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Lies and sanctions

Written By: - Date published: 8:58 am, February 27th, 2013 - 219 comments
Categories: accountability, john key, national, scoundrels - Tags: , , ,

What are we as citizens to do when a government deliberately and shamelessly lies to us? Because it’s now clear that that is what the Nats have done, as even The Herald reports:

The Hobbit documents released: Govt knew union ban lifted

The Government was aware that a union-imposed boycott on Sir Peter Jackson’s film The Hobbit had been lifted, but continued to insist that it was in place, official documents released yesterday showed.

They knew the ban was lifted. They continued to insist it was in place. Lying lying liars.

I’m angry.

As far as I am aware we citizens have no ability to sanction a government that lies to us, other than the three year electoral cycle (which politicians want to extend to four years). It doesn’t seem like enough. Apart from elections – what can we do now?

Looking to the future, what changes would you propose to our political system to allow the public to sanction a government? How can we stop this kind of barefaced lying from happening again?

219 comments on “Lies and sanctions”

  1. vto 1

    Good to see you’re angry r0b. I am angry too as I’m sure many have noticed from the tone of many of mine posts. Angry at the constant lies – Ecan, red zone policy, it just goes on and on.

    There are several steps available such as civil disobedience (ramping up in the Chch rebuild with many giving the middle finger to authority). But one that really would put the cat amongst the pigeons is some sort of High Court action.

    What they are doing amounts to fraud. The government (not Parliament) is surely accountable under its own laws.

    High Court action. Get it in there, and lots of it. Ramp it right up in their faces.

  2. Stand by as Gosman and a bunch of new posters appear and argue about everything except the fact that we have been lied to over the Hobbit.

    • Exactly Mickeysavage, the right wing ningcompoops will fly into to the honey pot and
      retreat with sticky faces,or fingers on the keyboards.
      Key’s corrupt govt is one law for him and his ilk and another for the rest of us.
      I have no interest in the films that jackson makes, the titles of sir etc, mean nothing,
      are nothing, but massaging over inflated ego’s.

      S = Sorry
      I = I lied
      R = Repent.

      But he won’t because of the the attitude of entitlement, (you give, i take)
      Helen Kelley deserves a public appology, at least.

      • Colonial Viper 2.1.1

        Steal $50 from WINZ you go to jail

        Steal $50M from the tax payer and NZ workers, get a knighthood.

  3. johnm 3

    Lying to the people who put them in power:
    An economy of well paid conceited and arrogant chiefs, but declining numbers of braves and the remaining braves getting shafted by the chiefs. Not a happy tribe with a good future. :-(
    The well orf sector of NZ society believes lying to be a market and business ploy, they won’t be losing any sleep over a minor thing like that. Rentiers and Landlords and Finance privateers Key reflects them.

  4. Blue 4

    Kiwis don’t actually mind being lied to. John Key has lied over and over and over again, and the high poll ratings still keep rolling in.

    New Zealanders have demonstrated that lying is not a deal-breaker, so have emboldened Key and National to keep doing it.

    • Dr Terry 4.1

      Anthony asks “Looking to the future, what changes would you propose to our political system to allow the public to sanction a government?”

      I think we have to go right back to square one. Weigh up and explore very carefully the skills and qualifications of a possible candidate for political leadership, not just taking his or her own word for it! Secondly, but no less important, very carefully look into the personal character and qualities of an applicant. For example, let it be made quite clear that lying is still considered unethical and unacceptable. Has the person “what it takes” to be honest with us? That would not cause him or her to lose face, more likely to gain respect from the public.

      Just a couple of quick thoughts!

      • Colonial Viper 4.1.1

        The current system of political parties is broken. Exacerbated by a broken MSM.

        And unfortunately, what the list system in mmp has done is made MPs increasingly unaccountable to their local communities: their loyalty and accountability sits mainly with a dozen or so party and caucus chiefs.

        • Arfamo 4.1.1.1

          Every other comparable democracy to NZ’s has a second house that provides at least some safeguard against the ramming through of bad, flawed or socially or economically corrosive legislation. We have a system that allows any majority party or coalition to ram through bad legislation pretty much at will.

          • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.1.1

            Second house is no answer

            How has a second house prevented theft from the people in the UK or in the USA?

            • Arfamo 4.1.1.1.1.1

              Fair point. It didn’t. And the likelihood is that any second house here would end up stacked with those of the 1%.

    • Remember polls are only done on land lines, Perhaps only National voters have land lines and that’s why JK is still high in the polls.

  5. higherstandard 5

    Good on Jackson and the government for ensuring these films went ahead and were made in NZ.

    It is a pity that a similar pragmatism wasn’t displayed with such things as the rail carriages which could and should have been made in Dunedin and the broad band cabling which instead of being given to the swedes by telecom could and should have gone to a NZ supplier.

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      The common denominator in all of the above are National lies which favoured foreign capital instead of NZ workers.

      • higherstandard 5.1.1

        Really, I thought the common denominator was various meddling, ineptness, sloth, ignorance.

        In the case of the Tolkien movies I applaud the government in ensuring they got made here, in the case of the other two examples I castigate them from not ensuring the same.

      • Epping Road 5.1.2

        Yeah those export dollars are a terrible thing. We should ban them. Works in North Korea doesn’t it.

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1

          Well, John Key is exporting tax payers dollars to Hollywood, if that’s what you mean.

          BTW after Fiji and North Korea examples you should also use:
          – Zimbabwe
          – Burma
          – Iran
          – Soviet Union
          – Communist China

          in your next few comments

          Let’s see if you can get the crony dictatorship trifecta

          • Epping Road 5.1.2.1.1

            How is JK exporting dollars to Hollywood? Gawd why am I even engaging with you, you’re a troll.

            • Draco T Bastard 5.1.2.1.1.1

              How is JK exporting dollars to Hollywood?

              That would be the extra subsidies that he gave to Warner Bros.

            • McFlock 5.1.2.1.1.2

              wow.

              Seriously? You turn up a couple of days ago full of vim and vigour, spouting old nact lies and generally bludgeoning the common usage of the English language simply to defend Key and Jackson, and accuse others of being trooolls?

              Just – wow.

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1.1.3

              ER just called ME a troll lol

          • joe90 5.1.2.1.2

            Gawd why am I even engaging with you, you’re a troll.

            Because you’re a paid toe sucker?.

    • Draco T Bastard 5.2

      What a surprise, lowerstandard finds lying by the government to be “ok”.

      • higherstandard 5.2.1

        What a surprise DTB adds nothing.

        • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1.1

          I pretty sure that pointing out that you’re supportive of a lying and corrupt government was adding enough.

          • higherstandard 5.2.1.1.1

            What a surprise DTB adds nothing.

            • McFlock 5.2.1.1.1.1

              keeping others to a higher standard that you have difficulty achieving yourself, eh?

              • higherstandard

                Another internet inaniloquent leaps to his defense.

                • McFlock

                  [hs thinks to self]:

                  oh noes, someone caught me. Better throw out a portmanteau so I look smart, and then pretend that I was making a palpable attack rather than merely indulging in narcissistic hypocrisy against someone who gave me some sort of perceived slight a while ago. I’m a smoooooooth motherfucker!

                  • higherstandard

                    ……and then leaps to his own defense

                  • Rogue Trooper

                    “let me recite the following phrases as if I were showing you the rungs of a ladder leading upwards towards increased ability to make human life negligible and cheap: inaniloquent gutter dwellers; the worst type of incontinent, pathetic lounge lizards I’ve ever seen; Youtube surrogates.”
                    -loquaciously yours, Bing.

            • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1.1.1.2

              I note that you haven’t denied being supportive of a lying and corrupt government.

  6. Tom Gould 6

    Say what you like about Shearer, but I can never image him selling out, cheating and lying like Key seems to be able to do so effortlessly. That’s your answer.

    • Dr Terry 6.1

      Well, Tom, I can assure you that he has lied to me personally, a member of his own electorate. He is at least as much an egotist and braggart as Key. What a choice we are faced with!

    • tc 6.2

      DS has already sold out and is owned by the mallarfia. Burying DC and others who threaten this group has already been shown as acceptable behaviour.

      • Tom Gould 6.2.1

        Keep it up, Key is relying on you, counting on you in fact. Might as well be Tories.

        • tc 6.2.1.1

          Hilarious TG, Key’s not relying onwhat gets blogged here, we all voted. Slippery needs to worry about the ones who didn’t.

          DS had his chance and blew it with a reshuffle as inspiring as a Bill Rowling speech. He didn’t have to sellout to the mallarfia and become leader, he didn’t even have to stand.

          Fact is he did and has to take what comes with the turf but hey it’s just a blog isn’t it….

  7. just saying 7

    Another essay question R0b?

    If Labour Party policy is indeed determined by members, the widespread outrage on the left including from party members, means that it would seemingly be pretty easy to draught some sort of toothed judicial or parliamentary consequence for this kind of behaviour, and have it confimed as policy. Labour has a fifty-fifty chance of leading the next government (imo) so it should be quite likely that legisation could be introduced in the next two or three years.

    Essay question for you R0b; Do you think that with the support of the membership, such a remedy would be likely to be enacted by a Labour-led Government if one is elected next time around? If not, why not?

    • r0b 7.1

      Another essay question R0b?

      Nature of the beast js. Besides, I don’t want to spend every post telling you what I think, sometimes I’d rather ask what you think.

      Essay question for you R0b; Do you think that with the support of the membership, such a remedy would be likely to be enacted by a Labour-led Government if one is elected next time around? If not, why not?

      I don’t think it’s likely, because in general politicians don’t act so as to constrain the power of politicians. But I don’t think that it’s impossible either.

  8. Tiger Mountain 8

    • Easy recall ballots for politicians that deviate hugely from policy or are proven to have lied, without waiting three years like in referenda. Remedies would probably be pay cuts and a quick trip to the back bench, even for PMs.

    • By some accounts Jackson’s greed in adapting one slim volume into three rear numbing length mega flicks my get him in the end. The Hobbit movies are gaining a rep as three huge ungainly steaming turds so poor box office over time may sting him in a way the truth never would.

  9. I just reread something Irish Bill wrote on October 2, 2011 and his predictions were astoundingly accurate. He said this:

    When I look at the way this is playing out I suspect that Jackson (or whoever is running the show from the producers’ side) has engaged some sharp operators to run this dispute.

    The playbook is an old one but one that is tried and true:

    1. Find a way to demonise the union as an interfering third party (in this case bullyboy Aussie outsiders)

    This is an essential story to set up from the start because it takes the public focus away from the the workers involved – a move that makes it hard to humanise the dispute and misdirects from the main point of the dispute (in this case the workers’ desire for minimum standards)

    2. Claim the union has no mandate (in this case claiming it has no legal right to bargain and low membership)

    This continues the outsider narrative and drives a wedge between union and non-union workers.

    3. Threaten capital flight.

    This pushes the wedge between union and non-union workers deeper and, in the case of a national industry, helps set the public against the union.

    4. Keep moving the goalposts.

    The news cycle is fast and shallow. If you can keep setting up new stories with different anti-union angles you force your opponents to be constantly reactive which drains their resources and keeps them on the back foot. It also works to keep the focus away from the the core dispute.

    5. Play to your strengths (in this case the saint-like reputation Peter Jackson has)

    I think it’s interesting to see Jackson has not appeared on radio or TV or, as far as I can tell, spoken directly to journalists at all. I suspect this is because his handlers have decided he would not be sympathetic talent in the flesh.

    6. Get it over and done with as quickly as possible.

    It’s hard to sustain the moral high ground for long with spin, over time the facts start to catch up and public opinion turns against you.

    This was written a couple of weeks before the dispute peaked. Pro Jackson comments over the past few days are still following the script.

    • Epping Road 9.2

      Astonishingly accurate except Helen Kelly got involved and turned it to custard. She ended up representing an Australian union that wasn’t allowed to negotiate in New Zealand and even if it had been legally registered couldn’t legally represent contractors. Smart move that one.

      • mickysavage 9.2.1

        Well done ER you have managed to follow 1, 2 and 4 all in one comment.

        • Epping Road 9.2.1.1

          mickysavage was the Actors Equity registered in NZ at the time of the dispute? Were they legally allowed to negotiate on behalf of contractors? Was or was not the MEAA which was not registered in NZ negotiating on Equity’s behalf? Did Equity represent a a big proportion of NZ film workers?

          • mickysavage 9.2.1.1.1

            Followed by a number 4.

            All I can say is what does this have to do with the Government lying to us?

            • Epping Road 9.2.1.1.1.1

              The Government wasn’t lying and nor was Jackson. The spin has definitely changed on this though. Just last night Bill was saying that the original boycott wasn’t a boycott at all but a “do not sign” notice. Like a polite “talk to your lawyer first” piece of advice. The twists and turns from Helen Kelly’s apologists is very funny. Apparently the MEAA wasn’t trying to negotiate industry-wide standards with Jackson.

              • Keep moving those goalposts ER.

              • Colonial Viper

                The Government wasn’t lying and nor was Jackson.

                Brilliant Newspeak. Slavery is freedom, etc

                • Epping Road

                  Yeah and “Helen Kelly had the interests of NZ film workers at heart” and “Helen Kelly is a really good negotiator” and “Helen Kelly always tells the truth”.

