But you didn't choose to comment on Grant's appearance. You commented on Jacinda's. Which I think risks being just a bit sexist. I really doubt anyone would have accused you of being four eyeist or tubby basher if you'd said that. And this discussion will ...
But you didn't choose to comment on Grant's appearance. You commented on Jacinda's. Which I think risks being just a bit sexist. I really doubt anyone would have accused you of being four eyeist or tubby basher if you'd said that. And this discussion will ...
Ha. Yeah, "DC crowd" was fairly weak. Will try harder. But then again, I am not trying to concoct a vast sinister conspiracy like some of those that use the "ABC" term.
That's why we need to vote for Grant. He can bring unity.
I don't think the "DC crowd" are all sexist, so apologies for that coming across. I do think the comment on Jacinda's appearance is borderline sexist though. It's something women MPs get much much than male MPs. The implication (at least the one I took) is...
I'm fairly sure I live in the *real world*. If you perceive charisma as being good at "vainglorious theatrics" then you will think David is more charismatic for sure. However, Grant is actually more charismatic, in the sense of being compelling and likable...
It is time for Cosgrove to go. Regardless of who wins the leadership, Grant or David, they should make it clear to him: we want Maryan Street not you, please resign. I think he's more likely to listen to Grant than David though.
That's a good point. I'm fairly sure he said he had lost confidence in Cunliffe, although I can't find a direct quote. He certainly implied it was the case when it was put to him directly.
The swing in the PV in Wellington Central was smaller than the nationwide -2.7% swing in Labour's PV. With so many special votes to count, it's probably worth waiting to see though. If the "numbers speak for themself" then they also speak for David ...
Kind of sexist comment Al1en. Typical smear from the DC crowd.
That's a popular story in the David Cunliffe fan fiction universe. But it's not true.
All those candidates hold electorates and the local party will decide whether to re-select them (if they stand again) - not the West Auckland faction of the Labour Party. Mallard wasn't even on the list. However, I do agree that we need some rejuvenation ...
I agree with some of the suggestions Certainly we need to move past character assassination. We need a leader that people can work with. DC is reviled by some members of caucus because they think he undermined and showed disloyalty to Goff/Shearer. But ...
Then we have a difference of opinion. I think Grant has proven himself to be extremely competent and effective. Everyone I know that meets him thinks he is genuine and likeable. The same cannot be said about the other candidate, unfortunately.
That is a *fictional* smear Paddy. Grant campaigned hard for the party vote. As did electorate candidates around the country, but a candidate can do very little to hold up the party vote against a swing like this. That swing wasn't about candidates, it was...
See also: our current Prime Minister. The public have had a chance to vote for Cunliffe, who had that same CV about a week and a bit ago. And they have rejected him. The CV isn't hugely important. Authenticity, along with sustained competence and unity are...
I don't think that is too far off. There could be a third candidate or the centrists could decide to hold their breath and vote for Grant anyway. They seem pretty keen to ensure DC isn't the leader - they blame him for undermining both Goff and Shearer (...
I think the membership will give a mandate to Robertson. Because the membership want to win the bloody Election. And they want to do it with a left-wing leader like Grant. Robertson wouldn't clean out the "left" faction because he is part of the left ...
Vote Grant! Personally I hope he picks Jacinda to recommend as his deputy. Fresh faces, good political instincts. Brilliant team.
According to the 2005 NZ Values Survey, about 50% of NZers consider themselves to be "centre". About 17% each for "centre-left" and "centre-right", and about 5% for "left" and right". May have changed a bit since 2005 but probably holds broadly true. So ...
Parker is excellent. His speech to the Labour Party Conference was particularly great. His indication that he has lost confidence in Cunliffe as leader should give even the most die-hard DC supporters cause for some reflection. Who is going to be DC's ...
True. Although the moments where he decided not to be cautious were not exactly high points for the campaign either. In particular I am thinking about: 1) I'm sorry for being a man; and (2) attacking Key for living in an expensive house as opposed to his ...
Disagree. See: Helen Clark. Authenticity, competence and unity more important than a CV. Also - we are the Labour Party and we should be proud of those people who have worked in the public service! That's a a bloody honourable thing to do.
Clark came very close to winning the 1996 Election. Arguably more people voted to make her PM than they did to make Bolger PM. You can hardly say that about DC. Clark also won the confidence of her caucus. Yes, there were people out to get her, but she had...
Very happy that Robertson has put his name in! He's clever, likeable and authentic. I think he can turn things around for us with a strong team behind him. We need generational change in Labour and someone who can bring unity. I respect David for the work ...
Well that is a nasty and cynical way of looking at it. By running, Grant is giving members a chance to vote - we have the power. I don't think anyone should purport to speak for what "members" want. I think a lot of us have changed our minds and appreciate...
I think he will. But happy for the sentence to be read with "if". The point remains. There will be a leadership election. Whoever wins, the party needs to get behind them. And it might not be David. If it is, I will do the same thing I am asking David ...
As a Labour member, I got behind David when he was elected leader. And I worked very hard to try to get him elected. As did lots of the people that are slandered as being "ABC". All this nonsense about white-anting... well there are definitely a few people...
I'm a member. I voted for David Cunliffe last time. And I don't think I will be doing that again! So please not presume what we think. Some of us want a considered process, where we get to figure out the issues and get to think about who is the best leader...
"Labour started its life as a party of change - a voice for the working classes who believed that a fairer future was possible." Here is Labour’s message: http://www.labour.org.nz/about-us Everything is there, but it’s buried and not easily digestible. ...
They could, as long as Labour start promoting their message every chance they get instead of being content to allow the white/european middle-class media to set the 6-7 o'clock agenda each night and in every morning paper. Every media second wasted on the ...
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