Some big issues are going to be thrashed out at the Green Party conference.
Should MPs have the right to dissent from the party line without being thrown out of parliament?
Should Party caucus’s have the right to over rule the membership?
The battle lines are being drawn between those who want to give power to the executives to ignore their membership, and give power to the executives to expel dissenting MPs. And between those who want to protect the right of the membership and parliamentary dissenters to be heard.
Free speech is a topical hot potato out in society, but also inside parliament, and also, inside the Green Party.
Yesterday Pete George related a quote from Nandor Tanczos;
Pete George1
18 August 2018 at 7:03 am
“Freedom of expression is often one of the first victims of a successful socialist revolution”.
Like PG I think it is noteworthy that Tanczos has made this comment in the current political environment. It has not come out of a vacuum.
Tanczos comment was made against a background of debate inside the Green Party, over caucus over ruling the membership.
And especially as the Green Party’s caucus’s decision to back the NZ First’s Waka Jumping Bill, which is also an infringement of free speech in parliament, because it gives party executives the right to over rule MPs right to free speech under threat of expulsion from parliament.
Most Green Party members, (And apparently, at least three leading Green Party ex-MPs), believe that these two things, are an attack on parliamentary and party democracy.
And they are right.
But I would go further than this, and argue that both these two things put together actually spell the end of the Green Party, at least as far as being a parliamentary force, by limiting the Green Party’s ability to lobby and influence other MPs to support the issues that they hold dear.
(Principally the protection of the biosphere from the multiple assaults from the corporate polluters, whose well funded lobbyists have the ear of the bigger parties.)
I don’t think it goes too far, to say that these two changes will see the Green Party caucus captured by the bigger parties. And the end of any minority dissenting political voice in parliament.
I would go even further to suggest that these two changes will accelerate the traditional process of smaller parties becoming shaded out and marginalised by the bigger more conservative parties in parliament. A process which eventually leads to voter collapse for the smaller party.
Waka Jumping: Former MPs hope Greens conference will make party pull support
HENRY COOKE – @stuff.co.nz, August 18, 2018
They should stop debating this meaningless process crap and start really celebrating their significant successes within this government. Shaw did a useful job of it yesterday. Shaw and Sage have been the people delivering actual policy results. The Greens will do better than 5% if they do a better job of showing how effective they are.
For once I agree with you Ad about the “meaningless crap” Waka bill. Yes “technically” it might curb individual rights but when looked at the practical reality, without the Waka jumping bill it was used in more destructive ways to reduce democracy and bribe or manipulate the electoral process and balance of power. We have plenty of examples!
Hopefully the significant successes are still to come, but the Greens are in government which should be celebrated and hopefully they and Labour and NZ First can work together to make a much greater positive environmental impact as well as start reversing the effects of devastating Natz social and environmental policy over the past decade.
Hi Ad,
I know for a fact that some New Zealand First MPs are drawn to some Green Party positions on the environment. And at least a couple have some quite progressive views, especially around climate change.
The Waka Jumping Bill clearly targets the Greens. The Waka Jumping Bill will act to curb any influence the Greens may have on other MPs in parliament, who may harbour some sympathy for their views. Under threat of dismissal by their executives, no NZ First or Labour MP will want to take up a position that supports a Green position against their Party’s position.
“The Greens will do better than 5% if they do a better job of showing how effective they are.”
Ad
But even you Ad, must realise that the Green Party’s ability to be effective in swaying parliament from a minority position will be harmed by the Waka Jumping Bill.
Any MPs from any of the other parties who might be convinced of supporting a Green Party bill, on any issue that their executive disagrees with, can now be disciplined or threatened by that executive if they don’t fall into line.
And as history has proved, a minor Party that cannot get any wins on the board will be seen as ineffective and a wasted vote even by their own supporters.
If this bill is used to its full extent against the Green Party by the other governing parties, I can see the Green’s effectiveness in influencing parliament being severely curtailed.
If, as you maintain Ad, the Green Party’s electoral success is going to be measured by how “effective they are” then by this measure their vote must go down, not up.
Under threat of dismissal by their executives, no NZ First or Labour MP will want to take up a position that supports a Green position against their Party’s position.
They’re actually there to support their party’s position – not their position.
But even you Ad, must realise that the Green Party’s ability to be effective in swaying parliament from a minority position will be harmed by the Waka Jumping Bill.
No it won’t.
Any MPs from any of the other parties who might be convinced of supporting a Green Party bill, on any issue that their executive disagrees with, can now be disciplined or threatened by that executive if they don’t fall into line.
Wrong.
The support will happen in the background. The Green Executive is supporting the Waka Jumping bill because they’ve got wins elsewhere from NZ1st.
And as history has proved, a minor Party that cannot get any wins on the board will be seen as ineffective and a wasted vote even by their own supporters.
The Green Party is getting ‘wins’ all over the freaking show and they’re not being quiet about it so why do you think that they’re not getting anywhere? Too busy consulting with your navel?
If this bill is used to its full extent against the Green Party by the other governing parties
I’m pretty sure that that can’t happen.
If, as you maintain Ad, the Green Party’s electoral success is going to be measured by how “effective they are” then by this measure their vote must go down, not up.
Which is you talking out your arse.
The Greens have got wins from this. Wins that they wouldn’t have got if they’d not supported it through.
And remember, the majority of people support this legislation and so the Greens are more likely to get even more support from the populace because their support of it.
In relation to that, how would it apply to the Green party with 2 co-leaders?
Say a situation arose whereby both co-leaders wern’t happy with each other and sought a 2/3 caucus majority to expel each other from Parliament – what then?
This law makes the taking of political vengeance out of the voters hands and places it in the hands of any errant dictator who holds the leadership of a party.
It really is the ‘World according to Winston’ and it is sad that the long principled Green party is aiding and abetting this legislative paranoia.
From now on, if you aspire to be an MP, you must do so under the duress that you are accountable to voters once every three years but beholden to your party leader every day of every year.
I would argue that even list MPs have been put in their positions by a democratic process, and should only be removed by a democratic process, and not by fiat from the executive.
That the democratic process that list MPs are chosen on, is an internal party one, makes it no less a democratic process.
And that in fact they do have a mandate that they represent through that process.
A list MP, (even just by the very nature of their method of selection), who may be more in-touch with the feelings of the grass roots party membership. When it comes to a difference, or dispute between Party and caucus, might feel moved to defy the executive and stand with the membership. In that situation, for this to be grounds for the executive to dismiss that MP from parliament would clearly be undemocratic.
If the executive or caucus really do have an issue with a list MP then they should only be allowed to put it back to the membership for a decision on whether or not that MP be sacked from parliament.
whatever you think of the waka jumping bill, Shaw and co are in the business of government, while Jeanette Fitzsimons and Sue Bradford are in the business of giving virtuoso performances as to why they were not.
You are right . Big but . Imagine if labour and nzf were only one seat ahead of nact. How easy would it be for the nats to destabilise and even pull down the gov . The same goes for a rogue list mp(I’m not forgetting the greens this is just a scenario)
For the good of mmp waka jumping or dismissed list mps must leave parliament if they quit or are fired from their party .
“Imagine if labour and nzf were only one seat ahead of nact. How easy would it be for the nats to destabilise and even pull down the gov .”
bwaghorn
Hi Waghorn.
Jeanette Fitzsimmons argues against your premise, because she feels that the Labour and New Zealand MPs would back away from this bill, and wouldn’t take the risk of crashing the government. And that if the Green Party Caucus refused to be intimidated by NZ First and Labour, and instead mustered the courage to call their bluff, they would not take the risk of crashing the government by pushing this bill through against Green Party opposition.
“The opposition to the party hopping bill now is because it’s wrong. It’s because it denies MPs basic freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of thought – it’s contrary to the bill of rights and to our policy.”
Fitzsimons doesn’t believe the Government would fall apart if the Greens pulled their support for the bill.
“I simply don’t buy the line that Jacinda [Ardern] and [Winston] Peters would say ‘oh we don’t want to be Government any more so let’s let it all collapse because we didn’t get this bill through.’ I mean really?”
But it’s not just about crashing the gummint is it? NZF have supported a lot of environmental stuff that they can’t be happy with and there will be more. A dysfunctional government would be just as disastrous.
You don’t think there will be any more environmental policy this term? How will the Greens supporting this bill mean they won’t achieve anything more? You make no sense.
Makes perfect sense.
The Waka Jumping Bill makes no sense except as a means to keep the Greens in line.
Being the smallest partner in a three Party coalition, the Green Party can only get policy through with the support of other progressive or sympathetic MPs outside of their party.
Well that ain’t gonna happen now that their executives can threaten to chuck them out, if they dare depart from the party line to support a Green Party policy, either in Committee, or on the Floor of the House.
Meaning of course, that for the most part no Green Party policy will ever see the light of day.
And the Greens will disappear into irrelevancy, becoming little more than a dead end appendix attached to the side of the mainstream legislative digestive system. Maybe getting a little inflamed now and then, resulting in a little bit of heartburn. But on the whole manageable, and longer term on the waiting list for an appointment to be prepped to be completely excised, come 2020.
Yes that’s right, because there is this large group of National MPs who are rearing to cross the floor at any opportunity they can to support Green policy.
Meanwhile, a good relationship between coalition partners allows for each coalition agreement to be met.
Jeanette Fitzsimmons argues against your premise, because she feels that the Labour and New Zealand MPs would back away from this bill, and wouldn’t take the risk of crashing the government. And that if the Green Party Caucus refused to be intimidated by NZ First and Labour, and instead mustered the courage to call their bluff, they would not take the risk of crashing the government by pushing this bill through against Green Party opposition.
That is not a valid position.
This isn’t the Greens giving in and getting nothing for it. They’ve got wins elsewhere for their support. NZ1st get this win, Greens get a win elsewhere and we end up with a functioning government rather than one that can’t do anything.
First they stated they inadvertently accepted it in their agreement with Labour. So I don’t see NZF unnecessarily giving anything up.
Then they stated their hands were tied as they were bound by their agreement. Which turned out to be a lie. Now you are claiming they said they secured wins, which seems to me to be another lie.
The Chairman, who pretends to support The Greens and wish them well, repeats his claim that “The Greens lied”, over and over.
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Calls something a “reported fact”. Links to an opinion piece.
Does the coalition agreement explicitly state they have to vote for it? No.
Does “good faith” imply that if the other party in an agreement wants a particular thing very strongly, and you only oppose it moderately, that in “good faith” you might concede that point to preserve the relationship? In some circumstances, it can.
I was referring to the fact within – i.e. the advice given to the Greens from the Cabinet Office.
Which states good faith is a political statement around how the Greens endeavour to work with the Government. It commits them to work through areas of concern in good faith, but does not bind them to support everything set out in the Labour/New Zealand First coalition agreement.
Therefore, when the Greens told us they were bound by the agreement, they lied.
And while cheerleaders like Robert are happy to accept them lying, a number of us aren’t.
Not collapse the government. That’s right. Greens have signed an agreement that says negioate in good faith. Refusing to negotiate is the exact opposite of good faith.
The reality is the signed agreement is there. Sure life wout continue but just one NZF mp jumps the Waka and greens would never be in government again. Do they really want to start the first year in a government showing exactly why they were locked out during the 2000s.
This business about whether a politican lied or not. If a politician said they never lied then you would know that was a lie. Making a big deal about one changing their mind or finding that it wasn’t politic to continue is not a big problem unless someone deeply supercilious, great word, decides it is and makes a ‘federal case’ out of it.
Most Green Party members, (And apparently, at least three leading Green Party ex-MPs), believe that these two things, are an attack on parliamentary and party democracy.
That’s because they don’t understand the real problem – parliamentary politics doesn’t actually work the way that they believe it works.
The Green Party MPs are now in a position where they’re having to make decisions faster than consultation with the party members allows. They’re also going to have to make compromises and deals that don’t fully uphold the agreed position of the party. Especially when what consultation does happen brings about a stalemate which is what happened in this case (Which actually means that the original position is not as hard and fast as some in the party believed).
Yes, I’m aware that the Green Party makes decisions by consensus but what percentage of members were actually part of that consensus?
The Waka Jumping Bill should go through because some 80% of the population support it. A majority of National’s members support it as well but National leaders and MPs are fully against it and so the party will vote against it in block including the ones who are for it. And they won’t have this public hoohaa going on.
Party politics requires a party MP to tow the party line which will be against what some in the party want including some of those MPs.
This is why I think we need Participatory Democracy. Where the will of the majority rules and not the clique in parliament. Parliament would still be there but they’d be there to enact what the majority decide and not what they personally think.
“The battle lines are being drawn between those who want to give power to the executives to ignore their membership, and give power to the executives to expel dissenting MPs. And between those who want to protect the right of the membership and parliamentary dissenters to be heard”
Yet, party co-leaders Shaw and Davidson said they were simply reviewing all of the party’s “documents”.
Going off that comment re Shaw and Davidson, it seems the so-called leader of the left faction (Davidson) is also aligning against the membership on this one.
Makes one wonder what else is it the caucus wants to do that they know the wider membership won’t like?
I’m not as familiar with the waka-jumping bill as I should be, and I’m wary of it when in view of the pedigree of some who oppose it, but I would point out that when NZ first MPs left their party under the Shipley ministry, and when Alamein Kopu left the Alliance party, the result was precisely this propping up of the larger parties that you fear the waka-jumping legislation will foster.
Alcohol is a significant carcinogen.
Stop drinking.
“The biggies are really smoking and alcohol. Both tobacco smoke and alcoholic beverages are classified by the IARC as Group 1A: that’s “carcinogenic to humans”. In other words, there’s no doubt about it. Other things in this category include arsenic, asbestos and plutonium.
We have a big blind spot about alcohol; we know how bad it is for us, but we don’t want to hear it or do anything about it. Nevertheless, alcohol is linked with at least seven cancers, and the level of drinking that increases our cancer risk is lower than we’d probably like to hear. The less we drink, really, the better. ”
Professor Doug Selman is an expert on the matter.
He has been Director of the National Addiction Centre, Christchurch School of Medicine & Health Sciences since its inception in 1996 and Professor within the University of Otago since 2006.
He says the following.
“Alcohol is a cause of cancers of the mouth, throat, oesophagus, liver, large bowel and breast, and quite possibly the pancreas, prostate and melanoma as well, although the evidence for these others is not as strong at this point. These were the conclusions of a large international meta-analysis, involving 572 separate studies, published in the British Journal of Cancer.
The really important point that Connor makes is that many of the cases of these alcohol-related cancers occur in moderate drinkers, ie they are not confined to people with severe alcoholism.”
With the rate of price increases on cigarettes over the last decade, I’d argue that tax increases are more effective in bringing overall rates of use down.
“You [could] probably double the tax, in the case of tobacco what we’ve done… is push the taxed component up to more than half of the total retail price, well it would be sensible to do the same with alcohol,” he said.
I’d group alcohol, cannabis, and tobacco under one regime and tax the bejeesus out of them at a common rate, and have a common age of consent to buy and to use at 21.
21: your birthday to get truly wasted at.
That would be more useful than different labels that no-one gives a damn about.
More evidence.
The New Zealand Medical Association.
“Despite its normalisation in society, alcohol is not an ordinary commodity. It is a toxin, an intoxicant and an addictive psychotropic drug. As such, its sale and supply is subject to regulation in virtually every country. The current regulatory environment for the sale and supply of alcohol in New Zealand is not doing enough to protect New Zealanders from alcohol-related harms.”
