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Why I’m still worried

Written By: - Date published: 8:10 am, November 30th, 2012 - 90 comments
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Labour may still be well below its 2008 election result, when it was chucked out after 3 terms, but, thanks to the doubling of Greens support, Labour+Green is level pegging with National in the latest Roy Morgan. Add New Zealand First, and the opposition is well clear. Except, that’s not an election winning scenario for the Left.

NZF would go with National in that scenario. Why would Peters play third fiddle if he can play second?

And where’s the campaign buffer? Last election, Lab+Green shed 3% during the campaign as the Greens didn’t pick up all that Labour lost. And Goff was a pretty strong debater. You have to allow at least a similar margin for 2014.

Add that together and Lab+Greens needs to be polling at about 52% going into the campaign to be confident of making a coalition after the election. That’s 7% or more above where they’re averaging in recent months.

Either Labour needs to get into the late 30%s and all but destroy National’s lead or the Greens need to go even further into uncharted territory and start polling near 20%.

Can it be done? Sure. With good policy and inspiring leadership. But it would be a fool who looks at the current polling and assumes it’ll happen.

90 comments on “Why I’m still worried”

  1. Jenny Kirk 1

    You are right to be worried, Zetetic. If people think there’ll be a left coalition after the 2014 election, they need to think again – and a bit more deeply.

    No-one appears to be taking into consideration the fact that there was a massive number of people who did not vote in the last election – and that these people would appear to be mainly Labour supporters – if only the Labour Party had been able to canvass them and persuade them to vote on election day. But this didn’t happen.

    Labour at the time did not seem relevant to these people, and – I regret to say – probably still does not seem relevant. Instead the Party put up a new Leader who could not tell them (or us) what Labour stood for (and still does not appear to know what Labour stands for). He has had to go around the country listening to people to find out. It would have been better if he’d read and understood the policies put up by Labour in the last couple of elections (instead of spending his summer holidays surfing at a northern beach). Labour’s values and what it stands for were very clearly spelt out in those policies.

    At the same time, while the Nats are steadily working on their plan to sell our country to their overseas interests, Labour is not making much of a dent in exposing them. And when the time comes for the next election, Shon Key will put the charm on, his strategists willl up the hype, people will forget they are opposed to sale of soes, or whatever, and the populace will be fooled once more into voting the Nats back into power.

    Its a dismal prospect. And the mainstream media, of course, are helping them. The conference I attended at Ellerslie last weekend was a very different conference to the one the MSM has reported on, as has been highlighted in other posts on this site.

  2. Craig Glen Eden 2

    Labour has big problems unless their is a full Leadership vote in February 2013 in my view. Labour will not get anywhere near National at the next election if Shearer is in charge.

    The main reason for this is many long term Labour activist I know well won’t hang round if Shearer stays. For absolute certainty I can only speak directly for three Labour activists in my family and 6 2 tick voters who all intend to vote Green with their Party vote if the current Labour leadership remain.
    Many of my friends who are long term Labour activists are voicing the same frustration with the current situation.
    This whole Labour old guard MSM media created Cunliffe leadership attempt at conference was a total beat up.As a result the most effective Labour front bencher has been moved to the back bench and is now not allowed to speak to the media in what has to be the most public example of bullying I have seen in a long time.

    I think the Greens will be the winners from this certainly in terms of their Party vote, depending on developments in the future with Labour they could also start to get some very previously committed Labour Party activists.

    • Olwyn 2.1

      I did not go to the LP conference as I was out of Auckland at the time, though I went to the meetings prior to it in which the changing role of the membership was discussed. By my reading, the caucus seems to have acted with the sort of bad faith one associates with something like the POAL/MUNZ dispute. It is as if the ABC’s said to the members, “OK, so you have voted yourselves a real say in the leadership, despite our urging otherwise. Well, we’ll make sure you have no one to vote for apart from us. Take that!” Because of this I have no trust or confidence in them whatsoever. It looks to me as if the party has once again been hijacked. So any policy they announce comes under suspicion of saying one thing but meaning another. I am also irritated by the way in which they speak as if they had authority when they do not. Their bad faith has robbed them of it. While the same configuration continues to rule the Labour Party I cannot vote Labour.

    • David H 2.2

      If they don’t sort this out, I think it will be
      the Nats get back in with Winston. And that will be the end of him, as his constituents will have a conniption fit.
      So 1st National
      2nd Greens
      3rd Labour
      4th NZ First
      5th Mana
      and the rest are all dead.

  3. vto 3

    Is it just me or is there a bit of a concerted effort at female bullying in Parliament.

    Some time ago the gardener Maggie Barry got stuck into Jacinda Adern about not commenting on motherhood until actually a mother. And now Paula Bennett having a crack at jacinda as well … ” zip it, sweetie”. Are they trying to shake Jacinda and see what falls out?

    Or is it just some rough and tumble fun in the mudpit?

    • karol 3.1

      Of course, the MSM picks up on this and not the outrageous stats being revealed  in response to the question.  Ardern just tweeted the whole incident off:

      Bennett telling me to ‘zip it sweetie’ was a first.Kids in the gallery could be forgiven for thinking they were watching a Hairspray revival

       Jacinda Ardern ‏@jacindaardern
      @leighhart70 might have noticed I wasn’t going to bother having the speaker up about it. I get the 50s charm pretty regularly.

      • vto 3.1.1

        Yep, I guess schoolyard behaviour is pretty easy to circumvent.

        What does she mean by 50’s charm? The charm of people from the 50s? Or the charm of people in their 50s? Either way that sort of dig could also be seen in similar light to the sweetie line, just from a different mangled angle.

    • felix 3.2

      Nasty pieces of work, those two.

      Nat men have always been misogynists but now they’re well advised to let the women on their side do the dirty work for them.

    • joe90 3.3

      You’d have to admit that the resemblance is absolutely Divine.

      • Rogue Trooper 3.3.1

        that divine character crossed my mind just yesterday and the comparison I often see; Bennett is very
        very transparent, probably watched a lotta Betty Rizzo lines and Greasepaint

    • Colin 3.4

      Jacinda Ardern is not a true Labour beliver she is just an inept career politician

  4. tarkwin 4

    As Craig unintentionally points out, the Greens are Labours real enemy. The sooner Labour realises this the better.