                  • Te Reo Putake

                    Yeah, spin it all you like. Helen Kelly has not lied, that would be Jackson and Taylor. And you, on their behalf.

                    • Epping Road

                      So when Helen Kelly said that nice man from Australia just wanted to sit down and chat about the terms and conditions on the Hobbit and nothing else, she wasn’t lying?

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Correct. And when Jackson claimed there was a risk that Warners would go offshore when he knew that they wouldn’t, that would be a lie. Lie, truth. Are you starting to see the difference?

                    • quartz

                      Paid shill.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Yeah time for a DNFTT order…I’ll try and comply haha

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Quite right, CV, I feel a PG style rolling eyes campaign coming on … :roll:

                    • Epping Road

                      Yes I see the difference TRP. In your world Helen Kelly good, Peter Jackson evil. Neither the NZ public nor global hobbit fans agree with you. Helen Kelly is crudely trying to rewrite history that she lost.

                    • geoff

                      Yep Epping Road is a tad slicker than the usual right wing losers we get around here but he’s still furiously trying to polish a turd.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      In my world? What would you know about my world, ER? Unlike you, I know Helen and she’s straight as a die. Her only mistake was thinking Jackson would act in good faith. But, instead he lied and now he’s paying you to do some more on his behalf.

                    • Epping Road

                      Yes poor Helen Kelly. She thought PJ would act in good faith. What an innocent well-meaning lady she is. After Simon Whipp turned up at Jackson’s house with every kind of big gun pointed at the front door, Whipp said: “Come on out, Peter. We just want to have a nice quiet chat with you. We’ll even supply the coffee and you can trust us that we haven’t poisoned it. You have nothing to fear.”

                      Good faith bargaining from the MEAA my arse. They brought every possible heavy down on Jackson as their opening move.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Billionaire Jackson cast in this show as the Victim of Bullying! Star scripting by F’ing Epping!

                      Peter Jackson giving foreign actors rights and privileges that he fights tooth and nail against giving his NZ colleagues!

                      Determined to make NZ yet another cheap 3rd world mine for Hollywood moguls.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Damn you caught me :twisted:

  10. ianmac 10

    “However, in a letter written after October 4 but never sent, Mr Brownlee, who was economic development minister, and Attorney-General Chris Finlayson outlined why, despite lobbying from the director, it would be “inappropriate” to change employment law as requested.”

    Never sent? So claimed in the supportive item by Hamish Rutherford in Business Stuff:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8355651/Jacksons-anger-at-union-snake

  11. Te Reo Putake 11

    Serious Fraud Office. Given that millions were paid to Warners after it was known that there never was a threat to pull out, that appears to be fraud. Or John Key is the worst businessman NZ has ever seen. Or both.

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      John Key made money for his clients*, that would make him a good businessman not a bad one.

      *Clearly these are not the ordinary workers of NZ.

      • Rob 11.1.1

        Really, the production workers and producing crew at Weta were all gainfully employed. But it is very convenient to forget about those workers, isn’t it team. No movie here and those jobs would be toast.

        Your idea of ordinary workers of NZ appears to be anything but.

        • Te Reo Putake 11.1.1.1

          Except we know know there jobs were never at risk, rob. We were lied to. Interesting you call them workers, btw. I thought they were supposed to be contractors.

        • Epping Road 11.1.1.2

          Shut up Rob. Colonial Viper, who has never worked in the NZ film inudustry or tried to organise them is now their spokesman. Since you disagree with him you’re just one of Peter Jackson’s evil paid shills.

  12. Epping Road 12

    “They knew the ban was lifted. They continued to insist it was in place. Lying lying liars.”

    No they didn’t. The Government knew that MEAA had been saying for weeks that the ban would be lifted but MEAA never announced this and neither Jackson nor the Government had any reason to trust that MEAA would follow through on their word.

    On what date did SAG publish that the ban was lifted?

    • just saying 12.1

      I believe it was reported at the time, that emails produced by the union showed that the studios asked the union to delay announcing the lifting of the ban until for a few days until a joint statement could be issued.

      You’ve been had, ER.

    • There was a hold up in publishing the lifting of the ban because (and excuse me for shouting) WARNER BROS WANTED TO DRAFT THE PRESS RELEASE AND DELAYED IN DOING THIS.

      Check out this article from the time published on Friday October 22, 2011 … http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10682389

      Note in particular the following passage:

      “However, a series of emails between Warner Bros and the Screen Actors’ Guild (SAG), sighted by NZPA, showed the two parties were discussing the wording of a press release announcing the settlement of the dispute from as early as Monday, US time.” Monday was the 18th of October 2011.

      This verifies Helen Kelly’s statement that the advisory had been lifted on the Sunday night but that Warners delayed the completion of the press release.

      • Epping Road 12.2.1

        Yeah right, so suddenly the SAG which imposed the ban on the Warner Bros production has to kow-tow to the company they’ve boycotted! MEAA was saying for weeks that it would announce that it was lifting the ban on production. They could have made the announcement at any time up until the 18th. Jackson’s statement on the 21st was by then the damage had already been done and the producers could no longer trust the union to act in good faith.

        • mickysavage 12.2.1.1

          Good diversion ER and I am sure that MEAA will trust Warners now.

          And how about you come up with some of those facty things to back up your proposition? I have Helen Kelly’s statement and NZPA’s viewing of emails verifying that the press release was being discussed and you have …

          • Epping Road 12.2.1.1.1

            October 20.

            “The films’ co-producer, Jackson’s partner Fran Walsh, said the ban placed on the film by the actors union remains in place, despite New Zealand actors saying it was lifted on Sunday and that Warner Bros. had been advised.

            “The boycott has not been lifted. If anyone goes to the Screen Actors’ Guild [of America] website now they will see we are blacklisted,” Walsh told National Radio.”

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/film/story/2010/10/20/new-zealand-hobbit-peter-jackson-director.html

            So you’re saying that SAG had to wait for Warners to announce the lifting of a ban that SAG imposed, and that somehow prevented SAG from removing the ban notice from their website until Warners made the announcement?

            Nice quoting of Helen Kelly though, she proved to be full of spin and untruths throughout that whole sorry saga.

            • quartz 12.2.1.1.1.1

              So Fran said on Nov 20 that the ban was in place but Peter said on the 18th that it was being lifted. Who was telling the truth?

              • Epping Road

                Where does PJ say the ban was being lifted on the 18th? Actors Equity claimed on the 18th that the ban was being lifted, but somehow this prevented SAG from withdrawing their boycott notice until Warners, who didn’t issue the boycott notice against their own production, unilaterally decided on a wording that was acceptable for them for SAG to use when SAG announced SAG’s ban.

                Equity and MEAA told Jackson for weeks that the ban would be lifted leading up to the 21st when it finally was lifted. Even as the ban was being lifted MEAA still wanted to heavy in on negotiations that they weren’t legally entitled to engage in. Why would you want to negotiate with another party if you’ve given away your only negotiation sanction (a boycott), unless you hadn’t actually given up that sanction?

            • mickysavage 12.2.1.1.1.2

              What about the emails that NZPA saw between the parties? I think the words for these is “verification” or “corroboration”.

              • Epping Road

                Where is the evidence that PJ saw or received these emails? The case against Jackson was that he conspired with Warners to say that the ban hadn’t been lifted when he knew it had been lifted. Where is the evidence that he received the emails that NZPA saw? Where is the evidence that Jackson was lying?

                Jackson was going on the facts. As at the 20th the ban remained in place. It was still listed on the SAG website. MEAA had been saying for weeks that it was removing the ban. Yet the ban remained in force on the SAG website. Even after Equity announced on the 18th that they were withdrawing the ban.

                Bad communication between Kelly, MEAA and SAG? Sure. Really clumsy negotiating from ham-fisted unions that were spinning their arses off and covering themselves in no glory whatsoever? Absolutely. But lies from Jackson? Bullshit.

                • Keep moving those goalposts ER.

                • Colonial Viper

                  More of 1. 4. and 5.

                  as per MS’s earlier comment.

                • Where is the evidence that PJ saw or received these emails

                  Um here tis …

                  It is contained in the email that was released yesterday. The one he sent on October 18, 2011 to the Government. The one that says

                  It seems like the blacklisting will be lifted tomorrow, which is due to Warners discussions with SAG, although Equity will try and claim credit for it.

                  It was still on the website because Warners were drafting the press release and delaying.

                  Care to reconsider?

                  • Epping Road

                    Then why wasn’t the ban lifted the next day? Why did it take three days to negotiate the wording? Because MEAA continued to push to negotiate with Jackson after the ban was lifted, which always raised the prospect of MEAA bringing the show to a stop again.

                    • I am not sure why I am bothering to do this but you have:

                      1. Avoided answering my comment. I offered it as proof that Jackson knew the ban was to be lifted.
                      2. Raised something that you have no proof whatsoever of (“MEAA continued to push to negotiate with Jackson after the ban was lifted”.

                      In terms of Irish’s analysis you are now playing rules 1 and 4.

                      You are also refusing to accept the evidence from Kelly, NZPA and Jackson who all clearly knew the ban was being lifted.

                      The only possible way you could say what you are saying are either:

                      1. You are telling big fibbies because you have no evidence or inside knowledge whatsoever.
                      2. You were heavily involved in the negotiations at a senior level either through Jackson or Warners and are currently spinning for them.

                      Which one is it?

                    • geoff

                      You’re a joke. Defending the lying egotist Jackson by attempting to divert the thread. We’ve seen these tactics from your kind time and time again.
                      You’re a disgrace to the country.

                    • Epping Road

                      You’re ignoring what were obviously critical events between 18 and 20 October. Why do you think SAG didn’t just front up to Warners on 18 October and say that the ban was going to be unconditionally removed and that SAG would announce that the MEAA would not initiate any further blacklisting on the Hobbit productions? What possible objection could Warners have had to that announcement?

                      Because that wasn’t what SAG were negotiating. It wasn’t the negotiation of the press release. The blacklist lifting was conditional on the negotiations on MEAA’s role going forward, which SAG continued to push for. If you really think that it takes three days of emergency meetings to draft a press release to renounce a blacklist then I have a bridge to sell you.

                      The email from Jackson shows that he was confident on the 18th that the blacklist would be lifted the next day. But it wasn’t lifted the next day. It took three days. No doubt Jackson was briefed by Warners on progress, but the blacklist was still in effect by the SAG until the SAG removed the blacklist. Which they still hadn’t done until the 21st.

                    • geoff

                      Well said Micky, the corporate dumb dumbs that hire the likes of Epping Road haven’t yet realised it does more harm than good to their corrupt cause. It merely draws further attention to the fact that they’ve been caught lying.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Where is the evidence that PJ saw or received these emails?

                  Just released by the government.

        • just saying 12.2.1.2

          The emails on this matter, as well as the recently released documents, demonstrate that the union was acting in good faith and Jackson et al weren’t.

          Warner Brothers could have publicised the lifting immediately. For some reason they chose not to.

          I don’t think you are arguing on thise matter in good faith anymore, if indeed you ever were, ER

          • Epping Road 12.2.1.2.1

            The SAG could have publicised the lifting of the ban immediately. Or they could have removed the ban notice from their website while they were negotiating the wording of the ban lifting. But they didn’t. And even after agreeing with Warners to lift the ban, MEAA still wanted to continue negotiating with Jackson. Which meant if MEAA didn’t get its way there was always a risk of a future ban.

            • mickysavage 12.2.1.2.1.1

              The SAG could have publicised the lifting of the ban immediately

              I agree. They should never have trusted Warners to play fair.

              • Epping Road

                So apparently SAG were happy to give Warners the right to dictate the statement that SAG made on lifting the ban, but SAG weren’t able to remove the ban listing from their website while the wording was decided? Nice spin dude!

                • I know this may be a foreign concept but it is called good faith bargaining.

                  So far someone involved in the negotiations (Kelly) has said it happened and NZPA have seen emails confirming it. You are maintaining continuously that because someone who was not involved in the negotiations (Walsh) says it did not happen it did not happen even though the emails say it did.

                  You are cherry picking your evidence to support the lines that you are running.

                  You are also following the script that Irish Bill set out a couple of weeks before the event.

                  And you show up yesterday as this incident again hits the news and posts continuously in a well written but deeply deceptive way.

                  Are you a paid shrill?

                  • Epping Road

                    No I’m not a shill of any kind, paid or unpaid. Are you a paid or unpaid shill for the union movement?

                    I am convinced that Jackson was under huge pressure, that he saw a film industry he created being swept out from under him, and that he genuinely believed that the film was lost to NZ. I believe he truthfully feared that the MEAA’s ongoing involvement in the film industry would cause instability.

                    You accuse me of cherry-picking evidence but you have consistently cherry-picked statements made by Kelly while mysteriously ignoring everything that took place leading up to Simon Whipp getting the Hobbit production blacklisted, everything that Simon Whipp was involved in until Helen Kelly got involved, and Helen Kelly trying to rewrite history.

                    • he genuinely believed that the film was lost to NZ. I believe he truthfully feared that the MEAA’s ongoing involvement in the film industry would cause instability

                      Well read his email and then come back and explain how you can still hold this view. The email is the one where he says that the blacklisting has nothing to do with choice of production base and all that Warners wanted was certainty in employment law.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Epping Road can’t read that email. it’ll cause a critical exception error.

