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Final final final warning

Written By: - Date published: 1:03 pm, May 6th, 2014 - 59 comments
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When John Key said he wouldn’t like to be in her shoes if anything more came out about Judith Collins, he presumably just meant that they looked uncomfortable.  I mean high-heels, who invented those?  Crazy.

Since then we’ve had far more details showing just how much she lied about her immaculately planned hour long ‘cup of tea’, a long way from the airport (purpose of visit from briefing: to benefit Oravida).  We’ve learnt about how Oravida wanted her to talk to [redacted] about their supply issues when she went over, Oravida organising a dinner with [redacted] and their CEO, MFAT being requested to organise the Ambassador to go and to give a briefing, a lot of internal discussion going on before it being ‘squared away’ by it now being a private dinner, and Oravida receiving their import clearance certificate some weeks later, followed 3 days later by a $30,000 further donation to National.

And we’ve had Collins attack and threaten the parliamentary press gallery.

How are those shoes John?

But it’s all right, it’s all those people on Twitter’s fault.

Apparently they’re trolls and bottom-feeders and Judith has to be nasty and vindictive to them. It’s not her fault if she occasionally fails the test of humanity and gets recognised as a replicant.

So now National are swearing off engaging on social media (JK: only use it to put out pictures of what you’re up to).  Because they wouldn’t to listen to what New Zealanders are trying to tell them.

That’d be far too unpleasant.

59 comments on “Final final final warning”

  1. Tracey 1

    was disparaging publically of her own staff… and gets full pay stress leave with no medical certificate required. double standards indeed

    • Lanthanide 1.1

      No double standard at all. Employers are perfectly allowed to give their staff time off whenever they like. Similarly a medical certificate can be requested after 3 days absence, it is not automatically required to be presented after 3 days.

      • Tracey 1.1.1

        you have missed some important debates and law since 2011 lanth. try one day and can request a med certificate.

        • Lanthanide

          Right, just looked it up. It can be requested for the first day of absence, but the employer must reimburse the employee for the cost. If you are sick for 3 or more consecutive days, then you must meet the costs.

          However I am correct that there is no automatic requirement for a medical certificate. The employer may request one, but they don’t have to (and my employer typically does not).

          So once again, no double standard. The rules being applied to Collins are the same rules that apply to all other employees.

          • Tracey

            the intent of Collins Govt’s rule change is to make it harder for employees to take sick leave. There is a double standard Lanth. She is being given time off to avoid work without any proof of medical circumstances. This is precisely what the law was intended for, by National, to make sure employees are not taking sickies to avoid a days work.

            • Lanthanide

              Under the new law, it is entirely at the employer’s discretion. There’s no double standard – the rules apply to everyone.

              A double standard is when you have different rules that apply to different people. That is not the case here.

              Furthermore, as I stated, employers can give employees time off whenever they want, for whatever reason they want. Typically employers don’t do this, but there’s nothing stopping them from doing it.

              You may think it stinks, it’s lame, whatever, but it is not a double standard.

      • Rodel 1.1.2

        Hey! I’m (we’re) the f****n employer.(s).. Have you forgotten that?

    • whatever next? 1.2

      and now she’s off twitter, she can’t even apologise to them

  2. fender 2

    “Tr0lls and bottom-feeders”

    Silly Mr Key, he’s got Twitter and Whaleoil mixed up..

  3. Draco T Bastard 3

    “Frankly I’d advise other politicians to follow the same advice I follow,” Key said.

    “There’s going to be a lot of bad stuff written out there on social media … .that’s just the nature of the job, it happens on all sides to all politicians but I don’t see how any good can come from that stuff.”

    Yes, because listening to people obviously won’t produce any good. /sarc :roll:

  4. felix 4

    Well it depends how you interpret ‘new material coming out’.

    Do you take it to mean new to the public domain?

    Or new to Key?…

  5. i noted elsewhere that twitter-induced stress..

    ..is surely ‘stwess’..?

  6. karol 6

    Grant Robertson produces extra evidence in Question Time that there was an extra round table business & justivce-related meeting squeezed in between a Collins’ visit to Oravida – – the business and round table meeting was replaced by the visit to Oravida. From OIA

    Collins says the media did not go ahead at her request because she didn’t schedule it. Robertson says the document shows Collins requested the meeting.