    • Socialist Paddy 4.1

      The greens are not Labour’s enemy.  The enemy are self serving careerists amongst Labour’s parliamentary ranks.

    • felix 4.2

      Bullshit tarkwin.

      The Greens are Labour’s only chance to ever get near government again, and if they aren’t deliberately working toward that outcome they’re dead already.

      • Sailor Sam 4.2.1

        A Green-Labour government will be more likely, with Russel Norman as PM and David (Shearer/Cunliffe) as the leader of the minority party.
        Labour as we know it is finished it will not regain stature unless it stops hiding behind the “Rainbow Faction”.

    • fatty 4.3

      Not sure about that…MMP means they will be together after the next election, dunno how that makes them enemies. Labour’s enemy is the greed that pulses through the veins of their incompetent and out of touch inner circle. Labour’s enemy is their self-centred MPs who think they can waltz into power in 2014 with a bumbling leader.

    • Jackal 4.4

      Don’t be an idiot tarkwin. The Greens are Labours best chance at winning the next election. If Labour turns on the Greens it will not help them in any way whatsoever. They would have to adopt the same juvenile attack lines of the Nats and then the chorus of Labour lite would start all over again. Besides, there’s very little to attack the Greens on, being that Labour is mostly in agreement with them on policy matters and have shown they can already work together. If Labour was to undermine a coalition deal with the Greens by focusing on the wrong target, they will be doing their chances at becoming the next government no favours at all.

      I disagree with Zetetic’s analysis here. Firstly there’s already a buffer in place that MSM polling doesn’t recognize. Polling for the Greens and Labour is consistently bellow what they actually attain at election time. There’s also more chance that NZ First will side with a left wing coalition, being that both Winston Peters and John Key have said they cannot work together. It’s only been Key who later proclaimed he could work with Winston after it became apparent Act and United Future would be toast after the next election.

      The fact that the left lost some ground during campaigning wasn’t related to how effective Phil Goff was as a debater, it was related to the amount of coverage each side attained from the MSM. A recent study showed that John Key had twice as much coverage as Phil Goff in the countries most read newspapers. The same bias was apparent on TV as well. There is no doubt that coverage equals votes, so ensuring that bias doesn’t occur again is paramount to having a fair fight. Shearer has already demonstrated on numerous occasions that he’s a match for John Key. In fact he’s likely to utterly trounce the deluded investment banker.

      I think Labour will easily get into the mid thirties and the Greens will continue to grow their vote. They should look at a confidence and supply agreement with NZ First and the Maori party. It would be nice to see a Motion of No Confidence bringing about a snap election sometime in the near future, but it might be better for the left to wait until they’re sure to rise and have the numbers to form a strong left government focused on fixing the damage to New Zealand the neo-liberal agenda has caused.

      • weka 4.4.1

        “There’s also more chance that NZ First will side with a left wing coalition, being that both Winston Peters and John Key have said they cannot work together.”
         
        I’d rather not rely on ‘more chance’ esp when Peters’ defining characteristic is self-interest. His other defining characteristic is that he changes his mind (or lies depending on how you see it).
         
        He’s said he won’t work with the Greens, why do you believe his statement about NACT but not his statement about the GP?
         

        • Jackal 4.4.1.1

          Do try to keep up weka… You’re making assumptions on NZ Firsts pre-election statement that they would not work with any other party. Winston Peters has more recently stated:

          GREG In 2005, you went into government with Labour, but only on the condition that Greens were not included. Do you still rule working with the Greens out?

          WINSTON Well, again, you know, if these discussions are important, the facts are important as well. We didn’t go into government with the Labour Party. We had a confidence and supply agreement with the Labour Party. At the time, we could not see how we could reconcile our policies with the Green Party’s policies, and that’s what we said. As for the future, well, we’ll see how things develop.

          [...]

          GREG Whatever you want to call it, though, can you rule out any NZ First-National coalition, supply, whatever you want to call it? Can you rule out any agreement with National come 2014?

          WINSTON We have never ruled agreements in or out before the public has had a chance to vote. And if I could just make this request: please do not ask Winston Peters or NZ First to start answering questions about forming coalitions two and a half years out from an election or one year out or six months out, because we have never fallen for that, and in that respect, we have been the only party who has never done that.

          GREG John Key has said he’s not going to rule out working with you. Is that not just a little bit insulting?

          WINSTON Well, I don’t really respond to what John Key says and does. He has all sorts of pretentious statements about things and values. This is someone who worked for one of the most corrupt business in the world, namely Merrill Lynch.

          Clearly Winston Peters hasn’t lied… He’s merely positioned NZ First so that they can be a part of the next government.

          Being that his comments about John Key are thoroughly negative (and entirely justifiable in my opinion), it would seem an untenable position for him to work with the National party in its current form.

          The right wing are simply desperate that NZ First will help them form a government, because they currently don’t have the numbers, which is why there is all this talk of Winston working alongside Key… A bit like chalk and cheese if you ask me.

          • weka 4.4.1.1.1

            Leaving aside your patronising opener, Peters lied to his constituency in the 1996 election where many people voted for NZF because they thought he would form a coalition with Labour, and instead he went with National and enabled them to form government (he also undermined the credibility of the new MMP system, which we have never really gotten over). Voters left NZF in droves after that. If you believe that what Peters says is reliable, by all means do so, but it’s a risk I don’t think the left should be taking. At best he is an if all else fails option.
             
            As for his recent utterances about NACT and the Greens, he’s just hedging his bets like he always has, and I see no evidence at all that he is willing to work with the Greens. Closer to the election he might start to make noises about being open to that (without of course committing himself to anything, but (a) I still wouldn’t trust anything he says pre-election (see my first point), and (b) it’s not a risk the left should be taking (relying on him). 
             
            btw, the bits you quote support my argument not yours. The guy is not reliable.
             
            There are other reasons to be very wary of Peters, not least that the ABCs’ policies are closer to his. Which just brings us to you being more supportive of a centre left govt than those of us who want a left govt.

            • Jackal 4.4.1.1.1.1

              The opener was slightly patronizing because you’re clearly deluded weka and trying to promote untruths again.