                    • Epping Road

                      Again michysavage you are cherrypicking evidence. Saying that the blacklisting is not the issue at a particular point in time does not mean that the blacklisting was never an issue or a contributing factor. The blacklisting along with the rest of MEAA’s conduct were what caused fear of instability.

                      Why do you think Jackson feared there was not certainty around the Hobbit’s industrial relations? Could it possibly be because an Australian union tried to muscle in on the Hobbit, use the Hobbit as a means to set industry standards, claim credit for having set those standards and create a union base across the film industry? Could it have been that despite not being a registered union in NZ the MEAA brought down the SAG and several other international unions onto Jackson’s head as its opening gambit? Could it have been that the MEAA wanted to continue to negotiate terms and conditions on behalf of contractors at the final hour, even after the MEAA said they would lift a ban that they had promised to lift weeks earlier, but didn’t?

                      You are taking statements Jackson made in isolation. In Jackson’s statement of 21 October he made clear that the lifting of the blacklist was no longer the issue. It was the confidence that Warners had that the MEAA wouldn’t stir up trouble again and disrupt the production.

                      I think it is telling that not once have you defended Simon Whipp or the MEAA’s role in this dispute. Nor has Helen Kelly. Clearly both of you think his behaviour was indefensible, so instead you try to smokescreen Whipp’s role by abusing the motives of the man who built the NZ film industry. Classy.

                    • McFlock

                      Why do you think Jackson feared there was not certainty around the Hobbit’s industrial relations?

                      could it be that he’d become used to having a dictatorial fiefdom (unlike every other workplace in the country) that Bryson had challenged?

                      could it be that it’s unreasonable to expect “stability” from one party while offering none in return, yet this is what he wanted?

                      could it be that a handily-timed “crisis” is a useful way to extort money from a country (even if you have no real intent to follow through on your threat), particularly if the pm is a sycophantic groupie?

                    • Epping Road

                      “could it be that he’d become used to having a dictatorial fiefdom (unlike every other workplace in the country) that Bryson had challenged?”

                      Bryson was certainly a factor for Jackson and Warners from the beginning. That’s on the record. Whether you would go to such extraordinary steps of hiring hundreds of people on a production, scouting locations, and then booking flights out of there and then go through all that charade just to change Bryson is a big stretch. Warners knew of Bryson at the time they green-lighted the production. Sure Bryson was a problem, but saying it was a big conspiracy without any evidence is BS.

                      “could it be that it’s unreasonable to expect “stability” from one party while offering none in return, yet this is what he wanted?”

                      This is a film production. There were ways to set up stability around individual contractor agreements, and even negotiate collectively. You just set up a bigger company, negotiate directly with Jackson through that company and get the terms and conditions that you can. There never has been any evidence that the terms and conditions offered to the contractors were any less than offered elsewhere in the film industry in NZ. By all reports The Hobbit paid more, and with better conditions than everyone else in NZ.

                      “could it be that a handily-timed “crisis” is a useful way to extort money from a country (even if you have no real intent to follow through on your threat), particularly if the pm is a sycophantic groupie?”

                      Interesting conspiracy theory but you don’t have to go to all that effort to achieve it. You just sit the PM down and say: “If you don’t change the law then we’re going to announce we’re pulling out of NZ. Peter is making the announcement next week. This is the press release he’s issuing.”

                    • Ahhh Bryson the set model technician whose claim for modest compensation made its way all the way to the Supreme Court.

                      Existing New Zealand law allows people working on movies to be categorised as contractors. All you have to do is make sure that the paperwork is in order.

                      Yet the Bryson case was made out to be a movie ending threat by Warners and by Jackson.

                      Weirder and weirder.

                    • McFlock

                      So which bits are the things that you don’t think happened?

                      Jackson wanting the law changed because of Bryson?
                      Jackson/Hollywood talking up the union blacklist to justify the tax breaks?
                      The movie reps sitting down with Key and demanding a tax break with the threat of moving offshore?
                      or Key just offering them money and a law change for no reason?

                      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Key was a particularly tough negotiator on this issue by any stretch of the imagination, but it might be a bit much even for him to offer the law change and $60million in taxpayer funds just as koha for them coming to visit him in wellington. He probably gave them actual Gingernuts with their tea, rather than the home brand ginger bisuits, too.

                    • Epping Road

                      “Jackson wanting the law changed because of Bryson?”

                      Yes I think ideally Jackson and Warners wanted Bryson over-ruled by Parliament. It caused concern for the industry. That’s a matter of public record. But I don’t believe that Jackson believed that Bryson on its own created so much anguish that Warners and Jackson couldn’t work within it. Warners green-lighted the Hobbit after Bryson came down. They could not possibly assume that the Government would change the law. Of greater concern to Warners and Jackson was the MEAA using Bryson to cause instability in the film industry.

                      “Jackson/Hollywood talking up the union blacklist to justify the tax breaks?”

                      You’ve got to be joking. Talking up the blacklist? The blacklist brought the whole production to a stand-still. It isn’t a warning, or a don’t-sign-yet-notice. It means taht every actor and production member aligned to any international union can’t work on the production. It means that if Warners had proceeded with the production in spite of the blacklist then every global union would have blacklisted all of Warner’s films.

                      “The movie reps sitting down with Key and demanding a tax break with the threat of moving offshore?”

                      It’s a matter of public record that following the dispute, that simply changing the law wasn’t enough to bring the production back to NZ. More incentives were necessary. Would those incentives have been necessary if Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly hadn’t created so much instability in the film industry? No, absolutely not. Whipp’s and Kelly’s actions cost NZers a lot of money.

                      “or Key just offering them money and a law change for no reason?”

                      Not likely, no. When government is short of cash they’re not usually in the habit of just giving money away. I think the mess that Whipp and Kelly created made the extra incentives necessary to lure Warners’ back.

                      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Key was a particularly tough negotiator on this issue by any stretch of the imagination, but it might be a bit much even for him to offer the law change and $60million in taxpayer funds just as koha for them coming to visit him in wellington. He probably gave them actual Gingernuts with their tea, rather than the home brand ginger bisuits, too.

                    • McFlock

                      It’s a matter of public record that following the dispute, that simply changing the law wasn’t enough to bring the production back to NZ.

                      Really? You can link to it then.

                      Your comment seems to imply that the decision had in fact been made to shift the production offshore, and it was only the tax bribe plus the law change that brought it back. I’ll get my popcorn while you provide a link for that assertion.

                    • Epping Road

                      “Really? You can link to it then.”

                      I say that on the basis of Brownlee and the PMs statements after 21 October that they weren’t expecting to pay more, but they would look to changing the law if that was necessary.

                      “Your comment seems to imply that the decision had in fact been made to shift the production offshore, and it was only the tax bribe plus the law change that brought it back. I’ll get my popcorn while you provide a link for that assertion.”

                      Jackson’s statement on 21 October was that Warners were coming down to NZ to shift the production offshore. “Next week Warners are coming down to NZ to make arrangements to move the production off-shore. It appears we now cannot make films in our own country – even when substantial financing is available.”

                      I know that many believe Kelly and Whipp think that Jackson’s statement on this was a sham. But to believe it was a sham you need to prove a conspiracy. Given that of all the people involved in the negotiations at the highest levels of government, including ministers, ministerial staff, government departments, Jackson’s people, Warners, New Line, that not a shred of evidence has leaked out of the sham, I think you are struggling.

                      If the Government could have got away with just changing the law to bring the production back, I think they would have. I can think of no compelling reason to simply fire off a big cheque to Warners if the law change had been enough. I don’t think any law change, or any additional money would have been paid if MEAA and Kelly hadn’t bungled it.

                      You can call it a “tax bribe” if you like, but there have been tax incentives in the film industry for some time for big films. Was the Government pressured at the last moment to bend over backwards for Warners, doing things they wouldn’t have otherwise wanted to do? Bloody hell they were. Did they need to do this to make sure the production went ahead in NZ? Absolutely. Who caused that position to come about? Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly.

                    • McFlock

                      okay, you haven’t mastered the are of supplying evidence. no problem. You were only using public statements of proven and repeated liars as support.

                      You can call it a “tax bribe” if you like, but there have been tax incentives in the film industry for some time for big films. Was the Government pressured at the last moment to bend over backwards for Warners, doing things they wouldn’t have otherwise wanted to do? Bloody hell they were. Did they need to do this to make sure the production went ahead in NZ? Absolutely. Who caused that position to come about? Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly.

                      The bit I italicised is the crux of two issues:
                      1) was the production really going to go overseas, and if so was it worth the tax cuts and law change to keep it here? and

                      2) did the government know the answer to 1) and negotiate accordingly.

                      Quite frankly, the government was incompetent and the production company and jackson extracted as much out of that as possible.

                      Blame the unions all you want, but either they had enough support to endanger the NZ (and overseas) production, or they didn’t. In the first instance, the protest in favour of jackson was a sham march by a minority of scabs and shills. In the second instance, the tax rebate and law change were needless gifts from the government to the already rich. Either possibility makes your obsession against worker representation somewhat suspect.

                    • Epping Road

                      “okay, you haven’t mastered the are of supplying evidence. no problem. You were only using public statements of proven and repeated liars as support.”

                      I quoted Jackson. I think the Hobbit dispute showed Kelly up as a proven and repeated liar. You don’t believe Jackson, I don’t believe Kelly. You use Kelly’s testimony as the basis of your beliefs, I use Jackson’s. We’re not going to advance any further on that point but you can’t accuse me of not providing evidence. It just happens to be evidence that you don’t trust.

                      “The bit I italicised is the crux of two issues:
                      1) was the production really going to go overseas, and if so was it worth the tax cuts and law change to keep it here? and”

                      Yes I believe that the production really was going to go overseas, on the basis that to prove otherwise you have to prove a conspiracy, and for that conspiracy to be kept a secret then you rely on dozens if not hundreds of people privy to the negotiations remaining silent on the conspiracy for two and a half years. Not a single piece of evidence that the production wasn’t shifting offshore.

                      “2) did the government know the answer to 1) and negotiate accordingly.”

                      I think by the 21st the Government believed that it was going offshore, but that it was salvageable if the Government changed the law. You can argue that Warners’ would have sent a lackey or nobody at all rather than their top team to Wellington if it was just to confirm to the Government that they were pulling out. Did Warners think that it was salvageable? Obviously.

                      Do I think the Government had any idea beyond a law change, on 21 October, what was necessary to secure it? Unlikely. It was a moving feast. JK wouldn’t have publicly said that he didn’t expect to have to put more money on the table if he knew that he would. There’s no inclination from the PM’s reaction on 21-22 October that he was softening the public up for a cash payment as well as a law change. The law change, he was certainly softening the public up for.

                      I don’t know when it became clear to the Government that things in an addition to a law change were necessary. What was clear was the moment that the production was blacklisted by the MEAA, and every subsequent action to demonise Warners and Jackson, and every subsequent day that the blacklist remained in force, the more likely the production would be pulled, and the stronger Warners’ hand would be in any subsequent negotiation to salvage it.

                      Did Warners ratchet up the negotiations and squeeze the Government for all it could? Yes, probably. Could they have gone harder and got more? Maybe. Could the Government have struck a better deal for the taxpayer? Who knows. What we do know is that Warners had the upper hand and because of the economic value of the production the Government was in a desperate position to keep the production in NZ.

                      And the Government was only put in that desperate position because Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly desperately overplayed their hand, created absolute turmoil in the film industry, and then slinked off while the Government picked up the bill.

                      “Blame the unions all you want, but either they had enough support to endanger the NZ (and overseas) production, or they didn’t.”

                      The union that represented less than 10% of NZ actors, and wasn’t even registered in NZ. The tiny union in NZ that called down blacklists from every big international film union.

                      “In the first instance, the protest in favour of jackson was a sham march by a minority of scabs and shills.”

                      Come on. Over a thousand protesters. The “sham march” that Kelly was too afraid to meet with. The huge majority of people committed to work on the Hobbit were not union members. Not even MEAA or Helen Kelly ever claimed that they represented anything like a big part of the film industry.

                      “In the second instance, the tax rebate and law change were needless gifts from the government to the already rich. Either possibility makes your obsession against worker representation somewhat suspect.”

                      I disagree that they were needless gifts. Read above. I’m not obsessed against worker representation. Workers have every right to organise within the law. Film workers and unions had every right to lobby the Government for commerce act changes to allow them to negotiate collectively for contractors, which they never tried to do even under a union-friendly government. I think unions are entitled to recruit. But the law says that both parties must act in good faith. Using one production to advance your ambitions for the whole industry isn’t good faith. Bringing down the heaviest possible sanctions as your first move isn’t good faith. Nowhere has Helen Kelly ever justified Simon Whipp’s actions. Nor have any of Helen Kelly’s supporters here. The silence around Whipp is extraordinary.

                    • McFlock

                      You might want to point to where you quoted, though. That’s the difference between evidence and gossip.

                      Anyway, we know there was a conspiracy to extract as much money from making the film in NZ as possible. It’s called a production company. The question is whether the rumoured move overseas was a genuine concept, or just a hollow threat. The same individuals can be involved in either, as either is a strategic negotiating and production decision. So your “conspiracy theory” basis for believing the public negotiating position is flawed.