    Mallard made an interjection about money going to Collins family. He refused to withdraw and apologise as he said it was the truth – he was ejected from the House.

    • Tracey 6.1

      ms bennett says

      “national likes people to help themselves.”

      collins has certainly done that.

      karol, bennetts last community meeting on 28 april was in hobsonville, which isnt actually in her electorate! the board is by te atatu turnoff. i couldnt get a photo due to traffic flow.

    • Tracey 7.1

      has key left the chamber…

      its all left to bill..

    • karol 7.2

      The NZ Herald headline for the live blog is “Collins vs the House”. It should be “Collins & Speaker vs the opposition”.

    • freedom 7.3

      “Key replies no further pertinent information has since come out to contradict what Collins told him.”

      Really Mr Key?
      You saw the stated agenda of the Oravida meeting? How many weeks ago? How does it not conflict with 2.62 of the Cabinet Rules? Are you running your unicorn in the Melbourne Cup?

      • miravox 7.3.1

        “You saw the stated agenda of the Oravida meeting? How many weeks ago? How does it not conflict with 2.62 of the Cabinet Rules? “

        Isn’t business over dinner a Key thing? Like the chat over dinner that resulted in the deal of the century for the SkyCity convention centre, Key actually suggesting Collins catch up with Oravida mates and unnamed border official, and have a photo op at the office, would not be beyond the realms of possibility.

        Cabinet manual – pfft – gotta think on your feet to do the deals.

        • freedom

          there are very few places in life that I think firm rules are needed,
          my top three would be, in no particular order

          Theatres of War
          Swimming Pools
          Central Government

          you may notice they are all places where one wrong move can split your skull wide open

  7. Treetop 8

    Key does not like the blogs, twitter, facebook because they make him look weak.

    There is one person who knows beyond reasonable doubt the scale of Collins misleading parliament and that is Key; Key has the resources to know every detail. The game Key played today was to feed Collins to parliament to see what dirt the opposition would throw at Collins and then he will assess how much of a liability she is. Key has sent a clear message that he is not going to be overly protective of Collins when it comes to explaining herself.

    Were Collins an opposition MP, Key would probably be shouting liar.

    • Tracey 8.1

      you mean like over the owen glen and peters thing, whereby he dragged clark in, or the painting for charity.

      as for pointing to the resignations as evidence of his high standards, you can but laugh.

      • Anne 8.1.1

        Thinking about those things today. Remember the uproar? Went on for months.

        One concernend a painting for a well deserving charity. Helen agreed to sign her name to it so that it would sell for a good sum – $2000 wasn’t it?

        The other was based on mischievous lies by a spolit billionaire who likes to see his name in lights and hates being snubbed by the powerful.

        The amount of money involved in both cases were mere ‘pennies’ compared to the multi-thousands of ill gotten gains notched up by National.

        • Tracey

          I thought the signing of the painting was wrong, as it suggested she painted it.

          I never completely followed why Clark was fingered in the owen glen and peters rumble… BUT any right wing person who explains it now will be hoist on their own petard.

    • Tracey 9.1

      when did oravida buy a bar?

      • Lanthanide 9.1.1

        Because every photo a company director and their partner appears in, must be directly related to the company of which they are a director?

        • Tracey

          it was a joke lanth. Cos Oravida is more than one company, more than just a milk provider.

      • karol 9.1.2

        Collins and husband did own some restaurants at some stage.

  8. One Anonymous Bloke 10

    Only the weak give final final final warnings.

    Only the strong receive them.

    Judith is strong.

    • Weepu's beard 10.1

      Your reverse psychology policy on this might backfire.

      It’s clear she’s not going to be sacked. The PM will have all the info on the trip by now – according to Barry Soper, Wayne Eagle threateningly stood over her staff yesterday demandingevery last detail.

      She is going to be there come election time and no matter of what you and I think of her behavior as Minister of Justice, a lot of right wing voters from the middle will admire the fact she’s still standing after all the bullets have been fired and Grant Robertson appears to be running out of ammo.

