Another housing policy screwup?

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1. dv 1

   22 January 2016 at 2:00 pm

   Waitaki, (Oamaru one target) has 29 jobs on Trademe, and most hi level.
   • r0b 1.1

     22 January 2016 at 2:02 pm

     How many state houses free, and how long is the existing waiting list?
2. Sabine 2

   22 January 2016 at 2:18 pm

   OH that one again, was that not last tried to get people move to Christchurch to participate in the rebuild? How did that go?

   http://www.claimsjournal.com/news/international/2014/05/09/248683.htm
   http://www.workandincome.govt.nz/individuals/a-z-benefits/3k-to-christchurch.html

   i can find one article relating to 50! that have taken up the offer to relocate to CHCH under the WINZ / Pulls’her Bennefitt scheme.

   How can re-locating people to a region where they have no family, friends, social networks and job prospects be helpful to them?

   And what will happen to these people if they can’t find work there, last I checked being on a State Housing list does not mean being unemployed, it means that one can’t find a house on the private market, or can’t afford a house on the private market.

   Would it not be better if the currently empty State Houses would be filled with people?

   Oh yeah, i forgot, this is not about giving people a decent place to live so that they may thrive, no this is to get pesky tenants out of state housing so it is easier to sell it of – cause Profit?
   A case of out of sight out of mind, and not expecting anything from this government, i fear for the people this current National led Government is gonna dump on regions that have their own issues and receive little to no help form the current National led Government.
   • Gangnam Style 2.1

     22 January 2016 at 5:22 pm

     She said something like ‘theres Tongans in Upper hutt, so the Tongans can go there’ or some such ignorance.
3. shorts 3

   22 January 2016 at 2:21 pm

   I wonder how successful the 3K to move to Christchurch scheme from a couple of years back went? Given this is very similar

   Probably badly as its not being used as the justification to this a slightly different version of the plan – or maybe brilliantly but no one bothered to take any measurements of the scheme cause gut instinct is usually enough

   its going to be a long year for those on the govt target list
   • NZJester 3.1

     22 January 2016 at 5:25 pm

     Comparing it to the 3K to Christchurch is like comparing apples to oranges.
     That 3K to Christchurch at least had a small amount of merit as Jobs available there had grown in the construction industry and people had been willing to take the offer.
     This current one is basically moving people to other areas with no increase in job opportunities and in some cases maybe less.
   • Sabine 3.2

     22 January 2016 at 5:51 pm

     i found only this article relating to a number that took up the offer.

     http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/10250802/Christchurch-3000-job-incentive-nets-50

     however i could find nothing about how these guys feared long term, and how many are still in CHCH or have relocated back to whanau and are back on the dole due to lack of job.
4. grumpystilskin 4

   22 January 2016 at 2:35 pm

   I only caught the tail end of this on the way to work:

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201786360/mayors-poke-holes-in-pay-to-move-proposal
5. Tc 5

   22 January 2016 at 2:37 pm

   Redneck radio rantland fodder. Natz dont give a F about the practical aspects just get some diversionary dog whisles going about state housing bludgers.

   This 3rd term is an open assault on the vulnerable.
   • cogito 5.1

     22 January 2016 at 5:31 pm

     “This 3rd term is an open assault on the vulnerable.”

     Forget about democracy, accountability etc… dissent vil not be tolerated, sieg heil.

     TPP: Police undertake riot training
     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11578174
     • tc 5.1.1

       23 January 2016 at 8:02 am

       Then shonky can imitate his idol Muldoon and release them on the citizens who dare stand in the hollowmens path.

       When this happens, and it will, we will have truly become a dictatorship with a thin democratic facade.
       • cogito 5.1.1.1

         23 January 2016 at 9:29 am

         We can still stop this from happening but sadly what come to mind are the words of Edmund Burke: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
       • BM 5.1.1.2

         23 January 2016 at 9:39 am

         Muldoon was a raving socialist.
6. Penny Bright 6

   22 January 2016 at 2:50 pm

   Seen this?

   Press Release: Sue Henry (Housing Lobby):

   “Is Government proposing to pay off State tenants to be ‘economically cleansed’ from their communities? ”
   ____________________________________________________________________________

   “In October 2011, State Housing tenants were told on nationwide television, by the Minister for Housing, that no decision had been made for existing State House tenants to be compulsorily forced out of their homes,” says Sue Henry, Spokesperson for The Housing Lobby.

   http://auckland.scoop.co.nz/2011/10/the-nation-phil-heatley/

   “..Current tenants who have been in state housing when we came into government, we’re not moving those on yet in any compulsory way; we may not, we haven’t made a decision. ..”

