How Brexit Shanked Britain

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1. Stuart Munro 1

   17 October 2022 at 9:04 am

   I cannot help but feel that Arron Banks, the funder of Nigel Farage, and whoever was paying him, was much to blame.
2. mikesh 2

   17 October 2022 at 9:53 am

   Change is often painful. I would hope that in time the UK recovers.
3. RedLogix 3

   17 October 2022 at 10:08 am

   Excellent post Ad. Your articles remain one of the principle reasons to read this site.

   The EU was never perfect and the UK should have demanded it continue to evolve and adapt. Events have proven that spitting the dummy was deeply irresponsible.
   • Ad 3.1

     17 October 2022 at 10:32 am

     🙂
   • Craig H 3.2

     17 October 2022 at 2:44 pm

     Particularly since the UK officials were heavily involved in a lot of drafting and policy work, so were as influential as they were likely to be, certainly more influential than from outside.
4. Tiger Mountain 4

   17 October 2022 at 11:49 am

   Brexit was a disaster alright in so many ways.

   Jeremy Corbyn could have done much better and just have said “we will respect the peoples vote on Brexit–and–implement our re-nationalisation pro working class programme.

   Oh well, there’s always mushy peas, fry oops, jellied eels, and curry takeouts to cheer the poms up.
5. Andy 5

   17 October 2022 at 11:56 am

   The current energy crisis has got nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with Net Zero and dependence on wind and Russian gas
6. Maurice 6

   17 October 2022 at 2:22 pm

   The UK never fully integrated with the EU as it kept the Pound and a separate money system. If it had been dependent upon the Euro then Brexit would have been almost impossible. One begins to think that the UK had really never been serious about remaining part of the European Union and left at the first chance – how ever detrimental that may be.
7. mikesh 7

   17 October 2022 at 4:36 pm

   I'm told that Ted Heath was so desperate to get into the EEC in the early seventies that he agreed to what was essentially a very poor deal. I suspect that Britain wasn't doing particularly well before exiting.

   Was there a referendum held on entering?
   • Ad 7.1

     17 October 2022 at 5:17 pm

     5 June 1975
     • Andy 7.1.1

       18 October 2022 at 9:48 am

       Yes, correct there was a referendum on entering the EEC, which at the time was merely a trade bloc.

       Political integration was always the plan but this was hidden from the unsuspecting public, as detailed in the book The Great Deception by Booker and North
       • DS 7.1.1.1

         18 October 2022 at 4:20 pm

         It wasn't a referendum on entering. Ted Heath had already done that by Act of Parliament.

         It was a referendum on staying, because Harold Wilson's 1974 Government was divided between Leaving and Staying.
         • mikesh 7.1.1.1.1

           19 October 2022 at 5:24 pm

           I heard somewhere that even Margaret Thatcher, though she favoured membership initially, wanted to leave in the end, and that that was why she was dumped.
8. Jackel 8

   17 October 2022 at 8:44 pm

   Well, they could start by producing more things the world actually wants. I'm certainly no tory, but I know enough about conservative economics to know that what businesses need are opportunities and a government that helps create them not peripheral things like tax cuts.

   She's gone with half trickle down Hunt. There is still a lot of extra spending and tax cuts they haven't walked back yet. The markets seem OK with this so far. But there is still some repricing to go yet. A good time for John Key types to bet against the pound and make some good coin I'd say.

   Some pissed off UK voters too seeing their living standards fall because of some dumbarse neoliberal tories. Curious lot.
9. Obtrectator 9

   17 October 2022 at 10:36 pm

   This truly was a coup, one where the legal forms were (mostly) observed but their spirit was stretched right to the breaking point. An advisory-only referendum was immediately treated by the hard-right as a ringing endorsement that they were entitled to take irrevocable action on at once. A textbook example of how a small, tightly-knit group with an extremely narrow set of objectives – or even one single objective – who know exactly what they want and how to get it, is able to overcome a well-intentioned but unfocused opposition.

   I'm far from certain the perpetrators were even particularly wedded to Brexit as a philosophy, any more than the Russian Bolsheviks of 1917 truly gave a tuppenny damn about the workers. It was simply a convenient train to hitch their wagon to, that wagon being to bring about a state of affairs in which they and their cronies could prosper to the max, at the expense of the general population.

   Of course Banks, Cummings and co didn't use armed force to cement their position, although they and their allies in Parliament and among law enforcement are coming mighty bloody close to it, with recent legislation that makes almost any form of effective protest an illegal (and/or very expensive) act.

   Nor do I believe BoJo was among the primary villains, though he does seem to have been happy enough to go along with it all. He was simply the necessary distraction – much as Trump was in the USA – taking all the attention away from the real bastards skulking in the background and quietly getting on with their business. If he hadn't been quite so undisciplined the puppet-masters would have been well content to leave him in place entertaining the gullible public. As it is, they're suddenly left without a charismatic front-person, and their naked greed is plainly on show.
   • tc 9.1

     18 October 2022 at 8:32 am

     Blojo is a primary villain by being the front and actively peddling the BS with that bus tour of deception during the Brexit vote.