                      What we do know is that Warners had the upper hand and because of the economic value of the production the Government was in a desperate position to keep the production in NZ.

                      Hmm. That motive is inconsistent with every other decision the government has made. Of course the difference is movies have more glitz than carpets or trains. You might need a rethink there.

                      The silence around Whipp is extraordinary.

                      Mostly because peter jackson said the employment law change was irrelevant to the film being made in nz, if you read the post’s links. The issue is that national kept pretending the ban was up so they could have idiots like you thinking there was a connection between that and the production in NZ.

                      Tell me something: do you think they would have avoided a blacklist if they went to Estonia because workers here were trying to unionise? Irrelevant to the law change and the rebate. But Key met hollywood bigwigs and got a sword, so yays for us.

                    • Epping Road

                      “You might want to point to where you quoted, though. That’s the difference between evidence and gossip.”

                      I have been pointing most of the time. This conversation has been over two threads in two days already. A lot of the points raised against what I’ve said, once you filter out the personal attacks that a number of commenters have made against me (and I respect you for mostly resisting those), have been repeated. You’re correct that I haven’t added links and quotes each time, but when asked to I have. When asked if I think something is my interpretation based on the evidence then I have been upfront about that.

                      “Anyway, we know there was a conspiracy to extract as much money from making the film in NZ as possible. It’s called a production company.”

                      Likewise you could say that there was a “conspiracy” by the unions to extract as much influence as possible over this period.

                      “The question is whether the rumoured move overseas was a genuine concept, or just a hollow threat. The same individuals can be involved in either, as either is a strategic negotiating and production decision.”

                      I agree, that is the issue.

                      “So your “conspiracy theory” basis for believing the public negotiating position is flawed.”

                      No. My argument against the conspiracy theory is that if it had been a sham by the production company (and allegedly the Government was in on this sham), then there is a very high probability that one of the dozens if not hundreds of people who participated in this sham, to call off a production as an empty threat, would have spilled the beans by now. They haven’t.

                      “Hmm. That motive is inconsistent with every other decision the government has made. Of course the difference is movies have more glitz than carpets or trains. You might need a rethink there.”

                      I call BS on that. The Government intervenes all the time. It does so based on whether there’s political advantage for them in intervening. Of course JK wanted to walk down the red carpet. Of course he wanted the jobs to stay here. If the Hobbit had gone offshore then it would have been disastrous for any government.

                      Even assuming that the CTU and the MEAA would have acted the same way they did under a Labour Government, do you think Helen Clark would have made different decisions if they had been put in that negotiating position with Warners? Do you really think Helen would have let Warners walk away from the table, take their production overseas, and refused to cut a deal to keep them here?

                      “Mostly because peter jackson said the employment law change was irrelevant to the film being made in nz, if you read the post’s links. The issue is that national kept pretending the ban was up so they could have idiots like you thinking there was a connection between that and the production in NZ.”

                      What’s your reference for PJ saying the employment law change was irrelevant? Previous comment from Kelly’s fan-club have been that PJ said that the boycott was irrelevant to Warner’s decision. I’ve argued the latter point with other commenters to death already. The conclusion I’ve drawn is that I don’t believe that anything PJ said on that issue is inconsistent.

                      “Tell me something: do you think they would have avoided a blacklist if they went to Estonia because workers here were trying to unionise? Irrelevant to the law change and the rebate.”

                      That’s the first time I’ve seen it raised, but it is an interesting issue. I would say that SAG’s decision to withdraw the boycott was not contingent on the production staying in NZ. SAG made the decision to withdraw the boycott before Jackson said that the production was all but lost to NZ. So if Warners had gone to Estonia then no ban would have been in place in Estonia.

                    • McFlock

                      No. My argument against the conspiracy theory is that if it had been a sham by the production company (and allegedly the Government was in on this sham), then there is a very high probability that one of the dozens if not hundreds of people who participated in this sham, to call off a production as an empty threat, would have spilled the beans by now. They haven’t.

                      Who says hundreds of people would need to lie? Just the negotiating team and decision makers. Nobody else.

                      “Hmm. That motive is inconsistent with every other decision the government has made. Of course the difference is movies have more glitz than carpets or trains. You might need a rethink there.”

                      I call BS on that. The Government intervenes all the time. It does so based on whether there’s political advantage for them in intervening. Of course JK wanted to walk down the red carpet. Of course he wanted the jobs to stay here. If the Hobbit had gone offshore then it would have been disastrous for any government.

                      Big difference between “political advantage” and the motive you initially attributed to the government, “because of the economic value of the production the Government was in a desperate position to keep the production in NZ”. And before you call an indirect relationship between the two, our low-growth, high unemployment, high deficit government demonstrates otherwise.

                      I would say that SAG’s decision to withdraw the boycott was not contingent on the production staying in NZ.

                      I’d say that shifting country because the workers there are easier to screw over is likely to piss off unions, including SAG.

                      What’s your reference for PJ saying the employment law change was irrelevant?
                      sorry, Blackwood

                    • Epping Road

                      “What’s your reference for PJ saying the employment law change was irrelevant?
                      sorry, Blackwood”

                      I think you are mistaken. Neither the Herald article nor the emails assert that the law change was irrelevant. The Herald article asserts that on the 15th October Blackwood said that the production was committed to NZ. But this is not supported by Blackwood’s correspondence in the emails. Read page 10 from Blackwood to Brownlee on Tuesday 12 October http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/document/pdf/20139/NZHHobbitDocuments.PDF

                      “First, and most importantly, when you asked me if the decision had been made to move the films offshore, I told you that that decision had not yet been made. And it hasn’t. As I have said to you on every occasion that we have spoken, we are committed to NZ, both because of Peter and Fran’s deep commitment to be there, as well as our own – we filmed all three Lord of the Rings films in NZ and are not makeng any decisions to move this production lightly. If that were to happen, it would honestly be a blow to all of us. That said, we are in a very precarious position…”

                      Blackwood’s email doesn’t mention the law change, and certainly doesn’t say that the law change was irrelevant to its decision. The point in Blackwood’s email was to alert Brownlee of the increasing risk.

                      Forward three days to 15 October (page 12 of the PDF), when Blackwood sent a furious message to Brownlee via PJ, informing him that Whipp had just turned up in LA to make demands about Warners agreeing to renegotiate the Pink Book before he would rescind the Do Not Work order. That is directly from Blackwood’s email to PJ.

                      In my view there is no question that Whipp turning up to LA to push his case on the day that the SAG was due to announce its removal of the blacklist on 15 October to make further demands of Warners didn’t inflame things, and create a climate of distrust, then I’m afraid on the basis of the email correspondence I disagree with you. PJ would have to be some very special kind of Evil Genius to pull that off. And if you really think that Warners would suddenly turn around and have agreed all the issues with SAG by the 18th, when SAG was supposedly ready to pull the plug on its blacklist, then I think that’s a nonsense too.

                      Of course there’s an easy way to create some balance in the argument. We’ve seen the emails between Ministers and the producers. What we haven’t seen is the correspondence between Whipp and his negotiating team, particularly the SAG and the CTU. Helen Kelly must have received that. Surely she can easily release all the amils she had over the period between the CTU and MEAA and SAG on the Hobbit dispute so that we can compare PJ’s story against hers.

                    • McFlock

                      nice. 12 oct email she says the are deply committed to nz but might move to NSW, to face the same union, and doesn’t mention factoring in a strike by the same union. Seriously?

                    • McFlock

                      oh, you got yourself banned. Never mind then.

                  • Epping Road

                    Sorry Mcflock, for the sake of clarity I accidentally included your last paragraph in my comment. That isn’t my comment of course.

            • quartz 12.2.1.2.1.2

              Fuck off paid shill.

    • Ant 12.3

      Piss off troll, it’s common knowledge they were organising a coordinated press release with all involved parties.

      • Epping Road 12.3.1

        Yeah sure it takes three days of emergency meetings of big teams at the highest levels of Warner’s and the SAG to organise a coordinated press release.

        • McFlock 12.3.1.1

          it does when someone drags their feet to get more concessions from a compliant government.

  13. ianmac 13

    The essence of Steven Joyce’s comments is that the ends justify the means. A pretty dangerous line for a government in a democracy, – unless you live in Fiji.

  14. bad12 14

    Slippery deliberately told a big one in the House yesterday while under fire from the combined Opposition Labour/Green/NZFirst over the absolute mess His Government have made of the States coal miner Solid Energy,

    Being quizzed by the Green Party’s Russell Norman over His support for Solid Energy’s move to diversify into lignite coal to diesel as late as 2011-2012 in public speeches the Prime Minister claimed that while coal prices were high He was happy to support such moves by the State’s coal miner,

    i have to say here that for the first time i was a little disappointed with Russell Norman when He didn’t immediately ask a supplementary question and expose the previous answer from Slippery the Prime Minister as the deliberate misleading of the House or LIE that it actually was,

    Our Prime Minister happy to have Solid Energy diversify into fuel production from coal as the coal prices where high???,

    In 2008 a bare month befor His election to the post of Prime Minister the price of a tonne of coal on the open market fell from US$150 a full third of it’s price to US$111.50,

    By October 2010 the price of coal had fallen a further third to US$71.25 a tonne,

    Hopefully Russell Norman puts the Slippery little Shyster on the spot at next Tuesday’s question time in the Parliament over such utter bullshit the Prime Minister has made up so as to attempt to extricate Himself from responsibility that He and His Finance Minister, Bill from Dipton, must equally share in their total ignorance of the looming crisis faced by the States cola miner Solid Energy….

    • tc 14.1

      I’m surprised he’s even in QT, unless he really has lost interest now having all his boxes ticked as he’s not competant enough to hold out on a concerted and focused session.

      Maybe someone in the MSM can do this on the oppositions behalf…….yeah right !

  15. bunch of new posters 15

    In the constitutional system of Parliamentary democracy with its supposed built-in checks and balances it is the job of the Opposition to pick up a Government on lies and expose them ruthlessly with all the privileges of the public forums it has access to.

    On the reasonable assumption that the Party in power whatever its colour will always seek to abuse that power, the question posed by the article really ought to ask what we as citizens can and/or should do when we have an Opposition that through incompetence, laziness or self-interest fails to fulfil its role.

    • Bunji 15.1

      Okay, so when something is exposed, like this, what happens then? I think that was more the point…

      • Colonial Viper 15.1.1

        I predict that John Key’s personal rating stays clearly over 40% and National holds steady around 47%.

        But that’s probably not what you meant…

      • bunch of new posters 15.1.2

        Well my personal suggestion for a more responsible, accountable Parliament would be to divide the country into, say, twentyfour constituencies each returning five MP’s, one to be elected per annum. You could go even further and stagger the annual elections so that somewhere there are six MPs having to stand for re-election every quarter. The advantages:

        1. It ditches the pre-Steam-Age notion of General Elections, with the tri-annual lie-fest that is the hustings, the concentrated media hysteria and all the baby-kissing while allowing politicians to ignore us all the rest of the time,

        2. It gives us each an annual opportunity to have our say on the Govrnment’s performance,

        3. Having a vote for one of five allows greater nuances of political expression.

        Each consituency would be composed of rich and poor, city, small town and rural districts from across the counry to get rid of the Epsom phenomenon, and the 18th Century notion that your MP had to be within half a day’s horseback ride.

        With each MP having a five-year term I’d limit any MP to two terms maximum – even non-consecutive ones.

  16. RJL 16

    Sure it is possible to imagine court action, or some more active role for the Speaker or an Ombudsman to sanction lying politicians. But that just seems to move the problem around — who ensures the integrity the judge/ombudsman/etc?

    Our system does work, to the extent that if the public cares about the lies politicians tell, then the politicians simply get voted out.

    It really comes down to the opposition politicians (and possibly journalists and “concerned citizens”) telling the public why they should care, *and* the opposition politicians offering a convincing alternative.

    Of course, a problem is that lots of things politicians (from all sides) say can be spun as lies.

  17. Mary 17

    Darien Fenton was absolutely piss-weak abysmal on Morning Report this morning. No wonder Key can get away with what he does. Just hopeless.

  18. Draco T Bastard 18

    When it becomes obvious that an entire government lied to the populace then that government needs to be jailed with the opposition taking over government until a new election is held. Anything less is accepting the corruption that the lies represent.

    • Epping Road 18.1

      Oh yeah that’s democratic. Worked in Fiji didn’t it.

      • Colonial Viper 18.1.1

        Newsflash – we are already a crony capitalist banana republic.

        (Without the bananas, admittedly).

      • Colonial Viper 18.1.2

        Funny how you think that “corruption” and “lies” from Government is “democratic”. I’m pretty sure that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

        • Epping Road 18.1.2.1

          That big pro National Party conspiracy Transparency International disagrees with you on your corruption claim, and that other big National Party conspiracy, called the New Zealand public, disagrees with you on the “lies” claim. Keep blabbing your nonsense though because it’s obviously very comforting for you.

          • Colonial Viper 18.1.2.1.1

            Transparency International? When did they manage to study these incriminating Hobbit emails?

            Oh yeah, they haven’t lol

          • aspasia 18.1.2.1.2

            Still waiting for evidence that the CTU funded Bryson, ER? You will be called on unsubstantiated allegations if you choose to blog here.