      Death by a thousand cuts is not going to work on Judith because, like pinhead from Hellraiser, she feeds off that sort of punishment.

      • McFlock 10.1.1

        won’t there be a complaint to privileges committee coming up on it?
        Another chance to string it all out and chip away at their 47% target

        • fisiani

          The National target is not 47%. That was the record result in 2011/ The target for 2014 is closer to 57% and given the impotence of the popgun assaults on the Minister of Justice in the last month that seems quite achievable. Grant Robertson is as usual all bluster and show but totally ineffective. Just ask yourself. What has Grant Robertson actually achieved in 6 years? Nowt! His plan has always been to be the leader in 2017 so he will polish up the handles so carefully that he looks busy but at all times is steadily undermining The Cunliffe as he plots to become the leader October 2014.

          • Colonial Viper

            I think Grant Robertson is on the way to scoring a Tory Ministerial scalp. Not bad for an election year.

            The National target is not 47%. That was the record result in 2011/ The target for 2014 is closer to 57% and given the impotence of the popgun assaults on the Minister of Justice in the last month that seems quite achievable.

            I hope all National Party strategists take your advice and now rest on their laurels because according to you, they are simply going to coast in to a third term.

            • fisiani

              At the last election National scored a whopping 47% and Labour a miserly 27% yet National still did not have enough MP’s to have a majority government. Given how well National have done in rescuing NZ from the scorched earth destruction of the economy by Labour during the nine wasted years it seems only fit and proper to aim for 57% and if only 54% vote National in 2014 we can aim for 60% in 2017.

              • Lanthanide

                “scorched earth destruction of the economy by Labour”

                When we got to a net-0 debt position?

                You have a strange definition of ‘destruction’.

                • fisiani

                  Cullen gleefully crowed that “the cupboard was bare “as he was booted out by the proletariat. This too was a lie for on the back shelf of the cupboard lay a pile of unopened bills that when paid would mean a decade or more of deficits. Bill English picked up the unpaid bills and rescued the country in less than 6 years. You cannot claim that Cullen was not treacherous in leaving that large pile of unopened debts.

                  And Bill English has produced an economy that has created a whopping 84,000 jobs in the last 12 months.

                  • Lanthanide

                    You have a strange definition of ‘rescued’, when you mean “run up the largest debt this country has ever seen”.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1.2

        “…a lot of right wing voters from the middle will admire the fact she’s still standing …”

        Disagree. A lot of right wing voters from the right wing of the National Party who already like Judith Collins will be impressed.

        Centre voters will run a mile from her arrogance and corruption.

  9. Delia 11

    So sad for Judith, she absolutely loved her time on Twitter…amongst those ‘trolls and bottom feeders’ The nuns had a saying when I was at school “you are known by the company you keep”.

  10. Iniuria Mulledovia 12

    TVNZ headlines:

    Opposition MPs grill defiant Judith Collins

    Sorry TVNZ but I was in another universe watching a different channel, the person I was watching seemed more like this

    Pinched faced, her fangs densely rolled up Justice laws dissolving in the saliva of hypocrisy wetting to paper mache, mouth full.

    Choking, clinging desperately to the podium, plucked chicken wings barely flapping, weighed down by the foul dense wind of self interest, a chirp, just audible segues its way out to the chamber, I did nothing wrong John, I did nothing wrong……………….

  11. Chooky 13

    Bomber Bradbury’s take…John Key is beginning to show signs of stress

    “What was most interesting about National in the house today” –


  12. Plan B 14

    the husband, it must be asked, what is he doing there? It could be said to look like he is suitable for the ‘job’ for only one reason and it is not a good one, I just wonder that is all.

    • Huginn 14.1

      The husband is a Samoa-born former policeman wannabe oligarch and Collins has taken a huge hit on his account.

      There’s a lot of dog whistling going on to bring in the PI voters.

  13. tc 15

    Jude does her bit for the camera and off for a nice rest and some simmering rage at being caught and made to stand up in front of the class to tell the whole string of porkys one more time.

