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This time, it’s different

Written By: - Date published: 10:12 am, January 16th, 2013 - 98 comments
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For the 5th year running, it’s that time of year, when the economists start promising the recovery is here. (remember ‘green shoots‘ in 2009?) Meanwhile, in the real world, there are twice as many jobless Kiwis as five years ago, and rising. If the pattern holds, later this year the economists will be lamenting the mysterious under-performance of the economy, as petrol hits a record price again.

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Btw, according to Treasury, it will now be 2017 before unemployment gets back down to even 5%. It was 4.2% when Key came to power.

98 comments on “This time, it’s different”

  1. Colonial Viper 1

    Don’t forget the accompanying calls for ordinary people to “tighten their belts” and to give new privileges to incentivise businesses and wealthy “job creators”.

  2. Sweetd 2

    Why are you using total number unemployed, as opposed to percentage unemployed? Comparing total number unemployed assumes that the total population has remained the same throughout the period.

    • Colonial Viper 2.1

      Our population has only grown marginally since 2008. Thanks goodness Australia has been acting as an unwanted NZ worker sink.

    • Zetetic 2.2

      that’s the total number jobless. Not unemployed. They don’t do a jobless percent because jobless are both in and out of the workforce and unemployment rate is a percentage of the workforce.

      Btw, our unemployment rate is at a 13 year high.

    • bad12 2.3

      Oh sure, lets all pretend that the unemployed are nothing but a %, everyone of them the lines on a graph, the % that makes up the numbers are our fellow Kiwi’s, their hopes and dreams either put on hold or completely trashed by the word ‘unemployed’,

      What are the scum that make up the Slippery lead National Government going to do about a local economy that has been stagnating for 5 years now,

      The answer,as usual, is to provide empty rhetoric by the bucket and punishment for the growing queue of those made unemployed through no fault of their own who have so far refused to decamp for Australia…

      • McFlock 2.3.1

        you missed the final bit of the answer: “… while Cabinet and their mates continue to get richer and richer and richer”.

    • @ Sweetd: The contrary argument is that as the population grows there is more economic activity (consumption, etc) and more work around. That doesn’t seem to be the case.

      But if it’s percentages you want; http://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/new-zealand-unemployment-rate.png?w=595&h=341

  3. Sanctuary 3

    “…ANZ economist Mark Smith said the outlook implied by the QSBO was for a moderate recovery, with a housing-induced pick-up underpinning sentiment in Auckland and the services sector…”

    In other words, we are not seeing a real economic recovery driven by real prosperity, with rising wages and salaries and real productive output. We are simply seeing another middle class housing bubble forming to distort the economy.

    • Saarbo 3.1

      “We are simply seeing another middle class housing bubble forming to distort the economy.”

      Exactly (in Auckland and Canterbury), this is clearly one of the most hopeless governments New Zealand has had for a very long time. I hope economists have factored in how much money will be extracted out of the economy from people buying shares in our electricity companies later in the year.

      This low achieving government are going to have to provide some stimulus into the economy soon. Apparently they are going to announce something soon, so we will see.

      But this is why so many people are desperately wanting Labour to get things in order. Many who have voted National in the last 2 elections are looking for an alternative…come on Labour, show some Leadership, call an membership Leader election in Feb so that we can tidy things up.

      • Fortran 3.1.1

        Are you sure that Labour will have understandable policy to make the ex Nats go to Labour ?

  4. Afewknowthetruth 4

    It’s all Orwellian (war is peace, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery etc.)

    Extraction of conventional oil peaked over 2005-2008) as is in severe decline throughout most of the world. The global economic system is being temporarily propped up by unconventional oil (tar sands, deep water, fracking etc.), but such source have low EROEI and are even more environmentally destructive than conventional oil. Demand destruction in Europe, Japan, the US etc. is also helping keep up the façade of normality in NZ.

    The fun will really start when the bond market goes kaput -which most commentators expect to happen later this year or in 2014.

    Of course, the severe climate change which the US and Australia (amongst others) are experiencing could bring the system down prematurely.

    In the meantime the politicians and the economists will ALL keep lying. After all, that’s what they are paid to do, isn’t it?

    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 4.1

      expect to happen later this year or in 2014.

      Afewknowthetruth, you have been confidently predicting 2013 as the end of everything. This talk of 2014 is disconcerting. My underground bunker is already full of the canned goods, bottled water, and homemade dishwasher soap .

      • bad12 4.1.1

        That’s luxury, have you really got a dishwasher in the bunker…

      • Afewknowthetruth 4.1.2

        No, I have not. I have suggested that by 2020 most things people in western societies take for granted will be unavailable, and that by the end if 2015 the globalised economic system will be in turmoil.

        The fact is, nobody knows for certain because many of the factors have an exponential nature and most are interconnected.

        It’s all very simple really. Those who prepare start to make immediate gains -in finances, in health, in knowledge etc. Those who refuse to accept reality and refuse to make any preparations continue to make losses, and continue to be physically and mentally ill.. And sentence themselves to unnecessary hardship when it all does collapse.

        The saddest aspect is that the longer present economic arrangement persist the less chance the next generation has of surviving at all.

        Of course, if you live in Greece or Spain (or numerous other countries) it is effectively already over, i.e. collapse did occur in 2012.

