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Written By: - Date published: 1:39 pm, May 18th, 2012 - 105 comments
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Underneath the ‘common-sense’ exterior, and all that hair, Peter Dunne is an angry man. He lashed out that those who pointed out he’s voting for asset sales he never told his electorate he would support. He screamed at losing TVNZ7 – Backbenches is his one chance to get on the telly. And he’s going feral on the Conservatives because they could usurp him.

Dunne knows his only route to continued relevancy is to hope that National gets back in and he can continue to be a limpid on their side. But a new, larger limpid could take his place. What then for Dunne?

And, Dunne knows there’s a lot of cross-over with his policies and the Conservatives. Indeed, its Christian base was once part of United Future and ex-UF MP Gordon Copeland was on the Conservatives’ list. With a thin majority, Dunne knows he could easily be unseated if the Conservatives take even only a few hundred votes from him in Ohariu.

No wonder Dunne’s blood pressure is up. His little micro-niche in the political ecological is under threat.

Oh, and if you think Dunne’s angry now, just wait until Operation Ohariu.

105 comments on “Dunne angry”

  1. who pointed out he’s voting for asset sales he never told his electorate he would support.

    I’m calling bullshit on that, it’s been shown many times that Dunne’s (and UF’s) position was clear to anyone who cared to take any notice prior to the election.

    Repeating this accusation is either blatant ignorance, or…

    It’s not Dunne who’s angry, it’s a handful of unionists who keep trying to overturn the election result because they failed in November.

    [three choices. Present evidence Dunne explicitly said he would support the partial sale of the energy companies and air nz, withdraw your comment, or face a three month ban. You know perfectly well the UF strategy was to never explicitly endorse any sales but, rather, to rule out sales that aren't on the table, thereby misleading the public on your position on the actual asset sales. You did it yourself here. If Dunne accidentally revealed the truth even once I didn't see it and nor did anyone in Ohariu. Eddie]

    • I don’t know if Dunne explicity said that in your words, but it was obvious from website statements, election television advertising, election flyers (distributed throught Ohariu) and TV appearances that
      – Dunne/UF have for many years favoured the mixed ownership model (as far back as 2005)
      – Dunne/UF acknowldged the right of the major coalition partner to progress their major election policy
      – Dunne/UF would not oppose National’s asset sales policy but would insist on limits to Nationals proposals

      I don’t think there was any doubt about the Dunne/UF position prior to the election, I don’t recall their being any doubt raised. I’m sure I can find plenty of comments on The Standard suggesting UF was virtually a part of National and would do whatever they wanted. I still hear that regularly.

      So I think claiming Dunne “never told his electorate” is disingenuous. There may or may not be proof of him using your particular words but the Dunne/UF position should have “clear to anyone”.

      http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/asset-sales-1/
      http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/unitedfuture-on-asset-sales/
      http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/four-key-election-issues-animated-video-1/

      One simple question for you Zetetic – what did you think the Dunne/UF position on asset sales was prior to the election?

      • Pete George 1.1.1

        By: Zetetic – Date published: 9:00 am, November 25th, 2011

        …and National is on a razor edge, with a 2 seat majority but the rest of Parliament opposing asset sales if ACT and Dunne lose, or on Dunne.

        http://thestandard.org.nz/nats-resort-to-robo-calling/

        Did you have any doubt about Dunne’s position when you wrote that?

      • Pete George 1.1.2

        Written By: Eddie – Date published: 1:23 pm, November 12th, 2011

        This is high stakes stuff. If ACT goes and Dunne loses too, as looks likely, National will be bereft of natural allies. And National’s support is tracking down to the point where it can’t govern alone. The Banks endorsement should only make that more likely.

        What happens in this scenario? There would be no parties that would support its asset sales policy through Parliament, except perhaps the Maori Party

        http://thestandard.org.nz/a-cold-cup-of-tea/

        And Eddie, what did you think the Dunne/UF position was then?

        • dd 1.1.2.1

          This is classic. This article is blatantly trolling pete george and then he is the first to bite. Classic.

          Anyway, entirely agree with article.

        • SukieDamson 1.1.2.2

          Problem solved, create a daily post with some mild criticism on or about the angry budgie or United Hirsuit & PG tailspins into thread with himself.

        • Eddie 1.1.2.3

          I told you to show Dunne explicitly said he would support asset sales. You have failed.

          Your links do not show Dunne saying he would support National’s asset sales. Some mention asset sales that he wouldn’t support selling, but none that he would vote for. Indeed, the comments you link to are exactly the underhand muddying of the waters I mentioned above.

          Allegations by Dunne’s critics that he would support asset sales are not Dunne explicitly supporting asset sales.

          See you in three months.

          • Pete George 1.1.2.3.1

            This is pathetic, and I’m sure you know it.

          • Pete George 1.1.2.3.2

            The Dominion Post:
            To Peter Dunne, from Joe Brown: Will you say no to all state asset sales like Labour and Charles Chauvel have this year?

            Dunne Peter:
            In principle, UnitedFuture does not advocate selling state assets, but in the event National putst up its mixed ownership model for the electricity companies and Air New Zealand we would be prepared to support that, provided the maximum was 49%, with a cap of 15% on any indivudual’s holdings. We would never support the sale of Kiwibank, Radio New Zealand or control of water assets.

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/election-2011/5927291/Live-Chat-Ohariu-electorate-political-candidates

            There’s the specific proof you asked for.

            Will the original claim be withdrawn by Zetetic? The requirements for proof should be evenly applied.

            • Te Reo Putake 1.1.2.3.2.1

              Nope. In fact that quote destroys your argument, Pete. Dunne says UF are opposed to asset sales, but would consider qualified support of National’s program. Isn’t it time you went away?

