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Pull the other one, it’s full of sarin

Written By: - Date published: 7:27 am, April 16th, 2013 - 90 comments
Categories: john key, making shit up, Spying - Tags:

New Zealand is, famously, a nuclear-free country. We’re also signatories to the Chemical Weapons and Biological Weapons Conventions, which outlaw them.

key researching wmdSo, if you’re looking to learn about weapons of mass destruction, New Zealand’s the wrong place to go (hint: start at Wikipedia).

It’s laughable that Key’s inventing WMD-seeking terrorists to justify legalising spying on Kiwis. Even if the foreign terrorist hacking existed, it wouldn’t justify spying on New Zealanders.

It’s even more laughable that some are repeating his lies straight-faced. Surely, any self-respecting member of the media knows by now that Key and the spooks will say whatever rubbish they need to say to cover their arses.

[Update: good on Andrea Vance for having the guts to straightup call Key out on this. Hmmm, that's enough to convince me Key didn't leak her the Kitteridge report after all]

90 comments on “Pull the other one, it’s full of sarin”

  1. Colonial Viper 1

    I hear that The Standard is a nest of terrorist vipers, it’s really important that this website is constantly monitored and tracked by the government intelligence services at tax payer expense. Hmm I wonder what the probability is that has been ordered and actually happens.

    On a fun note re: War on Terror

    It seems that US drone strikes in Afghanistan have mostly succeeded in killing civilians, suspicious non Al Qaeda persons and low level Al Qaeda suspects. Only a handful of “top level” Al Qaeda persons have been killed in these drone strikes.

    If you read the comments below it’s very interesting – some people say that the CIA is killing tribal enemies as favours to various regional leaders, in order to win sway and intelligence from those leaders.

    But its ok – the US offers up to US$7500 in “condolence money” to the family of those wrongly killed in a drone strike, to make things better again.

    http://www.dailytech.com/Docs+Show+CIAs+Mass+Drone+Death+Strikes+Killed+Few+alQaeda+Leaders/article30316.htm

    • King Kong 1.1

      You are right, they have done some spying on the Standard. I saw the file which has long since been closed.

      They came to the conclusion that the shear volume of inhalers and excema medicine you chaps would require to untertake any serious physical act made the threat levels incredibly low.

      • freedom 1.1.1

        genuinely amusing this morning fuzzymonkey :)
        though I would confidently wager that a Top Town event between Standardistas and Whalers would be a hands down victory for The Standard.

        • King Kong 1.1.1.1

          I wouldn’t be too sure of that. You can’t underestimate just how competitive gun loving depressives with tiny cocks can be.

          • johnm 1.1.1.1.1

            Hi King Kong
            You’re sounding like one of those perverts who know gun loving types with tiny cocks which gives you a thrill? I suggest if you wish to make political comment you do something about your manifest pathology first, like get that spire out of your arse mate!

      • TightyRighty 1.1.2

        +1

  2. vto 2

    Given Key has shown himself to be a proud liar

    and given this issue concerns secret agents and spying and closed doors

    what are the chances that Key’s statements yesterday resemble even a small proportion of the truth?

    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar
    Key is a liar

  3. “It’s laughable that Key’s inventing WMD-seeking terrorists to justify legalising spying on Kiwis.”

    It would be laughable if this strategy wasn’t part of larger pattern of false flag terrorism.

    • Pascal's bookie 3.1

      Oh piss off.

      The last thing this debate needs is daft moonbats talking shit about ‘false flags’. Nothing is more likely to make people dismiss civil liberty arguements than morons spouting that crap.

      • freedom 3.1.1

        PB are you seriously saying that ‘false flags’ do not exist?

        • Pascal's bookie 3.1.1.1

          No. I said what I said.

          • freedom 3.1.1.1.1

            I only ask because WMD’s were openly used to create one of the biggest flase flag events this World has seen, namely The War in Iraq. So there was some justification for its inclusion as a possible topic but i do agree it’s relevance to this dialogue is unlikely to say the least. Key is just doing what he has been told and the delivery of the info was unconvincing and he came off looking foolish and desperate. Yet the MSM has largely swallowed it according to script. (

            If we had effective opposition in the house I would say 2pm cannot come soon enough. Having a Speaker who is less than capable is bad enough. Having questions that deliver easy outs is all too common. The Greens will at least ask straight questions but I do worry how broken and segmented Labour’s questions will be. Of late they have been atrocious. Today is not a day for multi-part questions.

