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Written By: - Date published: 1:39 pm, May 18th, 2012 - 105 comments
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Underneath the ‘common-sense’ exterior, and all that hair, Peter Dunne is an angry man. He lashed out that those who pointed out he’s voting for asset sales he never told his electorate he would support. He screamed at losing TVNZ7 – Backbenches is his one chance to get on the telly. And he’s going feral on the Conservatives because they could usurp him.

Dunne knows his only route to continued relevancy is to hope that National gets back in and he can continue to be a limpid on their side. But a new, larger limpid could take his place. What then for Dunne?

And, Dunne knows there’s a lot of cross-over with his policies and the Conservatives. Indeed, its Christian base was once part of United Future and ex-UF MP Gordon Copeland was on the Conservatives’ list. With a thin majority, Dunne knows he could easily be unseated if the Conservatives take even only a few hundred votes from him in Ohariu.

No wonder Dunne’s blood pressure is up. His little micro-niche in the political ecological is under threat.

Oh, and if you think Dunne’s angry now, just wait until Operation Ohariu.

105 comments on “Dunne angry”

  1. who pointed out he’s voting for asset sales he never told his electorate he would support.

    I’m calling bullshit on that, it’s been shown many times that Dunne’s (and UF’s) position was clear to anyone who cared to take any notice prior to the election.

    Repeating this accusation is either blatant ignorance, or…

    It’s not Dunne who’s angry, it’s a handful of unionists who keep trying to overturn the election result because they failed in November.

    [three choices. Present evidence Dunne explicitly said he would support the partial sale of the energy companies and air nz, withdraw your comment, or face a three month ban. You know perfectly well the UF strategy was to never explicitly endorse any sales but, rather, to rule out sales that aren't on the table, thereby misleading the public on your position on the actual asset sales. You did it yourself here. If Dunne accidentally revealed the truth even once I didn't see it and nor did anyone in Ohariu. Eddie]

    • I don’t know if Dunne explicity said that in your words, but it was obvious from website statements, election television advertising, election flyers (distributed throught Ohariu) and TV appearances that
      – Dunne/UF have for many years favoured the mixed ownership model (as far back as 2005)
      – Dunne/UF acknowldged the right of the major coalition partner to progress their major election policy
      – Dunne/UF would not oppose National’s asset sales policy but would insist on limits to Nationals proposals

      I don’t think there was any doubt about the Dunne/UF position prior to the election, I don’t recall their being any doubt raised. I’m sure I can find plenty of comments on The Standard suggesting UF was virtually a part of National and would do whatever they wanted. I still hear that regularly.

      So I think claiming Dunne “never told his electorate” is disingenuous. There may or may not be proof of him using your particular words but the Dunne/UF position should have “clear to anyone”.

      http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/asset-sales-1/
      http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/unitedfuture-on-asset-sales/
      http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/four-key-election-issues-animated-video-1/

      One simple question for you Zetetic – what did you think the Dunne/UF position on asset sales was prior to the election?

      • Pete George 1.1.1

        By: Zetetic – Date published: 9:00 am, November 25th, 2011

        …and National is on a razor edge, with a 2 seat majority but the rest of Parliament opposing asset sales if ACT and Dunne lose, or on Dunne.

        http://thestandard.org.nz/nats-resort-to-robo-calling/

        Did you have any doubt about Dunne’s position when you wrote that?

      • Pete George 1.1.2

        Written By: Eddie – Date published: 1:23 pm, November 12th, 2011

        This is high stakes stuff. If ACT goes and Dunne loses too, as looks likely, National will be bereft of natural allies. And National’s support is tracking down to the point where it can’t govern alone. The Banks endorsement should only make that more likely.

        What happens in this scenario? There would be no parties that would support its asset sales policy through Parliament, except perhaps the Maori Party

        http://thestandard.org.nz/a-cold-cup-of-tea/

        And Eddie, what did you think the Dunne/UF position was then?

        • dd 1.1.2.1

          This is classic. This article is blatantly trolling pete george and then he is the first to bite. Classic.

          Anyway, entirely agree with article.

        • SukieDamson 1.1.2.2

          Problem solved, create a daily post with some mild criticism on or about the angry budgie or United Hirsuit & PG tailspins into thread with himself.

        • Eddie 1.1.2.3

          I told you to show Dunne explicitly said he would support asset sales. You have failed.

          Your links do not show Dunne saying he would support National’s asset sales. Some mention asset sales that he wouldn’t support selling, but none that he would vote for. Indeed, the comments you link to are exactly the underhand muddying of the waters I mentioned above.

          Allegations by Dunne’s critics that he would support asset sales are not Dunne explicitly supporting asset sales.

          See you in three months.

          • Pete George 1.1.2.3.1

            This is pathetic, and I’m sure you know it.

          • Pete George 1.1.2.3.2

            The Dominion Post:
            To Peter Dunne, from Joe Brown: Will you say no to all state asset sales like Labour and Charles Chauvel have this year?

            Dunne Peter:
            In principle, UnitedFuture does not advocate selling state assets, but in the event National putst up its mixed ownership model for the electricity companies and Air New Zealand we would be prepared to support that, provided the maximum was 49%, with a cap of 15% on any indivudual’s holdings. We would never support the sale of Kiwibank, Radio New Zealand or control of water assets.

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/election-2011/5927291/Live-Chat-Ohariu-electorate-political-candidates

            There’s the specific proof you asked for.

            Will the original claim be withdrawn by Zetetic? The requirements for proof should be evenly applied.

            • Te Reo Putake 1.1.2.3.2.1

              Nope. In fact that quote destroys your argument, Pete. Dunne says UF are opposed to asset sales, but would consider qualified support of National’s program. Isn’t it time you went away?

              • The original claim:
                “he’s voting for asset sales he never told his electorate he would support”

                The demand:
                “Present evidence Dunne explicitly said he would support the partial sale of the energy companies and air nz”

                What Dunne publicly said:
                “in the event National puts up its mixed ownership model for the electricity companies and Air New Zealand we would be prepared to support that”

                Can’t get much clearer than that.

          • Pete George 1.1.2.3.3

            People’s Power Ohariu acknowledge Dunne campaigning on accepting asset sales:

            “A lot of voters have told us since the election they believed he was opposed to state assets, although during the election campaign he did say provided there were particular safeguards he would support the sale of state assets, so there appeared to be a transition in his position coming up to the election,” says John Maynard, spokesman for People’s Power Ohariu

            http://www.3news.co.nz/Ohariu-concerned-about-Peter-Dunnes-stance-on-asset-sales/tabid/1607/articleID/251883/Default.aspx

            • Hulun Phallis 1.1.2.3.3.1

              Well done Pete George. Shooting fish in the barrel.

              Take it, Eddie. Take it.

        • Dr Terry 1.1.2.4

          OK Pete, many of us are inclined to “protest too loudly” our case, but where you tend to fall down, in my opinion, is through a determination to have the last word (words!). I like the people of Ohariu, having got to know a number of them, and I have nothing against the UF Party as such. I can only confess that I do have a few problems with Mr Dunne in certain situations. I am, nevertheless, sorry for him inasmuch as he appears to take criticism too personally and becomes “angry” as a result. This is very hard for a politician of any brand. Presently, concerning asset sales, he holds the “balance of power” as it were, a huge responsibility which I do not envy him!