              • The original claim:
                “he’s voting for asset sales he never told his electorate he would support”

                The demand:
                “Present evidence Dunne explicitly said he would support the partial sale of the energy companies and air nz”

                What Dunne publicly said:
                “in the event National puts up its mixed ownership model for the electricity companies and Air New Zealand we would be prepared to support that”

                Can’t get much clearer than that.

          • Pete George 1.1.2.3.3

            People’s Power Ohariu acknowledge Dunne campaigning on accepting asset sales:

            “A lot of voters have told us since the election they believed he was opposed to state assets, although during the election campaign he did say provided there were particular safeguards he would support the sale of state assets, so there appeared to be a transition in his position coming up to the election,” says John Maynard, spokesman for People’s Power Ohariu

            http://www.3news.co.nz/Ohariu-concerned-about-Peter-Dunnes-stance-on-asset-sales/tabid/1607/articleID/251883/Default.aspx

            • Hulun Phallis 1.1.2.3.3.1

              Well done Pete George. Shooting fish in the barrel.

              Take it, Eddie. Take it.

        • Dr Terry 1.1.2.4

          OK Pete, many of us are inclined to “protest too loudly” our case, but where you tend to fall down, in my opinion, is through a determination to have the last word (words!). I like the people of Ohariu, having got to know a number of them, and I have nothing against the UF Party as such. I can only confess that I do have a few problems with Mr Dunne in certain situations. I am, nevertheless, sorry for him inasmuch as he appears to take criticism too personally and becomes “angry” as a result. This is very hard for a politician of any brand. Presently, concerning asset sales, he holds the “balance of power” as it were, a huge responsibility which I do not envy him!

          • Pete George 1.1.2.4.1

            In this case Dr Terry I was proving what I was asked to prove, under an over-reactive abuse of power threat of banning.

            I don’t think Mr Dunne is angry, despite having to put up with decades of abuse and criticism, much of it unwarranted, and some of it blatant misinformation to try and pressure him. That dishonest approach can backfire, can’t it. Who was angry here and threatened to ban for having an error pointed out?

            • DJL 1.1.2.4.1.1

              So hes going to sell the power companys because, how dare we critisize (SP, dont care) the great Pete Dunne. That will show us eh Pete.

              • logie97

                Is Pete George the only advocate for UF. I cannot recall anyone else commenting here on TheStandard in support of Dunne and UF, let alone declaring him/herself as a party member/parliamentary candidate. Just wondering if there are any others out there who may be able to help/carry some of the two Peters’ burdens.

                • felix

                  There’s a certain Monique someone-or-other as well. Nasty piece of work.

                • A one MP party, not a bad average here on a Labour orientated website. Are there 34 Labourites cheering Shearer on? Ah, I probably support Shearer here more than just all of them.

                  • felix

                    Perhaps you’d find more support for him on Red Alert, being a Labour oriented website.

                    • Are you claiming the Eddie and Zetetic, who this is all about, are not Labour orientated?

                      Haven’t you said you’re Green orientated felix? Is that why you’re helping spin this out?

                    • felix

                      I have no idea what their affiliations are. I doubt Zet has much time for Labour, but that’s just my impression based on not much.

                      I’m not currently a member of any party and I’ve never spoken on behalf of any party.

            • North 1.1.2.4.1.2

              Dunne would put up with anything to keep his arse in a fat salary. Serving successive different husbands. He shows the worst of MMP while being the most favoured beneficiary of it. Outrageous really and hardly a performance most can respect at all.

      • Deano 1.1.3

        none of those links say that UF would vote for National’s proposed asset sales. All they say is what UF wouldn’t support selling.

        Looks like we’ll be seeing you in 3 months.

      • Georgecom 1.1.4

        Pete

        As a suggestion, why don’t you help Peter Dunne make his position crystal clear about assets sales so there is no room or ambiguity?

        For example, http://www.labour.org.nz/operation-ohariu

        Get yourself out there helping to collect 24,000 signatures in Dunnes electorate and put him under immense pressure. That’ll help sharpen him up.

    • Te Reo Putake 1.2

      Nope, Pete. The challenge was to “Present evidence Dunne explicitly said he would support the partial sale of the energy companies and air nz”, not to find examples of Standard authors talking about United Future.
       
      Can we have the examples of Dunne explicitly supporting the sales please? I’m only asking ‘coz I don’t want to see you get banned because you didn’t understand the question. I want to see you get banned because you can’t find evidence of Dunne being honest about asset sales, ho ho.

      • Pete George 1.2.1

        I never claimed that so have no need to prove it.

        I claimed that Dunne’s position was clear before the election, have shown multiple sources supporting that, and have found that Eddie and Zetetic seem to have thought it was clear too.

        • McFlock 1.2.1.1

          When one gives conflicting messages one isn’t being “clear” simply because everyone should have known one was lying. Being “clear” means being explicit, not a worm who says what they think people want to hear.

        • tc 1.2.1.2

          EVIDENCE petey, you’re sounding like Lionel Hutz off the simpsons, hearsay, what you say and conjecture aren’t EVIDENCE.

          I couldn’t give a toss how big a workload he’s got, more diversionary whining PG.

    • This is Dunne’s own words on it:

      the position was very clear before the election and anyone who attended of the public meetings in Ohariu before the election would have me state it, over and over again.

      There could hardly have been any doubt, even the so-called peoples select committee now acknowledge my position was clear pre-election – they just wish me to change it.

      So I think there’s now a responsibility to refute that, otherwise “for asset sales he never told his electorate he would support” is an incorrect assertion as I said.

