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Lies and sanctions

Written By: - Date published: 8:58 am, February 27th, 2013 - 219 comments
Categories: accountability, john key, national, scoundrels - Tags: , , ,

What are we as citizens to do when a government deliberately and shamelessly lies to us? Because it’s now clear that that is what the Nats have done, as even The Herald reports:

The Hobbit documents released: Govt knew union ban lifted

The Government was aware that a union-imposed boycott on Sir Peter Jackson’s film The Hobbit had been lifted, but continued to insist that it was in place, official documents released yesterday showed.

They knew the ban was lifted. They continued to insist it was in place. Lying lying liars.

I’m angry.

As far as I am aware we citizens have no ability to sanction a government that lies to us, other than the three year electoral cycle (which politicians want to extend to four years). It doesn’t seem like enough. Apart from elections – what can we do now?

Looking to the future, what changes would you propose to our political system to allow the public to sanction a government? How can we stop this kind of barefaced lying from happening again?

219 comments on “Lies and sanctions”

  1. vto 1

    Good to see you’re angry r0b. I am angry too as I’m sure many have noticed from the tone of many of mine posts. Angry at the constant lies – Ecan, red zone policy, it just goes on and on.

    There are several steps available such as civil disobedience (ramping up in the Chch rebuild with many giving the middle finger to authority). But one that really would put the cat amongst the pigeons is some sort of High Court action.

    What they are doing amounts to fraud. The government (not Parliament) is surely accountable under its own laws.

    High Court action. Get it in there, and lots of it. Ramp it right up in their faces.

  2. Stand by as Gosman and a bunch of new posters appear and argue about everything except the fact that we have been lied to over the Hobbit.

    • Exactly Mickeysavage, the right wing ningcompoops will fly into to the honey pot and
      retreat with sticky faces,or fingers on the keyboards.
      Key’s corrupt govt is one law for him and his ilk and another for the rest of us.
      I have no interest in the films that jackson makes, the titles of sir etc, mean nothing,
      are nothing, but massaging over inflated ego’s.

      S = Sorry
      I = I lied
      R = Repent.

      But he won’t because of the the attitude of entitlement, (you give, i take)
      Helen Kelley deserves a public appology, at least.

      • Colonial Viper 2.1.1

        Steal $50 from WINZ you go to jail

        Steal $50M from the tax payer and NZ workers, get a knighthood.

  3. johnm 3

    Lying to the people who put them in power:
    An economy of well paid conceited and arrogant chiefs, but declining numbers of braves and the remaining braves getting shafted by the chiefs. Not a happy tribe with a good future. :-(
    The well orf sector of NZ society believes lying to be a market and business ploy, they won’t be losing any sleep over a minor thing like that. Rentiers and Landlords and Finance privateers Key reflects them.

  4. Blue 4

    Kiwis don’t actually mind being lied to. John Key has lied over and over and over again, and the high poll ratings still keep rolling in.

    New Zealanders have demonstrated that lying is not a deal-breaker, so have emboldened Key and National to keep doing it.

    • Dr Terry 4.1

      Anthony asks “Looking to the future, what changes would you propose to our political system to allow the public to sanction a government?”

      I think we have to go right back to square one. Weigh up and explore very carefully the skills and qualifications of a possible candidate for political leadership, not just taking his or her own word for it! Secondly, but no less important, very carefully look into the personal character and qualities of an applicant. For example, let it be made quite clear that lying is still considered unethical and unacceptable. Has the person “what it takes” to be honest with us? That would not cause him or her to lose face, more likely to gain respect from the public.

      Just a couple of quick thoughts!

      • Colonial Viper 4.1.1

        The current system of political parties is broken. Exacerbated by a broken MSM.

        And unfortunately, what the list system in mmp has done is made MPs increasingly unaccountable to their local communities: their loyalty and accountability sits mainly with a dozen or so party and caucus chiefs.

        • Arfamo 4.1.1.1

          Every other comparable democracy to NZ’s has a second house that provides at least some safeguard against the ramming through of bad, flawed or socially or economically corrosive legislation. We have a system that allows any majority party or coalition to ram through bad legislation pretty much at will.

          • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.1.1

            Second house is no answer

            How has a second house prevented theft from the people in the UK or in the USA?

            • Arfamo 4.1.1.1.1.1

              Fair point. It didn’t. And the likelihood is that any second house here would end up stacked with those of the 1%.

    • Remember polls are only done on land lines, Perhaps only National voters have land lines and that’s why JK is still high in the polls.

  5. higherstandard 5

    Good on Jackson and the government for ensuring these films went ahead and were made in NZ.

    It is a pity that a similar pragmatism wasn’t displayed with such things as the rail carriages which could and should have been made in Dunedin and the broad band cabling which instead of being given to the swedes by telecom could and should have gone to a NZ supplier.

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      The common denominator in all of the above are National lies which favoured foreign capital instead of NZ workers.

      • higherstandard 5.1.1

        Really, I thought the common denominator was various meddling, ineptness, sloth, ignorance.

        In the case of the Tolkien movies I applaud the government in ensuring they got made here, in the case of the other two examples I castigate them from not ensuring the same.

      • Epping Road 5.1.2

        Yeah those export dollars are a terrible thing. We should ban them. Works in North Korea doesn’t it.

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1

          Well, John Key is exporting tax payers dollars to Hollywood, if that’s what you mean.

          BTW after Fiji and North Korea examples you should also use:
          – Zimbabwe
          – Burma
          – Iran
          – Soviet Union
          – Communist China

          in your next few comments

          Let’s see if you can get the crony dictatorship trifecta

          • Epping Road 5.1.2.1.1

            How is JK exporting dollars to Hollywood? Gawd why am I even engaging with you, you’re a troll.

            • Draco T Bastard 5.1.2.1.1.1

              How is JK exporting dollars to Hollywood?

              That would be the extra subsidies that he gave to Warner Bros.

            • McFlock 5.1.2.1.1.2

              wow.

              Seriously? You turn up a couple of days ago full of vim and vigour, spouting old nact lies and generally bludgeoning the common usage of the English language simply to defend Key and Jackson, and accuse others of being trooolls?

              Just – wow.

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1.1.3

              ER just called ME a troll lol

          • joe90 5.1.2.1.2

            Gawd why am I even engaging with you, you’re a troll.

            Because you’re a paid toe sucker?.

    • Draco T Bastard 5.2

      What a surprise, lowerstandard finds lying by the government to be “ok”.

      • higherstandard 5.2.1

        What a surprise DTB adds nothing.

        • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1.1

          I pretty sure that pointing out that you’re supportive of a lying and corrupt government was adding enough.

          • higherstandard 5.2.1.1.1

            What a surprise DTB adds nothing.

            • McFlock 5.2.1.1.1.1

              keeping others to a higher standard that you have difficulty achieving yourself, eh?

              • higherstandard

                Another internet inaniloquent leaps to his defense.

                • McFlock

                  [hs thinks to self]:

                  oh noes, someone caught me. Better throw out a portmanteau so I look smart, and then pretend that I was making a palpable attack rather than merely indulging in narcissistic hypocrisy against someone who gave me some sort of perceived slight a while ago. I’m a smoooooooth motherfucker!

                  • higherstandard

                    ……and then leaps to his own defense

                  • Rogue Trooper

                    “let me recite the following phrases as if I were showing you the rungs of a ladder leading upwards towards increased ability to make human life negligible and cheap: inaniloquent gutter dwellers; the worst type of incontinent, pathetic lounge lizards I’ve ever seen; Youtube surrogates.”
                    -loquaciously yours, Bing.

            • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1.1.1.2

              I note that you haven’t denied being supportive of a lying and corrupt government.

  6. Tom Gould 6

    Say what you like about Shearer, but I can never image him selling out, cheating and lying like Key seems to be able to do so effortlessly. That’s your answer.

    • Dr Terry 6.1

      Well, Tom, I can assure you that he has lied to me personally, a member of his own electorate. He is at least as much an egotist and braggart as Key. What a choice we are faced with!

    • tc 6.2

      DS has already sold out and is owned by the mallarfia. Burying DC and others who threaten this group has already been shown as acceptable behaviour.

      • Tom Gould 6.2.1

        Keep it up, Key is relying on you, counting on you in fact. Might as well be Tories.

        • tc 6.2.1.1

          Hilarious TG, Key’s not relying onwhat gets blogged here, we all voted. Slippery needs to worry about the ones who didn’t.

          DS had his chance and blew it with a reshuffle as inspiring as a Bill Rowling speech. He didn’t have to sellout to the mallarfia and become leader, he didn’t even have to stand.

          Fact is he did and has to take what comes with the turf but hey it’s just a blog isn’t it….

  7. just saying 7

    Another essay question R0b?

    If Labour Party policy is indeed determined by members, the widespread outrage on the left including from party members, means that it would seemingly be pretty easy to draught some sort of toothed judicial or parliamentary consequence for this kind of behaviour, and have it confimed as policy. Labour has a fifty-fifty chance of leading the next government (imo) so it should be quite likely that legisation could be introduced in the next two or three years.

    Essay question for you R0b; Do you think that with the support of the membership, such a remedy would be likely to be enacted by a Labour-led Government if one is elected next time around? If not, why not?

    • r0b 7.1

      Another essay question R0b?

      Nature of the beast js. Besides, I don’t want to spend every post telling you what I think, sometimes I’d rather ask what you think.

      Essay question for you R0b; Do you think that with the support of the membership, such a remedy would be likely to be enacted by a Labour-led Government if one is elected next time around? If not, why not?

      I don’t think it’s likely, because in general politicians don’t act so as to constrain the power of politicians. But I don’t think that it’s impossible either.

  8. Tiger Mountain 8

    • Easy recall ballots for politicians that deviate hugely from policy or are proven to have lied, without waiting three years like in referenda. Remedies would probably be pay cuts and a quick trip to the back bench, even for PMs.

    • By some accounts Jackson’s greed in adapting one slim volume into three rear numbing length mega flicks my get him in the end. The Hobbit movies are gaining a rep as three huge ungainly steaming turds so poor box office over time may sting him in a way the truth never would.

  9. I just reread something Irish Bill wrote on October 2, 2011 and his predictions were astoundingly accurate. He said this:

    When I look at the way this is playing out I suspect that Jackson (or whoever is running the show from the producers’ side) has engaged some sharp operators to run this dispute.

    The playbook is an old one but one that is tried and true:

    1. Find a way to demonise the union as an interfering third party (in this case bullyboy Aussie outsiders)

    This is an essential story to set up from the start because it takes the public focus away from the the workers involved – a move that makes it hard to humanise the dispute and misdirects from the main point of the dispute (in this case the workers’ desire for minimum standards)

    2. Claim the union has no mandate (in this case claiming it has no legal right to bargain and low membership)

    This continues the outsider narrative and drives a wedge between union and non-union workers.

    3. Threaten capital flight.

    This pushes the wedge between union and non-union workers deeper and, in the case of a national industry, helps set the public against the union.

    4. Keep moving the goalposts.

    The news cycle is fast and shallow. If you can keep setting up new stories with different anti-union angles you force your opponents to be constantly reactive which drains their resources and keeps them on the back foot. It also works to keep the focus away from the the core dispute.

    5. Play to your strengths (in this case the saint-like reputation Peter Jackson has)

    I think it’s interesting to see Jackson has not appeared on radio or TV or, as far as I can tell, spoken directly to journalists at all. I suspect this is because his handlers have decided he would not be sympathetic talent in the flesh.

    6. Get it over and done with as quickly as possible.

    It’s hard to sustain the moral high ground for long with spin, over time the facts start to catch up and public opinion turns against you.

    This was written a couple of weeks before the dispute peaked. Pro Jackson comments over the past few days are still following the script.

    • Epping Road 9.2

      Astonishingly accurate except Helen Kelly got involved and turned it to custard. She ended up representing an Australian union that wasn’t allowed to negotiate in New Zealand and even if it had been legally registered couldn’t legally represent contractors. Smart move that one.

      • mickysavage 9.2.1

        Well done ER you have managed to follow 1, 2 and 4 all in one comment.

        • Epping Road 9.2.1.1

          mickysavage was the Actors Equity registered in NZ at the time of the dispute? Were they legally allowed to negotiate on behalf of contractors? Was or was not the MEAA which was not registered in NZ negotiating on Equity’s behalf? Did Equity represent a a big proportion of NZ film workers?

          • mickysavage 9.2.1.1.1

            Followed by a number 4.

            All I can say is what does this have to do with the Government lying to us?

            • Epping Road 9.2.1.1.1.1

              The Government wasn’t lying and nor was Jackson. The spin has definitely changed on this though. Just last night Bill was saying that the original boycott wasn’t a boycott at all but a “do not sign” notice. Like a polite “talk to your lawyer first” piece of advice. The twists and turns from Helen Kelly’s apologists is very funny. Apparently the MEAA wasn’t trying to negotiate industry-wide standards with Jackson.

              • Keep moving those goalposts ER.

              • Colonial Viper

                The Government wasn’t lying and nor was Jackson.

                Brilliant Newspeak. Slavery is freedom, etc

                • Epping Road

                  Yeah and “Helen Kelly had the interests of NZ film workers at heart” and “Helen Kelly is a really good negotiator” and “Helen Kelly always tells the truth”.

                  • Te Reo Putake

                    Yeah, spin it all you like. Helen Kelly has not lied, that would be Jackson and Taylor. And you, on their behalf.

                    • Epping Road

                      So when Helen Kelly said that nice man from Australia just wanted to sit down and chat about the terms and conditions on the Hobbit and nothing else, she wasn’t lying?

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Correct. And when Jackson claimed there was a risk that Warners would go offshore when he knew that they wouldn’t, that would be a lie. Lie, truth. Are you starting to see the difference?

                    • quartz

                      Paid shill.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Yeah time for a DNFTT order…I’ll try and comply haha

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Quite right, CV, I feel a PG style rolling eyes campaign coming on … :roll:

                    • Epping Road

                      Yes I see the difference TRP. In your world Helen Kelly good, Peter Jackson evil. Neither the NZ public nor global hobbit fans agree with you. Helen Kelly is crudely trying to rewrite history that she lost.