            • McFlock 3.1.1.1.1.1

              The War in Iraq was a “false flag” event?

              Were the invading “US” soldiers actually north koreans in disguise?

              It was an event justified by outright lies (WMD, hitting/expressing Iraq-AQ connections), but that’s propaganda, not “false flag”.

              • Colonial Viper

                Possibly Freedom mispoke slightly. The War in Iraq against Saddam, nothing to do with 9/11, but that was the pretext for carrying out the invasion the US had long wanted.

                • freedom

                  “Covert military or paramilitary operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities”

                  I may have mispoken ever so slightly, (and my comment as CV pointed out had nothing but tangental connections that all things do, to the event I did not name)
                  The illegal pre-emptive attack on Iraq was sold as a War for regime change when all along it was really a War to control and restrict Oil, so a false flag of an idea rather than any single event. i.e: Corporate masquerading as Government.

                  Is that clear enough for you McFlock?

                  • McFlock

                    False flag of an idea… they were pretending other people were having their thoughts?

                    Actually, in the probability that Cheney was an eminence gris behind Bush jr, you might be right. But ulterior motives for war are “ulterior motives” behind a “pretext for war”, not “false flag ideas”.

                    It might seem like pedantry, but the fact is that people dropping random jargon regardless of its actual meaning disrupts communication. These terms, when used in the conventional manner, clearly denote the agent of the sentence, their activities and passive subjects for those stages of the activities. Used randomly, who the fuck knows what anyone’s talking about?

                    “False flag terrorism” does exist. Suggestions are that the russians were particularly good at it in the 1990s. But using a probably unrelated event as a cause of war by alleging responsibility is pretty old hat, and significantly different to a false-flag op.

      • muzza 3.1.2

        PB, you are very foolish if you think otherwise – Of course this is part of an agenda.

        Argue against it, and try makes sense of what this is all about, and remember that Tuhoe was an attempt to beat up the local terrorism market, it failed, now its time for a change of approach!

        Remember that Key is told what to say, he did not make this one up on the fly!

        Off you go!

        • felix 3.1.2.1

          Still not a false flag.

          • muzza 3.1.2.1.1

            Agreed Felix, I was not implying it was.

            My contention, was simply that there is an agenda at play, and keys words should be seen as being part of it!

  4. irascible 4

    The Bush/ Blair WMD scare tactic matches well with the swarms of rickety boats filled with asylum seekers scare module taken from the Australian play book. It looks like the favorite spinners of the tory administrators the world over – Crosby-Textor have been reactivated by an increasingly brain fade afflicted KeY.
    Incidentally I note that Crosby Textor have been contracted by the Cameron-Clegg group to advise the Tories how to cope with the fallout over the bedroom tax and other mismanaged governance.

  5. Rosie 5

    It truly IS laughable Eddie. I did actually Laugh Out Loud when I heard the WMD line. I think this will have to go down in history as one of Key’s top 20 goofiest things to say. There’s so many though and where would you start? Its George Dubya all over again.

    Not for the first time do I seriously wonder about his inability to place reality and fiction in two completely separate spaces.

    Is the unraveling of his reign of lies and deceit beginning?

  6. Get the feeling this is one collosal diversion attempt?

    GCSB’s public problems started off because they spied on Dotcom but made a mistake thinking that he was not a permanent resident. The mistake was a simple mistake of fact, not one due to complex law.

    Dotcom has since then hinted that Key knew what was happening all along and the evidence that has been dripped out gradually by him makes you think that he has a piece of incontrovertable proof that will at some stage emerge into daylight.

    Following its usual behaviour (think legal aid for instance) the Government has called for a report and then claimed the report to justify the extreme actions that it proposes. But the Kitteridge report says no such thing. The report is full of recommendations for organisational change including an increase in the availablility and storage in legal advice but she makes no specific recommendations for changes to the law. All that she says is that “legislative clarification would be desirable.”