      • felix 1.3.1

        Oh, well if Dunne says he said it then it must be true.

        Found any links to him actually saying it? Or are we just going to go by what he said he said?

        • Pete George 1.3.1.1

          Felix, it’s a lot better than no evidence to back accusations against him, isn’t it? or does that sort of thing not matter to you.

          I can understand the usual nonces jumping on the bandwagon without any wheels, but this is as bad I’ve seen here in ludicrous attacks and squirming avoidance of fronting up to being called on bullshit.

          [Pete, congrats on tracking down the one time Dunne's strategy slipped and he admitted he would support National's asset sales. It took you along time and no-one else had been able to find such a quote. So, congratulations, you've proved that Dunne accidentally told the truth once in a forum that no-one noticed. Ban rescinded. Eddie]

          • felix 1.3.1.1.1

            Sure Pete.

            Have I ever told you about the time I said I was awesome, which proves I am?

          • Pete George 1.3.1.1.2

            [Eddie] – if you knew before the election what Dunne’s position on asset sales was why have you, up until yesterday, been promoting information to the contrary?

            You obviously knew I was right, and still threatened me with a ban.

            • Pascal's bookie 1.3.1.1.2.1

              Probably just figured Dunne would act like a rat bastard Pete.

              Way I remember Dunne campaigning wa sthat he would be acting as a brake on National party right wing policy. That’s the way he framed himself, even in his 1 assett sales policy statement that you found. Big deal, right, gonna hold national firmly to umm, their own stated policy.

              But can you name one thing that the Nats would have done that Dunne has stopped them from doing? One policy that he has moderated? He can’t, or won’t. So good luck.

              And one more thing, pretty sure you used to be quite big on the idea that mps should listen to their electorate, and that party policy and whipping should actually pay second fiddle to electorate desires in an electorate mps actions. Do you still believe that?

              • Probably just figured Dunne would act like a rat bastard Pete.

                Dunne has acted with far more integrity on asset sales – pre and post election – than Eddie.

                And one more thing, pretty sure you used to be quite big on the idea that mps should listen to their electorate, and that party policy and whipping should actually pay second fiddle to electorate desires in an electorate mps actions. Do you still believe that?

                I have championed MPs listening to their electorates more and am still actively involved in facilitating and promoting that. But I wouldn’t put whipping at second fiddle, there’s a place for supporting both party policies and electorate interests, where appropriate. An MP conscience position also has it’s place.

                I think if a conscience or party position/vote clashes with electorate interests an MP has an obligation to clearly explain why, and can be judged on that.

                Maybe you are angling towards Dunne should be listening to his electiorate. He’s at least as in touch with his electorate as most MPs, he was re-elected and when you combine his and National’s vote he has a reasonable mandate for his position (that was clear before the election).

                Ohariu People’s Power is a small group from both inside and beyond Ohariu. Yes, they should be listened to like anyone else, but they are nowhere near a majority. They are in fact looking more like an activist arm of the Labour Party. Charles in charge?

            • Eddie 1.3.1.1.2.2

              Did Dunne openly say he would support national;s asset sales? Once. In one online forum.

              The fact that I knew Dunne was being a duplicitous son of a bitch in avoiding (save once) giving an express opinion on National’s asset sales programme does not mitigate the fact he was refusing to be open about it.

              You know this, Pete. You ran the UF line and repeatedly refused to express support National’s asset sales programme on this site. I knew what you were doing but that doesn’t change the fact you and your hair cult were refusing to be up front with the people whose votes you were seeking.

              • Did Dunne openly say he would support national;s asset sales? Once. In one online forum.

                How many times do you want me to prove Dunne said it openly?

                From what I saw everyone in UF was clear on the party position on asset sales, some were not in favour and said that.

                You ran the UF line and repeatedly refused to express support National’s asset sales programme on this site.

                Your turn to front up with some proof. Or keep digging – a hole.

                • felix

                  Just for clarification: Are you asking Eddie to prove that you didn’t do something?

                  How? Surely you’d have to show he’s wrong by proving you did it.

                  • That’s what Eddie asked me to do, prove Dunne never said something during the election campaign on the threat of a ban.

                    But in this case “repeatedly refused to express support National’s asset sales programme on this site”.

                    Just a couple of instances of proof of “refusing to express support” would do. As you may infer, absence of expression is not a refusal.

                    In fact I campaigned in Dunedin on allowing National’s sales programme but ensuring limitations. I don’t know if I could prove that, but I’m sure I could find people who would corroborate it.

                    This is all just a nonsense attempt at attacking Dunne (and me) – for which I suggest there is no gain anyway. And, just hypothetically, if someone was running campaigns to try and discredit policiticians by using deliberate misinformation, and were paid by the public purse, I’d be a tad disappointed.

                    As I would expect David Shearer to be disappointed too, he seems like a guy you can take at his word and would oppose Dishonest Politics.

                    • felix

                      “That’s what Eddie asked me to do, prove Dunne never said something during the election campaign on the threat of a ban.”

                      Eh? That’s exactly the opposite of what Eddie asked for. You were supposed to be finding evidence of Dunne explicitly stating something, not never saying it.

                      Exactly the opposite, Pete. Is that why it took you so long to find? ;)

                      Anyway do I see what you mean now. Eddie ought to be able to show examples of where you were asked about your position on asset sales and you avoid the question, and since he said “repeatedly” there should really be more than one example of avoidance. Furry muff. I reckon it’d be easy enough to find seeing as how avoiding questions is sort of your hobby, but we’ll see.

                      ps what do you mean about the public purse?

      • Te Reo Putake 1.3.2

        That’s a quote from Dunne, post election. What counts is a quote from Dunne, pre-election. An explicit endorsement. Can’t be too hard to find, surely?