                    • geoff

                      Yep Epping Road is a tad slicker than the usual right wing losers we get around here but he’s still furiously trying to polish a turd.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      In my world? What would you know about my world, ER? Unlike you, I know Helen and she’s straight as a die. Her only mistake was thinking Jackson would act in good faith. But, instead he lied and now he’s paying you to do some more on his behalf.

                    • Epping Road

                      Yes poor Helen Kelly. She thought PJ would act in good faith. What an innocent well-meaning lady she is. After Simon Whipp turned up at Jackson’s house with every kind of big gun pointed at the front door, Whipp said: “Come on out, Peter. We just want to have a nice quiet chat with you. We’ll even supply the coffee and you can trust us that we haven’t poisoned it. You have nothing to fear.”

                      Good faith bargaining from the MEAA my arse. They brought every possible heavy down on Jackson as their opening move.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Billionaire Jackson cast in this show as the Victim of Bullying! Star scripting by F’ing Epping!

                      Peter Jackson giving foreign actors rights and privileges that he fights tooth and nail against giving his NZ colleagues!

                      Determined to make NZ yet another cheap 3rd world mine for Hollywood moguls.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Damn you caught me :twisted:

  10. ianmac 10

    “However, in a letter written after October 4 but never sent, Mr Brownlee, who was economic development minister, and Attorney-General Chris Finlayson outlined why, despite lobbying from the director, it would be “inappropriate” to change employment law as requested.”

    Never sent? So claimed in the supportive item by Hamish Rutherford in Business Stuff:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8355651/Jacksons-anger-at-union-snake

  11. Te Reo Putake 11

    Serious Fraud Office. Given that millions were paid to Warners after it was known that there never was a threat to pull out, that appears to be fraud. Or John Key is the worst businessman NZ has ever seen. Or both.

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      John Key made money for his clients*, that would make him a good businessman not a bad one.

      *Clearly these are not the ordinary workers of NZ.

      • Rob 11.1.1

        Really, the production workers and producing crew at Weta were all gainfully employed. But it is very convenient to forget about those workers, isn’t it team. No movie here and those jobs would be toast.

        Your idea of ordinary workers of NZ appears to be anything but.

        • Te Reo Putake 11.1.1.1

          Except we know know there jobs were never at risk, rob. We were lied to. Interesting you call them workers, btw. I thought they were supposed to be contractors.

        • Epping Road 11.1.1.2

          Shut up Rob. Colonial Viper, who has never worked in the NZ film inudustry or tried to organise them is now their spokesman. Since you disagree with him you’re just one of Peter Jackson’s evil paid shills.

  12. Epping Road 12

    “They knew the ban was lifted. They continued to insist it was in place. Lying lying liars.”

    No they didn’t. The Government knew that MEAA had been saying for weeks that the ban would be lifted but MEAA never announced this and neither Jackson nor the Government had any reason to trust that MEAA would follow through on their word.

    On what date did SAG publish that the ban was lifted?

    • just saying 12.1

      I believe it was reported at the time, that emails produced by the union showed that the studios asked the union to delay announcing the lifting of the ban until for a few days until a joint statement could be issued.

      You’ve been had, ER.

    • There was a hold up in publishing the lifting of the ban because (and excuse me for shouting) WARNER BROS WANTED TO DRAFT THE PRESS RELEASE AND DELAYED IN DOING THIS.

      Check out this article from the time published on Friday October 22, 2011 … http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10682389

      Note in particular the following passage:

      “However, a series of emails between Warner Bros and the Screen Actors’ Guild (SAG), sighted by NZPA, showed the two parties were discussing the wording of a press release announcing the settlement of the dispute from as early as Monday, US time.” Monday was the 18th of October 2011.

      This verifies Helen Kelly’s statement that the advisory had been lifted on the Sunday night but that Warners delayed the completion of the press release.

      • Epping Road 12.2.1

        Yeah right, so suddenly the SAG which imposed the ban on the Warner Bros production has to kow-tow to the company they’ve boycotted! MEAA was saying for weeks that it would announce that it was lifting the ban on production. They could have made the announcement at any time up until the 18th. Jackson’s statement on the 21st was by then the damage had already been done and the producers could no longer trust the union to act in good faith.

        • mickysavage 12.2.1.1

          Good diversion ER and I am sure that MEAA will trust Warners now.

          And how about you come up with some of those facty things to back up your proposition? I have Helen Kelly’s statement and NZPA’s viewing of emails verifying that the press release was being discussed and you have …

          • Epping Road 12.2.1.1.1

            October 20.

            “The films’ co-producer, Jackson’s partner Fran Walsh, said the ban placed on the film by the actors union remains in place, despite New Zealand actors saying it was lifted on Sunday and that Warner Bros. had been advised.

            “The boycott has not been lifted. If anyone goes to the Screen Actors’ Guild [of America] website now they will see we are blacklisted,” Walsh told National Radio.”

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/film/story/2010/10/20/new-zealand-hobbit-peter-jackson-director.html

            So you’re saying that SAG had to wait for Warners to announce the lifting of a ban that SAG imposed, and that somehow prevented SAG from removing the ban notice from their website until Warners made the announcement?

            Nice quoting of Helen Kelly though, she proved to be full of spin and untruths throughout that whole sorry saga.

            • quartz 12.2.1.1.1.1

              So Fran said on Nov 20 that the ban was in place but Peter said on the 18th that it was being lifted. Who was telling the truth?

              • Epping Road

                Where does PJ say the ban was being lifted on the 18th? Actors Equity claimed on the 18th that the ban was being lifted, but somehow this prevented SAG from withdrawing their boycott notice until Warners, who didn’t issue the boycott notice against their own production, unilaterally decided on a wording that was acceptable for them for SAG to use when SAG announced SAG’s ban.

                Equity and MEAA told Jackson for weeks that the ban would be lifted leading up to the 21st when it finally was lifted. Even as the ban was being lifted MEAA still wanted to heavy in on negotiations that they weren’t legally entitled to engage in. Why would you want to negotiate with another party if you’ve given away your only negotiation sanction (a boycott), unless you hadn’t actually given up that sanction?

            • mickysavage 12.2.1.1.1.2

              What about the emails that NZPA saw between the parties? I think the words for these is “verification” or “corroboration”.

              • Epping Road

                Where is the evidence that PJ saw or received these emails? The case against Jackson was that he conspired with Warners to say that the ban hadn’t been lifted when he knew it had been lifted. Where is the evidence that he received the emails that NZPA saw? Where is the evidence that Jackson was lying?

                Jackson was going on the facts. As at the 20th the ban remained in place. It was still listed on the SAG website. MEAA had been saying for weeks that it was removing the ban. Yet the ban remained in force on the SAG website. Even after Equity announced on the 18th that they were withdrawing the ban.

                Bad communication between Kelly, MEAA and SAG? Sure. Really clumsy negotiating from ham-fisted unions that were spinning their arses off and covering themselves in no glory whatsoever? Absolutely. But lies from Jackson? Bullshit.

                • Keep moving those goalposts ER.

                • Colonial Viper

                  More of 1. 4. and 5.

                  as per MS’s earlier comment.

                • Where is the evidence that PJ saw or received these emails

                  Um here tis …

                  It is contained in the email that was released yesterday. The one he sent on October 18, 2011 to the Government. The one that says

                  It seems like the blacklisting will be lifted tomorrow, which is due to Warners discussions with SAG, although Equity will try and claim credit for it.

                  It was still on the website because Warners were drafting the press release and delaying.

                  Care to reconsider?

                  • Epping Road

                    Then why wasn’t the ban lifted the next day? Why did it take three days to negotiate the wording? Because MEAA continued to push to negotiate with Jackson after the ban was lifted, which always raised the prospect of MEAA bringing the show to a stop again.

                    • I am not sure why I am bothering to do this but you have:

                      1. Avoided answering my comment. I offered it as proof that Jackson knew the ban was to be lifted.
                      2. Raised something that you have no proof whatsoever of (“MEAA continued to push to negotiate with Jackson after the ban was lifted”.

                      In terms of Irish’s analysis you are now playing rules 1 and 4.

                      You are also refusing to accept the evidence from Kelly, NZPA and Jackson who all clearly knew the ban was being lifted.

                      The only possible way you could say what you are saying are either:

                      1. You are telling big fibbies because you have no evidence or inside knowledge whatsoever.
                      2. You were heavily involved in the negotiations at a senior level either through Jackson or Warners and are currently spinning for them.

                      Which one is it?

                    • geoff

                      You’re a joke. Defending the lying egotist Jackson by attempting to divert the thread. We’ve seen these tactics from your kind time and time again.
                      You’re a disgrace to the country.

                    • Epping Road

                      You’re ignoring what were obviously critical events between 18 and 20 October. Why do you think SAG didn’t just front up to Warners on 18 October and say that the ban was going to be unconditionally removed and that SAG would announce that the MEAA would not initiate any further blacklisting on the Hobbit productions? What possible objection could Warners have had to that announcement?

                      Because that wasn’t what SAG were negotiating. It wasn’t the negotiation of the press release. The blacklist lifting was conditional on the negotiations on MEAA’s role going forward, which SAG continued to push for. If you really think that it takes three days of emergency meetings to draft a press release to renounce a blacklist then I have a bridge to sell you.

                      The email from Jackson shows that he was confident on the 18th that the blacklist would be lifted the next day. But it wasn’t lifted the next day. It took three days. No doubt Jackson was briefed by Warners on progress, but the blacklist was still in effect by the SAG until the SAG removed the blacklist. Which they still hadn’t done until the 21st.

                    • geoff

                      Well said Micky, the corporate dumb dumbs that hire the likes of Epping Road haven’t yet realised it does more harm than good to their corrupt cause. It merely draws further attention to the fact that they’ve been caught lying.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Where is the evidence that PJ saw or received these emails?

                  Just released by the government.

        • just saying 12.2.1.2

          The emails on this matter, as well as the recently released documents, demonstrate that the union was acting in good faith and Jackson et al weren’t.

          Warner Brothers could have publicised the lifting immediately. For some reason they chose not to.

          I don’t think you are arguing on thise matter in good faith anymore, if indeed you ever were, ER

          • Epping Road 12.2.1.2.1

            The SAG could have publicised the lifting of the ban immediately. Or they could have removed the ban notice from their website while they were negotiating the wording of the ban lifting. But they didn’t. And even after agreeing with Warners to lift the ban, MEAA still wanted to continue negotiating with Jackson. Which meant if MEAA didn’t get its way there was always a risk of a future ban.

            • mickysavage 12.2.1.2.1.1

              The SAG could have publicised the lifting of the ban immediately

              I agree. They should never have trusted Warners to play fair.

              • Epping Road

                So apparently SAG were happy to give Warners the right to dictate the statement that SAG made on lifting the ban, but SAG weren’t able to remove the ban listing from their website while the wording was decided? Nice spin dude!

                • I know this may be a foreign concept but it is called good faith bargaining.

                  So far someone involved in the negotiations (Kelly) has said it happened and NZPA have seen emails confirming it. You are maintaining continuously that because someone who was not involved in the negotiations (Walsh) says it did not happen it did not happen even though the emails say it did.

                  You are cherry picking your evidence to support the lines that you are running.

                  You are also following the script that Irish Bill set out a couple of weeks before the event.

                  And you show up yesterday as this incident again hits the news and posts continuously in a well written but deeply deceptive way.

                  Are you a paid shrill?

                  • Epping Road

                    No I’m not a shill of any kind, paid or unpaid. Are you a paid or unpaid shill for the union movement?

                    I am convinced that Jackson was under huge pressure, that he saw a film industry he created being swept out from under him, and that he genuinely believed that the film was lost to NZ. I believe he truthfully feared that the MEAA’s ongoing involvement in the film industry would cause instability.

                    You accuse me of cherry-picking evidence but you have consistently cherry-picked statements made by Kelly while mysteriously ignoring everything that took place leading up to Simon Whipp getting the Hobbit production blacklisted, everything that Simon Whipp was involved in until Helen Kelly got involved, and Helen Kelly trying to rewrite history.

                    • he genuinely believed that the film was lost to NZ. I believe he truthfully feared that the MEAA’s ongoing involvement in the film industry would cause instability

                      Well read his email and then come back and explain how you can still hold this view. The email is the one where he says that the blacklisting has nothing to do with choice of production base and all that Warners wanted was certainty in employment law.

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Epping Road can’t read that email. it’ll cause a critical exception error.

                    • Epping Road

                      Again michysavage you are cherrypicking evidence. Saying that the blacklisting is not the issue at a particular point in time does not mean that the blacklisting was never an issue or a contributing factor. The blacklisting along with the rest of MEAA’s conduct were what caused fear of instability.

                      Why do you think Jackson feared there was not certainty around the Hobbit’s industrial relations? Could it possibly be because an Australian union tried to muscle in on the Hobbit, use the Hobbit as a means to set industry standards, claim credit for having set those standards and create a union base across the film industry? Could it have been that despite not being a registered union in NZ the MEAA brought down the SAG and several other international unions onto Jackson’s head as its opening gambit? Could it have been that the MEAA wanted to continue to negotiate terms and conditions on behalf of contractors at the final hour, even after the MEAA said they would lift a ban that they had promised to lift weeks earlier, but didn’t?

                      You are taking statements Jackson made in isolation. In Jackson’s statement of 21 October he made clear that the lifting of the blacklist was no longer the issue. It was the confidence that Warners had that the MEAA wouldn’t stir up trouble again and disrupt the production.

                      I think it is telling that not once have you defended Simon Whipp or the MEAA’s role in this dispute. Nor has Helen Kelly. Clearly both of you think his behaviour was indefensible, so instead you try to smokescreen Whipp’s role by abusing the motives of the man who built the NZ film industry. Classy.

                    • McFlock

                      Why do you think Jackson feared there was not certainty around the Hobbit’s industrial relations?

                      could it be that he’d become used to having a dictatorial fiefdom (unlike every other workplace in the country) that Bryson had challenged?

                      could it be that it’s unreasonable to expect “stability” from one party while offering none in return, yet this is what he wanted?

                      could it be that a handily-timed “crisis” is a useful way to extort money from a country (even if you have no real intent to follow through on your threat), particularly if the pm is a sycophantic groupie?