              Winston says:

              As for the future, well, we’ll see how things [Green coalition] develop.

              First weka says:

              He’s said he won’t work with the Greens.

              Then contradicts:

              I see no evidence at all that he is willing to work with the Greens.

              Meanwhile the Greens, Labour and NZ First have been working together on a number of things… Here’s an example that shows you’re ideologically blinded to the possibility of a Greens/Labour/NZ First coalition.

              Which just brings us to you being more supportive of a centre left govt than those of us who want a left govt.

              Get real weka… It’s not about a me supporting a centre left or left government, it’s about the left halting internal bickering and focusing on what the real problem is. Without the left focusing on National’s destructive agenda, there won’t be a centre left or left government to choose from. In other words, you won’t get a left government by undermining the centre left… It’s as simple as that.

              • weka

                Are you denying that Peters has previously said he won’t work with the Greens?
                 
                Saying he will see how things develop is Peters speak for I’ll jump whichever way I damn well please when the time comes. Hardly an expression of good faith to work with a potential coalition partner.
                 
                You are naive in the extreme if you think Peters is reliable.
                 
                As for the work that L/GP/NZF have done together, that’s great. It doesn’t show an intent or ability to form a govt together.
                 
                I’ve asked quite a few times on ts for someone to describe how they see a L/GP/NZF coalition working. No-one has done that yet. So by all means tell us how you see it working in real world terms: who would be doing what, what kinds of policies would be supported, what compromises etc.
                 

                First weka says:

                He’s said he won’t work with the Greens.

                Then contradicts:

                I see no evidence at all that he is willing to work with the Greens.
                 

                That’s not a contradiction. Methinks you are making shit up about my words :roll: He has said in the past that he won’t work with the GP in a govt. And nothing he has said since suggests that that has changed in any meaningful way.

          • Rogue Trooper 4.4.1.1.2

            I remember that interview Greg like it was yesterday; just sniffing around Jackal

          • Rogue Trooper 4.4.1.1.3

            I remember that interview Greg like it was yesterday; just sniffing around Jackal :) may be a duplicate
            rogue comment; freakin technology ;)

          • Fortran 4.4.1.1.4

            Jackal

            Winston is Prostitute – he will sell his body to the highest bidder whatever, and the MSM will continue to give him enormous support as they did at the last election.
            I am sure that without the MSM support he did not expect to be back in Parliament.

            • Jackal 4.4.1.1.4.1

              Winston gained pre-election media attention because he had the guts to let the public know what John Key and Banks said on a somewhat notorious tea pot tape. As far as I can tell, there was no bias in the amount of coverage NZ First attained.

          • Draco T Bastard 4.4.1.1.5

            Being that his comments about John Key are thoroughly negative (and entirely justifiable in my opinion), it would seem an untenable position for him to work with the National party in its current form.

            And everybody thought the same in 1996 as well.

      • gobsmacked 4.4.2

        If Labour turns on the Greens it will not help them in any way whatsoever.

        Agreed. But Shane Jones has been attacking the Greens, openly and unpleasantly. With the tacit approval of the Labour leadership.

        Jones clearly hasn’t been disloyal to his leader, because Shearer is very tough on disloyalty, isn’t he?

        Polling for the Greens and Labour is consistently below what they actually attain at election time.

        Not true for Labour in 2011. It’s true that in 2005, Labour got the vote out. Different leader, different party activists, different times. Gone now.

        The same bias was apparent on TV as well. There is no doubt that coverage equals votes

        For David Shearer, the opposite is true. Labour have gone up in the polls this year when the media focus has been on Key and the government screwing up. When the leader of the opposition is Kim Dotcom or John Campbell or school principals, Labour do OK (by default). When the official leader of the opposition pops up, not so much.

        Shearer has already demonstrated on numerous occasions that he’s a match for John Key. In fact he’s likely to utterly trounce the deluded investment banker.

        And we’re jumping the shark …

        • Colonial Viper 4.4.2.1

          And we’re jumping the shark …

          +1 what the frak is it with the Shearer Bearers?

          How is it that they think a statement like Shearer has “demonstrated on numerous occasions that he’s a match for John Key. In fact he’s likely to utterly trounce the delubded investment banker” is not going to be met with immediate and incredulous derision?

        • Jackal 4.4.2.2

          It’s a bit confusing when you conflate two entirely separate incidents in an attempt to undermine Shearers leadership gobsmacked… Please try not to do that.

          Firstly we don’t know if Shane Jones has the support of his party or Shearer when he has attacked the Greens, it’s likely he doesn’t. Do you honestly expect Shearer to publicly chastise Jones over his statements? Get real FFS! It’s more likely that Jones is simply mouthing off, especially considering many of his statements contradict what Labours actual policy states. The same can be said about Su’a William Sio and his opposition to the same-sex marriage bill. I disagree with both of them btw, but defend their right to have an opinion and make it public if they want to.

          The problem here is that many on the left are arguing for censorship of MPs who have differing beliefs to those that the majority of their party and members support. The MSM has used this in an attempt to undermine Labour by painting it as divided, when it’s by far more cohesive and co-operative than National could ever be. Labour’s division is simply a right wing marketing campaign that should be taken with a pinch of salt.

          In terms of David Cunliffe’s demotion, the MSM and many leftwing bloggers basically gave Shearer little choice but to stamp his authority as leader of the Labour party. Wrongly or rightly the public perception was that Cunliffe was being disloyal. In fact whatever he said was manipulated and used against Labour, even when he emphatically voiced his support for Shearer and voted to retain him as leader. So don’t blame Labour, blame misreporting and deluded commentators.

          Your assertion that the polling has favoured Labour when Shearer is not in the news is blatantly false. Firstly there was a lot of negative coverage during the last round of polling that was designed to undermine Labour. This overshadowed Labours housing policy and other positive aspects of their conference, and while getting yourself in the news is usually a good thing for politicians, the purely negative coverage surrounding the supposed leadership challenge had the opposite effect and meant a reduction in support of 1%. Besides, we’re placing far to much merit in polling, which have a huge margin of error and favour the right wing anyway.