‘New Zealand: Where alcohol is normalised – and that means more drinking.
Boozing has become normalised in New Zealand, and that means it’s likely we’ll drink more – and at higher risk levels, new research says.
One of the study’s authors, Massey University’s Docter Taisia Huckle, said: “What does normalisation look like? It looks like New Zealand.
“We have a situation where alcohol is completely normalised in society, through advertising, marketing and availability, alcohol is reasonably priced.”
School children could walk past three liquor outlets on the way to school or see advertising on social media, she said.
‘The Ministry of Health estimates that over 780,000 adults are hazardous drinkers. Statistics NZ figures show the drinking habits for more than a third of people aged 18-24 could be potentially hazardous – regularly consuming six more drinks in a single session.
Dr Jackson warns there’s been an increase in hazardous drinking every year since 2011, and says it’s increased by more than 50 percent among those aged 45 to 64 years.
As well as this, hazardous drinking in the 66-74-year age group more than doubled from 2011/12 to 2015/16.
“Our older drinkers are some of the heaviest drinkers in the world,” she says.
This drinking has a chilling effect our health system. During the 2016-2017 financial year, 4070 people were hospitalised due to their alcohol consumption.’
So why do so many New Zealanders still drink?
They are brainwashed.
‘Despite multiple reports over many years of the damage that alcohol is inflicting on individuals and communities, including the critical issue of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder risk, little real action is occurring, according to the authors.
“It is as if the New Zealand population has been brainwashed and in the grips of a mass social delusion – viewing alcohol as a harmless recreational product which enhances quality of life, and thinking if you are not regularly consuming the tonic you are clearly not part of the cool and successful social mainstream, and possibly a rather ‘iffy’ member of society.”
I am nursing a hangover this morning from a very long and civilised four course lunch with friends in Titirangi yesterday that did the whole shooting match – beer & cocktails, aperitifs, champagne, various bottles of wine with different courses, dessert wine, brandy, and then (quelle horreur!) more liquor & furtively smoked tobacco based products on the porch. The whole affair took us five hours before the taxis came and carried off the guests in a number of greater or lesser state of hors de combat.
It was a splendid day.
🙂
Yes, it will eventually kill us but then again, ultimately so does the calendar.
Well done.
It’s great to push the boat out from time to time.
I was more referring to quiet drink with a colleague after work.
I get kiwi can have a major issue with alcohol abuse.
I was responding to the notion that there is no upside to consuming alcohol based on my experiences.
I am reluctant to confess that I have become smitten with home brewing cider.
The latest being a wonderful hopped chilli cider.
All the hectoring in the world about cancer and other non-immediate consequences aren’t going to overcome the fact that consuming alcohol gives rise to pleasurable experiences.
But the one observation that prompted me to stop the alcohol except for occasional social functions is that I sleep much much better if I haven’t had a drink. I doubt I’m unique in that respect.
For once I agree with you. We did full 3 course dinner at home in celebration of several things. A hangover today and the chance of cancer in the future was well worth it.
Better to enjoy this life than try and spend every minute worrying.
Doug sellman is the worst kind of academic. Becoming an expert for the sole purpose of banging on about something that the majority of people enjoy and use responsibly and trying to demonise normal behaviour.
‘Alcohol harm more than triple the cost of all Treaty claims so far – economist.
Optimistic numbers show that more than half of the alcohol drunk in New Zealand is harmful – costing each New Zealander $1635 a year.
That cost – which annually dwarfs money paid out for Treaty of Waitangi settlements – didn’t even factor in “intergenerational harm”, which would push the number higher still, Berl principal economist Ganesh Nana said.
Nana presented his figures to a Te Papa conference on who should pay for the harm of alcohol.
That harm in New Zealand was $7.8 billion annually compared to $2.2b spent on Treaty of Waitangi settlements since the 1990s, he said.
He found alcohol-related harm cost every New Zealander $1635 each per year.
“Lost production of labour is costing us $3.3b a year, health costs combined with road crashes $860 million and alcohol-fuelled crime $1.1b a year.”
When you like to gamble it serves to know the risks. Out of interest, do you have an idea, approximate is fine, what the lifetime risks are for developing and dying from cancer? You may not like the answer …
“Yes, it will eventually kill us but then again, ultimately so does the calendar.”
I guess herion users could say the same thing. And people who surf the roofs of trains or play Russian Roulette. Thrills n spills!
I have a friend who was huffing and puffing in the gym one day and he asked his personal trainer if any of it would extend his life beyond a fairly inflexible pre-determined genetic end point. His personal trainer said yes, it would would – up to ten years if he tried hard. But the trouble is, it is all at the wrong end.
None of us are here for more than a blink in the eye of eternity. The world is a great place and the delights of Dionysus are part of it, enjoy it while you can because in the worlds of J M Keynes, in the long run we are all dead.
Sanctuary, yes, on a personal level, but as Ed points out, it’s bigger than that: the issue of young mothers drinking alcohol then producing babies suffering from fatal alcohol syndrome must give you pause to think that as a social trend, burgeoning alcohol consumption could do with some focus from us all; yes?
“…he issue of young mothers drinking alcohol then producing babies suffering from fatal alcohol syndrome must give you pause to think that as a social trend, burgeoning alcohol consumption could do with some focus from us all; yes? …”
No, not really. Alcohol abuse is endemic to all societies.
We all know how to deal with this issue. Ban supermarket sales, bring in minimum pricing, restrict the number of off-licence outlets and control their opening hours – say, close them all between 9pm and 12am and all day Sunday. Until then, nothing much will change, and until a politician proposes such measures I have given up worrying about it.
We don’t have that mythical drinking culture they chattering classes strive for. And anyway as i said, it is just a myth. Those southern Europeans the travelling middle class so admire get as pissed as any German or Anglo-Saxon. Who hasn’t been woken up by a braying donkey under a blazing sun in an Olive grove, suffering a blinding hangover, after to much beer, Ouzo and Retsina with the locals in a lovely Cretan taverna?* They were drinking too, you know.
We just mistake their lack of violence when plonked for moderation.
Personally, i would like to see more research on why we are so violent when drunk.
*OK, so that might have just been me. I was young, give me a break.
It’s worrying how much in denial people are.
We have a crisis folks.
Pretending we don’t doesn’t make it go away.
How many more deaths?
How many more babies with foetal alcohol syndrome?
How many more suicides?
How many more rapes?
How much more domestic violence?
How many more car crashes?
How many more hospitalisations?
Are you saying that we have august personages in Titirangi blogging here? I don’t understand your brief reference. Is it in-language between yourself and another elite who are slumming here?
“Conservatively, it’s thought 600 children are born in New Zealand every year with some form of brain damage caused by their mother drinking alcohol, often before they even knew they were pregnant. But many experts think the real number.”
Actually, I linked anyone interested to a variety of experts in the field on a serious issue facing this country.
Thanks for your entirely negative put down response.
This is Open Mike.
Ed. That makes sobering reading and while it could be argued you over did the messaging, your research shows how serious the issue is for New Zealanders and individuals who drink alcohol, even at moderate levels. I found this passage especially chilling:
“Dr Jackson warns there’s been an increase in hazardous drinking every year since 2011, and says it’s increased by more than 50 percent among those aged 45 to 64 years.
As well as this, hazardous drinking in the 66-74-year age group more than doubled from 2011/12 to 2015/16.
“Our older drinkers are some of the heaviest drinkers in the world,” she says.
This drinking has a chilling effect our health system. During the 2016-2017 financial year, 4070 people were hospitalised due to their alcohol consumption.’”
It is Open Mike and while you’ll always attract criticism, often fair, for overdoing your delivery, not “snapping” back would help the medicine go down 🙂
If only it were sobering literally as well as metaphorically.
Government ( left and right ) in the pockets of massive multinational liquor corporations and their lobbyists have their ears.
Robert G
As lefties I would expect support for the fair treatment of our citizens including good education on limiting drinking and help to give up when pregnant.
Also willingness to limit drug availability, and the end of treating alcohol especially wine as a sophisticated person’s tipple and therefore not to be belittled. Try having a glass of water first in pubs would be a good way of protecting your organs from being pickled too strongly as a first step!
Which would help mitigate climate change more – stopping a diet based around flesh and blood eating and the massive resources needed to generate that sweeping sausage or prohibiting alcohol?
Hey Ed, this is a reply to your comment above in regards to lobbying.
Now I am right with you.
The alcohol industry is one of the barriers to changing legislation around marijuana reform.
Supermarkets too, seem to have the grog all tied up.
Lobbying could be more acceptable if it was transparent and had limits around it.
Don’t panic, go organic!
Eat organic meat, and know that the animal was part of a farm organism, which uses animal manure to enrich compost for sustainable cropping.
Maybe not a climate denier, but certainly someone who puts their own selfish desires above the needs of others and the planet.
So, in other words, a neoliberal capitalist.
don’t forget the alcohol drinker – hard to tell if the demon drink took him or the excessive flesh consumption. But one thing we do know is that evil has a name now…
I think both marty. Flesh and blood eating gives protein and alcohol gives a more toxic, carbohydrate that ruins the brain and creates deficiencies in reliability in the addicted one’s working and family life.
Someone was pointing out how we have lost control of our wine industry largely to foreigners. NZs grow on contract mostly is the word. Also it uses a lot of water like dairying. And relies on elevated incomes at the upper end. Let them make homebrew when the market falls and we will grow oats on the land left vacant. This grain is a major valued one after wheat and as I understand it has lots of good things in it.
Good for my breakfast, and doesn’t lead to a red-veined nose like the big drinkers I have observed.
Actually, all indicators seem to show that New Zealanders are drinking less, not more. Off all the pubs that were open back in 1998, I would wager that only half to two thirds are still open today.
New research, which was presented at the American Association for the Advancement of Science’s annual conference, has found that moderate drinking is linked to a longer life. Drinking about two glasses of wine or beer a day was linked to an 18% drop in a person’s risk of early death—an even stronger effect than the life-preserving practice of exercise, according to the researchers.
The bottom line
There’s still a lot scientists don’t know about drinking, but the research clearly suggest that moderation is key. While it’s smart to cut back if your drinking veers into bingeing territory, there’s likely no reason to stop drinking if you do so in small amounts — just as you probably shouldn’t feel compelled to start sipping if you don’t already.
I think I’ll stick with the age old Everything in moderation including moderation.
DTB
I think that research about moderate alcohol being good for you stands up to todays scrutiny in current studies.
Drinking every day is bad for you. It is better to have a day off after two days on or something like that. And then only have one glass. It is the sort of perfection that it would be hard to achieve.
…And it’s sadly not surprising that nearly all of the claims to freedom of expression in this country have been made in defence of racist denigration and slurs. Whether it’s a city councillor suggesting that Captain Cook should have killed more Māori in 1769, or another old white man concluding that Māori are an inferior race, their purported freedom of speech has besmirched a grand ideal with sordid small-mindedness.
…Most pleasingly, perhaps, the protesters seemed to realise that the much touted “right to offend” that is regarded as part of free speech, is often just a mask which obscures a desire to hurt and damage the most vulnerable in society. It’s the kind of spoken violence which can lead to fascism posing as freedom.
…And, as history shows, those who constructed colonisation on racist distinctions between inferior Indigenous Peoples and superior Europeans did not necessarily “hate” the people they wished to dispossess. They had simply learned that the “other” was less worthy and needed to be colonised.
The so-called humanitarian colonisers who came here in the 19th century did not necessarily “hate” Māori. Indeed, they sometimes professed to love us and simply wanted to dispossess us in a sensitive and caring way. But they “knew” we were inferior and would say so with a good faith intent.
They therefore felt free to malign us because it seemed the natural way of things in which they were entitled to rule the “lesser breeds” with a violent benevolence. Their free speech was the speech of a deceitful and illogically racist power more than an irrational hatred, and today’s racists are no different in that they seek to maintain that power at all costs.
Some may even claim to respect and want “what is best” for us, but they attack our values, our language, and even our rights because they still see them as less worthy and a threat to the privilege which colonisation has given them. Their freedom depends on limiting ours to the terms and conditions which they determine, as it always has in the whole cruel history of colonisation.
…In this country, there has long been a tradition of speaking which may be seen as a particular Māori way of exercising free speech within the rules and kawa of the marae. Thus, in every iwi and hapū the physical space of the marae has two separate but intimately connected parts — the marae ātea where the rituals and speeches of welcome generally occur under the mantle of Tūmatauenga, the atua of war, and the whare tīpuna or meeting house which is the domain of Rongo, the atua of peace.
Is that a conspiracy theory from the Maori left? That the white Europeans colonised lands because the natives where less worthy? I thought the imperialism was for resources, so they could fight-off the other Kings, Kaisers and Tsar. If it wasn’t the English, it would have been the French. And any French colony I ever saw, had dogs shitting where they shouldn’t. Pardon, but many of us Maori can still recognise a glass half full 😉
English could quickly see the Maori where equals, too strong to push around, so they did a Treaty, then slowly marginalised the natives with law, banking and all that til capitalism had full control. Ok, maybe the English where more skilled at industrial governance and finance. But the Maori are stronger on mana and all that.
There are lots of threads to the weave. Each valid because of the specific perspective and also as a whole, combined narrative.
Personally I don’t think the English were benevolent to Māori – they still stole the land and resources and tried to annihilate Te Ao Māori albiet with silk gloves on rather than their usual rusty blade.
Marty! I don’t understand your comment but would like to: which bit is bullshit? I don’t want to have given the wrong impression so would appreciate the chance to clarify.
If you are killed in 1942 by a Nazi or non Nazi German do you think you care about their naziness?
The English were NEVER the best of the bunch – their trail of misery spans the globe and adversly affected many differnt indigenous peoples. We rate the english and conform history showing how nice they were because of historic clingons.
And yes we are here and we are what we are. We are the waka and the waka is us,
Thanks, Marty. I share your view of “The English” and their/our rapacious ways/history, however…I still wonder who you would nominate to have replaced them as the incoming culture, given that there was bound to be one; the French? Portuguese? Russians? Chinese? Who, I wonder, would you welcome in place of the English?
The complication for me, is … blood. If we are to regard our genetic material as tapu, what do we say about our English toto? Can we dismiss it as not us, indulge in some selective self-hatred, or what?
Thanks, Marty. I’m sorry, I can’t follow this discussion; must be too distracted by the beautiful sunny day we are enjoying here me aku mokopuna e takaro ana around my legs and the temptation to plant out the 100 red currants I lifted yesterday from my cuttings bed…in any case, kia pai to ra e hoa.
Robert I wonder sometimes about how it would have been if French had got here and showed real, lasting interest. They still interfere from Paris in Tahitian politics but have they been worse than other countries in their style? The Portugese left Timor L’Este in a bit of a mess. Russians and China have tried to change their own political systems and lines of power, with great upheavals in the main country spreading out to their adherents.
The start of NZ was not to be a place to banish Brit criminals like Australia which seems to have left a calculating materialistic culture there. So the zeitgeist was slightly different here at the start, but Maori still had to struggle against free market business approaches, a set of legal attacks on their land owning rights, disease, rigid class systems, and an attempt to obliterate their language and culture. But the Treaty prevented a wholesale bulldozer approach by colonists. Whether the other colonising countries used this legal, or similar agreement I don’t know.
There is no easy answer – live in perfect peace and that means to be vulnerable to determined adventurers. How people are trying to find a place that they can hold as their own and not be denied a place or job in it by the whims of others who seek to possess whatever they want and dispossess those who have it.
