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Fuck inequality! Fuck poverty! Fuck the Nat govt!

Written By: - Date published: 12:00 pm, August 8th, 2014 - 266 comments
Categories: cost of living, election 2014, internet mana party, john key, Metiria Turei, patriarchy, poverty, workers' rights - Tags:

There are sobering and harrowing stories coming out of Auckland Action Against Poverty’s Action Impact at Mangere this week.  Yesterday’s press release from AAAP, states:

“The number of people in need standing outside Mangere Work & Income early this morning was almost beyond belief,” says AAAP spokesperson Sue Bradford.

“Some had been here since 6am to get help from our advocates. There have been many hundreds overall.

“This morning one woman with a medical condition collapsed and had to be taken to hospital by ambulance. Two other people had ‘turns’ and were provided medical assistance on site.

“People are desperate. They come to the impact because they have been turned down for assistance in the past, aren’t getting what they’re entitled to or are simply too frightened to come into the office on their own.

“If most New Zealanders could see what’s happening here, they would be appalled at exactly how badly their government is letting so many of its citizens down.

“It is an indictment that Work & Income does not adequately support beneficiaries and unemployed people to get the assistance they need as a matter of course, so that when a group like ours turns up we are completely overrun.

Simon Buckingham’s post on the Daily Blog is a must read. He is a lawyer helping out with AAAP’s advocacy work with beneficiaries.

I grabbed a spare desk as one of two Lawyers who are assisting Auckland Action Against Poverty’s Impact Day, and my day began helping predominantly single mums who cannot name dad.

Before we begin, let me clarify. Last year when I was helping at the New Lynn WINZ office, I had the single mum who was sexually violated. She had her child, and WINZ wrongly started deducting the $20 per week for not naming the father. This was an error, as rape is the exemption, but this error had deducted $20 per week for ten years for being a victim. We managed to secure her a $10,000 rebate at a time that she needed the break!

This is an indictment on the current Paula Bennett-John Key driven system of dis-entitlement.  It is also testament to the continuing existence of compassion, care, collaborative flax roots efforts, and the human spirit under extreme pressure form those in power.  Buckingham reports that some of the WINZ staff have shown genuine compassion and been very helpful.

A couple of days ago, Metiria Turei had dropped by the Mangere Impact, to see for herself what was happening. She posted on Facebook:

Just been politely but firmly thrown out of the Mangere WINZ office. Ive been at the advocacy Impact at Mangere WINZ, talking with the advocates about the extent to which beneficiaries are still not getting their full entitlements. Then on the advice from the Ministers office, management asked that I leave. Protocols and all that. But for just this one hour I was transported back 25 years when I was doing this work. Nothing has changed for the better for people in need of some help. And needing help should not be an excuse for being treated like a second class citizen.

We will roll back these cruel welfare reforms. We will restore the principles of decency and justice in social security. National is hurting families. We have to make them stop.

I’m not sure what the “protocols” are that govern such days of advocacy.  However, Turei seems to have accepted the request to leave.  But she did have enough time to see for herself the struggles and the compassion.

Turei and Buckingham, like many others, are calling for  change of government, and new policies to “restore the principles of decency and justice”.

Yesterday’s video posted by AAAP, spells out the problems, the inequalities and the needs.  The Inequality gap cannot be just measured by comparisons of average incomes over time.  The biggest inequality gaps are seen when comparing the gaps between the richest and poorest 10% over time.  It includes the way income inequalities feed into wealth inequalities, which become very had to reverse.

The AAAP workers state on the video, that the Mangere Impact has shown even greater needs, dis-entitlement, and suffering than at the previous Impacts in Onehunga and New Lynn.

AAAP youtube video here.

AAAP advocate, Oliver Christellor, talks of the legal requirement that solo mothers name the child’s father. If they don’t, they get their benefit reduced by about $27.00 a week.  He idneitifies this as a human rights problem, because only women are penalised this way. Christellor says that the women are often not listened to.  Talking to them uncovers many reasons why they haven’t named the child’s father.

We have a government that doesn’t care about the struggles of the disempowered, the poor, or women generally:

This is the same John Key who is dismissive of the criticisms by women journalists for his blatantly sexist labeling of Laila Harre as Kim Dotcom’s “sugar daddy”.  He sucks in his breath as he stands by his statement as being “totally accurate”, while deliberately ignoring the sexual connotations of the “sugar daddy” phrase.

This is the leader of the same government that under-funds women’s refuges, and pressures women struggling to survive, to name fathers, even when it may endanger them.

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For the good of us all, and especially, for the good of those doing it really tough these days, VOTE LEFT this election! We are all in this together.

vote left 2014

266 comments on “Fuck inequality! Fuck poverty! Fuck the Nat govt!”

  1. infused 1

    Vote Positive guys!

    • karol 1.1

      Mate, in case you haven’t noticed – I’m not Labour.

      • silverbullet 1.1.1

        But your shouting vote Left so that includes Labour and the slogan “Vote Positive”.

        • just saying 1.1.1.1

          But your shouting vote Left so that includes Labour and the slogan “Vote Positive”.

          1. Debatable
          2. So….?
        • karol 1.1.1.2

          I’ll leave it to others to decide which parties will truly represent a return to traditional Left values.

          I leave it to others to decide which opposition parties they support. I’m not a member of any party and make my own choices of who I vote for, and the public statements I make about it.

          This year, I’m party voting Green. It has a whole raft of policies aimed at returning to a more caring and inclusive society, based on stated values of inclusion, collaborative approaches and fairness.

          I think the current government needs to be called out for the negative impacts of its policies and practices.

          If you are so much into positivity, what do you have to say about the negativity of bennie-bashing, calling a female political candidate “sugar daddy”, attacking youth (many of whom have given up on established politics) for expressing their anger at the current government?

          • Once was Pete 1.1.1.2.1

            I understood that the reference about ‘Sugar Daddy’ was about Laila Harre being funded by Dotcom. This seems to me to be just a plain statement of fact. I would go further and ask just what more Harre has to do for her not to be considered a ‘political whore’? The Alliance, the Greens, and now bought and paid for by Dotcom. Certainly the way she left the Greens was less than classy. I deplore people who have taken money off someone/party to do work and then seem to think it is their intellectual property. Nope, Harre has left the high ground and headed for a morass.
            As for the comment about attacking youth this is just nonsense. Harre/Dotcom have taken NZ politics to a new low with their nazi style orchestrated meetings. Attacking NZ youth? Baloney!

            • karol 1.1.1.2.1.1

              So,, you still don’t get why calling a female MP a “political whore” or being kept by a “sugar daddy” is misogynist?

              I wouldn’t use the word “whore” as a term to disparage anyone.

              • Populuxe1

                Not that men can have sugar daddies or anything…

              • Once was Pete

                It is not a question, of ‘getting it’ or not. It is a question of whether or not the thrust of the comment is true, and clearly it is.
                If you read what I said, I didn’t call Harre a whore. I asked the question what more would she have to do to be considered a ‘political whore’.The modern usage of the word ‘whore’ includes someone who has compromised their position for personal gain. Tell me how Laila Harre doesn’t fit that meaning! So I think you are being cute hiding behind accusations of misogynism where none exist.

            • weka 1.1.1.2.1.2

              “Certainly the way she left the Greens was less than classy. I deplore people who have taken money off someone/party to do work and then seem to think it is their intellectual property.”

              Please explain that, preferably with some evidence.

              • Once was Pete

                Weka, were you a school teacher in a past life? All you need to do is read the papers from the time where Harre’s ‘theft’ of Green party policy was discussed in full. She announced similar policy to the Greens before the Greens could make their own policy announcements, and then she claimed it as her own IP. What a joke. What ever respect I ever had for her has well gone. The Greens were quite obviously displeased.

                • weka

                  citation or it didn’t happen. I tend not to take the MSM’s word for things so would like to see if for myself.

                  “All you need to do is read the papers from the time”

                  Do you mean late last year?

                  • Once was Pete

                    No, I don’t mean last year. This was widely covered, after Harre joined IMP. She was also widely quoted on the issue. Is this like the moon landing – if you didn’t actually see it, it didn’t happen, because I have neither the time or the patience to trawl through back issues of the papers to find something everyone who follows politics knows happened.

                    • weka

                      At the time Harre joined the IP, Turei wished her well. I saw some third party speculation about rifts and problems, but nothing that had any meaning. It wouldn’t surprise me if there were some hurt feelings, and even some conflict, but I think you have overstated the case as a way of making a policial point, which is why I want back up. You’ve actually made some pretty serious allegations as well, which also require back up (eg theft of intellectual property).

                      My problem with what you are saying is that it is sufficiently vague that it looks like your interpretation of things rather than fact. That’s why I want you to link to something so I can understand what you mean. You should be able find someting in google pretty easily. Or you could post in Open Mike and see if anyone supports your view eg “everyone who follows politics knows happened.”

                    • karol

                      My recollection is that was all speculation on the part of journalists. There was no evidence of property theft.

                      I recall Harre saying something like these were issues she had been focused on since before she worked for the Greens.

            • mickysavage 1.1.1.2.1.3

              You can tell how desperate the right are. They are getting that desperate we may have to extend Goodwin’s law to the MSM …

              • Once was Pete

                If you are referring to my comment then you are wrong, I am definitely not right wing, but if it makes you more comfortable to label me and therefore dismiss my comments then that is fine by me.
                I do note that senior Labour MP’s have declared their displeasure at the very thing I commented on, and they have my respect for that.
                Do you think it is a coincidence that Keys hoardings have been defaced by nazi style anti semitism?

            • Murray Olsen 1.1.1.2.1.4

              Once was Pete and still is moran:

              What the hell is a nazi style orchestrated meeting? I’ve watched video of the Nuremberg Rallies and they looked nothing like anything on that video.

              • Once was Pete

                Murray, you do know how to spell ‘moron’ don’t you? You do know that the IMP video was edited, and didn’t show the orchestration of the crowd? You do know that senior labour MP’s have now declared their distaste for the very thing I commented on don’t you?

                • weka

                  Google ‘moran’ if you want to understand the reference. At this point in time ‘moran’ also appears to be in use as a way of reinforcing that the person it is applied to is a double moron for not understanding the moran reference. Won’t last though, it will be in the general lexicon eventually.

                  • Once was Pete

                    Well, an alternate language for the illiterate. Who would have thunk?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Shorthand for “so bad it’s not even wrong”. Have you retained any dim awareness of the fact that language changes and new words are introduced to the lexicon with each new dictionary reprint?

                      I suggest you track down the source of this particular new word, it will clue you in to how people here see you.

        • Clemgeopin 1.1.1.3

          Voting against National and the other RWN jobs IS positive!

      • JanMeyer 1.1.2

        Yes we know that, but the Karol most of us know and appreciate (even if we may disagree with) would not normally frame her arguments with the profanity now firmly associated with the Internet Mana Party

        • karol 1.1.2.1

          Maybe it would help for you to consider I would take such an unusual step? Including considering I have not now, nor ever been a cheerleader for IMP.

          Hint: It’s all in the post.

    • Mary 1.2

      Labour supports national’s welfare reforms.

      • dave 1.2.1

        no they fucken don’t is raising the minimum wage support nationals welfare reform is paying liveing wage supporting national welfare reforms is repealing 3 month sack without reason supporting national is paying 60 dollars per child supporting national where the hell do go off making such a stupid statement of ignorance Mary

      • Murray Olsen 1.2.2

        They haven’t promised anything to suggest they don’t. Luckily Mana and the Greens recognise that welfare is in a shocking state and will do something to fix it.

  2. just saying 2

    Fuck inequality! Fuck poverty! Fuck the Nat govt!

    Exactly. Say it proud.
    God knows, nothing else has gotten through.

  3. Mr Nobody 3

    “WINZ wrongly started deducting the $20 per week for not naming the father. This was an error, as rape is the exemption, but this error had deducted $20 per week for ten years for being a victim.”

    10 years so that would mean that the original decision was when Labour were in Government right?

    • karol 3.1

      That’s true. Contrary to what many on the right say about the last Labour-led government, it did tighten the screws a bit on beneficiaries.

      The current government took it to a whole new level of bennie-bashing.

      NZ does need a return to older principles of a caring and inclusive society.

      • Macro 3.1.1

        And there is nothing Labour have said as far as I am aware, that they intend to reverse their tight fisted and unsympathetic attitude to beneficiaries in the short term future either, which is one of the many reasons why I will not be voting for them. History judges Governments by the way they treat the most vulnerable in society. The first Labour Govt saw the needs of the poor and immediately on taking the treasury benches did something about it with 100 pound bonus and the introduction of the child benefit. The situation for many families across NZ is just as dire as it was in the 1930’s – but we hear nothing. A $2 increase in the minimum wage is not even a liveable wage. Pushing the retirement age out to 67 may sound “fiscally responsible” to those who can afford it. But to many who are in physically demanding work or struggling in mentally exhausting work places that extra two years is an extra two years of purgatory.

        • phillip ure 3.1.1.1

          @ macro..

          “..And there is nothing Labour have said as far as I am aware, that they intend to reverse their tight fisted and unsympathetic attitude to beneficiaries in the short term future either..”

          ..+ 1..

          • tricledrown 3.1.1.1.1

            Philip you still Don’t understand MMP or New Zealands attitudes why do you think we have had more right wing govt’s in the last seventy years its mainly to do with lack of unity on the left!

            • JRyan 3.1.1.1.1.1

              Really, lack of unity. Maybe something to do with actual policy?

            • Macro 3.1.1.1.1.2

              “why do you think we have had more right wing govt’s in the last seventy years”

              It’s more to do with the amoral and stupid attitude of NZers generally.

              But then people get the governments they deserve.

              If the people want to be punitive (NZ has the second highest imprisonment rate in the Western World after USA) and tight arsed, they elect punitive and tight arsed govt’s.

              Doesn’t mean it’s the best or fairest way though.

              • Colonial Viper

                Also somewhat to do with a Left which hasn’t got its shit together and hasn’t got a broad vision and agenda that enough people can get in behind.

        • alwyn 3.1.1.2

          Can you please explain what you mean by the statement
          “The first Labour Govt saw the needs of the poor and immediately on taking the treasury benches did something about it with 100 pound bonus “.
          This seems to imply that everyone, or at least all the unemployed got 100 pounds

          The only bonus I am aware of was a total amount of 100,000 pounds that was to be split up among all the unemployed and all the people on relief work. I don’t know the full details but if it was evenly allocated that would mean about 25 shillings each ($2.50)

          As far as the child benefit goes it was first introduced in New Zealand in 1926, long before the first Labour Government. I don’t believe they modified it until the Social Security Act of 1938, which is hardly immediately after taking the Treasury benches.