          I’m not jumping the shark either… My observation is that Shearer is a competent orator and experienced debater. He also believes in what Labour wants to achieve. John Key on the other hand still mumbles like an illiterate fool, and obviously has lost much of his drive to remain Prime Minister.

          • Sunny 4.4.2.2.1

            @ Jackal.

            Mate, you’ve GOT to be kidding! Poor old Shearer is cringe making bad. An orator?! He’s ghastly, appalling and, as far as I can make out, tricksy!

            He makes Goff look like JFK ! And Goff was useless with his grin and his motorbike and his weird strut thing he adopted a la Pagini…Goff lost the election despite our loyalty and Shearer will lose the next one…if we let him (or Robertson) hang on to the leadership. Democracy now!

            • Jackal 4.4.2.2.1.1

              So you’re basically saying that Labour will lose the next election no matter who is leader… I think you’re wrong! You do realize that saying Shearer is cringe making bad and also tricksy is a contradiction in terms? Perhaps you might like to work on your insults a bit before commenting further Sunny.

  5. Blue 5

    This theory is at odds with Labour’s idea that they can sleepwalk to victory doing nothing more than waiting for John Key to stuff up and hoping that Shearer will transmogrify into a fantastic political leader overnight if they wish it hard enough.

    • karol 5.1

      Yet Chris Trotter has made this claim:

      Persistent questioning would also have uncovered evidence that it was supporters of Grant Robertson, not Mr Cunliffe, who had been gauging the level of support for a leadership spill in the weeks leading up to the Conference. No hint of these alternative narratives appeared anywhere in the MSM.

      But if Robertson aims to replace Shearer, isn’t he already tainted by the way Cunliffe was taken out?

      • Blue 5.1.1

        Robertson kept his hands clean this time – Shearer’s the one who got dirty over the Cunliffe demotion.

        But if Robertson wants the job, he’s going to have a fight on his hands. Shearer’s not so much a malleable patsy as he is gifted with deluded, born-to-rule arrogance. He’s not giving the job up, so Robertson will have to knife him. And that will leave a stain.

  6. Craig Glen Eden 6

    The other thing I think we will see is some bleeding of Nat vote to NZF and the Conservatives, this is also going to compound Labours problems, because that would appear to be the vote they are trying to attract with Shearer.
    The so called left might get their but not without Winston making NZF a even stronger factor/influence than before.

  7. Matthew Hooton 7

    You should be worried. The poll at http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2012/4842 gives NZ First the balance of power. He will always prefer to be the number two party in a National-led government than the number three in a Labour/Green-led one. Plus, he is so small-c conservative he will always choose the incumbent (Bolger in 1996 and Clark in 2005). Also, National will give him anything and will agree to knight him. So Labour/Green need to hit 48% of the vote between them to be assured of governing. One proviso though – there is a (small) possibility the National caucus would rebel if the leadership sought to do a deal with Peters. If Peters responded by saying he would abstain on confidence and supply, that might hand power to Labour/Green (as long as it had one more MP than National/UF/etc). Obviously such an outcome would be a fiasco (as any outcome always is that involves Peters having power) and the better outcome for NZ is always a National-led or Labour/Green-led government over one that involves him in any way whatsoever.

    • ianmac 7.1

      Roy Morgan noted: “Ongoing leadership tensions — particularly in the main Opposition Labour Party between Labour Leader David Shearer and leadership contender David Cunliffe — appear to explain why Labour has been unable to present the united front it needs to increase its vote and close the gap with Key’s governing National.”
      And still the wranglers snipe away at Labour Leadership to assist National’s cause.

      • Jackal 7.1.1

        +1 Now they have presented the next contender for the throne in an attempt to rejuvenate a tired old and largely demented debate. Meanwhile commentators are heaping praise on Judith Collins and Jerry Brownlee as possible leaders of the National party, but there’s no talk of any backstabbing on the right wing of course… It’s all fluffy bunnies over their.

        • David H 7.1.1.1

          Collins and Brownlee??? for Leaders of the National Party?? Oh please, as they both have as much charisma, and finesse, as a Bull frog at mating time.

      • Anne 7.1.2

        And still the wranglers snipe away at Labour Leadership to assist National’s cause.

        Bear in mind who the wranglers really are.

        It’s not David Cunliffe or his supporters in caucus and elsewhere.

        Craig Glen Eden is right. It was the worst case of public mischief and bullying (by a relatively small bunch of petulant caucus members who were sorely miffed because a majority of Conference delegates dared to vote for more say in the Party’s internal affairs) that I have witnessed.

        We’ll blame it on David Cunliffe. We’ll claim it was all a set-up by him and his supporters to topple Shearer.

        In the fabled words of Tim Shadbolt… bullshit and jellybeans!

        It will be interesting to see who is ‘demoted’ come the caucus re-shuffle. Will most of Cunliffe’s supporters be vanished to the back benches too? Intelligent and able performers like Charles Chauval and Sue Moroney (to name just two of them) in the interest of spite and vengeance?

        • David H 7.1.2.1

          Those that should go to the back are Mallard, King, & Hipkins, for starters. But if the Media is true to form in about January whispers will start. 99% chance it will be Gower at TV3 that starts them, but they will start. So a couple of things need to happen 1: Shearer needs to step down. 2: A DEMOCRATIC (No Media allowed) vote HAS to be taken and abided by. 3: The Dinosaurs (they know who they are) need to resign, and let some new blood, with new ideas in. And TV3 Need to find out the cost of their bullshit!

        • Crimson Nile 7.1.2.2

          It has already been said by others, but when there are two significant power blocks in caucus, real leadership would find a way of bringing them together. The authoritarian approach of ‘divide and rule’ runs completely counter to the values of a left wing party.

          • Anne 7.1.2.2.1

            So true Crimson Nile.

            It is very sad indeed that David Shearer has allowed himself to be hoodwinked by the ABC gang. I guess it’s an example of his lack of political experience. I’ve used the word before but I use it again… the whole scenario smacks of ‘paranoia’. Just like the good old days when Cold War paranoia was at it’s peak, this caucus gang (and their mates) saw a conspiracy where there wasn’t a conspiracy. They saw disloyalty where there wasn’t disloyalty. They misinterpreted any criticism – no matter how mild – as evidence of a widespread campaign to undermine them and David Shearer.