          • Pete George 1.1.2.4.1

            In this case Dr Terry I was proving what I was asked to prove, under an over-reactive abuse of power threat of banning.

            I don’t think Mr Dunne is angry, despite having to put up with decades of abuse and criticism, much of it unwarranted, and some of it blatant misinformation to try and pressure him. That dishonest approach can backfire, can’t it. Who was angry here and threatened to ban for having an error pointed out?

            • DJL 1.1.2.4.1.1

              So hes going to sell the power companys because, how dare we critisize (SP, dont care) the great Pete Dunne. That will show us eh Pete.

              • logie97

                Is Pete George the only advocate for UF. I cannot recall anyone else commenting here on TheStandard in support of Dunne and UF, let alone declaring him/herself as a party member/parliamentary candidate. Just wondering if there are any others out there who may be able to help/carry some of the two Peters’ burdens.

                • felix

                  There’s a certain Monique someone-or-other as well. Nasty piece of work.

                • A one MP party, not a bad average here on a Labour orientated website. Are there 34 Labourites cheering Shearer on? Ah, I probably support Shearer here more than just all of them.

                  • felix

                    Perhaps you’d find more support for him on Red Alert, being a Labour oriented website.

                    • Are you claiming the Eddie and Zetetic, who this is all about, are not Labour orientated?

                      Haven’t you said you’re Green orientated felix? Is that why you’re helping spin this out?

                    • felix

                      I have no idea what their affiliations are. I doubt Zet has much time for Labour, but that’s just my impression based on not much.

                      I’m not currently a member of any party and I’ve never spoken on behalf of any party.

            • North 1.1.2.4.1.2

              Dunne would put up with anything to keep his arse in a fat salary. Serving successive different husbands. He shows the worst of MMP while being the most favoured beneficiary of it. Outrageous really and hardly a performance most can respect at all.

      • Deano 1.1.3

        none of those links say that UF would vote for National’s proposed asset sales. All they say is what UF wouldn’t support selling.

        Looks like we’ll be seeing you in 3 months.

      • Georgecom 1.1.4

        Pete

        As a suggestion, why don’t you help Peter Dunne make his position crystal clear about assets sales so there is no room or ambiguity?

        For example, http://www.labour.org.nz/operation-ohariu

        Get yourself out there helping to collect 24,000 signatures in Dunnes electorate and put him under immense pressure. That’ll help sharpen him up.

    • Te Reo Putake 1.2

      Nope, Pete. The challenge was to “Present evidence Dunne explicitly said he would support the partial sale of the energy companies and air nz”, not to find examples of Standard authors talking about United Future.
       
      Can we have the examples of Dunne explicitly supporting the sales please? I’m only asking ‘coz I don’t want to see you get banned because you didn’t understand the question. I want to see you get banned because you can’t find evidence of Dunne being honest about asset sales, ho ho.

      • Pete George 1.2.1

        I never claimed that so have no need to prove it.

        I claimed that Dunne’s position was clear before the election, have shown multiple sources supporting that, and have found that Eddie and Zetetic seem to have thought it was clear too.

        • McFlock 1.2.1.1

          When one gives conflicting messages one isn’t being “clear” simply because everyone should have known one was lying. Being “clear” means being explicit, not a worm who says what they think people want to hear.

        • tc 1.2.1.2

          EVIDENCE petey, you’re sounding like Lionel Hutz off the simpsons, hearsay, what you say and conjecture aren’t EVIDENCE.

          I couldn’t give a toss how big a workload he’s got, more diversionary whining PG.

    • This is Dunne’s own words on it:

      the position was very clear before the election and anyone who attended of the public meetings in Ohariu before the election would have me state it, over and over again.

      There could hardly have been any doubt, even the so-called peoples select committee now acknowledge my position was clear pre-election – they just wish me to change it.

      So I think there’s now a responsibility to refute that, otherwise “for asset sales he never told his electorate he would support” is an incorrect assertion as I said.

      • felix 1.3.1

        Oh, well if Dunne says he said it then it must be true.

        Found any links to him actually saying it? Or are we just going to go by what he said he said?

        • Pete George 1.3.1.1

          Felix, it’s a lot better than no evidence to back accusations against him, isn’t it? or does that sort of thing not matter to you.

          I can understand the usual nonces jumping on the bandwagon without any wheels, but this is as bad I’ve seen here in ludicrous attacks and squirming avoidance of fronting up to being called on bullshit.

          [Pete, congrats on tracking down the one time Dunne's strategy slipped and he admitted he would support National's asset sales. It took you along time and no-one else had been able to find such a quote. So, congratulations, you've proved that Dunne accidentally told the truth once in a forum that no-one noticed. Ban rescinded. Eddie]

          • felix 1.3.1.1.1

            Sure Pete.

            Have I ever told you about the time I said I was awesome, which proves I am?

          • Pete George 1.3.1.1.2

            [Eddie] – if you knew before the election what Dunne’s position on asset sales was why have you, up until yesterday, been promoting information to the contrary?

            You obviously knew I was right, and still threatened me with a ban.

            • Pascal's bookie 1.3.1.1.2.1

              Probably just figured Dunne would act like a rat bastard Pete.

              Way I remember Dunne campaigning wa sthat he would be acting as a brake on National party right wing policy. That’s the way he framed himself, even in his 1 assett sales policy statement that you found. Big deal, right, gonna hold national firmly to umm, their own stated policy.

              But can you name one thing that the Nats would have done that Dunne has stopped them from doing? One policy that he has moderated? He can’t, or won’t. So good luck.

              And one more thing, pretty sure you used to be quite big on the idea that mps should listen to their electorate, and that party policy and whipping should actually pay second fiddle to electorate desires in an electorate mps actions. Do you still believe that?

              • Probably just figured Dunne would act like a rat bastard Pete.

                Dunne has acted with far more integrity on asset sales – pre and post election – than Eddie.

                And one more thing, pretty sure you used to be quite big on the idea that mps should listen to their electorate, and that party policy and whipping should actually pay second fiddle to electorate desires in an electorate mps actions. Do you still believe that?

                I have championed MPs listening to their electorates more and am still actively involved in facilitating and promoting that. But I wouldn’t put whipping at second fiddle, there’s a place for supporting both party policies and electorate interests, where appropriate. An MP conscience position also has it’s place.

                I think if a conscience or party position/vote clashes with electorate interests an MP has an obligation to clearly explain why, and can be judged on that.

                Maybe you are angling towards Dunne should be listening to his electiorate. He’s at least as in touch with his electorate as most MPs, he was re-elected and when you combine his and National’s vote he has a reasonable mandate for his position (that was clear before the election).

                Ohariu People’s Power is a small group from both inside and beyond Ohariu. Yes, they should be listened to like anyone else, but they are nowhere near a majority. They are in fact looking more like an activist arm of the Labour Party. Charles in charge?

            • Eddie 1.3.1.1.2.2

              Did Dunne openly say he would support national;s asset sales? Once. In one online forum.

              The fact that I knew Dunne was being a duplicitous son of a bitch in avoiding (save once) giving an express opinion on National’s asset sales programme does not mitigate the fact he was refusing to be open about it.