        • Tiresias 4.1.2.1

          “I have suggested that by 2020 most things people in western societies take for granted will be unavailable, and that by the end if 2015 the globalised economic system will be in turmoil.”

          Read that on a Mayan Calendar, did you?

    • Lanthanide 4.2

      “The fun will really start when the bond market goes kaput -which most commentators expect to happen later this year or in 2014.”

      October 2013, amirite?

  5. King Kong 5

    Lets hope the economists are wrong and there is not a recovery. It would be an absolute disaster if things got better for New Zealanders before the next election.

    Selfish and spitefull little people.

    • Zetetic 5.1

      Are you refering to the 300000 jobless kiwis?

      • King Kong 5.1.1

        How could you possibly think that?

        If I was referring to them I would have used the phrase “lazy losers”.

        • bad12 5.1.1.1

          Brainless idiot, the only ‘lazy loser’ round here is you, hopefully not for much longer…

        • felixviper 5.1.1.2

          Ah yes, those 300,000 losers who had jobs until 4 years ago but then suddenly all became too lazy to work.

        • Dr Terry 5.1.1.3

          KK – and you have a “lazy brain” (if you have one at all). Naturally, you have never understood the meaning of concepts like “compassion”. Key should recruit you straight into his cabinet (this is not intended as a compliment, for you would be likely to take it as one).

        • Frank Macskasy 5.1.1.4

          @ King Kong: “If I was referring to them I would have used the phrase “lazy losers”.”

          And, that, Mr Kong, is why it’s so hard to take right wingers like you seriously. Disparaging the victims of the 2007/08 GFC whilst using the same GFC as an excuse why our economy is in the doldrums shows the real laziness here; intellectual laziness.

          • Copperhead 5.1.1.4.1

            +1 That’s a tops way of defining it, going on the list of things to throw at the neanderthal tories, ta

    • scotty 5.2

      “Lets hope the economists are wrong and there’s no recovery, It would be an absolute disaster if things got better for New Zealanders before the next election.”
      Selfish and spitefull little people.

      King kong feigns offence, at self generated comment, then consoles himself with the same ,imaginary strawman.

    • Afewknowthetruth 5.3

      You don’t need to ‘hope’ that economists are wrong: they always are. Indeed, the entire foundation of modern economics is wrong, which is why everything that matters will definitely get worse. (

      • Populuxe1 5.3.1

        Doom! DOOOOOM!!! The end is NIGH!!!!!

        • vto 5.3.1.1

          Well yes it probably is. History shows that there have been many many Ends already, followed by starts from pretty much scratch. Did you know that this is the case? Or are you one of these people who seem to think that mankind has been on a steady and constant increase since first walking on two legs?

      • Tiresias 5.3.2

        “Indeed, the entire foundation of modern economics is wrong, which is why everything that matters will definitely get worse.”

        Certainly Economics still falls short of being able to claim to be a science. But then, science is a search for truth by verification. What ‘Truth’ could Economics claim to be in search of? A perfect society, made and sustained by the application of economics?

        However Economics is still more worthy of consderation than is crystal-ball gazing in order to make definite statements about the future.

        • Draco T Bastard 5.3.2.1

          Prior to about a century or so back economics was part of philosophy. IMO, it should be back there because by stopping asking the question of what should be economists have lost the plot and this has resulted in economics becoming nothing more than a justification of capitalism.

        • KJT 5.3.2.2

          Not when it’s accuracy is like a stopped clock. Correct twice a day.

          Where is the better future the neo-liberals promised in the 80’s. After three decades of their prescription all the countries who tried it are not only worse off, they are even worse of by their own measurements, such as GDP

          If we start reading economists like Kean, Keynes and others who based their hypothesis on what was happening around them in the real world, and not the Austrians, who base it on the world as they like it to be, or Freidman (and the Chicago school. Responsible for more poverty than a whole club of dictators), who used economics to justify dictatorship, plutocracy, greed and antisocial meanness, we may have a chance..

          Crystal ball gazing has the advantage of being right, some of the time.

  6. Wayne (a different one) 6

    While members of the Labour Party are wringing their hands in despair at the number of people moving across the ditch to Australia (and of course this phenomina never occured under a Labour Govt), the leader Mr. Shearer had earnest talks with visting UK politician Mr. Haigue yesterday over the possibility of relaxing entry for young New Zealanders, so they can gain easier access to Britain for work.

    Am I missing something here?

    In terms of unemployment, we have something like 6% registered as unemployed in Christchurch, yet employers are bemoaning the fact they can’t get any interest from the local market, again am I missing something here as well?

    Or are these 6% or so the “poor” of our society, that through no fault of their own can’t be bothered getting off their arses or out of bed to get a job and, therefore require our taxpayer funded welfare to keep them in the lifestyle they have become accustomed?

    It’s about self motivation/pride – but of course Labour will always find an excuse for these people and, will happily fund there lifestyles from “craddle to grave.” So don’t bleet on this website about the unemployment numbers.

    • vto 6.1

      Yes you are most definitely missing something. Employers should rely on the free market model to which most subscribe and offer more money. Supply and demand and all that. Or is the free market supposed to be suspended when it comes to business and employers?

    • One Tāne Huna 6.2

      “Am I missing something here?”

      Why, yes you are. Several things actually. Facts, sense and understanding.

      Just one minor detail to demonstrate how full of shit you are: the historically low unemployment rate in 2007 after nine years of a broad left government.