This morning on Radionz Mediawatch there was an item on some bent pseudo-history fantasy that had been made in NZ with a mix of useful dips into the useful bits of science, mixed with supposition and factoids from informed people who can not be named because they would be chastised for leaking by their peers or families. Mediawatch got it taken down from TV on Demand – I think in their Documentary and Factual section! https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018658273/seven-foot-tall-pre-maori-disappear-from-tvnz
I don’t think there’s any conspiracy theory involved in what marty is saying.
Colonisers have always found ways of morally validating their actions – they have to, otherwise the contradiction between their ethical frameworks and what they actually do, becomes too great.
There are a number of justifications – all related: christianising heathens, Darwinian inevitably of more advanced populations displacing less advanced, and cultural superiority. Technology differences are often the vector for such misconceptions – if one culture has sailing ships, astronomical instruments, steam engines, 400 years of printed books including Shakespeare and the King James bible and the other doesn’t – it is likely to mistakenly consider itself superior and do bad things.
Don Brash is the contemporary exemplar of this strand in NZ racism – the deep conviction that the Maori view of the world is pretty worthless and not worth considering
At the time of writing this, there are 11 comments in Open Mike, six by Ed and all on alcohol consumption in NZ – a subject of some concern obviously. However, my half asleep observation is that Ed supports his six comments with seven links – all to NZ mainstream media sources namely Stuff, the Herald, Scoop, and Newshub all being media that Ed continually criticises and urges us to ignore. Ummm. …
This was intended to be in the 2 thread but sorry, I am on IPad and don’t know how to move it there.
The link is to scientific experts.
Selman, Huckle, Bullen, Connor…..
I could link, using the msm, the arguments made for a pro alcohol shill, such as Leggatt.
Sorry to inconvenience you by introducing this important topic for discussion.
Debating the benefits of a plant based diet and discussing the alcoholic state of New Zealand.
These appear to be off limits subjects for some here.
This is Open Mike.
Ed does not urge people to ignore those media. What he does do is urge people to read and view them skeptically. Otherwise we end up repeating, even endorsing, fantasies and black propaganda such as “Putin put Trump into the White House”, “Criticizing Israeli crimes = antisemitism”, “Nicky Hager stole those emails”, and “New Zealand’s troops in Afghanistan are helping to keep the peace.”
THE CHIMERA OF BRITISH ANTI-SEMITISM, AND
HOW NOT TO FIGHT IT IF IT WERE REAL
by Norman G. Finkelstein, Aug. 17, 2018
The current hysteria engulfing the British Labour Party resolves itself into a pair of interrelated, if discrete, premises: Anti-Semitism in British society at large and the Labour Party in particular have reached crisis proportions. If neither of these premises can be sustained, then the hysteria is a fabrication. In fact, no evidence has been adduced to substantiate either of them; on the contrary, all the evidence points in the opposite direction. The rational conclusion is that the brouhaha is a calculated hoax—dare it be said, plot?—to oust Jeremy Corbyn and the principled leftist politics he represents from British public life.
But even if the allegations were true, the solution would still not be to curb freedom of thought in the Labour Party. At its worthiest, the Left-Liberal tradition has attached a unique, primordial value to Truth; but Truth cannot be attained if dissentients, however obnoxious, are silenced. Given the fraught history of anti-Semitism, on the one hand, and its crude manipulation by Jewish elites, on the other, an objective, dispassionate assessment could appear beyond reach. Still, it must be attempted. The prospect of a historic victory for the Left might otherwise be sabotaged as, thus far, Corbyn’s supporters, whether it be from fear, calculation, or political correctness, dare not speak the name of the evil that is afoot.
The degree of anti-Semitism infecting British society has been the subject of numerous polls over a sustained period of time. These surveys have uniformly, consistently, and unambiguously concluded that anti-Semitism (1) has long been a marginal phenomenon in British society, infecting under 10 percent of the population, (2) is far less salient than hostility to other British minorities, and (3) is less pronounced in the UK than almost anywhere else in Europe. One might suppose that settled matters. But in 2017 the British Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) published a study that purportedly refined conventional wisdom by measuring the “elasticity” of anti-Semitism: that is, not just the percentage of confirmed anti-Semites, but also the prevalence of stereotypes that stigmatize Jews.[1] It found that, whereas a mere 2-5 percent of the British population can be reckoned anti-Semites, fully 30 percent harbor at least one anti-Semitic stereotype.
Before parsing the study’s data, a couple of truisms warrant recalling. First, a generalization is something that is held to be generally true; it evidently allows for exceptions. ….
Gambling, alcohol, tobacco . sugar, shit food all high profit , lots of money for the corrupt that run the place.
I heard Kim Hill interview a guy on depression yesterday and he made a lot of sense but then he mentioned possible link between mental ill health and processed food and I thought , well that’s the last we’ll hear of you .
I also see that anti psychotics use is on the rise sounds like a win win for to high profit industries.
What nonsense. Firstly the antipsychotics in question that are prescribed in this setting olanazpine, quetiapine and risperidone sell all of 280k, 290k and 113k per annum all via generic pharmaceutical companies so hardly very profitable, secondly to suggest that processed foods are involved in the mix of antipsychotic Rxing is frankly bullshit.
Do you think it all getting too weird and wonderful McFlock! Nobody can afford to do anything without thinking about it these days.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/2018658561/insight-foetal-alcohol-damaging-baby-brains
Women drinking before and all during their pregnancies have to have someone look after their maimed babies with foetal alcohol syndrome and who require huge amounts of patience, sometimes they will almost destroy a house in one of their rampages, and to move beyond this can be helped but cannot cope with anything but certainty and regular timetables.
So recreational sex for them? Only if they have a hysterectomy or a long-term contraceptive implanted. The world is at a dangerous point climatically and in numbers and government has sold itself to the money grubbers. We can;t afford to be casual all the time and not try to help ourselves. The world is having disasters, wars, refugees, huge suffering and we cry when we have pin pricks of controls imposed.
I’m not saying women should drink all through pregnancy, no. But a teetotal, vegan, celibate society sounds bloody awful, to me at least. Tobacco-free is irritating enough.
Mcflock
I am beginning to question the importance of being so controlled as at present when not strictly necessary. Do you feel we are living in a ‘should’ society of semi-puritans? It is like the doctor that wants to stop the 80 year old from drinking whiskey – it’s bad for you. Reply, what the hell – what have I got to lose is appropriate I think.
Song from long time ago – Enjoy yourself it’s later than you think, Enjoy yourself while youre still in the pink.
Not only does she twist the truth she amps the conspiracy angle.
is there any gallery journalist who unabashed acts so consistently as a national party ‘operative’.
Not a squeak about why the big jump overall in nationals expenses in the last 3 months. or even if personal use of Crown limos should be curtailed and it only be for parliamentary business ( which wouldnt have excluded Bridges regional tour) . of course a follow up question could have been have you used a limo for a private night out ?
As a quiz fan, I have just heard about Brit Eggheads this has been going for decades.
On youtube – great fun. Minimum of fancy stuff – well staged.
I have thought of a different line to those concentrating on running in marathons (or acquiring lots of dosh and baubles) till it fills their whole lives and thoughts. What about –
‘Be in the human race, where clever people work out to help themselves along with each other and our home – the planet, to reach the finishing line and outwit the machines through exploiting their weak points, not trying to outrun them (because we never can).’
She’s one switched on lady. The best thing to do in labor is to keep active, keep moving, which makes baby come quicker. The worst thing to do is sit around, making labor longer.
Thinking of Julie-Anne today. All the best beautiful lady 🙂
Yes Greens looking to the future and will no doubt ensure that women in far suth can have a birthing unit with reach of a fairly short drive through bad weather conditions, and so no closing of birthing units.
All the best to Julie Anne G and baby and partner too!!
I’d like to see mandatory community service for every executive in charge of a company that has a worker death on their watch . Money is not enough.
Then if management are found to be responsible by ignoring safety then they serve time in prison as well as fair compensation to the families, and thus sending a message to the executives in charge of corporations that one death is too many deaths.
Also with construction. If the building falls aka CTV style, then whoever was in charge of the companies at the time of building have to do community service no matter what and then other charges just come on top.
Also like to see an automatic payment to the family of the dead worker of $50k straight away to help them, without any litigation having to have to take place, and years going by and any compensation eaten up by lawyers anyway. Then other cost on top.
Thanks Ed (13) … Whittall is a totally unscrupulous man, no compassion or decency whatsoever!
From one of “guilt free” Whittall’s statements …
** My coping mechanism has always been to talk to my family. I have never sought professional psychological assistance, but I have sought the assistance of my family and I have a wonderful wife.”**
How fortunate for him, when so many who lost loved ones through the Pike River tragedy, don’t have the benefit of having the opportunity to communicate with their spouses or sons at their time of need. They still lay buried in the mine!
Come to think of it now with the benefit of hindsight, looking back at Pike River spokesman Whittall’s comments to media at the time of the mine explosion, they came across as rehearsed, false and totally without empathy or compassion towards the grieving families! In other words, what he said was absolute BS! Betrayal of the bereaved at the highest level!
Hey Whittall can observe and truthfully tell about it! It is human nature to bklame someone. And fair enough, if they are found responsible for a bad outcome because of negligence or of not caring about the reasonable safety conditions expected in modern mines.
On Friday a friend of mine was feeling guilty because she wasn’t contactable for a few hours when someone close to her had a bereavement.
She knew that it was just one of those things – she’s almost always contactable, shit just happened at the worst time. But she felt guilty because she wasn’t there to support her friend.
It’s human nature to feel guilt for things you didn’t do – to go over whether there’s anything you could have done. And, speaking from experience, that stays with you.
I just hope that his claims of being “guilt free” are denial and part of a slow healing process, not a reflection on his character. 29 people he was responsible for died. That should effect any normal human permanently, even if whatever happened wasn’t directly his fault. Not permanently crippling, but to not feel any guilt at all sounds callous.
Elizabeth Warren has a big idea that challenges how the Democratic Party thinks about solving the problem of inequality.
Instead of advocating for expensive new social programs like free college or health care, she’s introducing a bill Wednesday, the Accountable Capitalism Act, that would redistribute trillions of dollars from rich executives and shareholders to the middle class — without costing a dime.
Warren’s plan starts from the premise that corporations that claim the legal rights of personhood should be legally required to accept the moral obligations of personhood.
I am sure they will go down a treat in the land of the free. I would say it is about as viable as Warren passing a DNA test for her Cherokee blood line If she wants other forms of ownership than capital go start a workers cooperative or other form of enterprise. The whole idea of capitalism is for capital to be attracted to the best opprtunity not simply reinvest for reinvestment sake in a firm, hence shareholders reinvest elsewhere If firm does not have viable internal investment options, thus allowing the most efficient use of capital Similarly capitalism forces the firm and it manager to perform or see a falling share price and threat of take over Putting artificial constraints on this as warren proposed would simply weaken US firms competitiveness to that of crony capitalism countries
Gosh bewildered. I get that feeling when I read your comments. This is a left leaning blog and you seem more right. Left in latin I think is sinister and I feel that is how you view us. Am I wrong?
A Gisborne District councillor says she’s disappointed by an apology she received about racially inappropriate comments she says were made at an official meeting.
Meredith Akuhata-Brown said she was at a council meeting when she heard two of her colleagues joking that not enough Māori had been killed during early encounters with James Cook.
At first, Ms Akuhata-Brown said she could not quite believe what she had heard.
“Stunned silence to be honest. I had just dealt with some other issues and had been away overseas talking about tolerance etcetera, so I was quite shocked,” she said.
“I guess now, when I look back, I wish I had’ve said something, but I was just shocked.”
Here is a interesting read in the fires in Sweden and California and how some of the main firefighters are saying is the cause of CC which is now causing them to rethink on how to fight fires IRT CC. Old Mr Dump is blaming the environmental policies of the California State Government, but the firies are saying this is about CC not the States environmental policies.
But I will say this if people are going to live in the bush you must have a bush fire emergency plan weather you intend to go or stay and fight and once you are committed to your COA then stick to your plan and don’t leave it to the last minute if you change your mind as it will be to late.
Good morning The AM Show well te sandflys are still giving me Mana.
Yes Duncan I seen these moves all the time shillary tryed it to and TVNZ 1 deserves what they get new management needed there I say. Ana to kai.
Good game this weekend Mark looks like you need to play a couple with yours and Mulls game on the Crowd goes Wild Ka kite ano shillary try a few moves against ECO MAORI failed
Many thanks to the NRL for have a indigenous League competition this is the new way winning of Papatuanukue to celebrate te tangata whenua ECO MAORI Says all country’s should celebrate there tangata whenua we look at te Mokopunas future and Papatuanukue future differently we are more environmently conscious back to the League Ka pai Australia League Ka kite ano link below
This is why I Back Elon Mus because you have this person and his administration and the Go/Pro Oil Party who don’t give a—–about the Mokopunas or Papatuanukue future they are just on a Huge power grab link is Below.
This is the reality of the people who trump have in his defence team and administration and he wonders why most people are flipping him the Bird link below Ka kite ano.
Here we go the state suppression machine at work behind closed doors
Why have the statetues of Egypt had all there nose cut off because they are African nose the Powers that be do want to admit that It was Africas who founded one of the first great civilisation of Papatuanukue.
I also don’t agree that tangata whenua arrived in Atoearoa 800 years ago this is a direct oppression of Maori cant have these savages know that they were sailing around Papatuanukue thousands of years before the elete class was still hugging the coast line. They say we wiped out the giant Mour in a hundred years year right it would have taken 200 years at least. I Believe in some of the story’s. To not believe some of the evidence is to have total trust that man is not decfull and we can see that a few will do what ever it takes to keep power. So the probability of Atoearoa history beening suppred is 100% from ECO MAORI views and the reality of how some people have to be woken up to these facts link below Ka kite ano
There you go A small community has the saloution to our problems of waste They have been working on it for 18 years they are the biggest employer of the community Ka kite ano link below
Mana wahine here’s a lady who is not afraid to speak out about the bad parts to there culture the men can do what they want and the ladies are treated as property ka pai
Ka kite ano link below
Good evening Newshub that’s awesome Mp pay freeze Ka pai
Looks like our Australian cousin don’t want to drop there Paris climate changes commitment’s Ka pai Australian voter’s think about your mokopunas future’s
Yes we have to look after OUR elderly some people treat them like a commodity they deserve to be treated with respect .
There you go Mike this intense Papatuanuku weather is all part of Te human caused Global Warming some idiots are still denying these fact’s that we are seeing in reality .
That’s one reason why Eco Maori love’s Aotearoa no snakes not many animals that can cause harm besides human’s that is.
Ka kite ano P.S still trying to sort out our moko health issuse
The Crowd Goes Wild Jame’s and Mull”s It was a good game of Rugby this weekend .
Good run down on the League game .
That was a huge crash at te car racing I missed what comp it is lol Drifting looked good run by Mad Mike did you say
Ka kite ano
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Buzz from the Beehive Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters was bound to win headlines when he set out his thinking about AUKUS in his speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. The headlines became bigger when – during an interview on RNZ’s Morning Report today – he criticised ...
The Post reports on how the government is refusing to release its advice on its corrupt Muldoonist fast-track law, instead using the "soon to be publicly available" refusal ground to hide it until after select committee submissions on the bill have closed. Fast-track Minister Chris Bishop's excuse? “It's not ...