              You know this, Pete. You ran the UF line and repeatedly refused to express support National’s asset sales programme on this site. I knew what you were doing but that doesn’t change the fact you and your hair cult were refusing to be up front with the people whose votes you were seeking.

              • Did Dunne openly say he would support national;s asset sales? Once. In one online forum.

                How many times do you want me to prove Dunne said it openly?

                From what I saw everyone in UF was clear on the party position on asset sales, some were not in favour and said that.

                You ran the UF line and repeatedly refused to express support National’s asset sales programme on this site.

                Your turn to front up with some proof. Or keep digging – a hole.

                • felix

                  Just for clarification: Are you asking Eddie to prove that you didn’t do something?

                  How? Surely you’d have to show he’s wrong by proving you did it.

                  • That’s what Eddie asked me to do, prove Dunne never said something during the election campaign on the threat of a ban.

                    But in this case “repeatedly refused to express support National’s asset sales programme on this site”.

                    Just a couple of instances of proof of “refusing to express support” would do. As you may infer, absence of expression is not a refusal.

                    In fact I campaigned in Dunedin on allowing National’s sales programme but ensuring limitations. I don’t know if I could prove that, but I’m sure I could find people who would corroborate it.

                    This is all just a nonsense attempt at attacking Dunne (and me) – for which I suggest there is no gain anyway. And, just hypothetically, if someone was running campaigns to try and discredit policiticians by using deliberate misinformation, and were paid by the public purse, I’d be a tad disappointed.

                    As I would expect David Shearer to be disappointed too, he seems like a guy you can take at his word and would oppose Dishonest Politics.

                    • felix

                      “That’s what Eddie asked me to do, prove Dunne never said something during the election campaign on the threat of a ban.”

                      Eh? That’s exactly the opposite of what Eddie asked for. You were supposed to be finding evidence of Dunne explicitly stating something, not never saying it.

                      Exactly the opposite, Pete. Is that why it took you so long to find? ;)

                      Anyway do I see what you mean now. Eddie ought to be able to show examples of where you were asked about your position on asset sales and you avoid the question, and since he said “repeatedly” there should really be more than one example of avoidance. Furry muff. I reckon it’d be easy enough to find seeing as how avoiding questions is sort of your hobby, but we’ll see.

                      ps what do you mean about the public purse?

      • Te Reo Putake 1.3.2

        That’s a quote from Dunne, post election. What counts is a quote from Dunne, pre-election. An explicit endorsement. Can’t be too hard to find, surely?

        • Eddie 1.3.2.1

          It wouldn’t be at all hard to find if Dunne was telling the truth when he said “my position was clear pre-election”.

          Yet no-one can find him ever saying he would support National’s asset sales or wouldn’t.

          • Pete George 1.3.2.1.1

            Just because you can’t produce anything saying one thing, doesn’t make it honest to say the opposite – with no evidence.

          • insider 1.3.2.1.2

            I found two very clear examples in only a few minutes. Maybe you didn’t want to find any…

  2. Treetop 2

    Dunne is frustrated alright, he knows that the Conservatives will be relevant at the next election and it will be bye bye United Future.

    When the changes to TVNZ 7 were announced, I heard such anger in Dunne’s voice when he was interviewed on Newstalk zb. At the time I thought, if only you could be as concerned over the sale of state assets, then you may gain some respect and votes.

    • Dunne has been putting his political career and his party on the line since last century, while other parties have come and gone. It’s impossible to know the lie of the land in Ohariu for another couple of years, so I doubt he’ll be losing sleep over a Clayton’s Christian Conservative Party from Auckland.

      Funny, Dunne get’s accused of saying and doing nothing (he’s got a bigger workload than most MPs) and then he gets accused of speaking up on something.

      The knockers are acting like tits again.

      • Treetop 2.1.1

        “The knockers are acting like tits again.”

        Dunne needs to grow some balls when it comes to stopping the sale of state assets. There is no point in being ambitious unless you will succeed at the task. Being upset and crying about TVNZ 7 is only a million dollars.

        How much worse off is the country going to be when energy assets are sold off?

        Colin Graig actually listens to how people feel about the sale of money making state assets and the increased power bills which low income people will not be able to afford.

      • dunne has been to more parties than paris hilton, and has flip-flopped his way through his entire political career. his principles have always been up for grabs, and while their are many in parliament who deserve to be booted out, he especially brings the place into disrepute. does anybody actually know what he believes in(apart from us paying for his lifetime pension )? a stand against selling out OUR energy companies will be his last chance at getting any respect from the electorate, its either that or being lumped in with such reviled ex-politicians as max bradford (seen him lately?)

  3. fatty 3

    Gotta give Peter Dunne credit…he is a pathetic excuse for a person, completely irrelevant and useless, but he has positioned himself perfectly within the MMP framework. He is placed in the middle and can side with either team.
    National’s shift to the right might open up new possibilities for United Future at the next election…a middle of the road conservatism may reemerge as National continue down an unethical path, and since the Conservatives seem too out of touch with our hegemonic modern-day liberalism – will we see the resurrection of United Future?
    Or, as Labour continue to slide to the right, United Future may remain a thing of the past, but Peter Dunne would fit in nicely with the new Labour policies, if he remains an elected MP, and if Labour can gain some votes.
    I see the next election going one of those two ways…unfortunately Dunne will be difficult to get rid of.
    Unless Ohariu repent from their sins and change their evil ways.

  4. Adrian 4

    The Conservatives aren’t a threat, except to themselves. They have 2 years to throw up a few kiddie-fiddlers and assorted other nutcases.

  5. Te Reo Putake 5

    Limpet, Zet. Limpid means clear eyed, which I’m sure Dunne is regarding his parliamentary future. Or lack of future, as seems more likely.
     
    By the way, I think the relationship between UF and National is not dissimilar to that of the Oxpecker and the Zebra. A bunch of arse.

  6. Limpid?
    Noooooooooooo!
    Limpet.
    Dunne’s a limpet
    Leech would have done. Remora. Lamprey. Tapeworm even.
    Not limpid though.
    Is that clear?

  7. the sprout 7

    He isn’t called Angry Budgey for nothing

  8. Pascal's bookie 8

    He is angry though.

    Here’s some of the stuff he’s tweeted over the last wee while.

    I’ll take out the boring ‘I opened a thing at a meeting’ crap, and replies to people.

    Right then, a straight down the line list of things Dunne has tweeted:

    “Must only say nice things on Twitter, otherwise Andrea Vance thinks I am curmudgeonly and grumpy – virtues I surely could never be accusd of”

    “t would be great to have a day where the Greens were not whining or grizzling – large herds of pigs would be flying around though.”

    “How much longer do we have to endure Wendy’s vacuity and Jim’s idiocy on TVNZ News?”

    “National will destroy itself if it hitches up to the Conservatives – these people are seriously extreme and nutty”

    “Gloom from the Club of Rome http://t.co/BnU2rzJj

    “The Greens are from a planet a long way from here if Holly Walker’s views on Child Support really reflect what they think”

    “IRD website closedown today due to incorrect system setting – no more, no less, but serious impacts for those affected for which I am sorry”

    “Hikoi on asset sales marches to Parliament on a day when it is not sitting – says a lot about the brains behind them.”