        • Eddie 1.3.2.1

          It wouldn’t be at all hard to find if Dunne was telling the truth when he said “my position was clear pre-election”.

          Yet no-one can find him ever saying he would support National’s asset sales or wouldn’t.

          • Pete George 1.3.2.1.1

            Just because you can’t produce anything saying one thing, doesn’t make it honest to say the opposite – with no evidence.

          • insider 1.3.2.1.2

            I found two very clear examples in only a few minutes. Maybe you didn’t want to find any…

  2. Treetop 2

    Dunne is frustrated alright, he knows that the Conservatives will be relevant at the next election and it will be bye bye United Future.

    When the changes to TVNZ 7 were announced, I heard such anger in Dunne’s voice when he was interviewed on Newstalk zb. At the time I thought, if only you could be as concerned over the sale of state assets, then you may gain some respect and votes.

    • Dunne has been putting his political career and his party on the line since last century, while other parties have come and gone. It’s impossible to know the lie of the land in Ohariu for another couple of years, so I doubt he’ll be losing sleep over a Clayton’s Christian Conservative Party from Auckland.

      Funny, Dunne get’s accused of saying and doing nothing (he’s got a bigger workload than most MPs) and then he gets accused of speaking up on something.

      The knockers are acting like tits again.

      • Treetop 2.1.1

        “The knockers are acting like tits again.”

        Dunne needs to grow some balls when it comes to stopping the sale of state assets. There is no point in being ambitious unless you will succeed at the task. Being upset and crying about TVNZ 7 is only a million dollars.

        How much worse off is the country going to be when energy assets are sold off?

        Colin Graig actually listens to how people feel about the sale of money making state assets and the increased power bills which low income people will not be able to afford.

      • dunne has been to more parties than paris hilton, and has flip-flopped his way through his entire political career. his principles have always been up for grabs, and while their are many in parliament who deserve to be booted out, he especially brings the place into disrepute. does anybody actually know what he believes in(apart from us paying for his lifetime pension )? a stand against selling out OUR energy companies will be his last chance at getting any respect from the electorate, its either that or being lumped in with such reviled ex-politicians as max bradford (seen him lately?)

  3. fatty 3

    Gotta give Peter Dunne credit…he is a pathetic excuse for a person, completely irrelevant and useless, but he has positioned himself perfectly within the MMP framework. He is placed in the middle and can side with either team.
    National’s shift to the right might open up new possibilities for United Future at the next election…a middle of the road conservatism may reemerge as National continue down an unethical path, and since the Conservatives seem too out of touch with our hegemonic modern-day liberalism – will we see the resurrection of United Future?
    Or, as Labour continue to slide to the right, United Future may remain a thing of the past, but Peter Dunne would fit in nicely with the new Labour policies, if he remains an elected MP, and if Labour can gain some votes.
    I see the next election going one of those two ways…unfortunately Dunne will be difficult to get rid of.
    Unless Ohariu repent from their sins and change their evil ways.

  4. Adrian 4

    The Conservatives aren’t a threat, except to themselves. They have 2 years to throw up a few kiddie-fiddlers and assorted other nutcases.

  5. Te Reo Putake 5

    Limpet, Zet. Limpid means clear eyed, which I’m sure Dunne is regarding his parliamentary future. Or lack of future, as seems more likely.
     
    By the way, I think the relationship between UF and National is not dissimilar to that of the Oxpecker and the Zebra. A bunch of arse.

  6. Limpid?
    Noooooooooooo!
    Limpet.
    Dunne’s a limpet
    Leech would have done. Remora. Lamprey. Tapeworm even.
    Not limpid though.
    Is that clear?

  7. the sprout 7

    He isn’t called Angry Budgey for nothing

  8. Pascal's bookie 8

    He is angry though.

    Here’s some of the stuff he’s tweeted over the last wee while.

    I’ll take out the boring ‘I opened a thing at a meeting’ crap, and replies to people.

    Right then, a straight down the line list of things Dunne has tweeted:

    “Must only say nice things on Twitter, otherwise Andrea Vance thinks I am curmudgeonly and grumpy – virtues I surely could never be accusd of”

    “t would be great to have a day where the Greens were not whining or grizzling – large herds of pigs would be flying around though.”

    “How much longer do we have to endure Wendy’s vacuity and Jim’s idiocy on TVNZ News?”

    “National will destroy itself if it hitches up to the Conservatives – these people are seriously extreme and nutty”

    “Gloom from the Club of Rome http://t.co/BnU2rzJj

    “The Greens are from a planet a long way from here if Holly Walker’s views on Child Support really reflect what they think”

    “IRD website closedown today due to incorrect system setting – no more, no less, but serious impacts for those affected for which I am sorry”

    “Hikoi on asset sales marches to Parliament on a day when it is not sitting – says a lot about the brains behind them.”

    “Half those running People’s Power Ohariu admit to being Green Party members or candidates – says it all really”

    “The Ohariu people’s select committee on asset sales is a joke – see my comments on my Facebook page about how pathetic and inept they are”

    “GWRC – how difficult is it to make sure your buses are not too big for the roads they are using? Your buses are too big for some roads”

    “Wellington bus drivers – you have to stick to your side of the road and give way to oncoming traffic just like the rest of us”

    “To who those who think they know best – it’s normally prudent to see what a deal actually involves before rushing to judgement against it.”

    “No Green/Nat deal: Greens’ bottom line – our way, or the highway. Cannot run a government like that. Labour beware of these friends.”

    https://twitter.com/#!/PeterDunneMP

    It just goes on and on.