            They will never publicly admit it of course, but if David Shearer wants to mend the badly broken fences there are three things he must do:

            He must reinstate David Cunliffe to the Front Bench and with his economic portfolio.

            He must brush aside all efforts to get him to punish Cunliffe’s caucus supporters because they have done nothing to deserve it.

            He must reach out to ALL members and supporters and show us he is genuine in his desire for a united caucus and party.

            • Colin 7.1.2.2.1.1

              All true Shearer is being set up by Grant Roberston who hopes to lead after disposing of Shearer

        • Anne 7.1.2.3

          @ 7.1.2
          ooops… the word is vanquished – not vanished.

    • fatty 7.2

      Obviously such an outcome would be a fiasco (as any outcome always is that involves Peters having power) and the better outcome for NZ is always a National-led or Labour/Green-led government over one that involves him in any way whatsoever.

      Except of course the last time Peters was in a coalition with Labour, that was quite stable. You persistent framing of Peters as being unstable within a coalition is only true within a National led coalition. Scaremongering probably works with the simpletons, but you’ll have to do better than that here…its getting a bit tiresome
      Just because Peters walked all over National last time they were in power together does not mean it will happen again. At the moment we have the Maori Party and ACT within a stable coalition, despite their ideological differences.

      • Enough is Enough 7.2.1

        It was stable… but it is also arguable that the Peters/Glenn saga (“beat up”) contributed to the electorate fatigue of the Labour government. If Peters hadn’t been part of that government I think Helen would have got her fourth term and his stench stuck to her.

        History tell us that if Peters is in your government you will prbably be kicked out at the next election

        • fatty 7.2.1.1

          but it is also arguable that the Peters/Glenn saga (“beat up”) contributed to the electorate fatigue of the Labour government.

          Nah, National were way ahead in the polls before that happened. NZ had become sick of the (imagined) nanny-state and Helen Clark had overstayed her welcome. As a country we had experienced a sustained period of economic growth (also imagined – via a housing bubble) which meant that the public began to tire of Clarke’s authoritarian image and an easy going Donkey suited the voters. At that time the NZ public couldn’t see the impending GFC. Clark was never going to get that 4th term against Donkey, not in that economic environment. NZ’s libertarian nature came through.
          Can’t blame Winston for that, the 2008 loss was due to the public discourse that centred on shower heads, school tuck-shop regulations and lightbulbs. The 9 years of perceived economic stability meant that economic protection from the government was no longer desired by voters, instead voters wanted freedom from bureaucracy. My guess is that there were very few voters who had voted Red in 2002/2005 that switched to Blue because of Peters. It was poor PR from Labour, and exceptional PR from National.

          • millsy 7.2.1.1.1

            IMO Labour’s 2008 election loss was probably the best thing to happen to the left. Clark had been Labour leader for too long and her government wasant all that left wing. Especially when she took on United Future as C and S partners. The next Labour government will probably be more left-wing than the last one was. It may not be as left as some on here may want it to be, but I think it will be willing to at least think about taking the knife to neo-liberalism’s sacred cows.

      • Matthew Hooton 7.2.2

        I don’t know where you get the idea Peters walked over National in the 1996-1998 government. He used to read out whatever Bill Birch put in front of him, including asset sales, just as he read out Helen Clark’s talking points on foreign policy (despite opposing her number one foreign policy objective, the China FTA, and supporting the War on Terror, which she was, at best, lukewarm on). Policywise, he delivers stability, it is just that (1) it is inherently absurd having a conman like him in high office and (2) there will always be some sort of temper tantrum or ethics scandal that will prevent the government being re-elected. I agree with Enough is Enough: had Clark won just enough in 2005 to not need Peters then I think she would have got a 4th term.

        • fatty 7.2.2.1

          I don’t know where you get the idea Peters walked over National in the 1996-1998 government.

          Because I never said from 1996-1998, I said National. Peters pulled support in 1998 and the Nat’s coalition fell to pieces. Wiki has all the details

          he read out Helen Clark’s talking points on foreign policy (despite opposing her number one foreign policy objective, the China FTA, and supporting the War on Terror, which she was, at best, lukewarm on). Policywise, he delivers stability,

          Exactly, he was stable for Labour.

          it is just that (1) it is inherently absurd having a conman like him in high office and (2) there will always be some sort of temper tantrum or ethics scandal that will prevent the government being re-elected.

          Yeah, except that never happened when he was part of the last coalition with Labour. Ethically he’s no different from most Labour and National ministers, or Peter Dunne / Act etc.

          I agree with Enough is Enough: had Clark won just enough in 2005 to not need Peters then I think she would have got a 4th term.

          thought you would, see my post above. Labour’s loss in 2008 had nothing to do with Winston.

  8. ak 8

    History tell us that if Peters is in your government you will prbably be kicked out at the next election

    Nup. It tells you that if anyone looks remotely like holding the balance of power, the no-mates gnats will either mercilessly crucify them at the drop of a hat or promise them the earth.

    Crucifixion’s out this time, the promises will have begun already. And the Hooters are paving the way. Hilarious to anyone who can remember what they did to and wrote about Winnie in 08. Sorry, Hooter, but he certainly can.

    • Matthew Hooton 8.1

      I remember exactly what I said and wrote about him in 2008. That’s he’s a liar, a crook, and thief and he should have gone to jail. BTW, anyone know how the so-called Susan Couch Trust is getting on? Did she ever get anything? Be assured, I wrote above what I think WILL happen not what I WANT to happen. And I think what WILL happen, if Labour/Green/Mana don’t have the numbers, is that he will back National and National will accommodate that (absent a backbench revolt).

      • thatguynz 8.1.1

        So given the opportunity what would you write about John Banks or Don Brash?

        • McFlock 8.1.1.1

          lol
             
          John Banks is a fine upstanding citizen with private sector success being matched by a long history of public service and an unmatched reputation for integrity.
           
          Winston Peters a liar, a crook, and thief and he should have gone to jail.
                 
           
          Hang on, did I get those around the right way? :)
           

        • thatguynz 8.1.1.2

          As expected Matthew, nothing.. Stop trying to position yourself as a political commentator. You are nothing but a spin doctor and when asked to think, you shirk… I expected more but I guess more fool me.