    “Half those running People’s Power Ohariu admit to being Green Party members or candidates – says it all really”

    “The Ohariu people’s select committee on asset sales is a joke – see my comments on my Facebook page about how pathetic and inept they are”

    “GWRC – how difficult is it to make sure your buses are not too big for the roads they are using? Your buses are too big for some roads”

    “Wellington bus drivers – you have to stick to your side of the road and give way to oncoming traffic just like the rest of us”

    “To who those who think they know best – it’s normally prudent to see what a deal actually involves before rushing to judgement against it.”

    “No Green/Nat deal: Greens’ bottom line – our way, or the highway. Cannot run a government like that. Labour beware of these friends.”

    https://twitter.com/#!/PeterDunneMP

    It just goes on and on.

    And his replies to people, particularly media, are often quite snipey too. I’m surprised Pete defends him. He’s way more mean on twitter than Mallard, or Tau, who can both engage in a bit of banter and take a joke and make some too.

  9. Georgecom 9

    Operation Ohariu:

    http://www.labour.org.nz/operation-ohariu

    If I lived in Wellington I think I’d be there with bells on. Stirring up a load of opposition in Dunnes nest sounds great.

  10. Dunne will become the co leader of the Conservatives, and with their backing bring 5 more seats = National gets back in.
    It isn’t over.

  11. captain hook 11

    msn news tonight. Labour could lead in the latest Roy Morgan poll.
    good show.
    Dunne should push off now and let his haircut collect the pension.
    he’s been around for far too long without really doing anything.

  12. red blooded 12

    Dunne is a vacuous, self-important, self-interested muppet. I hope he’s not in the next parliament. Having said that, I have to say that I knew and I believe his voters knew before the last election that he was going to vote for asset sales. There’s no way that he would take a principled stand – especially if it threatened his cosy situation as John Key’s back-up buddy. He always commented in such a way as to express mild distaste for asset sales but to try to position himself as the person who was in a position to insist on limits.

    Anyway, while Dunne is a condescending drone, I think the Conservatives are a bigger worry. They present as less zany than ACT (who must, surely, be history next time), but their beliefs are pretty extreme and they have plenty of money.

    • David C 12.1

      and the Conservatives will happily take tens of thousands of God fearing Polynesian votes away from Labours inner city vote base.

  13. captain hook 13

    well I guess if they have plenty of money then its a done deal.
    christian sleazeballs go hard.

  14. burt 14

    It seems reasonable clear what Dunne’s position was pre election.

    Roflcopter on KiwiBlog
    United Future’s position on asset sales (TV advert), in the lead up to the election.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Ru_miEx-c

    Relevant part starts at 1min 30 sec in.

    • felix 14.1

      I can’t watch videos at the moment due to incompetence.

      Can you please quote the relevant section for me?

      • Roflcopter 14.1.1

        Relevant section:

        “Asset sales are on National’s agenda, but they cannot be given a blank cheque. Part of United Future’s role as a support partner is to keep the government on a centre path. No extremes.

        So we say there should be three assets that should never be sold; Kiwibank, Radio New Zealand, and our water. And that we also need to keep New Zealand control of all our other assets.”

        • felix 14.1.1.1

          Where’s the bit where he says UF would vote to sell assets?

          • Pete George 14.1.1.1.1

            You’re taking one thing in isolation. Anyone with half a clue watching that televised and Youtubed advertisement could deduce that UF would support but restrict National on asset sales.

            When you put that alongside all the other things – there are many explicit and implicit examples, plus you can see that it’s clear people like Zetetic and Eddie both thought UF would allow National to follow through with their number one election policy, then you would have to be a fanatic deliberately ignoring the whole set of evidence to nitpick on small – but not contradictory – aspects and argue just for the sake of arguing rather than admit the obvious.

            There’s a lot of evidence supporting a consistent pre and post election UF/Dunne position on asset sales. It is worded in various ways in different places, but it all supports one conclusion.

            Now I think to keep arguing against this you need to come up with evidence – real evidence, not “but he didn’t say it completely every time he opened his mouth” nonsense – to the contrary, otherwise you don’t have an argument at all.

            Thanks for continuing to reinforce this point.

            • felix 14.1.1.1.1.1

              Pete, I’m not looking at it in isolation. burt presented 30 seconds of a video as evidence that UF had a clear message on asset sales, so I’m responding to that.

              The only clear message in the video is that UF will definitely not support selling water, rnz, or kiwibank, and would like to keep all other state assets in nz control.

              Now I know as well as you that what that means is ‘sell the assets’, but not because he’s saying it. He isn’t, not out loud. You have to look for the subtext and the context and make quite a few assumptions to get from “keep New Zealand control of all our other assets” to “support national in selling the assets”.

              I can do it, but like I said, only by making a few assumptions and knowing a bit about the issues.

              A more casual observer could easily take the message as ‘UF wants to keep New Zealand control of all our other assets’. And that doesn’t require any assumptions at all, because it’s pretty much word for word what he actually says.

              It’s not much of a leap to take that as a pro-asset message, and that assumption is reinforced by context of “definitely not selling kiwibank” etc. An incorrect leap, but a perfectly understandable one.

              My most charitable interpretation is that it’s an ambiguous message which could be read either way depending what the viewer wants to hear and depending how informed they are.

            • felix 14.1.1.1.1.2

              Also:

              1) “support but restrict”. Surely you jest. There are absolutely no restrictions placed on National’s plans by UF policy. The water, bank and radio were never on the block. He may as well have said ‘I won’t let National sell your bike’.

              In fact UF proposed allowing 15% ownership by any one entity – 5% more than National!

              2) “but he didn’t say it completely every time he opened his mouth”

              I think what people are taking issue with is that he didn’t say it completely ever.

              Be honest Pete, if UF really wanted people to know that they were in favour of selling assets, they’d have been saying “If elected we will sell [part/all/whatever] of [x]“.

              Like National did.

              • felix

                Sorry, I take back the word “ever”. He did say it completely that one time that you referred to earlier.

                • That’s the one time on record. Dunne also is on record saying he repeated it often during the campaign. People Power Ohariu have conceded that. The evidence keeps mounting up – on one side of the argument.

                  And no evidence on the other side of the argument. Still.

                  • felix

                    One time on record, yes. What evidence are you talking about now? Is someone supposed to be finding something for you?

                    If so, what?

                    • - One time on record – with the very specific words that for some odd reason seem to be important to some people (and weren’t important in the initial accusation.
                      – Corroborated by Dunne and a number of others, including me.
                      – Corroborated by other evidence indicating the same thing.

                      No evidence of Dunne or anyone from UF saying UF didn’t support National’s right to implement their key policy. That’s the evidence you need to have any credibility.

                      And remember, Eddie claimed here that “You ran the UF line and repeatedly refused to express support National’s asset sales programme on this site”.

                      Evidence from Eddie – nil.

                      Multiple accusations made with no evidence. And proof that Eddie knew before the election what the UF position was. A very poor look.

                      Keep emphasising it if you like.