    The only two specific areas she raised were the testing of new equipment within New Zealand and the analysis of a Government Department’s network in case of a malware attack. I would have thought the first example was simple and the second would be fine as the information could be collected by the department itself. The GCSB Act onpy prevents the GCSB from intercepting communications from a New Zealander, not subsequently analysing it.

    Key is putting up a desperate smokescreen trying to divert attention away from his failure to do anything when these problems were identified and to try and divert attention from the Dotcom silver bullet which we can hopefully expect any time soon.

    • TightyRighty 6.1

      Yep, Any minute now. keep holding your breath. Please, for society.

      • framu 6.1.1

        good to see you have no actual points to refute there – can we take it that you agree

    • Jackal 6.2

      +1 Just like the SkyCity report, Key is misrepresenting what the Kitteridge report actually says… He’s relying on the fact that most National supporters don’t bother reading things like reports. Instead, they prefer to receive their information extensively filtered through and twisted by propagandists like David Farrar and Cameron Slater. In other words only the ignorant vote National.

  7. Paul Campbell 7

    well you know they never did find those WMD in Iraq, maybe Key thinks they’re here somewhere

    • Well makes one wonder if Key is going a bit bonkers ,Paul C.
      And I have seriously considered this when one looks at the way he is carrying on . The memory lapses , the word mumbling and the manic laughter and giggling , However the other consideration is that he wants to be able to spy on his enemies which would include Labour and other opposition parties. Don’t forget the protesters who he wants to throw in prison,.That is scary and is reminiscent
      of the 1951 lock-out. This lot are looking more Fascist like every day .And I do not use the word Fascist lightly.Scary!

  8. ianmac 8

    I would like to think that WMD is really stupid. But it is certainly a calculated action. If so why?
    Maybe it is a red flag to us but to the general population?
    “Good old John is on the ball. Boy he was quick to produce this plan. And there is a serious threat which he is covering to keep us safe.”
    So what to do about it? Might have been outflanked.

  9. Pete 9

    What are the odds he’s going to try and capitalise on today’s events in Boston?

    • Colonial Viper 9.1

      Is the Pope a Jesuit?

    • karol 9.2

      Maybe someone should point out to Key that explosive devices left in rubbish bins, causing localised destruction, injuries and deaths, though terrible, don’t rate as WMDs?

      • Colonial Viper 9.2.1

        The weird thing is that checking and sealing rubbish bins, manhole covers, post boxes etc are amongst the first things locked down in preparation for an event like this.

        Veteran NZ runners working in the news media over there reported seeing bomb sniffer dogs etc all along the route as part of the routine preparation for the event.

        Also, the one photo of a blast that I saw doesn’t convince me it was necessarily high explosives – lacked the high velocity trails you would expect from a supersonic pressure wave. We’ll see what the experts say.

  10. Doug 10

    There is one New Zealand Company I can think of that would be of interest to World Super Powers, they make Silicon Chips that are used in Missile guidance systems, Mobile Phones, GPS Systems and are a World Leader in its field.

    • Terrorist attacks tend not to use smart weapons and missile guidance systems. They tend to use rusty old cars and carry cases. Any attempted espionage would probably be coming from overseas governments or competitors and there is no impediment to GCSB intercepting their communications.

      • Doug 10.1.1

        It’s laughable that Key’s inventing WMD-seeking terrorists to justify legalising spying on Kiwis. Even if the foreign terrorist hacking existed, it wouldn’t justify spying on New Zealanders.
        Really!!

  11. cricklewood 11

    If my memory serves me right one resourceful chap built a cruise missile in his garage somewhere in Auckland… cost less than $5000 us

    • Bill 11.1

      Well aye. But a homemade cruise missile, even if it was built and deployed, wouldn’t be a weapon of mass destruction – it’s ‘just’ a missile, ie an explosive device attached to a delivery system. As far as I see it, weapons of mass destruction are taken to be biological, chemical or nuclear that have effects both indiscriminate and widespread.

      The other link provided in comments was to an SIS pamphlet on WMD that has been taken down from their site. (It can still be found in google search by typing the full title.) It’s basically a ‘dob in your nieghbour’ piece of trash seeking to stir up fear and suspicion in Universities from what I can see.

