Daily review 03/04/2019

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1. Anne 1

   3 April 2019 at 5:40 pm

   This is a fascinating insight into how people become radicalised online and the fact the ‘powers that be’ had no idea what was happening. They do now but that is scant comfort to the victims:

   https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111743226/qa-troll-hunter-ginger-gorman-on-the-christchurch-mosque-shootings-and-cyberhate

   What an incredibly brave woman.
   • bwaghorn 1.1

     3 April 2019 at 5:54 pm

     I watched on TV last night . Like most things alot of it comes back to piss poor parenting .
     The toxic trolls are raised by the internet is what she found .
2. CHCoff 2

   3 April 2019 at 5:54 pm

   https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/what-chinese-president-xi-jinping-thinks-of-new-zealand.html

   I read not long back, that alot of Chinese like to come to New Zealand, and just basically chill out as semi-tourists, semi-locals, types of experiences.

   Partnering where the historical & cultural values along with heritages are the most mutual ( & China has a long holistic tradition of cultural outlook somewhat at odds with the trappings of neo-liberal expansionist state economic militarisation), updated agreements and the like, could do alot worse than to look at it in terms of establishing province to province relationships and mutual partnerships in ongoing connections and business relationships while keeping clear of choppy political waters as much as possible.

   The sort of clear cultural enrichments, we would like to always be associated, when with partnerships involving good NZ governments.

   Not being so keen on loopholes for bargain basement resource extractions, or loss of home housing for the NZ citizen culture issues etc, is no slight on Chinese people themselves for instance.
3. joe90 3

   3 April 2019 at 6:20 pm

   Cheap at twice the price.

   https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/posts/3175598609117762
   • The Al1en 3.1

     3 April 2019 at 6:24 pm

     What can you get for a tenner?
     • alwyn 3.1.1

       3 April 2019 at 7:21 pm

       Ask Bob Jones what the right approach is.
       Back in about 1985, when he was fishing near Turangi a TV crew chased him demanding to know why he was winding up the Party he had formed to run in the 1984 election.
       (The Party did pretty well actually. It got about the same percentage of the vote as New Zealand First and the Greens put together did last election if my memory is still working properly).

       However Bob told them to piss off but a reporter chased him along the river sticking a mike in his face and demanding answers. Bob hit him and the reporter was next seen with blood pouring out of his nose.
       Anyway Bob was taken to Court and fined a thousand dollars. He asked the Judge whether he could pay twice the amount and then hit the reporter again.
       Expensive, but he thought it was worth it and it obviously had a marked effect on a nosy reporter.

       Bob had a pretty good punch actually. I believe he had boxed at University.
       • joe90 3.1.1.1

         3 April 2019 at 7:23 pm

         Bob was rather steamed.
         • alwyn 3.1.1.1.1

           3 April 2019 at 11:38 pm

           My memory would seem to have been pretty good, considering I was trying to recollect something that happened about 35 years ago.
           Alas, neither Bob, nor I, am as young as we were then. Reporters are probably rather safer than they were in those days.
           Your link brings back happy memories of how wild some of our politicians were in those days.
           Thank you for the link. It makes me remember the days of my youth.
       • The Al1en 3.1.1.2

         3 April 2019 at 8:08 pm

         A thousand bucks, at a dollar a pop, that would probably give you rsi in your knuckles.
         At two grand, they’d probably let you use a club.
4. SPC 4

   3 April 2019 at 7:11 pm

   As to the government buying the Kiwibuild homes in Wanaka

   1. there is a shortage of rental accommodation for workers in this region – so maybe the government should lease these to employers.
   2. sell them to those who own homes in the region, if they accept an offer for their home so it can be leased that out to employers (to widen the area where these homes are for employees).
5. joe90 5

   3 April 2019 at 7:21 pm

   Come back Oliver!