            • Epping Road 18.1.2.1.2.1

              JK made the statement at the press conference announcing the deal to bring the Hobbit back to NZ after the dispute. To my knowledge Key has never been challenged on it. Did I make up the claim? No. Did JK make it up? Who knows. If you think everything Helen Kelly says is gospel then how can you object if most of NZ believe JK?

              • Te Reo Putake

                How can it be be brought back to NZ if it never left?

              • framu

                ” Did JK make it up? ”

                who knows – he does however have a history of making shit up so i wouldnt use him as any kind of evidence

              • framu

                “how can you object if most of NZ believe JK?”

                oh, the self appointed spokesman for the people of NZ now are we

                shit mate – your a first rate Augean Stable of BS

                hope youve got waders on – and earmuffs

              • aspasia

                Presumably this is not a reply to my post? If it is, she’s your link?

                • aspasia

                  Edit function not working? My post should have read “where’s your link?” Not sure what your post should have read…….

                  • Epping Road

                    Aspasia the statement from Key was on Breakfast on the morning of the meeting with Warners, see about 3.35m in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQsQr02T2pE

                    • aspasia

                      Oh I see….I was looking for actual evidence. Key, on the morning of meeting with Warner Bros, claims that the unions funded the Bryson SC case. Yes he did make it up. It obviously suited the spin at the time.

                      The CTU does not have the deep pockets of Warner Bros. But in any event there was no way Bryson’s counsel was going to pass up the chance to bring the first ever employment law case in the Supreme Court. As the SC decision demonstrates, there was considerable legal concern that the Court of Appeal had seriously distorted well settled common law principle to find for Three Foot Six. The law is about more than the film industry. Gould was quite prepared to appear pro bono in this situation.

                      Helen Kelly?? Ross Wilson was CTU President at the material time.

            • One Tāne Huna 18.1.2.1.2.2

              Don’t hold your breath. ER’s work here involves repeating finely-spun horseshit, not acknowledging error.

          • framu 18.1.2.1.3

            ” Transparency International disagrees with you on your corruption claim”

            yeah, its “perceived corruption” numbskull

          • Draco T Bastard 18.1.2.1.4

            Transparency International report perception and that is not the reality. NZ is actually majorly corrupt.

      • tc 18.1.3

        Stick with sacarcm as the trolling isn’t working out for you.

      • Draco T Bastard 18.1.4

        I don’t recall asking for a military coup, just that the government be held accountable for its actions. That would probably require some law changes such as the power of recall and, in extreme cases*, the AG and the governor to be able to instruct the police to act.

        * When it’s obvious that the government has broken the law.

  19. One Tāne Huna 19

    What to do about the National Party?

    Parliament is a court. Introduce stronger rules of admissible evidence, and harsher penalties for perjury in Parliament.

    Turn prosecution decisions over to the police and crown prosecution.

    • Lanthanide 19.1

      If they lied in parliament, then there are already good sanctions available.

      In this case I believe they only lied on TV and radio interviews.

  20. Steady Course 20

    Give up ER, the left will continue to grasp at pathetic little straws in an attempt to stem the ever gaining popularity of National. Conspiracies conspiracies, i suppose John Key in conjunction with warners organised 9/11 too huh?

    • Arfamo 20.1

      Haven’t seen anyone here making that nonsense 9/11 claim but you. Does bollocks like this typify your arguments and evidence?

    • Draco T Bastard 20.2

      So, solid proof that the government lied is “grasping at straws”?

      riiiiiight.

  21. bad12 21

    There now appears to be 3 official languages in New Zealand, along with Maori and English Slippery the Prime Minister has introduced BULLSHIT as the official language of the Parliament…

  22. Rupert Snodgrass (stupid banned troll) 22

    Why are Trade Union filth trying so hard to rewrite the history of the Hobbit Saga?

    Because Kiwi workers rose as one to fight against their treason.

    Helen Kelly and the CTU conspired with a foreign entity to destroy a multi-billion dollar Kiwi industry.

    And Kiwi workers prevented them.

    Two years later, the constant screeching of Union filth reminds us, how bitter their defeat was. We marched on Mayday, their day, to save Kiwi jobs whilst they hid in their offices, squealing that their exploitation of Kiwi workers had come to an end.

    • Steady Course 22.1

      Good Call

    • One Tāne Huna 22.2

      Just the facts, ma’am. The government lied. The emails prove it. Granny concurs.

    • quartz 22.3

      Because Kiwi workers rose as one to fight against their treason.

      Jesus Peter Jackson is posting here now.

      It is true, Peter, that you have moved into a sterile room and stopped cutting your nails?

    • vto 22.4

      Snodgrass you malign unions and workers at your peril. You need to grow up and learn some history about them.

      In addition, from reading this thread and hanging around on this site for far too long now it seems abundantly clear that Epping Road and Rupert Snodgrass are only one degree of separation from Jackson and his crew – if not sitting across the desk from each other.

      Straight from the “top”. Top in one sense only, bottom in most humanity measures which stand the test of time and history.

      What a bunch of wankers, bashing on working people and unions. My views tend to the right mostly – except on union matters and workers where some heavy base lines for good society sit. Will never view Jackson films or Jackson himself the same again. What a shame.

      shame

      • Epping Road 22.4.1

        vto I am not “one degree of separation from Jackson and his crew”. I have had nothing to do with his production, nothing to do with anything that he has done, or anybody who’s ever been associated with him, never been a supplier or contractor or anybody related to that, nothing to do with Warners or any of their companies, nothing to do with the Government’s deal with Warners or with Jackson. I had no involvement in organising any campaign against any of the unions or any campaign supporting the Hobbit production. As above for any connection that you suspect I might have deliberately left out. Everything I’ve said is based on my personal perspective based on what is on the public record.

        The closest I’ve ever come to Jackson was wandering down the road in Miramar last year and seeing a big black mercedes driving down the road, and realising when it passed that Jackson was driving. Oh, and about a year ago when I had nothing to do on a long weekend, I helped out a friend who was installing a new ceiling on the property of somebody who was a building contractor for the production. I was paid for that gig for two days work, for which I think I earned $380 and an exhausted body. I didn’t do it for the money, but to help out a friend who needed a couple of manual labourers that weekend. I don’t know who that building contractor who owned that property was since they were away at the time but I could probably point the house out if pushed.

        But that is the extent of my conflict of interest, if you can call it that. Oh, and I did pay for a movie ticket to go and see the film in December. Now if anybody else commenting in this thread who has had any contact with Helen Kelly, the CTU, MEAA, Actors Equity or anybody involved in their campaigns wants to declare their associations, then feel free.

    • vto 22.5

      Further, snodghrass and epping and others …. do you not see the anger and resentment that this conduct has brought out of the left and the workers movement and the unions? Does it not register, the weight of this? Do you have your eyes open?

      Some of you claim that the union eyes are not open to the ‘wow’ of Slippery and Jackson that the public apparently see, but that is flash in the pan. You should think on the firestorm you have unleashed.

      • Rupert Snodgrass (stupid banned troll) 22.5.1

        do you not see the anger and resentment that this conduct has brought out of the left and the workers movement and the unions?

        The workers’ movement, vto, is us: those of us who marched against Trade Union sabotage of our industry, and the tens of thousands of Kiwis who marched with us on Mayday 2010.

        We are the workers. And guess what:

        You Labour/Green/Mana voting, welfare-guzzling, crime-committing, Trade Unionist traitors don’t speak for the actual people who work in this country. So take your entitled arse and get the fuck out. There is no place for you and your kind in decent Kiwi society and we’re tired of carrying you.

        • IrishBill 22.5.1.1

          You marched to ensure you can never have the choice to be employees. What are you going to march for next? Abolishing your right to vote? Slow. Clap.

          • Rupert Snodgrass (stupid banned troll) 22.5.1.1.1

            We marched to save it from Trade Union treason, you Trotskyite buffoon.

            What shall we march for next? Actually, I’d be keen for us to march to abolish your right to vote.

            A tragedy of the Kiwi condition is universal suffrage. Only those who contribute to society should have a voice in how it is run

            And you, Irish, most certainly would not qualify. So suck back on that welfare some more, and tell decent Kiwis how we should run an industry that you know nothing about..

            [lprent: It is hard to find anything that you have "contributed" over the past few days that could be considered to be informative or worthwhile. Indeed you don't appear to have any actual knowledge of the film industry in NZ after looking through your comments

            FYI: my partner is a director, producer, and has been around the local film industry for years. I'm a programmer and I've worked around the digital arts enough to consider you to be a complete blowhard fuckwit. Basically it sounds to me like you're more of a wannabe than someone who does anything.

            But I'm taking your "advice" - you don't contribute here at all.

            You appear to be a simple and quite stupid troll. You are permanently banned. ]

            • IrishBill 22.5.1.1.1.1

              I know quite a bit about the industry. I was involved in it in a small way some years ago.

              You marched because your boss told you your jobs were on the line when he knew full well they weren’t. Now you’ve found that out, you feel like a sucker. It’s understandable.

              • lprent

                Actually after reading his comments I can’t see any indication that he has any background in the film industry. Looked like a simple troll. I just banned him as one.

                BTW: after nearly 33 months, they’re shipping our project out the door. Stamping out the final version of the code in this evenings build. So I can start moderating out some of these fools again.

                • IrishBill

                  I liked having him here. I thought he was a fine example of Peter Jackson’s supporters.

                  • lprent

                    Might have been a fine example of something, however his technique was way way too good in the incendiary arts to have been the simple innocent. I think he was just here for the trolling and really had nothing to say. Certainly in 6 comments he never betrayed any actual knowledge of the topics he was speaking about (apart from an ability to use bold well)

                  • Kevin Welsh

                    Yeah, keep him on. I’ve never been this close to the rantings of an actual fascist before. I’m intrigued…

                • bad12

                  That would be nice as far as giving the idiot brigade a spanking, the posts have been getting harder to read as they become more inflamed…

        • vto 22.5.1.2

          Snodgrass “The workers’ movement, vto, is us: those of us who marched against Trade Union sabotage of our industry, and the tens of thousands of Kiwis who marched with us on Mayday 2010.

          We are the workers. And guess what:

          You Labour/Green/Mana voting, welfare-guzzling, crime-committing, Trade Unionist traitors don’t speak for the actual people who work in this country. So take your entitled arse and get the fuck out. There is no place for you and your kind in decent Kiwi society and we’re tired of carrying you.”

          ..

          Sometimes it don’t take much to knock the scab off and see the pus inside ooze out.

          Snodgrass, if you’re watching from inside your cell – why have you mixed up labour, greens, mana? I aint them. Why have you mixed up welfare with unions and working men and women? Why have you brought “entitlement” into it? And decent? It seems you are simply full of assumptions and incorrections and have no room left for thinking or analysis.

          Why do you hate trade unions? It would be interesting to know if you have read any of NZ’s trade union history – it is ugly. Ugly from your side fulla. Read some and shrivel Snodgrass.

      • Epping Road 22.5.2

        vto I can see that this issue has inflamed some professional unionists and their small group of supporters, but there is no evidence that has resonated with the general public. I wasn’t at the Hobbit premiere but I didn’t hear of any Hobbit counter-protest among the hundred thousand strong crowd. JK talked about the “hobbit haters” during the election but Labour tried pretty hard to ignore his taunts as an election issue. I’m quite sure that if there had been any mileage in milking the issue politically then Labour would have run with it. But as far as I know they didn’t.

        • IrishBill 22.5.2.1

          Are you still here? I see you’ve defaulted to the old saw of “but everyone agrees with me”. Your man lied. He’s been caught out. Everyone has seen him being caught out thanks to media such as Campbell Live and the NZ Herald. Time to put down the desperate sophism and go home – better luck next time, mate.

          • Epping Road 22.5.2.1.1

            Do try to keep up Bill. Despite my share of abuse and people telling me to fuck off, I have been debating the issue with McFlock. It’s fair to say that we don’t agree but the debate has been civil. I don’t agree that he lied, or that he got caught out. Read the thread below 12.2.2.1 . I haven’t watched Campbell Live but I disagree with your statement that the Herald says Jackson lied.

            • Colonial Viper 22.5.2.1.1.1

              Capitalist shill

              Polite language

              Obscene values

              • Epping Road

                You’re relentless Colonial Viper. First you accuse me of being a PJ shill and then you attack me for not addressing that abuse I declare my (non)-interest with PJ and then you resort to calling me a capitalist shill. You’re still a troll. Too lazy to engage in discussion or to add to the debate you just throw abuse.

                • Epping Road you are one of the better propagandists that I have seen for a while.

                  I am interested though, your professed knowledge of the subject means either that you are heavily involved with Warners/Jackson or you are blowing smoke out of your arse.

                  Which is it?

                  • lprent

                    He already answered most of that in this comment – http://thestandard.org.nz/lies-and-sanctions/#comment-596456

                    But I agree he is a whole lot more interesting that the silly troll I dumped out earlier.

                  • pollywog

                    Fwiw I think he’s otm…

                  • Epping Road

                    Your first option is flattering but wrong mickysavage, as I’ve explained above which I suppose only leaves the “blowing smoke out of your arse” option.

                    I hope I haven’t indicated “professed knowledge of the subject”. I don’t know anything that isn’t on the public record. I have impressions and judgements based on what is on the public record and my conclusions based on those judgements are obviously different from yours.

