Nats all at sea on whaling

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1. Bored 1

   19 March 2010 at 7:59 am

   We get the point that the NACTS are a confused disjointed rabble, they do seem however to be dreadfully focused and dangerous rabble when it comes to the environment. It just isnt safe being an endangered species or tract of preserved environment with these criminal reprobates having power.

   So if you right wing apologists wonder why any reasonable person who respects the rights of other life forms would declare an open season of Jonkeys donkeys…..look no further
2. mickysavage 2

   19 March 2010 at 9:15 am

   This issue had a good thrash previously. I and many others thought that in January Key had a possible solution. He said that he had a plan which if accepted would solve the issue and hinted that there was Japanese buy in.

   It turns out that he was full of s*&t. The “stunning plan” was nothing more than the reintroduction of commercial whaling and the hope that it would eventually be curtailed, presumably before the various species of whales were made extinct. There is one thing that he said that I agree with:

   “Either the diplomatic solution is going to be a stunning success in the next few months or it’s going to be a stunning failure”.

   Guess which one it is going to be …
3. Neil 3

   19 March 2010 at 9:26 am

   McCully –

   “The Government of New Zealand has not given Sir Geoffrey any mandate to accept anything other than the previous policies adopted by the Government of which that member was a Minister.”

   what ever you think of Palmer’s proposal these negotiations with Japan started under Carter. so it’s a little odd that Carter is now taking such a different line.
   • Marty G 3.1

     19 March 2010 at 9:38 am

     Negotiations, yes. Agreeing to commercial whaling, no.

     understand?
     • Neil 3.1.1

       19 March 2010 at 10:19 am

       these are still negotiations, nothing has been agreed and under Carter the option of some sort of compromise on commercial whaling was on the table. so it’s odd he’s taken such a different line now.

       It’s probably worth not falling for the Japanese line that there is no commercial whaling going on right now and even if one is to believe that their whaling is scientific, ha, Iceland and Norway do commercial whaling quite openly under a different loop-hole.

       If you listen to Palmer he’s never ruled out legal options if negotiations fail. Which is not that far away from the Australian position – and they are not out for end to all whaling, just in the southern oceans. So that would be a compromise as well.
       • mickysavage 3.1.1.1

         19 March 2010 at 10:32 am

         “under Carter the option of some sort of compromise on commercial whaling was on the table …

         That is a hell of a long bow to draw. Do you have any proof?
         • Neil 3.1.1.1.1

           19 March 2010 at 10:42 am

           I’ll dig up the link again. This all dates back to mid-2007. But just think, if there is a deal and less whales get killed then you can take comfort that it wasn’t Key’s idea.
           • mickysavage 3.1.1.1.1.1

             19 March 2010 at 10:50 am

             So Key’s cunning plan was a recycled Labour proposal. How unusual!
           • Neil 3.1.1.1.1.2

             19 March 2010 at 10:57 am

             haven’t found the one I linked to in previous threads which dates this to mid-2007 but this one has this going back to Sept 2008, prior to the Nats getting in and still with Labour’s appointment to the IWC – Palmer:

             http://www.cdnn.info/news/eco/e090126.html

             We are part of the small working group that is mentioned. Palmer actually chairs it.

             So what ever you think of the deal, Carter knew about and presumably agreed to these negotiations.

             And although one could right this off as just coming from the Bush admin the Obama admin is also in favour of some such deal.
             
             [lprent: If it was in these pages, use the search. Set advanced to comments only, order to freshness and a phrase. Something like ‘@author Neil whaling’ (without the quotes) would probably find it. ]
             • Bright Red …

               19 March 2010 at 11:16 am

               At no point did Labour ever consider a return to commercial whaling. Simple.

               The best you can come up with is that a diplomatic process for a solution that started when Labour was in power has now come up with a proposal for commercial whaling, that’s not the same thing as Labour proposing commercial whaling.

               John Key, on the other hand, think commercial whaling is ok.

               Since you seem so willing to smear Labour by claiming that they supported commercial whaling, I assume you are damning of key actually doing it.
4. tc 4

   19 March 2010 at 9:32 am

   More of the same and it’s an issue we can actually do jack all about as those mammal lovin jap’s will slaughter at will anyway (wales/dolphins/stockpiling blue fin tuna)…….what else are they sneaking around getting up to ?

   Nice to see Carter doing something but again no killer question as the post states…..nat’s will brush this off and for all his experience and high ranking that’s a poor performance from carter whom I believe has had his day in the sun and needs shuffling to the rear of the pack.
5. toad 5

   19 March 2010 at 9:42 am

   Gold in them thar hills, and meat in them thar seas.
6. john 6

   19 March 2010 at 10:34 am

   The endless Yack Yack about terminating commercial whaling in the Southern Ocean goes on. The Japanese treat all of it, including empty threats from Australia to take them to an International Court, as the impotent BS it certainly is. They see We are not willing to stand up and really be counted, but just sit on our Butts yacking on about it.”Most regrettable”(with a bow)!

   Australia leading the way a small Naval Task force must intervene to stop Japanese Whaling using the non-violent tactics pioneered by the brave Captain Paul Watson, giving the Whalers no peace to pursue their cruel slaughter. This involves harassment, if inadvertantly a ship is damaged Our Navy is available to render all humanitarian assistance.Further Australasia should declare the Southern Ocean a no-go area for all Whalers to be enforced by the Australian and New Zealand Navy.
   Let’s stop the bureaucratic BS and stand up as men, not pinstriped pimps!

   if we don’t do this the Japanese will still be giving us the finger 25 years from now down there. Meaning we’re all mouth and no do!
7. Bill 7

   23 March 2010 at 9:51 pm

   Finally a coherent explanation for all this pro-whaling shit. Nothing to do with conservation after all. Surprised?
   From todays Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/whaling-the-great-betrayal-1925387.html

   “The proposal has some powerful backers, even among countries which were formerly solidly opposed to commercial whaling’s return a fact which substantially increases its chances of adoption at Agadir. Principal among them is the US, whose officials in the negotiations have been strongly backing the proposal. This is thought to be in part because of a specific problem the subsistence whaling quotas for indigenous Inuit peoples in Alaska, which the US is obliged to seek from the IWC every few years.

   In 2002, in return for American hostility to its “scientific” whaling, Japan blocked the quota, causing the US considerable embarrassment before the Japanese backed down. The next quota request is due in 2012 and some observers think the US wants to make sure it is on terms with Japan so the quota will not be blocked again.

   Another surprise supporter of the proposal is New Zealand, although Australia is strongly opposed to the plan.

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