                    • Epping Road

                      “could it be that he’d become used to having a dictatorial fiefdom (unlike every other workplace in the country) that Bryson had challenged?”

                      Bryson was certainly a factor for Jackson and Warners from the beginning. That’s on the record. Whether you would go to such extraordinary steps of hiring hundreds of people on a production, scouting locations, and then booking flights out of there and then go through all that charade just to change Bryson is a big stretch. Warners knew of Bryson at the time they green-lighted the production. Sure Bryson was a problem, but saying it was a big conspiracy without any evidence is BS.

                      “could it be that it’s unreasonable to expect “stability” from one party while offering none in return, yet this is what he wanted?”

                      This is a film production. There were ways to set up stability around individual contractor agreements, and even negotiate collectively. You just set up a bigger company, negotiate directly with Jackson through that company and get the terms and conditions that you can. There never has been any evidence that the terms and conditions offered to the contractors were any less than offered elsewhere in the film industry in NZ. By all reports The Hobbit paid more, and with better conditions than everyone else in NZ.

                      “could it be that a handily-timed “crisis” is a useful way to extort money from a country (even if you have no real intent to follow through on your threat), particularly if the pm is a sycophantic groupie?”

                      Interesting conspiracy theory but you don’t have to go to all that effort to achieve it. You just sit the PM down and say: “If you don’t change the law then we’re going to announce we’re pulling out of NZ. Peter is making the announcement next week. This is the press release he’s issuing.”

                    • Ahhh Bryson the set model technician whose claim for modest compensation made its way all the way to the Supreme Court.

                      Existing New Zealand law allows people working on movies to be categorised as contractors. All you have to do is make sure that the paperwork is in order.

                      Yet the Bryson case was made out to be a movie ending threat by Warners and by Jackson.

                      Weirder and weirder.

                    • McFlock

                      So which bits are the things that you don’t think happened?

                      Jackson wanting the law changed because of Bryson?
                      Jackson/Hollywood talking up the union blacklist to justify the tax breaks?
                      The movie reps sitting down with Key and demanding a tax break with the threat of moving offshore?
                      or Key just offering them money and a law change for no reason?

                      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Key was a particularly tough negotiator on this issue by any stretch of the imagination, but it might be a bit much even for him to offer the law change and $60million in taxpayer funds just as koha for them coming to visit him in wellington. He probably gave them actual Gingernuts with their tea, rather than the home brand ginger bisuits, too.

                    • Epping Road

                      “Jackson wanting the law changed because of Bryson?”

                      Yes I think ideally Jackson and Warners wanted Bryson over-ruled by Parliament. It caused concern for the industry. That’s a matter of public record. But I don’t believe that Jackson believed that Bryson on its own created so much anguish that Warners and Jackson couldn’t work within it. Warners green-lighted the Hobbit after Bryson came down. They could not possibly assume that the Government would change the law. Of greater concern to Warners and Jackson was the MEAA using Bryson to cause instability in the film industry.

                      “Jackson/Hollywood talking up the union blacklist to justify the tax breaks?”

                      You’ve got to be joking. Talking up the blacklist? The blacklist brought the whole production to a stand-still. It isn’t a warning, or a don’t-sign-yet-notice. It means taht every actor and production member aligned to any international union can’t work on the production. It means that if Warners had proceeded with the production in spite of the blacklist then every global union would have blacklisted all of Warner’s films.

                      “The movie reps sitting down with Key and demanding a tax break with the threat of moving offshore?”

                      It’s a matter of public record that following the dispute, that simply changing the law wasn’t enough to bring the production back to NZ. More incentives were necessary. Would those incentives have been necessary if Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly hadn’t created so much instability in the film industry? No, absolutely not. Whipp’s and Kelly’s actions cost NZers a lot of money.

                      “or Key just offering them money and a law change for no reason?”

                      Not likely, no. When government is short of cash they’re not usually in the habit of just giving money away. I think the mess that Whipp and Kelly created made the extra incentives necessary to lure Warners’ back.

                      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Key was a particularly tough negotiator on this issue by any stretch of the imagination, but it might be a bit much even for him to offer the law change and $60million in taxpayer funds just as koha for them coming to visit him in wellington. He probably gave them actual Gingernuts with their tea, rather than the home brand ginger bisuits, too.

                    • McFlock

                      It’s a matter of public record that following the dispute, that simply changing the law wasn’t enough to bring the production back to NZ.

                      Really? You can link to it then.

                      Your comment seems to imply that the decision had in fact been made to shift the production offshore, and it was only the tax bribe plus the law change that brought it back. I’ll get my popcorn while you provide a link for that assertion.

                    • Epping Road

                      “Really? You can link to it then.”

                      I say that on the basis of Brownlee and the PMs statements after 21 October that they weren’t expecting to pay more, but they would look to changing the law if that was necessary.

                      “Your comment seems to imply that the decision had in fact been made to shift the production offshore, and it was only the tax bribe plus the law change that brought it back. I’ll get my popcorn while you provide a link for that assertion.”

                      Jackson’s statement on 21 October was that Warners were coming down to NZ to shift the production offshore. “Next week Warners are coming down to NZ to make arrangements to move the production off-shore. It appears we now cannot make films in our own country – even when substantial financing is available.”

                      I know that many believe Kelly and Whipp think that Jackson’s statement on this was a sham. But to believe it was a sham you need to prove a conspiracy. Given that of all the people involved in the negotiations at the highest levels of government, including ministers, ministerial staff, government departments, Jackson’s people, Warners, New Line, that not a shred of evidence has leaked out of the sham, I think you are struggling.

                      If the Government could have got away with just changing the law to bring the production back, I think they would have. I can think of no compelling reason to simply fire off a big cheque to Warners if the law change had been enough. I don’t think any law change, or any additional money would have been paid if MEAA and Kelly hadn’t bungled it.

                      You can call it a “tax bribe” if you like, but there have been tax incentives in the film industry for some time for big films. Was the Government pressured at the last moment to bend over backwards for Warners, doing things they wouldn’t have otherwise wanted to do? Bloody hell they were. Did they need to do this to make sure the production went ahead in NZ? Absolutely. Who caused that position to come about? Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly.

                    • McFlock

                      okay, you haven’t mastered the are of supplying evidence. no problem. You were only using public statements of proven and repeated liars as support.

                      You can call it a “tax bribe” if you like, but there have been tax incentives in the film industry for some time for big films. Was the Government pressured at the last moment to bend over backwards for Warners, doing things they wouldn’t have otherwise wanted to do? Bloody hell they were. Did they need to do this to make sure the production went ahead in NZ? Absolutely. Who caused that position to come about? Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly.

                      The bit I italicised is the crux of two issues:
                      1) was the production really going to go overseas, and if so was it worth the tax cuts and law change to keep it here? and

                      2) did the government know the answer to 1) and negotiate accordingly.

                      Quite frankly, the government was incompetent and the production company and jackson extracted as much out of that as possible.

                      Blame the unions all you want, but either they had enough support to endanger the NZ (and overseas) production, or they didn’t. In the first instance, the protest in favour of jackson was a sham march by a minority of scabs and shills. In the second instance, the tax rebate and law change were needless gifts from the government to the already rich. Either possibility makes your obsession against worker representation somewhat suspect.

                    • Epping Road

                      “okay, you haven’t mastered the are of supplying evidence. no problem. You were only using public statements of proven and repeated liars as support.”

                      I quoted Jackson. I think the Hobbit dispute showed Kelly up as a proven and repeated liar. You don’t believe Jackson, I don’t believe Kelly. You use Kelly’s testimony as the basis of your beliefs, I use Jackson’s. We’re not going to advance any further on that point but you can’t accuse me of not providing evidence. It just happens to be evidence that you don’t trust.

                      “The bit I italicised is the crux of two issues:
                      1) was the production really going to go overseas, and if so was it worth the tax cuts and law change to keep it here? and”

                      Yes I believe that the production really was going to go overseas, on the basis that to prove otherwise you have to prove a conspiracy, and for that conspiracy to be kept a secret then you rely on dozens if not hundreds of people privy to the negotiations remaining silent on the conspiracy for two and a half years. Not a single piece of evidence that the production wasn’t shifting offshore.

                      “2) did the government know the answer to 1) and negotiate accordingly.”

                      I think by the 21st the Government believed that it was going offshore, but that it was salvageable if the Government changed the law. You can argue that Warners’ would have sent a lackey or nobody at all rather than their top team to Wellington if it was just to confirm to the Government that they were pulling out. Did Warners think that it was salvageable? Obviously.

                      Do I think the Government had any idea beyond a law change, on 21 October, what was necessary to secure it? Unlikely. It was a moving feast. JK wouldn’t have publicly said that he didn’t expect to have to put more money on the table if he knew that he would. There’s no inclination from the PM’s reaction on 21-22 October that he was softening the public up for a cash payment as well as a law change. The law change, he was certainly softening the public up for.

                      I don’t know when it became clear to the Government that things in an addition to a law change were necessary. What was clear was the moment that the production was blacklisted by the MEAA, and every subsequent action to demonise Warners and Jackson, and every subsequent day that the blacklist remained in force, the more likely the production would be pulled, and the stronger Warners’ hand would be in any subsequent negotiation to salvage it.

                      Did Warners ratchet up the negotiations and squeeze the Government for all it could? Yes, probably. Could they have gone harder and got more? Maybe. Could the Government have struck a better deal for the taxpayer? Who knows. What we do know is that Warners had the upper hand and because of the economic value of the production the Government was in a desperate position to keep the production in NZ.

                      And the Government was only put in that desperate position because Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly desperately overplayed their hand, created absolute turmoil in the film industry, and then slinked off while the Government picked up the bill.

                      “Blame the unions all you want, but either they had enough support to endanger the NZ (and overseas) production, or they didn’t.”

                      The union that represented less than 10% of NZ actors, and wasn’t even registered in NZ. The tiny union in NZ that called down blacklists from every big international film union.

                      “In the first instance, the protest in favour of jackson was a sham march by a minority of scabs and shills.”

                      Come on. Over a thousand protesters. The “sham march” that Kelly was too afraid to meet with. The huge majority of people committed to work on the Hobbit were not union members. Not even MEAA or Helen Kelly ever claimed that they represented anything like a big part of the film industry.

                      “In the second instance, the tax rebate and law change were needless gifts from the government to the already rich. Either possibility makes your obsession against worker representation somewhat suspect.”

                      I disagree that they were needless gifts. Read above. I’m not obsessed against worker representation. Workers have every right to organise within the law. Film workers and unions had every right to lobby the Government for commerce act changes to allow them to negotiate collectively for contractors, which they never tried to do even under a union-friendly government. I think unions are entitled to recruit. But the law says that both parties must act in good faith. Using one production to advance your ambitions for the whole industry isn’t good faith. Bringing down the heaviest possible sanctions as your first move isn’t good faith. Nowhere has Helen Kelly ever justified Simon Whipp’s actions. Nor have any of Helen Kelly’s supporters here. The silence around Whipp is extraordinary.

                    • McFlock

                      You might want to point to where you quoted, though. That’s the difference between evidence and gossip.

                      Anyway, we know there was a conspiracy to extract as much money from making the film in NZ as possible. It’s called a production company. The question is whether the rumoured move overseas was a genuine concept, or just a hollow threat. The same individuals can be involved in either, as either is a strategic negotiating and production decision. So your “conspiracy theory” basis for believing the public negotiating position is flawed.

                      What we do know is that Warners had the upper hand and because of the economic value of the production the Government was in a desperate position to keep the production in NZ.

                      Hmm. That motive is inconsistent with every other decision the government has made. Of course the difference is movies have more glitz than carpets or trains. You might need a rethink there.

                      The silence around Whipp is extraordinary.

                      Mostly because peter jackson said the employment law change was irrelevant to the film being made in nz, if you read the post’s links. The issue is that national kept pretending the ban was up so they could have idiots like you thinking there was a connection between that and the production in NZ.

                      Tell me something: do you think they would have avoided a blacklist if they went to Estonia because workers here were trying to unionise? Irrelevant to the law change and the rebate. But Key met hollywood bigwigs and got a sword, so yays for us.

                    • Epping Road

                      “You might want to point to where you quoted, though. That’s the difference between evidence and gossip.”

                      I have been pointing most of the time. This conversation has been over two threads in two days already. A lot of the points raised against what I’ve said, once you filter out the personal attacks that a number of commenters have made against me (and I respect you for mostly resisting those), have been repeated. You’re correct that I haven’t added links and quotes each time, but when asked to I have. When asked if I think something is my interpretation based on the evidence then I have been upfront about that.

                      “Anyway, we know there was a conspiracy to extract as much money from making the film in NZ as possible. It’s called a production company.”

                      Likewise you could say that there was a “conspiracy” by the unions to extract as much influence as possible over this period.

                      “The question is whether the rumoured move overseas was a genuine concept, or just a hollow threat. The same individuals can be involved in either, as either is a strategic negotiating and production decision.”

                      I agree, that is the issue.

                      “So your “conspiracy theory” basis for believing the public negotiating position is flawed.”

                      No. My argument against the conspiracy theory is that if it had been a sham by the production company (and allegedly the Government was in on this sham), then there is a very high probability that one of the dozens if not hundreds of people who participated in this sham, to call off a production as an empty threat, would have spilled the beans by now. They haven’t.

                      “Hmm. That motive is inconsistent with every other decision the government has made. Of course the difference is movies have more glitz than carpets or trains. You might need a rethink there.”

                      I call BS on that. The Government intervenes all the time. It does so based on whether there’s political advantage for them in intervening. Of course JK wanted to walk down the red carpet. Of course he wanted the jobs to stay here. If the Hobbit had gone offshore then it would have been disastrous for any government.

                      Even assuming that the CTU and the MEAA would have acted the same way they did under a Labour Government, do you think Helen Clark would have made different decisions if they had been put in that negotiating position with Warners? Do you really think Helen would have let Warners walk away from the table, take their production overseas, and refused to cut a deal to keep them here?