                    I’ve certainly learned a lot in this thread; people challenging me on issues and quoting things that I haven’t seen before, and my position on some of those issues has changed.

                    The biggest one I would note, which only came to me in the last couple of hours, is why Jackson would write to Brownlee on October 18 that the blacklist, and the lifting of it, was not the issue that would see a loss of confidence by Warners, when all the other correspondence shows that the imposition of the blacklist was so obviously very near the heart of the dispute. Other issues such as Bryson and immigration visas irritations, but the blacklist was the crux of it.

                    The assumption I’ve drawn from that, and I admit it is an angle that hasn’t been raised because I’ve only just come up with it, is that Jackson couldn’t admit that the blacklist was the issue, and he almost certainly would have been instructed by Warners to make it clear that the blacklist was not the issue. Had he said that the blacklist was the reason that Warners was likely to pull out of NZ, even after the blacklist had been lifted, then SAG would have been entitled to slap a blacklist wherever Warners moved to in retaliation for Warners upping sticks from NZ.

                    Which is why in my view PJ couched the likelihood of Warners pulling the plug in terms of the general employment environment in the October 18 email.

                    • pollywog

                      Which is why I’ve always maintained that it wasn’t about moving sticks it was about canning the project.

                      That is to say, if it wasn’t going to be made in NZ it wasn’t going to be made at all.

                      I only wish Del Toro had directed and that Key weren’t such a corporate suckhole bankster.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      An interesting possible reason for the lies, ER. There may be hope for you yet! However, I’m pretty convinced he’s bullshitted his workers for the usual Tory reasons; power and control. And shitloads of taxpayer dollars for his mates.

                    • OK so you are blowing smoke. Thanks for that.

                    • Arfamo

                      I find your reasoning thoughtful and your posts worth reading ER. Wouldn’t this suggest the PJ AND the Government got played by Warners, who were probably actually only after the tax breaks then?

            • IrishBill 22.5.2.1.1.2

              Whatever.

              • Epping Road

                Your credibility on this issue was shot last night when you claimed you’d been at the protest and that there were no more than 150 protesters there. I pointed out to you a youtube video showing far more than that, and then you went silent.

                I have now seen the Campbell interview. Quite typically for him, he singled out one sentence in Jackson’s email of the 18th October, which read: “It seems like the blacklisting will be lifted tomorrow…”

                Campbell then didn’t include that in the same email PJ made it clear to Brownlee that Warners’ main concern was the lack of certainty in employment laws and based on MEAA’s actions Warners were looking to move the film. Which completely puts to rest your claim that the film was going ahead anyway on the day of the protest.

                IrishBill: You think you’re in a position to comment on my credibility? Take a week off.

                Also, I was curious to see what you were talking about vis-a-vis the protest numbers. It appears you’ve got mixed up – I was talking about the “spontaneous” protest after the evening meeting. Not the labour day one. If you’d calmed down a bit and check that before slagging me off you might not be banned right now. Never mind

                • Arfamo

                  How did a supposed lack of certainty about Labour laws end up with Jonkey caving in and foregoing millions in tax breaks? Suggests to me there was more to the whole rort on PJ and Warners’ part than just concern about the unions.

                  • Epping Road

                    Arfarmo I have addressed this in http://thestandard.org.nz/lies-and-sanctions/#comment-596398. My view is based on my reading of the emails and other public statements made by Key and others at the time.

                    • Arfamo

                      Fair enough. Thanks. Have gone back and read your other posts too. I don’t think Key was part of any conspiracy of the “evil wealthy class”. I think he just got expertly played by WB. Wouldn’t be surprised if thinks so now, too, though he’s maybe already just forgotten about it by now. He no doubt has many other more important things to fail to remember.

                • pollywog

                  Weak sauce IB imho!

    • Draco T Bastard 22.6

      Not trying to rewrite it – that would be the government, PJackson and other associated people of the right-wing. Everyone else is trying to get history correctly recorded.

      BTW, the people who marched at PJackson’s request were marching against the best interests.

  23. fenderviper 23

    ‘How can we stop this kind of barefaced lying from happening again?’

    Firing squad for all concerned should send appropriate message.

    Or just send them to Serco for an extended holiday in a cell.

    • McFlock 23.1

      bit much.

      a media that keeps notes might be useful.

      Query: is there a list of the occasions where John Key has said something that was actually true? It might be shorter than his list of lies.

      Sources would be nice, and it doesn’t count if he’s correcting a previous lie because he got caught.

      • gobsmacked 23.1.1

        a media that keeps notes might be useful.

        Or the opposition could call him on it.

        Like Winston did just now, in the House. He directly accused Key of “lying” (his word).

        (Shearer had the next supplementary and of course he did what he always does – he read out the next pre-written question. As if nothing had happened).

        Key gets away with this for one reason: he’s allowed to.

  24. aerobubble 24

    The high dollar was costing the Hobbit backers enough to consider moving it?
    So in order to save it Jackson started drolling, first to govt, then on live TV.
    The thing I don’t get was why Key used the issue to beat up on unions, and
    actively harm the prospects of the movies, as many would be movie goers
    would be unionists (or their parents who were paying the movie ticket).

    The brand, Hobbit, was besmirched by Key’s ideological hatred for labour unions.
    As for the whole union-contractor issue, the world union can still go out and
    boycott, anytime, anyplace it wants. It hasn’t, and won’t, which puts paid
    to the whole notion that there was some meaningful threat from the union.

  25. mac1 25

    There was a second paragraph in the Herald article worth noting.

    “And ministers who felt that there was no need to change labour laws for the filming of The Hobbit yesterday said they could not recall why they went ahead and changed them.”

    Another brain fade for the list.

  26. Rich 26

    Simple. Don’t let Tories vote.

  27. xtasy 27

    Was it Pinocchio who had a long nose, and was it also not a long nose attributed to those liberal with the truth? Whatever, it was no co-incidence, that even Gerry Brownlee commented on the rather big nose of Key in the Backbencher’s Pub in Wellington last night, it might ring some truth with it.

    Nose knows all about nose, I suppose, so yes, we have a gradual lifting of the mist above the lies and manipulations of NZ’s most corrupted, dishonest and manipulative government for decades.

    More will come out soon, and I am working on it myself. I have some delightful bits of information, and reliable sources, and there are complaints being handled at high levels.

    So wait on, take care, this bit of a “win” before the Supreme Court on the Maori Council’s challenge on water rights may make Key and gang feel a bit “high” and in party mood, just wait for what will come. You guys there will be held to account and there are many that know how rotten and dishonest this lot is, that runs NZ at present.

  28. weizguy 28

    I find this entire thread pretty disturbing. I understand many of the contributors have formed their opinion on this issue. However, I don’t understand why, instead of engaging with what appears to be a fairly reasonably held differing position, some contributors are simply casting abuse, making claims of “shill” and “troll” and then banning what appears to be the only person who can be bothered attempting to provide an alternative voice.

    I used to enjoy reading the comments here, because there are (and were) people who were interested in debate. I don’t see that anymore. It’s no sewer, but there doesn’t seem to be much tolerance for alternative views.

    It’s not my place to tell the writers of The Standard what to do, so I won’t. I’ll just say that for me, The Standard was better in the past, and I hope it can turn itself around.

    • framu 28.1

      i dont know weizguy – sure i havent read all of ERs comments (there IS a lot of them and they are very long)
      But he/she does seem to be engaging in a deliberate campaign of ignoring what others are saying and constantly shifting the goalposts. A lot of the language seems pretty passive aggressive to me.

      Also – they are all over this one subject with quite a bit of vigour and havent commented here before – if it quacks like a duck and all

      so ERs treatment is pretty expected based on the way they are commenting

      Theres also plenty of people who engage in quite civil debates yet hold different views here – even gosman gets treated fairly politely, even though everyone pretty much knows hes just here to shit stir

