Paula Bennett’s loopy rules do not actually exist

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1. Tracey 1

   23 September 2015 at 9:53 am

   Paula Bennett’s reply to a reference to Leaky Buildings is that “we’ve come a long way since then”.

   Yet, Politicians lie and mislead at least as much, if not more, than since 1995, so have we actually come any distance at all? Money still is the measure of success of a project. Money is still the be all and end all. And a woman who can’t recall the Cabinet Club despite referring to it in parliament, can hardly be counted on to give it to us straight, can she?

   So, Paula promulgated a whole lot of myths, then formed a committee, who discovered the myths are, well, myths, and then announced measures to addressed these mythical rules? (and takes the opportunity to get read of some other stuff while they can?) AND put John Hone Carter on the Committee…

   Nick Smith or Paula Bennett? Talk about Nelson’s choice

   No Paula, people like you haven’t come a long way since the 1990’s at all.
   • NZJester 1.1

     23 September 2015 at 1:22 pm

     Actually Paula Bennet has come along way since the 90s and all thanks to those free government training courses she was able to attend. You know the ones I’m talking about, the same ones that she axed when she was the minister in charge of Work and Income.
     • Tracey 1.1.1

       27 September 2015 at 8:01 am

       I DO!

       And now to hear Anne Tolley talking about problems at CYFPS as though;

       1. National hasn’t been in charge for 7 years; and
       2. That no one told them to focus on high risk and budget.

       And the answer? Well, always it is to line the pockets of the private sector with taxpayer money.
2. tc 2

   23 September 2015 at 9:54 am

   Nice work from HK but where is the focus from the opposition on such weak links like Pullya, ayatolley, Hecklia and their woeful portfolios.

   This is a minister who admitted deliberately breaching privacy laws so how about rubbing her nose in that as part of the higher standards the nact work to.

   Multiple entry points are ready and waiting as they’ve become so accustomed to a compliant MSM and DP tactics should they require them they’re simply making it up now.
3. One Anonymous Bloke 3

   23 September 2015 at 9:54 am

   Myths fill the gap when clear information is hard to find.

   Translation: the National Party tells lies for a reason.
   • McFlock 3.1

     23 September 2015 at 10:24 am

     Yes.

     Since the 1980s the tories have been using such lies (and the occasional true but rare example) to promulgate the myth of governmental incompetence.

     The fact is that governments are no worse, and frequently better than, any other large organisation. For rvery “Yes Minister” episode there’s one from “the Office”, for every “loopy rule” there’s three managers at Initech talking about new TPS reports.

     But the nats have their agenda, and they won’t let the facts get in the way of it.
4. Al66 4

   23 September 2015 at 10:29 am

   Following her master, John boy, Ms Bennett has learned that lying is not going to be scurinised by the mainstream press therefore might as well do it because the press will do nothing and the public will assume it is accurate information. The fiasco around Dirty Politics not gaining any political traction is evidence of the mainstream media malaise.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1

     23 September 2015 at 10:36 am

     Not so sure about that. This is an issue that affects the back pocket directly. National Party criminality does more complex, insidious forms of harm.
   • dukeofurl 4.2

     23 September 2015 at 12:11 pm

     They have just got rid of the middleman, Whaleoil, and now are directly running bullshit to the media.
5. Clemgeopin 5

   23 September 2015 at 11:35 am

   Nick Smith for leader of National and Paula Bennett his deputy. Two wit nuts. Will make a brilliant team reflecting their party’s values.

   And oh, they could self regulate themselves too.
   • dukeofurl 5.1

     23 September 2015 at 12:37 pm

     Shes more Norma Desmond than a deputy PM.

     All thats missing is the monkey ?
     • Clemgeopin 5.1.1

       23 September 2015 at 1:35 pm

       Norma Desmond! She didn’t ring a bell at all. Before my time. I had to look her up. Here she is!
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-VypWecJzI
       lol!
   • NZJester 5.2

     23 September 2015 at 1:35 pm

     The National party is currently self regulating. John Key is currently the Judge and Jury that considers any punishments for any rule breaches that might occur. Look at everything that various members of the National party have done and then just got a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket. In most cases how ever they didn’t even get that.
     • Clemgeopin 5.2.1

       23 September 2015 at 1:58 pm

       ” Look at everything that various members of the National party have done and then just got a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket’