          • Macro 3.1.1.2.1

            The family benefit was for children above the age of two and means tested. The child allowance as introduced by the 1st Labour Govt applied to all children.

            Yes it was the unemployed and those on charitable support who got the Christmas bonus.

            and you are correct – it was the 100 thousand ponds total. A small (by todays standards) but significant sum in those days.

      • Mary 3.1.2

        I would say a bit more than just tighten the screws a bit. Labour abolished the special benefit in 2004, introduced the ability to work test people on the invalid’s benefit and then voted with the government on the latest nasty big round of welfare reform just a few months ago. Labour crucifies beneficiaries.

      • Stifflittlefinger 3.1.3

        Robbing the rich to give to lazy bastards who think they can sit on their backside and stick their hands out to the Govt. We live in a fantastic country where if you want you can be your own made man/woman.
        All it takes is a bit of get up and go, which is sadly something that the left are positively missing.

        • Colonial Viper 3.1.3.1

          Dream on mate, there’s no such thing as a self made man. For starters, no man ever pushed himself out of his mother’s womb without a bit of help.

        • Draco T Bastard 3.1.3.2

          Robbing the rich to give to lazy bastards who think they can sit on their backside and stick their hands out to the Govt.

          Yeah, the lazy bastards like Rio Tinto and Warner Bros and farmers and the rich generally. They all steal from the rest of us.

        • Tracey 3.1.3.3

          yyea

          fuck warners
          fuck rio tinto

    • mickysavage 3.2

      “INZ wrongly started deducting the $20 per week for not naming the father. This was an error, as rape is the exemption, but this error had deducted $20 per week for ten years for being a victim”

      “10 years so that would mean that the original decision was when Labour were in Government right?”

      Honest I am sure that the Labour Minister in charge of Social Security would be mortified at this decision. But it was obviously made at public servant level by someone who made a mistake. This is not political, it is a bad public service decision. I am pleased that Simon managed to get the arrears paid.

  4. Blue 4

    The positivity is almost breathtaking. Stay on track there team, I’m sure middle New Zealand will be impressed.

    • karol 4.1

      “Middle New Zealand” is already not listening to those on the margins, or to the young. So, no change there.

      The message to John Key is more about the politically disengaged, the disenfranchised, the marginalsied and the already powerless.

      There’s negativity coming from key and those claiming to be for “Middle New Zealand”: negativity towards beneficiaries, women and the young.

      The positive message is for a change to a government that cares about all Kiwis.

      • silverbullet 4.1.1

        Well if you have given up on middle NZ, aren’t you preaching to the converted? I guess this is more a mobilisation campaign to get the true believers out on voting day, which is fair enough.

        As a tax payer I want to know who the fathers are of these kids I am now paying to raise. Then those fathers can be made to take financial responsibility and my tax dollars can be put to better use . The whole idea of Welfare is for it to be some kind of social SAFETY NET. It is not there to create or cultivate a lifestyle of dependency – women expecting the tax payer to raise their kids for them.

        • marty mars 4.1.1.1

          How would you like your tax dollars to be better used – rather than helping out the disadvantaged and those needing assistance.

          • silverbullet 4.1.1.1.1

            There are too many using the DPB as a tax payer financed life style choice. How do you propose reducing that expense?

            There are million other things that tax payer money can go on – education, health, conservation, infrastructure, R&D etc etc.

            • marty mars 4.1.1.1.1.1

              “There are too many using the DPB as a tax payer financed life style choice.”

              A great line that just isn’t true – although if 1 person did that it could be argued that is too many. Your weapon is directed at the wrong people – aim at those who deliberately keep people in poverty and aim at those who deliberately keep people disadvantaged.

              • RedBaronCV

                More correctly I think there are too many absent parents using the DPB as a taxpayer financed lifestyle choice as they avoid paying for their kids. The kids and parents on the DPB arn’t having anything remotely like a lifestyle choice.

                And it’s worst at the top end of town, money hidden in Trusts and companies -rich absentees don’t pay

            • Tracey 4.1.1.1.1.2

              ” 5. Most of the people on welfare are unmarried mothers – many of them teenagers – who have extra children so that they can get more money

              This is a hoary old myth that combines the resentment of beneficiaries in general, with prurient resentment of the sexy young having too much sex. In fact, the US and New Zealand evidence is that young people are having less sex, later than their parents’ generation.

              The Salvation Army’s recently published State of the Nation report contains similar positive findings for New Zealand :

              Teenage pregnancies and abortions have fallen during 2009, which is perhaps welcome news that there are fewer unplanned pregnancies. The number of 11–14 year olds giving birth or having an abortion dropped from 122 in 2008, to 108 in 2009….Although this decline is on a very small base, this number of pregnancies is the lowest in at least eight years. For older teenagers aged 15-19 years old, there was a 10% decline in the rate of pregnancies between 2008 and 2009

              Such figures help contradict Key’s scaremongering use of the young as a pretext for welfare reform. More to the point, the NZ figures on DPB recipients do not bear out Key’s specific assertion about ‘significant numbers of very young women going onto the DPB and staying there for a lifetime.”

              In fact, only 3.1 % of those on the DPB are under 20 years of age – and that figure has barely flickered since 2005, when the figure was 2.9 %. Put another way, 97% of the people on the DPB are NOT the ‘very young women’ of Key’s lurid imagination. There are in fact, significantly more people on the DPB over 55 years of age (5.6%) than there are ‘very young women’ receiving this benefit.

              The vast bulk of DPB recipients (nearly 75%) are what you would expect : they are aged between 25 and 54. Some 61% of them are caring for children six years or under – a figure that, again, has barely changed since 2005. Nearly half are caring for two or more dependent children.

              Many of these women are caring for children alone because of a marriage breakdown, which is rarely a lifestyle choice. They have not only borne the opportunity cost of foregoing career opportunities to raise a family but are also now doing the bulk of the parenting alone and – if one can believe the child support payment figures – very often without the financial support that is due to them. Even so, more DPB recipients are engaged in part-time work (16%) than those on the dole. Far from being left at home to look after their children in ways that low income workers cannot, people on the DPB have since last September, faced a regime of work tesing.

              These are the women that the WWG and the Key government want to stigmatise? Even Paula Bennett’s own department doesn’t believe the real problem here is a lack of personal motivation, or an absence of strong incentives. The Social Development Department’s December fact sheet on the DPB blames the economy instead :

              The number of clients receiving a Domestic Purposes Benefit at the end of December decreased from 106,000 to 98,000 between 2005 and 2007, then increased to reach 113,000 in 2010. This pattern reflects changes in economic conditions. (My emphasis.)

              One further crucial piece of evidence shows there is no social or economic crisis in the country’s current DPB figures. The ratio of those on the DPB – if taken as a percentage of the working age population – was actually lower in December 2010 (at just over 4%) than it was when National left office in 2000, when the figure was heading for 5%.

              ” Gordon campbell

            • Tracey 4.1.1.1.1.3

              how do to public health workers? How do you explain the rockstar economy only offering a pay increase of 0.7%

            • Minarch 4.1.1.1.1.4

              “There are too many using the DPB as a tax payer financed life style choice”

              this is so retarded it is “not even wrong”*

              *The phrase implies that not only is someone not making a valid point in a discussion, but they don’t even understand the nature of the discussion itself, or the things that need to be understood in order to participate.

        • The Al1en 4.1.1.2

          “I want to know who the fathers are of these kids I am now paying to raise.”
          “women expecting the tax payer to raise their kids for them.”

          Missing the point completely that you’re not raising these children adequately, but keeping them in a state of poverty, and (willfully) ignoring corporate welfare, tax dodgers and the like as greater drains on the tax pool, there are a raft of reasons why there are absent fathers and non disclosed names on birth certificates, none more serious than violence for example, or death.

          It should be noted that when a mother claims a benefit on behalf of the child in her care, if the father is named and working, he will be, unless sorted by private arrangement, be paying full formula awarded child support through ird. The real disgrace is that this amount is not directly paid to the carer, only a small portion is, making a mockery of the system as a whole.

          “The whole idea of Welfare is for it to be some kind of social SAFETY NET”

          Quite right, yet what we are seeing from the examples given above, is that the system is failing our vulnerable children. The net, it has big holes and the littlest fall through the gaps.
          What’s needed is compassion, not right wing, I’m all right Jack, bullsh!t.

          “tax payer financed life style choice”

          See above re right wing bullsh!t.

        • Tracey 4.1.1.3

          havent you heard, child maintenance is unfair and isnt chased hard as a result, so knowing the father is an excuse…

          • adam 4.1.1.3.1

            One thing that use to piss off the Aussies back in the day, was the number of kiwi males who had done a bunk to Aussie. Oh wait 170 odd years since white settlement and the same old shit still happening.

      • lurgee 4.1.2

        “Middle New Zealand” is already not listening to those on the margins, or to the young. So, no change there.

        Without Middle New Zealand, you won’t get anywhere near power in a generation.

  5. Zorr 5

    Originally I thought that maybe the calls of “F*** John Key” were somehow inappropriate and that they should have been more demure in their approach.

    Then I remembered that it is exactly what I am yelling almost every night already, just they’re doing it in public now.

    Roll on the concern trolls… because f*** ‘em all.

    • karol 5.1

      Indeed, Zorr. I think people probably don’t see me as someone who uses swear words/expletives in my posts and comments. And I wouldn’t be inclined to go to a rock show that involved loud chanting, and probably am unlikely to go to an IMP political rally. But I’m also not in the demographics that are most disenfranchised and politically disconnected.

      Trying to censor their choice of language, and to squash their expressions of anger is not necessary or desirable in a democracy.

      And, I do recall in my younger days, enthusiastically dancing & singing along to songs such as the following:

      “I am an anarchist!”

      “God save the queen, the fac1st regime…”

      “Oh Bondage! Up yours!”

      and joining in various anti-Thatcher chants on demos.

      • Dumrse 5.1.1

        Your puerile headlines are a huge statement about you but do nothing for any political argument.

        • karol 5.1.1.1

          So you have nothing to say about poverty, inequality and the way Key’s government have dealt with it? Some people might say that says something about you….?

          I have written loads of posts that are critical of the degree of inequality, poverty, John Key, The Nats etc, using relatively polite language in the title.

          They never seem to get the support of right wingers who come here. There’s always reasons given for poverty and inequality denial, diverting from the topic, etc. If not the language, then something else…..

        • Puddleglum 5.1.1.2

          Your puerile headlines are a huge statement about you but do nothing for any political argument.

          What about puerile pseudonyms, Dumrse?

          And puerile names for blog sites (WOBH)?

    • Tracey 5.2

      i am trying to work out if i understand this correctly

      Saying fuck john key is wrong and like hitlers germany
      Lying and deliberately misleading the electorate since 2008 is ok

  6. Puckish Rogue 6

    The more posts like this I see the more confident I am of a National-led government

    • karol 6.1

      And the poor, the struggling and impoverished in South Auckland? The extent of their suffering doesn’t bother you?

      • Puckish Rogue 6.1.1

        No more then the poor, the struggling and impoverished anywhere else in NZ and thats why the best hope for these people and NZ are a National-led government

        If Labour was as strong as National then it’d be fine if they were in power because the influence of the nutter parties would be minimal but Labours too weak so the influence of the nut bar parties will be strong and thats not good for NZ

        • Macro 6.1.1.1

          “No more then the poor, the struggling and impoverished anywhere else in NZ and thats why the best hope for these people and NZ are a National-led government”

          Are you for real??

          On Planet Key maybe.

          Just to recall – The number of unemployed in this country has RISEN by 32,000 since 2008 – and is not expected to decrease to zero until 2018 at the earliest as projected by Treasury on the current economic “programme” as “run” by National. (National actually have no economic policy other than to stand back and see what happens.)

          That’s at least 32,000 more who either are on a Benefit, or living on someones couch. or on the street.

          Benefits HAVE NOT kept pace with CPI which is actually NOT a good descriptor of costs for someone on low and inadequate income. (I began my working career working on the CPI in the research dept of statistics). Beneficiaries are far worse off now than they were in 2008. Low paid are in the same boat – many have had no pay increase in several years, only the minimum wage increase.

          It is the “Nut bar” parties that will demand that Labour actually get off their butt and do something about it and the stronger their voice the more that will be done.

          • john 6.1.1.1.1

            Nonsense.

            Over the last 15 years –

            • the CPI has gone up 43%
            • the minimum wage has gone up 104%

              ($7hr in 1999, $14.25 today)

            You posts reminds us that in the heads of those on Planet Labour, the global financial crisis never happened.

            • McFlock 6.1.1.1.1.1

              so your response to comments about benefit rates and CPI since 2008 is to quote minimum wage changes and CPI since 1999?

              You’re a fucking genius /sarc

              • john

                Irrelevant – since 2008 the minimum wage has gone up TWICE as fast as the CPI.

                Minimum wage has gone up 27% (a $3 increase on $11.25)
                CPI has gone up 14%

                • Macro

                  For the low waged and poor the CPI is an irrelevant number – their costs escalate far more than the CPI. Take rental costs, electricity, and fuel, for a start. These are the main necessary expenditures for those at the bottom – if they are lucky. Clothing food and other items become a “nice to have”.

                  You obviously have no idea john – so STFU.

                • Macro

                  As for your abuse of statistics – I will just refer you to Disraeli

                  “There are lies damned lies and statistics”

                  and your last abuse of %ages is one of them.

                  Percentages have no meaning when used in the way you have way – it is an abuse of a simple mathematical device which should be used to compare one proportion of a unique grouping with another – but obviously you are a mathematical imbecile.

                • McFlock

                  minimum wage is irrelevant to a comment about benefit rates.

                  even if you do insist on using the Lab5 2008 minimum wage increase to subsidise national’s woeful efforts.

                • Local Kiwi

                  john, or Mr Key,
                  Do you think we average NZ public here are simple idiots, you pull this shit out of your cooked books and tell us the CPI has not risen as fast as Minimum wages, who quoted this, Treasury?

                  Then why do you ignore why countless times the treasury have warned you to change your policies when you operate outside the prescribed directives of treasury forecasting, and you say “we don’t think that they have got it right?”

                  We don’t believe your bullshit because you have never remembered many things you promised like we don’t want to see you tenants in your own land!
                  Remember saying that?

                  You borrowed 56 Billion of crown debt and the percentage compared to the GDP has gone from 6% in 2007 to 26% under your sell it all right wing regime.

                  Don’t tell so many lies, and begin to repent, as you seem to have a disgust of the Kiwi citizen today, whereas the UK P.M. has honoured their citizens for bearing the negative affects
                  of the Global economic crash but you just rubbish us so who is negative here eh?

                  Honour the Kiwi not your crooked mates, or pay the consequences.