      Are potential components for WMD manufactured in NZ? Most likely. But then , Gerald Bull who was assassinated by Mosad, developed a ‘Supergun’ for Saddam Husseins regime (Project Babylon) that meant UK engineering companies (Matrix Churchill) got in a bit of hot water. (The gun apparently had the potential to deliver nuclear, biological and chemical munitions over distances of 1000km and so might be seen as a component of a system of mass destruction )

      Anyway. My point was that conventional explosives and delivery systems are not in and of themselves WMD.

      • Colonial Viper 11.1.1

        it’s ‘just’ a missile, ie an explosive device attached to a delivery system.

        In fact, a missile could be considered just the delivery vehicle and doesn’t need an attached warhead…

        • Bill 11.1.1.1

          You being pedantic this morning CV? ;-) Point taken and the correction for the sake of clarity runs thus…”it’s ‘just a missile, ie, a delivery system that may or may not carry an explosive device”

      • karol 11.1.2

        The Dim Post explains about that SIS WMD pamphlet – along with providing a good piece of logic: ie if there is a threat from WMD makers/links in NZ, a full inquiry abbout it, and how to deal with it, would be the best way forward – not some quick panic/diversionary/democracy-damaging load of changes to GCSB legislation.

        Dimpost – “Scaremongering for Dummies”, with link to this NZ Herald 2009 story:

        The Security Intelligence Service has approached university lecturers asking for help to stop foreign states gathering information on “weapons of mass destruction”, says the union representing tertiary workers.

        Dr Ryan said the letter to universities alludes to a meeting between the spy agency and the New Zealand Vice Chancellor’s Committee.

        He said the SIS has also sent out a brochure called “A Guide to Weapons of Mass Destruction: Your role in preventing proliferation of weapons of mass destruction”.

        Dr Ryan said the brochure warns scientists and researchers to look out for people who could be trying to learn how to make “weapons of mass destruction”.

        He said the pamphlet has been distributed widely and includes fax, email, and web contacts for the SIS.

        Curiously also that this was at the time when Key started making moves to bring the SIS, GCSB, and police into one entity (see Trotter on this), and also when Key says he started to renew his connections with Ian Fletcher.

  12. Populuxe1 12

    Wow, you guys are out of touch – there are at least two New Zealand technology companies I can think of that produce electronic components used “but neither confirmed nor denied” in nuclear weapons.

    • felix 12.1

      And?

    • Doug 12.2

      All the more reason for World Super Powers to spy on these companies.

    • emergency mike 12.3

      ermagawd please give echelon more power to spy on me quick! do fill us in on New Zealand’s nuclear weapons industry pop.

      • Populuxe1 12.3.1

        At a guess Key was referring to Rakon (head office in Auckland, specialises in radio frequency reciever crystals used as missile components in militaries throughout the west)
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakon

        And Palantir technologies, which is up to the eyebrows in top secret security stuff
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies

        • emergency mike 12.3.1.1

          I took a look at your links.

          Palantir makes information mining software “…used by counter-terrorism analysts at offices of the FBI and CIA.” How you go ahead and link that to making nuclear weapons or any other WMD I’m not sure.

          Rakon is a more dodgy prospect, from what I read, they make a very specific part of the GPS guidance systems used on US smart bombs, which theoretically could be used on nuclear weapons. (Which is lovely considering I also read they have a history of lying to the US military about faults in their product, causing bombs in Afghanistan to go astray.) As I understand it this was custom made for the USA’s hardware, so it’s probably not much use to anyone else. Anyone else who wants their own Rakon temperature-compensated crystal oscillators can call them up and place an order I’m guessing. This is high tech stuff for militaries with big budgets, not terrorists. It’s a stretch to put it kindly.

          So you think John Key was referring to this when he said that he was worried about cyber attacks and covert attempts to use science and technology for projects involving weapons of mass destruction? Do you think that protecting the products of these two companies really requires and justifies changing the law to allow Echelon to spy on New Zealanders?