    And his replies to people, particularly media, are often quite snipey too. I’m surprised Pete defends him. He’s way more mean on twitter than Mallard, or Tau, who can both engage in a bit of banter and take a joke and make some too.

  9. Georgecom 9

    Operation Ohariu:

    http://www.labour.org.nz/operation-ohariu

    If I lived in Wellington I think I’d be there with bells on. Stirring up a load of opposition in Dunnes nest sounds great.

  10. Dunne will become the co leader of the Conservatives, and with their backing bring 5 more seats = National gets back in.
    It isn’t over.

  11. captain hook 11

    msn news tonight. Labour could lead in the latest Roy Morgan poll.
    good show.
    Dunne should push off now and let his haircut collect the pension.
    he’s been around for far too long without really doing anything.

  12. red blooded 12

    Dunne is a vacuous, self-important, self-interested muppet. I hope he’s not in the next parliament. Having said that, I have to say that I knew and I believe his voters knew before the last election that he was going to vote for asset sales. There’s no way that he would take a principled stand – especially if it threatened his cosy situation as John Key’s back-up buddy. He always commented in such a way as to express mild distaste for asset sales but to try to position himself as the person who was in a position to insist on limits.

    Anyway, while Dunne is a condescending drone, I think the Conservatives are a bigger worry. They present as less zany than ACT (who must, surely, be history next time), but their beliefs are pretty extreme and they have plenty of money.

    • David C 12.1

      and the Conservatives will happily take tens of thousands of God fearing Polynesian votes away from Labours inner city vote base.

  13. captain hook 13

    well I guess if they have plenty of money then its a done deal.
    christian sleazeballs go hard.

  14. burt 14

    It seems reasonable clear what Dunne’s position was pre election.

    Roflcopter on KiwiBlog
    United Future’s position on asset sales (TV advert), in the lead up to the election.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Ru_miEx-c

    Relevant part starts at 1min 30 sec in.

    • felix 14.1

      I can’t watch videos at the moment due to incompetence.

      Can you please quote the relevant section for me?

      • Roflcopter 14.1.1

        Relevant section:

        “Asset sales are on National’s agenda, but they cannot be given a blank cheque. Part of United Future’s role as a support partner is to keep the government on a centre path. No extremes.

        So we say there should be three assets that should never be sold; Kiwibank, Radio New Zealand, and our water. And that we also need to keep New Zealand control of all our other assets.”

        • felix 14.1.1.1

          Where’s the bit where he says UF would vote to sell assets?

          • Pete George 14.1.1.1.1

            You’re taking one thing in isolation. Anyone with half a clue watching that televised and Youtubed advertisement could deduce that UF would support but restrict National on asset sales.

            When you put that alongside all the other things – there are many explicit and implicit examples, plus you can see that it’s clear people like Zetetic and Eddie both thought UF would allow National to follow through with their number one election policy, then you would have to be a fanatic deliberately ignoring the whole set of evidence to nitpick on small – but not contradictory – aspects and argue just for the sake of arguing rather than admit the obvious.

            There’s a lot of evidence supporting a consistent pre and post election UF/Dunne position on asset sales. It is worded in various ways in different places, but it all supports one conclusion.

            Now I think to keep arguing against this you need to come up with evidence – real evidence, not “but he didn’t say it completely every time he opened his mouth” nonsense – to the contrary, otherwise you don’t have an argument at all.

            Thanks for continuing to reinforce this point.

            • felix 14.1.1.1.1.1

              Pete, I’m not looking at it in isolation. burt presented 30 seconds of a video as evidence that UF had a clear message on asset sales, so I’m responding to that.

              The only clear message in the video is that UF will definitely not support selling water, rnz, or kiwibank, and would like to keep all other state assets in nz control.

              Now I know as well as you that what that means is ‘sell the assets’, but not because he’s saying it. He isn’t, not out loud. You have to look for the subtext and the context and make quite a few assumptions to get from “keep New Zealand control of all our other assets” to “support national in selling the assets”.

              I can do it, but like I said, only by making a few assumptions and knowing a bit about the issues.

              A more casual observer could easily take the message as ‘UF wants to keep New Zealand control of all our other assets’. And that doesn’t require any assumptions at all, because it’s pretty much word for word what he actually says.

              It’s not much of a leap to take that as a pro-asset message, and that assumption is reinforced by context of “definitely not selling kiwibank” etc. An incorrect leap, but a perfectly understandable one.

              My most charitable interpretation is that it’s an ambiguous message which could be read either way depending what the viewer wants to hear and depending how informed they are.

            • felix 14.1.1.1.1.2

              Also:

              1) “support but restrict”. Surely you jest. There are absolutely no restrictions placed on National’s plans by UF policy. The water, bank and radio were never on the block. He may as well have said ‘I won’t let National sell your bike’.

              In fact UF proposed allowing 15% ownership by any one entity – 5% more than National!

              2) “but he didn’t say it completely every time he opened his mouth”

              I think what people are taking issue with is that he didn’t say it completely ever.

              Be honest Pete, if UF really wanted people to know that they were in favour of selling assets, they’d have been saying “If elected we will sell [part/all/whatever] of [x]“.

              Like National did.

              • felix

                Sorry, I take back the word “ever”. He did say it completely that one time that you referred to earlier.

                • That’s the one time on record. Dunne also is on record saying he repeated it often during the campaign. People Power Ohariu have conceded that. The evidence keeps mounting up – on one side of the argument.

                  And no evidence on the other side of the argument. Still.

                  • felix

                    One time on record, yes. What evidence are you talking about now? Is someone supposed to be finding something for you?

                    If so, what?

                    • - One time on record – with the very specific words that for some odd reason seem to be important to some people (and weren’t important in the initial accusation.
                      – Corroborated by Dunne and a number of others, including me.
                      – Corroborated by other evidence indicating the same thing.