      Why is it that wingnuts always fail the reality check?

      I’m picking low intelligence.

      • Draco T Bastard 6.2.1

        Why is it that wingnuts always fail the reality check?

        Because reality always contradicts what they believe to be true.

    • bad12 6.3

      Yes of course you are missing something ‘here’, Brains for starters, i mean the brains to at least prove your pathetic assertion and the brains to be able to grasp a small truism of market Labour in that those with the relevant skills get employed first in a ‘labour market’,

      Which they have been in the Christchurch rebuild leaving behind what that ‘labour market’ for whatever reason, be that the individual’s skill set, the ‘look’ of the indivdual, the market doesn’t want to employ,

      Perhaps tho you think that the 50 something woman recently made redundant from a University catering job should apply for positions with demolition and construction firms currently engaged in the rebuild, the fact that someone like i highlight above would not be hired by an employer to do such work doesn’t seem to register in what passes for your brain…

    • @ Wayne (a different one);

      I think you’re ignoring a major point top do with trans-tasman migration.

      This was one of John Key’s major election platforms in 2008. Since then, according to numbers, migration has INCREASED in the last four years. So much for Key’s famous election hoarding; http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/johnnys-report-card-national-standards-assessment-ye-2012-migration/

      What you are doing is attempting to shift responsibility to a party (Labour) that hasn’t been in power for FOUR years.

      At what point, Wayne, does your party (National/ACT) start taking responsibility for it’s own policies and actions?

      At what point do you accept that National has to take responsibility and not constantly blame others? Especially when the numbers point to a WORSENING situation and not improvement?

      “It’s about self motivation/pride” you say… well, where is the improving economic situation from National’s policies to increasing “self motivation/pride”? Answer; there ain’t any. In fact, if anything, the increasing numbers show the clear opposite.

      And you can also ask the redundant workers from these companies where their “self motivation/pride” is;

      ANZ; 1,000 redundancies
      Yellow Pages; 125 redundancies
      Wire by Design, 55 redundancies
      Hakes Marine; 15 redundancies
      Telecom; 400 redundancies
      Brightwater Engineering; 40 redundancies
      Pernod Ricard New Zealand; 13 redundancies
      Depart of Corrections; 130 redundancies
      Summit Wool Spinners; 80 redundancies
      Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade; 80 redundancies
      Cavalier/Norman Ellison Carpets; 70 redundancies
      IRD; 51 redundancies
      Flotech; 70 redundancies
      NZ Police; 125 redundancies
      CRI Plant and Food; 25 redundancies
      Te Papa; 16 redundancies (?)
      PrimePort Timaru; 30 redundancies
      Kiwirail; 158 redundancies
      Fisher & Paykel; 29 redundancies
      Goulds Fine Foods; 60 redundancies
      Canterbury University; 150 redundancies (over three years)
      Solid Energy; 363 redundancies 460 redundancies
      Tiwai Pt aluminium smelter; 100 redundancies
      Axiam Metals; 44 redundancies
      Norske Skog; 120 redundancies
      Goodman Fielder; redundancy numbers t.b.a.
      Dunedin City Council/Delta: 30 redundancies
      Blue Sky Meats; 100 redundancies
      Kaipara Ltd/Stockton Alliance; 63 redundancies
      Wainuiomata New World; 44 redundancies
      Nuplex; 64 redundancies
      Newmont Waihi Gold; 20 redundancies
      Ministry of Justice; 70-200 redundancies
      Salisbury School in Nelson and McKenzie Residential School in Christchurch; 90 redundancies
      Rakon; 60 redundancies
      Dynamic Solutions; 40-60 redundancies
      Thorn Lighting; 8 redundancies
      Eastern Institute of Technology; 12 redundancies (?)
      UCOL; 30 – 50 redundancies
      Kiwirail Hillside Workshops; 90 redundancies
      SCA Hygiene Australasia; 140 redundancies
      Carter Holt Harvey; 70 redundancies

      “Or are these 6% or so the “poor” of our society, that through no fault of their own can’t be bothered getting off their arses or out of bed to get a job and, therefore require our taxpayer funded welfare to keep them in the lifestyle they have become accustomed? ”

      “The lifestyle they have become accustomed “?! Pray tell, do you even KNOW what a single unemployed person, over 25, is alloted on the unemployment benefit? I bet you haven’t a clue.

      And did you know that the numbers on unemployment and sole-parent benefits were DECLINING up until 2008? That those on the dole have DOUBLED since then?

      Perhaps the GFC (Global Financial Crisis) had something to do with that? You think?

      Or did all the redundancies above choose to become redundant so they could receive $204.96 a week (net) on the dole?

      • Georgecom 6.4.1

        Thats a nasty thing to demand Frank, asking the Nat/ACT government (and by association Wayne) to take responsibility for its actions.

        • Frank Macskasy 6.4.1.1

          I can appreciate that, Georgecom… Expecting the Right to abide by the same rules they lay down for the rest of us… Well, that’s just downright outrageous, I guess. :-)

          I’m waiting for the day they’ll start blaming high unemployment and depressed economy on sunspots.

    • Georgecom 6.5

      No Wayne, it’s not about self pride and motivation. It’s about a lack of jobs around for every person who wants to work.

      Why not do a favour for all of those who claim unemployment is about “motivation” and ‘laziness’

      put an exact figure on the number of unemployed who are out of work simply because they are lazy or not motivated.

