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Exam question 65
If you were a highly-paid media interviewer and John Key said to you that he was absolutely certain that Helen Clark knew of Owen Glenn’s claims, would you:
a) accept it without any challenge or questioning?
b) ask for proof, some sort of proof, some remote shred of evidence, even the slightest skerrick of evidence outside fevered suppositions?
Answer: a) of course.
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I would just leave it for matheww hooton to bloather on and on about it on the radio..he is getting ready to pop his foo foo valve on rnz right at this moment
Exam question 66
If you were the Prime Minister and Winston Peters said to you that he was absolutely certain that there was no substance to any of the allegations against him
a) accept it without any challenge or questioning?
b) ask for proof, some sort of proof, some remote shred of evidence, even the slightest skerrick of evidence outside fevered suppositions?
Everyone knows Winny is guilty, you are defending the in defensible here. Also, everyone knows that H1 needs Winny to govern so that is why she did not cut him loose as Labour ministers would have been.
Winny has been questioned before and provided no answers, just ramblings about the media etc come frothing from his mouth.
Some things you just have to accept, just like lying about Karaka in 2006 as well.
[lprent: There is this interesting process called due process. Did I ever mention how much I detest lynch mobs. But I can see that you are from the Wishart school of thinking. ]
Is that it? Is that it!!??
Whooooora lightweight!
Those Southlanders tsk tsk
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southlandtimes/727649a16341.html
John Steven. He’s not defending Winston. Read the post.
Lynn
Don’t you remember Winston’s No No No placards ?
These have proven to be blatant lies to the media and NZ public – if he hadn’t behaved in such a fashion and had simply stated that he had no idea where his funds come from he wouldn’t be in this position.
[lprent: Vaguely. But wasn’t that about the Bob Jones donation. Part of due process is to separate charges. To do otherwise is to act like a lynch mob. ]
Exam question 67
If you were a blogger and you had heard a rumour that a prominent politician had bought his seat, would you:
a) print it unquestioningly and without verification
b) Is there any other option?
Exam question 68
If you were PM and faced the dilemma of passing your most cherished bill but needing to compromise all your self professed commitments to the highest standards of probity in office becuase you needed the vote of a disreputable minister would you
a) maintain your standards and sack the minister concerned knowing principle is important
b) Suck the saveloy and stick with him till the vote is in
This is fun
Q70. If, even without hard evidence to their crime, you could see that a minister in your cabinet was causing extreme harm to the publics perception of honesty and integrity in the office government would you?
a) Stand him down as you had with previous ministers before enquiries had reached their conclusion.
or
b) Not notice what was going on because you had your snout so far in the trough.
Those Southlanders tsk tsk
Yes, aren’t they naughty!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southlandtimes/722093a16341.html
Ahh the lynch mobs are out in force today I see.
Hold your horses guys, the Privileges Committee will report back, and my guess is that Winnie will not survive the outcome.
Remember the PC is only covering whether donations should have been declared, none of the other stuff. I reckon the PC will come back and say – concerned about behaviours but ‘the rules were unclear’ and so no clear breach could be established.
I can’t see the Labour members voting to convict him and this will be a compromise.
If and this is ‘if’ ony there is a link between Owen Glenn, Mike Williams and Winston Peters – then you can bet your boots that the single thread that ties Winston and Helen together is the threat of exposure about this, from Winston, should he be sacked.
MAjor OOPs guys.
Helen Clark has just admitted she knew about the donation in January.
So if you were a blogger and you had accused a senior journalist of not doing his job and then soon found you were completely wrong, would you:
a) apologise and see the error of your ways
b) ignore and divert
I do feel sorry for Owen Glenn. He’s a successful and generous man dragged in to all this controversy because he was open about his donations.
National’s donors remain secret, hidden behind fronts like the Waitemata trust. They must be laughing (secretly) all the way to the bank.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/politics/2008/02/22/time-to-tell-us-about-your-donors-national/
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0609/S00262.htm
insider, answer is obviously ‘b’ if you are a blogger that writes in harmony with the present government.
Don’t expect a response, just pile on a few posts about tasers so that this topic falls off the radar.
Is Helen Clark confirming it proof enough ?
No Bryan. She has confirmed that she heard something about a donation, asked Winston about it in Feb, and received a no answer. Just like the rest of NZ.
No difference. Just like us asking Key about some of his statements and receiving.. Yes well.
Ummm but she did:
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/4970775/clark-says-glenn-told-donation-february
oh dear……. leader looks b?t shakey now …. excellent stuff w?nston….guess there w?ll b few dr?nks at the green parrot ton?ght …. to departed friends
Helen confirmed it. You look incredibly naive right now. Poor retarded pinkos.
Billy: Good link. That gives the major part of Helens statement.
To all my friends on the left, I offer this little bit of succour from my colleague Chris Trotter:
“And to all of you out there who have broken open the champagne to celebrate your party’s success, I have only this warning, born of long experience, to offer.
What’s going ’round today, will be coming ’round tomorrow.”
Now I don’t agree with everything that Chris has to say on our newly minted blog but I definitely agree with this. We are looking at a rapidly changing political landscape in the two month run up to the election. I personally won’t be celebrating until the polls are in and John Key is safely seated in the 9th floor. As the polls are saying, none of the mud is sticking to Labour yet and National have their own challenges.