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1. Sanctuary 1

   3 March 2013 at 9:05 am

   I wouldn’t be so sure about the blaming the Republicans bit. I’ve been hosting some deep Americans recently (by “deep Americans” I mean they don’t live in the coastal, urban and outward looking parts of the USA that NZer’s generally would go to, they are from deepest Virginia). Their politcal views are… strange. The dominance of culture wars in these people thinking (everyone is in a culture war box. Jews are simply above criticism. I was told I must be a liberal because “I am OK with the gays”, one of the girls said she didn’t mind “going on a date with a black”, etc) over-arches everything and so their views seem infused with paranoia and conspiracy theories around race and identity.

   The sequester isn’t an intrasigent, radicalised and gerrymandered congress at loggerheads with the president within a corrupt system badly need of reform. It is a black president deliberately destroying the American economy because he is a closet communist who hates whites and is bent on reducing them to poverty.

   Now, these are perfectly lovely people. I really like them. I just don’t talk politics, although I took great delight in pointing out in painstaking detail every aspect of Auckland hospital as we drove to the War Memorial Museum and telling them with live under the tyranny of socialised medicine. And ACC might as well be a concept from the planet Vulcan. (BTW – The Great War really has no penetration in the American consciousness, they were puzzled as to why we would have built such a building as the Auckland museum).

   But Americans seem more interested in hating each other than engaging in a sober analysis of their own institutions. No woder the corporations run America – if my tiny sample is any guide, the inhabitants are to busy tearing each other apart to do anything to stop them.
   • Colonial Viper 1.1

     3 March 2013 at 9:31 am

     Fascinating. Reminds me of a friend who spent time in upstate NY with a lovely farming family. Whos members practiced regularly with assault weapons on their own home made rifle range, and while very hospitable nice people, would have serious objections to anyone taking away their rights to use such weapons.

     On the Archdruid Report both Greer and his commentators have remarked on a simple truth: culturally, the USA is not one nation, it’s five or six nations with quite clear geographical boundaries, tied (chained?) together in a Federal system of government.

     The poisoning and polarised nature of the US news media and political debate does not help of course.

     (BTW – The Great War really has no penetration in the American consciousness, they were puzzled as to why we would have built such a building as the Auckland museum).

     I think this amnesia has set in more recently. From ‘Where Eagles Dare’ to “The Great Escape’ to ‘Saving Private Ryan’, to the Manhattan Project, WWII used to be a very big deal in the US.
     • Sanctuary 1.1.1

       3 March 2013 at 10:27 am

       I am talking about WW1, not WW2 🙂
       • Colonial Viper 1.1.1.1

         3 March 2013 at 10:36 am

         Gawd I’m ignorant. Cheers 🙂
       • Colonial Viper 1.1.1.2

         3 March 2013 at 10:41 am

         On another note – it’s always funny to ask a group of Americans – “hey, have you heard of the American War of Independence?” to which they invariably say “of course”

         Then you ask them – “who did the Americans fight that war against: the French, the British, the Spanish or the Mexicans?”

         Enjoy the resulting look of confusion and disarray.
       • Murray Olsen 1.1.1.3

         3 March 2013 at 5:30 pm

         As a side note on WW1, I was on a QANTAS flight once which showed a short documentary claiming that Australia had won that war. We all know the seppos won WW2, so maybe they’ve done a deal with Canberra and let the Aussies have WW1.
   • David 1.2

     3 March 2013 at 9:34 am

     @Sanctuary, your second paragraph is a portrayal of these Americans views is it, Not your own? Just had to clear that up. Yeah the thinking, or lack thereof from that country is astounding, many Americans will not just own up to being rascist. I hope they somehow get a gay black woman as their president sometime, who has a spouse who is of Asian descent that are both members of the green party. Poetic justice indeed.
   • BM 1.3

     3 March 2013 at 9:42 am

     America is really 4 separate countries.
     I’d be surprised if it didn’t split in my life time.
     • Colonial Viper 1.3.1

       3 March 2013 at 9:51 am

       A fictional scenario on how and why a split might actually occur.

       http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/how-it-could-happen-part-one-hubris.html
       • joe90 1.3.1.1

         3 March 2013 at 10:42 am

         Dunlap’s essay: The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012

         Precis from The Atlantic.

         http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/defense/coldunl.htm
     • RJLC 1.3.2

       3 March 2013 at 11:16 am

       America is really 4 separate countries.

       Actually, it’s over 25 independent nations spread over two hemispheres of the planet..
       • Draco T Bastard 1.3.2.1

         3 March 2013 at 11:53 am

         +1
   • Foreign Waka 1.4

     3 March 2013 at 10:36 am

     Deliverance…..
2. muzza 2

   3 March 2013 at 10:15 am

   As with these things, the question to ponder is: What is the sequester situation providing cover for!
   • One Tāne Huna 2.1

     3 March 2013 at 12:40 pm

     The climax of Project Onan?
     • Rogue Trooper 2.1.1

       4 March 2013 at 4:03 pm

       🙂
3. Sanctuary 3

   3 March 2013 at 10:25 am

   “…The sequester is an intrasigent, radicalised and gerrymandered congress at loggerheads with the president within a corrupt system badly need of reform…” <— My view

   "…It is a black president deliberately destroying the American economy because he is a closet communist who hates whites and is bent on reducing them to poverty…." <— their (very slightly paraphrased) view.

   I don't think America will break up. They genuinely see themselves as the greastest nation on earth and are hyper-patriotic. There is no apetite to break up the country, except on the fringes.
   But the only state institution anyone seems to like and trust is the military and I can easily see the military eventually taking over if the political establishment can't reform the political system over the next generation or two.
4. Draco T Bastard 4

   3 March 2013 at 10:37 am

   Ah, the US proves just how bad a dual house system really is – again.