      How many of the unemployed are out of work due to laziness or lack of motivation?

      State figure here _______

      Thanks

    • Murray Olsen 6.6

      You’re missing the difference between a year or so of OE and moving permanently to Australia. I’m not surprised, because when the same stuff was cut and pasted by a greasy slob pretending to be a blogger, his audience missed it too. I’m sure you’ll get points for trying though. Just like NAct ministers, you don’t actually have to succeed to be rewarded.

    • tracey 6.7

      yes, you are missing something, National identified it as an enormous problem in 2008 and devoted a lot of campaign words and policy to it, until elected. I dont agree with Labour also suggesting it’s a major problem other than in highlighting the duplicity of National and that it cant be trusted.

      You sir, manage to regurgitate misguided memes as though they are fact. You probably believe that benefit fraud is rampant and conveniently forget it was Labour in 2007 who completed a widespread investigation into welfare fraud and found it barely touches the sides of the fraud being committed by top businesses

  7. Pascal's bookie 7

    …the historically low unemployment rate in 2007 after nine years of a broad left government…just goes to show how spiteful these pricks are OTH.

    Making right wing policy look bad is the only thing that motivates them to get their lazy arses out of bed when the left is in power. Then they don’t vote, and quit their jobs to live the life of Riley when the poor bloody Nats come in. It’s a bloody plot mate. Alinsky stuff. The wankers.

  8. Wayne (a different one) 8

    OTH you are what I call a “tragic” – that is a “total retard and gullible in consequence”.

    Do you really for one minute believe the last Labour Govt had any positive input into creating that employment level? That from a Govt who openly admitted they had not one person in their caucus that had any business accumen. Come on man, get a grip and give yourself a good stiff uppercut.

    They governed this country through a worldwide economic boom and, that created thousands of new jobs, but these were not of their making – it was a consequence and to their good fortune.

    But lets look at what the last Labour Govt did in terms of unemployment. Well for a start they increased the size of the public sector by in excess of 100% – what that delivered apart from increased bureaucracy, I’m not sure.

    They shifted tens of thousands off the unemployed benefit onto the sickness benefit – so as to fudge the statistics.

    They propped up failing/uneconomic SOE’s and other businesses with the use of tax payer money, again to keep the unemployment stats looking good. Many of these business have since failed or gone into receivership – so that was an excellent strategy and a value for money exercise on their part.

    And it goes on!!!!

    • vto 8.1

      Well you know Mr Wayne, I have been positively bemused over the break as to how a country as wealthy as ours fails to adequately house and feed all of its people and fails to keep them all occupied. And especially bemused that such a country has people who cannot afford to see the doctor whenever they need to.

      It is an indictment on the structure of our society. It is so far out of whack it is frankly obscene. And people who support this current structure are imo complete and utter selfish greedy arseholes who I would rather took themselves elsewhere.

    • bad12 8.2

      Aha, and on the reverse of all that National has trashed what you bleat about above creating a huge pool of unemployed you accuse of being too lazy to get out of bed,

      Your density, the thickness of your argument grows ever wider, you cannot have it both ways, the economic Ism dictates that the ‘free market’ when left to it’s own devices will employ between 98 and 94% of the available workforce at any given time depending upon economic conditions,

      There’s no ifs or buts there you f**king retard it’s a fact of the market all over the world, the fact that you continue to whine about the individual and not the Ism just shows us all that you have not really got a f**king clue…

    • One Tāne Huna 8.3

      Wayne, I see you can’t stay on topic. You were abusing your fellow citizens who, according to your gutless gutter-level smear, “can’t be bothered getting off their arses or out of bed”.

      The 2007 employment level demonstrates that your gutter-level smear is bullshit.

      You make several other allegations while offering no supporting evidence, and I think you are either lying deliberately, from the gutter, or you are an ignorant dupe who parrots other people’s lies.

      Put up or shut up.

      • McFlock 8.3.1

        I love the way Labour always seems to have such luck at reducing unemployment.

        In politicians, as well as generalship, luck is important, too.

    • lprent 8.4

      That from a Govt who openly admitted they had not one person in their caucus that had any business accumen.

      Always nice to see someone being a complete fool and making idiotic unsubstantiated assertions.

      Why do you think that business acumen is useful for either the process of government or for that matter even spelling correctly (something that you clearly fail at)?

      Despite having worked in private industry during my entire working life in various roles ranging from factory manager to computer programmer, having helped to set up several successful businesses, and having a MBA and a family background in management – I wouldn’t make such a bold claim. Certainly the evidence doesn’t support you. Just looking at NZ politics, I’d have to say that business people elected to political roles usually make at best barely adequate to the most useless politicians when viewed from a perspective of 20-20 hindsight.

      Of course that could be other way around as well – only the most useless business people become politicians. Otherwise why would they want the role? Steven Joyce comes to mind.

      However your statement is somewhat incorrect anyway unless you have a very narrow view of what constitutes business acumen. Just offhand and without even bothering to think about it; David Cunliffe worked for the BCG as a business consultant and David Parker had a background both in law and as businessman running his own company. Both were in the last Labour government.

      But I guess you are too stupid to do the basic task of looking up wikipedia before you started stroking the object that you call a “brain” (more commonly known as a penis). The words “pathetic wanker” come to mind whilst reading your comments.

