Written By: - Date published: 10:29 am, November 6th, 2008 - 136 comments
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Yesterday, John Key was telling journalists that he knew the secret agenda taper, Kees Keizer, was a Labour Party activist. In fact, he knew that wasn’t true, which is why he refused to name him.
The Herald has. And what it’s also reveled is a close relationship between Cameron Slater and the National Party research unit:
Mr Slater said he worked with the taxpayer-funded National Party research unit at identifying the spy by going through the Facebook sites of Young Labour members.
This is the same Cameron Slater who has:
Stalked John Minto and published a photo of his house
Alleged a Labour party candidate was a sexual pervert
Photoshopped the face of a 15 year old labour activist onto gay porn
There have been rumours that Slater has been feeding smears onto the internet on behalf of the National Party and has worked with their research unit to seed other information on their behalf. Now it looks increasingly likely this is true.
When John Key was asked about the tapes on last night’s news he talked about pigs in muck. It seems his team has been working with one of the biggest pigs of all.
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I remember Leighton on the radio many years ago if I had a day off school sick sleeping in the late 80s.. what a life being paid to moan day in day out on talkback, with the odd trip to New Orleans to sample wine and ogle mardi gra boobies… I guess its not all bad
and worst of all the fat pompous ass thinks he should have a say in the running of the country!
What goes around comes around. Slater may be one of those nutty libertarians but there are far fewer of them than grizzled old hard left socialists peddling similar lines from their side of the political fence.
Remember Helen Clark attacking the haters and wreckers, she was talking about a more left group than Labour, same side of the fence really. Once upon a time those people would have been in the Labour party. Left wing politics is very divisive.
Bobo
I haven’t listened to Leighton for years and 3 times was much to much. He thinks he is a new breed of Kiwi aristocracy and probably has a wife who’s an amazing servant woman.
One of the problems with our media right now is that the Newspaper side of things is owned largely by two large groups. One being APN publishing which is owned by Irish Billionaire “Tony Oreilly”.
http://www.businessday.co.nz/industries/telco_it/4748149
“Aside from the Herald, APN’s other Kiwi interests include The Listener, several regional newspapers such as The Northern Advocate and Hawkes Bay Today, plus 50 percent of the Radio Network whose stations include Newstalk ZB, Classic Hits and Radio Sport.”
Mr Oreilly has interests in and associations with Big Oil is in partnership with The Carlyle group in his Australian interests who are big in weaponry and strongly connected with the Neocons in the USA.
According to the article I’ve quoted from above he is looking at selling his stake in APN which I thought was more than the 39% quoted.
Lets watch too see who buys it as we certainly don’t want the growing cartel of international corporations controlling media here in NZ. Labour need to break it up or they are writing their own obituary as a party, just like the dems did. Most of what they now have to listen to in the US is right wing talk and propaganda. left wing talk shows have been brought up and shut down. look what it has led too. Complete looting of taxpayers worldwide to bail out all these parasites.
This is looking more and more murky on Farrar’s side. Regardless of the fact that Kees has made himself public, it’s looking awfully like Farrar and Slater have acted illegally in identifying him, someone who knows of all the relevant tools may want to try and recreate their path and see if it can be done with out the special access the National Party has to the electrol roll (that is supposed to be for campaigning not silencing criticism).
Gina,
We have had abortion on demand for 30 years and its been an accepted norm in our society.
Well, a poll late last year or early this year said 40+ per cent of New Zealanders think abortion is morally wrong (UMR State of the Nation), so I hardly think that’s acceptance that the country have abortion on demand.
The electoral roll is a public document. The habitation index may not be, but I could easily cross reference an electoral roll by reading every page until I found someone else at the same address.
“Most of what they now have to listen to in the US is right wing talk and propaganda. left wing talk shows have been brought up and shut down. look what it has led too. Complete looting of taxpayers worldwide to bail out all these parasites”
Absolute nonsense, research has found most of the major media in the US is left wing biased.
“…so I hardly think that’s acceptance that the country have abortion on demand.”
Beside the point scribe. Even more people would say that cheating on your spouse is immoral but no one thinks that should be illegal.
Pb,
It suggests that a large percentage of New Zealanders wouldn’t want there to be abortion on request (which is happening now). I’m not making the case here for abortion to be illegal.
Scribe
What poll was that. Please give us links and details. Was it an online poll etc.
There needs to be open debate amoung New Zealanders about the topic not National having a secret agenda and Key misleading women about his own anti-abortion views and hiding what happened in parliament last year.
I’ll bet most of the anti-abortionists are men who also don’t believe the state should help single mothers divorced or otherwise.
Quite honestly if people believe it’s morally wrong they should not have an abortion. Its easy no one is forcing them to have abortions. But these people want their own religious beliefs to rule me and other women who do not hold those same beliefs.
As I said chrurch has no place in state. Belief is just that in this case, no one knows for sure and no one is going to force me to pay for his or her religious belief when it is not my belief.
Perhaps you would like my religious beliefs to govern your life. You are all complaining about the nanny state yet you would like to control my life as a woman. You are the supernannies of NZ and thats putting it politely.
I also believe in God but my view is not the same as yours. I’m not trying to make you subject to my beliefs you are welcome not to have abortions.
gina you can guarantee that when Kiwi men start talking about abortion then they have an unnatural interest in womens parts, that they have only ever read one book in their lives (the bible) and their biggest fantasy is to be an old testament biblical patriarch like moses so everyone will do their bidding under fear of punishment from on high. pretty simple really
“It suggests that a large percentage of New Zealanders wouldn’t want there to be abortion on request ”
No it doesn’t. But so what anyway? Even it it did, majority rules so the big ol’ minority can go pound sand.