   “We’re now into the fifth year, where the most vulnerable State Housing tenants have been left in limbo, wondering when the axe is going to fall, causing immense pressure and stress.”

   “This economic cleansing program has absolutely nothing to do with the ‘racial profiling’ which is being currently used as a red herring, to describe why these tenants are being effectively forcibly evicted, despite the assurances from the Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, who states that this proposal will be voluntary. ”

   “The purpose of this new proposal is to shift Auckland State Housing tenants out of Auckland.”

   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11577072

   “The very first tenants targeted in the TAMAKI PILOT PROJECT (soon to be rolled out nation-wide) were, AND STILL ARE, the elderly, the sick, the disabled, terminally ill, widows and the poor.”

   “Many of those who have managed to survive (many haven’t – they are deceased), have become displaced or transient, effectively uprooted and estranged from their once closely net-worked communities.”

   “All the properties which once housed these people have been and still are being TRANSFERRED TO PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES FOR SPECULATIVE GAIN, AND PRIVATE PROFIT.”

   “What is also despicable is while the public are being told that there is an Auckland housing shortage, for a number of years a number of these State Housing properties have stood empty.”

   “These State Housing properties have and still are being land-banked, deliberately ratcheting up property values, generating lucrative
   tax-payer subsidised profits for property development companies and the real estate sector. ”

   “No responsible Government should ever subject its most vulnerable citizens to this type of abuse.”

   “We want the transfer of State Housing stock and land to cease forthwith.”

   “We want central government to retain the function of providing State Housing and for it not to be privatised by transferring this role to PRIVATE social housing providers.”

   Sue Henry
   Spokesperson for the Housing Lobby.

   ______________________________________________________________________________________

   Forwarded in the public interest by Penny Bright
   2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
   WHISTLE-BLOWER!

   Who supports directly-affected State tenants, particularly in Glenn Innes – who are
   fighting the transfer of 2,800 Housing NZ properties to the Tamaki Redevelopment Company.

   The transfer of 2,800 Housing NZ properties to the Tamaki Redevelopment Company is supported by Child Poverty Action Group Co-Convenor Alan Johnson, who works for the, in my view, multi-national corporate NGO – the Salvation Army.

   (How do I know? Alan Johnson told me to my face.)

   STATE housing is PUBLIC.
   SOCIAL housing is PRIVATE.

   Beware the privatisation of State Housing via its transfer to ‘social’ housing!
   Follow the dollar …. who benefit$?
7. Scott M 7

   22 January 2016 at 5:31 pm

   How can that bitch – who did so well from her state assistance – now foist this sort of policy on those behind her?
   • cogito 7.1

     22 January 2016 at 5:45 pm

     Because she can, and because no-one is stopping her.

     Remember the guy who stood in front of the tanks at Tien An Men square? Time for kiwis to start standing firm.
   • Sabine 7.2

     22 January 2016 at 5:53 pm

     Because she is still receiving a rather attractive state assistance from the taxpayer to do this. She is after all a National MP, and they do have no issues when state assistance goes to them, they only have an issue when state assistance goes to ‘others’.

     Did this women actually ever worked in the private world of the free market?
     • Scott M 7.2.1

       22 January 2016 at 6:32 pm

       LOL!
     • alwyn 7.2.2

       22 January 2016 at 8:24 pm

       Reading her Wiki biography
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Bennett
       she sounds as if she is in the wrong party. Her background sounds very like that of people like Grant Robertson and Chris Hipkins doesn’t it?
       • sabine 7.2.2.1

         22 January 2016 at 9:54 pm

         very similar back ground to the PM.

         Both would most likely not be where they are today, where it not for the taxpayer funded largess that kept them and their families in bread and butter.

         So actually i think they are in the right party. National, collecting Taxpayers funds to fund themselves since ages ago.
       • Descendant Of Sssmith 7.2.2.2

         23 January 2016 at 11:34 am

         Nah her father had the store at Kinloch where Holyoake did this. Well familiar with the personal opportunities the National Party provides.

         http://www.nzjh.auckland.ac.nz/docs/2010/NZJH_44_2_03.pdf
   • Wensleydale 7.3

     22 January 2016 at 9:34 pm

     Because she’s the female Iain Duncan Smith. Someone’s got to wield the bludgeon and the hatchet, and dear Paula’s ever so keen to impress her new friends in the blue corner with her boundless enthusiasm and devotion to the cause.
     • Scott M 7.3.1

       22 January 2016 at 10:10 pm

       She lacks gratitude and compassion would be my summation.
8. hoom 8

   22 January 2016 at 6:31 pm

   Didn’t they previously threaten to cut off benefits for people who failed to move out of rural areas where there were no jobs available?

