Written By: - Date published: 3:04 pm, November 21st, 2007 - 55 comments
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From Kiwiblog:
Okay just got back from the march. Didn’t quite go as I envisioned. You see while I have promoted the march here, I’m not one of the organisers and my involvement was purely to stroll along at the back, and see how it goes. Not a large turnout (but around what I expected for a weekday in Wellington) and got to Parliament fairly quickly.
I heard what march there was got there fairly quickly too. Mainly rolled along by the prevailing wind.
So maybe the sky’s not falling after all Chicken Licken?
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Don’t know about you folks but I figure that pro-free speech protesters outnumbered Labour Party lackeys by about 50 to 1.
Poor turnout by the left. What a pity. And after all those emails from LP HQ.
Since when does pro-free speech equate to ‘whoever has the most money get to shout the loudest’? rorue, you’re a dick.
Gruela
exact same photo not 20 seconds later.
That was also really funny
Have you noticed that people won’t listen to those who shout?
People aren’t stupid. They didn’t let large pro-National advertising (the EB stuff) sway them last time.
I say let the dicks spend their money. I choose not to listen and to vote for what I believe.
rogue
you may choose to vote for what u believe, but u can’t deny that your choice is influenced by what u see and hear. With unrestricted election advertising, this means that those with the most money have the biggest say on the outcome of the election. try and say it isn’t so.
Gruela you are quite right… And the next election will be won by the party spending the most money just like last time…. Ohh hang on a minute ACT have only two seats!
So because you saw something I didn’t, I have to “grow up”? You people seem damn keen to reveal someone’s true identity. We call everyone DPF because, frankly, it’s fucking funny. Given the same situation you jackoffs work to take choice out of everyone else’s hands. Your lot has worked impossibly hard to ensure someone doesn’t have a voice.
I still don’t see redbaiter getting banned for prompting anyone he thinks is ‘left’ to kill themselves. I don’t see you calling him to task. Worse, he’s only one dozens. Look to your own crowd before admonishing me and mine.
Yeah, me and mine. Because the more you assholes act like dipshits over your prized political views, the more I’m forced to rethink my view of national in general. Thank god none of you are polluting Act for me.
I’ve just gotten back from some years in Europe and can someone please tell me when Helen Clark was taken over by the Central Spirit? When I left I loved her cause she had balls bigger than the MacKenzie Country, but now she seems to be a shell, (occupied by the hermit crab of expediency.) Next thing I’ll be hearing that she’s been having late night whiskey’s with Winston, has moved to Te Kuiti and has 18 kids. Also, how can we make fun of the Americans for voting in GWB, when we’ve gone back to John Banks? WTF has happened to my country?!?
That’s a very funny picture. Who says the left have no humour!
Well done.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=UUudswrhDDE
Gruela
I think the satire from the McGillicuddy Serious Party with their GREAT LEAP BACKWARDS© was on the money in 1999.
40,000 people ran away last year. Thankyou for coming back, the recipients of middle class welfare need your tax dollars.
burt
I don’t see it as welfare. I see it as investing in my community, and I like living in a community where I can sit on my deck in the afternoon, sipping a G’n'T and hearing the laughs and screams from the playground at the local primary school. I don’t know any of those kids, I may never meet any of them, but I appreciate that some of my ‘middle class welfare’ went towards that sound of laughter and fun in the warm spring sunshine. I really don’t mind contributing towards the education of random Kiwi kids, or the hip operations for Kiwi oldies in Southland or the East Coast, or WINZ workers in South Auckland. I’m not starving, I have a roof over my head, and at the end of the day I want to live in a society where people look out for each other. That includes financially as well.
Gruela
Perhaps you have missed the detail while you were away that welfare extends to people earning up to $120K now and the rich bastard top tax threshold is still $60K as set in 1999.
If you are well aware of this and still have the same views as you express then that’s all good. You have chosen a good time to move back to NZ.
Obviously this is a good time to move back, so I can put up counter arguments to posts like yours, burt.