       Really? Well, except for the hapless Aaron Gilmore, for his heinous crime of uttering the unforgettable drunken words, “Do you know who I am?”! Poor bugger!
   • sirpat 5.3

     23 September 2015 at 3:24 pm

     I think most of the problem is that they are um self regulating too much…..affects their sight and hearing!!!!
6. Pat 6

   23 September 2015 at 12:45 pm

   loopy rules may not exist however loopy ministers obviously do
   • Chris 6.1

     23 September 2015 at 3:56 pm

     Bennett is also extremely thick, which explains a very large part of who she is.
     • Pat 6.1.1

       23 September 2015 at 9:13 pm

       shes not alone with that affliction in this cabinet
7. Mondograss 7

   23 September 2015 at 1:29 pm

   Personally, having renovated several houses now, I’ve found the council to be universally awful to deal with when it comes to smallinexpensive works. I like to keep everything I do compliant, but when it comes to costing $6000 in engineers reports, architects drawings and consent costs, to get approval to build a deck that any competent builder could do for $10,000, then I draw the line.

   It’s not the big stuff that’s actually the issue (if you can afford to build a whole house then you can afford the compliance costs), it’s little jobs where the red tape just sucks your will to live and this leads to a massive culture of avoidance. So you get houses with ongoing compliance issues being passed from buyer to buyer and never actually being made compliant.

   That’s not to say that we should de-regulate, but I think there is scope to say that builders could do more in the way of minor works with minimal notification to the council and maybe a spot-check process.
   • dukeofurl 7.1

     23 September 2015 at 2:37 pm

     Trouble is when decks collapse people are injured or killed.

     Ireland did have the ‘self certify’ model before the GFC when they had a property boom. It was a total disaster as there were whole subdivisions of new houses that were unlivebale with many many faults.

     Was a contributor too their banks collapsing under the debt of junk housing. So there is a whole lot more hell apart from ‘just’ leaky homes.

     The answer is the ‘self certifying builders’ to have complete insurance, paid up front to cover any compliance issues.

     Insurance companies would run a mile , as they did when the private building consents companies were faced with leaky homes issues
   • s y d 7.2

     23 September 2015 at 5:03 pm

     Hmm Mondo, what kind of deck are you talking about? – all decks where the fall is less than 1.5m are already exempt from consent and simply need to be designed and built to code (as a minimum).

     There are now many, many other exemptions for smaller works – get the info from the MBIE website. save yourself some grief.

     If you are in Auckland, I agree the council is generally (not always though) dreadful to communicate/deal with, but most others I have found to be really good.
     • Mondograss 7.2.1

       24 September 2015 at 10:50 am

       It’s a first floor deck so does need a consent, kind of. It actually will replace an existing deck that is dangerously rotten so I’m getting advice on whether it can be done under a repairs and maintenance exemption. I’ve found a lot of building consultancies are uninterested though, which doesn’t help. Quite a few have told me that the council is impossible to deal with over minor works and it’s just not worth their while being involved.

       But if not exempted, the cost of getting consent is as I’ve stated. Which is well over the top for the sort of job it is. I’d happily pay a few hundred for the council to send an inspector out to check the job when it’s done. But the cost of the drawings and engineering that’s now required is huge.

       I’m not denying that badly built decks collapse, but at the same time, whats the point in having a licensing regime for builders if you don’t trust them to build safely. The trouble is that a lot of work is being done by amateurs trying to avoid the compliance regime and that’s WAAAY more dangerous. I’m not saying you go totally “self certify”, just that there has to be a better way to handle minor works than the current model.

       I agree about builders having personal liability though.
       • Craig H 7.2.1.1

         26 September 2015 at 5:28 pm

         Not to mention the obvious issue that if nobody can be bothered to go through the consent process, it undermines it badly.
   • weston 7.3

     23 September 2015 at 6:37 pm

     every time a person rings council they add a little to council power and diminish their own by the same amount councils are out of control and its nobodys fault but ours
8. Mike the Savage One 8

   24 September 2015 at 1:21 am

   If only sleepy Kiwis would get it, the threat is much greater than Key:
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szXb5rczfpQ

   What is your dear answer to that?
9. Tracey 9

   27 September 2015 at 8:02 am

   Interestingly no right wing apologists int his thread… even they can see?

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