    • “But lets look at what the last Labour Govt did in terms of unemployment. Well for a start they increased the size of the public sector by in excess of 100% – ”

      That is rubbish.

      Can you provide back-up information for that nonsensical BS?

    • “Do you really for one minute believe the last Labour Govt had any positive input into creating that employment level? That from a Govt who openly admitted they had not one person in their caucus that had any business accumen.”

      Funny – the Nats pride themselves on having quite a few MPs with business “acumen”.

      And yet our economy is still stagnating; unemployment increasing; export sector impacted by a high dollar; migration to Australia is up; etc, etc.

      Heck, National’s only plans for economic growth seem predicated on more pokie machines and selling state assets. That’s the sum total of their plans for growth.

      Even the business community is getting pissed off at the Nat’s lack of serious economic growth,

      “Businesses have echoed Labour’s criticism that the Government lacks a blueprint to develop the economy.

      Party leaders and their finance spokesmen yesterday fronted up to lobby group Business NZ’s election conference to outline their economic vision.

      Business NZ also released the results of its election survey of more than 1300 small to large businesses. While almost all believed it was important for the government to have a co-ordinated plan of action that raised economic performance, little more than a third thought John Key’s Government had one.”

      Source: Business NZ sees no economic plan

      When even the business community is getting frustrated at National’s inept performance then you know we have a problem. (Unless you’re a sanctimonious, blame-gaming National supporter, in which case New Zealand is doing really hunky dory.)

      So much for National’s “business acumen”.

    • tracey 8.7

      Hat Tip to BLiP

      a TRIBUTE T THE INTEGRITY OF THE NON SOCIALIST GOVT.

      ” – I didn’t know about The Bretheren election tactics

      – I’m Jewish/Christian/Agnostic

      – “If they came to us now with that proposal [re trans-Tasman Therapeutic Goods regime], we will sign it.”

      – 1981

      – Tranzrail shares

      – Lord Ashcroft

      – National Ltd™ would have sent troops into Iraq

      – Standard & Poors credit downgrade

      – “I didn’t say I want wages to drop”

      – the real figure of inflation is 3.3 percent.

      – the tourism sector has not lost 7,000 jobs

      – “I won’t raise GST:

      – the purchase of farmland, by overseas buyers will be restricted to ten farms per purchase

      – Capping, not cutting the public service,

      – “North of $50 a week”

      – Privatisation won’t significantly help the economy

      – Wave goodbye to higher taxes, not your loved ones

      – “I never offered Brash a diplomatic job in London”

      – Kiwisaver

      – National Ltd™ is not going to radically reorganise the structure of the public sector

      – Tax cuts won’t require additional borrowing

      – “Our amendments to the ETS ensure we will continue to do our fair share internationally”

      – We are committed to honouring our Kyoto Protocol obligations

      – “we [NZ} have grown for eight of the last nine quarters”

      – National Ltd™ will tender out the government banking contract

      – “…we will be back in surplus by 2014-15…”

      – “…unemployment is starting to fall…”

      – “…we have created 45,000 jobs…”

      – “…we are likely to create 170,000 jobs in the next 4 years…”

      – I don’t know if I own a vineyard

      – The Isreali spy killed in the Christchurch quake had “only one” passport

      – The Police will not need to make savings by losing jobs

      – GCSB x 3 (that we know about)

      – “I voted to keep the drinking age at 20″

      – New Zealand is 100% Pure

      – “I’ve been prime minister for four years, and it’s really 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year”

      – Baseball in New Zealand is attracting more government support

      – the public demanded that we change the labour laws for The Hobbit

      – we have delivered 1000 extra doctors in the public service

      – “The Hobbit” created 3000 new jobs

      • BLiP 8.7.1

        .

        But wait . . . there’s more:

        – we have delivered 1000 extra doctors in the public service

        – I wasn’t working at Elders when the sham foreign exchange deals took place

        – I was starting School Certificate exams in 1978

  9. Wayne (a different one) 9

    Thanks guys, appreciate your learned comments.

    We will await the Socialist model that will inevitably follow a change of Govt – if it ever happens.

    A model that has served the economies and people of Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and France so very well – bring it on I just can’t wait for the bloody shambles that will unfold.

    Then it will take a National Govt to once again pick up the pieces of a shattered economy and, apply band aids everywhere to fix it up!

    Remember the last Labour Govt left office with not a cent in reserves, after having unprecedent reserves, following their tenure through an economic world-wide boom period – blew the lot on socialist agendas that delivered nothing, i.e. Kiwi rail $600 odd million – when it was worth almost nothing, great.

    Some people are just so indoctrinated with the socialist mindset, it’s unbelievable.

    It’s never delivered a bloody successful economy yet.

    It seems to suit people who can’t think or fend for themselves – Nanny State knows best and will look after me.

    Sad guys – does the above description fit you well, because me thinks it does.

    • One Tāne Huna 9.1

      Polly wanna cracker?

      Edit: translation for poor Wayne’s benefit: “even your delusional bile is copied from someone else.”

    • bad12 9.2

      Some people like yourself are just brainless fuckwits unable to provide proof for their village idiot assertions who simply carry on the snivel about the fact that the Ism they support with mindless consistency has never embraced anything but the victim culture of blaming the unemployed for the Ism’s failure to provide anywhere near full employment in the economy…

    • fatty 9.3

      We will await the Socialist model that will inevitably follow a change of Govt – if it ever happens.
      Some people are just so indoctrinated with the socialist mindset, it’s unbelievable.