You make it sound like there’s people on $120k somehow getting housing subsidies or community service cards. As I understand it, to be getting welfare, (or state assistance, as it could equally be termed, or how about social security?), you’d have to have about 6 kids, and even then you’d still only be getting a fraction of the amount that the guy working at the local supermarket would be getting. Do his kids not count as much as the lawyer’s kids? I think they do.
“I’ve just gotten back from some years in Europe”
Hi Gruela. I left Muldoon’s NZ, did my time in Thatcher’s England, and returned home to Roger Douglas’ (and David Lange’s) NZ. What a long, strange trip that was!
“and can someone please tell me when Helen Clark was taken over by the Central Spirit? When I left I loved her cause she had balls bigger than the MacKenzie Country, but now she seems to be a shell”
Please don’t worry about HC and her government. Give it some time to settle back in here, and you’ll find that the Labour government has the same heart and soul as it always had. What has changed is the pragmatics of MMP in the current parliament, and the extraordinarily virulent nature of the attacks on Labour which have followed their third consecutive election victory.
But look past the politics to the achievements: unemployment is at record lows, the minimum wage has increased hugely, household incomes have increased, fewer are on benefits, crime rates are down, industrial action is down, the economy is strong and growing, the environment is taken seriously, there are many initiatives to support families, we are making provision for future retirements, the list goes on and on. Labour is still delivering to the people.
Sam Dixon:
milo- drafting errors like that are really the fault of Crown Law who do the drafting.. it’ll be fixed in the readings, that’s one of the reasons we have subsequent readings.
Your law credentials have been letting you down in recent times. You’ve never heard of the Parliamentary Counsel Office?
rob
I’ll agree with what you’re saying, but so many of positive trends have little to do with Labour, especially the economic aspects. (I think, anyway) And the environment? Bah ha ha! When you’ve been living in Europe, coming back here to the laissez-faire attitude Kiwis take to their natural surroundings is astounding. Friend, I hate to break it to you, but we are BIG polluters, and the only changes to this I see coming from Labour are cosmetic.
My intended point, however, was that the big HC seems to have lost her mojo. Her spark. Her passion. She doesn’t lead anymore. She seems scared to put her foot down on any position. Dare I say it, she’s become a bureaucrat. A civil servant. Grey.
“I’ll agree with what you’re saying, but so many of positive trends have little to do with Labour, especially the economic aspects.”
For some things we can’t know for sure how much of the benefits are specifically as a result of a Labour government. For other things we can be pretty sure – raising the minimum wage, the Cullen fund, KiwiSaver, working for families – those aren’t just good economic luck, they are Labour values in action.
“the environment? Bah ha ha! When you’ve been living in Europe, coming back here to the laissez-faire attitude Kiwis take to their natural surroundings is astounding. Friend, I hate to break it to you, but we are BIG polluters, and the only changes to this I see coming from Labour are cosmetic.”
I agree entirely about our poor environmental record. I don’t agree that Labour’s only changes are cosmetic – the new carbon trading system seems to be somewhat world-leading. However, yes, Labour could and should be doing more in this area I feel.
“My intended point, however, was that the big HC seems to have lost her mojo. Her spark. Her passion. She doesn’t lead anymore. She seems scared to put her foot down on any position. Dare I say it, she’s become a bureaucrat. A civil servant. Grey.”
Nobody who saw Helen’s speech to the Labour Party conference (or the one before that, or the one before that…) would have this sense of worry. Helen leads all right. I think (just guessing) that it’s a deliberate party policy to keep her lowish profile between election campaigns. My prediction – look out for Helen Clark in 2008.
Anyway Gruela, pleasure chatting to you, welcome to The Standard. Hope you’ll be sticking round a while. Goodnight…
captcha: social leadership – you can’t make this stuff up.
Nih: “Grow up” was a step too far. Sorry, I take it back.
Some Friday fun – a late report on the Auckland march (which now looks set to be fondly remembered as the high point of the Great Popular Uprising)
http://fundypost.blogspot.com/2007/11/sound-of-suburbs.html