                    • felix

                      “No evidence of Dunne or anyone from UF saying UF didn’t support National’s right to implement their key policy. That’s the evidence you need to have any credibility.”

                      Evidence of something not happening? Don’t think so Pete. But that’s not my fight and anyway, I backed you earlier on what you said Eddie needed to do. Perhaps you missed it, there are a lot of discussions going on.

                      Did you read my comment above regarding the tv ad? Do you disagree with my analysis and if so, how?

          • David C 14.1.1.1.2

            imdeed felix, where is the quote saying Dunne would not support partial sales?

            seems eddie and zetetic owe the young Mr PG some time on bended knee for this load of bullshit.

            • felix 14.1.1.1.2.1

              You’re a very strange man and your question makes no sense. Please do not waste my time with such piffle.

              • OneTrack

                Especially when you are on the losing end of the argument. Why can’t you just harden up and admit UF said, before the election, they would support National on their partial asset sale plan. I think PG has already provided more than enough evidence of this.

                • felix

                  You’re talking to the wrong person, fool. I’m not making that argument.

      • burt 14.1.2

        felix

        I would have probably have worked out better for you if you had stuck with “I can’t watch videos at the moment due to incompetence.”

        • felix 14.1.2.1

          The video says exactly what I said it says, nothing more and nothing less. It contains no explicit statements of intent other than what I described above.

          If you think there are further explicit statements of intent in that video, quote them.

  15. RedBaron 15

    Has the Ohariu electorate asked Katrina Shanks to vote against the asset sales? Would be a nice point of difference between her and Dunne. If she did, is her electorate committee strong enough to prevent her being replaced as the electorate candidate next time around?

  16. Nick 16

    I emailed Dunne to ask him, politely and clearly, what the difference was in supporting partial sales of essential infrastructure such as energy companies and ruling out any partial sale of essential services such as water.

    Despite him being my electorate MP and me waiting patiently a couple of months for a reply I’ve heard nothing. He replied to my previous email asking why he thought he had a mandate for asset sales and he said because he supports National and National wants to sell stuff. This was immediately after the election and before any real pressure started coming on him as National’s ‘enabler’.

    There was nothing provocative, biased or offensive in what I asked this time round, I just wanted a clear answer as to why he had chosen some assets as sacrosanct and not others. For the record I only care about sales of shares in Air New Zealand as they required a bailout last time they were privitised and I would hate to see the waste of money and productivity occur again. I am much more passionate about keeping essential infrastructure in public hands, electricity and water are two parts of the same equation providing social and economic benefits to all New Zealanders and there are benefits above and beyond dividends.

    By essentially ignoring one of his constuents asking a sensible and polite question about an incredibly important policy he’s showing to me that, despite being in parliament solely to represent the people of Ohairu he is much more concerned about doing what he his told by National.

    I don’t care how busy he is, or how much flak he is getting over this particular policy, he is an electorate MP, leader of a party caucus of one and minister of hairdos and tax-collecting. He only has the job he has because of my misguided fellow voters and should have our interests first and foremost. He sends me plenty of glossy newletters saying how he’s here to support me but can’t even answer a simple question.

    He seems to be an out of touch, National Party lacky without firm principles. ACT got considerably more concessions out of National than UF, in fact the Maori party probably did as well and don’t have to support this ridiculous and damamging asset sales policy. Maybe I’ll have to go down and see him in person and talk some sense into him…

    You think HE’s angry? Rant over.

    • Nick – I’ve sent quite few emails to MPs, and including emails to all MPs, and most of them don’t reply most of the time. Some of them send autoresponses saying things like “I get a lot of email but will try to respond” sort of things.

      Most times I’ve emailed MPs from my own elecorate and city they don’t respond.

      I’m not excusing Dunne for not replying to your email, it’s up to him when he replies and when he doesn’t – he usually but not always replies to me when I (occasionally) email him – but the reality is, it’s common not to get replies from MPs, especially when there is nothing they can do about what you have said.

      • Kevin Welsh 16.1.1

        Well Pete, if your emails to MP’s are anything like your posts on here; a whole bunch of rhetorical questions (I am assuming they are rhetorical as you never seem to provide answers to them yourself), then I am not surprised they do not respond.

        Maybe the word has got around and there is a Sir Humphrey with a rather large round filing cabinet giving them due consideration…

        • Pete George 16.1.1.1

          I get some very good replies too. A very good one from Holly Walker on her lobbying bill this week, good clarification, I’ll blog on that soon.

          Her bill may affect people paid to do a job that includes trying to influence MPs and policy, like asset sale lobbying. That may cover people like Zetetic and Eddie, depending on their employment situations. Probably not me though, I’m not paid to do any of my political lobbying, it’s an expense for me.

      • Nick 16.1.2

        I admit that of all the emails I’ve sent to MPs in the past 5 years I don’t get replies from all of them, but I’d say most DO reply. Of course if I’m emailling something slightly sarcastic to the MP representing Clutha-Southland I don’t really expect a response anyway.

        If I email a genuine question to the MP representing my area in parliament I don’t think its too much of a stretch to expect a reply. In this case there IS something he can do about what I’ve said, I just wanted to know why electricity is fair game for partial privitisation and water isn’t. I don’t understand why that line in the sand is the one the Dunne / UF has chosen.

        I’m not actually holding my breath for a reply, I’ll just get on supporting petitions and other action so that Dunne is clear on what his constiuents feel on the issue and what a slim majority there is holding this policy together.

        BTW, David Garret replied to me when I emailled him in the middle of his scandal told him what hypocrite he was as a law and order spokesman – I thought he was and he was surprisingly up front and honest actually, pains me to say it.

        • Pete George 16.1.2.1

          I’m not surprised about David Garrett, he is often on Kiwiblog and is open and honest there. I just disagreed with him an hour ago, he’ll probably come back with a counter argument but without personal attack, he’s only done that once to me and later apologised.

          • OneTrack 16.1.2.1.1

            Do right-wingers do personal attacks PG?

          • fatty 16.1.2.1.2

            “I’m not surprised about David Garrett, he is often on Kiwiblog and is open and honest there. I just disagreed with him an hour ago, he’ll probably come back with a counter argument but without personal attack, he’s only done that once to me and later apologised.”

            Does a personal attack on you count as a personal attack?…That’s like getting labelled anti-Semitic for slagging off Ariel Sharon

  17. Johnm 17

    You’ll never receive a reply Nick!

    • Nick 17.1

      Yeah, I guess it is difficult to say why you would sell off some state assets (that happen to be the ones National wants to sell) and not others (ones that weren’t even up for debate in the first place). I still have hope, one day in the future he’ll figure it out and get back to me….

      Maybe.

      • Treetop 17.1.1

        Oh Nick, Dunne’s electorate constituents will get back to him next election day with their response to certain state assets being sold off.

  18. David C 18

    felix, mabe you were born a little slow, maybe dropped on your head, fetal alcoholc syndrome?, I will make allowances.

    Show me one quote from Dunne were he explictly says he will not support partial asset sales.

    Pretty simple in this day and age IF it exists huh?

    but its a big IF.

    PG has put up a lot to support the fact that the lefard fuckwits have been well and truley shownup on this.

    Own goal anyone?

    • felix 18.1

      Sure I will, just as soon as you show me one quote from me where I said he did.