                      “Mostly because peter jackson said the employment law change was irrelevant to the film being made in nz, if you read the post’s links. The issue is that national kept pretending the ban was up so they could have idiots like you thinking there was a connection between that and the production in NZ.”

                      What’s your reference for PJ saying the employment law change was irrelevant? Previous comment from Kelly’s fan-club have been that PJ said that the boycott was irrelevant to Warner’s decision. I’ve argued the latter point with other commenters to death already. The conclusion I’ve drawn is that I don’t believe that anything PJ said on that issue is inconsistent.

                      “Tell me something: do you think they would have avoided a blacklist if they went to Estonia because workers here were trying to unionise? Irrelevant to the law change and the rebate.”

                      That’s the first time I’ve seen it raised, but it is an interesting issue. I would say that SAG’s decision to withdraw the boycott was not contingent on the production staying in NZ. SAG made the decision to withdraw the boycott before Jackson said that the production was all but lost to NZ. So if Warners had gone to Estonia then no ban would have been in place in Estonia.

                    • McFlock

                      No. My argument against the conspiracy theory is that if it had been a sham by the production company (and allegedly the Government was in on this sham), then there is a very high probability that one of the dozens if not hundreds of people who participated in this sham, to call off a production as an empty threat, would have spilled the beans by now. They haven’t.

                      Who says hundreds of people would need to lie? Just the negotiating team and decision makers. Nobody else.

                      “Hmm. That motive is inconsistent with every other decision the government has made. Of course the difference is movies have more glitz than carpets or trains. You might need a rethink there.”

                      I call BS on that. The Government intervenes all the time. It does so based on whether there’s political advantage for them in intervening. Of course JK wanted to walk down the red carpet. Of course he wanted the jobs to stay here. If the Hobbit had gone offshore then it would have been disastrous for any government.

                      Big difference between “political advantage” and the motive you initially attributed to the government, “because of the economic value of the production the Government was in a desperate position to keep the production in NZ”. And before you call an indirect relationship between the two, our low-growth, high unemployment, high deficit government demonstrates otherwise.

                      I would say that SAG’s decision to withdraw the boycott was not contingent on the production staying in NZ.

                      I’d say that shifting country because the workers there are easier to screw over is likely to piss off unions, including SAG.

                      What’s your reference for PJ saying the employment law change was irrelevant?
                      sorry, Blackwood

                    • Epping Road

                      “What’s your reference for PJ saying the employment law change was irrelevant?
                      sorry, Blackwood”

                      I think you are mistaken. Neither the Herald article nor the emails assert that the law change was irrelevant. The Herald article asserts that on the 15th October Blackwood said that the production was committed to NZ. But this is not supported by Blackwood’s correspondence in the emails. Read page 10 from Blackwood to Brownlee on Tuesday 12 October http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/document/pdf/20139/NZHHobbitDocuments.PDF

                      “First, and most importantly, when you asked me if the decision had been made to move the films offshore, I told you that that decision had not yet been made. And it hasn’t. As I have said to you on every occasion that we have spoken, we are committed to NZ, both because of Peter and Fran’s deep commitment to be there, as well as our own – we filmed all three Lord of the Rings films in NZ and are not makeng any decisions to move this production lightly. If that were to happen, it would honestly be a blow to all of us. That said, we are in a very precarious position…”

                      Blackwood’s email doesn’t mention the law change, and certainly doesn’t say that the law change was irrelevant to its decision. The point in Blackwood’s email was to alert Brownlee of the increasing risk.

                      Forward three days to 15 October (page 12 of the PDF), when Blackwood sent a furious message to Brownlee via PJ, informing him that Whipp had just turned up in LA to make demands about Warners agreeing to renegotiate the Pink Book before he would rescind the Do Not Work order. That is directly from Blackwood’s email to PJ.

                      In my view there is no question that Whipp turning up to LA to push his case on the day that the SAG was due to announce its removal of the blacklist on 15 October to make further demands of Warners didn’t inflame things, and create a climate of distrust, then I’m afraid on the basis of the email correspondence I disagree with you. PJ would have to be some very special kind of Evil Genius to pull that off. And if you really think that Warners would suddenly turn around and have agreed all the issues with SAG by the 18th, when SAG was supposedly ready to pull the plug on its blacklist, then I think that’s a nonsense too.

                      Of course there’s an easy way to create some balance in the argument. We’ve seen the emails between Ministers and the producers. What we haven’t seen is the correspondence between Whipp and his negotiating team, particularly the SAG and the CTU. Helen Kelly must have received that. Surely she can easily release all the amils she had over the period between the CTU and MEAA and SAG on the Hobbit dispute so that we can compare PJ’s story against hers.

                    • McFlock

                      nice. 12 oct email she says the are deply committed to nz but might move to NSW, to face the same union, and doesn’t mention factoring in a strike by the same union. Seriously?

                    • McFlock

                      oh, you got yourself banned. Never mind then.

                  • Epping Road

                    Sorry Mcflock, for the sake of clarity I accidentally included your last paragraph in my comment. That isn’t my comment of course.

            • quartz 12.2.1.2.1.2

              Fuck off paid shill.

    • Ant 12.3

      Piss off troll, it’s common knowledge they were organising a coordinated press release with all involved parties.

      • Epping Road 12.3.1

        Yeah sure it takes three days of emergency meetings of big teams at the highest levels of Warner’s and the SAG to organise a coordinated press release.

        • McFlock 12.3.1.1

          it does when someone drags their feet to get more concessions from a compliant government.

  13. ianmac 13

    The essence of Steven Joyce’s comments is that the ends justify the means. A pretty dangerous line for a government in a democracy, – unless you live in Fiji.

  14. bad12 14

    Slippery deliberately told a big one in the House yesterday while under fire from the combined Opposition Labour/Green/NZFirst over the absolute mess His Government have made of the States coal miner Solid Energy,

    Being quizzed by the Green Party’s Russell Norman over His support for Solid Energy’s move to diversify into lignite coal to diesel as late as 2011-2012 in public speeches the Prime Minister claimed that while coal prices were high He was happy to support such moves by the State’s coal miner,

    i have to say here that for the first time i was a little disappointed with Russell Norman when He didn’t immediately ask a supplementary question and expose the previous answer from Slippery the Prime Minister as the deliberate misleading of the House or LIE that it actually was,

    Our Prime Minister happy to have Solid Energy diversify into fuel production from coal as the coal prices where high???,

    In 2008 a bare month befor His election to the post of Prime Minister the price of a tonne of coal on the open market fell from US$150 a full third of it’s price to US$111.50,

    By October 2010 the price of coal had fallen a further third to US$71.25 a tonne,

    Hopefully Russell Norman puts the Slippery little Shyster on the spot at next Tuesday’s question time in the Parliament over such utter bullshit the Prime Minister has made up so as to attempt to extricate Himself from responsibility that He and His Finance Minister, Bill from Dipton, must equally share in their total ignorance of the looming crisis faced by the States cola miner Solid Energy….

    • tc 14.1

      I’m surprised he’s even in QT, unless he really has lost interest now having all his boxes ticked as he’s not competant enough to hold out on a concerted and focused session.

      Maybe someone in the MSM can do this on the oppositions behalf…….yeah right !

  15. bunch of new posters 15

    In the constitutional system of Parliamentary democracy with its supposed built-in checks and balances it is the job of the Opposition to pick up a Government on lies and expose them ruthlessly with all the privileges of the public forums it has access to.

    On the reasonable assumption that the Party in power whatever its colour will always seek to abuse that power, the question posed by the article really ought to ask what we as citizens can and/or should do when we have an Opposition that through incompetence, laziness or self-interest fails to fulfil its role.

    • Bunji 15.1

      Okay, so when something is exposed, like this, what happens then? I think that was more the point…

      • Colonial Viper 15.1.1

        I predict that John Key’s personal rating stays clearly over 40% and National holds steady around 47%.

        But that’s probably not what you meant…

      • bunch of new posters 15.1.2

        Well my personal suggestion for a more responsible, accountable Parliament would be to divide the country into, say, twentyfour constituencies each returning five MP’s, one to be elected per annum. You could go even further and stagger the annual elections so that somewhere there are six MPs having to stand for re-election every quarter. The advantages:

        1. It ditches the pre-Steam-Age notion of General Elections, with the tri-annual lie-fest that is the hustings, the concentrated media hysteria and all the baby-kissing while allowing politicians to ignore us all the rest of the time,

        2. It gives us each an annual opportunity to have our say on the Govrnment’s performance,

        3. Having a vote for one of five allows greater nuances of political expression.

        Each consituency would be composed of rich and poor, city, small town and rural districts from across the counry to get rid of the Epsom phenomenon, and the 18th Century notion that your MP had to be within half a day’s horseback ride.

        With each MP having a five-year term I’d limit any MP to two terms maximum – even non-consecutive ones.

  16. RJL 16

    Sure it is possible to imagine court action, or some more active role for the Speaker or an Ombudsman to sanction lying politicians. But that just seems to move the problem around — who ensures the integrity the judge/ombudsman/etc?

    Our system does work, to the extent that if the public cares about the lies politicians tell, then the politicians simply get voted out.

    It really comes down to the opposition politicians (and possibly journalists and “concerned citizens”) telling the public why they should care, *and* the opposition politicians offering a convincing alternative.

    Of course, a problem is that lots of things politicians (from all sides) say can be spun as lies.

  17. Mary 17

    Darien Fenton was absolutely piss-weak abysmal on Morning Report this morning. No wonder Key can get away with what he does. Just hopeless.

  18. Draco T Bastard 18

    When it becomes obvious that an entire government lied to the populace then that government needs to be jailed with the opposition taking over government until a new election is held. Anything less is accepting the corruption that the lies represent.

    • Epping Road 18.1

      Oh yeah that’s democratic. Worked in Fiji didn’t it.

      • Colonial Viper 18.1.1

        Newsflash – we are already a crony capitalist banana republic.

        (Without the bananas, admittedly).

      • Colonial Viper 18.1.2

        Funny how you think that “corruption” and “lies” from Government is “democratic”. I’m pretty sure that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

        • Epping Road 18.1.2.1

          That big pro National Party conspiracy Transparency International disagrees with you on your corruption claim, and that other big National Party conspiracy, called the New Zealand public, disagrees with you on the “lies” claim. Keep blabbing your nonsense though because it’s obviously very comforting for you.

          • Colonial Viper 18.1.2.1.1

            Transparency International? When did they manage to study these incriminating Hobbit emails?

            Oh yeah, they haven’t lol

          • aspasia 18.1.2.1.2

            Still waiting for evidence that the CTU funded Bryson, ER? You will be called on unsubstantiated allegations if you choose to blog here.

            • Epping Road 18.1.2.1.2.1

              JK made the statement at the press conference announcing the deal to bring the Hobbit back to NZ after the dispute. To my knowledge Key has never been challenged on it. Did I make up the claim? No. Did JK make it up? Who knows. If you think everything Helen Kelly says is gospel then how can you object if most of NZ believe JK?

              • Te Reo Putake

                How can it be be brought back to NZ if it never left?

              • framu

                ” Did JK make it up? ”

                who knows – he does however have a history of making shit up so i wouldnt use him as any kind of evidence

              • framu

                “how can you object if most of NZ believe JK?”

                oh, the self appointed spokesman for the people of NZ now are we

                shit mate – your a first rate Augean Stable of BS

                hope youve got waders on – and earmuffs

              • aspasia

                Presumably this is not a reply to my post? If it is, she’s your link?

                • aspasia

                  Edit function not working? My post should have read “where’s your link?” Not sure what your post should have read…….

                  • Epping Road

                    Aspasia the statement from Key was on Breakfast on the morning of the meeting with Warners, see about 3.35m in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQsQr02T2pE

                    • aspasia

                      Oh I see….I was looking for actual evidence. Key, on the morning of meeting with Warner Bros, claims that the unions funded the Bryson SC case. Yes he did make it up. It obviously suited the spin at the time.

                      The CTU does not have the deep pockets of Warner Bros. But in any event there was no way Bryson’s counsel was going to pass up the chance to bring the first ever employment law case in the Supreme Court. As the SC decision demonstrates, there was considerable legal concern that the Court of Appeal had seriously distorted well settled common law principle to find for Three Foot Six. The law is about more than the film industry. Gould was quite prepared to appear pro bono in this situation.

                      Helen Kelly?? Ross Wilson was CTU President at the material time.

            • One Tāne Huna 18.1.2.1.2.2

              Don’t hold your breath. ER’s work here involves repeating finely-spun horseshit, not acknowledging error.

          • framu 18.1.2.1.3

            ” Transparency International disagrees with you on your corruption claim”

            yeah, its “perceived corruption” numbskull

          • Draco T Bastard 18.1.2.1.4

            Transparency International report perception and that is not the reality. NZ is actually majorly corrupt.

      • tc 18.1.3

        Stick with sacarcm as the trolling isn’t working out for you.

      • Draco T Bastard 18.1.4

        I don’t recall asking for a military coup, just that the government be held accountable for its actions. That would probably require some law changes such as the power of recall and, in extreme cases*, the AG and the governor to be able to instruct the police to act.

        * When it’s obvious that the government has broken the law.

  19. One Tāne Huna 19

    What to do about the National Party?

    Parliament is a court. Introduce stronger rules of admissible evidence, and harsher penalties for perjury in Parliament.

    Turn prosecution decisions over to the police and crown prosecution.

    • Lanthanide 19.1

      If they lied in parliament, then there are already good sanctions available.

      In this case I believe they only lied on TV and radio interviews.

  20. Steady Course 20

    Give up ER, the left will continue to grasp at pathetic little straws in an attempt to stem the ever gaining popularity of National. Conspiracies conspiracies, i suppose John Key in conjunction with warners organised 9/11 too huh?

    • Arfamo 20.1

      Haven’t seen anyone here making that nonsense 9/11 claim but you. Does bollocks like this typify your arguments and evidence?

    • Draco T Bastard 20.2

      So, solid proof that the government lied is “grasping at straws”?

      riiiiiight.