                      No evidence of Dunne or anyone from UF saying UF didn’t support National’s right to implement their key policy. That’s the evidence you need to have any credibility.

                      And remember, Eddie claimed here that “You ran the UF line and repeatedly refused to express support National’s asset sales programme on this site”.

                      Evidence from Eddie – nil.

                      Multiple accusations made with no evidence. And proof that Eddie knew before the election what the UF position was. A very poor look.

                      Keep emphasising it if you like.

                    • felix

                      “No evidence of Dunne or anyone from UF saying UF didn’t support National’s right to implement their key policy. That’s the evidence you need to have any credibility.”

                      Evidence of something not happening? Don’t think so Pete. But that’s not my fight and anyway, I backed you earlier on what you said Eddie needed to do. Perhaps you missed it, there are a lot of discussions going on.

                      Did you read my comment above regarding the tv ad? Do you disagree with my analysis and if so, how?

          • David C 14.1.1.1.2

            imdeed felix, where is the quote saying Dunne would not support partial sales?

            seems eddie and zetetic owe the young Mr PG some time on bended knee for this load of bullshit.

            • felix 14.1.1.1.2.1

              You’re a very strange man and your question makes no sense. Please do not waste my time with such piffle.

              • OneTrack

                Especially when you are on the losing end of the argument. Why can’t you just harden up and admit UF said, before the election, they would support National on their partial asset sale plan. I think PG has already provided more than enough evidence of this.

                • felix

                  You’re talking to the wrong person, fool. I’m not making that argument.

      • burt 14.1.2

        felix

        I would have probably have worked out better for you if you had stuck with “I can’t watch videos at the moment due to incompetence.”

        • felix 14.1.2.1

          The video says exactly what I said it says, nothing more and nothing less. It contains no explicit statements of intent other than what I described above.

          If you think there are further explicit statements of intent in that video, quote them.

  15. RedBaron 15

    Has the Ohariu electorate asked Katrina Shanks to vote against the asset sales? Would be a nice point of difference between her and Dunne. If she did, is her electorate committee strong enough to prevent her being replaced as the electorate candidate next time around?

  16. Nick 16

    I emailed Dunne to ask him, politely and clearly, what the difference was in supporting partial sales of essential infrastructure such as energy companies and ruling out any partial sale of essential services such as water.

    Despite him being my electorate MP and me waiting patiently a couple of months for a reply I’ve heard nothing. He replied to my previous email asking why he thought he had a mandate for asset sales and he said because he supports National and National wants to sell stuff. This was immediately after the election and before any real pressure started coming on him as National’s ‘enabler’.

    There was nothing provocative, biased or offensive in what I asked this time round, I just wanted a clear answer as to why he had chosen some assets as sacrosanct and not others. For the record I only care about sales of shares in Air New Zealand as they required a bailout last time they were privitised and I would hate to see the waste of money and productivity occur again. I am much more passionate about keeping essential infrastructure in public hands, electricity and water are two parts of the same equation providing social and economic benefits to all New Zealanders and there are benefits above and beyond dividends.

    By essentially ignoring one of his constuents asking a sensible and polite question about an incredibly important policy he’s showing to me that, despite being in parliament solely to represent the people of Ohairu he is much more concerned about doing what he his told by National.

    I don’t care how busy he is, or how much flak he is getting over this particular policy, he is an electorate MP, leader of a party caucus of one and minister of hairdos and tax-collecting. He only has the job he has because of my misguided fellow voters and should have our interests first and foremost. He sends me plenty of glossy newletters saying how he’s here to support me but can’t even answer a simple question.

    He seems to be an out of touch, National Party lacky without firm principles. ACT got considerably more concessions out of National than UF, in fact the Maori party probably did as well and don’t have to support this ridiculous and damamging asset sales policy. Maybe I’ll have to go down and see him in person and talk some sense into him…

    You think HE’s angry? Rant over.

    • Nick – I’ve sent quite few emails to MPs, and including emails to all MPs, and most of them don’t reply most of the time. Some of them send autoresponses saying things like “I get a lot of email but will try to respond” sort of things.

      Most times I’ve emailed MPs from my own elecorate and city they don’t respond.

      I’m not excusing Dunne for not replying to your email, it’s up to him when he replies and when he doesn’t – he usually but not always replies to me when I (occasionally) email him – but the reality is, it’s common not to get replies from MPs, especially when there is nothing they can do about what you have said.

      • Kevin Welsh 16.1.1

        Well Pete, if your emails to MP’s are anything like your posts on here; a whole bunch of rhetorical questions (I am assuming they are rhetorical as you never seem to provide answers to them yourself), then I am not surprised they do not respond.

        Maybe the word has got around and there is a Sir Humphrey with a rather large round filing cabinet giving them due consideration…

        • Pete George 16.1.1.1

          I get some very good replies too. A very good one from Holly Walker on her lobbying bill this week, good clarification, I’ll blog on that soon.

          Her bill may affect people paid to do a job that includes trying to influence MPs and policy, like asset sale lobbying. That may cover people like Zetetic and Eddie, depending on their employment situations. Probably not me though, I’m not paid to do any of my political lobbying, it’s an expense for me.

      • Nick 16.1.2

        I admit that of all the emails I’ve sent to MPs in the past 5 years I don’t get replies from all of them, but I’d say most DO reply. Of course if I’m emailling something slightly sarcastic to the MP representing Clutha-Southland I don’t really expect a response anyway.