      Try wiki for a definition of socialism Wayne…your stupidity is amusing.

      Labour and National are both capitalists, they are third way capitalists who both believe in limited welfare, a neoliberal based form of biculturalism, a market dominated economy, and individualism. Neither Labour or National are close to being socialist, they are basically the same and only differ on tax/redistribution by a few percentage points.

      Try not to be a moron on TS Wayne…this ain’t kiwiblog, thinking is encouraged here

    • vto 9.4

      Wayne, here is how to make a point.

      1. State something.
      2. Explain why it is so, in your opinion.
      3. Back it up with evidence and examples.

      Otherwise it’s just boring and useless.

    • Foreign Waka 9.5

      I just can’t let this go unchallenged…… moneys went to the Kiwi Super fund contribution for a starter and did NZ big favors – still is. Otherwise this Government would not be able to borrow any money at all. Social Spending such as support for families etc was another “expense” that was on the books under labour.
      And by the way… all the collected money via tax is the public’s and not the governments. Lets be clear about that.
      The people agree to pay tax to further society as a whole and not corporate profits.And this is the main difference between Labour and National – one distributes taxes back into society and the other into the back pockets of the few (more or less). History tells us that we have been around this block a number of times. The saving grace was the availability of resources in the game of ups and down’s. However, this time its a bit different because all natural resources a finite and this becomes obvious with every day. So the hysterical hunt and invention of all sorts of make belief “business” has been introduced into the market to have the money train roling (carbon credits, money printing, IT bubble, housing bubble, fracking etc).
      We all have to change our thinking and this will be the most difficult part. Whether this can be achieved peacefully? I am rather pessimistic.

    • vto 9.6

      Hey Wayne, perhaps you could at least try and answer some of the points people are making to you… yes? Or no?

      Well, I have a question for you and I am sure you will have a quick and simple answer…. why do we have unemployment?

    • “It’s never delivered a bloody successful economy yet. ”

      You mean aside from the Scandinavian nations who enjoy a higher standard of loiving than us? With lower child-poverty diseases? A higher GDP?

      As opposed to the capiltalist model which, in 2007/08 brought the international economy to it’s knees, requiring billions in bailouts?

      Or was that all a figment of my imagination? Or occurred on a Parallel Universe Earth?

    • “Remember the last Labour Govt left office with not a cent in reserves, after having unprecedent reserves, following their tenure through an economic world-wide boom period – blew the lot on socialist agendas that delivered nothing, i.e. Kiwi rail $600 odd million – when it was worth almost nothing, great.”

      Where on Earth do you get your BS from?

      Are you totally unaware of the surpluses that Labour ran SURPLUSES in successive budgets, as well as paying down government debt?! Or do you simply choose to ignore reality in favour of your own skewed version of reality?

      Here, look at Treasury’s data on net government debt: http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/befu2012/015.htm/befu12-35.gif

      Notice how it was paid down on Labour’s watch? Kinda demolishes your argument, doesn’t it?

      • Herodotus 9.8.1

        Frank your data link does not support your claim of “Notice how it was paid down on Labour’s watch? Kinda demolishes your argument, doesn’t it?”. Given your history And background I will take it that this is just a minor blemish. Have a nice day ;-)

        • Frank Macskasy 9.8.1.1

          ?!?!

          The link was to a Treasury graph showing net government debt being paid down, and then from 2008 rising.

          It’s a simple picture for those who require simple illustrations.

          I’m not sure what more I can offer. Something in crayon perhaps, Herodotus? ;-)

          • Herodotus 9.8.1.1.1

            If you want to commence some nastyness when you are called out fine but at least support your claims. Your link does NOT support the comment of paying down debt. A table or graph that displays value of debt being paid or gross debt reducing would.But this does not. Please put up before you turning to derogatory terms, unless you are unable and are using diversionary tactics. ;-)

    • xtasy 9.9

      Wayne –

      Greece, run by the right for a few terms, running up dept and deficits (while pampering their supporters and clientele), which the Socialists then had to face and start cleaning up again;
      Italy run by Berlusconi and his right wing support parties for many years, also keeping up debt by giving tax cuts for his supporters, leaving a mess behind that a coalition government without him, led by a pragmatist was left to try and fix again;
      Spain – having being governed by a conservative government, admittedly following a previous “social democratic” one, suffered a crisis largely because of the consequence of the GFC, and overexposure to real estate investments, leading to a sudden stop, bad debts, high leverage and solutions that required bailing out banks;
      Portugal – having been governed by more right of centre and left of centre governments in various terms, so you can hardly blame all their problems on “socialist” governments;
      France – as far as I can recollect, having been governed for a long time by Sarcozy and conservative governments, only just end of last year being taken over by Hollande and a more left leaning president and government now; a country suffering problems, but hardly a basked case.

      So where have you been, and what do you mean with a “socialist model” being to blame for the economic problems of the countries you listed.

      And Labour left the books in rather sound condition, which even Bill English initially accepted and stated.

      You are as “informed” and “expert” in economics as a donkey is as a dentist or surgeon.

      I am sorry, but what you present is anything but convincing, you have no clue of global economics as they are and have been, and need to dome some healthy reading of international media reports of value, before you can come and present us such rubbish here.