   We need checks and balances but not ones ruled over by warring political parties. Referendums that get the politicians to do what the people want are a far better idea.
5. ianmac 5

   3 March 2013 at 10:40 am

   Thanks ROB. A very puzzling situation in USA explained.
   But then even their Federal Elections seem puzzling to me. Democracy? A model to teach the World? Huh?
   • Dr Terry 5.1

     3 March 2013 at 12:14 pm

     ianmac – no, “democracy” is only a nice sounding word which by no means can be applied to America today (if it ever was) – democracy is what America wants for all those countries other than itself (they might even teach Key and his lot what it means!)

     American people, I know for sure, can be extremely gracious and think intelligently, though this seems to be becoming less the case. Of course “nice people” does not necessarily indicate “good people” – as too many New Zealanders appear to assume (you only need to be “a decent bloke” and all that crap).

     Americans (“the world’s top country” etc) are amazingly deluded as they persist in their colonising ways.

     You will note in any budget cut, that “Defence” remains incredibly high and untouchable. Against what or whom does America so desperately need to “defend itself”? This budgetary item badly needs to be entitled “the budget for OFFENCE”.
     • Dr Terry 5.1.1

       3 March 2013 at 12:35 pm

       See correction below (after Tom).
6. pollywog 6

   3 March 2013 at 10:45 am

   The prevailing need to feel if worse comes to worst they can still kick anyone’s arse fuels their paranoia and insecurity and overrides any sort of collective common sense.
7. Ad 7

   3 March 2013 at 10:50 am

   Anyone got any global economic forecasts on the cumulative effect of a flatlining US and EU together? Particularly studies about whether we are in for about a decade of what we’ve currently got in terms of economic rebuild from the GFC?
   • muzza 7.1

     3 March 2013 at 11:20 am

     The GFC is still in its early stages – Unless someone can show that the global financial structures have been altered in such a way as to halt the decline, and to *return to growth*.

     Remember that the monetary supply = debt, so until that is changed, nothing changes.

     People will keep dying because of the squeeze, thats a given!
     • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1

       3 March 2013 at 11:56 am

       Remember that the monetary supply = debt, so until that is changed, nothing changes.

       97% Owned

       People will keep dying because of the squeeze, thats a given!

       Yep, and the rich will keep getting richer because of it.
       • muzza 7.1.1.1

         3 March 2013 at 1:34 pm

         Thats right B – the 2-3% of notes and coins in the system, aside, the remainder enters as debt with an interest rate attached to it.

         As the interest amount does not enter the system with the principle loan, the interest payments need to be found in various ways, by those who owe the loan amount .

         This is where it all goes wrong, unless you own the credit creation system!
   • Foreign Waka 7.2

     3 March 2013 at 11:25 am

     Excerpts: General
     “This pace of growth will be far from sufficient to overcome the continued jobs crisis that many countries are still facing. With existing policies and growth trends, it may take at least another five years for Europe and the United States to make up for the job losses caused by the Great Recession of 2008-2009”
     Concerns NZ:
     The economic woes in Europe, Japan and the United States are spilling over to developing countries through weaker demand for their exports and heightened volatility in capital flows and commodity prices.

     And this is the report: http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/news/policy/wesp2013.html
     • Colonial Viper 7.2.1

       3 March 2013 at 12:22 pm

       With existing policies and growth trends, it may take at least another five years for Europe and the United States to make up for the job losses caused by the Great Recession of 2008-2009

       Did somebody declare the Great Recession over? From what I can see, it’s going about as strong as ever. Even the US budget retailer Walmart is compaining of disasterously dropping sales.
       • Foreign Waka 7.2.1.1

         3 March 2013 at 7:10 pm

         Depends who you ask. My view, when China slows down in the next couple of years things will really get tough. Wait for the war drums to be beaten by then. This is what happens when the hording of wealth has finally reached the breaking point.
8. Tom 8

   3 March 2013 at 11:36 am

   What the Sequester Will Do to the US Military

   http://app.response.stratfor.com/e/es?s=1483&e=657816&elq=8e69b3d2c9a34908b949582274acfff8
   • bad12 8.1

     3 March 2013 at 6:51 pm

     Gosh no more invasions by the US military while sequestration is the norm, sounds good from that point of view…
9. Dr Terry 9

   3 March 2013 at 12:34 pm

   Tom – yes, I stand corrected, at last it does appear that expenditure on American military is being restricted, which one hopes will mean they will get out of Afghanistan altogether as soon as possible, and stop eyeing up new prospects for invasion in other places.
10. emergency mike 10

    3 March 2013 at 6:38 pm

    “Obama wants cuts accompanied by closing tax loophole for the wealthy, in effect new taxes. Boehner, at the end of the White House talks Friday, was adamant that he will not contemplate any new taxes.”

    ‘Closing a tax loophole’ = ‘new tax’? Rich people say the darndest things.
11. Craig Glen viper 11

    3 March 2013 at 10:20 pm

    The sad thing about America is their education system does not promote critical thinking. This leaves the average American very vulnerable to blatant propaganda. So legislation to control the improper use of assault weapons on innocent people becomes “Obama’s like Hitler because Hitler made it illegal for citizens to own guns just like Obama is doing”. The lack of objectivity is astounding.
    I seriously doubt that Republicans will be blamed for the cuts.

    Americans totally believe the way their country does things is the only way period and yup they think they are the world leaders in everything.
12. Shanna Carson 12

    5 March 2013 at 8:44 am

    We need a freeze of governement expenses. We should only maintain essential spending. After all, if it’s not absolutely necessary, why are we spending money on it? Our children are drowning in debt before they are even born…

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