        If I email a genuine question to the MP representing my area in parliament I don’t think its too much of a stretch to expect a reply. In this case there IS something he can do about what I’ve said, I just wanted to know why electricity is fair game for partial privitisation and water isn’t. I don’t understand why that line in the sand is the one the Dunne / UF has chosen.

        I’m not actually holding my breath for a reply, I’ll just get on supporting petitions and other action so that Dunne is clear on what his constiuents feel on the issue and what a slim majority there is holding this policy together.

        BTW, David Garret replied to me when I emailled him in the middle of his scandal told him what hypocrite he was as a law and order spokesman – I thought he was and he was surprisingly up front and honest actually, pains me to say it.

        • Pete George 16.1.2.1

          I’m not surprised about David Garrett, he is often on Kiwiblog and is open and honest there. I just disagreed with him an hour ago, he’ll probably come back with a counter argument but without personal attack, he’s only done that once to me and later apologised.

          • OneTrack 16.1.2.1.1

            Do right-wingers do personal attacks PG?

          • fatty 16.1.2.1.2

            “I’m not surprised about David Garrett, he is often on Kiwiblog and is open and honest there. I just disagreed with him an hour ago, he’ll probably come back with a counter argument but without personal attack, he’s only done that once to me and later apologised.”

            Does a personal attack on you count as a personal attack?…That’s like getting labelled anti-Semitic for slagging off Ariel Sharon

  17. Johnm 17

    You’ll never receive a reply Nick!

    • Nick 17.1

      Yeah, I guess it is difficult to say why you would sell off some state assets (that happen to be the ones National wants to sell) and not others (ones that weren’t even up for debate in the first place). I still have hope, one day in the future he’ll figure it out and get back to me….

      Maybe.

      • Treetop 17.1.1

        Oh Nick, Dunne’s electorate constituents will get back to him next election day with their response to certain state assets being sold off.

  18. David C 18

    felix, mabe you were born a little slow, maybe dropped on your head, fetal alcoholc syndrome?, I will make allowances.

    Show me one quote from Dunne were he explictly says he will not support partial asset sales.

    Pretty simple in this day and age IF it exists huh?

    but its a big IF.

    PG has put up a lot to support the fact that the lefard fuckwits have been well and truley shownup on this.

    Own goal anyone?

    • felix 18.1

      Sure I will, just as soon as you show me one quote from me where I said he did.

      Eejit.

  19. captain hook 19

    David c you have got a problem yourself.
    Its not physical but I dont think a trick cyclist would have much trouble diagnosing you.
    treat yourself and find out.

  20. insider 20

    United Future would support a government with a “reasonable centrist path,” he said. That meant although he agreed to some assets being sold off, there were three absolute bottom lines Dunne would never agree to being sold. 10 october 2011

    http://www.interest.co.nz/news/56105/unitedfutures-peter-dunne-calls-debate-privatisation-limits-says-kiwibank-radio-nz-and-wa

  21. insider 21

    PETER Weve gotta get the language right here. This is not selling state assets. This is a proposal to sell shares of a minority nature in four energy companies and Air NZ. Provided New Zealand control is retained – the government will retain 51% – provided New Zealand control is retained in the shareholding and that no one can hold more than 15%-

    METIRIA You cannot guarantee that, Peter. You know that.

    PETER -and provided we never move to sell Kiwibank, Radio NZ or our water resources, we would be prepared to support that policy.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/transcript-multi-party-debate-part-two-4489736

    • Ah, but that’s only on national TV…

      Thanks Insider. More proof of the obvious. It seems ridiculous that this is in question now when it has always been clear. That’s why the motives of those raising it should be questioned. And they will be.

  22. It’s as obvious as dog nuts in the Supply and Confidence Agreement between UnitedFuture and National:

    * There will be no sale of any part of Kiwibank or Radio New Zealand.
    * Introduce statutory limits on the sale of public assets to no more than 49% of shareholding to private interests including limits on the extent of single entity ownership

    Also I can personally testify to the fact that he did tell his electorate the details of UF conditional support for State Asset Sales as above. This may have been discussed at the annual conference.

    I was regularly at the UnitedFuture Ohariu Electorate Committee meetings. None of the ham-fisted oiks jumping up and down and forming anti asset sales flame groups deigned to present at any of these well-publicised electorate committee meetings.

  23. chris73 23

    Hehehehe Pete George wins

  24. Shazzadude 24

    I just want to say that I found the attack on Pete disgusting-so disgusting, this could’ve almost been a kiwiblog comments section.

