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This time, it’s different

Written By: - Date published: 10:12 am, January 16th, 2013 - 98 comments
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For the 5th year running, it’s that time of year, when the economists start promising the recovery is here. (remember ‘green shoots‘ in 2009?) Meanwhile, in the real world, there are twice as many jobless Kiwis as five years ago, and rising. If the pattern holds, later this year the economists will be lamenting the mysterious under-performance of the economy, as petrol hits a record price again.

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Btw, according to Treasury, it will now be 2017 before unemployment gets back down to even 5%. It was 4.2% when Key came to power.

98 comments on “This time, it’s different”

  1. Colonial Viper 1

    Don’t forget the accompanying calls for ordinary people to “tighten their belts” and to give new privileges to incentivise businesses and wealthy “job creators”.

  2. Sweetd 2

    Why are you using total number unemployed, as opposed to percentage unemployed? Comparing total number unemployed assumes that the total population has remained the same throughout the period.

    • Colonial Viper 2.1

      Our population has only grown marginally since 2008. Thanks goodness Australia has been acting as an unwanted NZ worker sink.

    • Zetetic 2.2

      that’s the total number jobless. Not unemployed. They don’t do a jobless percent because jobless are both in and out of the workforce and unemployment rate is a percentage of the workforce.

      Btw, our unemployment rate is at a 13 year high.

    • bad12 2.3

      Oh sure, lets all pretend that the unemployed are nothing but a %, everyone of them the lines on a graph, the % that makes up the numbers are our fellow Kiwi’s, their hopes and dreams either put on hold or completely trashed by the word ‘unemployed’,

      What are the scum that make up the Slippery lead National Government going to do about a local economy that has been stagnating for 5 years now,

      The answer,as usual, is to provide empty rhetoric by the bucket and punishment for the growing queue of those made unemployed through no fault of their own who have so far refused to decamp for Australia…

      • McFlock 2.3.1

        you missed the final bit of the answer: “… while Cabinet and their mates continue to get richer and richer and richer”.

    • @ Sweetd: The contrary argument is that as the population grows there is more economic activity (consumption, etc) and more work around. That doesn’t seem to be the case.

      But if it’s percentages you want; http://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/new-zealand-unemployment-rate.png?w=595&h=341

  3. Sanctuary 3

    “…ANZ economist Mark Smith said the outlook implied by the QSBO was for a moderate recovery, with a housing-induced pick-up underpinning sentiment in Auckland and the services sector…”

    In other words, we are not seeing a real economic recovery driven by real prosperity, with rising wages and salaries and real productive output. We are simply seeing another middle class housing bubble forming to distort the economy.

    • Saarbo 3.1

      “We are simply seeing another middle class housing bubble forming to distort the economy.”

      Exactly (in Auckland and Canterbury), this is clearly one of the most hopeless governments New Zealand has had for a very long time. I hope economists have factored in how much money will be extracted out of the economy from people buying shares in our electricity companies later in the year.

      This low achieving government are going to have to provide some stimulus into the economy soon. Apparently they are going to announce something soon, so we will see.

      But this is why so many people are desperately wanting Labour to get things in order. Many who have voted National in the last 2 elections are looking for an alternative…come on Labour, show some Leadership, call an membership Leader election in Feb so that we can tidy things up.

      • Fortran 3.1.1

        Are you sure that Labour will have understandable policy to make the ex Nats go to Labour ?

  4. Afewknowthetruth 4

    It’s all Orwellian (war is peace, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery etc.)

    Extraction of conventional oil peaked over 2005-2008) as is in severe decline throughout most of the world. The global economic system is being temporarily propped up by unconventional oil (tar sands, deep water, fracking etc.), but such source have low EROEI and are even more environmentally destructive than conventional oil. Demand destruction in Europe, Japan, the US etc. is also helping keep up the façade of normality in NZ.

    The fun will really start when the bond market goes kaput -which most commentators expect to happen later this year or in 2014.

    Of course, the severe climate change which the US and Australia (amongst others) are experiencing could bring the system down prematurely.

    In the meantime the politicians and the economists will ALL keep lying. After all, that’s what they are paid to do, isn’t it?

    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 4.1

      expect to happen later this year or in 2014.

      Afewknowthetruth, you have been confidently predicting 2013 as the end of everything. This talk of 2014 is disconcerting. My underground bunker is already full of the canned goods, bottled water, and homemade dishwasher soap .

      • bad12 4.1.1

        That’s luxury, have you really got a dishwasher in the bunker…

      • Afewknowthetruth 4.1.2

        No, I have not. I have suggested that by 2020 most things people in western societies take for granted will be unavailable, and that by the end if 2015 the globalised economic system will be in turmoil.