As pressure on it grows, the livestock industry’s approach to the transition to Net Zero is increasingly being compared to that of fossil fuel interests. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / Getty ImagesTL;DR: Here’s the top five news items of note in climate news for Aotearoa-NZ this week, and a discussion above ...
The New Zealand Herald reports – Stats NZ has offered a voluntary redundancy scheme to all of its workers as a way to give staff some control over their “future” amidst widespread job losses in the public sector. In an update to staff this morning, seen by the Herald, Statistics New Zealand ...
On Werewolf/Scoop, I usually do two long form political columns a week. From now on, there will be an extra column each week about music and movies. But first, some late-breaking political events:The rise in unemployment numbers for the March quarter was bigger than expected – and especially sharp ...
David Farrar writes – The Herald reports: TVNZ says it is dealing with about 50 formal complaints over its coverage of the latest 1News-Verian political poll, with some viewers – as well as the Prime Minister and a former senior Labour MP – critical of the tone of the 6pm report. ...
Muriel Newman writes – When Meridian Energy was seeking resource consents for a West Coast hydro dam proposal in 2010, local Maori “strenuously” objected, claiming their mana was inextricably linked to ‘their’ river and could be damaged. After receiving a financial payment from the company, however, the Ngai Tahu ...
Alwyn Poole writes – “An SEP,’ he said, ‘is something that we can’t see, or don’t see, or our brain doesn’t let us see, because we think that it’s somebody else’s problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it’s like a ...
Our trust in our political institutions is fast eroding, according to a Maxim Institute discussion paper, Shaky Foundations: Why our democracy needs trust. The paper – released today – raises concerns about declining trust in New Zealand’s political institutions and democratic processes, and the role that the overuse of Parliamentary urgency ...
This article was prepared for publication yesterday. More ministerial announcements have been posted on the government’s official website since it was written. We will report on these later today …. Buzz from the BeehiveThere we were, thinking the environment is in trouble, when along came Jones. Shane Jones. ...
New Zealand now has the fourth most depressed construction sector in the world behind China, Qatar and Hong Kong. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy at 8:46am on Thursday, May 2:The Lead: ...
Hi,I am just going to state something very obvious: American police are fucking crazy.That was a photo gracing the New York Times this morning, showing New York City police “entering Columbia University last night after receiving a request from the school.”Apparently in America, protesting the deaths of tens of thousands ...
Winston Peters’ much anticipated foreign policy speech last night was a work of two halves. Much of it was a standard “boilerplate” Foreign Ministry overview of the state of the world. There was some hardening up of rhetoric with talk of “benign” becoming “malign” and old truths giving way to ...
Graham Adams assesses the fallout of the Cass Review — The press release last Thursday from the UN Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls didn’t make the mainstream news in New Zealand but it really should have. The startling title of Reem Alsalem’s statement — “Implementation of ‘Cass ...
This open-for-business, under-new-management cliché-pockmarked government of Christopher Luxon is not the thing of beauty he imagines it to be. It is not the powerful expression of the will of the people that he asserts it to be. It is not a soaring eagle, it is a malodorous vulture. This newest poll should make ...
The latest labour market statistics, showing a rise in unemployment. There are now 134,000 unemployed - 14,000 more than when the National government took office. Which is I guess what happens when the Reserve Bank causes a recession in an effort to Keep Wages Low. The previous government saw a ...
Three opinion polls have been released in the last two days, all showing that the new government is failing to hold their popular support. The usual honeymoon experienced during the first year of a first term government is entirely absent. The political mood is still gloomy and discontented, mainly due ...
National's Finance Minister once met a poor person.A scornful interview with National's finance guru who knows next to nothing about economics or people.There might have been something a bit familiar if that was the headline I’d gone with today. It would of course have been in tribute to the article ...
Rob MacCulloch writes – Throughout the pandemic, the new Vice-Chancellor-of-Otago-University-on-$629,000 per annum-Can-you-believe-it-and-Former-Finance-Minister Grant Robertson repeated the mantra over and over that he saved “lives and livelihoods”.As we update how this claim is faring over the course of time, the facts are increasingly speaking differently. NZ ...
Chris Trotter writes – IT’S A COMMONPLACE of political speeches, especially those delivered in acknowledgement of electoral victory: “We’ll govern for all New Zealanders.” On the face of it, the pledge is a strange one. Why would any political leader govern in ways that advantaged the huge ...
Bryce Edwards writes – The list of former National Party Ministers being given plum and important roles got longer this week with the appointment of former Deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett as the chair of Pharmac. The Christopher Luxon-led Government has now made key appointments to Bill ...
TL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy at 10:06am on Wednesday, May 1:The Lead: Business confidence fell across the board in April, falling in some areas to levels last seen during the lockdowns because of a collapse in ...
Over the past 36 hours, Christopher Luxon has been dong his best to portray the centre-right’s plummeting poll numbers as a mark of virtue. Allegedly, the negative verdicts are the result of hard economic times, and of a government bravely set out on a perilous rescue mission from which not ...
Auckland Transport have started rolling out new HOP card readers around the network and over the next three months, all of them on buses, at train stations and ferry wharves will be replaced. The change itself is not that remarkable, with the new readers looking similar to what is already ...
A senior, highly respected King’s Counsel with decades of experience in our law courts, Gary Judd KC, has filed a complaint about compulsory tikanga Māori studies for law students - highlighting the utter depths of absurdity this woke cultural madness has taken our society. The tikanga regulations will compel law ...
The Government needs to be clear with the people of the Nelson Marlborough region about the changes it is considering for the Nelson Hospital rebuild, Labour health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall said. ...
Ministers must front up about which projects it will push through under its Fast Track Approvals legislation, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
The Government is again adding to New Zealand’s growing unemployment, this time cutting jobs at the agencies responsible for urban development and growing much needed housing stock. ...
With Minister Karen Chhour indicating in the House today that she either doesn’t know or care about the frontline cuts she’s making to Oranga Tamariki, we risk seeing more and more of our children falling through the cracks. ...
The Labour Party is saddened to learn of the death of Sir Robert Martin, a globally renowned disability advocate who led the way for disability rights both in New Zealand and internationally. ...
Labour is calling for the Government to urgently rethink its coalition commitment to restart live animal exports, Labour animal welfare spokesperson Rachel Boyack said. ...
Today’s Financial Stability Report has once again highlighted that poverty and deep inequality are political choices - and this Government is choosing to make them worse. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to do more for our households in most need as unemployment rises and the cost of living crisis endures. ...
Unemployment is on the rise and it’s only going to get worse under this Government, Labour finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds said. Stats NZ figures show the unemployment rate grew to 4.3 percent in the March quarter from 4 percent in the December quarter. “This is the second rise in unemployment ...
The New Zealand Labour Party welcomes the entering into force of the European Union and New Zealand free trade agreement. This agreement opens the door for a huge increase in trade opportunities with a market of 450 million people who are high value discerning consumers of New Zealand goods and ...
The National-led Government continues its fiscal jiggery pokery with its Pharmac announcement today, Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says. “The government has increased Pharmac funding but conceded it will only make minimal increases in access to medicine”, said Ayesha Verrall “This is far from the bold promises made to fund ...
This afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
New Zealand is urging both Israel and Hamas to agree to an immediate ceasefire to avoid the further humanitarian catastrophe that military action in Rafah would unleash, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The immense suffering in Gaza cannot be allowed to worsen further. Both sides have a responsibility to ...
A new online data dashboard released today as part of the Government’s school attendance action plan makes more timely daily attendance data available to the public and parents, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. The interactive dashboard will be updated once a week to show a national average of how ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced Rosemary Banks will be New Zealand’s next Ambassador to the United States of America. “Our relationship with the United States is crucial for New Zealand in strategic, security and economic terms,” Mr Peters says. “New Zealand and the United States have a ...
The Government is considering creating a new tier of minerals permitting that will make it easier for hobby miners to prospect for gold. “New Zealand was built on gold, it’s in our DNA. Our gold deposits, particularly in regions such as Otago and the West Coast have always attracted fortune-hunters. ...
Minister for Trade Todd McClay today announced that New Zealand and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) will commence negotiations on a free trade agreement (FTA). Minister McClay met with his counterpart UAE Trade Minister Dr Thani bin Ahmed Al Zeyoudi in Dubai, where they announced the launch of negotiations on a ...
New Zealand Sign Language Week is an excellent opportunity for all Kiwis to give the language a go, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. This week (May 6 to 12) is New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL) Week. The theme is “an Aotearoa where anyone can sign anywhere” and aims to ...
Six tertiary students have been selected to work on NASA projects in the US through a New Zealand Space Scholarship, Space Minister Judith Collins announced today. “This is a fantastic opportunity for these talented students. They will undertake internships at NASA’s Ames Research Center or its Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), where ...
New Zealanders will be safer because of a $1.9 billion investment in more frontline Corrections officers, more support for offenders to turn away from crime, and more prison capacity, Corrections Minister Mark Mitchell says. “Our Government said we would crack down on crime. We promised to restore law and order, ...
The OECD’s latest report on New Zealand reinforces the importance of bringing Government spending under control, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The OECD conducts country surveys every two years to review its members’ economic policies. The 2024 New Zealand survey was presented in Wellington today by OECD Chief Economist Clare Lombardelli. ...
The Government has delivered on its election promise to provide a financially sustainable model for Auckland under its Local Water Done Well plan. The plan, which has been unanimously endorsed by Auckland Council’s Governing Body, will see Aucklanders avoid the previously projected 25.8 per cent water rates increases while retaining ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters discussed the need for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, and enhanced cooperation in the Pacific with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock during her first official visit to New Zealand today. "New Zealand and Germany enjoy shared interests and values, including the rule of law, democracy, respect for the international system ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop today released his decision on four recommendations referred to him by the Western Bay of Plenty District Council, opening the door to housing growth in the area. The Council’s Plan Change 92 allows more homes to be built in existing and new ...
Thank you, John McKinnon and the New Zealand China Council for the invitation to speak to you today. Thank you too, all members of the China Council. Your effort has played an essential role in helping to build, shape, and grow a balanced and resilient relationship between our two ...
The Government is modernising insurance law to better protect Kiwis and provide security in the event of a disaster, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “These reforms are long overdue. New Zealand’s insurance law is complicated and dated, some of which is more than 100 years old. ...
The coalition Government is refreshing its approach to supporting pay equity claims as time-limited funding for the Pay Equity Taskforce comes to an end, Public Service Minister Nicola Willis says. “Three years ago, the then-government introduced changes to the Equal Pay Act to support pay equity bargaining. The changes were ...
Structured literacy will change the way New Zealand children learn to read - improving achievement and setting students up for success, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Being able to read and write is a fundamental life skill that too many young people are missing out on. Recent data shows that ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay says Canada’s refusal to comply in full with a CPTPP trade dispute ruling in our favour over dairy trade is cynical and New Zealand has no intention of backing down. Mr McClay said he has asked for urgent legal advice in respect of our ‘next move’ ...
The rights of our children and young people will be enhanced by changes the coalition Government will make to strengthen oversight of the Oranga Tamariki system, including restoring a single Children’s Commissioner. “The Government is committed to delivering better public services that care for our most at-risk young people and ...
The Government is making it easier for minor changes to be made to a building consent so building a home is easier and more affordable, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “The coalition Government is focused on making it easier and cheaper to build homes so we can ...
New Zealand lost a true legend when internationally renowned disability advocate Sir Robert Martin (KNZM) passed away at his home in Whanganui last night, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. “Our Government’s thoughts are with his wife Lynda, family and community, those he has worked with, the disability community in ...
Good evening – Before discussing the challenges and opportunities facing New Zealand’s foreign policy, we’d like to first acknowledge the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. You have contributed to debates about New Zealand foreign policy over a long period of time, and we thank you for hosting us. ...
From today, passengers travelling internationally from Auckland Airport will be able to keep laptops and liquids in their carry-on bags for security screening thanks to new technology, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Creating a more efficient and seamless travel experience is important for holidaymakers and businesses, enabling faster movement through ...
People with an interest in the health of Northland’s marine ecosystems are invited to a public meeting to discuss how to deal with kina barrens, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones will lead the discussion, which will take place on Friday, 10 May, at Awanui Hotel in ...
Kiwi exporters are $100 million better off today with the NZ EU FTA entering into force says Trade Minister Todd McClay. “This is all part of our plan to grow the economy. New Zealand's prosperity depends on international trade, making up 60 per cent of the country’s total economic activity. ...
There are heartening signs that the extractive sector is once again becoming an attractive prospect for investors and a source of economic prosperity for New Zealand, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The beginnings of a resurgence in extractive industries are apparent in media reports of the sector in the past ...
The return of the historic Ō-Rākau battle site to the descendants of those who fought there moved one step closer today with the first reading of Te Pire mō Ō-Rākau, Te Pae o Maumahara / The Ō-Rākau Remembrance Bill. The Bill will entrust the 9.7-hectare battle site, five kilometres west ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has announced 25 new high-speed EV charging hubs along key routes between major urban centres and outlined the Government’s plan to supercharge New Zealand’s EV infrastructure. The hubs will each have several chargers and be capable of charging at least four – and up to 10 ...
The coalition Government will not proceed with the previous Government’s plans to regulate residential property managers, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “I have written to the Chairperson of the Social Services and Community Committee to inform him that the Government does not intend to support the Residential Property Managers Bill ...
The Government has announced an independent review into the disability support system funded by the Ministry of Disabled People – Whaikaha. Disability Issues Minister Louise Upston says the review will look at what can be done to strengthen the long-term sustainability of Disability Support Services to provide disabled people and ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has attended the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva and outlined the Government’s plan to restore law and order. “Speaking to the United Nations Human Rights Council provided us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while responding to issues and ...
The Government and Rotorua Lakes Council are committed to working closely together to end the use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua. Associate Minister of Housing (Social Housing) Tama Potaka says the Government remains committed to ending the long-term use of contracted emergency housing motels in Rotorua by the ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay heads overseas today for high-level trade talks in the Gulf region, and a key OECD meeting in Paris. Mr McClay will travel to Riyadh to meet with counterparts from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). “New Zealand’s goods and services exports to the Gulf region ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford has outlined six education priorities to deliver a world-leading education system that sets Kiwi kids up for future success. “I’m putting ambition, achievement and outcomes at the heart of our education system. I want every child to be inspired and engaged in their learning so they ...
The new NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) App is a secure ‘one stop shop’ to provide the services drivers need, Transport Minister Simeon Brown and Digitising Government Minister Judith Collins say. “The NZTA App will enable an easier way for Kiwis to pay for Vehicle Registration and Road User Charges (RUC). ...
Whānau with tamariki growing up in emergency housing motels will be prioritised for social housing starting this week, says Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka. “Giving these whānau a better opportunity to build healthy stable lives for themselves and future generations is an essential part of the Government’s goal of reducing ...
Racing Minister Winston Peters has paid tribute to an icon of the industry with the recent passing of Dave O’Sullivan (OBE). “Our sympathies are with the O’Sullivan family with the sad news of Dave O’Sullivan’s recent passing,” Mr Peters says. “His contribution to racing, initially as a jockey and then ...