          • Populuxe1 12.3.1.1.1

            “Do you think that protecting the products of these two companies really requires and justifies changing the law to allow Echelon to spy on New Zealanders?”

            No, I do not. However Key was not making stuff up about WMDs. But more to the point, prohibited countries like Iran and North Korea CAN’T “call them up and place an order” – which would make them attractive targets.

            • emergency mike 12.3.1.1.1.1

              “No, I do not.”

              Good to hear.

              “However Key was not making stuff up about WMDs.”

              Oh please, all you’ve been able to come up with so far is Rakon’s special crystals for the guidance systems of US smart bombs. If that’s the extent our WMD industry then John Key was sure as shit ‘making stuff up’ about the need to protect it with broad changes to GCSB legislation. Which is the salient point here pop.

              “But more to the point, prohibited countries like Iran and North Korea CAN’T “call them up and place an order””

              Is China a prohibited country? I’d guess not since Key is such a big fan of tree trade with them. So how about China’s trade policy with Iran and North Korea?

              “– which would make them attractive targets.”

              And yet they’ve been managed to thwart the determined espionage efforts of those nations so far. I guess they must have awesome security.

              “Security, too, appears to have been a problem. Aside from the Herald’s obtaining sensitive company documents, a Rakon manager complained of one weekend finding the “main entry to building 3 completely open … free access available to anyone!””

              Ya real attractive targets these guys. Maybe the taxpayer should spot them an alarm system, but shedding civil liberties for all New Zealanders? Not so much.

        • Murray Olsen 12.3.1.2

          I hope the terrorists don’t learn about Wikipedia.
          It’s stretching the truth beyond breaking point to suggest either of these companies’ products would be of much interest to anyone who can already make anything they would be used on. The Americans, who are arguably the biggest threat to our sovereignty and what’s left of our democracy, already get handed this stuff on a plate.
          The GCSB needs to be dismantled. They were formed to spy on foreigners, for foreigners, but were probably so bloody useless at it that they just sat around twiddling their thumbs. They shouldn’t be given more powers; they should be sent on one of Paula Benefit’s ready for work schemes.

          • Populuxe1 12.3.1.2.1

            You are really stuck on the whole “all terrorists live in desert caves in Middle Eastern third world hell holes” aren’t you. Foreign agents can be terrorists too – in case you’ve forgotten, the last non-cyber terrorist act in this country was committed by France.

    • Jackal 12.4

      What you claim Populuxe1 is against the law under the New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone, Disarmament, and Arms Control Act 1987 (PDF), which states:

      Prohibition on acquisition of nuclear explosive devices

      (2) No person, who is a New Zealand citizen or a person ordinarily resident in New Zealand, and who is a servant or agent of the Crown, shall, beyond the New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone,—
      (a) manufacture, acquire, or possess, or have control over, any nuclear explosive device; or
      (b) aid, abet, or procure any person to manufacture, acquire, possess, or have control over any nuclear explosive device.

      New Zealanders aren’t allowed to provide electronic components used in nuclear weapons… Therefore I very much doubt you’re telling the truth Populuxe1.

      • Populuxe1 12.4.1

        Are you deliberately obtuse or naturally thick, Jackass – that only applies to the warhead payload, not the missile delivery system.

        • Te Reo Putake 12.4.1.1

          Just a guess, but I’d say the key word is ‘control’, Pop. And a delivery mechanism forms part of the control system, so I think the legislation may very well apply. Or at least, given how slap dash our spooks and cops are with the English language, it could be seen to be applicable to the point where plod kicks in your door at dawn.

          • Tim 12.4.1.1.1

            “Or at least, given how slap dash our spooks and cops are with the English language…”
            They’ve been taking lessons from WonderBoy, and after 4 1/2 years, they’ve now got it down to a fine art.
            Anybody else listening to Key in Parly-r-mint today? The guy sounds drunk!

          • Populuxe1 12.4.1.1.2

            What? Suddenly at the last minute Standardistas have developed faith in the obedience of corporations and governments to obey the law? How quaint. Don’t put your back out doing that u-turn.

            And no, contol only applies to the warhead because the missile itself could be used to launch everything from conventional explosives to atmospheric probes and small satellites – none of which is prohibited by the law.