      • ak 8.1.2

        Backbench tory revolt. To stay out of power. Ta Matto, needed that, I DID :)
        Sorry old son, but I can tell you now, he WON’T.

      • vto 8.1.3

        Mr Hooton, you go on about Peters being a coork (I mean a crook) and a thief, as if this figures in your assessments of the use and integrity of people in political power.

        How do you get on with John Key, John Banks, Nick Smith, David Carter, on it goes? Thinking Ecan and the lies around the initial sacking and the extension of the dictatorship. And similarly the rort around South Canterbury Finance. There are countless examples.

        I am just curious. Do you just turn a blind eye to similar acts on your side of the political rainbow?

      • geoff 8.1.4

        Speaking of liars and such, have you read this book, Matthew?
        http://www.thehollowmen.co.nz/

      • RedBaron 8.1.5

        Er Matt how do you figure into your sledging of Winston, the winebox?
        Showed a bunch of right wing dirty dealings from memory and I always figured that the beat up about him around the 2008 election was somebody getting even with him over the winebox disclosures. Massive distraction that all came to zero in terms of wrongdoing.

        Must have been the right’s worst nightmare when he got back in, in 2011.

        • felix 8.1.5.1

          Hmm, there’s probably a pretty good intersection between ACT party funders and winebox actors. The crooks who looted the common wealth in the 80s are the same crooks who set up the party, after all.

  9. At the actual election The Greens never get the percentage that they poll at.

    No one seems to want to admit this on these boards.

    • felix 9.1

      Hey Brett, do you remember what you were predicting for the Greens last time?

      About 7% wasn’t it?

      • Crimson Nile 9.1.1

        There are Labour activists in Wellington who feel that the Greens can’t possibly go higher than 14% or at a push 15% in 2014, even in an extreme circumstance. Not sure if that’s based on some kind of substantial analysis, or simply vain hope.

        • Lanthanide 9.1.1.1

          Assuming the Labour party gets it’s act together, I think that’s a reasonable belief to hold.

          However if Labour doesn’t get their act together, which at the moment they don’t look like they will, then it’s a vain hope.

    • Lanthanide 9.2

      Neither does National. Or NZ First for that matter. What’s your point?

    • lprent 9.3

      Huh? I point that out regularly. What do you read me saying?

      The typical drop is in the order to 1-2%

      I also regularly “admit” that National regularly polls 2-3% above what they receive on the day. NZF will often get a few percent more than they poll on the day. Labour is usually pretty close.

      These are all systematic and long standing biases in the polls.

    • millsy 9.4

      They got a lot more than they got at previous elections.

  10. lefty 10

    No coalition could survive having the enormous egos of both Winston Peters and Russel Norman in it.

    And would a coalition of Shearer, Peters and Norman be left of National?

  11. I would be more concerned about the polls in mid 2013, then will be a pretty telling sign of whether the Key cult has lost its popularity.

  12. Treetop 12

    When I hear Labour in the house speaking passionately about a policy issue in a news item I feel good about the Labour party. King did this, this morning about city councils now being restricted. The Labour party have to get the media behind them, they have to bring Cunliffe back as finance minister and put forward at question time a lot of economic questions.

    Labour get the big guns out, ask the big policy questions and complain loudly if there is media bias.

    Shearer needs to take up a portfolio which is suited to his work at the UN and if he does not shine, dump him in mid 2013 as then I will be convinced that he does not have what it takes to be leader.

    • RedBaron 12.1

      Given the media are in right wing pockets Labour might have more success if they had the blogs behind them!

  13. michael 13

    If a rump Labour caucus, comprised of members in the safest seats and at the top of the list, has to do deals with NZ First and the Greens in order to move into the Beehive, it can continue with “business as usual” and won’t have to implement the policy changes the membership want. I concede that the Greens are likely to drive any changes that do take place, but “Labour” can always point to Winston as its excuse for not introducing them. All Winston wants, apart from the baubles of office of course, is a bit of xenophobia from the ninth floor, to scare foreigners away (and their money, too). The Greens don’t want foreigners raping and pillaging what remains of the environment, so they’ll probably go along with it, leaving Labour to run the ship of state on autopilot, with the helm set somewhere to the right of dead ahead.

    • kiwicommie 13.1

      National wants to turn NZ into the Japan of the 19th to mid 20th century.

      • the pigman 13.1.1

        Fuck knows what you think you are talking about. Meiji Era Japan was a manufacturing paradise that, throughly highly interventionalist government policy, pursued the expansion of trade, the import of raw materials to supply all of Asia with manufactured goods.

        Actually, I’m not sure you know, either…

        • Colonial Viper 13.1.1.1

          The Japanese also ended up supplying all of Asia with advanced tanks, destroyers, aircraft carriers, bombers,…

    • George D 13.2

      Exactly. A Labour-Green government could mean real change, if Labour have a leadership that is actually inspired by change, rather than simply governing, and if NZFirst’s reactionary constituency have no influence over policy.

      Otherwise, we’re back to the last term of the 5th Labour Government, which was certainly better than the alternative, but lacked the ability to inspire anyone. It’s no wonder they lost so spectacularly.

  14. Bit shy about making a comment, but certainly hope Labour get as many votes as possible at the next election. Amen.

    • r0b 14.1

      Welcome princess, please don’t be shy. If you’ve been watching a while you know there’s all sorts of people here. Don’t let the loons upset you, talk to the interesting ones….

    • Treetop 14.2

      I make heaps of spelling mistakes and see them after I comment, so I remind myself it is not a spelling bee.
      I have my ups and downs with content, some days my brain works better than others.
      I have my favourite subjects, some subjects bore me.
      The laughs are free, I like a good laugh even at myself.
      I don’t let anyone upset me with a smart arse reply, the smart arse could be a neighbour or a relative and next time I see them I could be greeted warmly.