Gina,
It was the Mood of the Nation survey (State of the Nation was my mistake above) and it can be downloaded from here: http://www.umr.co.nz/Reports.php# — click on the January 08 report.
I agree that there needs to be an open debate about abortion, and the recent High Court ruling should be the catalyst for that.
Regarding Key, I’ve spoken to him about moral issues and I just don’t think Key is anti-abortion.
I’ll bet most of the anti-abortionists are men who also don’t believe the state should help single mothers divorced or otherwise.
What an incredibly unfair and inaccurate statement.
Quite honestly if people believe it’s morally wrong they should not have an abortion
So, in your view, nothing should be illegal. After all, just because you think something is illegal, that doesn’t mean it should be. You know, not wanting to impose on people, and all that.
Have you read the studies about the negative impact abortions have on the mental health of women? Our Government is sacrificing the well-being of women for an ideology.
Randall
Yep lots of these religious creeps at the head of the pulpit turn out to be raping young girls or boys.
If abortion becomes illegal they will be able to rape women without any complaint been laid as the victims will be worried re pregnancy and the difficulty of proving rape thus not qualifying for a legal abortion so will stay quiet so they can quietly have an illegal abortion if needed. These creeps don’t care if their victims die trying to have an illegal abortion.
This is what John Key voted for last year. Did it even occur to him that this would be an end product of his vote. If he has half a brain then it did, which makes him a major creep. If not then he has a smaller brain than Bush.
Scribe
Those studies on the mental health of women are more propaganda. If you want to know what women really feel about abortion go to “I’m No Sorry. Net” at imnotsorry.net
and read womens own accounts. Most women are made to feel bad about abortion by people like you scribe. Thats where the mental injury occurs. Harrassment about their decision which though is often difficult most women do not regret.
Gina,
What nonsense and hate-filled vitriol (tautology intentional).
Those studies on the mental health of women are more propaganda.
More nonsense. See the New Zealand study conducted by a pro-choice atheist on this topic: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10362476
You’re right that most studies in this area are clouded by the researchers’ views. Prof Fergusson reckons he’s the only researcher in this field who has published a study that goes against his personal ideology.
Scribe
“What nonsense and hate-filled vitriol (tautology intentional).”
Likewise.
I’m off now so you have the floor to yourself.
Gina
What a remarkably hate filled person you appear to be.
To smear the vast amount of today’s religious leaders as rapists is just appalling, it’s as bizarre as saying that lots of men are out there raping boys and girls. Don’t let the appalling behaviour of the very few scum slant your view of the largely good religious leaders who are the overwhelming majority
Gina,
I can’t see where I’ve said anything hate-filled in this entire thread. You, on the other hand, have apparently shown your true colours.
Higherstandard
In the USA now are now 1 in 6 women say they have been raped but they don’t complain much to authorities because they know the odds are against them getting any sort of fair treatment. 1 in 6 women raped means there are a lot of rapists out there. Granted some men are responsible for a bigger share of it and the bulk of men don’t rape.
Anyway my problem here is that National have a secret agenda on abortion and that John Key is not fronting up to NZ women with the truth to them as shown by his vote last year in parliament.
That should be known by women before they vote but it looks like they are going to go to the polls with no idea of something that happened in parliament last year which is a kick in the face to their right to an informed vote.
This is not innuendo or smearing. Key has dilberatly mislead women re his views and intent.
Lets put this on the table before we vote and see what happens. The thing is Key knows what will happen if women find out about this before they vote. National would loose.
Im off now probably to live in Victoria where womens rights are still strong.
scribe…any attack on womens rights is filled with hate by definition.
If you really cared about women then you would not be going down this track
are you so scared of women that the only way you can do anything about it is to proscribe their activities?
gina, please check your facebooks again.
It doesn’t actually matter whether Labour is directly linked to the tapes or not. What is important is that Labour has condoned their existence and use.
When I see people here complaining about the taping of Mike Williams in a Labour party conference, they have not condemned the taping by Keizer.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Scribe,
The “I’ll pray for you” line that people like you spout is a form of assault.
I, for one, wouldn’t want someone like you thinking about me while you mumble your mumbo jumbo.
yeah scribe..pray for SWAMPY
he needs it!
bill,
The “I’ll pray for you line” is one I use when people say hate-filled things like what Gina said:
Scribe I hope that in your next life that you are landed with no money 10 babies, are declared sinful for enjoying sex with no means of support and then become pregnant with quintuplets via rape and are stoned to death for your shame while your rapist goes free.
I want the best for people; others who disagree with me want me to be raped and stoned to death.
Who’s assaulting whom?
Scribe,
I never said I wanted any ill to befall you, I’m merely stating that you sitting around with you eye’s closed, or whatever it is you do, thinking about people is creepy, and I as one, find the thought of it uncomfortable.
I have also heard other people of your ilk use the same line and I’m fairly certain it is used to make the object feel uncomfortable. It certainly does me.
bill,
I know you didn’t wish ill on me — that’s Gina’s domain. I would never say “I’ll pray for you” to someone who I didn’t know would want that (not sure what others have done/do).
The people I know in the pro-life movement would never seek to make women feel guilty if she’d had an abortion. They/we realise that it’s a tough decision and one that can have major repercussions — see the study I linked to above. Those women need our support.