    Key has no choice but to tough it out, he’s in as donkey deep as she is, hell they all are.

    What a lovely albatross she’ll make adorning john philips chest in the run up to the GE

  14. Tom 16

    John Key must have had full disclosure from Collins. I’m assuming he knows everything, and is just keeping his fingers crossed that it doesn’t all come out under his watch.

  15. Redzone 17

    I’m thinking more lIke an annoying dog turd on keys shoe that he can’t get rid of.

    Collins is stuck till at least the election it now appears and will remain an excellent distraction in the lead up. Free hits as this isn’t going away any time soon.

    Keep trying to defend the undefendable key. You look weak, colluding and a double standard hypocrite.

  16. Penny Bright 18


    “Prime Minister John Key admits the sequence of events around Judith Collins’ dealings with Oravida in China does make it look as though the Justice Minister has done something wrong.

    But he maintains she hasn’t, and says documents released under the Official Information Act over the last few days prove she’s telling the truth.

    “People have been making allegations for a long time and actually none of them have had much basis to it,” Mr Key said on Firstline this morning.

    “Yes, we accept – and Judith accepts… the combination of events could lead to the perception of a conflict of interest.
    But outside of that, actually nothing has changed and nothing is inconsistent.”

    Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Documents-back-Collins-version-of-events—Key/tabid/1607/articleID/342920/Default.aspx#ixzz30vHbZ9nd

    What utter CRAP!

    Read this ‘Meeting Brief Oravida’ for yourself – it clearly shows that the ‘Visit and Tour of Oravida Facilities’, was pre-planned, and it’s stated ‘Purpose/Objective being:

    “To increase the profile of a successful importer and distributor of New Zealand products into China.”


    Small technical point – Minister of Justice Judith Collins’ husband is a Director of Oravida, and is owned by Mr Deyi (Stone) Shi, her close personal friend, as is fellow Director Julia Xu.

    Another small technical point – please note that the following photo, taken of both the Minister of Justice Judith Collins, and the NZ Ambassador to China, Carl Worker, attending the ‘visit and tour of Oravida Facilities’ on 23 October 2013, is STILL up on the Oravida Ltd website:


    “10/23/2013 NZ’s Minister of Justice and NZ’s China Ambassador visit Oravida Shanghai”


    2.87 No Minister should endorse in any media any product or service.


    2.89 When accepting an invitation, a Minister should inform the organisation that it may not:

    (a) use any photos taken of the Minister at the event; or
    (b) publicise the event,

    errr……. so – how is the ‘Visit and Tour of Oravida Facilities – not a CLEAR breach of the Cabinet Manual?


    In my considered opinion as an anti-corruption campaigner – this is a CORRUPT ‘conflict of interest’. which NZ Prime Minister John Key is trying to minimise and cover-up.

    I guess the Prime Minister can’t hold his Ministers accountable to the ‘highest ethical standards’ – if he doesn’t ‘lead from the front’ and practice these himself?

    CORRUPT Judith Collins protected by ‘shonky’ John Key?


    Conduct of Ministers

    2.52 A Minister of the Crown, while holding a ministerial warrant, acts in a number of different capacities:

    (a) in a ministerial capacity, making decisions, and determining and promoting policy within particular portfolios;

    (b) in a political capacity as a member of Parliament, representing a constituency or particular community of interest;

    (c) in a personal capacity.

    2.53 In all these roles and at all times, Ministers are expected to act lawfully and to behave in a way that upholds, and is seen to uphold, the highest ethical standards.

    Ultimately, Ministers are accountable to the Prime Minister for their behaviour.

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’.

  17. Treetop 19

    Nikki Kaye has just caught up with what is required for infant milk formula to be exported to China. Collins appears to have had a head start.

    Peters has pointed out that there is a difference in the way that NZ and China do business.

    How many Chinese companies have an off shore CEO?

    How many Chinese companies donate to the political party of the off shores CEO’s partner?

    How many border officials have a private dinner with the CEO and his partner when the CEO’s partner is in their country doing government business?

    Collins has embarrassed the NZ government and she may have put off the Chinese doing business with NZ as no one would want to be part of a side show/circus in another countries parliament.

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