            • Pascal's bookie 12.4.1.1.2.1

              So you reckon guidance systematic for smart bombs and the like would be high priorities for terrorists?

              • Populuxe1

                Again, why do you assume “terrorist” means some third world religious fanatic who lives in a cave?

                • Pascal's bookie

                  I don’t. But the context of this discussion, the GCSB law changes and Key’s comments, is clearly around non-state actors.

                  • Populuxe1

                    How exactly, because I didn’t get that at all. Foreign agents are quite capable of perpetrating terrorist acts. France and the Rainbow Warrior comes to mind.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Read what he said.

                      In terms of terrorism, he talks about people with links to terrorist groups.

                      But where have I suggested ‘Foreign agents’ are not capable of ‘perpertrating terrorist acts’?

                      Quote please.

                      Perhaps you think dropping a precision guided bomb from a plane would fit under the general definition of terrorism? Is that what you are getting at?

  13. freedom 13

    Lprent:
    sidebar comment links to this page are intermittently jumping to this address
    http://thestandard.org.nz/why-does-key-want-to-sell-air-nz/#comment-619388

    • prism 13.1

      freedom
      It may be a system error, but the link worked and item was still interesting.

  14. Pete 14

    Key is probably referring to this kind of stuff:

    As an expert in your field, you may recognise if there is a potential WMD application for your export or technology. The NZ Strategic Goods List (NZSGL) administered by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) is a list of export-controlled military and dual-use goods based on international regimes. A permit can sometimes be required for electronic export, such as by email or fax.

    Dual-use goods include items, technology and expertise, and plans or designs related to the following NZSGL categories:
    • Materials, Chemicals, Micro-organisms and Toxins
    • Electronics
    • Aerospace and Propulsion
    • Computers
    • Navigation and Avionics
    • Marine
    • Materials Processing
    • Nuclear Materials
    • Telecommunications and Information Security
    • Sensors and Lasers

    Export of items not listed on the NZSGL may still be controlled by an end-use “catch-all” provision. This extends controls to cover the export of unlisted goods and technologies, that have a WMD or military application, to a country subject to United Nations Security Council arms embargoes. MFAT’s Export Controls Team can advise whether a permit to export is required.

    MFAT’s Strategic Goods List is here (PDF)

    • Colonial Viper 14.1

      Basically every fucking thing is dual use. A .303 round is dual use. A spray milk powder factory is dual use. An A4 piece of paper is dual use (if you draw plans for WMD on it). This is stupid.

  15. Just another step on the way to a police state run by a Neo Conservative Regime.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 15.1

      Police states are so last century! We’re going to be a dinimic funshul servisconmy.

      • Tim 15.1.1

        = dynamic financial service economy huh?
        There’s a job for us both in the government’s translation service me thinks.

    • Its happened before Mag May. Holland.1951 and Muldoon. Remember that Norman Kirk was also covertly investigated by the then secret service.
      However as Heinrich Himmler said in the 1920/30″ If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear ” . the result the Holocaust.

  16. It is pathetic but some bad shit will result – remember the last time terrorists were mentioned

    They (middleNZ) won’t remember the last time the terrorism word was used in anger and the devastation to community, to peoples lives, to the innocent charged and dragged before the court system and to the political prisoners who did their time as a protest against the system that wrongfully imprisoned them. They forget but we don’t forget,…

    http://mars2earth.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/the-headlights-get-bigger.html

  17. Possion 17

    Weapons of mass destruction are clearly dangerous in the wrong hands ,especially when they do not no how dangerous they are.in 2002 Warren Buffet called derivatives weapons of mass destruction (time bombs awaiting a single spark) which have since exploded.

    That the same risk is still present,and little has been done to preclude further implosions suggest that Governments cannot constrain even simple problems.

    http://www.fintools.com/docs/Warren%20Buffet%20on%20Derivatives.pdf

  18. Skinny 18

    If Key phrased ‘a war on drugs’ to try justify law changes to spying I doubt Kiwi’s would mind as much. But to use that old chestnut catch phrase of GW Bush ” WMD” shows a terrible lack of judgement. Appears to be more lying to the NZ public to cover the Dotcom saga. 