      • TightyRighty 6.1.2

        what you don’t seem to understand is what you want, will vote for and stridently believe needs to happen will extend the suffering to more people.

        • Macro 6.1.2.1

          That is so much bullshit – it’s hardly worth responding too.

          About time you actually went away and studied some real economics – Not the fairy tales of your neo-liberal ideology.

  7. Karen 7

    Thanks for this post Karol. The treatment of beneficiaries in this country, particularly women on DPB, is something I find extremely distressing.

    When I was at University in the 1980s I had a holiday job in Social Welfare (as WINZ was called back then). While some of the staff were anti beneficiary, most would try to ensure that everyone did get all their entitlements. This changed in the 1990s after the benefit cuts, when the National government encouraged beneficiary bashing. Most of the people I knew that had tried to treat people fairly found other jobs.

    We need a government that is willing to take care of the most disadvantaged in this society, not one that puts the boot at every opportunity.

    So, yeah, fuck the Nacts.

    • Chooky 7.1

      +100 Karen and karol

    • Roflcopter 7.2

      You’re fucking delusional if you think the Nats of today are anything like the Nats of the 90’s, the Nats of today are Labour Fucking Lite, and have only tinkered around the fucking edges.

      Just checking… am I doing this fucking “fucking” thing right?

      • McFlock 7.2.1

        yeah, just use it like punctuation. It seems to fuck some people off.

        I’m not so sure that nats today are better than ruthenasia – after all, lab5 maybe slowed the car, but didn’t reverse back a dramatic distance. Nats have changed back to “drive” and put their foot down again.

        • weka 7.2.1.1

          Interesting Rofl. I think of the current lot as like Labour in the 80s. Pushing through so much radical change, doing it smartly and in ways that are hard to resist. Ways that allow the country to sit by and let it happen. Again. Whereas the 90s NACTs were too brazen and got themselves a lot of protest and resistance.

    • Stuart Munro 7.3

      Same thing happened to ACC. They used to do their job. Don’t now.

  8. dale 8

    After living in South Auckland for many years all I can say is that the majority of beneficiaries have created their own misery. Time to get off your fat arises and improve your own lives and stop blaming everyone else. Karol incase you didn’t notice unemployment ic down to 5.6%. And the lady that was raped very sad but being on a benefit for 10 years is a disgrace.

    • karol 8.1

      Thanks for your compassion. So you think a woman who is a survivor of rape, and has a young child as a result of it, should just get out and work?

      Thanks you for your compassion.

      Unemployment is till high. Did you not read the bit of my post about the inequality gap between the top and bottom 10%, as opposed to quoting averages.

      The general unemployment stats can be misleading. Under-employment is up. Unemployment is still very high. Many people don’t feature in the unemployment stats because they have been kicked off benefits…etc, etc.

    • stever 8.2

      I thought that the majority of beneficiaries are pensioners, and if you add those on working for families, well….

      The rest is peanuts.

      • weka 8.2.1

        lolz. I’m not sure what’s wrong with being on the DPB for ten years. Who else is supposed to raise the child? Or should the woman have been forced to marry?

        • TightyRighty 8.2.1.1

          how many single working mums would agree with you? typical chauvinistic approach of the male hard left. you think woman are only good for staying home and looking after kids. no way could they balance family life and a job, poor wee things according to you weka. so you think a decade of an indulgent allowance is a good thing to keep woman in the home?

          • weka 8.2.1.1.1

            lolz, I’m a feminist you dick, who supports women to have choices. So if women want to work and have someone else raise their children, they can. Or if they want to stay at home and raise their kids themselves they can. Or a bit of both. But we, society, need to make sure that some of those women aren’t disadvantaged by society. You obviously have pretty much no understanding of the realities of life on the DPB for women other than your dogmatic ideology, but anyway here’s the thing. Some women on the DPB have no other supports in their life, and given there aren’t enough jobs to go around and many employers won’t tolerate working mothers who have children with needs, there is little choice for them.

            Some of the solutions to this are,

            free access to contraception and abortion

            lower unemployment and improve work conditions, including job security beyond casual work

            better funding for childcare

            reinstate training incentive allowance, and travel allowances

            fix the appalling abatement issue for beneficiaries

          • tricledrown 8.2.1.1.2

            TA Stay Married to abusive husbands That tighty puts in a good word for!
            Or get the working for families you call communism by stealth .
            The DPB is paid to Men as well Tighty to lump all women in the same category is sexist to.

          • tricledrown 8.2.1.1.3

            The average stay of people( that is men and women it is sexist to claim only women claim the DPB) on the DPB under labour was 2 years National 7 years

          • tricledrown 8.2.1.1.4

            Numbers on the DPB under labour 84,000 up to 114,000 last figures i saw under National!

    • anker 8.3

      Dale @ 8. I do not know the young woman in question, who you say should be working after 10 years.

      What I do know is that victims of rape are by far the most likely to develop PTSD of all trauma victims. This includes combat victims.

      PTSD is a very serious major mental illness that compromises people’s ability to function. It is possible this young woman has PTSD. If this is the case your comments that it is a disgrace that she is on a benefit are almost unbearably cruel.

      Personally I think it is a disgrace that we have men who rape and that there isn’t more understanding of the profound effect this has on victims.

    • Descendant Of Sssmith 8.4

      Tell us Dale what you think about the ever increasing number of NZS claimaints who are working fulltime.

      I know several earning over $70,000 per year getting NZS.

      Are they bludgers?

      And if you’ve worked and paid taxes for x years and ended up on a benefit are you a bludger despite having paid your taxes?

      And if you are a young person just left school but can’t find a job are you a bludger?

      How long is it before you become a bludger? Do you have to have paid a certain amount in tax?

      What if you have an intellectual disability – are you a bludger then?

      What if you don’t live in South Auckland or are skinny – does that remove from the bludger group?

      What if you’re not blaming everyone?

      What if people like you keep calling me a loser and I start believing it and spiral into depression (we’re just a bag of chemicals really) am I a bludger then?

    • Tracey 8.5

      17% of ACT MPs have been convicted of crimes of deceit

  9. dale 9

    Things were no better under Labour. So whats your fucking point?

    • karol 9.1

      Actually things were better under the last Labour government, though they were far from perfect.

      I said way more than that in my post.

      Do you have anything more to say about those struggling to survive in the poorest sections of society?

      Where’s your compassion?

    • weka 9.2

      Things were better under Labour, but we can do do even better than that.

      • phillip ure 9.2.1

        “..Things were better under Labour,..”

        ..factcheck:..

        not for the poorest they weren’t..

        ..clark did nothing for the non-working poor/families..

        ..in fact she made things worse..

        …by getting rid of the ‘special allowances’ those living in special circumstances could apply for..

        ..all in the name of that (faux) neo-lib mantra..’the level playing field’..

        ..an artificial construct..if ever there was one…

        • weka 9.2.1.1

          It’s true that Labour did serious structural shit like getting rid of Special Benefit, and not allowing Working for Families for beneficiaries. But within the department, WINZ is generally a better experience under Labour govts than NACT ones. One example is that under the last Labour govt, the use of the term ‘entitlement’ was used by staff, whereas prior to that, you were allowed to talk about entitlement and it was all about what WINZ would deign to grant you. That doesn’t sound like much, but it was a significant shift. Of course, some describe this as NACT stabbing you in the front while Lab stab you in the back, and for sure Labour have a lot to answer for in that time.

          • phillip ure 9.2.1.1.1

            “..But within the department, WINZ is generally a better experience under Labour govts than NACT ones…”

            the thumbscrews on half a turn less..?

            • weka 9.2.1.1.1.1

              Actualy no. Not sure how much you have had to do with the dept phil, but the difference between managers who believe that beneficiaries have entitlements and those that believe that beneficiaries are at best people who need a stick to motivate them or at worst are scum is much wider than you are portraying.

              • “..Not sure how much you have had to do with the dept phil..”

                ..thru’ an unplanned pregnancy..at a time in my life when i had other plans..(fatherhood again not amongst them..)

                ..i had to ditch those plans to raise my son..

                ..and i have raised my son on a d.p.b..

                ..i know of what i speak..

                ..i cd write a thesis on the subject..

                ..and yes..this crew is shit..

                ..but clark-labour were little better..

  10. Mainlander 10

    What the hell is wrong with this blog these days its starting to resemble that revolting hate blog by Bradbury, like a lot of people i chose to come here to learn and to see the Vote Positive message coming across in posts and commentators opinions yet what do we actually see more and more rabid and disgusting comments, if you think this is the way to gain more support or to make up swing voters minds then i believe you are sadly mistaken, .Com and Laila have seriously underestimated just how his lastest stunt has backfired and sadly The Standard seems to be going down the same path which to me is a great shame and a missed oppertunity to rise above the filth

    • weka 10.1

      What specifically are you objecting to? The use of the word ‘fuck’?

      • Mainlander 10.1.1

        Not if that is the way someone chooses to get their message across, but i dont see the point in saying fk this fk that fk you or John Key or anyone for that matter, making a rational and well thought out comment is a lot more powerful than a profanity filled post, my evidence to this is strewn throughout the Open Mike, maybe some of those comments had great points in them i dont know they get the autoskim from me, maybe they do from many others as well, maybe it even stops people coming here at all ?
        I admire David Cunliffe for sticking to the “positive” message and believe it will serve him well as the election draws closer, how about a post positive campaign- This is not a personal attack just my views.
        Yeah i know “tell him hes dreaming”

        • weka 10.1.1.1

          I agree it’s great that DC and Labour are running the positive thing. Frees the rest of us up to be more honest and direct. There is a place for both and both are needed. It’s about context and appropriateness.

          It’s fine if you don’t like the word fuck. Don’t read the post, and don’t engage with the IMP. But the IMP know who they are talking to, and when their constiuents use the word fuck, it’s appropriate. It’s not like it’s the Governer General or Mother Teresa or someone reading the 6 O’clock news. This was a room full of young people at a dance party cum political rally. The word fuck is appropriate.

          Likewise karol’s follow up. It connects us all in our determination to put a stop to the destruction of NZ.

          And what Ssssmith says below. We can all use languate devoid of profanity in much more demeaning and damaging ways.

        • anker 10.1.1.2

          mainlander at 10.1.1. 1000+

          As I said on a previous post if that had of been Labour with DC saying F’ John K, every person and their dog would have been criticizing Labour.

          I don’t like that Kim D C did that . My personal view. I had thought he was staying out of the campaign and leaving it to the professional politicians.

          Its like the beat up over Labour and IMP. Labour have made their call, a good % of their party support this. People on some posts have talked of it being Labour’s fault if we loose the election because of it. Kelvin D made some bad judgement call. Labour HQ dealt with it well. Kelvin made a great call to donate funds from WO and Farrar to Rape crisis.

          Kim D C is a risk. I am pleased Labour are staying seperate. They have some amazing well thought through and well costed policies.

          • Mainlander 10.1.1.2.1

            Thank you anker, the reality is there are a lot of people out there that automatically associate the IMP party with Labour and at this late stage of the game who needs the msm to go on another anti Cunliffe campaign, we all know he is only one mis-word away from that happening anyway why give them the ammo, KDC should find a new on-line game to play and vanish for a few weeks

            • weka 10.1.1.2.1.1

              There is already a contiuous anti DC campaign in the MSM. Time to push back.

          • Local Kiwi 10.1.1.2.2

            Anker, What is a professional politician?

            Have you watched the corrosive spectacle that was parliament?

            Is that “professional”?

            No Mainlander we don’t buy the argument that it is us left wing folk that brought the hate campaign to media it was the corrosive conduct of our employees “the Professional politician”.

            We sincerely hope for all our sakes the Government changes or the corrosion from National will turn this once peaceful land into a bed of hostility.

            Remember the gap between rich and poor is widening every day, and the middle class id shrinking. So be positive a change of Government is coming.

            • anker 10.1.1.2.2.1

              Ok local Kiwi fair comment…i.e. what do I mean by professional politicians and your point is certainly taken about parliament. I attended the final session last week or whenever and was disgusted by in particular Bill English, but was impressed by the Greens. Your point it taken.

              But what I was trying to get at by a “Professional politician” is someone who has had experience in Parliament, government, the public service or Cabinet. I think people such as Key who came into politics with no political background and then rose very quickly are problematic. I think Steven Sackur (Hardtalk) really challenged Key about this and the fact that he had never been a Mayor or had any such background and I think it is valid.

              I think the same applies to Kim.Dot Com. I had thought he wasn’t going to be involved with the party, but correct me if I am wrong. I am not comfortable with him. My opinion.

              It would be great if codes of conduct could improve the “professional politician”. In my view JK govt has made this worse with corruption and lack of accountability etc, etc, etc.

              I am waiting, hoping a doing what I can for a change of government.

            • anker 10.1.1.2.2.2

              Ok local Kiwi fair comment…i.e. what do I mean by professional politicians and your point is certainly taken about parliament. I attended the final session last week or whenever and was disgusted by in particular Bill English, but was impressed by the Greens. Your point it taken.

              But what I was trying to get at by a “Professional politician” is someone who has had experience in Parliament, government, the public service or Cabinet. I think people such as Key who came into politics with no political background and then rose very quickly are problematic. I think Steven Sackur (Hardtalk) really challenged Key about this and the fact that he had never been a Mayor or had any such background and I think it is valid.

              I think the same applies to Kim.Dot Com. I had thought he wasn’t going to be involved with the party, but correct me if I am wrong. I am not comfortable with him. My opinion.

              It would be great if codes of conduct could improve the “professional politician”. In my view JK govt has made this worse with corruption and lack of accountability etc, etc, etc.

              I am waiting, hoping a doing what I can for a change of government.

        • phillip ure 10.1.1.3

          @ mainlander..

          ..so that odious little rightwing-trout ‘chippy’ hipkins coming out and calling dotcom ‘a thug’..

          ..and spewing and venting all over the place..

          ..with that other odious rightwing oink cosgrove flying wingman for him..?

          ..this is that ‘positive’ message you speak/dream of..?

    • Descendant Of Sssmith 10.2

      As someone who rarely swears I have a general aversion to it.

      As someone who grew up reading a wide range of literature and listening to punk rock music I also understand that sometimes the pressure to be polite is an artificial construct designed to keep the working class in check – as is the pressure for monogamous married relationships.

      The right wing offensiveness of conformity to their stated norms (and ones they don’t practise themselves quite often) is much more offensive despite being couched in the queen’s english.

      It’s easy to denigrate people using good language – the notions of beneficiaries as bludgers and cheats, the notion of sole parents as breeding for a business, the notion of high drug use amongst those on benefit or an unwillingness to work, the notion of the greens as looney, the sugar daddy comment, the nothing to fear nothing to hide mantra – these notions haven’t come out of a vacuum.