  10. AmaKiwi 10

    On Jan 14th Bill ran a thread entitled “Welcome to Burdigalian” concluding with “Anybody attempting to run an AGW (anti global warming) denialist arguments will be banned. Them’s the rules. You don’t have to like them. You’ve been warned.”

    I wish the same had been said for this thread. “Anybody attempting to run arguments that neo-liberalism is a roaring success and people are poor because they deserve to be poor will be banned. Them’s the rules. You don’t have to like them. You’ve been warned.”

    At the moment I do not find the words to express how strongly I feel about the economic and social fiasco we are spiraling into. These are gravely serious issues. At times I gain valuable information and perspectives from people on The Standard. But these halfwit right wing denialists with their unsubstantiated b.s. are a huge waste of my time. They divert the thread from questions of enormous import to me and the country’s future.

    • Tiresias 10.1

      I wish the same had been said for this thread. “Anybody attempting to run arguments that neo-liberalism is a roaring success and people are poor because they deserve to be poor will be banned. Them’s the rules. You don’t have to like them. You’ve been warned.”

      Can’t agree. If you aren’t prepared to listen to ARGUMENTS theat neo-liberalism &tc. you’re just another closed-minded bigot. However simple STATEMENTS that neo-liberalism &tc. are a waste of everyone’s time and should be moderated out, as should any simple STATEMENTS that are merely a personal opinion presented as indisputable fact.

      What should be deleted instantly and lead to banning is personal abuse and denegration of other writers and the gutter-mouthing of third-parties as it is unnecessary, shows up the writer to be small-minded and inarticulate and turns what could and should be an interesting, informative and even possibly educational exchange of views and ideas into a tedious, quickly-skipped wade through sewage, as is much of the above.

      Frankly, visiting The Standard sometimes these days is like having to visit a public lavatory to find that the last person to use the cubicle couldn’t be bothered to flush.

      • AmaKiwi 10.1.1

        @ Tiresias

        I understand your points and wholeheartedly agree about the personal abuse.

        I read a lot of history and economic history. For me, personally, it is crystal clear that we are spiraling downward. Other generations have been here. Some coped in humane ways. Others declined into despotism. How they coped and how we will cope is my critical issue.

        Maybe I am ahead of some people because I can’t be bothered listening to people who are in denial about the seriousness of our predicament and the magnitude of the challenges we face.

        • kiwicommie 10.1.1.1

          I just look at the real economic data i.e. when you don’t heavily ‘tighten belts’ and instead introduce stimilus and introduce new banking regulations you get economic recovery and surpluses. The UK, Greece, NZ and parts of the US that followed a neo liberal approach have high unemployment, low growth and massive deficits. Decent minded economists like Kroghman (sp) who have telling everyone neo liberalism will fail have been proven right, just like in the 1920s-1940s. Austerity never works in a global recession/deppression or really hard economic times, Keynesian economics is bringing neo liberalism to its knees.

          • Colonial Viper 10.1.1.1.1

            However, energy and resource depletion is bringing Keynesian economics to its knees. The Keynesian formula for getting out of recession is to boost incomes in order to boost spending, in order to boost consumption (aggregate demand), in order to boost economic activity and therefore promote growth.

            But not only does this get harder to do financially as the price of resources and energy climbs, but speeding up the consumption of these things brings us to the depletion cliff faster.

          • Draco T Bastard 10.1.1.1.2

            No, it’s neo-liberalism that is bringing capitalism to its knees. Thing is, Keynesianism doesn’t work either. In fact, it’s just a way to prop up capitalism and that doesn’t work as we found out in the 1970s which is why we went back to liberalism – the ism that failed badly in the 19th century.

            The problem is capitalism and it is that that we have to address.

        • tracey 10.1.1.2

          As long as those in power deliberately avert their eyes from the countries which have achieved some “success” because it doesn’t fit their ideology are not doing their job. Successive government’s do it while telling us, and themselves, they are doing it for the best of the country.

          For a party that abhorred nanny state they sure do seem to be doing alot of parenting.

      • tracey 10.1.2

        I agree that the name-calling, overt and more “intellectually” couched (for want of another expression, is frustrating. However The Standard doesn’t have it on its own, and I struggle to understand why people who feel so strongly about things can’t get by without so resorting.

  11. xtasy 11

    Hey, bud, gotta job for ya.

    Me shoes need polishin and me arse wiped.

    Gotta solution, will pay ya.

    Good on ya. Key is our hero. He also loves clean arse wipes, just like me.

    Thank you, we are winners now.

    “Middle and uppedy NZ”

  12. Japan just passed a big stimilus package, to create 600k jobs, support businesses and build infrastructure.

    National still leaves everything ‘to the market’, despite the fact that there is rising unemployment, a growing trade deficit, a weak tourism sector; and a housing bubble that if it burst, would ruin National’s election hopes.

    PS: California has a 800m surplus, whereas conservative Texas has a 27b deficit. Clearly the left and not the neo liberal right know how to run an economy. National like other neo liberal parties will soon be in the dustbin of history. :p

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      Japan just passed a big stimilus package, to create 600k jobs, support businesses and build infrastructure.

      Japan is maybe 3-4 years from going broke.

      Their Government currently spends 25% of their tax revenue on servicing the interest on Bank of Japan debt.

      • vto 12.1.1

        “Government currently spends 25% of their tax revenue on servicing the interest on Bank of Japan debt.”