Assalaamu alaikum, greetings to you all. Eid Mubarak, everyone! I want to extend my warmest wishes to you and everyone celebrating this joyous occasion. It is a pleasure to be here. I have enjoyed Eid celebrations at Parliament before, but this is my first time joining you as the Minister ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced Pharmac’s largest ever budget of $6.294 billion over four years, fixing a $1.774 billion fiscal cliff. “Access to medicines is a crucial part of many Kiwis’ lives. We’ve committed to a budget allocation of $1.774 billion over four years so Kiwis are ...
Hon Paula Bennett has been appointed as member and chair of the Pharmac board, Associate Health Minister David Seymour announced today. "Pharmac is a critical part of New Zealand's health system and plays a significant role in ensuring that Kiwis have the best possible access to medicines,” says Mr Seymour. ...
Hundreds of New Zealand families affected by Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) will benefit from a new Government focus on prevention and treatment, says Health Minister Dr Shane Reti. “We know FASD is a leading cause of preventable intellectual and neurodevelopmental disability in New Zealand,” Dr Reti says. “Every day, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Vanita Yadav, Senior Research Fellow, Urban Transformations Research Centre, Western Sydney University Brett Boardman/Belvoir The complex and grappling issue of violence against women takes centre stage in the soul-stirring solo dance drama Nayika: A Dancing Girl. During a dinner conversation ...
Disruption to patient care from a nationwide junior doctors strike is bordering on unsafe, a senior doctor claims, despite what health officials say. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sarah Diepstraten, Senior Research Officer, Blood Cells and Blood Cancer Division, Walter and Eliza Hall Institute Ground Picture/Shutterstock The anti-cancer drug abemaciclib (also known as Vernezio) has this month been added to the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) to treat certain ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Dominic McAfee, Postdoctoral researcher, marine ecology, University of Adelaide Robbie Porter, OzFish Unlimited Around Australia, hundreds of people are coming together to help a once-prized, but decimated and largely forgotten marine ecosystem. They’re busy restoring Australia’s native oyster and mussel reefs. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sara Webb, Lecturer, Centre for Astrophysics and Supercomputing, Swinburne University of Technology Austin Human/Unsplash How does Earth stop meteors from hitting Earth and hurting people? –Asher, 6 years 11 months, New South Wales Alright, let’s embark on a meteor ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rory Mulcahy, Associate Professor of Marketing, University of the Sunshine Coast Professional sports organisations regularly promote and develop initiatives to support diversity, equity and inclusion. While sport has the power to change attitudes by sparking conversations about political issues and social ...
Comment: The weekly Monday post-Cabinet press conference is a useful forum for observing Christopher Luxon and how he is developing into the job of Prime Minister. He attempts to convey the impression of a man of action, speaking fast, delivering memorised National Party strategies in a connect-the-slogans kind of way, ...
Double votes, missing ballot boxes, tired tech and stressed staff: how tick-tallying went astray at last year’s election. Cast your mind back to November 2023, that bleary-eyed post-election period duringwhichwewaited, andwaited, for a coalition deal to be hammered out. A distraction from the hotel-hopping of our ...
International audiences are starting to discover what New Zealand already knew about After the Party.When After the Party aired in New Zealand last year, the response was fast and furious. In his preview for Rec Room, Duncan Greive said it was a “gritty, wrenching and highly confronting” series. By ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Shahram Akbarzadeh, Convenor of the Middle East Studies Forum (MESF), and Acting Director the Alfred Deakin Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation, Deakin University Iran’s leadership has been a direct beneficiary of the months-long war in Gaza. With every missile that Israel fires ...
Claire Mabey reviews the haunting and sexy debut novel from Sinéad Gleeson, who is about to touch down in Aotearoa for a string of live events.When Irish writer Sinéad Gleeson was in Aotearoa in 2018 with her spectacular collection of essays, Constellations, she told me she was working on ...
PNG Post-Courier Bougainville Affairs Minister Manasseh Makiba has described the Post-Courier’s front page story yesterday regarding a meeting between Bougainville and national government leaders as “sensationalised” and without substance. The Autonomous Bougainville Government (AGB) had warned it might use “other avenues to gain its independence” should the PNG government “continue ...
Where some saw the worst press conference given by the government to date, Anna Rawhiti-Connell recognised girl maths game.Nicola Willis, recently exasperated by comparisons to Ruth Richardson, said she was “a bit sick of being compared with every female finance minister that’s ever been out there.”Some think that’s ...
The March results are reported against forecasts based on the Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update 2023 (HYEFU 2023), published on 20 December 2023 and the results for the same period for the previous year. ...
Jamie Arbuckle, the district councillor who became an MP but decided to keep getting paid for both roles, will instead donate one salary to charity. ...
Adding gender to the Human Rights Act would simply make the implicit explicit. So why is it so controversial? Paul Thistoll explain. At present, Aotearoa’s 1993 Human Rights Act (HRA) includes sex, marital status, religious belief, ethical belief (meaning a lack of religious belief), colour, race, ethnicity or national origin, ...
As part of our series exploring how New Zealanders live and our relationship with money, an 18-year-old who’s studying and working in hospo shares their approach to spending and saving. Want to be part of The Cost of Being? Fill out the questionnaire here.Gender: Transmasc Age: 18 Ethnicity: Pākehā/Māori Role: Student, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jane Kelsey, Emeritus Professor of Law, University of Auckland, Waipapa Taumata Rau Getty Images Resources Minister Shane Jones has reportedly asked officials for advice on whether oil and gas companies could be offered “bonds” as compensation if drilling rights offered by ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kate Gleeson, Associate Professor of Law, Macquarie University Shutterstock The Albanese government is weighing up the costs of delivering an election promise to protect religious people from discrimination in Commonwealth law. Such protections were relatively uncontroversial when included in state anti-discrimination ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Yen Ying Lim, Associate Professor, Turner Institute for Brain and Mental Health, Monash University Pexels/Andrea Piacquadio Dementia is often described as “the long goodbye”. Although the person is still alive, dementia slowly and irreversibly chips away at their memories and the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Judy Bush, Senior Lecturer in Urban Planning, The University of Melbourne Adam Calaitzis/Shutterstock I met with a friend for a walk beside Merri Creek, in inner Melbourne. She had lived in the area for a few years, and as we walked ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David Throsby, Distinguished Professor of Economics, Macquarie University Arts companies and individual artists in Australia are supported by government arts agencies, philanthropists, industry bodies, private donors and patrons. However, it is frequently overlooked that a major source of support for the arts ...
Harm Reduction Coalition Aotearoa, a new incorporated society dedicated to ending harmful drug policies, officially launched today, seeks a new fit-for-purpose drug law for Aotearoa New Zealand, rooted in science, experience and evidence. ...
The Corrections Minister admits he "muddied the water" after he and the Prime Minister repeatedly provided incorrect information about a $1.9 billion prison spend-up. ...
It took a post-post-cabinet statement to confirm that 810 new beds will be built at Waikeria, writes Stewart Sowman-Lund in this extract from The Bulletin. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. ...
Lili Tokaduadua was only 15 when she left her family in Fiji to pursue her netball dream in New Zealand. She’d been playing the sport for 10 years and was offered a netball scholarship at Auckland’s Howick College. Now, in her first year out of high school, the 19-year-old defender ...
The beloved local grocers lost a legal challenge to stop a new cycleway outside their store. Joel MacManus reports. In the annals of New Zealand legal history, there are a few brave people who have dared to stand up to the powers that be, no matter how bleak the odds ...
How what we produce and what we eat connects us to the world beyond our shores, visualised. Walking around a supermarket or vege shop, it might be obvious that everything on the shelves came from somewhere. But you might ...
Thirty years on from Rwanda’s genocide, is guilt over the atrocities is blinding the world to the true nature of its current leadership? The post The repressive underside of Rwanda’s regime appeared first on Newsroom. ...
Opinion: Last week, important recommendations for our criminal justice system were made by the international community. Every five years, each member of the United Nations has its human rights practices reviewed. This rolling event – the Universal Periodic Review – is the culmination of a government reporting on its human ...
Highly pathogenic avian influenza – H5N1, or bird flu – has been flying around the world since the late 1990s. New Zealand, Australia and the Pacific Islands are so far free of it, but now it’s been discovered in mainland Antarctica and scientists say it’s only a matter of time ...
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Some big issues are going to be thrashed out at the Green Party conference.
Should MPs have the right to dissent from the party line without being thrown out of parliament?
Should Party caucus’s have the right to over rule the membership?
The battle lines are being drawn between those who want to give power to the executives to ignore their membership, and give power to the executives to expel dissenting MPs. And between those who want to protect the right of the membership and parliamentary dissenters to be heard.
Free speech is a topical hot potato out in society, but also inside parliament, and also, inside the Green Party.
Yesterday Pete George related a quote from Nandor Tanczos;
Like PG I think it is noteworthy that Tanczos has made this comment in the current political environment. It has not come out of a vacuum.
Tanczos comment was made against a background of debate inside the Green Party, over caucus over ruling the membership.
And especially as the Green Party’s caucus’s decision to back the NZ First’s Waka Jumping Bill, which is also an infringement of free speech in parliament, because it gives party executives the right to over rule MPs right to free speech under threat of expulsion from parliament.
Most Green Party members, (And apparently, at least three leading Green Party ex-MPs), believe that these two things, are an attack on parliamentary and party democracy.
And they are right.
But I would go further than this, and argue that both these two things put together actually spell the end of the Green Party, at least as far as being a parliamentary force, by limiting the Green Party’s ability to lobby and influence other MPs to support the issues that they hold dear.
(Principally the protection of the biosphere from the multiple assaults from the corporate polluters, whose well funded lobbyists have the ear of the bigger parties.)
I don’t think it goes too far, to say that these two changes will see the Green Party caucus captured by the bigger parties. And the end of any minority dissenting political voice in parliament.
I would go even further to suggest that these two changes will accelerate the traditional process of smaller parties becoming shaded out and marginalised by the bigger more conservative parties in parliament. A process which eventually leads to voter collapse for the smaller party.
Waka Jumping: Former MPs hope Greens conference will make party pull support
HENRY COOKE – @stuff.co.nz, August 18, 2018
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106380985/waka-jumping-former-mps-hopes-greens-conference-will-make-party-pull-support
They should stop debating this meaningless process crap and start really celebrating their significant successes within this government. Shaw did a useful job of it yesterday. Shaw and Sage have been the people delivering actual policy results. The Greens will do better than 5% if they do a better job of showing how effective they are.
For once I agree with you Ad about the “meaningless crap” Waka bill. Yes “technically” it might curb individual rights but when looked at the practical reality, without the Waka jumping bill it was used in more destructive ways to reduce democracy and bribe or manipulate the electoral process and balance of power. We have plenty of examples!
Hopefully the significant successes are still to come, but the Greens are in government which should be celebrated and hopefully they and Labour and NZ First can work together to make a much greater positive environmental impact as well as start reversing the effects of devastating Natz social and environmental policy over the past decade.
Hi Ad,
I know for a fact that some New Zealand First MPs are drawn to some Green Party positions on the environment. And at least a couple have some quite progressive views, especially around climate change.
The Waka Jumping Bill clearly targets the Greens. The Waka Jumping Bill will act to curb any influence the Greens may have on other MPs in parliament, who may harbour some sympathy for their views. Under threat of dismissal by their executives, no NZ First or Labour MP will want to take up a position that supports a Green position against their Party’s position.
But even you Ad, must realise that the Green Party’s ability to be effective in swaying parliament from a minority position will be harmed by the Waka Jumping Bill.
Any MPs from any of the other parties who might be convinced of supporting a Green Party bill, on any issue that their executive disagrees with, can now be disciplined or threatened by that executive if they don’t fall into line.
And as history has proved, a minor Party that cannot get any wins on the board will be seen as ineffective and a wasted vote even by their own supporters.
If this bill is used to its full extent against the Green Party by the other governing parties, I can see the Green’s effectiveness in influencing parliament being severely curtailed.
If, as you maintain Ad, the Green Party’s electoral success is going to be measured by how “effective they are” then by this measure their vote must go down, not up.
NZF and Labour are the only parties with major defections. Not Greens.
Labour went through 6 years debating member V MP “rights” and it was electoral disaster. Learn our lessons.
If all they are going to do is debate process, they will be equated as disunited. Exactly as Hooten predicted last week.
They’re actually there to support their party’s position – not their position.
No it won’t.
Wrong.
The support will happen in the background. The Green Executive is supporting the Waka Jumping bill because they’ve got wins elsewhere from NZ1st.
The Green Party is getting ‘wins’ all over the freaking show and they’re not being quiet about it so why do you think that they’re not getting anywhere? Too busy consulting with your navel?
I’m pretty sure that that can’t happen.
Which is you talking out your arse.
The Greens have got wins from this. Wins that they wouldn’t have got if they’d not supported it through.
And remember, the majority of people support this legislation and so the Greens are more likely to get even more support from the populace because their support of it.
In relation to that, how would it apply to the Green party with 2 co-leaders?
Say a situation arose whereby both co-leaders wern’t happy with each other and sought a 2/3 caucus majority to expel each other from Parliament – what then?
This law makes the taking of political vengeance out of the voters hands and places it in the hands of any errant dictator who holds the leadership of a party.
It really is the ‘World according to Winston’ and it is sad that the long principled Green party is aiding and abetting this legislative paranoia.
From now on, if you aspire to be an MP, you must do so under the duress that you are accountable to voters once every three years but beholden to your party leader every day of every year.
Its government but it ain’t democracy.
/agreed
Agreed
List mps have to get the arse from parliament if they leave the party
Electorate mps get to stay .
It us that simple .
Hi Waghorn,
I would argue that even list MPs have been put in their positions by a democratic process, and should only be removed by a democratic process, and not by fiat from the executive.
That the democratic process that list MPs are chosen on, is an internal party one, makes it no less a democratic process.
And that in fact they do have a mandate that they represent through that process.
A list MP, (even just by the very nature of their method of selection), who may be more in-touch with the feelings of the grass roots party membership. When it comes to a difference, or dispute between Party and caucus, might feel moved to defy the executive and stand with the membership. In that situation, for this to be grounds for the executive to dismiss that MP from parliament would clearly be undemocratic.
If the executive or caucus really do have an issue with a list MP then they should only be allowed to put it back to the membership for a decision on whether or not that MP be sacked from parliament.
whatever you think of the waka jumping bill, Shaw and co are in the business of government, while Jeanette Fitzsimons and Sue Bradford are in the business of giving virtuoso performances as to why they were not.
“Shaw and co are in the business of government…”
Largely due the earlier party building groundwork laid by people like Fitzsimons and Bradford.
And if Shaw and co want to stay in the business of government, they must remember they have to keep the wider party on board.
You are right . Big but . Imagine if labour and nzf were only one seat ahead of nact. How easy would it be for the nats to destabilise and even pull down the gov . The same goes for a rogue list mp(I’m not forgetting the greens this is just a scenario)
For the good of mmp waka jumping or dismissed list mps must leave parliament if they quit or are fired from their party .
Hi Waghorn.
Jeanette Fitzsimmons argues against your premise, because she feels that the Labour and New Zealand MPs would back away from this bill, and wouldn’t take the risk of crashing the government. And that if the Green Party Caucus refused to be intimidated by NZ First and Labour, and instead mustered the courage to call their bluff, they would not take the risk of crashing the government by pushing this bill through against Green Party opposition.
But it’s not just about crashing the gummint is it? NZF have supported a lot of environmental stuff that they can’t be happy with and there will be more. A dysfunctional government would be just as disastrous.
And none more “unhappy”, than climate change denier and fossil fuel fan boy, Shane Jones.