      Eejit.

  19. captain hook 19

    David c you have got a problem yourself.
    Its not physical but I dont think a trick cyclist would have much trouble diagnosing you.
    treat yourself and find out.

  20. insider 20

    United Future would support a government with a “reasonable centrist path,” he said. That meant although he agreed to some assets being sold off, there were three absolute bottom lines Dunne would never agree to being sold. 10 october 2011

    http://www.interest.co.nz/news/56105/unitedfutures-peter-dunne-calls-debate-privatisation-limits-says-kiwibank-radio-nz-and-wa

  21. insider 21

    PETER Weve gotta get the language right here. This is not selling state assets. This is a proposal to sell shares of a minority nature in four energy companies and Air NZ. Provided New Zealand control is retained – the government will retain 51% – provided New Zealand control is retained in the shareholding and that no one can hold more than 15%-

    METIRIA You cannot guarantee that, Peter. You know that.

    PETER -and provided we never move to sell Kiwibank, Radio NZ or our water resources, we would be prepared to support that policy.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/transcript-multi-party-debate-part-two-4489736

    • Ah, but that’s only on national TV…

      Thanks Insider. More proof of the obvious. It seems ridiculous that this is in question now when it has always been clear. That’s why the motives of those raising it should be questioned. And they will be.

  22. It’s as obvious as dog nuts in the Supply and Confidence Agreement between UnitedFuture and National:

    * There will be no sale of any part of Kiwibank or Radio New Zealand.
    * Introduce statutory limits on the sale of public assets to no more than 49% of shareholding to private interests including limits on the extent of single entity ownership

    Also I can personally testify to the fact that he did tell his electorate the details of UF conditional support for State Asset Sales as above. This may have been discussed at the annual conference.

    I was regularly at the UnitedFuture Ohariu Electorate Committee meetings. None of the ham-fisted oiks jumping up and down and forming anti asset sales flame groups deigned to present at any of these well-publicised electorate committee meetings.

  23. chris73 23

    Hehehehe Pete George wins

  24. Shazzadude 24

    I just want to say that I found the attack on Pete disgusting-so disgusting, this could’ve almost been a kiwiblog comments section.