   https://twitter.com/EnglishRadical/status/1111676517531222017
6. ScottGN 6

   3 April 2019 at 7:40 pm

   What’s the bet ScoMo would rather this wasn’t part of his budget storyline.
   SBS is reporting that, having reopened Christmas Island in a pique after his government lost the vote on Kerryn Phelp’s bill that would see refugees medivacced to Australia if they needed it and telling Australians that would come at a cost of a billion dollars a year, it seems he’s allocated $179 million to the island in the budget and the docs say that the Liberal government will close Christmas Island if they get re-elected. Cynical much?

   https://www.sbs.com.au/news/christmas-island-detention-centre-to-close-just-months-after-reopening
7. ScottGN 7

   3 April 2019 at 8:22 pm

   I quite like this exchange between the PM and Paula Bennett from Question Time today. Just the usual to-and-fro of parliament but also, perhaps, a little sign of how Christchurch has changed everything. Ardern has been tested as few PMs, anywhere, ever are and it’s going to show.

   https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/cabinet-write-cannabis-referendum-question-jacinda-ardern-tells-parliament
8. Muttonbird 8

   3 April 2019 at 8:42 pm

   This is the scumbag who happily sold the weapons to the Christchurch terrorist.

   This is the scumbag who has spent nearly two years in US jails and regularly drives at 170km/h.

   This is the scumbag who is now asking for tougher sentences for gun crime rather than removing the offending weapons outright.

   As if the Christchurch terrorist would have been deterred by tougher sentences!

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12219011
   • mauī 8.1

     3 April 2019 at 9:14 pm

     Indeed, what a scum. Incredibly out of touch too or just a plain asshole, blaming the attack on meth, electronic devices, suicides and video games! What is this guy on.. Obviously all he thinks and cares about is his precious business.
   • bwaghorn 8.2

     3 April 2019 at 9:24 pm

     Hes to thick to realise that no sentence could have been hard enough to stop the shooter from shooting .
   • satty 8.3

     3 April 2019 at 10:07 pm

     Anyone caught driving 170 km/h on NZ roads should loose the drivers license permanently!
     • alwyn 8.3.1

       3 April 2019 at 11:44 pm

       Come, come.
       Think of the poor cop who was ordered to go at that speed by Helen Clark so she could catch a flight to get to a Rugby Test on time.
       Then she threw the poor bugger under a bus by claiming she hadn’t told him to hurry and that she didn’t even realise he was speeding. Even John Campbell didn’t believe that crap story.
       • Stuart Munro. 8.3.1.1

         4 April 2019 at 12:08 am

         Pull the other one. Clark’d be relatively agnostic on footy – twas the cop that wanted to see it.
         • alwyn 8.3.1.1.1

           4 April 2019 at 9:45 am

           Oh dear.
           I fear you have been at the wacky baccy again Stuart.
           Now, now. I hope after you wrote that you toddled off to bed and stopped making a fool of yourself any longer.
           • Stuart Munro. 8.3.1.1.1.1

             4 April 2019 at 9:57 am

             Have you any grounds for this egregious piece of trolling Alwyn – can you for example point to instances of Clark attending footy matches in recent years?

             I haven’t smoked since the eighties as it happens, but by all means insert an ad hom to cover your lack of an argument – surely no-one will notice.
             • alwyn …

               4 April 2019 at 10:38 am

               I have no idea whether she has been to any other Rugby games lately. I doubt it for a couple of reasons.
               The first is that she spent most of her time since she was dumped as PM out of New Zealand. I doubt if there are that many games in New York.
               The second is that, given she no longer has any public role she won’t get free tickets. Helen was never known for spending her own money freely on such things.

               However there is very clear evidence that she did travel at very high speed to get to the airport to travel to a game.