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    The Green Party is challenging Treasury officials to work for a week without eating properly, in light of their advice to Government that a food in schools programme is not needed."Treasury's advice was that providing food for children in schools...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Councils need to better protect our drinking water
    Environment Canterbury (ECan) is proposing several variations to its regional land and water plan that will allow for increased nutrient and other pollution from irrigation and intensive agriculture on the Canterbury Plains. Commissioners are hearing submissions on Variation 1 to...
    Greens | 15-10
  • National needs to commit to making NZ workers safe
    The National Government must do more to help make New Zealand workplaces a safer place to work in, Green Party industrial relations spokesperson Denise Roche said today.Data released by Statistics New Zealand today showed that workers in the fishing and...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Key commits to deployment before consultation or analysis
    John Key’s offer to consult Opposition parties on whether to deploy New Zealand forces against ISIS looks increasingly like a PR exercise only, says Labour’s Defence spokesperson, Phil Goff. “The presence of New Zealand’s Chief of Defence Force at a...
    Labour | 15-10
  • National must end ideological opposition to raising income
    If John Key is serious about tackling child poverty he must approach it with an open mind, and overcome his ideological block to raising incomes as a solution, the Green Party said today.Papers released to Radio New Zealand today show...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Pentagon links climate change and terrorism
    Yesterday the Pentagon launched a plan to deal with a threat that “poses immediate risks to national security”; one that “will affect the Department of Defense’s ability to defend the nation”. It wasn’t referring to Ebola or ISIS. It was...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Four Nominees for Labour’s Leadership
    As at 5pm today four valid nominations had been received for the position of Labour Leader, as follows: Andrew Little(nominated by Poto Williams and Iain Lees-Galloway) Nanaia Mahuta(nominated by Louisa Wall and Su’a William Sio) David Parker(nominated by Damien O’Connor...
    Labour | 14-10
  • Green Party calls for consultation over terrorism law changes
    The Green Party has today written to the Prime Minister asking him to engage in wider consultation prior to changing any laws as a result of the recently announced terrorism law reviews, said the Green Party today. In a letter...
    Greens | 14-10
  • MPI must name product and supermarket chain
    The Ministry of Primary Industries must name the product responsible for severe gastroenteritis affecting people around the country, and the supermarket chain distributing it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “The Ministry seems to be more concerned about protecting...
    Labour | 13-10
  • John Key dishonest about reasons for wanting to change terrorism law
    John Key is misleading the public to push through terrorism law changes under urgency, the Green Party said today. On Sunday, John Key stated that it is not illegal for someone to fight overseas for a terrorist group, such as...
    Greens | 12-10
  • Law changes shaping up to be worse than first thought
    The Prime Minister needs to be up front about exactly what changes he is planning to make to the Employment Relations  Amendment Bill, Labour's spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.Interviewed on Q&A yesterday John Key said he did not...
    Labour | 12-10
  • Rapists, not Tinder, the threat to women
    Blame for rape and sexual assault should only ever be laid at the door of the perpetrator, not dating services or the actions of women themselves, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “Tinder is not the problem and women...
    Labour | 09-10
  • Safer Journeys For People Who Cycle
    You have a rare opportunity to tell the people who are making the decisions on cycling how to make it better. The Cycling Safety Panel is seeking feedback on their draft recommendations for improving the safety of cycling in New...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Subsidising more pollution will undermine water clean-up plan at Te Waihora...
    In 2010, NIWA found Canterbury’s Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere had the worst nutrient status of 140 lakes around New Zealand that it measured. In 2011, the National Government committed to spending $15 million across the country through the Fresh Start for...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Adding value not herbicides
    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA to fight mass privatisation of state housing
    Announcements over the past 12 hours from the Minister responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English, and Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, make clear the government’s intention for the mass privatisation of state housing. This comes during the middle...
    Mana | 07-10
  • Journalists have right to protect sources
    Legal authorities must respect the right of journalist Nicky Hager to protect the source of his material for his Dirty Politics book under Section 68 of the Evidence Act, Acting Labour Leader David Parker says. “It is crucial in an...
    Labour | 06-10
  • It shouldn’t take the Army to house the homeless
    National’s move to speed up its state house sell-off shows it is bankrupt of new ideas, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “National has been in office for six years, yet the housing crisis has got worse every month and...
    Labour | 06-10
  • Government must lift social housing supply, not shuffle the deck chairs
    National's decision to shift the state provision of housing to third parties is a smokescreen for the Government decreasing the provision of affordable housing, the Green Party said today."What National should be doing is increasing the supply of both social...
    Greens | 06-10
  • Election 2014 – the final count
    While we have to wait for the final booth level counts we can now see how well we did in the specials and look at electorate level data. First off special votes (and disallowed/recounted votes etc). There was a change...
    Greens | 06-10
  • We need more houses, not Ministers
    The Government’s decision to have three housing Ministers will create a dog’s breakfast of the portfolio and doesn’t bode well for fixing the country’s housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “New Zealanders need more houses, not more Ministers....
    Labour | 05-10
  • MANA’S CHALLENGE TO THE 51st PARLIAMENT
    Ten years ago I led 50,000 Maori on the historic FORESHORE AND SEABED MARCH from Te Rerenga Wairua to the very steps of this parliament, in a march against the greatest land grab in the history of this country –...
    Mana | 03-10
  • Is this really necessary?
    No one denies chief executives should be well paid for their skills and experience, but it is the efforts of all employees which contribute to company profits, Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker says. “Salaries paid to chief executives come at...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Lyttelton Port workers also deserve pay rises
    Hard slog by Lyttelton Port workers contributed to strong financial growth for the company and they deserve to be rewarded for their work as much as its chief executive, says Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker. “Lyttelton Port chief executive Peter...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Māori Party must seek guarantees on Māori seats
    Labour is calling on the Māori Party to ensure protection of the Māori seats is part of its coalition deal with National which is being considering this weekend, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “For the third consecutive term,...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Donaghys job losses another blow to Dunedin
    The loss of 30 jobs from Donaghys rope and twine factory is yet another blow to the people and economy of Dunedin, says Dunedin South Labour MP Clare Curran. “Donaghys was founded in 1876; the company has survived two world...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Dairy price fall shows urgent need to diversify
    The overnight drop in milk prices shows New Zealand’s overreliance on the dairy industry puts our economy in a vulnerable position, says Acting Labour Leader David Parker. “Dairy prices fell 7.3 per cent overnight and have almost halved since February....