But, I think Solkta that you are wrong, “there will be more”. This bill will help ensure there isn’t.
Which will bring a smile back to Shane’s face.
You don’t think there will be any more environmental policy this term? How will the Greens supporting this bill mean they won’t achieve anything more? You make no sense.
Makes perfect sense.
The Waka Jumping Bill makes no sense except as a means to keep the Greens in line.
Being the smallest partner in a three Party coalition, the Green Party can only get policy through with the support of other progressive or sympathetic MPs outside of their party.
Well that ain’t gonna happen now that their executives can threaten to chuck them out, if they dare depart from the party line to support a Green Party policy, either in Committee, or on the Floor of the House.
Meaning of course, that for the most part no Green Party policy will ever see the light of day.
And the Greens will disappear into irrelevancy, becoming little more than a dead end appendix attached to the side of the mainstream legislative digestive system. Maybe getting a little inflamed now and then, resulting in a little bit of heartburn. But on the whole manageable, and longer term on the waiting list for an appointment to be prepped to be completely excised, come 2020.
Yes that’s right, because there is this large group of National MPs who are rearing to cross the floor at any opportunity they can to support Green policy.
Meanwhile, a good relationship between coalition partners allows for each coalition agreement to be met.
My guess is that Jeanette Fitzsimons will be copying the Shane Jones look today.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103068858/photo-says-it-all-how-shane-jones-reacted-to-governments-oil-news
That is not a valid position.
This isn’t the Greens giving in and getting nothing for it. They’ve got wins elsewhere for their support. NZ1st get this win, Greens get a win elsewhere and we end up with a functioning government rather than one that can’t do anything.
“This isn’t the Greens giving in and getting nothing for it. They’ve got wins elsewhere for their support.”
Can you show me where the Greens have stated that?
And if that is the case, why did they lie and say their hands were tied?
Internal emails.
They didn’t lie.
First they stated they inadvertently accepted it in their agreement with Labour. So I don’t see NZF unnecessarily giving anything up.
Then they stated their hands were tied as they were bound by their agreement. Which turned out to be a lie. Now you are claiming they said they secured wins, which seems to me to be another lie.
The Chairman, who pretends to support The Greens and wish them well, repeats his claim that “The Greens lied”, over and over.
He
is
not
a
supporter
of
The Greens.
It’s not just my claim Robert, it’s a reported fact.
https://pro.newsroom.co.nz/articles/3760-bryce-edwards-the-process-of-the-waka-jumping-bill-shows-why-we-shouldn-t-trust-politicians
Calls something a “reported fact”. Links to an opinion piece.
Does the coalition agreement explicitly state they have to vote for it? No.
Does “good faith” imply that if the other party in an agreement wants a particular thing very strongly, and you only oppose it moderately, that in “good faith” you might concede that point to preserve the relationship? In some circumstances, it can.
I was referring to the fact within – i.e. the advice given to the Greens from the Cabinet Office.
Which states good faith is a political statement around how the Greens endeavour to work with the Government. It commits them to work through areas of concern in good faith, but does not bind them to support everything set out in the Labour/New Zealand First coalition agreement.
Therefore, when the Greens told us they were bound by the agreement, they lied.
And while cheerleaders like Robert are happy to accept them lying, a number of us aren’t.
Not collapse the government. That’s right. Greens have signed an agreement that says negioate in good faith. Refusing to negotiate is the exact opposite of good faith.
The reality is the signed agreement is there. Sure life wout continue but just one NZF mp jumps the Waka and greens would never be in government again. Do they really want to start the first year in a government showing exactly why they were locked out during the 2000s.
This business about whether a politican lied or not. If a politician said they never lied then you would know that was a lie. Making a big deal about one changing their mind or finding that it wasn’t politic to continue is not a big problem unless someone deeply supercilious, great word, decides it is and makes a ‘federal case’ out of it.
The Greens lied to their supporters to help them sallow what many deemed to be a dead rat.
And the consequence of that is they have now hurt their credibility.
Moreover, they’ve been caught out lying, yet there has been no public apology, which further damages their character, values, thus brand.
That’s because they don’t understand the real problem – parliamentary politics doesn’t actually work the way that they believe it works.
The Green Party MPs are now in a position where they’re having to make decisions faster than consultation with the party members allows. They’re also going to have to make compromises and deals that don’t fully uphold the agreed position of the party. Especially when what consultation does happen brings about a stalemate which is what happened in this case (Which actually means that the original position is not as hard and fast as some in the party believed).
Yes, I’m aware that the Green Party makes decisions by consensus but what percentage of members were actually part of that consensus?
The Waka Jumping Bill should go through because some 80% of the population support it. A majority of National’s members support it as well but National leaders and MPs are fully against it and so the party will vote against it in block including the ones who are for it. And they won’t have this public hoohaa going on.
Party politics requires a party MP to tow the party line which will be against what some in the party want including some of those MPs.
This is why I think we need Participatory Democracy. Where the will of the majority rules and not the clique in parliament. Parliament would still be there but they’d be there to enact what the majority decide and not what they personally think.
I don’t think PG rates as an authority on socialist revolutions of any kind – fascist ones being more his métier.
“The battle lines are being drawn between those who want to give power to the executives to ignore their membership, and give power to the executives to expel dissenting MPs. And between those who want to protect the right of the membership and parliamentary dissenters to be heard”
Yet, party co-leaders Shaw and Davidson said they were simply reviewing all of the party’s “documents”.
Going off that comment re Shaw and Davidson, it seems the so-called leader of the left faction (Davidson) is also aligning against the membership on this one.
Makes one wonder what else is it the caucus wants to do that they know the wider membership won’t like?
Unlike Labour, National and NZF, the Greens do not need a Waka jumping bill, because we can simply remove MP’s by vote/consensus, if we wish.
Democracy.
What’s your take on Shaw and Davidson reviewing all of the party’s “documents” and Fitzsimmons concern?
I don’t think it’s going to help reunite the party.
I don’t think listening to concern trolls is going to help in any way.
I’m not as familiar with the waka-jumping bill as I should be, and I’m wary of it when in view of the pedigree of some who oppose it, but I would point out that when NZ first MPs left their party under the Shipley ministry, and when Alamein Kopu left the Alliance party, the result was precisely this propping up of the larger parties that you fear the waka-jumping legislation will foster.
Alcohol is a significant carcinogen.
Stop drinking.
“The biggies are really smoking and alcohol. Both tobacco smoke and alcoholic beverages are classified by the IARC as Group 1A: that’s “carcinogenic to humans”. In other words, there’s no doubt about it. Other things in this category include arsenic, asbestos and plutonium.
We have a big blind spot about alcohol; we know how bad it is for us, but we don’t want to hear it or do anything about it. Nevertheless, alcohol is linked with at least seven cancers, and the level of drinking that increases our cancer risk is lower than we’d probably like to hear. The less we drink, really, the better. ”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12107518
Stop drinking.
Professor Doug Selman is an expert on the matter.
He has been Director of the National Addiction Centre, Christchurch School of Medicine & Health Sciences since its inception in 1996 and Professor within the University of Otago since 2006.
He says the following.
“Alcohol is a cause of cancers of the mouth, throat, oesophagus, liver, large bowel and breast, and quite possibly the pancreas, prostate and melanoma as well, although the evidence for these others is not as strong at this point. These were the conclusions of a large international meta-analysis, involving 572 separate studies, published in the British Journal of Cancer.
The really important point that Connor makes is that many of the cases of these alcohol-related cancers occur in moderate drinkers, ie they are not confined to people with severe alcoholism.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/83179106/Doug-Sellman-An-irresponsible-alcohol-industry-is-doing-its-best-to-confuse
With the rate of price increases on cigarettes over the last decade, I’d argue that tax increases are more effective in bringing overall rates of use down.
https://www.smokefree.org.nz/smoking-its-effects/facts-figures
For cigarettes, a decade ago 16% of 15-17 year olds smoked, now it’s 4%.
Also the social assistance through spatial regulation and quit programmes is really strong.
I’d be very keen to hear from people who’ve modelled the effect of tax increases on alcohol consumption.
Dr John Marsden agrees with you.
“You [could] probably double the tax, in the case of tobacco what we’ve done… is push the taxed component up to more than half of the total retail price, well it would be sensible to do the same with alcohol,” he said.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/08/new-zealand-needs-to-double-tax-on-alcohol-economist.html
I think we need to tackle product labelling, advertising and availability as well.
http://www.lawcom.govt.nz/sites/default/files/projectAvailableFormats/NZLC%20R114.pdf
I’d group alcohol, cannabis, and tobacco under one regime and tax the bejeesus out of them at a common rate, and have a common age of consent to buy and to use at 21.
21: your birthday to get truly wasted at.
That would be more useful than different labels that no-one gives a damn about.
Good points made.
More evidence.
The New Zealand Medical Association.
“Despite its normalisation in society, alcohol is not an ordinary commodity. It is a toxin, an intoxicant and an addictive psychotropic drug. As such, its sale and supply is subject to regulation in virtually every country. The current regulatory environment for the sale and supply of alcohol in New Zealand is not doing enough to protect New Zealanders from alcohol-related harms.”
‘New Zealand: Where alcohol is normalised – and that means more drinking.
Boozing has become normalised in New Zealand, and that means it’s likely we’ll drink more – and at higher risk levels, new research says.
One of the study’s authors, Massey University’s Docter Taisia Huckle, said: “What does normalisation look like? It looks like New Zealand.
“We have a situation where alcohol is completely normalised in society, through advertising, marketing and availability, alcohol is reasonably priced.”
School children could walk past three liquor outlets on the way to school or see advertising on social media, she said.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/104684246/new-zealand-where-alcohol-is-normalised–and-that-means-more-drinking
The facts stand out.
‘The Ministry of Health estimates that over 780,000 adults are hazardous drinkers. Statistics NZ figures show the drinking habits for more than a third of people aged 18-24 could be potentially hazardous – regularly consuming six more drinks in a single session.
Dr Jackson warns there’s been an increase in hazardous drinking every year since 2011, and says it’s increased by more than 50 percent among those aged 45 to 64 years.
As well as this, hazardous drinking in the 66-74-year age group more than doubled from 2011/12 to 2015/16.
“Our older drinkers are some of the heaviest drinkers in the world,” she says.
This drinking has a chilling effect our health system. During the 2016-2017 financial year, 4070 people were hospitalised due to their alcohol consumption.’
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/06/new-zealand-reaches-crisis-point-with-drinking.html
So why do so many New Zealanders still drink?
They are brainwashed.
‘Despite multiple reports over many years of the damage that alcohol is inflicting on individuals and communities, including the critical issue of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder risk, little real action is occurring, according to the authors.
“It is as if the New Zealand population has been brainwashed and in the grips of a mass social delusion – viewing alcohol as a harmless recreational product which enhances quality of life, and thinking if you are not regularly consuming the tonic you are clearly not part of the cool and successful social mainstream, and possibly a rather ‘iffy’ member of society.”
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE1807/S00122/time-for-government-action-on-reducing-alcohol-related-harm.htm
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/105735528/calls-for-bold-government-action-as-study-reveals-drinking-habits-of-pregnant-kiwi-women
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/105735528/calls-for-bold-government-action-as-study-reveals-drinking-habits-of-pregnant-kiwi-women
“Why do so many New Zealanders still drink?”
One of the reasons is it is social lubricant.
What health benefits are there from several belly laughs?
I am nursing a hangover this morning from a very long and civilised four course lunch with friends in Titirangi yesterday that did the whole shooting match – beer & cocktails, aperitifs, champagne, various bottles of wine with different courses, dessert wine, brandy, and then (quelle horreur!) more liquor & furtively smoked tobacco based products on the porch. The whole affair took us five hours before the taxis came and carried off the guests in a number of greater or lesser state of hors de combat.
It was a splendid day.
🙂
Yes, it will eventually kill us but then again, ultimately so does the calendar.
I am glad you had a nice day.
However, there are known externalities to alcohol consumption.
We cannot just dismiss them.
http://www.ahw.org.nz/Portals/5/Resources/pdf/Violence_F_Sheet.pdf
Well done.
It’s great to push the boat out from time to time.
I was more referring to quiet drink with a colleague after work.
I get kiwi can have a major issue with alcohol abuse.
I was responding to the notion that there is no upside to consuming alcohol based on my experiences.
I am reluctant to confess that I have become smitten with home brewing cider.
The latest being a wonderful hopped chilli cider.
I had to give up home brewing on account of the impact my fine stouts were having on my liver and waistline.
Now I have bees as a hobby, they obligingly make lots of honey for me, which makes for excellent Xmas presents.
I have not troubled to record the opinion of the bees on this matter.
To sanctuary above, when you say bees, I think mead…
All the hectoring in the world about cancer and other non-immediate consequences aren’t going to overcome the fact that consuming alcohol gives rise to pleasurable experiences.
But the one observation that prompted me to stop the alcohol except for occasional social functions is that I sleep much much better if I haven’t had a drink. I doubt I’m unique in that respect.
For once I agree with you. We did full 3 course dinner at home in celebration of several things. A hangover today and the chance of cancer in the future was well worth it.
Better to enjoy this life than try and spend every minute worrying.
Doug sellman is the worst kind of academic. Becoming an expert for the sole purpose of banging on about something that the majority of people enjoy and use responsibly and trying to demonise normal behaviour.
Does an economist persuade you then?
‘Alcohol harm more than triple the cost of all Treaty claims so far – economist.
Optimistic numbers show that more than half of the alcohol drunk in New Zealand is harmful – costing each New Zealander $1635 a year.
That cost – which annually dwarfs money paid out for Treaty of Waitangi settlements – didn’t even factor in “intergenerational harm”, which would push the number higher still, Berl principal economist Ganesh Nana said.
Nana presented his figures to a Te Papa conference on who should pay for the harm of alcohol.
That harm in New Zealand was $7.8 billion annually compared to $2.2b spent on Treaty of Waitangi settlements since the 1990s, he said.
He found alcohol-related harm cost every New Zealander $1635 each per year.
“Lost production of labour is costing us $3.3b a year, health costs combined with road crashes $860 million and alcohol-fuelled crime $1.1b a year.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/106343048/alcohol-harm-more-than-triple-the-cost-of-all-treaty-claims-so-far–economist
Optimistic numbers show that more than half of the alcohol drunk in New Zealand is harmful
I’m sure a good Merlot is not in that half.
Yes we celebrated Simon’s 17th birthday, the one teacher to 30,000 kid idea, and the fact the party hasn’t completely imploded last night too.
When you like to gamble it serves to know the risks. Out of interest, do you have an idea, approximate is fine, what the lifetime risks are for developing and dying from cancer? You may not like the answer …
“Yes, it will eventually kill us but then again, ultimately so does the calendar.”
I guess herion users could say the same thing. And people who surf the roofs of trains or play Russian Roulette. Thrills n spills!
I have a friend who was huffing and puffing in the gym one day and he asked his personal trainer if any of it would extend his life beyond a fairly inflexible pre-determined genetic end point. His personal trainer said yes, it would would – up to ten years if he tried hard. But the trouble is, it is all at the wrong end.
None of us are here for more than a blink in the eye of eternity. The world is a great place and the delights of Dionysus are part of it, enjoy it while you can because in the worlds of J M Keynes, in the long run we are all dead.