               “In July 2004, the Prime Minister’s motorcade reached speeds up to 170km/h travelling between Waimate, in South Canterbury, and Christchurch airport so she could fly to an All Blacks test in Wellington.
               The driver and two police officers were charged with dangerous driving but had their convictions quashed on appeal.”
               http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/659903/More-Crown-limos-caught-speeding

               Now you propose that it was the driver of her Limo, or one of the Police involved, who was in a hurry to get to the game. You don’t seriously suggest that the driver was going to abandon a Limo at Christchurch Airport, or a Policeman to abandon his police car at the same place in order to jump on an aircraft to travel up to Wellington to attend the game?
               Come on Stuart. Please get real. You really can be more logical than that if you try.
               • Stuart Munro. …

                 4 April 2019 at 10:51 am

                 I really don’t understand why you’re wriggling so hard Alwyn.

                 Police commonly enjoy both rugby games and driving quickly. The driver was not a chauffeur, presumably, but part of Clark’s security detail, and hence would be traveling on with her.

                 Clark’s interest in the rugby would be PR, but she might well want to save time. The cops, having a pretty boring role, were probably looking forward to the rugby.
                 • alwyn …

                   4 April 2019 at 11:52 am

                   ” The driver was not a chauffeur, presumably, but part of Clark’s security detail”.
                   You obviously don’t have the slightest knowledge of what you are talking about. Give up Stuart.
                   When you are in a deep hole you really should stop digging.
                   • Stuart Munro. …

                     4 April 2019 at 12:13 pm

                     Evidence Alwyn, or are you merely resting on your notorious want of judgment?
                   • alwyn …

                     4 April 2019 at 12:48 pm

                     Evidence, Stuart?
                     Well here you are my little foolish foe. From the account of the trial.

                     “Four police officers, the Prime Minister’s driver and a diplomatic protection squad officer were charged with a range of driving offences.”
                     “Helen Clark’s driver, whose name was suppressed, was convicted of one charge of dangerous driving, and one of following too close. ”
                     “A diplomatic protection squad officer, whose name was suppressed, was acquitted of all six charges he faced, of being a party to or causing dangerous driving. ”
                     https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10341544

                     So the driver was NOT, as you seem to believe, a Diplomatic Protection Squad officer, was he(or she).

                     You are proving that you really as thick as two short planks aren’t you? Now if you really want to keep digging why don’t you do it somewhere useful. Go round and visit an elderly pensioner and dig their vegetable garden for them.
                     Stop digging your own grave here.
9. joe90 9

   3 April 2019 at 8:55 pm

   Pissing off your hosts isn’t a flash look when you’re on the lam.

   Ecuador’s president, Lenín Moreno, has said the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange had “repeatedly violated” the conditions of his asylum in the country’s London embassy, where he has lived for close to seven years.

   Speaking to the Ecuadorean radio broadcasters association on Tuesday, Moreno said under the terms of his asylum “Assange cannot lie or, much less, hack into private accounts or private phones” and he could not “intervene in the politics of countries, or worse friendly countries”.

   Moreno fulminated that “photos of my bedroom, what I eat and how my wife and daughters and friends dance” had been circulated on social media but stopped short of directly accusing WikiLeaks of circulating hacked photos of his family and wiretapping his phone calls and private conversations.

   The Ecuadorean government, however, has said it believes the whistleblowing organization shared the photos, which date back several years to when Moreno and his family lived in Geneva.

   Moreno’s outburst was yet another sign of the Ecuadorean president’s waning tolerance for Assange’s prolonged occupancy of the country’s London embassy since mid-2012.

   “We should ensure Mr Assange’s life is not at risk but he’s violated the agreement we have with him so many times,” Moreno said of the WiklLeaks founder.

   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/02/julian-assange-wikileaks-asylum-ecuador-violated
   • Drowsy M. Kram 9.1

     3 April 2019 at 9:41 pm

     “Pissing off your hosts isn’t a flash look when you’re on the lam.”

     Might that indicate a smidgeon of delight in Assange’s plight?

     His ‘end’ is in sight – Saint Chelsea just has to realise the error of her ways and stop protecting “the rapey one“.

     Whether or not Manning should even be in jail is the real question. Some form of house arrest would seem more appropriate for someone whose only “crime” is refusing to comply with a Grand Jury’s inquiries. Technically, she hasn’t been charged with a crime. So the absurdity of the situation is amplified by her celebrity status and the nature of her confinement. If jail officials believe that she is at risk within the general population, then she should be released, rather than held in administrative segregation, since she is not even technically charged with a crime.