      I’ve never seen a government and an employer class place less value on and denigrate more NZ citizens than this current government.

      You cannot help people by denigrating them – try it with your staff and your children. Tell them they losers. You wouldn’t do it.

      So given our own citizens are being told this day after day after day the occasional fuck you back is OK by me.

      • weka 10.2.1

        That is an awesome comment, thanks

      • Mainlander 10.2.2

        Thank you DOS great post and powerful meaningful message, i will take your points on board

      • Saarbo 10.2.3

        That is exactly spot on the mark DoS.

        I wish the Labour MP’s would just keep out of this. The reason that National is going so hard against this is because it has the possibility of going viral amongst young people, and a huge number of votes going Left. It doesn’t need Cosgrove and Chris Hipkins to say anything.

        My favourite from Summer 2013.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Fqp_BTusw

    • tricledrown 10.3

      Mainlander you are to old to know what young people think like these day.
      so WTF are you worried about the standards of opposition party comments if you were very smart and this was so bad for the standard you would not comment and let them carry on making mistakes.
      When you look at young people today the f word bomb is like what bugger was to you generation so bugger off

      • Mainlander 10.3.1

        Ouch when did 40 become to old, not sure about the rest of your comment you make me sound like a National party supporter trying to tell off the big bad Standard readers if that is your intent you are sadly mistaken in my intent or my political affiliations

    • Tracey 10.4

      be a good little nzer and let yourself be fucked over without losing any decorum. Sometimes anger needs to expressed. So yeah fuck inequality, fuck poverry and fuck all parties that choose to be part of the problem.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 10.5

      Objects to the word ‘fuck’. Has nothing to say about the Prime Minister’s relationship with C. Slater.

      Raise the double standard.

      Vote positive is the Labour campaign. Karol supports the Greens.

      • Mainlander 10.5.1

        Yes OAB im well aware Karol is a Green supporter and i dont give a rats about C. Slaters buddies nor do i have double standards or object to the use of the word fuck
        i guess my message was lost on you, that comes as no real surprise
        Edit to add sorry Karol my rants should have been on Open Mike

        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.5.1.1

          @Mainlander Karol’s message was lost on you, and in no way resembles a “hate blog”.

    • r u a fan of kiwiblog and slaters’ site..?..there..?..mainlander..?

      ..or any of those other far-right nutbar/jobs websites..?

      ..and if so..you must know this is p.c.-heaven compared to them..

      ..and personally..i find the word ‘poverty’ to be far more obscene/disturbing than the word ‘fuck’ will ever be..

  11. weka 11

    “If most New Zealanders could see what’s happening here,”

    Ae, where the fuck are you mainstream media?

    Apparently John Campbell was there, anyone know if anything turned up on TV3 yet?

  12. McFlock 12

    To all those tory fuckers who thought commenters and authors on The Standard had promised to be “positive”:
    this is the site you were looking for.

    And if that’s the best line C/T and the slug can come up with, john key will be fucked on sept 20.

    Read the article again. People are suffering badly under this regime. You can kick large sectors of the population in the nuts and call it “motivating” all you want, but sooner or later enough people will figure it out and kick back.

    National have no friends – unclecousin and the hairdo might not be enough for you this time.

  13. Michael 13

    Will Labour do anything at all to change this state of affairs, other than engage in synthetic moral posturing? Its actions in Government between 1999 and 2008 are not encouraging. No government can make the bureaucrats treat people decently unless it is prepared to take strong action against the worst offenders. I don’t think Labour has the guts to do this.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1

      You’re asking a Green voter (Karol) what Labour are going to do?

    • weka 13.2

      by worst offenders do you mean WINZ staff? I actually think getting rid of Paula Bennett would do wonders, and David Bratt, and I guess the CEO is probably a big part of the problem now given the past 6 years, but yeah, there is much for Labour/GP to fix up from the mess that NACT have created.

    • anker 13.3

      Micheal @ 13. Two Labour women shadow ministers have meet with Winz beneficiary Sarah??? sorry forget her name and have spoken of the need to change the culture at Winz so beneficiaries are treated with respect. If I can find the reference I will post it, but this happened months ago.

      Also the Royal Commission into public service and bullying corruption etc, may cover this. They haven’t released their policy on beneficiaries yet. Best Start will help all infants including beneificiaries and I think their Dr’s visit policy will too.

      • weka 13.3.1

        I think the meeting with Sarah Wilson would count as synthetic moral posturing unless it’s backed up by some real change within the dept. As Michael pointed out, the last Labour govt’s record is not encouraging. Am still waiting and seeing with DC’s Labour, but they will have to do something real, not just be concerned.

        • anker 13.3.1.1

          Of course, I agree entirely Weka. But I don’t agree that meeing with Sarah Wilson synthetic moral posturing…………I think it is consulting with a vulnerable woman who was prepared to speak up. But of course it needs to be translated into real change.

          For me, I was brought up Labour. My mother idealized (for good reason Mikey J Savage). She became a a Life Member. Then Rogernomics and I became deeply embittered and abandoned Labour and to my own shame politics. I have real hope for the next Labour Govt under DC. I want the party back. Both for my mother, who is since passed on, but for my family and everyone in NZ. I remain furious at how it was hi-jacked by Douglas et el. I want it back.

          • weka 13.3.1.1.1

            All power to you then anker and I hope you get the Labour you and your mother deserve. Will have to get rid of the Rogernomes still in there though.

            “I think it is consulting with a vulnerable woman who was prepared to speak up.”

            Yep, Labour is good at doing the nice thing. But it’s not enough to consult. Am waiting with interest to see their actual welfare policy ;-)

            • anker 13.3.1.1.1.1

              Thanks Weka.

              I hope I am not proved wrong! I will admit it if I am. I actually trust DC. I like their policies. Not all of them. I am in two minds about super, but then I think of the young people who will have to pick up the tab for my early retirement. But I am one of the lucky people cause I like my job!! So I can see both sides of that arguement.

              I am unsure of Dot.com, and Hone. Its not a criticism peeps! Just remember Hone went with National………………….and Dot.com. Well I just don’t know. But what they have done is savy.

              Greens are great. Lots of respect for them. But my wanting to get the Labour Party back to its core values is pretty important for me. I think “why the f should I have to go and join a new party???? I want our party back”

              Yes of course Labour have to do more than just consult…………but can you imagine Paula even getting near there!

              • Colonial Viper

                I think “why the f should I have to go and join a new party???? I want our party back”

                Exactly.

              • Peter

                This might just happen sooner than you think :)

              • @ anker..the maori party went with national..

                ..harawira then left the maori party..

                ..(there is a difference..)

                • weka

                  +1 phil. Been seeing that misleading statement a few times lately. Harawira didn’t want the Mp to support a National govt. It’s just plain wrong to say he went with National, was untrustworthy because of that and then was unreliable or whatever because he then left them.

                  • anker

                    Ok local Kiwi fair comment…i.e. what do I mean by professional politicians and your point is certainly taken about parliament. I attended the final session last week or whenever and was disgusted by in particular Bill English, but was impressed by the Greens. Your point it taken.

                    But what I was trying to get at by a “Professional politician” is someone who has had experience in Parliament, government, the public service or Cabinet. I think people such as Key who came into politics with no political background and then rose very quickly are problematic. I think Steven Sackur (Hardtalk) really challenged Key about this and the fact that he had never been a Mayor or had any such background and I think it is valid.

                    I think the same applies to Kim.Dot Com. I had thought he wasn’t going to be involved with the party, but correct me if I am wrong. I am not comfortable with him. My opinion.

                    It would be great if codes of conduct could improve the “professional politician”. In my view JK govt has made this worse with corruption and lack of accountability etc, etc, etc.

                    I am waiting, hoping a doing what I can for a change of government.

                    • weka

                      KDC isn’t a politician. He’s not allowed to stand for election in NZ. I think it’s fine to feel uncomfortable about him (I have my own reservations). I don’t think it’s right to compare him to Key and expect the same standards to apply.

                  • anker

                    Ok local Kiwi fair comment…i.e. what do I mean by professional politicians and your point is certainly taken about parliament. I attended the final session last week or whenever and was disgusted by in particular Bill English, but was impressed by the Greens. Your point it taken.

                    But what I was trying to get at by a “Professional politician” is someone who has had experience in Parliament, government, the public service or Cabinet. I think people such as Key who came into politics with no political background and then rose very quickly are problematic. I think Steven Sackur (Hardtalk) really challenged Key about this and the fact that he had never been a Mayor or had any such background and I think it is valid.

                    I think the same applies to Kim.Dot Com. I had thought he wasn’t going to be involved with the party, but correct me if I am wrong. I am not comfortable with him. My opinion.

                    It would be great if codes of conduct could improve the “professional politician”. In my view JK govt has made this worse with corruption and lack of accountability etc, etc, etc.

                    I am waiting, hoping a doing what I can for a change of government.

                  • anker

                    Thanks, I had read Hone went with Maori and National and did what many NZ do, brought the spin. So thanks I stand corrected.

                    I have just read some of the main parties policies, gone to their website. It is interesting to do. National’s IMO is very week, non specific and includes Canterbury re-build.

                    Labour’s very thorough and dare I say it professional. And really, really great policies.

                    • weka

                      I think Labour are doing pretty good with the policy too, and hope that the message gets through past the bias in the MSM.

          • Local Kiwi 13.3.1.1.2

            Anker I stand with you on this.
            “I remain furious at how it was hi-jacked by Douglas et el. I want it back.”
            Top comment mate me too, I went overseas in 1987 and came home in 1998 and saw what Rogernomics did to our town, so many families torn apart and here we go again so you are so-so right’

            Why cant they see the fabric of our society is disingregrating as this right wing mobsters cull everything of worth again for personal gain.

            Bring back the Labour we all knew before rogernomics.

  14. Tracey 14

    The top 69 john key lies site deserves applause

    • karol 14.1

      I selected #59 for this post for a reason. I was planning to post on the AAAP action in Mangere, on the treatment of solo mothers (and women generally), the appallingly sexist use of the “sugar daddy” term. Then today I see the MSM, Guyon, et al, are incensed about the use of the F word, and have little to say about Key’s use of the term “sugar daddy”.

      BTW have any of the right wing commenters here, said anything about the Nat government’s general attitude to women, and especially about Key’s use of the “sugar daddy” phrase?

      It’s interesting in the video on the NZ Herald page, that several women journalists actually sound quite unhappy with the use of the “sugar daddy” term, even though, I’m pretty sure they are not IMP supporters.

      • Tracey 14.1.1

        I havent seen any right commentators here condemn john keys description of laila harre having sex with dotcom in return for money. That “fuck” spoken by a bunch of young people is offensive or more offensive is mind boggling. ?.

        And there is matty hooton…

        The most colourful critique of the Internet Mana video is that it is reminiscent of Nazi Germany propaganda. On Twitter, it’s been Matthew Hooton (@MatthewHootonNZ), in particular, pushing this line, with tweets such as: ‘Feels a bit like a Munich Beer Hall in the 1920s’. “

        • TightyRighty 14.1.1.1

          kim dotcom is the IMP’s sugar daddy?? there is no implication of sex?

        • weka 14.1.1.2

          “The most colourful critique of the Internet Mana video is that it is reminiscent of Nazi Germany propaganda. On Twitter, it’s been Matthew Hooton (@MatthewHootonNZ), in particular, pushing this line, with tweets such as: ‘Feels a bit like a Munich Beer Hall in the 1920s’. “”

          Have to say I had that thought myself, not about Munich beer halls, but about the power of charisma and emotion and sloganed ideology, and what happens when you mix that with politics. Have been trying to figure out how much of my discomfit is leftovers from my middle class Anglican upbringing, and how much is alarm at anything that smacks of a cult. I loathe pentecostal Christianity for the same reasons and that mix of the preacher up front manipulating the crowd, and the crowd being high on emotion… mix that in with politics and I’m just not sure about it. On the other hand, not sure how different it is from marches and rallies I’ve been on. Would probably have less of a problem with it if it wasn’t KDC up there (I still don’t trust him enough with that kind of power and influence).

          Am still hoping to get to one of the IMP meetings to see what they are actually like, the video was such a short insight into what is going on.

          As for Hooton, maybe he believes in reincarnation, so really does know what it ‘feels’ like to be in a Munich Beer Hall in the 1920s ;-)

          • karol 14.1.1.2.1

            I understand your reservations, weka. I’m not keen on the KDC personality focus. I’m also not keen on too much of the call-and-response type crowd stirring.

            But, as you say, it happens at a lot of political rallies – at at rock concerts.

            But I am also more concerned that the focus on the criticism of the F word is over-riding any criticism of Key’s use of the “sugar daddy” term, and his/Nats’ continually undermining women and those in poverty.

            • weka 14.1.1.2.1.1

              My guess is that most people don’t care about the F word, and this is just an excuse for a right wing/MSM beat up of the IMP/left. Running scared.

              “But, as you say, it happens at a lot of political rallies – at at rock concerts.”

              True, and I’ve been trying to think what the difference is. At rock concerts it’s different because people are there to have fun and let emtion roll and that building up of a charge and directing it is part of the show and the experience but it doesn’t go anywhere in particular (with exceptions, am thinking Dave Dobbin in Aotea Square).

              Political rallies, I guess I’ve never been at one where there has been someone with that mix of charisma, ability to manipulate the crowd, dodginess and money/influence that KDC has. NZ doesn’t really go in for celebrity political activists, so maybe it’s cultural too.

              • karol

                Some people argue that our whole audio-visual saturated culture has developed since WWII using the same manipulative strategies of persuasion as used by the 3rd Reich. It targets the emotions rather than critical reflection.

                I do most usually prefer fairly low-key, considered approaches to politics.

                However, there are also times when it’s appropriate to express anger and outrage.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Some people argue that our whole audio-visual saturated culture has developed since WWII using the same manipulative strategies of persuasion as used by the 3rd Reich. It targets the emotions rather than critical reflection.

                  And the Third Reich used those technqiues as they were developed, used and refined by Bernays and co. to bring the American public on side with getting into WW I.

            • john 14.1.1.2.1.2

              You offense a sugar daddy comes across as totally fake.

              Not a word against Dotcom making jokes about rape, niggers, and killing prostitutes.

              The fact that Harre and and Mana are bankrolled by someone who is the antithesis of what they stand for, means sugar daddy is a very accurate and apt term to use.

              • Colonial Viper

                It’s not a surprise that John Key knows all about Sugar Daddies. His Wall St mates are famous for their personal support of US$1000/hour call girls.