  21. bad12 21

    There now appears to be 3 official languages in New Zealand, along with Maori and English Slippery the Prime Minister has introduced BULLSHIT as the official language of the Parliament…

  22. Rupert Snodgrass (stupid banned troll) 22

    Why are Trade Union filth trying so hard to rewrite the history of the Hobbit Saga?

    Because Kiwi workers rose as one to fight against their treason.

    Helen Kelly and the CTU conspired with a foreign entity to destroy a multi-billion dollar Kiwi industry.

    And Kiwi workers prevented them.

    Two years later, the constant screeching of Union filth reminds us, how bitter their defeat was. We marched on Mayday, their day, to save Kiwi jobs whilst they hid in their offices, squealing that their exploitation of Kiwi workers had come to an end.

    • Steady Course 22.1

      Good Call

    • One Tāne Huna 22.2

      Just the facts, ma’am. The government lied. The emails prove it. Granny concurs.

    • quartz 22.3

      Because Kiwi workers rose as one to fight against their treason.

      Jesus Peter Jackson is posting here now.

      It is true, Peter, that you have moved into a sterile room and stopped cutting your nails?

    • vto 22.4

      Snodgrass you malign unions and workers at your peril. You need to grow up and learn some history about them.

      In addition, from reading this thread and hanging around on this site for far too long now it seems abundantly clear that Epping Road and Rupert Snodgrass are only one degree of separation from Jackson and his crew – if not sitting across the desk from each other.

      Straight from the “top”. Top in one sense only, bottom in most humanity measures which stand the test of time and history.

      What a bunch of wankers, bashing on working people and unions. My views tend to the right mostly – except on union matters and workers where some heavy base lines for good society sit. Will never view Jackson films or Jackson himself the same again. What a shame.

      shame

      • Epping Road 22.4.1

        vto I am not “one degree of separation from Jackson and his crew”. I have had nothing to do with his production, nothing to do with anything that he has done, or anybody who’s ever been associated with him, never been a supplier or contractor or anybody related to that, nothing to do with Warners or any of their companies, nothing to do with the Government’s deal with Warners or with Jackson. I had no involvement in organising any campaign against any of the unions or any campaign supporting the Hobbit production. As above for any connection that you suspect I might have deliberately left out. Everything I’ve said is based on my personal perspective based on what is on the public record.

        The closest I’ve ever come to Jackson was wandering down the road in Miramar last year and seeing a big black mercedes driving down the road, and realising when it passed that Jackson was driving. Oh, and about a year ago when I had nothing to do on a long weekend, I helped out a friend who was installing a new ceiling on the property of somebody who was a building contractor for the production. I was paid for that gig for two days work, for which I think I earned $380 and an exhausted body. I didn’t do it for the money, but to help out a friend who needed a couple of manual labourers that weekend. I don’t know who that building contractor who owned that property was since they were away at the time but I could probably point the house out if pushed.

        But that is the extent of my conflict of interest, if you can call it that. Oh, and I did pay for a movie ticket to go and see the film in December. Now if anybody else commenting in this thread who has had any contact with Helen Kelly, the CTU, MEAA, Actors Equity or anybody involved in their campaigns wants to declare their associations, then feel free.

    • vto 22.5

      Further, snodghrass and epping and others …. do you not see the anger and resentment that this conduct has brought out of the left and the workers movement and the unions? Does it not register, the weight of this? Do you have your eyes open?

      Some of you claim that the union eyes are not open to the ‘wow’ of Slippery and Jackson that the public apparently see, but that is flash in the pan. You should think on the firestorm you have unleashed.

      • Rupert Snodgrass (stupid banned troll) 22.5.1

        do you not see the anger and resentment that this conduct has brought out of the left and the workers movement and the unions?

        The workers’ movement, vto, is us: those of us who marched against Trade Union sabotage of our industry, and the tens of thousands of Kiwis who marched with us on Mayday 2010.

        We are the workers. And guess what:

        You Labour/Green/Mana voting, welfare-guzzling, crime-committing, Trade Unionist traitors don’t speak for the actual people who work in this country. So take your entitled arse and get the fuck out. There is no place for you and your kind in decent Kiwi society and we’re tired of carrying you.

        • IrishBill 22.5.1.1

          You marched to ensure you can never have the choice to be employees. What are you going to march for next? Abolishing your right to vote? Slow. Clap.

          • Rupert Snodgrass (stupid banned troll) 22.5.1.1.1

            We marched to save it from Trade Union treason, you Trotskyite buffoon.

            What shall we march for next? Actually, I’d be keen for us to march to abolish your right to vote.

            A tragedy of the Kiwi condition is universal suffrage. Only those who contribute to society should have a voice in how it is run

            And you, Irish, most certainly would not qualify. So suck back on that welfare some more, and tell decent Kiwis how we should run an industry that you know nothing about..

            [lprent: It is hard to find anything that you have "contributed" over the past few days that could be considered to be informative or worthwhile. Indeed you don't appear to have any actual knowledge of the film industry in NZ after looking through your comments

            FYI: my partner is a director, producer, and has been around the local film industry for years. I'm a programmer and I've worked around the digital arts enough to consider you to be a complete blowhard fuckwit. Basically it sounds to me like you're more of a wannabe than someone who does anything.

            But I'm taking your "advice" - you don't contribute here at all.

            You appear to be a simple and quite stupid troll. You are permanently banned. ]

            • IrishBill 22.5.1.1.1.1

              I know quite a bit about the industry. I was involved in it in a small way some years ago.

              You marched because your boss told you your jobs were on the line when he knew full well they weren’t. Now you’ve found that out, you feel like a sucker. It’s understandable.

              • lprent

                Actually after reading his comments I can’t see any indication that he has any background in the film industry. Looked like a simple troll. I just banned him as one.

                BTW: after nearly 33 months, they’re shipping our project out the door. Stamping out the final version of the code in this evenings build. So I can start moderating out some of these fools again.

                • IrishBill

                  I liked having him here. I thought he was a fine example of Peter Jackson’s supporters.

                  • lprent

                    Might have been a fine example of something, however his technique was way way too good in the incendiary arts to have been the simple innocent. I think he was just here for the trolling and really had nothing to say. Certainly in 6 comments he never betrayed any actual knowledge of the topics he was speaking about (apart from an ability to use bold well)

                  • Kevin Welsh

                    Yeah, keep him on. I’ve never been this close to the rantings of an actual fascist before. I’m intrigued…

                • bad12

                  That would be nice as far as giving the idiot brigade a spanking, the posts have been getting harder to read as they become more inflamed…

        • vto 22.5.1.2

          Snodgrass “The workers’ movement, vto, is us: those of us who marched against Trade Union sabotage of our industry, and the tens of thousands of Kiwis who marched with us on Mayday 2010.

          We are the workers. And guess what:

          You Labour/Green/Mana voting, welfare-guzzling, crime-committing, Trade Unionist traitors don’t speak for the actual people who work in this country. So take your entitled arse and get the fuck out. There is no place for you and your kind in decent Kiwi society and we’re tired of carrying you.”

          ..

          Sometimes it don’t take much to knock the scab off and see the pus inside ooze out.

          Snodgrass, if you’re watching from inside your cell – why have you mixed up labour, greens, mana? I aint them. Why have you mixed up welfare with unions and working men and women? Why have you brought “entitlement” into it? And decent? It seems you are simply full of assumptions and incorrections and have no room left for thinking or analysis.

          Why do you hate trade unions? It would be interesting to know if you have read any of NZ’s trade union history – it is ugly. Ugly from your side fulla. Read some and shrivel Snodgrass.

      • Epping Road 22.5.2

        vto I can see that this issue has inflamed some professional unionists and their small group of supporters, but there is no evidence that has resonated with the general public. I wasn’t at the Hobbit premiere but I didn’t hear of any Hobbit counter-protest among the hundred thousand strong crowd. JK talked about the “hobbit haters” during the election but Labour tried pretty hard to ignore his taunts as an election issue. I’m quite sure that if there had been any mileage in milking the issue politically then Labour would have run with it. But as far as I know they didn’t.

        • IrishBill 22.5.2.1

          Are you still here? I see you’ve defaulted to the old saw of “but everyone agrees with me”. Your man lied. He’s been caught out. Everyone has seen him being caught out thanks to media such as Campbell Live and the NZ Herald. Time to put down the desperate sophism and go home – better luck next time, mate.

          • Epping Road 22.5.2.1.1

            Do try to keep up Bill. Despite my share of abuse and people telling me to fuck off, I have been debating the issue with McFlock. It’s fair to say that we don’t agree but the debate has been civil. I don’t agree that he lied, or that he got caught out. Read the thread below 12.2.2.1 . I haven’t watched Campbell Live but I disagree with your statement that the Herald says Jackson lied.

            • Colonial Viper 22.5.2.1.1.1

              Capitalist shill

              Polite language

              Obscene values

              • Epping Road

                You’re relentless Colonial Viper. First you accuse me of being a PJ shill and then you attack me for not addressing that abuse I declare my (non)-interest with PJ and then you resort to calling me a capitalist shill. You’re still a troll. Too lazy to engage in discussion or to add to the debate you just throw abuse.

                • Epping Road you are one of the better propagandists that I have seen for a while.

                  I am interested though, your professed knowledge of the subject means either that you are heavily involved with Warners/Jackson or you are blowing smoke out of your arse.

                  Which is it?

                  • lprent

                    He already answered most of that in this comment – http://thestandard.org.nz/lies-and-sanctions/#comment-596456

                    But I agree he is a whole lot more interesting that the silly troll I dumped out earlier.

                  • pollywog

                    Fwiw I think he’s otm…

                  • Epping Road

                    Your first option is flattering but wrong mickysavage, as I’ve explained above which I suppose only leaves the “blowing smoke out of your arse” option.

                    I hope I haven’t indicated “professed knowledge of the subject”. I don’t know anything that isn’t on the public record. I have impressions and judgements based on what is on the public record and my conclusions based on those judgements are obviously different from yours.

                    I’ve certainly learned a lot in this thread; people challenging me on issues and quoting things that I haven’t seen before, and my position on some of those issues has changed.

                    The biggest one I would note, which only came to me in the last couple of hours, is why Jackson would write to Brownlee on October 18 that the blacklist, and the lifting of it, was not the issue that would see a loss of confidence by Warners, when all the other correspondence shows that the imposition of the blacklist was so obviously very near the heart of the dispute. Other issues such as Bryson and immigration visas irritations, but the blacklist was the crux of it.

                    The assumption I’ve drawn from that, and I admit it is an angle that hasn’t been raised because I’ve only just come up with it, is that Jackson couldn’t admit that the blacklist was the issue, and he almost certainly would have been instructed by Warners to make it clear that the blacklist was not the issue. Had he said that the blacklist was the reason that Warners was likely to pull out of NZ, even after the blacklist had been lifted, then SAG would have been entitled to slap a blacklist wherever Warners moved to in retaliation for Warners upping sticks from NZ.

                    Which is why in my view PJ couched the likelihood of Warners pulling the plug in terms of the general employment environment in the October 18 email.

                    • pollywog

                      Which is why I’ve always maintained that it wasn’t about moving sticks it was about canning the project.

                      That is to say, if it wasn’t going to be made in NZ it wasn’t going to be made at all.

                      I only wish Del Toro had directed and that Key weren’t such a corporate suckhole bankster.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      An interesting possible reason for the lies, ER. There may be hope for you yet! However, I’m pretty convinced he’s bullshitted his workers for the usual Tory reasons; power and control. And shitloads of taxpayer dollars for his mates.

                    • OK so you are blowing smoke. Thanks for that.

                    • Arfamo

                      I find your reasoning thoughtful and your posts worth reading ER. Wouldn’t this suggest the PJ AND the Government got played by Warners, who were probably actually only after the tax breaks then?

            • IrishBill 22.5.2.1.1.2

              Whatever.

              • Epping Road

                Your credibility on this issue was shot last night when you claimed you’d been at the protest and that there were no more than 150 protesters there. I pointed out to you a youtube video showing far more than that, and then you went silent.

                I have now seen the Campbell interview. Quite typically for him, he singled out one sentence in Jackson’s email of the 18th October, which read: “It seems like the blacklisting will be lifted tomorrow…”

                Campbell then didn’t include that in the same email PJ made it clear to Brownlee that Warners’ main concern was the lack of certainty in employment laws and based on MEAA’s actions Warners were looking to move the film. Which completely puts to rest your claim that the film was going ahead anyway on the day of the protest.

                IrishBill: You think you’re in a position to comment on my credibility? Take a week off.

                Also, I was curious to see what you were talking about vis-a-vis the protest numbers. It appears you’ve got mixed up – I was talking about the “spontaneous” protest after the evening meeting. Not the labour day one. If you’d calmed down a bit and check that before slagging me off you might not be banned right now. Never mind

                • Arfamo

                  How did a supposed lack of certainty about Labour laws end up with Jonkey caving in and foregoing millions in tax breaks? Suggests to me there was more to the whole rort on PJ and Warners’ part than just concern about the unions.

                  • Epping Road

                    Arfarmo I have addressed this in http://thestandard.org.nz/lies-and-sanctions/#comment-596398. My view is based on my reading of the emails and other public statements made by Key and others at the time.

                    • Arfamo

                      Fair enough. Thanks. Have gone back and read your other posts too. I don’t think Key was part of any conspiracy of the “evil wealthy class”. I think he just got expertly played by WB. Wouldn’t be surprised if thinks so now, too, though he’s maybe already just forgotten about it by now. He no doubt has many other more important things to fail to remember.

                • pollywog

                  Weak sauce IB imho!

    • Draco T Bastard 22.6

      Not trying to rewrite it – that would be the government, PJackson and other associated people of the right-wing. Everyone else is trying to get history correctly recorded.

      BTW, the people who marched at PJackson’s request were marching against the best interests.

  23. fenderviper 23

    ‘How can we stop this kind of barefaced lying from happening again?’

    Firing squad for all concerned should send appropriate message.

    Or just send them to Serco for an extended holiday in a cell.

    • McFlock 23.1

      bit much.

      a media that keeps notes might be useful.

      Query: is there a list of the occasions where John Key has said something that was actually true? It might be shorter than his list of lies.

      Sources would be nice, and it doesn’t count if he’s correcting a previous lie because he got caught.