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    Is the world really de-industrialising? by Michael Roberts Last week I spoke on a panel that debated De-industrialisation and socialism.  The panel was organised by Spring, a Manchester-based group in England that has become a forum for the discussion of...
    Redline | 24-10
  • De-industrialisation and the prospects for socialism
    Is the world really de-industrialising? by Michael Roberts Last week I spoke on a panel that debated De-industrialisation and socialism.  The panel was organised by Spring, a Manchester-based group in England that has become a forum for the discussion of...
    Redline | 24-10
  • Looking back with pride – Maryan Street
    Maryan Street joined the Labour Party in 1984, was President from 1995-1997 and became an MP in 2005. She talked to Labour Voices about her Labour journey and the people, events and achievements she recalls with the greatest pride....
    Labour campaign | 24-10
  • Strong and comprehensive
    DEVELOPING “a very strong and comprehensive” Women’s Affairs policy going into the 2014 election is one of the achievements Carol Beaumont is most proud of. And being unable to implement it one of her regrets....
    Labour campaign | 24-10
  • Christchurch’s rebuild should be decided by Christchurch, not Welling...
    Radio New Zealand has an appalling story this morning about the government's interference in the Christchurch rebuild over the new District Plan. Normally district plans are decided by elected local councils accountable to the voters who will live under them....
    No Right Turn | 24-10
  • Turning a blind eye to corruption
    As we are constantly reminded, New Zealand consistently leads the Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index as the "least corrupt country in the world". And as we are increasingly becoming aware, that reputation may be undeserved. Today there's another nail in...
    No Right Turn | 23-10
  • Police Association off target with call to arm Police
    Arming our Police will lead to more crime, more violence, and more killings – by criminals, and potentially even by police. The Police Commissioner is correct in pointing out that the Police Association’s recent call to arm all officers is...
    frogblog | 23-10
  • Political interference at Maori Television
    A government-owned television channel arranges an interview with a former opposition MP, but the government-appointed CEO spikes it. Something from Russia or Cuba maybe? No - according to Hone Harawira its happening right here in New Zealand:“[Maori TV CEO Paora]...
    No Right Turn | 23-10
  • September 14 Patronage
    Auckland’s Transport’s patronage results for September are now out and they show that the city is experiencing spectacular PT growth, growth which is also setting a number of records. The big news was earlier in the week was that when it was announced...
    Transport Blog | 23-10
  • Maiden speech – Jenny Salesa
    Jenny Salesa, Labour MP for Manukau East, has given her Maiden Speech in Parliament....
    Labour campaign | 23-10
  • Maiden speech – Adrian Rurawhe
    Adrian Rurawhe, Labour MP for Te Tai Hauāuru, has given his Maiden Speech in Parliament....
    Labour campaign | 23-10
  • Roastbusters, one year on (almost)
    March in Wellington against rape culture, from Stuff.co.nz Content warning: contains discussion of rape and sexual assault You can literally get away with rape in this country. You can be a serial rapist, with photographic and video evidence you willingly...
    On the Left | 23-10
  • Labour Needs To Stop Saying What People DON”T want to hear.
    A Freight Train called Key: On election night 1975 Bill Rowling said Muldoon's landslide victory felt like being hit by a bus. Oh what David Cunliffe would have given for that bus on 20 September 2014!THE ANGUISH of Labour supporters...
    Bowalley Road | 23-10
  • And if you have to carry a gun to keep your fragile seat at number one R...
    What happened at Canada's war memorial and parliamentary buildings is a pretty bad thing. It should, however, be kept in some sort of perspective. ...
    Pundit | 23-10
  • Beware the sucker ploy.
    A few years back I wrote about the strategic utility of terrorism. One thing I did not mention in that post was the use of a tried and true guerrilla tactic as part of the terrorist arsenal: the sucker ploy....
    Kiwipolitico | 23-10
  • Hard News: Friday Music: An accompanied korero
    I'm chairing the LATE at the Museum event next month, under the title The Age of Slacktivism. We've picked a strong lineup -- Nicky Hager, Matthew Hooton, Marianne Elliot, Laura O'Connell Rapira -- and it should be a rousing hour's...
    Public Address | 23-10
  • 6 amazing renewable energy projects that we love
    Here's a few renewable energy projects from around the world -- ones that we totally love.1. Germany has invested big in solar and wind. And in the first six months of 2012, the amount of electricity produced using renewables jumped from...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 23-10
  • China’s coal use actually falling now (for the first time this centur...
    Coal use in China is falling this year - according to official data reported in the Chinese press.It is the first time this century that China has seen year on year quarterly falls in coal use. The Chinese economy continues to grow...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 23-10
  • Can new roads pay for themselves?
    It’s common to hear people say that because roads are paid for by their users (fn 1), we should build more roads. After all, the new roads will fund themselves! At first glance, this seems convincing. But a closer look...
    Transport Blog | 23-10
  • As a nation drowned in the PM’s lies, sons & daughters were sent to d...
      As a nation drowned in the PM’s lies Sons & daughters were sent to die Meanwhile at home democracy cried But his government crowed Everything’s fine.   Other peoples’ children signed up for his war While at home in comfort...
    Politically Corrected | 23-10
  • Why I am on the left
    (For our opening week, we asked all our contributors to think about why they’re On The Left, and what the next three years holds for the left, the government, and New Zealand.) Post by Jem I am left first and...
    On the Left | 23-10
  • Minister to attend TPP Ministers’ Meeting
    Press Release – New Zealand Government Trade Minister Tim Groser will depart today for Sydney to join Ministers from countries participating in the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) for the next round of negotiations.Hon Tim Groser Minister of Trade 24 October 2014...
    Its our future | 23-10
  • On The Nation this weekend
    Press Release – The Nation This weekend on The Nation with dairy prices falling, China growing its agriculture sector, and the environmental costs piling up, we ask the Fonterra chief executive Theo Spierings if New Zealand is too dependent on...
    Its our future | 23-10
  • Agri-Food Producers Call for Strong Outcomes through the TPP
    Press Release – Federated Farmers International Agricultural and Agri-Food Producers Call for Strong Outcomes through the TPP At the round of Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations taking place this week in Australia, agri-food producer and processor groups from Canada, Australia …International...
    Its our future | 23-10
  • Grant Robertson is not as much like Joseph Stalin as some would have you th...
    It’s not often you see a New Zealand political figure compared favourably to Stalin, but this is what Chris Trotter has done to that decidedly non-genocidal non-lunatic Grant Robertson.  ...
    Pundit | 23-10
  • National’s failed commodities export strategy exposed
    National's strategy to rely on commodities such as milk powder and logs has been exposed in the September trade figures released today, the Green Party said."National's strategy to hang all economic hope on exporting ever-increasing volumes of milk powder and...
    Greens | 23-10
  • Caution needed on calls to arm police
    There is no justification for routinely arming our police and doing so would change forever the way officers interact with their communities, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “As one of the few organisations distinguished by its unarmed status,...
    Labour | 23-10
  • Govt strains to get tea break law through
    The Government has been left with egg on its face - failing to get its much-vaunted, but hugely unpopular, meal break law passed in the first week of its new term, Labour spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.“National desperately...
    Labour | 23-10
  • How low can you go? Mining the depths
    The company says there will be economic benefits, which the EEZ Act says the EPA must consider, but even these benefits are in doubt. The royalties while not set will be tiny, the profits will flow offshore, and whatever phosphate...
    Greens | 23-10
  • Fed Farmers defend GE Agriculture
    Federated Farmers, which represents a minority of farmers, appears to be captured by a pro-GE clique hell bent on increasing unsustainable technologies for the benefit of the herbicide and patent controlling seed companies. That there are better more sustainable farming...
    Greens | 23-10
  • Government loses the affordable housing race
    Nick Smith is dreaming if he thinks he can deliver affordable housing to Cantabrians on his current figures, says Labour’s Associate Housing spokesperson Poto Williams. “The Minister’s announcement that the Government will build 237 new homes, most of which will...
    Labour | 23-10
  • Labour’s thoughts with Canadians
    Labour has offered its sympathies to the family and friends of the Canadian soldier who died in what appears to be a premeditated and unprovoked attack while standing at guard at the Ottawa National War Memorial. “Our thoughts are also...
    Labour | 23-10
  • What next for TVNZ? Outsourcing the news?
    Television New Zealand’s decision to outsource Māori and Pacific programming is a real blow to the notion that our state broadcaster is a public broadcaster, says Labour. “CEO Kevin Kenrick has said today that TVNZ has ‘a very long and...
    Labour | 22-10
  • Green Party expresses sympathy for Canadian shooting victims
    The Green Party expressed its solidarity with Canadians and the Canadian Parliament today, offering its sympathy for family and friends of the soldier killed in the attack. "Our thoughts are with all those caught up in the shooting in Canada...
    Greens | 22-10
  • Prime Minister must honour his promise
    It’s time for John Key to honour his promise to the Pike River families, says Labour MP Damien O’Connor.  “International mine experts have confirmed the view of WorkSafe New Zealand and many miners on the West Coast that it is...
    Labour | 22-10
  • Kevin Hague questions the Minister of Health about Katherine Rich’s c...
    KEVIN HAGUE to the Minister of Health : Is he satisfied that there is no conflict of interest in the head of the Food and Grocery Council, Katherine Rich, being a board member of the Health Promotion Agency; if so,...
    Greens | 22-10
  • Kennedy Graham to the Prime Minister on the Deployment of New Zealand Speci...
    Dr KENNEDY GRAHAM to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by his statement that the risks to New Zealand from any commitment of military assistance to counter Islamic State militants in Iraq would be "no greater than I think the...
    Greens | 22-10
  • EPA finds Shell Oil illegally drilled two wells
    The Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) has concluded that Shell Todd Oil Services (STOS) broke the law by drilling two wells without a marine consent off the coast of Taranaki, the Green Party said today. The EPA conducted an inspection of...
    Greens | 22-10
  • Soaring rail use in Auckland shows need for rail link now
    News that Aucklanders overtook Wellingtonians as the biggest train users is further evidence the Government needs to start work on the Auckland City Rail Link now, the Green Party said today.Auckland Transport said today that in the year to September,...
    Greens | 22-10
  • Tea breaks gone by lunch time
    Labour is calling for an eleventh hour reprieve to employment law changes which could see thousands of Kiwi workers not covered by collective agreements lose their smoko breaks, its spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.“How cynical that on the...
    Labour | 21-10
  • Metiria Turei to lead fight on feeding hungry children
    Green Party Co-leader Metiria Turei is urging all political parties to support the Feed the Kids Bill which she inherited today from Mana leader Hone Harawira.Mrs Turei, who leads the Green Party's work on child poverty, will pick up Mr...
    Greens | 21-10
  • Otago dairy farms fail basics
    I’m really privileged to take on the responsibility of the water portfolio. Eugenie Sage has done excellent work in this area in the last term of parliament and provided a great platform for further work. Last Parliament my bill to...
    Greens | 21-10
  • A mighty totara has fallen across the Tasman
    The New Zealand Labour Party expresses deep sadness at the death of former Australian prime minister Gough Whitlam, aged 98. “Today a great totara has fallen across the Tasman,” Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says....
    Labour | 21-10
  • Note to National: Must deliver on child poverty
    John Key and his Government will be held to its promise to make child poverty a priority, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “In its priority-setting speech today the Government stated child poverty would be a major focus for...
    Labour | 21-10
  • New Analysis show Government cut tertiary education funding
    New analysis done by the Green Party today shows the Government has made cuts to funding of tertiary education since 2008.Figures compiled by the Parliamentary Library show that between 2009 and 2015 Government funding to Tertiary Institutions dropped by 4...
    Greens | 21-10
  • Students doing it tough as fees rise again
    The Government is making it increasingly difficult for Kiwis to gain tertiary education as fees continue to rise and access to student support becomes even more restricted, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Steven Joyce is shutting a generation...
    Labour | 20-10
  • Key misled New Zealand on Iraq deployment
      John Key was misleading New Zealanders prior to the election when he ruled out New Zealand special forces being deployed to Iraq, says Labour Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff.  “Post-election he has cynically disregarded that by saying that deployment of...
    Labour | 20-10
  • Swearing about swearing the oath
    Yesterday, I was swearing. Swearing the Parliamentary oath, that is. But, under my breath, I was also quietly swearing about the archaic, colonial form of that oath and its inappropriateness for today’s Aotearoa New Zealand. To be permitted to speak...
    Greens | 20-10
  • Kevin Hague speaks in the 2014 Address and Reply debate
    Thank you very much, Mr Deputy Speaker, and, like others, can I begin my contribution by congratulating you and the others in the Speaker's team: the Rt Hon David Carter, Lindsay Tisch, and the Hon Trevor Mallard. I also want...
    Greens | 20-10
  • Damning report on Ruataniwha dam numbers
    When I presented my submission to the Board of Inquiry on the Tukituki Catchment Proposal I compared the proposed 83 metre high Ruataniwha dam with the Clyde Dam and noted the risk of cost blowouts in the construction process.  The...
    Greens | 20-10
  • Church congratulated on child poverty stand
    The efforts by the bishops of the Anglican Church to ensure that the issue of child poverty is not forgotten is a call to all New Zealanders to take action, says Labour’s Interfaith-Dialogue Spokesperson, Su’a William Sio.   “I think...
    Labour | 19-10
  • Labour names Review Team
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has appointed Bryan Gould as Convenor of its post-General Election Review.  He will be joined on the Review Team by Hon Margaret Wilson, Stacey Morrison and Brian Corban (see further biographical details here). The Review Team...
    Labour | 19-10
  • Labour backs urban development plans
    Auckland Council’s plan to set up an urban development agency is to be applauded and central government should get behind it to make it a success, Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford says. Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town has indicated plans...
    Labour | 18-10
  • New Zealand can be rightly proud of seat on Security Council
    Gaining a seat on the United Nation’s Security Council shows the sort of standing that New Zealand has in the world and the quality of the long campaign that we ran over nearly a decade, says Foreign Affairs spokesperson David...
    Labour | 16-10
  • NZ has opportunity on UN Security Council
    New Zealand has an opportunity to make a major contribution to the strengthening of international law and institutional capacity through its upcoming two-year tenure on the United Nations Security Council, Green Party spokesperson on global affairs, Dr Kennedy Graham said...
    Greens | 16-10
  • MPI still dragging the chain over causes of food bug
    The Ministry of Primary Industries’ release of Environmental Science and Research’s initial reports regarding the sources of a nasty stomach bug will be little comfort to the 127 people affected by it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “This...
    Labour | 16-10
  • Treasury officials should try working without food
    The Green Party is challenging Treasury officials to work for a week without eating properly, in light of their advice to Government that a food in schools programme is not needed."Treasury's advice was that providing food for children in schools...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Councils need to better protect our drinking water
    Environment Canterbury (ECan) is proposing several variations to its regional land and water plan that will allow for increased nutrient and other pollution from irrigation and intensive agriculture on the Canterbury Plains. Commissioners are hearing submissions on Variation 1 to...
    Greens | 15-10
  • National needs to commit to making NZ workers safe
    The National Government must do more to help make New Zealand workplaces a safer place to work in, Green Party industrial relations spokesperson Denise Roche said today.Data released by Statistics New Zealand today showed that workers in the fishing and...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Key commits to deployment before consultation or analysis
    John Key’s offer to consult Opposition parties on whether to deploy New Zealand forces against ISIS looks increasingly like a PR exercise only, says Labour’s Defence spokesperson, Phil Goff. “The presence of New Zealand’s Chief of Defence Force at a...
    Labour | 15-10
  • National must end ideological opposition to raising income
    If John Key is serious about tackling child poverty he must approach it with an open mind, and overcome his ideological block to raising incomes as a solution, the Green Party said today.Papers released to Radio New Zealand today show...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Pentagon links climate change and terrorism
    Yesterday the Pentagon launched a plan to deal with a threat that “poses immediate risks to national security”; one that “will affect the Department of Defense’s ability to defend the nation”. It wasn’t referring to Ebola or ISIS. It was...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Four Nominees for Labour’s Leadership
    As at 5pm today four valid nominations had been received for the position of Labour Leader, as follows: Andrew Little(nominated by Poto Williams and Iain Lees-Galloway) Nanaia Mahuta(nominated by Louisa Wall and Su’a William Sio) David Parker(nominated by Damien O’Connor...
    Labour | 14-10
  • Green Party calls for consultation over terrorism law changes
    The Green Party has today written to the Prime Minister asking him to engage in wider consultation prior to changing any laws as a result of the recently announced terrorism law reviews, said the Green Party today. In a letter...
    Greens | 14-10
  • MPI must name product and supermarket chain
    The Ministry of Primary Industries must name the product responsible for severe gastroenteritis affecting people around the country, and the supermarket chain distributing it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “The Ministry seems to be more concerned about protecting...
    Labour | 13-10
  • John Key dishonest about reasons for wanting to change terrorism law
    John Key is misleading the public to push through terrorism law changes under urgency, the Green Party said today. On Sunday, John Key stated that it is not illegal for someone to fight overseas for a terrorist group, such as...
    Greens | 12-10