  19. yeshe 19

    Where is Peter Sellars when you need him ?? Beyond a joke … and it is even more laughable when remembering that Huawei ( Chinese gubmint) have the job for all our cells and ‘internetnesses’ etc while US has banned them in such contracts.

    And did you see the joke that Banks is on the House ‘oversight’ intelligence ctte ? Really Banks — you don’t remember the helicopter ride ? Yeah, right.

    I can’t wait for more from Kim Dotcom — here’s hoping he truly has the proof about Key that will nail him for the liar he is.

    Thank goodness the country is free of any serious issues like child poverty and mining disasters and we have time for this meandering dissembling fool as prime minister.

    • prism 19.1

      Trouble is while you’re watching and exclaiming at the clowns tumbling in the circus ring, pick pockets are emptying out your wallet.

  20. muzza 20

    We’re also signatories to the Chemical Weapons and Biological Weapons Conventions, which outlaw them.

    Really, so what part does the below play in relation to the claim above about being a signatory, yet the government voted down *The Depleted Uranium Prohibition Bill*!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10815942

    A ban on dealing with depleted uranium weapons has been rejected by MPs because the Maori Party was one MP down.

    The Depleted Uranium Prohibition Bill would have meant New Zealand joined an international campaign to protect civilians and our troops fighting overseas.

    The bill would make it illegal to possess, use, sell, manufacture, test and transport depleted uranium in all conventional munitions and armour within New Zealand and by agents of the New Zealand Government.

  21. The Russians are coming The Russians are coming.!!!

  22. CraigM 22

    John Key is liked !!!
    This is sounding like a nasty party
    Is this a labour or greens site ???

    [lprent: Read the about and the policy and answer your own question without being such an ignorant dipshit who is too lazy to look for material that is clearly visible. ]

  23. CraigM 23

    I must come here more !! i forgot hope spitefull this site had become , By the way John Key is very liked by New Zealanders , Policy labour policy !!!! where is it ?????? could it be in a secret bank account at the UN !

    [lprent: Don't just troll. You did one decent comment with some vague substance today and two moronic ones that were essentially meaningless. Do too many of the latter (whaleoil level) and I will get bored with reading them sooner rather than later. ]

    • Alanz 23.1

      hello hello hello can you all please stop drawing attention to John Key’s lies. quick deflect and blame Labour for something.

      /sarc

  24. Emilio Zapata 24

    Go away and learn how to communicate beyond the level of an excited child first.

  25. KhandallaViper 25

    Boys and Girls

    You are all barking up the wrong tree.

    Look at Key at a more human level.

    It is a stressful job, you are making big decisions hourly, you need to unwind a bit, you are away from home a lot, first class hospitality is extended, everyone charms you, and you look for a space away from it all.

    You have a glass or two, you chat to nice people who make you feel good and relaxed, you burn the candle at both ends, you start making mistakes and the downward spiral commences.

    Those who might help Key are actually looking to the end game and accelerating the process. They feel they have this luxury because the opposition has not driven in a decent body blow despite numerous preceding gaffs.

    • Alanz 25.1

      Ummm … please define “opposition”. The Greens have been great at holding the Natz to account and Winston Peters has been quick on his feet in the house and effective with press releases.

  26. Doug 26

    Rakon get the all clear for expansion.
    http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/2006/06/15/rakon-2/

  27. harpooner 27

    create bogeymen’ and then introduce draconian neocon ‘home security’ laws.

  28. AmaKiwi 28

    Repeating what someone said on TS a few days ago:

    “Of the 85 people illegally spied on by GCSB, 55 were Nicky Hager.”

    John Key’s enemies are not across the seas. They are HERE. They are us.

  29. RedLogix 29

    I’m wondering if the word “ricin” might not have some relevance here?

  30. BrucetheMoose 30

    OK who found out about the giant death ray I have been researching and developing in my basement. Pisses me off after toiling away ten years constructing it out of obsolete space invader machines, car batteries and Dick Smith bits. Bloody typical. Key has to spoil everything he sets his focus on. Now what am I going to sell to the North Koreans and Australians

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    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
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    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
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    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
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