    Labour | 02-10
  • Tasks aplenty for new Health Minister
    One of the first jobs for the new Minister of Health must be to provide an honest and transparent report into surgery waiting times and exactly how many Kiwis are not having their health needs met, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette...
    Labour | 02-10
  • About Curwen Ares Rolinson
    Curwen Ares Rolinson – Curwen Ares Rolinson is a firebrand young nationalist presently engaged in acts of political resistance deep behind enemy lines amidst the leafy boughs of Epsom. He is affiliated with the New Zealand First Party; although his...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kelly Ellis
    Kelly Ellis.Kelly Ellis – As a child, Kelly Ellis didn’t so much fall into the cracks, but willfully wriggled her way into them. Ejected from Onslow College – a big job in the 70s – Kelly worked in car factories,...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kate Davis
    Kate Davis.Kate Davis – Having completed her BA in English and Politics, Kate is now starting her MA. Kate works as a volunteer advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty and previously worked for the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Kate writes...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Parker does a Shearer – oh for a Labour Leader who can challenge msm fals...
    Sigh. It seems David Parker has done a Shearer… Like a cult and too red – Parker on LabourLabour leadership contender David Parker says Labour borders on feeling like “a cult” and must look at its branding – including its...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • A brief word on the hundreds of millions NZ is spending on the secret intel...
    The enormity of the mass surveillance state NZ Government’s have built carries a huge price tag… Kiwis pay $103m ‘membership fee’ for spyingThe $103 million taxpayer funding of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies is effectively a membership fee for joining the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Where. Is. Jason. Ede?
    Where. Is. Jason. Ede?...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Labour’s Din of Inequity
    Watching Labour’s leadership candidates on Q+A on Sunday, I noticed the ongoing use of terms like “opportunity” and “aspiration”, and “party of the workers”. What do these mean? We glean much from Labour, and from the media about Labour, but not...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • “Blue-Greenwash” fails the test when it comes to endangered dolphins
    National’s pre-election promises saw some wins for the environment – perhaps as the party sought to appease its “Blue-Green” voters and broaden its popular appeal. Some of the ecological gains were a long time in the making, overdue even– such...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Reasons not to be cheerful, Part #272b
    Why don’t you get back into bed? The next few years — the rest of this century — are not going to be pretty. There is an obvious disconnect between any remaining political ambition to fix climate change and the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Labour and ‘special interests’
    The media narrative of Labour is that it is unpopular because it’s controlled by ‘special interests’. This ‘special interests’ garbage is code for gays, Maoris, wimin and unionists. We should show that argument the contempt it deserves. The next Labour...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Ru...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Tahi) . National’s housing development project: ‘Gateway’ to confusion . Perhaps nothing better illustrates National’s lack of a coherent housing programme than the ‘circus’ that is...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Here’s what WINZ are patronisingly saying to people on welfare when they ...
    Yesterday, a case manager from WINZ called to tell me that I needed to “imagine what I would do if I did not have welfare”. I replied “Well, I guess if I couldn’t live at home, I would be homeless.”...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • David Shearer’s ‘no feminist chicks’ mentality highlights all that is...
    Mr Nasty pays a visit Shearer’s extraordinary outburst last night on NZs favourite redneck TV, The Paul Henry Show, is a reminder of all that is wrong within the Labour Caucus right now… He said the current calls for a female or...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0
    Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – A Tale Of Two Cities
    Sunday was surreal. I went for a drive and ended up in a different country. It wasn’t intentional but those days of too many literally intertextual references seldom are. There is no doubt that the Sunday drive this week had...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Key raises terror threat level to justify war in Iraq and now the SIS need ...
    Have we learned nothing from rushing into war? It’s embarrassing Key has raised our terror threat from ‘very low’ to ‘low’ so he can justify military action in Iraq. Watching him pimp for an American war is as sick as...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Socialism? in France; Austerity in Europe
    On Sunday I stumbled upon this recent New York Times column The Fall of France by Paul Krugman. Then I caught BBC’s Newsnight interview with France’s ‘Socialist’ Prime Minister Manuel Valls. Krugman notes that the Socialists came to power on an anti-austerity mandate, but completely squandered their opportunity...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • So Snowden and Greenwald were right – again – NZ Embassies spying for A...
    Well, well, well. What do we have here… NZ embassies involved in covert intelligence work for US – reportsNew Zealand’s embassies have been involved in covert intelligence gathering work on behalf of the United States, a fresh batch of classified...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Why David Parker *isn’t* a credible choic...
    The one electoral contest this year that a Labour leader is sure to win heated up over the weekend with the late entry of Finance Spokesman (and interim caretaker leader) David Parker into Labour’s leadership race. I’d blogged late last...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • DIA undercover investigation leads to jailing
    An undercover Internal Affairs investigation has led to a Hastings man being jailed for three and half years....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of Balibo Five
    Media Information: Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of journalist Gary Cunningham and the Balibo Five...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Australia and NZ actions on press freedoms alarming
    Global support for investigative journalism in Australia and New Zealand is a welcome response to law changes and a police raid, says the Pacific Freedom Forum...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call for release of French journalists in West Papua
    West Papua Action Auckland, the EPMU Print and Media Council and the NZ Media Freedom Network call on the Minister of Foreign Affairs to speak out in support of the two French TV journalists whose trial has just begun in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Court of Appeal: Dotcom v 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
    A The appeal is dismissed. B The 20 August 2014 order of the High Court dealing with confidentiality and the 29 August 2014 order of this Court dealing with confidentiality are set aside. C The confidentiality orders set out in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Glassons Blasted For Glamourising Animal Cruelty
    Clothing brand Glassons have found themselves embroiled in another controversy after launching a new advert featuring a girl riding a bull. Animal advocacy organisation SAFE have asked them to remove the ad immediately as it glamourises animal cruelty....
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet
    Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet Federated Farmers Bee Industry Group applauds the tough line taken by Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) Border Staff at Auckland Airport. In deporting the couple found trying to smuggle bee products...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Taxpayers’ Union Responds to Joyce on Corporate Welfare
    Responding to Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce’s defence of corporate welfare , Jim Rose, the author of Monopoly Money , a Taxpayers Union report on corporate welfare since 2008, says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
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