  • Law changes shaping up to be worse than first thought
    The Prime Minister needs to be up front about exactly what changes he is planning to make to the Employment Relations  Amendment Bill, Labour's spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.Interviewed on Q&A yesterday John Key said he did not...
    Labour | 12-10
  • Rapists, not Tinder, the threat to women
    Blame for rape and sexual assault should only ever be laid at the door of the perpetrator, not dating services or the actions of women themselves, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “Tinder is not the problem and women...
    Labour | 09-10
  • Safer Journeys For People Who Cycle
    You have a rare opportunity to tell the people who are making the decisions on cycling how to make it better. The Cycling Safety Panel is seeking feedback on their draft recommendations for improving the safety of cycling in New...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Subsidising more pollution will undermine water clean-up plan at Te Waihora...
    In 2010, NIWA found Canterbury’s Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere had the worst nutrient status of 140 lakes around New Zealand that it measured. In 2011, the National Government committed to spending $15 million across the country through the Fresh Start for...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Adding value not herbicides
    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • The instant Jihad syndrome
    My favourite new term is ‘self-radicalised’ – it suggests the reasons for terrorism are totally divorced from the actions of the West. This need to suddenly ramp up terror laws because of lone wolf, self-radicalised Jihadists seems convenient and counter-productive....
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • We have nothing to fear from Ebola but fear itself
    I suspect most Americans perceive Ebola like this   I can’t work out if the fear being spread within the media about Ebola is deliberate or just ignorance. Yes Ebola is a terrible plague that kills a large percentage of...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – “Meritocracy? I wish.”
    I’d like to start by linking to a post I had published at another site in support of Nanaia Mahuta for the Labour Party leadership election.  She has a reasonable chance, given that she already has the endorsement of Te...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Chocolate milk shortage and creepy Santa? Let’s talk about real news
    Child poverty is still a scarily serious problem in this country and house prices are soaring through the roof to the point where it is simply impossible for the average New Zealander to buy a home. There is also little...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • It’s time to celebrate Kiwi schools and teachers
    Some would have you believe that New Zealand’s schools are in a state of collapse, that your children are not being educated well and that things are going to hell in a hand basket.  That there is no innovation, no...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Ideological Blitzkrieg – Privatization of state housing, more charter sch...
    Pundits in pundit land will tell you that this Government is boring, that Key is the great pragmatist and that it is his ability to create elegant solutions that keeps him the firm favourite in many Kiwi eyes. This ability...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • Hegemony rules but resistance is fertile
    The Prime Minister is a puppet. Not just our current Prime Minister, but given the forces of multinational globalisation, the role of any head of state, is less as independent actor, and more as a puppet of international trends and...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • An open Letter to Sir Bob Jones: demanding a ‘liveable wage’ is not “...
    How out of touch with reality is Sir Bob Jones? You know, that white dude who invested in privatised SOEs after the selling off of our assets in the eighties and made a ludicrous and disgusting amount of money and is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • My insecurity about the Security Council
    As I write this (on 24 October) it is international UN Day. Of course, you all knew that already, right? Well, the day celebrates the entry into force of the UN Charter in 1945. With the ratification of this founding...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Back in That House
    Parliament opened this week and I still find it a very odd place. Most of the people are reasonably courteous and friendly, but the rituals are archaic and the rules around issues like the swearing in oath are oppressive and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Marae Investigates No More
    TVNZ yesterday announced the closure of their Māori and Pacific programmes department. That means they’ve chosen to stop making Fresh, Tagata Pasifika, Waka Huia and Marae Investigates to let independent producers get their hands on these lucrative contracts. This is...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • BLOGWATCH: An Un-Civil War in Labour, eh?
    Earlier today, my attention was directed to an entry that’s just recently appeared on the Slightly Left of Centre blog. It purports to contain the ‘inside word’ from a highly placed NZF source – which is funny, because I’m pretty sure...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Santanomics 101
    Santanomics could mean a number of things. It could be the study and practice of giving. Or it could mean the study and practice of rampant end-of-year commercialism. However, for me today it is the economics of erectingAuckland’s giant Santa...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • SkyCity boss misleads public over workers lost shifts
    SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison has defended the employment practices at his company in an “Opinion” piece entitled “Human Capital key to corporate success” in the NZ Herald on Thursday. A number of his claims are misleading, contain only partial truths...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Review: Perfect Place
    I went to a Perfect Place on Tuesday night, and what a delight it was. The marshmallows sweetly (and forcefully) handed out pre-show, set the tone for the next hour. Walking up the stairs at The Basement was a complete...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • 5AA Australia – NZ on UN Security Council + Dirty Politics Lingers On
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey deliver their weekly bulletin Across The Ditch. General round up of over night talkback issues: Thongs, Jandals and flip-flops… ISSUE 1: New Zealand has been successful in its campaign to become a non...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • When I mean me, I mean my office & when I call whaleoil I mean not as m...
    This. Is. Ludicrous. Green Party co-leader Russel Norman put the first of what are likely to be many questions about Mr Key’s relationship with Slater, asking him how many times he had phoned or texted the blogger since 2008. “None...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • A brief word on describing the Government as ‘boring and bland’
    The narrative being sown is that this Government will be a boring and bland third term. Boring and bland. Since the election, Key has announced he is privatising 30% of state houses without reinvesting any of that money back into housing society’s most...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • More Latté Than Lager: Reflections on Grant Robertson’s Campaign Launch.
    BIKERS? SERIOUSLY! Had Grant Robertson’s campaign launch been organised by Phil Goff? Was this a pitch for the votes of what few Waitakere Men remain in the Labour Party? Was I even at the right place? Well, yes, I was....
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • About Curwen Ares Rolinson
    Curwen Ares Rolinson – Curwen Ares Rolinson is a firebrand young nationalist presently engaged in acts of political resistance deep behind enemy lines amidst the leafy boughs of Epsom. He is affiliated with the New Zealand First Party; although his...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kelly Ellis
    Kelly Ellis.Kelly Ellis – As a child, Kelly Ellis didn’t so much fall into the cracks, but willfully wriggled her way into them. Ejected from Onslow College – a big job in the 70s – Kelly worked in car factories,...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kate Davis
    Kate Davis.Kate Davis – Having completed her BA in English and Politics, Kate is now starting her MA. Kate works as a volunteer advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty and previously worked for the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Kate writes...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Parker does a Shearer – oh for a Labour Leader who can challenge msm fals...
    Sigh. It seems David Parker has done a Shearer… Like a cult and too red – Parker on LabourLabour leadership contender David Parker says Labour borders on feeling like “a cult” and must look at its branding – including its...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • A brief word on the hundreds of millions NZ is spending on the secret intel...
    The enormity of the mass surveillance state NZ Government’s have built carries a huge price tag… Kiwis pay $103m ‘membership fee’ for spyingThe $103 million taxpayer funding of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies is effectively a membership fee for joining the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Where. Is. Jason. Ede?
    Where. Is. Jason. Ede?...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Labour’s Din of Inequity
    Watching Labour’s leadership candidates on Q+A on Sunday, I noticed the ongoing use of terms like “opportunity” and “aspiration”, and “party of the workers”. What do these mean? We glean much from Labour, and from the media about Labour, but not...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • “Blue-Greenwash” fails the test when it comes to endangered dolphins
    National’s pre-election promises saw some wins for the environment – perhaps as the party sought to appease its “Blue-Green” voters and broaden its popular appeal. Some of the ecological gains were a long time in the making, overdue even– such...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Reasons not to be cheerful, Part #272b
    Why don’t you get back into bed? The next few years — the rest of this century — are not going to be pretty. There is an obvious disconnect between any remaining political ambition to fix climate change and the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Pike River Families Group Press Release
    The Families can now but hope that Solid Energy will consider closely the response of the Families’ expert mining advisers, Bob Stevenson and Dave Creedy, and the independent legal advice by Hugh Rennie QC as to why re-entry to the...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • On The Nation this weekend
    This weekend on The Nation… with dairy prices falling, China growing its agriculture sector, and the environmental costs piling up, we ask the Fonterra chief executive Theo Spierings if New Zealand is too dependent on milk powder and if we’ve...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • NZ Government Urged to Do More to Fight Ebola
    As Ebola continues to tear through West Africa, Save the Children NZ is urging the government to do more in the fight against the deadly virus....
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • Korero Mai Ki Ahau – Saturday 25 & Sunday 26 October 2014
    Broadcast on Waatea 603AM Saturday 12.00 - 12.30pm Sunday 12.00 - 12.30pm Both shows repeated 5.00pm – 6.00pm On Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • Putting whānau foremost in Family Dispute Resolution
    Dispute resolution company, FairWay Resolution, has developed a uniquely New Zealand approach to family dispute resolution (FDR) that is underpinned by the cultural needs and values of the parties to a family dispute. In support of its role as a...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • Anglican Family Care staff to rally industrial action rises
    Public Service Association (PSA) members working at Anglican Family Care (AFC) in Dunedin will hold two rallies in Dunedin next week as they seek a fair pay offer, following a week of low-key industrial action....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Flying Visit for Adventuring Kiwi Socialpreneur
    12 Months on, this former Alexandra barista is changing lives in Buenos Aires Slums with free lunches, music, art, drama and toothbrushes...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • March in Solidarity with Kurdistan Against ISIS Attacks
    The New Zealand Kurdish Community will march in solidarity with Kurdistan in light of the heinous genocidal attacks in Kobanê by ISIS. We will begin with silent demonstrations then commence marching. We will start from Britomart, Queen Street (outside Dick...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • No Problem for Henare & Jones, But “No Way” for Harawira
    “Just before the election I broke the story about the gutting of Maori Television’s News and Current Affairs department by MTS’ new CEO Paora Maxwell. I pointed out that Carol Hirschfeld and Julian Wilcox, two of the country’s most experienced...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Corruption: Positive developments for NZ but more to be done
    Global anti-corruption group Transparency International today released a report on OECD Anti-Bribery Convention enforcement and called for New Zealand to implement draft legislation to ratify the United Nations Convention against Corruption....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Government to Blame as Much as Council for Marryatt Payout
    The Taxpayers' Union is calling on the Government to fix the employment law regime that has forced Christchurch ratepayers to fork out $800,000 to former Council boss Tony Marryatt....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Unanimously Call for Commissioner to Arm Police Full Time
    In the wake of a series of recent armed offender incidents, delegates to the Police Association Annual Conference today called unanimously on the Commissioner to arm Police full time....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Bank gets behind NZ wildlife icon with sizable donation
    It will be easier than ever this summer for holiday-markers to dip into their pockets to support the yellow-eyed penguin....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • WorkSafe report raises concerns about asbestos
    The union representing construction workers in the Canterbury rebuild is surprised at WorkSafe’s conclusion that no action needs to be taken against EQC and Fletcher EQR over asbestos exposure in Canterbury homes. “This report was an opportunity...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Union accuses SkyCity CEO of misleading public
    Unite Union has accused SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison of misleading the public over the cut in hours for a staff member who raised the issue at the company's AGM....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Last Hurrah on the Taxpayer
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Hone Harawira spent up $54,000 on the taxpayer in his last three months as an MP, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “It is absolutely disgraceful that an MP managed to rack...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Press statement in relation to search of Nicky Hager’s home
    On 2 October 2014, Nicky Hager's home in Wellington was searched by police. Mr Hager asserted that documents kept at his house were protected by privilege, including because they contained information that might identify confidential sources....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • The Sam Simon arrives into Auckland for new campaign
    This morning Sea Shepherd ship, the Sam Simon, arrived into Auckland harbour after its journey from Melbourne. The ship and its 25 crew from around the globe have come to New Zealand to source supplies and prepare for the upcoming...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Low inflation – time for meaningful wage increases
    With inflation low, now is a good time for workers to negotiate for pay increases that outstrip price rises and deliver real increases in wages and salaries. “For too many people, real pay increases have been missing for several years...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Auckland Rates Rises Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Auckland ratepayers will face an average of a 29 percent rates increase, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “These rate rises show that Len Brown's spending is out of control.”...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Protest at New Plymouth Oil and Gas Expo
    About 30 protesters from Climate Justice Taranaki, Frack-free Kapiti, Te Uru Pounamu Action Group, Oil Free Wellington, Frack-free Manawatu and the east coast protested yesterday outside New Plymouth's biennial Oil and Gas Expo at the TSB Stadium....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • FMA warns consumers about cold-calling investment offers
    The Financial Markets Authority (FMA) is warning New Zealand consumers and investors to be wary of cold-calls asking them to buy shares or put their money into offshore firms....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Comprehensive plan needed to end child poverty
    Child Poverty Action Group says it is vital the newly re-elected National government takes a planned and comprehensive approach to reducing child poverty in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Metiria Gets Feed the Kids
    Yesterday the Speaker of the House advised that he had accepted my request to transfer my Feed the Kids (Education (Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools) Amendment) Bill to Metiria Turei of the Green Party....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • DIA undercover investigation leads to jailing
    An undercover Internal Affairs investigation has led to a Hastings man being jailed for three and half years....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of Balibo Five
    Media Information: Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of journalist Gary Cunningham and the Balibo Five...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Australia and NZ actions on press freedoms alarming
    Global support for investigative journalism in Australia and New Zealand is a welcome response to law changes and a police raid, says the Pacific Freedom Forum...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call for release of French journalists in West Papua
    West Papua Action Auckland, the EPMU Print and Media Council and the NZ Media Freedom Network call on the Minister of Foreign Affairs to speak out in support of the two French TV journalists whose trial has just begun in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Court of Appeal: Dotcom v 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
    A The appeal is dismissed. B The 20 August 2014 order of the High Court dealing with confidentiality and the 29 August 2014 order of this Court dealing with confidentiality are set aside. C The confidentiality orders set out in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Glassons Blasted For Glamourising Animal Cruelty
    Clothing brand Glassons have found themselves embroiled in another controversy after launching a new advert featuring a girl riding a bull. Animal advocacy organisation SAFE have asked them to remove the ad immediately as it glamourises animal cruelty....
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet
    Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet Federated Farmers Bee Industry Group applauds the tough line taken by Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) Border Staff at Auckland Airport. In deporting the couple found trying to smuggle bee products...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Taxpayers’ Union Responds to Joyce on Corporate Welfare
    Responding to Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce’s defence of corporate welfare , Jim Rose, the author of Monopoly Money , a Taxpayers Union report on corporate welfare since 2008, says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
    “The fossil fuel industry is the biggest threat to our very existence as Pacific Islanders. We stand to lose our homes, our communities and our culture. But we are fighting back. This coming Friday thirty Pacific Climate Warriors, joined by...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
    Simple steps could dramatically reduce the number of accidents involving tourists, says the car review website dogandlemon.com ....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
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