      • gobsmacked 23.1.1

        a media that keeps notes might be useful.

        Or the opposition could call him on it.

        Like Winston did just now, in the House. He directly accused Key of “lying” (his word).

        (Shearer had the next supplementary and of course he did what he always does – he read out the next pre-written question. As if nothing had happened).

        Key gets away with this for one reason: he’s allowed to.

  24. aerobubble 24

    The high dollar was costing the Hobbit backers enough to consider moving it?
    So in order to save it Jackson started drolling, first to govt, then on live TV.
    The thing I don’t get was why Key used the issue to beat up on unions, and
    actively harm the prospects of the movies, as many would be movie goers
    would be unionists (or their parents who were paying the movie ticket).

    The brand, Hobbit, was besmirched by Key’s ideological hatred for labour unions.
    As for the whole union-contractor issue, the world union can still go out and
    boycott, anytime, anyplace it wants. It hasn’t, and won’t, which puts paid
    to the whole notion that there was some meaningful threat from the union.

  25. mac1 25

    There was a second paragraph in the Herald article worth noting.

    “And ministers who felt that there was no need to change labour laws for the filming of The Hobbit yesterday said they could not recall why they went ahead and changed them.”

    Another brain fade for the list.

  26. Rich 26

    Simple. Don’t let Tories vote.

  27. xtasy 27

    Was it Pinocchio who had a long nose, and was it also not a long nose attributed to those liberal with the truth? Whatever, it was no co-incidence, that even Gerry Brownlee commented on the rather big nose of Key in the Backbencher’s Pub in Wellington last night, it might ring some truth with it.

    Nose knows all about nose, I suppose, so yes, we have a gradual lifting of the mist above the lies and manipulations of NZ’s most corrupted, dishonest and manipulative government for decades.

    More will come out soon, and I am working on it myself. I have some delightful bits of information, and reliable sources, and there are complaints being handled at high levels.

    So wait on, take care, this bit of a “win” before the Supreme Court on the Maori Council’s challenge on water rights may make Key and gang feel a bit “high” and in party mood, just wait for what will come. You guys there will be held to account and there are many that know how rotten and dishonest this lot is, that runs NZ at present.

  28. weizguy 28

    I find this entire thread pretty disturbing. I understand many of the contributors have formed their opinion on this issue. However, I don’t understand why, instead of engaging with what appears to be a fairly reasonably held differing position, some contributors are simply casting abuse, making claims of “shill” and “troll” and then banning what appears to be the only person who can be bothered attempting to provide an alternative voice.

    I used to enjoy reading the comments here, because there are (and were) people who were interested in debate. I don’t see that anymore. It’s no sewer, but there doesn’t seem to be much tolerance for alternative views.

    It’s not my place to tell the writers of The Standard what to do, so I won’t. I’ll just say that for me, The Standard was better in the past, and I hope it can turn itself around.

    • framu 28.1

      i dont know weizguy – sure i havent read all of ERs comments (there IS a lot of them and they are very long)
      But he/she does seem to be engaging in a deliberate campaign of ignoring what others are saying and constantly shifting the goalposts. A lot of the language seems pretty passive aggressive to me.

      Also – they are all over this one subject with quite a bit of vigour and havent commented here before – if it quacks like a duck and all

      so ERs treatment is pretty expected based on the way they are commenting

      Theres also plenty of people who engage in quite civil debates yet hold different views here – even gosman gets treated fairly politely, even though everyone pretty much knows hes just here to shit stir