     Then he undermined may until he finally got the PM gig. Boris is as culpable as any of the dark lord's imo.
   • Andy 9.2

     18 October 2022 at 10:40 am

     I suppose the idea that the British public voted for sovereignty over their own country is an idea not even worth entertaining? The idea that the wealthy european countries of Norway and Switzerland can exist quite well outside the EU is not of consideration?
     • joe90 9.2.1

       18 October 2022 at 11:12 am

       The idea that the wealthy european countries of Norway and Switzerland can exist quite well outside the EU is not of consideration?

       Seem the wealthy European countries of Norway and Switzerland exist quite well outside the EU by agreeing to the Ts&Cs.

       Summary

       While the UK’s strategy toward access of the EU single market after Brexit is unclear, the experience of the four non-EU countries having access to it suggests that the conditions of access may involve:

       • Sizeable net financial contribution to the EU budget (Norway pays similar amounts to current UK payments in relative terms, though Switzerland and Liechtenstein pay surprisingly small amounts.);
       • Sizeable net inflow of EU workers and their families (relative to population, all four non-EU countries received about twice as many EU immigrants as the UK);
       • The adoption of a very large share of EU regulations – without a voice in influencing them.

       None of these elements may look attractive to those who campaigned for Brexit.

       https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/07/20/how-much-do-non-eu-countries-give-up-for-access-to-the-single-market-more-than-brexiteers-will-like/
       • Andy 9.2.1.1

         18 October 2022 at 11:48 am

         Thanks I am aware of the conditions that Norway and Switzerland operate under. Many of the leavers wanted an interim EEA type of arrangement but were disappointed in the deal that Boris ended up with.
10. Mike the Lefty 10

    18 October 2022 at 7:37 am

    Did anyone see the TV1 programme about Boris Johnson last Sunday evening?

    If so, what did you think?

    (I didn't see it all, couldn't stay awake – went to bed).
11. DS 11

    18 October 2022 at 4:16 pm

    Here's the funny thing: yes, Britain is in a mess. But it is in a mess because the Tories are incompetent. The public can vote them out at the next election.

    You can't vote out the European Commission. Indeed, the EU – so beloved of so many here – would have actually made renationalisation of rail impossible. Basically because the EU is at its heart, a neoliberal corporatist entity – which in turn is why traditionally Euroscepticism was the domain of Labour and not the Tories.

    The EU referendum franchise excluded sixteen-and seventeen year olds, expatriate British citizens living abroad for specific years, and EU citizens resident in the UK and paying taxes in the UK. All three of course had a major material interest in the outcome of the vote.

    And none of those can vote in normal British elections.

    The Scottish independence referendum of 2014 allowed sixteen-and seventeen year olds to vote, as well as EU citizens resident in Scotland.

    Yes, because the SNP was trying to help the Yes vote.

    The EU referendum had no threshold specified for the outcome. The 1979 Scottish devolution referendum required 40% of the entire electorate to be in favour.

    Yes, because the unionists in the 1978 Labour Government insisted on a threshold. The SNP still complains about it.

    Briefing Paper 0712 of 3 June 2015 for the EU referendum stated that the EU referendum was advisory only and not binding on Parliament. This was confirmed in person to Parliament by the Minister for Europe in the House of Commons later in June 2015.

    It was politically binding, not legally binding. If the public votes for something, that vote ought to be respected.

    37% of this restricted electorate voted to leave the EU. By any standard this is insufficient to justify such a significant constitutional change to the UK. To change to MMP in New Zealand, 55% of the entire electorate took part and 70% favoured MMP. No civilised state in the world would make a major constitutional change without 60% or 66% of the vote or of the entire electorate.

    The 2016 Brexit Referendum (72%) was Britain's highest turnout in any vote since 1992. Of those, Brexit got 52%. Is that 37% of the total electorate? Yes. But it is more of a democratic mandate as any British Government has had since the Second World War. UK Labour's 1945 landslide was built on getting 48% in a 72% turnout. Tony Blair in 1997 got 31% of the electorate.

    The MMP referendum in 1993 was actually 53% of 82%. So 44% of the New Zealand electorate voted for it.

    That's the funny thing. You literally can't have any constitutional change if you insist on having that sort of "civilised threshold."

    The Brexit ministry then sought to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty without a parliamentary debate. It had to be taken to court to oblige it to respect the constitutional sovereignty of Parliament.

    Yes, Parliament is sovereign. For the same reason the referendum was legally non-binding. But that is a reflection of Tory screw-ups, rather than any lack of legitimacy for Brexit.
    • mikesh 11.1

      19 October 2022 at 5:58 pm

      Yes, Parliament is sovereign.

      I don't that it was a question of parliament being "sovereign". I think it was the fact that there were a large number of laws, relating to EU regulations, which had to be repealed in order to effect an egress; and to repeal them would have required the consent of parliament.
12. mikesh 12

    19 October 2022 at 5:42 pm

    It was politically binding, not legally binding. If the public votes for something, that vote ought to be respected.

    It probably wouldn't have been binding because there would be an expectation that it would depend on what sort of of deal could be negotiated with the EU.

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