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  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
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    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • No time for self-pity
    After 23 meetings across the largest non-Maori electorate in the country – almost all of which went fantastically, approx 4,500km on the odometer, positive MSM and social media coverage, and polling well, I admit my team and I headed to...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • The 30 second speech that could have saved the Moment of Truth
    As the dust settles and we struggle to understand what the bloody hell happened on Saturday, many point to Kim’s failure at the Moment of Truth to present his evidence. I think that Kim was poorly advised and that politics requires a...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Internet MANA and the 2014 election
    It was always going to be a hard task for Hone Harawira to hold onto his Te Tai Tokerau seat when the political establishment united in a coalition to defeat him and the chance for Internet MANA to bring more...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Unity in Action
    Yes the Left have taken a drubbing, but never mind, time to pick ourselves up off the floor, patch up our wound pride, dust ourselves off, cast around for our friends and allies, and re-enter the fray. Lots of work...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • A Fiji democratic mandate for the coup leader – what now for the media?
    Attorney-General Sayad-Khaiyum and Rear-Admiral (Ret) Voreqe Bainimarama’s Fiji First party is poised to lead the country in the next four years. Photo: Mads Anneberg, an AUT Pacific Media Centre student on internship in Suva with Repúblika Magazine and Pacific Scoop...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Why I voted Labour and why 2017 will be different
    As a 3nd and 5th generation Kiwi-Indian (depending on which side of the family we have to go with), my relationship with New Zealand is a special one. Like other New Zealanders who are not of the Caucasian variety, the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Humble Pie
    Oh. My. God. This was a heartbreaking nightmare. I was wrong, horribly, horribly, horribly wrong. I honestly believed that the resources, the media attention, the vile toxic politics exposed by Dirty Politics and the mass surveillance lies would have seen...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • LGNZ congratulates National
    LGNZ congratulates National Local Government New Zealand (LGNZ) congratulates re-elected Prime Minister John Key and the National led government on winning their third consecutive term following Saturday’s general election. LGNZ President Lawrence Yule acknowledges...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • The Letter – 22 September 2014
    John Key’s win is historic. In the history of MMP elections – worldwide – ever – no government has won an absolute majority. MMP was imposed on Germany to make sure that country never had another Hitler. It is designed...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election Coverage – None Better Than Trans Tasman
    To get a steer on what was going to happen in the election - away from the histrionics of the mainstream coverage - the best place to go was The Main Report Group’s weekly political report Trans Tasman....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Federated Farmers intemperate
    For the second time in a week Federated Farmers has made intemperate and provocative comments on environmental issues, says EDS....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • MP’s Stolen Items Recovered
    Following a complaint to Parliamentary Services today [ September 19 ], items which had been stolen from NZ First MP Andrew Williams’ Wellington parliamentary office have been recovered and returned....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election results bad news for those on benefits
    Beneficiary Advocate Kay Brereton says, “ The election result holds no good news for people on benefits, National campaigned successfully with their beneficiary bashing agenda, and will now believe their punitive treatment of beneficiaries has the support...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Opportunity to progress water infrastructure
    “National’s re-election is an opportunity to develop the infrastructure New Zealand needs to provide surety of water for agriculture, town drinking water supply, waterways, recreational use and to future proof the country from climate change,” says Andrew...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Wellington City joins the global call for 100% clean
    At 1:00 pm, residents and visitors of Wellington gathered at the summit of Mt Victoria to join the millions strong call for a 100% clean future....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Hikoi with us from Cape Reinga to Auckland Oil Conference!
    Monday 22 September 2014: Maori from different tribal areas along the western length of Northland are organising a hikoi starting on Saturday to a Government oil conference in Auckland to make sure that Norwegian oil giant Statoil gets the message:...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls
    Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls National re-elected to third term with record high vote as Labour slumps to worst result in over 90 years...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms
    An unprecedented increase in support for the third-term National Party, the best electoral performance since 1899, has delivered a clear mandate for reform of the Resource Management Act says Federated Farmers. “Vital reforms to the RMA have...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • New Zealand says no to Culture of Death
    Right to Life is pleased that the people of New Zealand have rejected a culture of death by refusing to elect a Labour/Green government that supported the decriminalisation of abortion....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Steven Joyce
    CORIN Steven Joyce if we could start with how things are going to look now with your support partners. Can you just run us through, National can technically govern alone on what you’ve got at the moment, do you think...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Kelvin Davis
    SUSAN Well earlier this morning, just before we came to air in fact, Corin spoke to Kelvin Davis, one of the big winners of the night, the new MP for Te Tai Tokerau....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – David Cunliffe
    CORIN Joining me now is Labour Leader, David Cunliffe. Good morning to you Mr Cunliffe. This is a tough result for Labour, how much personal responsibility do you take for this....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Grey Power congratulates Key
    Grey Power National President Terry King congratulated John Key for his party’s “resounding win “ in yesterday’s election and hoped that the new National Government would look hard at issues affecting the ever–growing number of older New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • EMA congratulates PM John Key and National
    The Employers and Manufacturers Association extend hearty congratulations to the re-election of Prime Minister John Key and National....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Helen Clark Receives Inaugural Women’s Health Rights Award
    Helen Clark was honoured as the first recipient of the Women’s Health Rights Award at the 121st Woman’s Suffrage event held in Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National deal with New Zealand First unlikely
    The National party is unlikely to offer a confidence and supply agreement to New Zealand First according to Dr Ryan Malone, Director Training and Research at Civicsquare....
    Scoop politics | 20-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
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    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
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    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
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    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
    Responding to the Fairfax article that taxpayers are extending another $103 million to keep Solid Energy afloat, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
    People across New Zealand continue to express their disgust at the downgrading of Invermay, says Dunedin North MP David Clark, as the Save Invermay petition he instigated earlier this year topped the 10,000 signature mark just days before the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
    Garth McVicar stated at a public meeting last week that he would fight to retain a 24/7 Police Station in Napier and no reduction in the number of police staff for the Hawkes Bay region, some said he was simply...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
    Internet MANA urges New Zealanders to use their party vote to confront corruption in any new government....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Election day is tomorrow – make sure you’re a part of it!
    Tomorrow, Saturday 20 September, is election day, and New Zealanders’ last chance to have a say on who leads the country for the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Is the Shape of our Government out of the hands of Voters?
    In the last stuff.co.nz / Ipsos Political Poll before Saturdays election, National is down 5.1% to 47.7% and Labour up 3.7% to 26.15%. These results are remarkably similar to the 2011 election where National received 47.3% of the vote and...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
    Internet MANA is drawing on the courage and integrity of New Zealand women on Suffrage Day – Friday, September, 19 – to encourage them to pay tribute to the spirit of their foremothers who gained women the vote....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
    Māori Television’s KOWHIRI 2014 – ELECTION SPECIAL kicks off at 7.00pm this Saturday with a five-hour broadcast focusing on the Māori electorates....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
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