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    Labour’s New Zealand Council has appointed Bryan Gould as Convenor of its post-General Election Review.  He will be joined on the Review Team by Hon Margaret Wilson, Stacey Morrison and Brian Corban (see further biographical details here). The Review Team...
    Labour | 19-10
  • Labour backs urban development plans
    Auckland Council’s plan to set up an urban development agency is to be applauded and central government should get behind it to make it a success, Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford says. Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town has indicated plans...
    Labour | 18-10
  • New Zealand can be rightly proud of seat on Security Council
    Gaining a seat on the United Nation’s Security Council shows the sort of standing that New Zealand has in the world and the quality of the long campaign that we ran over nearly a decade, says Foreign Affairs spokesperson David...
    Labour | 16-10
  • NZ has opportunity on UN Security Council
    New Zealand has an opportunity to make a major contribution to the strengthening of international law and institutional capacity through its upcoming two-year tenure on the United Nations Security Council, Green Party spokesperson on global affairs, Dr Kennedy Graham said...
    Greens | 16-10
  • MPI still dragging the chain over causes of food bug
    The Ministry of Primary Industries’ release of Environmental Science and Research’s initial reports regarding the sources of a nasty stomach bug will be little comfort to the 127 people affected by it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “This...
    Labour | 16-10
  • Treasury officials should try working without food
    The Green Party is challenging Treasury officials to work for a week without eating properly, in light of their advice to Government that a food in schools programme is not needed."Treasury's advice was that providing food for children in schools...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Councils need to better protect our drinking water
    Environment Canterbury (ECan) is proposing several variations to its regional land and water plan that will allow for increased nutrient and other pollution from irrigation and intensive agriculture on the Canterbury Plains. Commissioners are hearing submissions on Variation 1 to...
    Greens | 15-10
  • National needs to commit to making NZ workers safe
    The National Government must do more to help make New Zealand workplaces a safer place to work in, Green Party industrial relations spokesperson Denise Roche said today.Data released by Statistics New Zealand today showed that workers in the fishing and...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Key commits to deployment before consultation or analysis
    John Key’s offer to consult Opposition parties on whether to deploy New Zealand forces against ISIS looks increasingly like a PR exercise only, says Labour’s Defence spokesperson, Phil Goff. “The presence of New Zealand’s Chief of Defence Force at a...
    Labour | 15-10
  • National must end ideological opposition to raising income
    If John Key is serious about tackling child poverty he must approach it with an open mind, and overcome his ideological block to raising incomes as a solution, the Green Party said today.Papers released to Radio New Zealand today show...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Pentagon links climate change and terrorism
    Yesterday the Pentagon launched a plan to deal with a threat that “poses immediate risks to national security”; one that “will affect the Department of Defense’s ability to defend the nation”. It wasn’t referring to Ebola or ISIS. It was...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Four Nominees for Labour’s Leadership
    As at 5pm today four valid nominations had been received for the position of Labour Leader, as follows: Andrew Little(nominated by Poto Williams and Iain Lees-Galloway) Nanaia Mahuta(nominated by Louisa Wall and Su’a William Sio) David Parker(nominated by Damien O’Connor...
    Labour | 14-10
  • Green Party calls for consultation over terrorism law changes
    The Green Party has today written to the Prime Minister asking him to engage in wider consultation prior to changing any laws as a result of the recently announced terrorism law reviews, said the Green Party today. In a letter...
    Greens | 14-10
  • MPI must name product and supermarket chain
    The Ministry of Primary Industries must name the product responsible for severe gastroenteritis affecting people around the country, and the supermarket chain distributing it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “The Ministry seems to be more concerned about protecting...
    Labour | 13-10
  • John Key dishonest about reasons for wanting to change terrorism law
    John Key is misleading the public to push through terrorism law changes under urgency, the Green Party said today. On Sunday, John Key stated that it is not illegal for someone to fight overseas for a terrorist group, such as...
    Greens | 12-10
  • Law changes shaping up to be worse than first thought
    The Prime Minister needs to be up front about exactly what changes he is planning to make to the Employment Relations  Amendment Bill, Labour's spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.Interviewed on Q&A yesterday John Key said he did not...
    Labour | 12-10
  • Rapists, not Tinder, the threat to women
    Blame for rape and sexual assault should only ever be laid at the door of the perpetrator, not dating services or the actions of women themselves, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “Tinder is not the problem and women...
    Labour | 09-10
  • Safer Journeys For People Who Cycle
    You have a rare opportunity to tell the people who are making the decisions on cycling how to make it better. The Cycling Safety Panel is seeking feedback on their draft recommendations for improving the safety of cycling in New...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Subsidising more pollution will undermine water clean-up plan at Te Waihora...
    In 2010, NIWA found Canterbury’s Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere had the worst nutrient status of 140 lakes around New Zealand that it measured. In 2011, the National Government committed to spending $15 million across the country through the Fresh Start for...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Adding value not herbicides
    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA to fight mass privatisation of state housing
    Announcements over the past 12 hours from the Minister responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English, and Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, make clear the government’s intention for the mass privatisation of state housing. This comes during the middle...
    Mana | 07-10
  • Journalists have right to protect sources
    Legal authorities must respect the right of journalist Nicky Hager to protect the source of his material for his Dirty Politics book under Section 68 of the Evidence Act, Acting Labour Leader David Parker says. “It is crucial in an...
    Labour | 06-10
  • It shouldn’t take the Army to house the homeless
    National’s move to speed up its state house sell-off shows it is bankrupt of new ideas, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “National has been in office for six years, yet the housing crisis has got worse every month and...
    Labour | 06-10
  • Government must lift social housing supply, not shuffle the deck chairs
    National's decision to shift the state provision of housing to third parties is a smokescreen for the Government decreasing the provision of affordable housing, the Green Party said today."What National should be doing is increasing the supply of both social...
    Greens | 06-10
  • Election 2014 – the final count
    While we have to wait for the final booth level counts we can now see how well we did in the specials and look at electorate level data. First off special votes (and disallowed/recounted votes etc). There was a change...
    Greens | 06-10
  • We need more houses, not Ministers
    The Government’s decision to have three housing Ministers will create a dog’s breakfast of the portfolio and doesn’t bode well for fixing the country’s housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “New Zealanders need more houses, not more Ministers....
    Labour | 05-10
  • MANA’S CHALLENGE TO THE 51st PARLIAMENT
    Ten years ago I led 50,000 Maori on the historic FORESHORE AND SEABED MARCH from Te Rerenga Wairua to the very steps of this parliament, in a march against the greatest land grab in the history of this country –...
    Mana | 03-10
  • Is this really necessary?
    No one denies chief executives should be well paid for their skills and experience, but it is the efforts of all employees which contribute to company profits, Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker says. “Salaries paid to chief executives come at...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Lyttelton Port workers also deserve pay rises
    Hard slog by Lyttelton Port workers contributed to strong financial growth for the company and they deserve to be rewarded for their work as much as its chief executive, says Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker. “Lyttelton Port chief executive Peter...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Māori Party must seek guarantees on Māori seats
    Labour is calling on the Māori Party to ensure protection of the Māori seats is part of its coalition deal with National which is being considering this weekend, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “For the third consecutive term,...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Donaghys job losses another blow to Dunedin
    The loss of 30 jobs from Donaghys rope and twine factory is yet another blow to the people and economy of Dunedin, says Dunedin South Labour MP Clare Curran. “Donaghys was founded in 1876; the company has survived two world...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Dairy price fall shows urgent need to diversify
    The overnight drop in milk prices shows New Zealand’s overreliance on the dairy industry puts our economy in a vulnerable position, says Acting Labour Leader David Parker. “Dairy prices fell 7.3 per cent overnight and have almost halved since February....
    Labour | 02-10
  • Tasks aplenty for new Health Minister
    One of the first jobs for the new Minister of Health must be to provide an honest and transparent report into surgery waiting times and exactly how many Kiwis are not having their health needs met, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette...
    Labour | 02-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Labour and ‘special interests’
    The media narrative of Labour is that it is unpopular because it’s controlled by ‘special interests’. This ‘special interests’ garbage is code for gays, Maoris, wimin and unionists. We should show that argument the contempt it deserves. The next Labour...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Ru...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Tahi) . National’s housing development project: ‘Gateway’ to confusion . Perhaps nothing better illustrates National’s lack of a coherent housing programme than the ‘circus’ that is...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Here’s what WINZ are patronisingly saying to people on welfare when they ...
    Yesterday, a case manager from WINZ called to tell me that I needed to “imagine what I would do if I did not have welfare”. I replied “Well, I guess if I couldn’t live at home, I would be homeless.”...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • David Shearer’s ‘no feminist chicks’ mentality highlights all that is...
    Mr Nasty pays a visit Shearer’s extraordinary outburst last night on NZs favourite redneck TV, The Paul Henry Show, is a reminder of all that is wrong within the Labour Caucus right now… He said the current calls for a female or...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0
    Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – A Tale Of Two Cities
    Sunday was surreal. I went for a drive and ended up in a different country. It wasn’t intentional but those days of too many literally intertextual references seldom are. There is no doubt that the Sunday drive this week had...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Key raises terror threat level to justify war in Iraq and now the SIS need ...
    Have we learned nothing from rushing into war? It’s embarrassing Key has raised our terror threat from ‘very low’ to ‘low’ so he can justify military action in Iraq. Watching him pimp for an American war is as sick as...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Socialism? in France; Austerity in Europe
    On Sunday I stumbled upon this recent New York Times column The Fall of France by Paul Krugman. Then I caught BBC’s Newsnight interview with France’s ‘Socialist’ Prime Minister Manuel Valls. Krugman notes that the Socialists came to power on an anti-austerity mandate, but completely squandered their opportunity...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • So Snowden and Greenwald were right – again – NZ Embassies spying for A...