                • john

                  pathetic

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Just standard entertainment practice on Wall St

                    http://www.thefix.com/content/wall-st-high-rollers-caught-pants-down

                    FBI investigations in thepast have found that many of Wall Street’s top firms regularly spent millions of dollars a year on booze, drugs and hookers to entertain important clients and in-house executives. Of course, firms like Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers, routinely listed all these T&A expenses as T&E expenses.

                    During their investigation of the mortgage crisis a few years ago, the FBI interviewed a number of powerful madams who testified that their services were hardly a secret on Wall Street. Indeed many of them regularly sent invoices for hundreds of thousands of dollars for traders’ sex and drug parties directly to the firms for payment.

                    While the Madam.s testimony, and reams of documents confiscated from top Wall Street houses, could have supported a number of charges against some of Wall St’s most well-known big wigs, the Justice Department declined to pursue any further action, overruling the FBI’s recommendations.

              • Tracey

                citations for not caring about dotcom saying niggers… rape etc

                and are you ok about sugar daddy, attempted rape not being serious and so on?

              • karol

                I do not support KDC making those kinds of jokes. I’ve said many times I’m not a great fan of KDC. I have been critical of his macho stances before today.

                • lurgee

                  As usual, we fall into a simple trap. Key makes some slightly off colour remark. The left start howling and despairing about the remark, making themselves look like idiots and giving the original nasty little quip more buoyancy. And yelling highly sexualised invective immediately surrenders any sort of moral high ground. If you don’t have to use that language (and by your own admission you don’t), then don’t.

                  A smarter response would have been to reel off a list of John Key’s ‘sugar daddies,’ rather than getting all pissy about his (wah, wah) use of an insulting derogatory term. Especially when there are infinite instances where worse has been said or suggested about politicians and public figures here, without anyone getting upset about it.

                  “Hey, John – been getting much mail from Ron Hickmott recently?”

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Well your approach has some merits, and could have been used as a component of the return serve to Key, instead of basing the entire counter on gender issues.

                    • karol

                      I think the Nats are not only damaging the lives of those in poverty, but are not a woman-friendly party.

                      Gender and poverty/inequality are major themes of my post. And I will keep commenting on that.

                      I do not understand any woman would vote National.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I do not understand any woman would vote National.

                      Oh that’s easy. Because many Kiwi women do not view gender issue politics in the same way that gender issue political activists do.

                    • weka

                      I think it’s more likely because many women are privileged by National policies, or the men they are dependent on are. Of course those women aren’t going to think about politics in the way that left wing feminists do.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So in your view these ~almost half million women vote National because they have decided that it is in their best interests/personal income/economics to do so?

                    • weka

                      Some, sure. I think it is more nuanced than that though, and people who are privileged don’t necessarily make a conscious decision to support what privileges them. Many people don’t recognise the privilege. But really the reasons why people vote are many and varied and I don’t see why it would be different for women voting National. Some will be voting because they believe that the policies are best for the country. Am also thinking of old school conservatives that I know, women from the generation above mine who came of age before neoliberalism.

                  • weka

                    “A smarter response would have been to reel off a list of John Key’s ‘sugar daddies,’ rather than getting all pissy about his (wah, wah) use of an insulting derogatory term.”

                    The problem with that approach is that it doesn’t acknowledge that there is a difference between calling a male politician a whore and a female one.

                    Reeling off a list of Key’s sugar daddies basically says that calling Harre a whore is ok because Key is one too. If you want to go down that line, call Key the US One Percenter’s bum boy and see how that goes down. Still not quite the same as calling a female politician a whore though, and karol is correct to be pointing out the misogyny within National. Being gender blind doesn’t help women in NZ even if it does help your political agenda.

                    • lurgee

                      No, because you don’t call him a whore back. You just show he’s guilty of the same sort of behaviour as he is accusing Harre of. It shows he’s a hypocrite and a nasty little fool. Then the ‘whore’ comment (which is often aimed at men as well) is forgotten and Key ends up looking like a twit, not us.

                    • weka

                      ok, so you imply whore like Key did instead of saying it outright. My point still stands.

                      btw, Key doesn’t care if he looks a hypocrite. He’s teflon coated. Harre’s response to the sugar daddy thing wasn’t to change people’s minds about Key, it was to remind them, particularly women, that they have a choice and that there are people in politics who have values around gender. Remember she isn’t after the middle NZ vote, or the swing vote who might be turned off Key, she’s after the people who haven’t bothered voting at the last election, specifically the ones that will be interested in the message from IMP.

                    • lurgee

                      I don’t care what Key cares for. It’s about persuading people not to vote for him.

                      And exposing hypocrisy doesn’t entail implying calling someone a whore. It entails exposing hypocrisy.

                      A propos of nothing, I voted Mana last time. I’ve voted for the Alliance before. But I’m really struggling with I-MP, because of Dotcom. He’s corrosive and divisive and if the left weren’t so desperate no-one would go near him.

                      Key touched on a real issue, which is why it is resonating and – I suspect – why it has produced such a swivel eyed response.

                    • weka

                      despite you having completely ignored the points I was making, I’ll just reply with this – if you don’t like KDC then don’t vote IMP (although the IMP does not equal KDC). Vote for whoever you like, but just remember that if you party vote for the Alliance or any other party that doesn’t increase the left’s chance of forming govt (which included Mana at the last election) then you are effectively supporting another term for National. It also effectively undermines any political credibility you might have, esp given you have just said lefties should be trying to persuade people to not vote for Key. True, don’t vote for Key but do at least put your vote somewhere where it counts.

                    • lurgee

                      I don’t think Key is ‘teflon coated’. That’s just an excuse for the left’s failure to land any telling blows, even after six years of corrupt self serving Christcurch failing asset stripping national standards introducing environment degrading worker’s rights shitting on Paula Bennett existing John Banks being allowed to hob-nob with the PM madness. That’s why ignored your ‘points'; because they were blunt, and not in a good way.

                      If people challenge Key continually on his hypocrisy, then people will notice it and he’ll get the opprobrium he deserves. But every time he does something like this, we resort to type, shrilling about some slight to some special grouping or identity. Which makes us look weak, silly and continually on the defensive. Which is what he wants.

                      Which brings us full circle, back to my earlier comment.

                    • weka

                      ah, glad that’s out in the open. This is really about your antipathy to what you perceive of as identity politics. That makes much more sense of what you are saying and why you won’t address my points. Whatever, I’m not really going to take seriously the political opinions of someone who wastes their vote in MMP elections.

                    • lurgee

                      Ah, the classic ‘invent stuff so I can argue about other stuff because I’ve run out of sensible arguments about what we were talking about’ routine. Well played, sir!

                      You invent an ‘antipathy’ towards ‘identity politics’ where I merely pointed out the inadvisability of doing what the enemy expects and wants you to do. Then you mysteriously divine that I am going to waste my vote. By what means do you arrive at this conclusion? I merely said I find the IMP link up uncomfortable. How does that equate to wasting a vote? How many chickens did you eviscerate to achieve this remarkable insight?

                    • weka

                      dude the fact that you refer to identity politics in such derogatory terms tells me much (actual text: “shrilling about some slight to some special grouping or identity.”). But if I am wrong, if you don’t have an antipathy towards identity politics, please correct me.

                      You said that the point was to get people to not vote for Key. If you want a left wing govt, then it’s not enough to not vote for Key, you have to party vote where it makes a difference. In that context you waste your party vote if you vote Alliance or Mana. If you want to support those parties by party voting for them, that’s a different thing, but it doesn’t support a change of govt in 2008, 2011, or 2014 (although party voting IMP might make a difference this time round). Surprised I have to explain that.

                    • lurgee

                      dude the fact that you refer to identity politics in such derogatory terms tells me much (actual text: “shrilling about some slight to some special grouping or identity.”).

                      You’ll notice my scorn is directed at the shrilling fools. Just because some blundering idiots subscribe to an idea does not mean the idea itself is worthless.

                      Otherwise – given the number of idiots here – socialism would be the Most Useless Of All Times. It isn’t. It is better than a lot of its rather silly adherents.

                      You said that the point was to get people to not vote for Key. If you want a left wing govt, then it’s not enough to not vote for Key

                      Context, context. That was in response to the ‘whore / sugar daddy’ comment and explaining the purpose of my preferred response. Yelling ‘Bad rude man!’ at Key isn’t likely to lose him any votes, because it merely re-confirms perceptions. People don’t like hypocrisy, however, and pointing out how thoroughly he and his party have been bought might be more effective.

                      I’ll grant you voting IMP (though I haven’t said I would, you klutz – I said I DID, but was no longer comfortable with them) would be a wasted vote in the short term – assuming Cunliffe actually sticks to his word (a big if!) and excludes them from any coalition, though I suspect he’d still accept a confidence and supply arrangement.

                      As for strategic goals of forming a leftwing government, that isn’t going to happen. We’re going to get Labour (Centrist) Greens (A bit left) and NZ First (Rightwing) at best. I don’t see that as being a much better option for National, if it comes about, which is highly unlikely (If I was one of the leaders of the Greens, I’d steer clear of it). Cunliffe has shown himself to be tactically stupid, ruling out IMP (unless he knows something remarkable abut Dotcom that we don’t, yet) and essentially forcing himself into Winston’s arms.

                      But strategically, it might be worthwhile to build the radical left vote for the future. Making it big enough so Labour has to treat with them, rather than NZ First, seems like a reasonable strategic goal. So I wouldn’t call it a wasted vote on my part.

                      Cunliffe may have decided to waste it, of course.

                    • weka

                      In the past you have voted Alliance and Mana. Those are both wasted votes if you wanted to change the govt at that election. Alliance because they had no chance of getting any MPs, and Mana because their electorate seat brings in more MPs than their party vote (so the party vote would be better going to another left wing party if you want to change govt).

                      IMP didn’t exist at previous elections, so you can’t have voted for them. They won’t be a wasted vote this election if it looks like their electorate votes will yield them less MPs than their party vote. We don’t know yet if that is true, and it’s hard to say if the polls will help in that decision closer to the election. But it is clear that it’s probably a gamble but less of a certain wasted vote than voting Mana last time.

                      You appear not to understand these basics about MMP, but lots of NZers are the same I think.

                      Or, you don’t think that there is any point in shifting left, we have to jump there in one go, so bugger trying to get Nact out and L/Gp in. If you had some kind of intelligent alternative strategy that might make sense, but you don’t so as far as I can see you promote the idea that there is no way to have a left wing got currently so may as well waste the party vote. All I can say is fuck that defeatish, dogmatic ideology, and I prefer to work with the real world. It will be much easier to shift NZ left again if we have a L/GP govt.

                      As for Peters, you seem certain about things that aren’t certain. There is still a small chance that NZF won’t reach the 5%. And DC hasn’t ruled out C and S with IMP, he’s just said they won’t be in govt, which is a good move all round. It’s possible that a L/GP govt could form with support from the IMP. The chance might be small, but why would you waste it? As far as I can tell, the only reason is because you don’t approve of those parties enough, which is frankly just childish. You really think that another term of NACT would be no worse than a L/GP/NZF coalition? There is absolutely no evidence for that, although there are a few people who feel that to be the case. They’re really not paying attention though.

                    • lurgee

                      In the past you have voted Alliance and Mana. Those are both wasted votes if you wanted to change the govt at that election. Alliance because they had no chance of getting any MPs, and Mana because their electorate seat brings in more MPs than their party vote (so the party vote would be better going to another left wing party if you want to change govt).

                      You appear to misunderstand how time works. When you cast your vote, you can not be certain what the broader result would be. When I voted Alliance in 2002, they had multiple MPs in parliament and there was a good possibility of Harre winning Waitakere. It didn’t come to pass but (here’s the clever bit) you don’t know that at the time. We’re not lucky enough to live in one of those democracies where the results are known before the votes are cast.

                      My vote for Mana in 2011 was also quite logical. Mana had a secure seat. Whether or not the party vote exceeded the electorate vote wasn’t something we could tell before polling day because, you know, the future hadn’t happened at that point. With micro parties like that, a few votes are all it would have taken to bring in a second MP.

                      I had little interesting in installing a rightwing Goff lead Labour Party in power, so it seemed a reasonable course of action. It didn’t work out, so you can crow about my ‘wasted vote’ all you like in that regard – but only if you’re prime objective is changing the government. Mine wasn’t, as the alternative government on offer didn’t seem significantly different to me. Too rightwing, too pro-business, too male, too white (sorry, what were you saying about my antipathy to identity politics?)

                      They won’t be a wasted vote this election if it looks like their electorate votes will yield them less MPs than their party vote. We don’t know yet if that is true, and it’s hard to say if the polls will help in that decision closer to the election. But it is clear that it’s probably a gamble but less of a certain wasted vote than voting Mana last time.

                      Again, this past / present / future thing. There was nothing ‘certain’ about how the ballots would work out in 2011. You really need to get your head around this time thing.

                      As for Peters, you seem certain about things that aren’t certain. There is still a small chance that NZF won’t reach the 5%. And DC hasn’t ruled out C and S with IMP, he’s just said they won’t be in govt, which is a good move all round. It’s possible that a L/GP govt could form with support from the IMP. The chance might be small, but why would you waste it? As far as I can tell, the only reason is because you don’t approve of those parties enough, which is frankly just childish. You really think that another term of NACT would be no worse than a L/GP/NZF coalition? There is absolutely no evidence for that, although there are a few people who feel that to be the case. They’re really not paying attention though.

                      So I SHOULD vote IMP, according to you, even though I have reservations about them. Even though it will probably be a wasted vote as there is only a ‘small chance’ of them being only excluded from government, so they can (possibly) be used to prop up a government I don’t support.

                      That’s strange, desperate logic, though I can see how it makes sense from the POV of a desperate Labour Party.

                      Whether or not Peters makes it above 5% is one of those things that are in the future, that murky and mysterious place which seems to confound you so much. But if he doesn’t, then the chances of any sort of government featuring Labour recedes to the realm of the absurd. Which means, applying your electoral ‘logic’ we should not vote for them, as they have little realistic chance of winning! If everyone voted according to your ‘principles’ (Don’t vote for parties that you approve of, vote for parties that will win), National would be polling close 100% and we would be living in one of those charming Arab-style democracies I mentioned earlier.

              • weka

                “Not a word against Dotcom making jokes about rape, niggers, and killing prostitutes.

                The fact that Harre and and Mana are bankrolled by someone who is the antithesis of what they stand for, means sugar daddy is a very accurate and apt term to use.”

                At the time that KDC did those things, they were commented on. Or do we have to repeat our comments about everything everytime KDC does something the right doesn’t like?