        And therein lies the exact problem of the world’s woes.

        The usurious financial system. History will prove this to be so.

        • Draco T Bastard 12.1.1.1

          History has already proven it so – about 5000 years ago is first recorded instance of it – and yet we keep going back to the same system that failed then.

          • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1.1

            Political leaders (and the people of whole nations) beholden to money lenders. President Andrew Jackson said as much in his farewell address.

            The paper system being founded on public confidence and having of itself no intrinsic value, it is liable to great and sudden fluctuations, thereby rendering property insecure and the wages of labor unsteady and uncertain. The corporations which create the paper money cannot be relied upon to keep the circulating medium uniform in amount.

            In times of prosperity, when confidence is high, they are tempted by the prospect of gain or by the influence of those who hope to profit by it to extend their issues of paper beyond the bounds of discretion and the reasonable demands of business; and when these issues have been pushed on from day to day, until public confidence is at length shaken, then a reaction takes place, and they immediately withdraw the credits they have given, suddenly curtail their issues, and produce an unexpected and ruinous contraction of the circulating medium, which is felt by the whole community.

            The banks by this means save themselves, and the mischievous consequences of their imprudence or cupidity are visited upon the public.

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    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
    ...
    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Party members and affiliates – the real losers in Labour’s leadership f...
    Hey, wanna do a back room deal that cuts the members and affiliates out? Cunliffe must be reeling. He has lost failed Ilam candidate James Dann. It must cut as deep as the loss of Steve Gibson. Apart from providing Claire...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election res...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election result...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • The rich get richer
    Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman highlights the growing inequality in this article in the New York Times. The left wing slogan that the “the rich get richer” is a fact of almost perverse power. The most recent period of expansion in the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • A brief word on reinvading Iraq
    So after telling the country before the election that NZ would not send forces to Iraq, lo and behold now he’s won the election with a full spectrum dominance political majority, Key is suddenly now looking to join the re-invasion of...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • A brief word on the importance of ACT, Maori Party and United Future to Nat...
    I’m a far right wing clown who attacks tax money going on anything collective, gimmie some cash and privilege.  One of the great successes of National has been to implement hard right policy but have it sold as moderate. For some NZers,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Labour’s Angst
    Was Labour’s predictably low vote David Cunliffe’s fault? Was it policy? Was it something else that has aroused perceptions of electoral carnage? My analysis of the numbers suggests that, as uncertain voters made up their minds, there was a late...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Information wars: Gaza as “the last taboo”, the threat of mass surveill...
    “When the truth is replaced with silence” wrote the soviet dissident Yevgeni Yevtushenko, “the silence is a lie.” There has been a silence these past months full of noise, static and sound bites of those in power justifying their violence,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • When the media say they covered Dirty Politics – did they?
    I was watching The Nation in the weekend, and watched the defenders of NZ media up against Minto telling him he was wrong in his claims of media bias and that the media covered Dirty Politics. I laughed. When the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG – P Campbell – To the Left with love
    A week after the general election results I feel wrung out emotionally, having been through the disappointment, depression and anger of seeing  another right wing government elected overwhelmingly by winning support from the parts of NZ that will never benefit...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – I will be the new Labour Leader!
    One week after the election, while I was still waiting to be consulted about contributing to the review on what went wrong, what do you know? There is a leadership challenge. So instead of opting for a united, thoughtful and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – A Prescient Post
    A very prescient pre-election post by Martyn Bradbury tells us why the Labour Party are at war now. “The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work” Despite Martyn Bradbury warning them this Right Wing strategy “Better Work”...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – W(h)ither Labour (!/?)
    There’s an old saying that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Not so in the Labour Party, wherein soul-crushing defeat on a scale unseen since 1925 definitely has many fathers (and more than a few mothers and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • At the end of the day…
    At the end of the day…...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty
    Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Internet MANA the election and the media
    I’ve been very critical of media reporting of Internet MANA during the election campaign and not surprised at the predictable response from representatives of the corporate media establishment. I wasn’t going to carry this further but was asked at the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Rachel Jones – A superficial discourse analysis of a superfic...
    On Sunday there was a story about Paddy Gower and his detached retina in the Herald on Sunday. Really? I hear you ask. Really? Yes, really. Pam Corkery will have sprayed toast crumbs over her dressing gown. The reporter has become...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Terrorising Australia’s Muslim population
    We should be suspicious when 800 police conduct “terror” raids across Australia, but only one person is charged with a relevant terrorism offence (of which we know few details). We should be suspicious of the lurid tales of terrorists planning...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its min...
    Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its mind. I know the Labour party has its problems and I’m not even going to try to prescribe what should be done about it. But what I...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Loyalty, Leadership and the Labour Party
    My first after the election and I can only say I’m feeling pretty sad.  It was a terrible result, and feels even more so knowing the number of volunteers hours, hard work & sacrifice made by so many people who...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Cunliffe vs Robertson – Round 2
    Much to the disappointment of the NZ Herald and other right wing pundits who have decided they would like to appoint the next Labour leader, Cunliffe has surprised by deciding to damn the Caucus and appeal directly to the members...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The tasks before the left and labour movement
    Anyone on the left would have been disappointed at the result of the election. There was an opportunity to win, but that got lost through a combination of factors. There were tactical decisions made by Labour, the Greens and Internet-Mana...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
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