    Well, well, well. What do we have here… NZ embassies involved in covert intelligence work for US – reportsNew Zealand’s embassies have been involved in covert intelligence gathering work on behalf of the United States, a fresh batch of classified...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Why David Parker *isn’t* a credible choic...
    The one electoral contest this year that a Labour leader is sure to win heated up over the weekend with the late entry of Finance Spokesman (and interim caretaker leader) David Parker into Labour’s leadership race. I’d blogged late last...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Fran O’Sullivan’s extraordinary column
    Note how the carefully constructed flow chart above ignores the mainstream media’s complicity with Slater and Dirty Politics    I am no fan of Fran O’Sullivan’s politics and would argue long into the day against her on many of the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Final salute to Cunliffe
    Final salute to Cunliffe...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • David Cunliffe’s statement
    I am today announcing that I have decided not to nominate for the 2014 Labour Party leadership contest. It has been a hard decision to make but it is one that I believe is in the best interests of the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Cunliffe to quit leadership race – the losers are the Labour Party member...
    That’s all folks   And so ends the first ever Labour Party member/affiliates choice for leadership. David Cunliffe is standing down at 2pm and is supporting Andrew Little instead. What a perverse turn of events. Cunliffe was punished by an angry Labour leadership forced...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Want to see new Nu Zilind? Read the comments section of Andrea Vance’s co...
    Andrea Vance is no stooge. She is one of the few mainstream media voices who has challenged power and authority, her latest column on the outrageous attempts by Key to use fear mongering to  spook the sleepy hobbits into war...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Humanity calling Government – anyone with empathy home?
    On Friday night groups of Invercargill activists and plain ole people who care took part in the 14 Hours Homeless event – sleeping out in the balmy southern climate on cardboard and couches at our Salvation Army Citadel. It’s a...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Labour, leadership and White blokes
    David Shearer said on TV3’s The Nation this weekend that he appreciated the support Labour’s received from Maori and Pacific communities over the last few elections, but that it was important to again, secure the votes of ordinary white blokes...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Wrong priorities in media coverage of Ebola crisis
    The experts have told us that there is very little likelihood of a serious Ebola outbreak in any Western nation – unless the virus changes so that it can be spread through the air rather than just via bodily fluids....
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • John Key uses the same old warmongering recipe
    Less than three weeks after the election Prime Minister John Key wants New Zealand to join a war in the Middle East and extend the powers of our US-focused spy agencies the SIS (Security Intelligence Service) and the GCSB (Government...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
    “The fossil fuel industry is the biggest threat to our very existence as Pacific Islanders. We stand to lose our homes, our communities and our culture. But we are fighting back. This coming Friday thirty Pacific Climate Warriors, joined by...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
    Simple steps could dramatically reduce the number of accidents involving tourists, says the car review website dogandlemon.com ....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • RainbowYOUTH: 25 Years, 25 More
    In 1989, a group of young people in Auckland got together to form a support group for LGBTIQ youth. They called it Auckland Lesbian And Gay Youth (ALGY). After 25 years, several location changes, a name change, a brand reboot...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Outdated Oath shows need for Kiwi Head of State
    MPs are sworn in today and New Zealand Republic has written to MPs asking them to talk about why 121 New Zealanders elected by the people of New Zealand and standing in the New Zealand Parliament swear allegiance to another...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Council shouldn’t revenue grab from windfall valuations
    Auckland Council should state clearly they will not try and capture revenue as a result of the latest valuations and needs reminding that the City’s skyrocketing property values doesn’t change the level or cost of Council’s services, says...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • EPMU endorses Andrew Little for Labour leadership
    The National Executive of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union unanimously endorsed Andrew Little for the role of Labour leader, at a meeting held yesterday. “I have been speaking to our workplace delegates at forums across the country over...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • World Food Day promotes Agroecology not GE technology
    The UN has stated that agroecology is a major solution to feeding the world and caring for the earth....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Labour Names Review Team
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has appointed Bryan Gould as Convenor of its post-General Election Review. He will be joined on the Review Team by Hon Margaret Wilson, Stacey Morrison and Brian Corban....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Contenders for Labour leadership debate for first time
    The contenders for the leadership of the Labour Party debated for the first time on TV One’s Q+A programme today....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • UN Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme
    New Zealand's United Nations Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
    Lisa Owen interviews RSA President BJ Clark and tech innovator Ian Taylor about changing the NZ flag...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
    Lisa Owen interviews RSA President BJ Clark and tech innovator Ian Taylor about changing the NZ flag...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • Lisa Owen interviews Foreign Minister Murray McCully
    Murray McCully says New Zealanders can expect a 5-10 year engagement against Islamic State if we join military action in Iraq and the government will take that “very carefully into account”...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • Lisa Owen interviews Julia Gillard
    Julia Gillard says there is “sufficient evidence” to fight Islamic State and does not think it will increase the risk of a domestic attack...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • NZ businesses to make child abuse a priority conversation
    Many leading New Zealand businesses have partnered with national child advocacy organisation Child Matters to participate in the fourth annual ‘Buddy Day’ - New Zealand’s only child abuse prevention awareness day....
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • Tribunal decision significant for SMEs
    The Human Rights Review Tribunal decided this week in favour of an employee’s right not to work on Saturdays for religious reasons. The decision may still be appealed but the Director of the Office of Human Rights Proceedings, Robert Kee,...
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • On The Nation this weekend
    This weekend on The Nation… New Zealand has been elected to the United Nations Security Council, but what happens next? Lisa Owen interviews Foreign Minister Murray McCully from New York about our goals for reform, what America wants from us...
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • 1000+ supported by Te Arawa Whanau Ora
    Over 1000 individual whānau members are leading happier, healthier, more successful lives as a result of eight passionate and committed Māori organisations working at the coalface to help whānau find success....
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • Nomination for Board Members Now Open
    CRF’s objective is to create opportunities for people from refugee backgrounds to lead fulfilling lives and contribute to every area of New Zealand society. It is an organisation that undertakes advocacy work using the strengths-based approach,...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Anglican Family Care Otago staff to take industrial action
    Social workers, family workers and support staff working for Anglican Family Care in Dunedin and South Otago will take industrial action after their employer refused a pay increase that would keep up with the rising cost of living....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Use UN Security Council role to overcome inaction and injust
    Amnesty International welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the UN Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use the role to ensure the body lives up to its role of safeguarding global peace and security....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Grisham’s ‘child porn’ comments ignorant
    World-renowned author John Grisham has come under fire by advocacy group Stop Demand Foundation, for comments it says trivialises the global child sex abuse trade....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Latest leak of TPPA intellectual property text confirms risk
    On the eve of the latest (non)round of negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) yet another version of the intellectual property has found its way to Wikileaks ....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • New Zealand awarded UN Security Council seat
    International aid agency Oxfam New Zealand welcomes New Zealand’s election to the United Nations Security Council, saying it gives an extraordinary opportunity to make a lasting contribution to international peace and security and improve the lives...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • 40 more jobs lost to cheap imports
    40 more jobs lost to cheap imports Another New Zealand manufacturer is closing its doors, giving the lie to the idea that we have a “rock star” economy or any strategy for jobs growth. Wellpack is a paper bag manufacturer...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Pink Batts manufacturer to cut Christchurch jobs
    Pink Batts manufacturer to cut Christchurch jobs 29 roles are to be cut at the Christchurch manufacturing facility of Tasman Insulation, the company which manufacturers the iconic Pink Batts brand of products. The company is proposing to consolidate its...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Kellogg cereal donations help the Sallies feed those in need
    Kellogg New Zealand commits 64,000 serves of breakfast cereal during World Food Day Coinciding with World Food Day this year, Kellogg New Zealand and The Salvation Army are reaching out to less fortunate Kiwis with the donation of 64,000 serves...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • National Slips, Labour Hits Lows
    National fail to get post-election bounce but leaderless Labour Party crash to lowest ever support...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • NZ parents hope for more than just happy and healthy babies
    Auckland, 16 October 2014 – What do expectant mums and dads hope for their children? According to new research from Growing Up in New Zealand , a baby’s health and happiness may be high up on the list, but today’s...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • NZPI backs Minister’s affordable housing stance
    NZPI backs Minister’s affordable housing stance NZPI is supportive of Hon. Dr Nick Smith’s, efforts to use the RMA as a mechanism for taking the heat out of the housing affordability challenge in New Zealand. “As Minister for Environment...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Prime Minister’s OIA Admision Disturbing
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling for answers after it was revealed on Radio New Zealand’s Morning Report that the Prime Minister’s office routinely flouts its obligations under the Official Information Act. Taxpayers’ Union spokesman, Ben...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • NZDIA forum press release
    NZDIA forum press release Wellington - The New Zealand Defence Industry Association, with the support of the NZ Defence Force and the Ministry of Defence, will be holding a two-day international forum on October 21-22 at the Michael Fowler Centre...
    Scoop politics | 15-10
  • BPW NZ calls fashion industry to account
    The New Zealand Federation of Business and Professional Women (BPW NZ) joins the call for action on the use of skinny models and mannequins as it is directly affecting the self-esteem and health of many of our young people....
    Scoop politics | 15-10
  • Electoral Commission introduces Extra Touch for Blind NZers
    The Electoral Commission was presented with the Extra Touch Award by the Association of Blind Citizens of New Zealand (Blind Citizens NZ), in recognition of its successful implementation of Telephone Dictation Voting ahead of its commitment to do so by...
    Scoop politics | 15-10
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