   1: Coax beneficiaries to move to small towns
   2: Cut the benefit because of falure to get a job
   3: ???
   4: Profit!!!
9. millsy 9

   22 January 2016 at 7:00 pm

   In the late 1990’s and early 2000’s there was a rise in ‘gated communities’, where the rich would pretty much lock themselves away from everyone else.

   Now the elites are learning that house prices do the job just as well. Keep out the riff raff out without having to muck round with gates and fences.

   This is another step to Auckland becoming the world’s largest gated community.

   In saying that, if this leads to less homelessness and poverty, then its not really a bad idea. A lot of those on the list, if having to choose between living in a car in Henderson or a fresh start in Huntly with a house tomorrow, they would take the latter. Well most of them anyway.

   Devil is in the details, of course.
   • sabine 9.1

     22 January 2016 at 9:57 pm

     Its a long commute from Huntly to AKL or Hamilton for a job.

     Just because you ‘could’ rent an affordable house in Huntly, does not mean you ‘can’ afford the house in Huntly without a job. And how cheap is the House in Huntly once you factor in transport to go to a job.

     There are a few people that would leave Auckland in a heartbeat could they find another job elsewhere. And no not everyone can work IT or online, and not everyone knows how to milk a cow. So no, not everyone can move out of town, leave their families behind, drop the job – even at minimum wage – to go live in the Province on the dole.
     • Reddelusion 9.1.1

       23 January 2016 at 1:11 pm

       Nor does every one have to leave, it’s simply one tool in the tool box and thinking outside the circle As per the NZH editorial. Some times you need to just look at the policy on its merits, is it good or bad instead of going straight to default mechanism based on who put up the policy
       • sabine 9.1.1.1

         23 January 2016 at 1:24 pm

         Yes dear.

         And tomorrow pigs fly.
         • Reddelusion 9.1.1.1.1

           23 January 2016 at 1:59 pm

           Strange reply princess, 😀
   • Jones 9.2

     23 January 2016 at 9:01 am

     They’re going to build a wall around Auckland…
10. linda 10

    22 January 2016 at 9:52 pm

    its a dumping ground policy next they will propose special camps for those deemed surplus to requirement i honestly feel natz are covering up that the economy is in real trouble the books are a mess this is stuff of desperation ship the poor off to economic dead zones because they need sell assets to keep the ship afloat
    • cogito 10.1

      23 January 2016 at 9:54 am

      “special camps for those deemed surplus to requirement”

      Like the ones Key’s mother was lucky enough to escape from…. thanks to Britain and NZ.
11. maui 11

    22 January 2016 at 10:09 pm

    From another stuff article:

    She named Lower Hutt, Porirua, Wanganui, Gisborne and New Plymouth as potential relocation areas, after earlier singling out Oamaru and Ashburton in the South Island.

    I know of three state housing areas in the hutt valley that have been demolished since National have been in power. So much for Lower Hutt then.. Porirua probably not fairing much better.
    • Irascible 11.1

      24 January 2016 at 10:41 am

      She has put over 250 State Houses on the market in Wanganui at really knock down prices. The rationale was that there was an oversupply of State Houses in the city.
12. sabine 12

    22 January 2016 at 10:44 pm

    There are currently no state houses available to rent in Ashburton or Oamaru, Housing New Zealand says

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/294649/houses-out-of-action-for-pay-to-move-plans
13. Mosa 13

    23 January 2016 at 5:36 pm

    TRUTH ALERT. This policy is just another DonKey diversion to be seen doing something and doing nothing. As an ex Aucklander in Dunedin I can tell you that there are very few state houses even before the refugees arrive and very few jobs that pay a living wage in a recent survey Dunedin ranked ahead of the West coast as the most poorly paid region in the South Island . Its moving the problem where no one will notice or care .
14. Paul 14

    23 January 2016 at 5:50 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQNZc0OPG14
15. Craig H 15

    23 January 2016 at 6:19 pm

    Isn’t Marlborough the worst-paid region in NZ? (just to add a South Island location to the mix of poorly-paid areas)

    On topic, I’m in favour of the general concept of assisting with purely voluntary relocation for beneficiaries to help them into a job, especially for known labour shortages (like the shortage lists maintained by Immigration NZ). Likewise for the state houses if someone actually wants to move, but I don’t think it’s a policy that will do much because I don’t think there will be many who qualify for state housing who also want to move regions.

    I’m always concerned that the relocations will not be purely voluntary, however, as verbal pressure may be placed on the beneficiary or potential state house tenant by WINZ.

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