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    On the Left | 30-10
  • The idiot
    Here’s why this Steffan Browning/Ebola/Homeopathy thing is a really big deal for the Green Party. (a) Historically they’ve been stereotyped by their opponents as a bunch of nutters (b) The main focus of the party for the past five years –...
    DimPost | 30-10
  • The idiot
    Here’s why this Steffan Browning/Ebola/Homeopathy thing is a really big deal for the Green Party. (a) Historically they’ve been stereotyped by their opponents as a bunch of nutters (b) The main focus of the party for the past five years –...
    DimPost | 30-10
  • Climate change and New Zealand cities
    Environmentalists sometimes have an uneasy relationship with cities. Because they concentrate a lot of people and economic activity in relatively small places, they also concentrate a lot of negative environmental effects. All that concrete, all that energy being consumed, the...
    Transport Blog | 30-10
  • Got a mystery? Just ask John!
    Tuesday, November 24, 2009John Key has learned the identity of the entertainer guilty of an indecency charge through the grapevine of people circumventing the suppression order....
    Pundit | 30-10
  • Shameful attack on all workers
    The Government has passed the Employment Relations Amendment Act slashing the rights of all Kiwi workers. “These changes are shameful. New Zealand now has some of the worst employment protections in the OECD....
    CTU | 30-10
  • Blocked
    It is safe to say before the election last month I was fairly prolific in the blogosphere as we headed to an election. Was it because there was a glimmer of hope for we on this side of the coin?...
    My Thinks | 30-10
  • Blend with the Bruntletts Group Ride
    While Vancourerites Chris and Melissa Bruntlett are here for their Auckland Conversation talk, Generation Zero, Frocks on Bikes and TransportBlog have organised a slow, family friendly ride around the city centre. The map is below. The ride is designed to be self-directed so...
    Transport Blog | 30-10
  • Rawshark – Is she Maori or Pakeha?
    Cameron Slater blamed someone for being behind the hacking of his emails and passing them on to Nicky Hager. And then he named someone he thought was Rawshark. John Key says someone told him who Rawshark is but he ain’t telling. @B3nRaching3r is...
    Te Putatara | 30-10
  • Employment law: it’s toasted
    In an early episode of Mad Men, when the company’s going for the Lucky Strike account, sleazebag antihero Don Draper asks the client exactly how cigarettes are made. They talk through the process, mentioning the tobacco is toasted – and...
    On the Left | 30-10
  • Owners of the wind
    Thirty-odd years ago in the Kingdom of Denmark lived some brave people who disliked nuclear power and loved renewable energy. Determined to keep their country clean and safe, they began building their own wind turbines. Today, thanks to these passionate...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 30-10
  • Te Wakaputanga – What we did not learn at school
    This week saw the 179th anniversary of the signing of Te Wakaputanga, the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of Niu Tireni. Most of us did not learn about this fundamentally critical document at school, we barely learned about...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • NZ goes backwards on gender equality
    It is no coincidence that in the same week New Zealand is singled out for going backwards on child poverty under National,  we’ve also dropped in global rankings for gender equality. In one year New Zealand has dropped from 7th...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • TPPA Bulletin #58
    NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION 8 NOVEMBER 2014 Auckland, Hamilton, Raglan, Tauranga, Rotorua, Gisborne, New Plymouth, Napier, Palmerston North, Levin,Wellington, Nelson, Christchurch, Timaru, Dunedin,Invercargill. REGIONAL UPDATES Auckland (1:00 pm at Aotea Square): speakers include Robyn Malcolm (Actors Equity), Bunny McDiarmid (Greenpeace), Dayle Takitimu...
    NZ – Not for sale | 30-10
  • Seabed mining: drums in the deep
    Out on the Chatham Rise, the ridge jutting into the waters off Christchurch and extending out beyond the Chathams, Chatham Rock Phosphate has a mining permit and is now seeking EPA approval for its project to mine phosphate for fertiliser,...
    Pundit | 30-10
  • CTU Runanga calls on iwi leaders
    Maori workers are calling on iwi leaders to speak out against the employment law changes expected to go through today.“Iwi leaders have previously spoken out when workers in Aotearoa have been under attack, we believe they should do so again...
    CTU | 30-10
  • An unmanaged conflict
    Katherine Rich is a member of the government-appointed Health Promotion Agency, responsible for (as it says on its website) "inspiring all New Zealanders to lead healthier lives". Katherine Rich is also Chief Executive of the New Zealand Food and Grocery...
    No Right Turn | 30-10
  • Robert Fisk
    Isis in Syria: A general reveals the lack of communication with the US - and his country's awkward relationship with their allies-by-default...
    No Right Turn | 30-10
  • A stretch
    This morning the Herald revealed that Kim Dotcom had been convicted and fined for dangerous driving in 2009, but had not declared it on his application for residency. Immigration is now talking about deporting him. So, this is what we...
    No Right Turn | 30-10
  • Tauranga port happy to take the money – but not happy to accept responsib...
    Comments from a Port of Tauranga manager about deaths and injuries in their port during a Radio New Zealand interview are unacceptable....
    MUNZ | 30-10
  • New Ebola Toys for Xmas. Yay?
    From the "too soon?" file, here are two oddly successful exercises in niche marketing. First, the molecularly-sort-of-correct ebola plush toy. Apparently it has sold out: And, of course, the sexy ebola nurse outfit: Ebola, as everyone knows, ignores cleavage. And...
    Polity | 30-10
  • Temporary, discriminatory and an admission of Faliure
    The PM says that the legislation his government proposes to pass under urgency allowing for the confiscation of passports of NZ citizens in order to combat the threat of returning foreign fighters will be “tightly focused” on those traveling to...
    Kiwipolitico | 30-10
  • Climate change harming ocean health
    New Zealand is responsible for one of the largest areas of sea in the world – an area 14 times the size of our land area. The National Government is promising new marine protected areas legislation with a discussion document...
    frogblog | 30-10
  • Experiment-gate update
    Readers may recall the saga around an experimental mailer some Stanford / Dartmouth researchers sent into the state of Montana. In a randomised trial, it provided voters with some added information about two candidates running for a judicial election, and...
    Polity | 30-10
  • James Shaw speaks on the four Bills formerly known as the Accounting Infras...
    The assurance industry is a critical component of our economic framework. The idea that there is a trusted independent watchdog of the public interest underpins investor confidence and ensures financial probity on behalf of our country's leading institutions. New Zealand...
    Greens | 31-10
  • ANZ needs to look after its workers after another super profit
    The ANZ bank needs to acknowledge the super profits it makes are coming at the expense of its workers, the Green Party said today.Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited (ANZ) 2014 full year results show a lift in performance...
    Greens | 31-10
  • James Shaw’s maiden speech
    Tena Koe, Mr Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to speak a little of the past, the present and the future. The privilege to serve in this Parliament was given to me by all those who gave their...
    Greens | 31-10
  • Feed the kids members bill
    Education is the best route out of poverty. But hungry kids can't learn and are left trapped in the poverty cycle. Let's break that cycle lunchbox by lunchbox. We can feed the country's hungry kids, if we work together.I have...
    Greens | 31-10
  • Feed the kids members bill
    Education is the best route out of poverty. But hungry kids can't learn and are left trapped in the poverty cycle. Let's break that cycle lunchbox by lunchbox. We can feed the country's hungry kids, if we work together.I have...
    Greens | 31-10
  • National’s “Auckland housing boom” a fizzer
    Falling Auckland consent numbers show the Government’s housing policy is going backwards contrary to wild claims by Building and Housing Minister Nick Smith that we are on the cusp of a massive construction boom, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    Labour | 31-10
  • Job losses major blow to Bay community
    Job losses at Wattie’s Hastings plant will hit families and the community hard, Hawke’s Bay-based Labour MP Stuart Nash and MP for Ikaroa-Rawhiti Meka Whaitiri say. “I know a number of the Wattie’s staff and these job losses will be...
    Labour | 31-10
  • Local job losses major blow to Bay community
    Job losses at Wattie’s Hastings plant will hit families and the community hard, Hawke’s Bay-based Labour MP Stuart Nash and MP for Ikaroa-Rawhiti Meka Whaitiri say. “I know a number of the Wattie’s staff and these job losses will be...
    Labour | 31-10
  • Zero tolerance for forestry accidents a must
    The Government must adopt a zero tolerance approach to workplace accidents in the forestry sector to stop people being killed, Labour’s Forestry spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “It is time for the Government and the forestry sector to put an end...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Return to less holidays on the cards?
    John Key needs to lay his cards on the table regarding the Government’s intentions around holiday pay and annual leave entitlements, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “A day after National pushed through laws that take away the legal...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Forest Safety report first step in making our forests safe to work in
    Our forests are a very dangerous place to work. Between 2008 and 2013 there have been 32 fatalities and more than a thousand serious harm incidents in this industry. The Council of Trade Unions and First union have been doing...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Catherine Delahunty Speaks on the Employment Relations Amendment Bill
    Kia ora, Mr Assistant Speaker. He mihi nui ki te Whare Paremata. Welcome to the glorious 19th century, dressed up in the not-so-new flexibility-speak. At the final moment of this bill, let us drop the charade. The Government has a...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Ruataniwha Feds refuse to present a balanced view
    A bid to sell the Ruataniwha water project to Hawkes Bay farmers has turned in to an incredibly one sided affair, says Labours spokesperson on Water Meka Whaitiri.  “It’s being promoted as ‘Ruataniwha it’s now or never’ and it promises...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Worker’s rights dealt severe blow with Bill’s passing
    The passing of the Employment Relations Amendment Bill is another blow to workers' rights in New Zealand, the Green Party said today.This afternoon, National's Employment Relations Amendment Bill passed with the support of Act and United Future."This bill will force...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Barriers to reporting sex crimes must go
    Both the Government and police need to take action to ensure that, in future, sexual abuse victims know they will be taken seriously, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “The young women involved in the Roast Busters case, and...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Te Wakaputanga – What we did not learn at school
    This week saw the 179th anniversary of the signing of Te Wakaputanga, the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of Niu Tireni. Most of us did not learn about this fundamentally critical document at school, we barely learned about...
    Greens | 30-10
  • NZ goes backwards on gender equality
    It is no coincidence that in the same week New Zealand is singled out for going backwards on child poverty under National,  we’ve also dropped in global rankings for gender equality. In one year New Zealand has dropped from 7th...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Kevin Hague questions the Minister of Health on management of Katherine Ric...
    Is he satisfied that all conflicts of interest that arose by the head of Food and Grocery Council Katherine Rich being a member of the Health Promotion Agency were managed in accordance with the provisions of the Crown Entities Act...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Bennett parks numbers on social housing
    Social Housing Minister Paula Bennett admitted today that well over 1000 families have been subsidised through the accommodation supplement to stay in the Ranui campground, somewhere she has previously described as not the right place for children to be growing...
    Labour | 30-10
  • 50,000 sign petition against anti-worker law
    More than 50,000 Kiwis have signed Labour’s petition against the Government’s scrapping of tea break entitlements, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “That’s the equivalent of five people signing our petition every minute for a week. It shows the...
    Labour | 30-10
  • Address in Reply Debate – Dr Kennedy Graham on UN Security Council- 2...
    In the Speech from the Throne last week the Prime Minister identified the usual domestic goals for his Government. I counted 17. They are not my subject today. I wish instead to focus on matters beyond our shores. In the...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Climate change harming ocean health
    New Zealand is responsible for one of the largest areas of sea in the world – an area 14 times the size of our land area. The National Government is promising new marine protected areas legislation with a discussion document...
    Greens | 30-10
  • Key misled public over Jason Ede
    Information contained in a new chapter of the book Key: Portrait of a Prime Minister, that Jason Ede stopped working for the National Party on the night the book Dirty Politics was released, shows Mr Key and senior ministers hid...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Greenpeace report highlights better path for NZ agriculture
    A Greenpeace International report highlights a better way forward for New Zealand agriculture than the GE and chemical mutation technologies supported by Federated Farmers, and the National Government through its research funding packages, the Green Party said today. "This report...
    Greens | 29-10
  • BNZ post record profits while leaving savers vulnerable
    A small part of the $850 million record profit posted by the Bank of New Zealand (BNZ) today needs to be set aside to protect savers' deposits in the future, said Green Party Co-leader Dr Russel Norman today.Dr Norman was...
    Greens | 29-10
  • RBNZ U-turn shows monetary settings were wrong
    The Reserve Bank's U-turn on interest rates today shows monetary policy settings were wrong and New Zealanders have suffered unnecessarily through the loss of jobs and having to pay higher interest rates, the Green Party said today.Reserve Bank Governor Graeme...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Ports must take responsibility for shameful death toll
    Port companies must step up and take responsibility for a shameful toll of seven deaths and 133 serious accidents in the past three years, Labour MP Iain Lees-Galloway says. The frightening figures – released by the Rail, Maritime and Transport...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Please help me get my Feed the Kids Bill to Select Committee
    Last week I took over the Feed the Kids Bill that Hone Harawira had introduced to Parliament. If passed, my Bill will provide government-funded breakfast and lunch in all decile 1 and 2 schools. Hungry kids can’t learn and are...
    Greens | 29-10
  • TVNZ Outsourcing Pasifika and Maori Programmes
    I’ve always been a big fan of our state broadcaster and I’ve particularly liked their range of current events programmes. But after Friday’s announcement that TVNZ will be sacking up to 40 staff by contracting out the Pacific and Maori...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Labour urges iwi leaders to meet with National
    Labour’s Māori Caucus has called on iwi leaders and national Māori organisations to seek urgent meetings with the National Government to directly express their concerns about employment law changes which will harm Māori workers. In an open letter sent today...
    Labour | 29-10
  • ACC’s reputation needs fix, not glitz
    Restoring public trust and confidence in ACC will take a lot more than a new communications strategy or social media blitz, says Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway. “Under National, ACC has come to be perceived as insensitive, difficult to deal...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Lessons to be learned from police investigation
    The outcome of the so-called Roast Busters case should not put victims off reporting sexual crimes, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “This case has been mishandled from the start. Within days of police initially saying no charges had...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Anti-worker legislation is anti-Pacifica
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Peseta Sam Lotu-Iiga, will go down in history as being part of a Government that harmed his own people through anti-worker legislation, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “Pacific people are among...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Five-year tax holiday for overseas tax dodgers
    National has just gifted a five-year tax holiday for foreign companies dodging their tax payments, says Revenue spokesperson David Clark. “Todd McClay has pretended he is doing something about overseas companies dodging their tax duties by joining an international initiative...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Traffic Jam Tax must be given the red light
    Auckland Council’s proposed Traffic Jam Tax could cost some households thousands of dollars a year just to use roads they had already paid for with their taxes and must be rejected, says Labour’s transport and Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 29-10
  • National has chance to show leadership on limos
    The National Party has the opportunity to show leadership by transitioning our vehicle fleet towards renewable electricity when a new contract to supply Government limousines for VIPs goes to tender next month, the Green Party said today. "This is a...
    Greens | 29-10
  • The Māori Party can’t have it both ways over labour laws
    The Māori Party has to fess up over its voting record on the Employment Relations Amendment Bill, says Labour’s Māori Caucus.  “It’s simply not good enough to oppose the bill at the same time  as they helped speed up its progress through...
    Labour | 29-10
  • Equal pay and the aged care sector
    Today the High Court upheld the historic ruling by the Employment Court that our Equal Pay Act could be used to consider work of equal value cases; the government has been telling the UN and ILO that it could for...
    Greens | 29-10
  • Court case perfect opportunity for Government to improve gender pay gap
    If the Government wants to halt New Zealand’s slump in international rankings on the gender pay gap it should act on the court finding that women deserve equal wages, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Sue Moroney says. “The World Economic Forum’s...
    Labour | 28-10
  • All Auckland transport options should be considered
    All options for meeting Auckland's transport needs should be considered, including reprioritising the transport budget away from wasteful spending on motorways, the Green Party said today.Auckland mayor Len Brown is today releasing a transport report by the Independent Advisory Board,...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Another report highlights Govt failure on child poverty
    An international report measuring the impact of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) on child poverty rates, showing children in New Zealand have done worse than children in other countries, is further proof the Government needs to urgently take additional steps...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Address and Reply Debate Part 55: Inequality and Disability
    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Address and Reply Debate Part 55: Inequality and Disability
    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Child poverty: No more wake-up calls
    A new report which shows the National Government has made no inroads whatsoever into child poverty should do more than just set alarm bells ringing, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “UNICEF’s  latest Innocenti Report Card highlights the fact...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Eugenie Sage speaks in the 2014 Address in Reply Debate
    I congratulate you, Assistant Speaker Mallard, as Assistant Speaker and look forward to your knowledge, your fairness, and your light touch in being a referee of proceedings in this House. I congratulate also the other Assistant Speaker, Lindsay Tisch; the...
    Greens | 28-10
  • James Shaw’s Maiden Speech
    Tena Koe, Mr Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to speak a little of the past, the present and the future. The privilege to serve in this Parliament was given to me by all those who gave their...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Govt airs real views on public broadcasting
    An admission by the Government that it is happy to experiment with Pacific and Maori audiences shows just how weak its vision for public broadcasting in New Zealand is, Labour’s Broadcasting spokesperson Kris Faafoi says. “National today admitted it doesn’t...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Does Judith Collins have a get out of jail card?
    Former justice minister Judith Collins appears to have been gifted a get out of jail free card based on the Prime Minister’s answers in Parliament today, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “Judith Collins claimed in an Official Information...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Solid Energy decision delay sensible
    Today’s announcement by the Board of Solid Energy that it will delay making a final decision on re-entering the Pike River mine is a sensible move, Labour’s MP for  West Coast-Tasman Damien O’Connor says. “It has been clear for some...
    Labour | 28-10
  • New York Green Bank off to a $1B start
    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced late last week the New York Green Bank’s first NZD$1 billion tranche of green energy investments. The projects, which are difficult for the private sector to finance, are now possible by New York Green...
    Greens | 28-10
  • The Final Fifth: The Last Great Task for Progressive New Zealand.
    MOST OF NEW ZEALAND’S social problems are concentrated among those living at the margins of what is otherwise a relatively wealthy society. Recently released international data on child poverty has exposed an acutely stressed social strata encompassing roughly 20 percent...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • Myth Busting Rape Boasters
    In just one week a case that galvanised a nation into discussing rape culture is now being reframed as mischievous teen hi-jinx. One year ago the Roast Busters case came to the attention of the media and the public. This...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • Workers rights weakened by new laws – fightback needed
    The government’s changes to the employment laws are designed to weaken workers bargaining power – at both the individual and collective level.   30-day rule The old law required an employer with a collective agreement in place to employ new...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Simon Buckingham – Where are Labour Candidates on disability?
    For the few people who know me (hello Mum), I am proudly New Zealand’s first Autistic Spectrum Lawyer, as well as being the very bottom Candidate on the Labour Party List. (64 out of 64). Being honoured like this is...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Blockade the Budget
    The ‘Independent’ Police Conduct Authority’s report into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash The report released by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash riddled with inaccuracies....
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • When National claim new anti worker laws provide ‘flexibility’ they mea...
    And so it comes to pass. The first law National ram through as part of their victory march are new anti worker laws they pretend will generate ‘flexibility’. The new law denigrate the unions ability to protect workers and provide...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • City Transport: A Taxing Matter
    This week the prospect of paying tolls on Auckland motorways became a hot topic. (See Mathew Dearnaley:Motorway tolling could hit some hard, NZ Herald, 30 Oct 2014.) As we might expect, the kneejerk response has been quite negative. But, as with...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Open Letter to Amy Adams: Please Reopen The Review Into Sexual Violence Cou...
    Ms Amy Adams, Justice and Courts Minister, Right now in this country it seems that although rape is illegal, it is not being prevented by the agents who uphold the law. It almost feels like rape is only illegal on paper,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmm
    Every so often in politics, a public figure comes out with something so absurd and so outlandish … that it really does just make you go “Hmmmmmmmmmm”. We’re accustomed to this from certain quarters – by mid point through the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Poverty & inequality don’t need protest marches – they need a riot:...
    The global level of inequality continues to skyrocket… Number of billionaires doubled since financial crisis The number of billionaires has doubled since the start of the financial crisis, according to a major new report from anti-poverty campaigners. According to Oxfam,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • If Key knows who Rawshark is…
    I’m sorry, what? John Key ‘given Rawshark’s name’The Prime Minister believes he knows who hacked Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater’s computer and produced the source material for Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics, according to a new edition of a recently published...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Child Poverty stats in NZ
    Child Poverty stats in NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Crimes Act + Police Investigation = WTF