                Harawira also at times has said some shitty misogynistic things, and then pretty quickly apologised. I would guess he gets pulled up by his whanau pretty quick. KDC also gets pulled up and seems to be more inclined to apologise or withdraw what he says. He’s been raised in a culture that privilges white men, esp rich white men. The fact that he is learning is a good sign, although I still think he has a long way to go. If you link to some specific examples I’m happy to tell you what I think, but in general I don’t expect men in politics in NZ to be perfect when it comes to sexism, but I do expect a willingness to change.

                However, even if what you say were true about Harre, it’s still not ok to call her a whore. Or any woman. And I don’t understand why you think it’s ok to call her a whore but not ok for KDC to make misogynistic jokes. You seem to think that misogyny is about who deserves the put down.

        • Local Kiwi 14.1.1.3

          “On Twitter, it’s been Matthew Hooton (@MatthewHootonNZ), in particular, pushing this line, with tweets such as: ‘Feels a bit like a Munich Beer Hall in the 1920s’. “

          Nat’s Hooten is playing the reverse psychology game and will backfire..

          They are the Munich beer hall Nazis look alike, and act alike with heir Joyce overpowering David parker, that we will see plenty more of come the weeks ahead.

          They cant help themselves, just wait and see.

  15. Clemgeopin 15

    I saw this picture on the face book page :
    ‘National Party Billboard Makeovers’s Photos’

    I was pleasantly surprised at this elderly woman’s very determined effort! Enjoy!
    http://tinyurl.com/mwpxrs4

    • fisiani 15.1

      Enjoy??????? Focusing on the important is what has helped National to record level support.

    • Anne 15.2

      Delightful. Thanks Clemgeopin

      Edit: these right wing cretins have no sense of humour have they…

  16. anker 16

    Tracey @ 14.1.1.

    Just to clarify my position it is isn’t the use of the word fuck. I frequently use it especially around JK and the msm. My concern is Dot.com on the campaign trail as I had thought he was taking a back seat. Of course he is perfectly entitled to be there, but in my mind it reinforces that from his point of view it is a revenge party. Nothing wrong with that, and a stroke of genius getting Laile. But I won’t be voting them. For me Kim D C is an unknown quantity with a lack of experience in politics.

    I think the video clip was not good pr (my own opinion here ) Leaves it open to Hooten’s comments, but well handled by Laile.

    My point hear is that I think Labour get heavily criticized and if this had of been them, they would have been very heavily criticized.

    I am glad Labour are not doing deals before the election and a being very clear about where they stand with IMP. Accused of potentially losing the election, but somehow it seems like it is always Labours fault!

    No one to my knowledge has said why don’t the Green’s pull their candidate in Ohuiru so Labour can win. It will be the Greens fault if we loose.

    Excuse the rave and the spelling mistakes. Its friday and I have a lot today before I can leave work and get home!

    • SPC 16.1

      The Greens run candidates in electorates to him them win party votes. Most candidates are clear about this. Having an MP like Hughes there last time may have confused this – he is not there this time.

      The combined Labour and Greens vote was a lot lower than the National vote there in 2011. And the seat has had new areas brought in that favour National further.

      The best way to take out Dunne out would be for Labour voters to vote for the National candidate – and also do this in Epsom. It adds nothing to National as they lose an equivalent list MP.

    • @ anker..

      “.. My concern is Dot.com on the campaign trail as I had thought he was taking a back seat..”

      i am not privy to int/mana-rrasonings..

      ..but i wd guess dotcom is on this roadtrip..and will be at university rallies etc..

      ..because he is such a drawcard..

      ..but he will be having no appearances in any of the political set-pieces in the media in the campaign proper..

      .and of course his big moment will be the ak. town-hall spooking/key-information-dump..

      ..with glenn greenwald..(and other to-be-announced) guests..

      ..on the 15th sept..

  17. TightyRighty 17

    @weka

    “Lolz, I’m a feminist”

    Why, because your mother was a woman. Your first comment smacked of misogynistic “I know what women want and need”‘rugby club 5 schooner ribaldry. So pull the other one

    • silverbullet 17.1

      Men can only ever be apparatchiks in the Femmosphere apparatus, they are not allowed the status of Nomenklatura.

    • tricledrown 17.2

      Hey tighty allmighty your the biggest misogynist around using your women like an hedonistic sex object you have neglected your family in fact neglected to have a family because Money is the only object of your desire you couldn’t handle having a family because you couldn’t handle being poor!

    • weka 17.3

      ““Lolz, I’m a feminist”

      Why, because your mother was a woman. Your first comment smacked of misogynistic “I know what women want and need”‘rugby club 5 schooner ribaldry. So pull the other one”

      I don’t actually know what you mean by “rugby club 5 schooner ribaldry.”, but if you want to know what makes me a feminist look at my comment history on ts for the past few years. It’s not a secret. Then see if you can address the actual points I made instead of attempting some pathetic, tired old ad feminem.

  18. fisiani 18

    This post neatly sums up the foul mouthed impotence of the Taliban Left as it looks like the Greens will yet again be squeezed out of power. If National win then the Greens will be in Opposition yet again. If NZF get over 5% and can form a minority government with Labour then The Cunliffe knows that he can exclude the Greens as they will have no bargaining power.

  19. Binders full of women 19

    Fuck I’m thankful for all the tagalog speakers doing the milking in Southland and rebuilding Chch, and fuck I like Pengxin and Harvard in the Central North Island… changing NZ for the better.

    • Colonial Viper 19.1

      We used to be a country proud and capable of doing our own work. Now its just a bunch of Queen St farmers and property developers pimping the nation out so they can collect and show off their self centred bling.

  20. Dumrse 20

    The Standard (the left that is….and Karol) is slowly slipping beneath the waves. Depression is creeping in and is now evident in your postings, your language, your demeanour and your psyche. You are shattered, you are leaderless and you are watching your political future fade before your very eyes. If you keep this up for the next six weeks you are history. Wake up, smell the coffee, debate the policies and the issues, stayed focused, be positive ……… hang on, that’s what you leader said didn’t he.

    • karol 20.1

      And then you woke up……

      • Colonial Viper 20.1.1

        I’m sure the Righties are attacking and smearing hard out against IMP because they know that National already has the election in the bag. Yeah, right.

  21. reason 21

    I agree with infused, tighty righty and PR ……

    What we witnessed was the blunt end of an attack on democracy by a fugitive terrorist and wanted German war criminal.

    Those hooligans masquerading as students have shown an ugly bias against nice honest Mr Key and should be barred from voting.

    Its as simple as that.

    • Chooky 21.1

      reason …could you with your colleagues ….infused, tighty righty and PR….and Dumrse…and fisiani!…

      ….be in actual fact ….REAL, genuine FUCKWITS ! ?

      ( inwhich case i want your autographs on my t-shirt)

      …now where is srylands and Possum …for this happy little get together?

  22. felix 22

    So all the John Key supporters are having a cry about a rich man pulling the wool over the eyes of idiots who are easily impressed by money and pr stunts and personality cultism when they should be engaging in serious debates about issues and policy.

    Oh the irony.

    Oh the fucking lolz of it.

    • lurgee 22.1

      That was quite clever.

      See, The Left?

      It can be done. Smart, effective response, without sounding tiresome and whiney.

      • weka 22.1.1

        oh well, I guess the rest of us should go home, given we’ll never be as clever or witty as felix (except maybe OAB, and what’s happened to Rhinocrates?).

        • lurgee 22.1.1.1

          Rhinocrates was an embarrassment, a squealing bully always squealing about bullying, a popinjay, a pantaloon, a petulant pustule masquerading as a brain.

          • Anne 22.1.1.1.1

            Rubbish lurgee. Rhinocrates is hugely intelligent and has a great sense of the ridiculous. He does, by his own admission, suffer from an autistic condition so surely a little lee-way is appropriate. We don’t hear very much from him these days which is a pity. He is always worth a read…

          • Chooky 22.1.1.1.2

            @lurgee…that should bring him back!…i enjoyed his way with words …i think he just got tired of people like you lurgee

            • lurgee 22.1.1.1.2.1

              You know what Dr Johnson said, don’t you? “He who is tired of lurgee is tired of life.” Or something like that.

              If he was half as smart as you think, he probably got tired of the idiotic +1000000 type comments and the complete lack of independent thought too often seen round here.

              (Feel free to interpret ‘lack of independent thought’ as ‘failing to agree with lurgee,’ which appears to be an oxymoron but is really a Great Truth.)

            • Rhinocrates 22.1.1.1.2.2

              Thanks Chooky, and yes (though it look’s like I struck one of flu’s more alliterative nerves and might just poke him again to see if I can find the one for assonance). And Anne, I don’t suffer from it, actually I enjoy it.

              • weka

                heh, nice come back.

              • lurgee

                Assonance annoys, but I’ll assay an attempt.

                Ill minded imbecile, willingly spilling hissing piffle on the internet, inveighing with trifling platitudes.

                Him, I mean, not I.

                • Rhinocrates

                  QED

                  Big shiny red button – can’t resist it.

                  • lurgee

                    You’re the one who suddenly re-appeared, like a tired sequel to a film no one watched in the first place, because someone dared to mention your name in less than hallowed tones.

                    • Rhinocrates

                      “But Mummmeeee, he started it!”

                      I was originally responding to Anne and Chooky for their courtesy, so don’t flatter yourself. Instead, try some lemon and ginger tea, flu – I’m not at all upset but you really seem to be. If you give me your postal address, I’ll send you some of my prozac.

                    • lurgee

                      Oh, no. I started it. Don’t try to claim credit for that. The only thing you managed to do was rise to the bait, unable to resist the wriggling pink worm I was dangling in front of you …

                    • rhinocrates

                      That’s way too Freudian; there isn’t enough “Eeeew” in the world for that.

              • Colonial Viper

                And to be clear, it is a pleasure for us to enjoy it with you.

              • Chooky

                lol Rhinocrates…good to see you are still around and countering some nasty viruses

    • Local Kiwi 22.2

      reason said,
      “What we witnessed was the blunt end of an attack on democracy by a fugitive terrorist and wanted German war criminal.”

      Kim.com has them worried why are they still banging on about him so incessantly.

      Kim.com has a master stroke of the “element of surprise” on all this chapter.

      On the other side and Key and his cohorts are shitting their pants every day now as they cant cover-up what is coming like a train and they are tied to the tracks.

      “Key and his asshole mobsters tied to the rail track and Kim.com coming down the rail track in a big arsed freight train smiling and saying;
      “I’m Back”

      Can someone make a cartoon sketch?

  23. Glenn 23

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
    If Labour don’t realise that, they are doomed to be in opposition for a lot longer.

    Dotcom’s publicity gurus are certainly getting plenty of bang for their buck. They know what they are doing. I often wonder if Labour’s do.

    • john 23.1

      No political campaign will be as successful at the Internet Mana campaign…….for shifting people to the right.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 23.1.1

        How would you know? You were already there.

        I note that Matthew Hooton has compared the IMP rally to the very embodiment of right wing values. Can’t you guys get your lines straight?

  24. karol 24

    Whoa! Paula Benefit, looking tight lipped and containing the anger at having to debate poverty & inequality with Turei tonight.

    • Colonial Viper 24.1

      A beautiful thing to behold.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 24.2

      Link available? :)

      • karol 24.2.1

        Prime (owned by Sky) don’t do TV Ondemand.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 24.2.1.1

          Thanks anyway :)

          • karol 24.2.1.1.1

            I recorded it, so can check details.

            It was interesting to see Plunket trying to feed poverty denier lines to the panel – eg asking the rightees (Bennett and the guy from Maxim who works with people in poverty – Greg Fleming CEO of the Venn Foundation).

            Plunket asked them about people who make a “lifestyle choice” to be on benefit. Fleming said that really doesn’t happen: that very few people choose to be on benefits.

            Plunket talked of moral choices not to have children without there being 2 parents – and not getting divorced etc. He put that to the Salvation Army guy – probably expecting agreement. The Sally guy rejected the assumption eg saying that staying in a dysfunctional relationship is not good for the child such as when a partner is violent.

            Bennett did the line about less teenagers giving birth and taking some credit for it. Turei said that trend started before the Nats came into government.

  25. Doughty 25

    Fuck John Key and Fuck Paula “Benefit Fraud” Bennett, slimy little toads the both of em.

  26. Clemgeopin 26

    WARNING!

    DO NOT WATCH THIS KEY PICTURE IF YOU SCARE EASILY!

    If, not, here you go:

    http://tinyurl.com/pq2f54t

  27. Disheartened 27

    What language is used is irrelevant. There is much talk of child poverty in this country as though it is only children being forced to live this way. For those that think people getting a benefit are living the high life you must live in the high income bracket and probably have no idea what a beneficiary is expected to survive on. I can tell you for a person unemployed in their early 60’s who busted a gut to pay off their mortgage, ended up with a permanent disability through a work accident is expected to live on the princely sum of $206.06 a week. See how far you would get on it. Rates $195 a month, Insurance $205 a month, Electricity $148 month, Internet and phone $75 a month, cell phone $6 a month, Petrol $30 (last 4 things you are expected to have if you are actively looking for employment) this leaves $141 a month to cover heating (needed for more than 6 months of the year in the deep South) car repairs, warrants, rego, clothing, doctors fees, repairs to my house and if you are lucky there are a few dollar left for food. My teeth are loose from having to live on a far from adequate diet for so long. Finding the money for a haircut is hard to save up for. Grey hair in need of a cut and 2nd hand clothes are not a good look for going for interviews. If those that believe John Key that there are a heap of jobs out there please let me know who hires people in their 60’s with a disability or health problems? there was no OSH when we started work, so most of us in this age group have a disability or health problems. Do you ever ask yourselves what this is going to cost the Health system in years to come? children and beneficiaries are lucky to get mince and sausages once or twice a week, meat, fruit and veges are luxury items, cheap white bread has no nutritional value and fresh fish is distant memory. Those trying to raise families on minimum wage don’t fare any better. National has always worked for the wealthy, Labour used to be for the workers and well being of all, but this year I am disillusioned with them as well. Who does one vote for??? the lack of morals, ethics and backbone of modern politicians doesn’t leave much to choose from. It is the first time in my life I am considering not bothering to vote. Winz is a degrading, humiliating place to deal with. I would rather starve than go in begging for a food voucher even though I am supposedly entitled to $300 in food vouchers a year, case workers are well aware of my predicament but never have I been offered a food voucher. I need glasses but the best they could offer was a loan to be paid back at $10 a week. I would be retired before they were paid for.
    If you think I am a bludger and this is the way to live, try living on this amount of money for 6 months. I could go on and on about the inhumane way Winz treat clients. I haven’t heard any party say they will address the problems or overhaul the sytem. After the deaths of Winz workers all National do is put on more security guards, nowhere have they said they will look into why there is so much anger directed at Winz workers, yet we know they are only working to the dictates of the minister that tells them to deprive beneficiaries of their rights. Nowhere will you find a case worker that will tell a client what they are entitled to

    • r0b 27.1

      Disheartened, may I put your comment up as a post on the blog?