Sanctuary, yes, on a personal level, but as Ed points out, it’s bigger than that: the issue of young mothers drinking alcohol then producing babies suffering from fatal alcohol syndrome must give you pause to think that as a social trend, burgeoning alcohol consumption could do with some focus from us all; yes?
“…he issue of young mothers drinking alcohol then producing babies suffering from fatal alcohol syndrome must give you pause to think that as a social trend, burgeoning alcohol consumption could do with some focus from us all; yes? …”
No, not really. Alcohol abuse is endemic to all societies.
We all know how to deal with this issue. Ban supermarket sales, bring in minimum pricing, restrict the number of off-licence outlets and control their opening hours – say, close them all between 9pm and 12am and all day Sunday. Until then, nothing much will change, and until a politician proposes such measures I have given up worrying about it.
We don’t have that mythical drinking culture they chattering classes strive for. And anyway as i said, it is just a myth. Those southern Europeans the travelling middle class so admire get as pissed as any German or Anglo-Saxon. Who hasn’t been woken up by a braying donkey under a blazing sun in an Olive grove, suffering a blinding hangover, after to much beer, Ouzo and Retsina with the locals in a lovely Cretan taverna?* They were drinking too, you know.
We just mistake their lack of violence when plonked for moderation.
Personally, i would like to see more research on why we are so violent when drunk.
*OK, so that might have just been me. I was young, give me a break.
A member of the Titirangi elite.
It’s worrying how much in denial people are.
We have a crisis folks.
Pretending we don’t doesn’t make it go away.
How many more deaths?
How many more babies with foetal alcohol syndrome?
How many more suicides?
How many more rapes?
How much more domestic violence?
How many more car crashes?
How many more hospitalisations?
Before the complacency ends.
Something tells me the bourgeoisie will not listen and continue to sup.
There’s quite a few of us here.
We’re like the leftie X-Files.
Are you saying that we have august personages in Titirangi blogging here? I don’t understand your brief reference. Is it in-language between yourself and another elite who are slumming here?
More belly laughs….
“Conservatively, it’s thought 600 children are born in New Zealand every year with some form of brain damage caused by their mother drinking alcohol, often before they even knew they were pregnant. But many experts think the real number.”
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/2018658561/insight-foetal-alcohol-damaging-baby-brains
Oh wow. You found a new hobby-horse, rode it to death, and started flogging the corpse. All in one sub-thread.
Actually, I linked anyone interested to a variety of experts in the field on a serious issue facing this country.
Thanks for your entirely negative put down response.
This is Open Mike.
Ed. That makes sobering reading and while it could be argued you over did the messaging, your research shows how serious the issue is for New Zealanders and individuals who drink alcohol, even at moderate levels. I found this passage especially chilling:
“Dr Jackson warns there’s been an increase in hazardous drinking every year since 2011, and says it’s increased by more than 50 percent among those aged 45 to 64 years.
As well as this, hazardous drinking in the 66-74-year age group more than doubled from 2011/12 to 2015/16.
“Our older drinkers are some of the heaviest drinkers in the world,” she says.
This drinking has a chilling effect our health system. During the 2016-2017 financial year, 4070 people were hospitalised due to their alcohol consumption.’”
It is Open Mike and while you’ll always attract criticism, often fair, for overdoing your delivery, not “snapping” back would help the medicine go down 🙂
If only it were sobering literally as well as metaphorically.
Government ( left and right ) in the pockets of massive multinational liquor corporations and their lobbyists have their ears.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7994823/Liquor-lobbyists-press-Collins
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/103655890/the-national-party-was-donated-three-times-more-money-than-labour-last-year–but-labour-won
Robert G
As lefties I would expect support for the fair treatment of our citizens including good education on limiting drinking and help to give up when pregnant.
Also willingness to limit drug availability, and the end of treating alcohol especially wine as a sophisticated person’s tipple and therefore not to be belittled. Try having a glass of water first in pubs would be a good way of protecting your organs from being pickled too strongly as a first step!
I guess popping a disco biscuit is also out of the quetsion?
or sniffing the Peruvian marching powder?
You found a new hobby-horse, rode it to death, and started flogging the corpse.
What about climate change and veganism?
Which would help mitigate climate change more – stopping a diet based around flesh and blood eating and the massive resources needed to generate that sweeping sausage or prohibiting alcohol?
Of course climate change is the number one issue.
Most other things fade into insignificance by comparison.
Stopping eating meat is probably the biggest thing you can do as an individual to mitigate climate change.
Hey Ed, this is a reply to your comment above in regards to lobbying.
Now I am right with you.
The alcohol industry is one of the barriers to changing legislation around marijuana reform.
Supermarkets too, seem to have the grog all tied up.
Lobbying could be more acceptable if it was transparent and had limits around it.
Nick Leggatt.
Paid to pimp for the booze barons.
How does he sleep at night?
On a metaphoric pillow stuffed with cash.
Don’t panic, go organic!
Eat organic meat, and know that the animal was part of a farm organism, which uses animal manure to enrich compost for sustainable cropping.
And what percentage of New Zealand’s farming is produced in that way?
The vast majority looks like this.
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/dominionfilm
Ed
I quite like a good red with my filet stake. And I aren’t about to give it up in order to save the world.
That comment says a lot.
Yes a harmer of sentient beings and a climate denier all rolled into one.
Maybe not a climate denier, but certainly someone who puts their own selfish desires above the needs of others and the planet.
So, in other words, a neoliberal capitalist.
don’t forget the alcohol drinker – hard to tell if the demon drink took him or the excessive flesh consumption. But one thing we do know is that evil has a name now…
I think both marty. Flesh and blood eating gives protein and alcohol gives a more toxic, carbohydrate that ruins the brain and creates deficiencies in reliability in the addicted one’s working and family life.
Someone was pointing out how we have lost control of our wine industry largely to foreigners. NZs grow on contract mostly is the word. Also it uses a lot of water like dairying. And relies on elevated incomes at the upper end. Let them make homebrew when the market falls and we will grow oats on the land left vacant. This grain is a major valued one after wheat and as I understand it has lots of good things in it.
Good for my breakfast, and doesn’t lead to a red-veined nose like the big drinkers I have observed.
Good points.
On this you’re totally correct; huge blind spot. I don’t drink much at all, but on reflection here I’m going to cut it altogether. Good references.
So SOMA Ed ?
Actually, all indicators seem to show that New Zealanders are drinking less, not more. Off all the pubs that were open back in 1998, I would wager that only half to two thirds are still open today.
The data provided in tharticle would suggest consumption is up.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/104684246/new-zealand-where-alcohol-is-normalised–and-that-means-more-drinking
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/104684246/new-zealand-where-alcohol-is-normalised–and-that-means-more-drinking
Can Alcohol Help You Live Longer? Here’s What the Research Really Says
I think I’ll stick with the age old Everything in moderation including moderation.
Cheers:)
DTB
I think that research about moderate alcohol being good for you stands up to todays scrutiny in current studies.
Drinking every day is bad for you. It is better to have a day off after two days on or something like that. And then only have one glass. It is the sort of perfection that it would be hard to achieve.
Seen this? https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/106158271/huge-alcohol-clinical-trial-collapses
My link said many of the same things but it referenced a different study.
A good read
Is that a conspiracy theory from the Maori left? That the white Europeans colonised lands because the natives where less worthy? I thought the imperialism was for resources, so they could fight-off the other Kings, Kaisers and Tsar. If it wasn’t the English, it would have been the French. And any French colony I ever saw, had dogs shitting where they shouldn’t. Pardon, but many of us Maori can still recognise a glass half full 😉
English could quickly see the Maori where equals, too strong to push around, so they did a Treaty, then slowly marginalised the natives with law, banking and all that til capitalism had full control. Ok, maybe the English where more skilled at industrial governance and finance. But the Maori are stronger on mana and all that.
There are lots of threads to the weave. Each valid because of the specific perspective and also as a whole, combined narrative.
Personally I don’t think the English were benevolent to Māori – they still stole the land and resources and tried to annihilate Te Ao Māori albiet with silk gloves on rather than their usual rusty blade.
Would you have preferred the French, marty mars?
None of the bastards would be my choice.
But it was inevitable that someone would arrive; perhaps the English were the best option? And if so, lets get on with making the best of it 🙂
Bullshit mate. Sad to read that crap from you.
Marty! I don’t understand your comment but would like to: which bit is bullshit? I don’t want to have given the wrong impression so would appreciate the chance to clarify.
If you are killed in 1942 by a Nazi or non Nazi German do you think you care about their naziness?
The English were NEVER the best of the bunch – their trail of misery spans the globe and adversly affected many differnt indigenous peoples. We rate the english and conform history showing how nice they were because of historic clingons.
And yes we are here and we are what we are. We are the waka and the waka is us,
End.
Thanks, Marty. I share your view of “The English” and their/our rapacious ways/history, however…I still wonder who you would nominate to have replaced them as the incoming culture, given that there was bound to be one; the French? Portuguese? Russians? Chinese? Who, I wonder, would you welcome in place of the English?
The complication for me, is … blood. If we are to regard our genetic material as tapu, what do we say about our English toto? Can we dismiss it as not us, indulge in some selective self-hatred, or what?
Robert my father is English. My whakapapa includes his lines. That is just the way it is. This is the way with whakapapa – lots of Scots in there too.
There is no answer to if not the English then who – it is irrelevant.
Thanks, Marty. I’m sorry, I can’t follow this discussion; must be too distracted by the beautiful sunny day we are enjoying here me aku mokopuna e takaro ana around my legs and the temptation to plant out the 100 red currants I lifted yesterday from my cuttings bed…in any case, kia pai to ra e hoa.
Robert I wonder sometimes about how it would have been if French had got here and showed real, lasting interest. They still interfere from Paris in Tahitian politics but have they been worse than other countries in their style? The Portugese left Timor L’Este in a bit of a mess. Russians and China have tried to change their own political systems and lines of power, with great upheavals in the main country spreading out to their adherents.
The start of NZ was not to be a place to banish Brit criminals like Australia which seems to have left a calculating materialistic culture there. So the zeitgeist was slightly different here at the start, but Maori still had to struggle against free market business approaches, a set of legal attacks on their land owning rights, disease, rigid class systems, and an attempt to obliterate their language and culture. But the Treaty prevented a wholesale bulldozer approach by colonists. Whether the other colonising countries used this legal, or similar agreement I don’t know.
The Dutch also could be considered as they were prominent in parts of the Pacific.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_Indies#Social_history
There is no easy answer – live in perfect peace and that means to be vulnerable to determined adventurers. How people are trying to find a place that they can hold as their own and not be denied a place or job in it by the whims of others who seek to possess whatever they want and dispossess those who have it.
Pitcairn Island in 2015 story –
https://theculturetrip.com/europe/articles/11-unclaimed-lands-you-can-actually-rule/
Scottish stories:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/this-island-is-not-for-sale-how-eigg-fought-back
and
Joining together and investing to own your own place:
http://www.visitknoydart.co.uk/kf
https://theculturetrip.com/europe/articles/11-unclaimed-lands-you-can-actually-rule/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations
Micro island colonised by plastic – timely piece.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/05/henderson-island-pitcairn-trash-plastic-pollution/
This morning on Radionz Mediawatch there was an item on some bent pseudo-history fantasy that had been made in NZ with a mix of useful dips into the useful bits of science, mixed with supposition and factoids from informed people who can not be named because they would be chastised for leaking by their peers or families. Mediawatch got it taken down from TV on Demand – I think in their Documentary and Factual section!
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018658273/seven-foot-tall-pre-maori-disappear-from-tvnz
They married quite a few. That was probably a dirty beastly trick too.
Ha I think it wasn’t a strategy for them that arrived here.
For conquering Māori it was a strategy – ties whakapapa together.
That is – for Māori who conquered other Māori it was a strategy…
I don’t think there’s any conspiracy theory involved in what marty is saying.
Colonisers have always found ways of morally validating their actions – they have to, otherwise the contradiction between their ethical frameworks and what they actually do, becomes too great.
There are a number of justifications – all related: christianising heathens, Darwinian inevitably of more advanced populations displacing less advanced, and cultural superiority. Technology differences are often the vector for such misconceptions – if one culture has sailing ships, astronomical instruments, steam engines, 400 years of printed books including Shakespeare and the King James bible and the other doesn’t – it is likely to mistakenly consider itself superior and do bad things.
Don Brash is the contemporary exemplar of this strand in NZ racism – the deep conviction that the Maori view of the world is pretty worthless and not worth considering
+111
He makes my skin crawl. Wormtongue
Yeah brash and those rwnjs have that effect – filthy lying scum.
Just a half asleep musing.
At the time of writing this, there are 11 comments in Open Mike, six by Ed and all on alcohol consumption in NZ – a subject of some concern obviously. However, my half asleep observation is that Ed supports his six comments with seven links – all to NZ mainstream media sources namely Stuff, the Herald, Scoop, and Newshub all being media that Ed continually criticises and urges us to ignore. Ummm. …
This was intended to be in the 2 thread but sorry, I am on IPad and don’t know how to move it there.
The link is to scientific experts.
Selman, Huckle, Bullen, Connor…..
I could link, using the msm, the arguments made for a pro alcohol shill, such as Leggatt.
Sorry to inconvenience you by introducing this important topic for discussion.
Debating the benefits of a plant based diet and discussing the alcoholic state of New Zealand.
These appear to be off limits subjects for some here.
This is Open Mike.
Thank you Ed, it is important to have a no alcohol diet and a solely plant based one if you can.
Yes it is.
Good for you.
And good for the planet.
And those that don’t stop booze ed?
btw I know your a born again vegan – when did you stop the booze?
But the alcohol, it made from plants.
I think where Ed went wrong was beginning his comments with “Stop drinking”.
We don’t like being told what to do.
solkta
You come up with some good points at times. Can you try to keep up the standard and not deteriorate into sneers and sly smarts.
Are they vegan plants? Not like those venus flytrap non vegan bums.
Some of the plants used for booze look closely related to triffids. I’d be worried about those.
http://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/nzww/2015/07/24/post-41358/67-4.jpg
You can make it from chickens too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cock_ale
Ed does not urge people to ignore those media. What he does do is urge people to read and view them skeptically. Otherwise we end up repeating, even endorsing, fantasies and black propaganda such as “Putin put Trump into the White House”, “Criticizing Israeli crimes = antisemitism”, “Nicky Hager stole those emails”, and “New Zealand’s troops in Afghanistan are helping to keep the peace.”
Thank you Morrissey.
THE CHIMERA OF BRITISH ANTI-SEMITISM, AND
HOW NOT TO FIGHT IT IF IT WERE REAL
by Norman G. Finkelstein, Aug. 17, 2018
The current hysteria engulfing the British Labour Party resolves itself into a pair of interrelated, if discrete, premises: Anti-Semitism in British society at large and the Labour Party in particular have reached crisis proportions. If neither of these premises can be sustained, then the hysteria is a fabrication. In fact, no evidence has been adduced to substantiate either of them; on the contrary, all the evidence points in the opposite direction. The rational conclusion is that the brouhaha is a calculated hoax—dare it be said, plot?—to oust Jeremy Corbyn and the principled leftist politics he represents from British public life.
But even if the allegations were true, the solution would still not be to curb freedom of thought in the Labour Party. At its worthiest, the Left-Liberal tradition has attached a unique, primordial value to Truth; but Truth cannot be attained if dissentients, however obnoxious, are silenced. Given the fraught history of anti-Semitism, on the one hand, and its crude manipulation by Jewish elites, on the other, an objective, dispassionate assessment could appear beyond reach. Still, it must be attempted. The prospect of a historic victory for the Left might otherwise be sabotaged as, thus far, Corbyn’s supporters, whether it be from fear, calculation, or political correctness, dare not speak the name of the evil that is afoot.