    Just to frame the farce that is the Roastbuster’s investigation and conclusion – here are the parts of the Crime Act http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/whole.html#DLM329057  the Roastbusters are proven to have violated – that the police (and some suspects!) themselves acknowledge occurred: Crimes...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Publishing Journalists’ Home Addresses Is A Tactic Of The Right, Not The ...
    I think I’m starting to get rather annoyed with the conduct of some pro-MANA people over this ongoing Parliamentary Services crew complement issue. Yes, we get that there are legitimate issues to be raised with how some political reporters in...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Aucklanders caught between a tarseal-addicted government and a weak mayor
    Len Brown’s proposal for motorway tolls to reduce congestion and provide funding for better public transport is a weak response to a critical issue. The $12 billion dollar shortfall on transport funding he talks about is mainly for projected new...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • A Very Weird Story: Deconstructing Darren Aronofsky’s Noah.
    NOAH is a curious movie. Conceived as a biblical epic, it’s target audience was originally the millions of Americans who regard the Bible as God’s inerrant word. With the sin-filled works of Hollywood forbidden to these true-believers, Christian movie-makers have developed...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • You Can Get Away With Rape In New Zealand
    Jessie Hume with last years petition against rape     The police have sent a strong message today.  In fact they’ve been sending a strong message for a while; a message that our government supports. “You can literally get away...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Roast Buster case – no charges. In the immortal words of NWA…
    Roast Busters case: No prosecutions Police are to make an announcement this afternoon on Operation Clover, the investigation into the “Roast Busters” allegations. The Herald understands the victim has been told that the alleged offenders will not be prosecuted due...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Key’s flag change distraction to cost $26million!
    No. Way. Bid to change NZ flag to cost millions The cost of holding two referendums and consulting on a change of flag has been estimated to be just under $26 million. Look. We all appreciate that the sleepy hobbits...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Why NZ Herald’s Labour Party crocodile tears are so audacious
    The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away with it No one can take the recent columns by NZ Herald seriously… John Armstrong: Shadow lingers on National John Roughan: Labour’s leadership vote matters...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • The beginning of the end of Cameron Slater?
    Slater postings on man bizarre, court told A businessman has changed his appearance and had to install extra security at his home after Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater posted his business and personal documents online, he says. Mr Slater has...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • We are a milk power republic and Fonterra our unelected senate
    Wow. Just wow… Deputy mayor says he’ll be sacked South Taranaki deputy mayor Alex Ballantyne says he expects to be sacked because he has spoken out about the impact gasses coming from dumped Fonterra dairy products have had on his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: “…But *actually* this is about ethics in political-game jo...
    Yesterday, a piece of mine on the recent revelations about Hone Harawira employing several gentlemen either accused or convicted of sex offences was published on The Daily Blog. Predictably, given the fierce loyalty which Hone inspires in his party faithful and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Privilege cheque
    There was no race problem in my childhood. Living in central Wellington I was well-insulated from what was going on not so far away. This was the 60s and 70s, where the teachers enjoyed free love in the staff room...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • A brief word on Key’s claim that it will be raining carnage
    Isis will ‘rain carnage on the world’ – John Key Left unchecked Isis would “rain carnage on the world”, Prime Minister John Key says, but he has yet to make a decision on whether New Zealand troops will join a...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
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    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • How does Andrew Little win Labour Leadership and unify the caucus?
    Audrey Young’s excellent column on how the Caucus vote  is shaping up shows how Andrew Little becomes the next leader of the Labour Party. She identifies the factions as the following… Andrew Little 6: Andrew Little, David Cunliffe, Iain Lees Galloway,...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Right of response to Curwen
    You have asked that Hone Harawira deserves to explain what happened, how would he explain when his next door neighbour is an alleged sex offender. What explanation can Hone offer he wasn’t involved, Hone had no idea this offending was...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: That Hella-Weird Feeling When You Defend Tova O’Brien
    Oh dear. Yesterday morning I blogged that Hone deserved a chance to explain what exactly had happened as applies his office’s Parliamentary Services crew complement – and, importantly, that we deserve to be able to judge him on the strength of...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Canadian Green MP warns against harsh anti-terror measures
    Canada’s Green Party has provided a welcome counterpoint to Prime Minister Harper’s call for tougher anti-terrorism laws in the wake of a soldier outside the Canadian Parliament. On October 22, while she was still locked in her parliamentary office, Green...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • When is an asset sale not an asset sale? When it robs from the poor and ste...
    National have turned state housing on its head. At no time during the 2014 election did the Key Government even hint that they were going to privatise 30% of the Housing NZ stock of state homes. Not once. Key even...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part To...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Rua) . Bill English comes clean on National’s intentions for HNZ privatisation . On 14 October, in a report on The Daily Blog, I wrote, In...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • The Questions Have Been Asked – They Deserve An Answer
    A few days ago, allegations that had been percolating for some time about Hone Harawira employing three either accused or convicted sex offenders on his Parliamentary pay-roll came to light. (one imprisoned before working for MANA; one who found himself convicted and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • I have seen one future, and it is bleak
    . . Back in  March 2012, I wrote this story regarding a march to support striking workers at Ports of Auckland. It appears there was some prescience about some of my observations at the time… . | | 18 March...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • US air strike war Key wants us in has killed a civilian a day so far
      The US air strike war that John Key wants us to join has killed a civilian a day so far. From the Washington Post... The United States launched its first airstrikes on militants in Syria on Sept. 23, and has continued...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • The instant Jihad syndrome
    My favourite new term is ‘self-radicalised’ – it suggests the reasons for terrorism are totally divorced from the actions of the West. This need to suddenly ramp up terror laws because of lone wolf, self-radicalised Jihadists seems convenient and counter-productive....
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • We have nothing to fear from Ebola but fear itself
    I suspect most Americans perceive Ebola like this   I can’t work out if the fear being spread within the media about Ebola is deliberate or just ignorance. Yes Ebola is a terrible plague that kills a large percentage of...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – “Meritocracy? I wish.”
    I’d like to start by linking to a post I had published at another site in support of Nanaia Mahuta for the Labour Party leadership election.  She has a reasonable chance, given that she already has the endorsement of Te...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Chocolate milk shortage and creepy Santa? Let’s talk about real news
    Child poverty is still a scarily serious problem in this country and house prices are soaring through the roof to the point where it is simply impossible for the average New Zealander to buy a home. There is also little...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • It’s time to celebrate Kiwi schools and teachers
    Some would have you believe that New Zealand’s schools are in a state of collapse, that your children are not being educated well and that things are going to hell in a hand basket.  That there is no innovation, no...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Ideological Blitzkrieg – Privatization of state housing, more charter sch...
    Pundits in pundit land will tell you that this Government is boring, that Key is the great pragmatist and that it is his ability to create elegant solutions that keeps him the firm favourite in many Kiwi eyes. This ability...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • Hegemony rules but resistance is fertile
    The Prime Minister is a puppet. Not just our current Prime Minister, but given the forces of multinational globalisation, the role of any head of state, is less as independent actor, and more as a puppet of international trends and...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • An open Letter to Sir Bob Jones: demanding a ‘liveable wage’ is not “...
    How out of touch with reality is Sir Bob Jones? You know, that white dude who invested in privatised SOEs after the selling off of our assets in the eighties and made a ludicrous and disgusting amount of money and is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • My insecurity about the Security Council
    As I write this (on 24 October) it is international UN Day. Of course, you all knew that already, right? Well, the day celebrates the entry into force of the UN Charter in 1945. With the ratification of this founding...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Back in That House
    Parliament opened this week and I still find it a very odd place. Most of the people are reasonably courteous and friendly, but the rituals are archaic and the rules around issues like the swearing in oath are oppressive and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Marae Investigates No More
    TVNZ yesterday announced the closure of their Māori and Pacific programmes department. That means they’ve chosen to stop making Fresh, Tagata Pasifika, Waka Huia and Marae Investigates to let independent producers get their hands on these lucrative contracts. This is...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • BLOGWATCH: An Un-Civil War in Labour, eh?
    Earlier today, my attention was directed to an entry that’s just recently appeared on the Slightly Left of Centre blog. It purports to contain the ‘inside word’ from a highly placed NZF source – which is funny, because I’m pretty sure...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Santanomics 101
    Santanomics could mean a number of things. It could be the study and practice of giving. Or it could mean the study and practice of rampant end-of-year commercialism. However, for me today it is the economics of erectingAuckland’s giant Santa...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • SkyCity boss misleads public over workers lost shifts
    SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison has defended the employment practices at his company in an “Opinion” piece entitled “Human Capital key to corporate success” in the NZ Herald on Thursday. A number of his claims are misleading, contain only partial truths...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Roast Busters: Turn Indignation into Action
    People raged about the Roast Buster case. The indignation was justified – it was horrible. “Where were their parents!?” Fair question. I am sure the Roast Busters’ parents and the victims’ parents all wish they had been more proactive in...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Stats NZ only have themselves to blame for postponement
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says Statistics NZ only have themselves to blame for the indefinite postponement of the release of the Food Price Index: November 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • NZ Diversity Survey – benchmarking workplace diversity
    AUT University’s New Zealand Work Research Institute (NZWRI) has released a report on diversity in New Zealand workplaces....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Māori Language (Te Reo Māori) Bill
    Tutehounuku Korako, Chair of the Māori Affairs Committee, is inviting further public submissions on this bill. The closing date for submissions is Friday, 5 December 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • ERA amendments a mixed bag
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act has the potential to put vulnerable workers in a more precarious position, says Equal Opportunities Commissioner, Dr Jackie Blue. However, the commissioner says the right for all to request flexible work hours is...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Sensible Sentencing calls for appeal of judicial activivism
    The Sensible Sentencing Trust is appalled that Justice Jill Mallon has today refused to apply the Life without Parole (LWOP) provisions of the Three Strikes law as enacted by Parliament....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Global Rally against ISIS – for Kobanê – for Humanity, Nov 1
    The New Zealand Kurdish Community will march in solidarity with Kurdistan as part of the “GLOBAL RALLY AGAINST ISIS – FOR KOBANÊ – FOR HUMANITY” on 1 November 2014, 2pm....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Safer roads are better for everyone
    Recent pedestrian versus vehicle incidents highlight the real issues being addressed by delegates as the 2Walk and Cycle conference concludes....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Law change creates more flexible labour market
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act, passed yesterday, will bring new flexibility to the labour market and will reduce the ability of unions to organise and to recruit....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Bumper ANZ profits mean no excuse for insecure hours
    A big rise in profits at New Zealand's largest bank needs to be reflected in a better pay offer and more security around hours of work, the bank workers’ union said today....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Count down to lowered alcohol limit
    With just a month to go until a new lower alcohol limit for adult drivers comes into effect, Police and road safety agencies are reminding drivers of the impending change....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • WorkSafe Supports Forestry Review Findings
    WorkSafe NZ says the Independent Forestry Safety Review has clearly identified the problems facing an industry in which ten workers were killed last year. “The Review’s analysis matches our own view and leaves no doubt about the need for comprehensive,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU welcomes forestry review recommendations
    The CTU is welcoming the today's release of the independent forestry safety review panel findings. "These recommendations must be implemented to ensure that everything possible is done to make forestry safer." CTU President, Helen Kelly said....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Activists will confront animal abusers
    Today animal rights activists will confront a group of wealth advisers who want to build the biggest egg factory-farm in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Turia: Women’s Refuge Conference 2014
    This is a milestone moment in my life. This will be my last official address as Co-leader of the Maori Party. On Saturday night at our Hui-a-Tau, I will be standing down from that role and enabling a new co-leader,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rodeo Code of Welfare ‘Sick Joke’
    Animal advocacy organisation SAFE says the revised Code of Welfare for Rodeos just released is nothing but a sick joke. “Rodeo animals are goaded, tormented and forced to endure needless suffering and gross mistreatment, all for the sake of so-called...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Conservative Party applauds binding referenda on flag
    The Conservative Party are congratulating the Government on the decision to hold two binding referendums to decide the fate of New Zealand’s flag – and believes it will pave the way for binding referenda to form part of New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Walk the Talk – Opposing violence against women
    Soroptimist International of Auckland have organised a walk on 22 November from Silo Park at the Wynyard Quarter through the Viaduct and back to Silo Park, to show their opposition to violence against women. This event hopes to raise awareness...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Recommendations on the Design of Pecuniary Penalties
    The Law Commission has reviewed the use of pecuniary penalties as a regulatory tool. Pecuniary penalties are financial penalties that policymakers are increasingly opting to use in place of criminal sanctions in order to punish and deter misconduct in...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Every worker will be affected by employment law changes
    Every worker will feel the effects of the government’s new employment laws and should join a union if they want to maintain and increase their wages and conditions, says New Zealand’s largest private sector union, the EPMU....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Shameful attack on all workers
    The Government has passed the Employment Relations Amendment Act slashing the rights of all Kiwi workers. “These changes are shameful. New Zealand now has some of the worst employment protections in the OECD. It is embarrassing that a country which...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Unnecessary law changes more to do with ideology
    The government’s employment law changes are simply ideological and are at odds with its approach in the related areas of health and safety and immigration law, FIRST Union said tonight....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU Runanga calls on iwi leaders
    Maori workers are calling on iwi leaders to speak out against the employment law changes expected to go through today. “Iwi leaders have previously spoken out when workers in Aotearoa have been under attack, we believe they should do so...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Educating children not the best solution to alcohol harm
    Alcohol Healthwatch says we need to look beyond educating children and young people to address deeply embedded attitudes and behaviours concerning alcohol....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • New code of welfare for rodeos released
    New standards to strengthen the animal welfare requirements for rodeos have been issued today by the Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • IPCA report riddle with inaccuracies, say students
    A report by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is riddled with inaccuracies, say students who laid the original complaint with the IPCA....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CT v The Queen – indecency convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rameka v The Queen – murder convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Auckland Council Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald article that some Auckland households will face a rates rise of up to 9.6 per cent next year, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “Len Brown’s pledge to cap rates rises at 2.5 per...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Stats NZ staff escalate action with ‘no more meetings’ rule
    Statistics NZ staff have voted to escalate their ongoing industrial action in an effort to get Stats NZ back to the bargaining table with a reasonable offer. The staff, who are members of the Public Service Association (PSA), have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Rape Crisis calls for changes to criminal justice system
    Wellington Rape Crisis has added its voice to the public outcry following the announcement that there will be no charges in the teen rape gang case. Butterworth says the decision not to lay charges will not have been a surprise...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Police action justified in Blockade the Budget demonstration
    Police actions in dealing with a demonstration in Central Auckland known as Blockade the Budget on 1 June 2012 were justified and appropriate, an Independent Police Conduct Authority report released today found....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • NZDF Joins with Australia to Commemorate WWI Centenary
    A contingent of New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel will join their Australian counterparts at Australia’s first major commemoration of the First World War centenary in Albany, Western Australia this weekend....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Reserve Bank should reduce interest rate
    “The Reserve Bank should be reducing its policy interest rate, the OCR”, says CTU Economist Bill Rosenberg in response to the Bank’s announcement today that it is not increasing it....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • 2015 Stout Fellow will write about Māori & Criminal Justice
    Kim Workman, founder and advocate for the Robson Hanan Trust, which administers the Rethinking Crime and Punishment and Justspeak initiatives, has been awarded the 2015 John David Stout Fellowship at Victoria University....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • What John Key thought about ‘dirty politics’
    On September 20, John Key swept to victory to become one of New Zealand’s most successful and popular Prime Ministers. Rocked by scandal, the 2014 election campaign was one of the most brutal – and riveting – in recent history....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Trade Deal Threatens Farmers and Food Businesses
    The secret Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations are a direct threat to food businesses and farmers, and a moratorium on the release of GE crops must be enshrined in law before the TPP is signed....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • CTU announces election of new Secretary
    The contested election for the position of CTU Secretary has been won by Sam Huggard. Sam officially takes office on Monday 1 December 2014. Sam has worked in the union movement and brings a wealth of experience and a commitment...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kim Workman awarded 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship
    The Victoria University of Wellington 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship, funded by the Stout Trust, has been awarded to justice reform advocate Kim Workman. Mr Workman (Ngati Kahungungu ki Wairarapa, Rangitaane) is well known for his work on criminal justice,...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • TPPA causing concern
    Concern over the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) negotiations is being expressed in two public meetings over the next week; one at a presentation on 5th November by former councillor Robin Gwynn to the Napier City Council, the...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kiwis rally to demand justice for ‘Roast Buster’ survivors
    Over 1,500 kiwis have rallied to demand justice after the announcement of the NZ Police decision not to lay charges in the ‘Roast Busters’ saga....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • New employment law will hurt the most vulnerable NZers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says changes to the Employment Relations Act, expected to be passed in Parliament tonight, will hurt vulnerable workers and their families more than anyone....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Consultation to close on proposed place names
    The New Zealand Geographic Board (NZGB) Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa today advised that only one month remains before public consultation closes for 18 name proposals for geographic features and places around Te Ika ā Māui (the North Island)....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Operation Clover – Statement from Police Commissioner
    I have taken a close interest in this investigation and I am confident police have conducted a thorough and professional enquiry in what has been a challenging and complex case. The Operation Clover team has ensured that victims have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Better policy would have protected children from recession
    Child Poverty Action Group says an international report released by UNICEF today shows good policy can protect and improve child well-being, even during a recession....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Outcome of Operation Clover investigation
    Police have completed a multi-agency investigation, Operation Clover, into the activities of a group calling themselves “The Roast Busters”. The 12 month enquiry focused on incidents involving allegations of sexual offending against a number of girls...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • False birth registration brings home detention
    A Whangarei woman who attempted to register the birth of a fictitious child to claim a sole parent benefit was sentenced to six months home detention in the Whangarei District Court today....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Family of Robert Ellis demand a proper investigation
    The family of a New Zealander killed in Indonesia are growing increasingly concerned at the lack of information they’ve received, and the handling of the investigation into his murder....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Minister of Health must account for aged care workers’ pay
    The New Zealand Federation of Business and Professional Women (BPW NZ) congratulates rest-home worker Kristine Bartlett on her landmark claim for equal pay from her employer and successfully pursuing this to the Court of Appeal....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
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