      • Kiwiri 27.1.1

        Would be grateful if editorial liberty could be exercised to insert some paragraphs (my ageing eyes are making reading the screen a bit difficult). Thanks in advance.

    • blue leopard 27.2

      Pleeeeease don’t not vote!! Pleeease vote. There is Mana and Greens and they both have solid welfare policies.

      Pleeeease help to vote this horrid government out!

      I am sorry to hear about your situation :( hang on in there.

      Winz staff are usually hugely more helpful if you take a community worker or friend in when you have to deal with them.

      I truly hope NZer’s see that treating people without jobs in this manner is simply not the way to go and vote left.

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    Is he satisfied that all conflicts of interest that arose by the head of Food and Grocery Council Katherine Rich being a member of the Health Promotion Agency were managed in accordance with the provisions of the Crown Entities Act...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Bennett parks numbers on social housing
    Social Housing Minister Paula Bennett admitted today that well over 1000 families have been subsidised through the accommodation supplement to stay in the Ranui campground, somewhere she has previously described as not the right place for children to be growing...
    Labour | 30-10
  • 50,000 sign petition against anti-worker law
    More than 50,000 Kiwis have signed Labour’s petition against the Government’s scrapping of tea break entitlements, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “That’s the equivalent of five people signing our petition every minute for a week. It shows the...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Address in Reply Debate – Dr Kennedy Graham on UN Security Council- 2...
    In the Speech from the Throne last week the Prime Minister identified the usual domestic goals for his Government. I counted 17. They are not my subject today. I wish instead to focus on matters beyond our shores. In the...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Climate change harming ocean health
    New Zealand is responsible for one of the largest areas of sea in the world – an area 14 times the size of our land area. The National Government is promising new marine protected areas legislation with a discussion document...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Key misled public over Jason Ede
    Information contained in a new chapter of the book Key: Portrait of a Prime Minister, that Jason Ede stopped working for the National Party on the night the book Dirty Politics was released, shows Mr Key and senior ministers hid...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Greenpeace report highlights better path for NZ agriculture
    A Greenpeace International report highlights a better way forward for New Zealand agriculture than the GE and chemical mutation technologies supported by Federated Farmers, and the National Government through its research funding packages, the Green Party said today. "This report...
    Greens | 29-10
  • BNZ post record profits while leaving savers vulnerable
    A small part of the $850 million record profit posted by the Bank of New Zealand (BNZ) today needs to be set aside to protect savers' deposits in the future, said Green Party Co-leader Dr Russel Norman today.Dr Norman was...
    Greens | 29-10
  • RBNZ U-turn shows monetary settings were wrong
    The Reserve Bank's U-turn on interest rates today shows monetary policy settings were wrong and New Zealanders have suffered unnecessarily through the loss of jobs and having to pay higher interest rates, the Green Party said today.Reserve Bank Governor Graeme...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Ports must take responsibility for shameful death toll
    Port companies must step up and take responsibility for a shameful toll of seven deaths and 133 serious accidents in the past three years, Labour MP Iain Lees-Galloway says. The frightening figures – released by the Rail, Maritime and Transport...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Please help me get my Feed the Kids Bill to Select Committee
    Last week I took over the Feed the Kids Bill that Hone Harawira had introduced to Parliament. If passed, my Bill will provide government-funded breakfast and lunch in all decile 1 and 2 schools. Hungry kids can’t learn and are...
    Greens | 29-10
  • TVNZ Outsourcing Pasifika and Maori Programmes
    I’ve always been a big fan of our state broadcaster and I’ve particularly liked their range of current events programmes. But after Friday’s announcement that TVNZ will be sacking up to 40 staff by contracting out the Pacific and Maori...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Labour urges iwi leaders to meet with National
    Labour’s Māori Caucus has called on iwi leaders and national Māori organisations to seek urgent meetings with the National Government to directly express their concerns about employment law changes which will harm Māori workers. In an open letter sent today...
    Labour | 29-10
  • ACC’s reputation needs fix, not glitz
    Restoring public trust and confidence in ACC will take a lot more than a new communications strategy or social media blitz, says Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway. “Under National, ACC has come to be perceived as insensitive, difficult to deal...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Lessons to be learned from police investigation
    The outcome of the so-called Roast Busters case should not put victims off reporting sexual crimes, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “This case has been mishandled from the start. Within days of police initially saying no charges had...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Anti-worker legislation is anti-Pacifica
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga, will go down in history as being part of a Government that harmed his own people through anti-worker legislation, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “Pacific people are among...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Five-year tax holiday for overseas tax dodgers
    National has just gifted a five-year tax holiday for foreign companies dodging their tax payments, says Revenue spokesperson David Clark. “Todd McClay has pretended he is doing something about overseas companies dodging their tax duties by joining an international initiative...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Traffic Jam Tax must be given the red light
    Auckland Council’s proposed Traffic Jam Tax could cost some households thousands of dollars a year just to use roads they had already paid for with their taxes and must be rejected, says Labour’s transport and Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 29-10
  • National has chance to show leadership on limos
    The National Party has the opportunity to show leadership by transitioning our vehicle fleet towards renewable electricity when a new contract to supply Government limousines for VIPs goes to tender next month, the Green Party said today. "This is a...
    Greens | 29-10
  • The Māori Party can’t have it both ways over labour laws
    The Māori Party has to fess up over its voting record on the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, says Labour’s Māori Caucus.  “It’s simply not good enough to oppose the bill at the same time  as they helped speed up its progress through...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Equal pay and the aged care sector
    Today the High Court upheld the historic ruling by the Employment Court that our Equal Pay Act could be used to consider work of equal value cases; the government has been telling the UN and ILO that it could for...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Court case perfect opportunity for Government to improve gender pay gap
    If the Government wants to halt New Zealand’s slump in international rankings on the gender pay gap it should act on the court finding that women deserve equal wages, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Sue Moroney says. “The World Economic Forum’s...
    Labour | 28-10
  • All Auckland transport options should be considered
    All options for meeting Auckland's transport needs should be considered, including reprioritising the transport budget away from wasteful spending on motorways, the Green Party said today.Auckland mayor Len Brown is today releasing a transport report by the Independent Advisory Board,...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Another report highlights Govt failure on child poverty
    An international report measuring the impact of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) on child poverty rates, showing children in New Zealand have done worse than children in other countries, is further proof the Government needs to urgently take additional steps...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Address and Reply Debate Part 55: Inequality and Disability
    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Address and Reply Debate Part 55: Inequality and Disability
    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Child poverty: No more wake-up calls
    A new report which shows the National Government has made no inroads whatsoever into child poverty should do more than just set alarm bells ringing, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “UNICEF’s  latest Innocenti Report Card highlights the fact...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Eugenie Sage speaks in the 2014 Address in Reply Debate
    I congratulate you, Assistant Speaker Mallard, as Assistant Speaker and look forward to your knowledge, your fairness, and your light touch in being a referee of proceedings in this House. I congratulate also the other Assistant Speaker, Lindsay Tisch; the...
    Greens | 28-10
  • James Shaw’s Maiden Speech
    Tena Koe, Mr Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to speak a little of the past, the present and the future. The privilege to serve in this Parliament was given to me by all those who gave their...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Govt airs real views on public broadcasting
    An admission by the Government that it is happy to experiment with Pacific and Maori audiences shows just how weak its vision for public broadcasting in New Zealand is, Labour’s Broadcasting spokesperson Kris Faafoi says. “National today admitted it doesn’t...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Does Judith Collins have a get out of jail card?
    Former justice minister Judith Collins appears to have been gifted a get out of jail free card based on the Prime Minister’s answers in Parliament today, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “Judith Collins claimed in an Official Information...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Solid Energy decision delay sensible
    Today’s announcement by the Board of Solid Energy that it will delay making a final decision on re-entering the Pike River mine is a sensible move, Labour’s MP for  West Coast-Tasman Damien O’Connor says. “It has been clear for some...
    Labour | 28-10
  • New York Green Bank off to a $1B start
    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced late last week the New York Green Bank’s first NZD$1 billion tranche of green energy investments. The projects, which are difficult for the private sector to finance, are now possible by New York Green...
    Greens | 28-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Blockade the Budget
    The ‘Independent’ Police Conduct Authority’s report into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash The report released by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash riddled with inaccuracies....
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • When National claim new anti worker laws provide ‘flexibility’ they mea...
    And so it comes to pass. The first law National ram through as part of their victory march are new anti worker laws they pretend will generate ‘flexibility’. The new law denigrate the unions ability to protect workers and provide...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • City Transport: A Taxing Matter
    This week the prospect of paying tolls on Auckland motorways became a hot topic. (See Mathew Dearnaley:Motorway tolling could hit some hard, NZ Herald, 30 Oct 2014.) As we might expect, the kneejerk response has been quite negative. But, as with...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Open Letter to Amy Adams: Please Reopen The Review Into Sexual Violence Cou...
    Ms Amy Adams, Justice and Courts Minister, Right now in this country it seems that although rape is illegal, it is not being prevented by the agents who uphold the law. It almost feels like rape is only illegal on paper,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmm
    Every so often in politics, a public figure comes out with something so absurd and so outlandish … that it really does just make you go “Hmmmmmmmmmm”. We’re accustomed to this from certain quarters – by mid point through the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Poverty & inequality don’t need protest marches – they need a riot:...
    The global level of inequality continues to skyrocket… Number of billionaires doubled since financial crisis The number of billionaires has doubled since the start of the financial crisis, according to a major new report from anti-poverty campaigners. According to Oxfam,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • If Key knows who Rawshark is…
    I’m sorry, what? John Key ‘given Rawshark’s name’The Prime Minister believes he knows who hacked Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater’s computer and produced the source material for Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics, according to a new edition of a recently published...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Child Poverty stats in NZ
    Child Poverty stats in NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Crimes Act + Police Investigation = WTF
    Just to frame the farce that is the Roastbuster’s investigation and conclusion – here are the parts of the Crime Act http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/whole.html#DLM329057  the Roastbusters are proven to have violated – that the police (and some suspects!) themselves acknowledge occurred: Crimes...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Publishing Journalists’ Home Addresses Is A Tactic Of The Right, Not The ...
    I think I’m starting to get rather annoyed with the conduct of some pro-MANA people over this ongoing Parliamentary Services crew complement issue. Yes, we get that there are legitimate issues to be raised with how some political reporters in...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Aucklanders caught between a tarseal-addicted government and a weak mayor
    Len Brown’s proposal for motorway tolls to reduce congestion and provide funding for better public transport is a weak response to a critical issue. The $12 billion dollar shortfall on transport funding he talks about is mainly for projected new...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • A Very Weird Story: Deconstructing Darren Aronofsky’s Noah.
    NOAH is a curious movie. Conceived as a biblical epic, it’s target audience was originally the millions of Americans who regard the Bible as God’s inerrant word. With the sin-filled works of Hollywood forbidden to these true-believers, Christian movie-makers have developed...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • You Can Get Away With Rape In New Zealand
    Jessie Hume with last years petition against rape     The police have sent a strong message today.  In fact they’ve been sending a strong message for a while; a message that our government supports. “You can literally get away...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Roast Buster case – no charges. In the immortal words of NWA…
    Roast Busters case: No prosecutions Police are to make an announcement this afternoon on Operation Clover, the investigation into the “Roast Busters” allegations. The Herald understands the victim has been told that the alleged offenders will not be prosecuted due...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Key’s flag change distraction to cost $26million!
    No. Way. Bid to change NZ flag to cost millions The cost of holding two referendums and consulting on a change of flag has been estimated to be just under $26 million. Look. We all appreciate that the sleepy hobbits...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Why NZ Herald’s Labour Party crocodile tears are so audacious
    The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away with it No one can take the recent columns by NZ Herald seriously… John Armstrong: Shadow lingers on National John Roughan: Labour’s leadership vote matters...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • The beginning of the end of Cameron Slater?
    Slater postings on man bizarre, court told A businessman has changed his appearance and had to install extra security at his home after Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater posted his business and personal documents online, he says. Mr Slater has...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • We are a milk power republic and Fonterra our unelected senate
    Wow. Just wow… Deputy mayor says he’ll be sacked South Taranaki deputy mayor Alex Ballantyne says he expects to be sacked because he has spoken out about the impact gasses coming from dumped Fonterra dairy products have had on his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: “…But *actually* this is about ethics in political-game jo...
    Yesterday, a piece of mine on the recent revelations about Hone Harawira employing several gentlemen either accused or convicted of sex offences was published on The Daily Blog. Predictably, given the fierce loyalty which Hone inspires in his party faithful and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Privilege cheque
    There was no race problem in my childhood. Living in central Wellington I was well-insulated from what was going on not so far away. This was the 60s and 70s, where the teachers enjoyed free love in the staff room...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • A brief word on Key’s claim that it will be raining carnage
    Isis will ‘rain carnage on the world’ – John Key Left unchecked Isis would “rain carnage on the world”, Prime Minister John Key says, but he has yet to make a decision on whether New Zealand troops will join a...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Meanwhile…
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    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • How does Andrew Little win Labour Leadership and unify the caucus?
    Audrey Young’s excellent column on how the Caucus vote  is shaping up shows how Andrew Little becomes the next leader of the Labour Party. She identifies the factions as the following… Andrew Little 6: Andrew Little, David Cunliffe, Iain Lees Galloway,...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Right of response to Curwen
    You have asked that Hone Harawira deserves to explain what happened, how would he explain when his next door neighbour is an alleged sex offender. What explanation can Hone offer he wasn’t involved, Hone had no idea this offending was...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: That Hella-Weird Feeling When You Defend Tova O’Brien
    Oh dear. Yesterday morning I blogged that Hone deserved a chance to explain what exactly had happened as applies his office’s Parliamentary Services crew complement – and, importantly, that we deserve to be able to judge him on the strength of...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Canadian Green MP warns against harsh anti-terror measures
    Canada’s Green Party has provided a welcome counterpoint to Prime Minister Harper’s call for tougher anti-terrorism laws in the wake of a soldier outside the Canadian Parliament. On October 22, while she was still locked in her parliamentary office, Green...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • When is an asset sale not an asset sale? When it robs from the poor and ste...
    National have turned state housing on its head. At no time during the 2014 election did the Key Government even hint that they were going to privatise 30% of the Housing NZ stock of state homes. Not once. Key even...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part To...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Rua) . Bill English comes clean on National’s intentions for HNZ privatisation . On 14 October, in a report on The Daily Blog, I wrote, In...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • The Questions Have Been Asked – They Deserve An Answer
    A few days ago, allegations that had been percolating for some time about Hone Harawira employing three either accused or convicted sex offenders on his Parliamentary pay-roll came to light. (one imprisoned before working for MANA; one who found himself convicted and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • I have seen one future, and it is bleak
    . . Back in  March 2012, I wrote this story regarding a march to support striking workers at Ports of Auckland. It appears there was some prescience about some of my observations at the time… . | | 18 March...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • US air strike war Key wants us in has killed a civilian a day so far