     Manning will stay in jail until she complies with the request for testimony or the Grand Jury concludes its business. She is not eligible for bail because, again, she has not been charged with a crime.

     https://www.ccn.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-demands-justic-for-tortured-chelsea-manning

     Whistleblowers – worthless but for their entertainment value.
     • joe90 9.1.1

       3 April 2019 at 10:10 pm

       Manning is a hero who acted on conscience, took her lumps and rightly had her sentence commuted.

       Assange is a self promoting exhibitionist in hiding.
       • Drowsy M. Kram 9.1.1.1

         4 April 2019 at 12:21 am

         Yes, Saint Julian is just the worst – one wonders why hero Manning went to prison rather than testify to the Grand Jury investigating WikiLeaks and Saint Julian.

         “Former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning appeared in Alexandria federal court Tuesday to unsuccessfully fight a subpoena requiring her to testify in front of a grand jury investigating WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.”

         “Prosecutors inadvertently exposed Assange has been charged under seal late last year, but the nature of the charges against him remain unknown. U.S. officials speaking on the condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy say the case is based on his pre-2016 conduct, not the election hacks that drew the attention of special counsel Robert Mueller.

         Assange has been living in Ecuador’s London embassy for the past seven years to avoid prosecution in Britain for fleeing his bond on Swedish sexual assault charges. Those charges have been dropped, but Assange has resisted leaving the embassy for fear of being extradited to the United States.”

         https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-chelsea-manning-wikileaks-julian-assange-testimony-20190305-story.html
     • Gabby 9.1.2

       3 April 2019 at 11:45 pm

       Bloody whistleblowers eh krammy. How’s a bloke meant to keep his bisniss private and free of tax if bloody whistleblowers go blabbing.
       • Drowsy M. Kram 9.1.2.1

         4 April 2019 at 12:36 am

         Apologies Gabby, never ‘met’ a whistleblower I didn’t admire. Are you familiar with Sarcastaball?

         thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-23-12-2018/#comment-1565049
10. ScottGN 10

    3 April 2019 at 9:06 pm

    The ‘emotional junior staffer’ calling out Bridges’ bullshit. Priceless.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/111761312/emotional-junior-staffer-in-dispute-with-national-party-following-un-petition-deletion
    • Muttonbird 10.1

      3 April 2019 at 9:42 pm

      Interestinger and interestinger.

      I think we can safely say Simon Bridges and his office have learned absolutely nothing about managing politically volatile situations after multiple lapses in judgement.

      They’d struggle to manage any situation really, any situation at all. No matter what the crisis, they will find a way to fuck it up.

      And to think some people want this sorry crowd in charge of the country!
      • marty mars 10.1.1

        3 April 2019 at 10:46 pm

        + 1 yep reading that story about the gnats and how they acted made me feel sick. They are a rabble, a dangerous rabble even for their own, let alone the rest of us.
11. ankerawshark 11

    3 April 2019 at 10:46 pm

    muttonbird……..no not Simon, it was the office, i swear it was the office
12. Poission 12

    4 April 2019 at 1:42 am

    Come on Joe say its not so.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived
13. greywarshark 13

    4 April 2019 at 10:31 am

    Thanks joe90 at 3
    A great interleaved link. Going through to Slavoj Zizek he does his common thing of surprising,, but explaining his thinking process. I haven’t finished reading it all yet but I am caught by his words about society – something like society being guided and by thick unwritten rules. Definitely just following what is law isn’t enough to explain how we manage ourselves. Laws say, are the visible fencelines enclosing lines in the sand? Slavoj gets one thinking, maybe two…thousand…million? Perhaps we can think our way up from our deep troubles.

    Must get on – I want to go to lunchtime piano recital at Nelson Centre of Music by Aspergers guy here. He is playing Pictures of an art exhibition by Mussorgsky.

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