The degree of anti-Semitism infecting British society has been the subject of numerous polls over a sustained period of time. These surveys have uniformly, consistently, and unambiguously concluded that anti-Semitism (1) has long been a marginal phenomenon in British society, infecting under 10 percent of the population, (2) is far less salient than hostility to other British minorities, and (3) is less pronounced in the UK than almost anywhere else in Europe. One might suppose that settled matters. But in 2017 the British Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) published a study that purportedly refined conventional wisdom by measuring the “elasticity” of anti-Semitism: that is, not just the percentage of confirmed anti-Semites, but also the prevalence of stereotypes that stigmatize Jews.[1] It found that, whereas a mere 2-5 percent of the British population can be reckoned anti-Semites, fully 30 percent harbor at least one anti-Semitic stereotype.
Before parsing the study’s data, a couple of truisms warrant recalling. First, a generalization is something that is held to be generally true; it evidently allows for exceptions. ….
Read more….
http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/08/17/finkelstein-on-corbyn-mania/
From the Herald
“I gambled 72 hours non-stop without eating, I gambled without thinking of the consequences.”
The casino made him a VIP………
Host responsibility yea right
Sky City must be happy politicians are in their pocket.
Gambling, alcohol, tobacco . sugar, shit food all high profit , lots of money for the corrupt that run the place.
I heard Kim Hill interview a guy on depression yesterday and he made a lot of sense but then he mentioned possible link between mental ill health and processed food and I thought , well that’s the last we’ll hear of you .
I also see that anti psychotics use is on the rise sounds like a win win for to high profit industries.
“I also see that anti psychotics use is on the rise sounds like a win win for to high profit industries.”
How is this a win win for high profit industries in NZ ?
big pharma sell more drugs to hide the effects of processed food so they can sell more of it ,
What nonsense. Firstly the antipsychotics in question that are prescribed in this setting olanazpine, quetiapine and risperidone sell all of 280k, 290k and 113k per annum all via generic pharmaceutical companies so hardly very profitable, secondly to suggest that processed foods are involved in the mix of antipsychotic Rxing is frankly bullshit.
For a healthy and happy life……
Avoid processed food
Avoid alcohol
Avoid eating animals
Healthy… meh. Maybe.
Happy? Fucking doubtful.
Speaking of which, please tell us that you’re not against recreational sex, at least.
more recreational sex create more orgone energy heal the world.
http://www.orgonics.com/whatisor.htm
Do you think it all getting too weird and wonderful McFlock! Nobody can afford to do anything without thinking about it these days.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/2018658561/insight-foetal-alcohol-damaging-baby-brains
Women drinking before and all during their pregnancies have to have someone look after their maimed babies with foetal alcohol syndrome and who require huge amounts of patience, sometimes they will almost destroy a house in one of their rampages, and to move beyond this can be helped but cannot cope with anything but certainty and regular timetables.
So recreational sex for them? Only if they have a hysterectomy or a long-term contraceptive implanted. The world is at a dangerous point climatically and in numbers and government has sold itself to the money grubbers. We can;t afford to be casual all the time and not try to help ourselves. The world is having disasters, wars, refugees, huge suffering and we cry when we have pin pricks of controls imposed.
Too many damned wowsers in the world.
I’m not saying women should drink all through pregnancy, no. But a teetotal, vegan, celibate society sounds bloody awful, to me at least. Tobacco-free is irritating enough.
Mcflock
I am beginning to question the importance of being so controlled as at present when not strictly necessary. Do you feel we are living in a ‘should’ society of semi-puritans? It is like the doctor that wants to stop the 80 year old from drinking whiskey – it’s bad for you. Reply, what the hell – what have I got to lose is appropriate I think.
Song from long time ago – Enjoy yourself it’s later than you think, Enjoy yourself while youre still in the pink.
I think it’s good to know the health effects of what we do.
I’m also in favour of things like banning alcohol and tobacco advertising.
But I find that all the most interesting people have a small vice or two.
is see Stacey Kirk has done her expected Bridges soft soap commercial in Stuff
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106285009/stacey-kirk-searching-for-the-silver-linings-in-simon-bridges-playbook
Not only does she twist the truth she amps the conspiracy angle.
is there any gallery journalist who unabashed acts so consistently as a national party ‘operative’.
Not a squeak about why the big jump overall in nationals expenses in the last 3 months. or even if personal use of Crown limos should be curtailed and it only be for parliamentary business ( which wouldnt have excluded Bridges regional tour) . of course a follow up question could have been have you used a limo for a private night out ?
News Corp HQ “is a temple to dumbing down on an international scale.”
Assisted by NZME, Stuff, Hosking, Garner, Kirk, Espiner, Mora, Williams, Soper, Duplicity….
And those that link to them – shit spreaders polluting our cleannews waterways.
As a quiz fan, I have just heard about Brit Eggheads this has been going for decades.
On youtube – great fun. Minimum of fancy stuff – well staged.
I have thought of a different line to those concentrating on running in marathons (or acquiring lots of dosh and baubles) till it fills their whole lives and thoughts. What about –
‘Be in the human race, where clever people work out to help themselves along with each other and our home – the planet, to reach the finishing line and outwit the machines through exploiting their weak points, not trying to outrun them (because we never can).’
Baby Time.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106388432/green-mp-julie-anne-genter-bikes-to-hospital-to-be-induced
She’s one switched on lady. The best thing to do in labor is to keep active, keep moving, which makes baby come quicker. The worst thing to do is sit around, making labor longer.
Thinking of Julie-Anne today. All the best beautiful lady 🙂
She was driving her govt self drive car after shopping/lunching on Ponsonby Road 2 weeks back. No bicycle around then
Cinny (10.1) …
Yep. All the best to Julie Anne Genter. I’m sure she will keep herself physically active during her labour.
Shes being induced in the hospital …. letting nature take its course for a home birth didnt work out
That woman is hard core.
Finally the Greens do a decent story on Conference weekend.
Yes Greens looking to the future and will no doubt ensure that women in far suth can have a birthing unit with reach of a fairly short drive through bad weather conditions, and so no closing of birthing units.
All the best to Julie Anne G and baby and partner too!!
heh
big but deep.
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us1000gcii#executive
Peter Whittall.
What an unpleasant person.
“Do I feel guilt? No,” Peter Whittall told Stuff. “It is human nature to blame someone.”
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/106366936/exclusive-pike-river-boss-peter-whittall-guilt-free-living-in-australia
I’d like to see mandatory community service for every executive in charge of a company that has a worker death on their watch . Money is not enough.
Then if management are found to be responsible by ignoring safety then they serve time in prison as well as fair compensation to the families, and thus sending a message to the executives in charge of corporations that one death is too many deaths.
Also with construction. If the building falls aka CTV style, then whoever was in charge of the companies at the time of building have to do community service no matter what and then other charges just come on top.
Also like to see an automatic payment to the family of the dead worker of $50k straight away to help them, without any litigation having to have to take place, and years going by and any compensation eaten up by lawyers anyway. Then other cost on top.
Thanks Ed (13) … Whittall is a totally unscrupulous man, no compassion or decency whatsoever!
From one of “guilt free” Whittall’s statements …
** My coping mechanism has always been to talk to my family. I have never sought professional psychological assistance, but I have sought the assistance of my family and I have a wonderful wife.”**
How fortunate for him, when so many who lost loved ones through the Pike River tragedy, don’t have the benefit of having the opportunity to communicate with their spouses or sons at their time of need. They still lay buried in the mine!
Come to think of it now with the benefit of hindsight, looking back at Pike River spokesman Whittall’s comments to media at the time of the mine explosion, they came across as rehearsed, false and totally without empathy or compassion towards the grieving families! In other words, what he said was absolute BS! Betrayal of the bereaved at the highest level!
Hey Whittall can observe and truthfully tell about it! It is human nature to bklame someone. And fair enough, if they are found responsible for a bad outcome because of negligence or of not caring about the reasonable safety conditions expected in modern mines.
On Friday a friend of mine was feeling guilty because she wasn’t contactable for a few hours when someone close to her had a bereavement.
She knew that it was just one of those things – she’s almost always contactable, shit just happened at the worst time. But she felt guilty because she wasn’t there to support her friend.
It’s human nature to feel guilt for things you didn’t do – to go over whether there’s anything you could have done. And, speaking from experience, that stays with you.
I just hope that his claims of being “guilt free” are denial and part of a slow healing process, not a reflection on his character. 29 people he was responsible for died. That should effect any normal human permanently, even if whatever happened wasn’t directly his fault. Not permanently crippling, but to not feel any guilt at all sounds callous.
Elizabeth Warren has a plan; to save capitalism.
Elizabeth Warren has a big idea that challenges how the Democratic Party thinks about solving the problem of inequality.
Instead of advocating for expensive new social programs like free college or health care, she’s introducing a bill Wednesday, the Accountable Capitalism Act, that would redistribute trillions of dollars from rich executives and shareholders to the middle class — without costing a dime.
Warren’s plan starts from the premise that corporations that claim the legal rights of personhood should be legally required to accept the moral obligations of personhood.
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17683022/elizabeth-warren-accountable-capitalism-corporations
That’s so sweet and reasonable joe 90. That is a woman worth watching and supporting.
I am sure they will go down a treat in the land of the free. I would say it is about as viable as Warren passing a DNA test for her Cherokee blood line If she wants other forms of ownership than capital go start a workers cooperative or other form of enterprise. The whole idea of capitalism is for capital to be attracted to the best opprtunity not simply reinvest for reinvestment sake in a firm, hence shareholders reinvest elsewhere If firm does not have viable internal investment options, thus allowing the most efficient use of capital Similarly capitalism forces the firm and it manager to perform or see a falling share price and threat of take over Putting artificial constraints on this as warren proposed would simply weaken US firms competitiveness to that of crony capitalism countries
Gosh bewildered. I get that feeling when I read your comments. This is a left leaning blog and you seem more right. Left in latin I think is sinister and I feel that is how you view us. Am I wrong?
once i read the bill i’ll post on it.
I heard Jim Mora vapouring on about “empathy” last week
It wasn’t the first time, and as per usual, he spoke without the slightest hint of self-awareness or irony….
http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2017/12/10-december-2014-at-821-pm-what-sort-of.html
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/364423/councillor-apology-for-not-enough-were-killed-comment-inadequate
Councillor: Apology for ‘not enough were killed’ comment inadequate
12:34 pm today
Katie Doyle, Journalist
@katiedoyle01 katie.doyle@radionz.co.nz
A Gisborne District councillor says she’s disappointed by an apology she received about racially inappropriate comments she says were made at an official meeting.
Meredith Akuhata-Brown said she was at a council meeting when she heard two of her colleagues joking that not enough Māori had been killed during early encounters with James Cook.
At first, Ms Akuhata-Brown said she could not quite believe what she had heard.
“Stunned silence to be honest. I had just dealt with some other issues and had been away overseas talking about tolerance etcetera, so I was quite shocked,” she said.
“I guess now, when I look back, I wish I had’ve said something, but I was just shocked.”
Here is a interesting read in the fires in Sweden and California and how some of the main firefighters are saying is the cause of CC which is now causing them to rethink on how to fight fires IRT CC. Old Mr Dump is blaming the environmental policies of the California State Government, but the firies are saying this is about CC not the States environmental policies.
But I will say this if people are going to live in the bush you must have a bush fire emergency plan weather you intend to go or stay and fight and once you are committed to your COA then stick to your plan and don’t leave it to the last minute if you change your mind as it will be to late.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-19/northern-hemisphere-heat-brings-unprecedented-bushfires/10134490
Good morning The AM Show well te sandflys are still giving me Mana.
Yes Duncan I seen these moves all the time shillary tryed it to and TVNZ 1 deserves what they get new management needed there I say. Ana to kai.
Good game this weekend Mark looks like you need to play a couple with yours and Mulls game on the Crowd goes Wild Ka kite ano shillary try a few moves against ECO MAORI failed
Many thanks to the NRL for have a indigenous League competition this is the new way winning of Papatuanukue to celebrate te tangata whenua ECO MAORI Says all country’s should celebrate there tangata whenua we look at te Mokopunas future and Papatuanukue future differently we are more environmently conscious back to the League Ka pai Australia League Ka kite ano link below
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12109970
This is why I Back Elon Mus because you have this person and his administration and the Go/Pro Oil Party who don’t give a—–about the Mokopunas or Papatuanukue future they are just on a Huge power grab link is Below.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/19/conserving-oil-no-longer-necessary-for-us-says-trump-administration
This is the reality of the people who trump have in his defence team and administration and he wonders why most people are flipping him the Bird link below Ka kite ano.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/19/truth-isnt-truth-rudy-giuliani-trump-alternative-facts-orwellian
Here we go the state suppression machine at work behind closed doors
Why have the statetues of Egypt had all there nose cut off because they are African nose the Powers that be do want to admit that It was Africas who founded one of the first great civilisation of Papatuanukue.
I also don’t agree that tangata whenua arrived in Atoearoa 800 years ago this is a direct oppression of Maori cant have these savages know that they were sailing around Papatuanukue thousands of years before the elete class was still hugging the coast line. They say we wiped out the giant Mour in a hundred years year right it would have taken 200 years at least. I Believe in some of the story’s. To not believe some of the evidence is to have total trust that man is not decfull and we can see that a few will do what ever it takes to keep power. So the probability of Atoearoa history beening suppred is 100% from ECO MAORI views and the reality of how some people have to be woken up to these facts link below Ka kite ano
https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/106407948/tvnz-doco-claiming-celts-were-here-before-mori-has-been-removed-from-ondemand-service
I target the correct target this morning
Ana to kai
There you go A small community has the saloution to our problems of waste They have been working on it for 18 years they are the biggest employer of the community Ka kite ano link below
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/106063136/a-blueprint-for-solving-new-zealands-waste-problem Ka pai Raglan Eco has some links to that community been a few years tho
Mana wahine here’s a lady who is not afraid to speak out about the bad parts to there culture the men can do what they want and the ladies are treated as property ka pai
Ka kite ano link below
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106172556/tongan-white-sheet-ceremony-full-of-contradictions P.S I read the comment’s It said tangata whenua are not aloud to speak on a Marae not all Iwi have this colonial influenced practices Ngati Porou have name our Marae and Hapu after wahine they are aloud to speak on our Marae link below ka kite ano
Good evening Newshub that’s awesome Mp pay freeze Ka pai
Looks like our Australian cousin don’t want to drop there Paris climate changes commitment’s Ka pai Australian voter’s think about your mokopunas future’s
Yes we have to look after OUR elderly some people treat them like a commodity they deserve to be treated with respect .
There you go Mike this intense Papatuanuku weather is all part of Te human caused Global Warming some idiots are still denying these fact’s that we are seeing in reality .
That’s one reason why Eco Maori love’s Aotearoa no snakes not many animals that can cause harm besides human’s that is.
Ka kite ano P.S still trying to sort out our moko health issuse
The Crowd Goes Wild Jame’s and Mull”s It was a good game of Rugby this weekend .
Good run down on the League game .
That was a huge crash at te car racing I missed what comp it is lol Drifting looked good run by Mad Mike did you say
Ka kite ano
Some Eco Maori Music