      The US air strike war that John Key wants us to join has killed a civilian a day so far. From the Washington Post... The United States launched its first airstrikes on militants in Syria on Sept. 23, and has continued...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • The instant Jihad syndrome
    My favourite new term is ‘self-radicalised’ – it suggests the reasons for terrorism are totally divorced from the actions of the West. This need to suddenly ramp up terror laws because of lone wolf, self-radicalised Jihadists seems convenient and counter-productive....
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • We have nothing to fear from Ebola but fear itself
    I suspect most Americans perceive Ebola like this   I can’t work out if the fear being spread within the media about Ebola is deliberate or just ignorance. Yes Ebola is a terrible plague that kills a large percentage of...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – “Meritocracy? I wish.”
    I’d like to start by linking to a post I had published at another site in support of Nanaia Mahuta for the Labour Party leadership election.  She has a reasonable chance, given that she already has the endorsement of Te...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Chocolate milk shortage and creepy Santa? Let’s talk about real news
    Child poverty is still a scarily serious problem in this country and house prices are soaring through the roof to the point where it is simply impossible for the average New Zealander to buy a home. There is also little...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • It’s time to celebrate Kiwi schools and teachers
    Some would have you believe that New Zealand’s schools are in a state of collapse, that your children are not being educated well and that things are going to hell in a hand basket.  That there is no innovation, no...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Ideological Blitzkrieg – Privatization of state housing, more charter sch...
    Pundits in pundit land will tell you that this Government is boring, that Key is the great pragmatist and that it is his ability to create elegant solutions that keeps him the firm favourite in many Kiwi eyes. This ability...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • Hegemony rules but resistance is fertile
    The Prime Minister is a puppet. Not just our current Prime Minister, but given the forces of multinational globalisation, the role of any head of state, is less as independent actor, and more as a puppet of international trends and...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • An open Letter to Sir Bob Jones: demanding a ‘liveable wage’ is not “...
    How out of touch with reality is Sir Bob Jones? You know, that white dude who invested in privatised SOEs after the selling off of our assets in the eighties and made a ludicrous and disgusting amount of money and is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • My insecurity about the Security Council
    As I write this (on 24 October) it is international UN Day. Of course, you all knew that already, right? Well, the day celebrates the entry into force of the UN Charter in 1945. With the ratification of this founding...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Back in That House
    Parliament opened this week and I still find it a very odd place. Most of the people are reasonably courteous and friendly, but the rituals are archaic and the rules around issues like the swearing in oath are oppressive and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Marae Investigates No More
    TVNZ yesterday announced the closure of their Māori and Pacific programmes department. That means they’ve chosen to stop making Fresh, Tagata Pasifika, Waka Huia and Marae Investigates to let independent producers get their hands on these lucrative contracts. This is...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • BLOGWATCH: An Un-Civil War in Labour, eh?
    Earlier today, my attention was directed to an entry that’s just recently appeared on the Slightly Left of Centre blog. It purports to contain the ‘inside word’ from a highly placed NZF source – which is funny, because I’m pretty sure...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Santanomics 101
    Santanomics could mean a number of things. It could be the study and practice of giving. Or it could mean the study and practice of rampant end-of-year commercialism. However, for me today it is the economics of erectingAuckland’s giant Santa...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • SkyCity boss misleads public over workers lost shifts
    SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison has defended the employment practices at his company in an “Opinion” piece entitled “Human Capital key to corporate success” in the NZ Herald on Thursday. A number of his claims are misleading, contain only partial truths...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Review: Perfect Place
    I went to a Perfect Place on Tuesday night, and what a delight it was. The marshmallows sweetly (and forcefully) handed out pre-show, set the tone for the next hour. Walking up the stairs at The Basement was a complete...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • 5AA Australia – NZ on UN Security Council + Dirty Politics Lingers On
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey deliver their weekly bulletin Across The Ditch. General round up of over night talkback issues: Thongs, Jandals and flip-flops… ISSUE 1: New Zealand has been successful in its campaign to become a non...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • When I mean me, I mean my office & when I call whaleoil I mean not as m...
    This. Is. Ludicrous. Green Party co-leader Russel Norman put the first of what are likely to be many questions about Mr Key’s relationship with Slater, asking him how many times he had phoned or texted the blogger since 2008. “None...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • A brief word on describing the Government as ‘boring and bland’
    The narrative being sown is that this Government will be a boring and bland third term. Boring and bland. Since the election, Key has announced he is privatising 30% of state houses without reinvesting any of that money back into housing society’s most...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • Roast Busters: Turn Indignation into Action
    People raged about the Roast Buster case. The indignation was justified – it was horrible. “Where were their parents!?” Fair question. I am sure the Roast Busters’ parents and the victims’ parents all wish they had been more proactive in...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Stats NZ only have themselves to blame for postponement
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says Statistics NZ only have themselves to blame for the indefinite postponement of the release of the Food Price Index: November 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • NZ Diversity Survey – benchmarking workplace diversity
    AUT University’s New Zealand Work Research Institute (NZWRI) has released a report on diversity in New Zealand workplaces....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Māori Language (Te Reo Māori) Bill
    Tutehounuku Korako, Chair of the Māori Affairs Committee, is inviting further public submissions on this bill. The closing date for submissions is Friday, 5 December 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • ERA amendments a mixed bag
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act has the potential to put vulnerable workers in a more precarious position, says Equal Opportunities Commissioner, Dr Jackie Blue. However, the commissioner says the right for all to request flexible work hours is...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Sensible Sentencing calls for appeal of judicial activivism
    The Sensible Sentencing Trust is appalled that Justice Jill Mallon has today refused to apply the Life without Parole (LWOP) provisions of the Three Strikes law as enacted by Parliament....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Global Rally against ISIS – for Kobanê – for Humanity, Nov 1
    The New Zealand Kurdish Community will march in solidarity with Kurdistan as part of the “GLOBAL RALLY AGAINST ISIS – FOR KOBANÊ – FOR HUMANITY” on 1 November 2014, 2pm....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Safer roads are better for everyone
    Recent pedestrian versus vehicle incidents highlight the real issues being addressed by delegates as the 2Walk and Cycle conference concludes....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Law change creates more flexible labour market
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act, passed yesterday, will bring new flexibility to the labour market and will reduce the ability of unions to organise and to recruit....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Bumper ANZ profits mean no excuse for insecure hours
    A big rise in profits at New Zealand's largest bank needs to be reflected in a better pay offer and more security around hours of work, the bank workers’ union said today....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Count down to lowered alcohol limit
    With just a month to go until a new lower alcohol limit for adult drivers comes into effect, Police and road safety agencies are reminding drivers of the impending change....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • WorkSafe Supports Forestry Review Findings
    WorkSafe NZ says the Independent Forestry Safety Review has clearly identified the problems facing an industry in which ten workers were killed last year. “The Review’s analysis matches our own view and leaves no doubt about the need for comprehensive,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU welcomes forestry review recommendations
    The CTU is welcoming the today's release of the independent forestry safety review panel findings. "These recommendations must be implemented to ensure that everything possible is done to make forestry safer." CTU President, Helen Kelly said....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Activists will confront animal abusers
    Today animal rights activists will confront a group of wealth advisers who want to build the biggest egg factory-farm in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Turia: Women’s Refuge Conference 2014
    This is a milestone moment in my life. This will be my last official address as Co-leader of the Maori Party. On Saturday night at our Hui-a-Tau, I will be standing down from that role and enabling a new co-leader,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rodeo Code of Welfare ‘Sick Joke’
    Animal advocacy organisation SAFE says the revised Code of Welfare for Rodeos just released is nothing but a sick joke. “Rodeo animals are goaded, tormented and forced to endure needless suffering and gross mistreatment, all for the sake of so-called...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Conservative Party applauds binding referenda on flag
    The Conservative Party are congratulating the Government on the decision to hold two binding referendums to decide the fate of New Zealand’s flag – and believes it will pave the way for binding referenda to form part of New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Walk the Talk – Opposing violence against women
    Soroptimist International of Auckland have organised a walk on 22 November from Silo Park at the Wynyard Quarter through the Viaduct and back to Silo Park, to show their opposition to violence against women. This event hopes to raise awareness...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Recommendations on the Design of Pecuniary Penalties
    The Law Commission has reviewed the use of pecuniary penalties as a regulatory tool. Pecuniary penalties are financial penalties that policymakers are increasingly opting to use in place of criminal sanctions in order to punish and deter misconduct in...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Every worker will be affected by employment law changes
    Every worker will feel the effects of the government’s new employment laws and should join a union if they want to maintain and increase their wages and conditions, says New Zealand’s largest private sector union, the EPMU....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Shameful attack on all workers
    The Government has passed the Employment Relations Amendment Act slashing the rights of all Kiwi workers. “These changes are shameful. New Zealand now has some of the worst employment protections in the OECD. It is embarrassing that a country which...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Unnecessary law changes more to do with ideology
    The government’s employment law changes are simply ideological and are at odds with its approach in the related areas of health and safety and immigration law, FIRST Union said tonight....
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  • CTU Runanga calls on iwi leaders
    Maori workers are calling on iwi leaders to speak out against the employment law changes expected to go through today. “Iwi leaders have previously spoken out when workers in Aotearoa have been under attack, we believe they should do so...
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  • Educating children not the best solution to alcohol harm
    Alcohol Healthwatch says we need to look beyond educating children and young people to address deeply embedded attitudes and behaviours concerning alcohol....
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  • New code of welfare for rodeos released
    New standards to strengthen the animal welfare requirements for rodeos have been issued today by the Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy....
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  • IPCA report riddle with inaccuracies, say students
    A report by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is riddled with inaccuracies, say students who laid the original complaint with the IPCA....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CT v The Queen – indecency convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rameka v The Queen – murder convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
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  • Auckland Council Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald article that some Auckland households will face a rates rise of up to 9.6 per cent next year, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “Len Brown’s pledge to cap rates rises at 2.5 per...
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  • Stats NZ staff escalate action with ‘no more meetings’ rule
    Statistics NZ staff have voted to escalate their ongoing industrial action in an effort to get Stats NZ back to the bargaining table with a reasonable offer. The staff, who are members of the Public Service Association (PSA), have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Rape Crisis calls for changes to criminal justice system
    Wellington Rape Crisis has added its voice to the public outcry following the announcement that there will be no charges in the teen rape gang case. Butterworth says the decision not to lay charges will not have been a surprise...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Police action justified in Blockade the Budget demonstration
    Police actions in dealing with a demonstration in Central Auckland known as Blockade the Budget on 1 June 2012 were justified and appropriate, an Independent Police Conduct Authority report released today found....
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  • NZDF Joins with Australia to Commemorate WWI Centenary
    A contingent of New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel will join their Australian counterparts at Australia’s first major commemoration of the First World War centenary in Albany, Western Australia this weekend....
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  • Reserve Bank should reduce interest rate
    “The Reserve Bank should be reducing its policy interest rate, the OCR”, says CTU Economist Bill Rosenberg in response to the Bank’s announcement today that it is not increasing it....
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  • 2015 Stout Fellow will write about Māori & Criminal Justice
    Kim Workman, founder and advocate for the Robson Hanan Trust, which administers the Rethinking Crime and Punishment and Justspeak initiatives, has been awarded the 2015 John David Stout Fellowship at Victoria University....
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  • What John Key thought about ‘dirty politics’
    On September 20, John Key swept to victory to become one of New Zealand’s most successful and popular Prime Ministers. Rocked by scandal, the 2014 election campaign was one of the most brutal – and riveting – in recent history....
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  • Trade Deal Threatens Farmers and Food Businesses
    The secret Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations are a direct threat to food businesses and farmers, and a moratorium on the release of GE crops must be enshrined in law before the TPP is signed....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • CTU announces election of new Secretary
    The contested election for the position of CTU Secretary has been won by Sam Huggard. Sam officially takes office on Monday 1 December 2014. Sam has worked in the union movement and brings a wealth of experience and a commitment...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kim Workman awarded 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship
    The Victoria University of Wellington 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship, funded by the Stout Trust, has been awarded to justice reform advocate Kim Workman. Mr Workman (Ngati Kahungungu ki Wairarapa, Rangitaane) is well known for his work on criminal justice,...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • TPPA causing concern
    Concern over the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) negotiations is being expressed in two public meetings over the next week; one at a presentation on 5th November by former councillor Robin Gwynn to the Napier City Council, the...
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  • Kiwis rally to demand justice for ‘Roast Buster’ survivors
    Over 1,500 kiwis have rallied to demand justice after the announcement of the NZ Police decision not to lay charges in the ‘Roast Busters’ saga....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • New employment law will hurt the most vulnerable NZers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says changes to the Employment Relations Act, expected to be passed in Parliament tonight, will hurt vulnerable workers and their families more than anyone....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Consultation to close on proposed place names
    The New Zealand Geographic Board (NZGB) Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa today advised that only one month remains before public consultation closes for 18 name proposals for geographic features and places around Te Ika ā Māui (the North Island)....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Operation Clover – Statement from Police Commissioner
    I have taken a close interest in this investigation and I am confident police have conducted a thorough and professional enquiry in what has been a challenging and complex case. The Operation Clover team has ensured that victims have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Better policy would have protected children from recession
    Child Poverty Action Group says an international report released by UNICEF today shows good policy can protect and improve child well-being, even during a recession....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Outcome of Operation Clover investigation
    Police have completed a multi-agency investigation, Operation Clover, into the activities of a group calling themselves “The Roast Busters”. The 12 month enquiry focused on incidents involving allegations of sexual offending against a number of girls...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • False birth registration brings home detention
    A Whangarei woman who attempted to register the birth of a fictitious child to claim a sole parent benefit was sentenced to six months home detention in the Whangarei District Court today....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Family of Robert Ellis demand a proper investigation
    The family of a New Zealander killed in Indonesia are growing increasingly concerned at the lack of information they’ve received, and the handling of the investigation into his murder....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Minister of Health must account for aged care workers’ pay
    The New Zealand Federation of Business and Professional Women (BPW NZ) congratulates rest-home worker Kristine Bartlett on her landmark claim for equal pay from her employer and successfully pursuing this to the Court of Appeal....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
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