        The fact is, nobody knows for certain because many of the factors have an exponential nature and most are interconnected.

        It’s all very simple really. Those who prepare start to make immediate gains -in finances, in health, in knowledge etc. Those who refuse to accept reality and refuse to make any preparations continue to make losses, and continue to be physically and mentally ill.. And sentence themselves to unnecessary hardship when it all does collapse.

        The saddest aspect is that the longer present economic arrangement persist the less chance the next generation has of surviving at all.

        Of course, if you live in Greece or Spain (or numerous other countries) it is effectively already over, i.e. collapse did occur in 2012.

        • Tiresias 4.1.2.1

          “I have suggested that by 2020 most things people in western societies take for granted will be unavailable, and that by the end if 2015 the globalised economic system will be in turmoil.”

          Read that on a Mayan Calendar, did you?

    • Lanthanide 4.2

      “The fun will really start when the bond market goes kaput -which most commentators expect to happen later this year or in 2014.”

      October 2013, amirite?

  5. King Kong 5

    Lets hope the economists are wrong and there is not a recovery. It would be an absolute disaster if things got better for New Zealanders before the next election.

    Selfish and spitefull little people.

    • Zetetic 5.1

      Are you refering to the 300000 jobless kiwis?

      • King Kong 5.1.1

        How could you possibly think that?

        If I was referring to them I would have used the phrase “lazy losers”.

        • bad12 5.1.1.1

          Brainless idiot, the only ‘lazy loser’ round here is you, hopefully not for much longer…

        • felixviper 5.1.1.2

          Ah yes, those 300,000 losers who had jobs until 4 years ago but then suddenly all became too lazy to work.

        • Dr Terry 5.1.1.3

          KK – and you have a “lazy brain” (if you have one at all). Naturally, you have never understood the meaning of concepts like “compassion”. Key should recruit you straight into his cabinet (this is not intended as a compliment, for you would be likely to take it as one).

        • Frank Macskasy 5.1.1.4

          @ King Kong: “If I was referring to them I would have used the phrase “lazy losers”.”

          And, that, Mr Kong, is why it’s so hard to take right wingers like you seriously. Disparaging the victims of the 2007/08 GFC whilst using the same GFC as an excuse why our economy is in the doldrums shows the real laziness here; intellectual laziness.

          • Copperhead 5.1.1.4.1

            +1 That’s a tops way of defining it, going on the list of things to throw at the neanderthal tories, ta

    • scotty 5.2

      “Lets hope the economists are wrong and there’s no recovery, It would be an absolute disaster if things got better for New Zealanders before the next election.”
      Selfish and spitefull little people.

      King kong feigns offence, at self generated comment, then consoles himself with the same ,imaginary strawman.

    • Afewknowthetruth 5.3

      You don’t need to ‘hope’ that economists are wrong: they always are. Indeed, the entire foundation of modern economics is wrong, which is why everything that matters will definitely get worse. (

      • Populuxe1 5.3.1

        Doom! DOOOOOM!!! The end is NIGH!!!!!

        • vto 5.3.1.1

          Well yes it probably is. History shows that there have been many many Ends already, followed by starts from pretty much scratch. Did you know that this is the case? Or are you one of these people who seem to think that mankind has been on a steady and constant increase since first walking on two legs?

      • Tiresias 5.3.2

        “Indeed, the entire foundation of modern economics is wrong, which is why everything that matters will definitely get worse.”

        Certainly Economics still falls short of being able to claim to be a science. But then, science is a search for truth by verification. What ‘Truth’ could Economics claim to be in search of? A perfect society, made and sustained by the application of economics?

        However Economics is still more worthy of consderation than is crystal-ball gazing in order to make definite statements about the future.

        • Draco T Bastard 5.3.2.1

          Prior to about a century or so back economics was part of philosophy. IMO, it should be back there because by stopping asking the question of what should be economists have lost the plot and this has resulted in economics becoming nothing more than a justification of capitalism.

        • KJT 5.3.2.2

          Not when it’s accuracy is like a stopped clock. Correct twice a day.

          Where is the better future the neo-liberals promised in the 80’s. After three decades of their prescription all the countries who tried it are not only worse off, they are even worse of by their own measurements, such as GDP

          If we start reading economists like Kean, Keynes and others who based their hypothesis on what was happening around them in the real world, and not the Austrians, who base it on the world as they like it to be, or Freidman (and the Chicago school. Responsible for more poverty than a whole club of dictators), who used economics to justify dictatorship, plutocracy, greed and antisocial meanness, we may have a chance..

          Crystal ball gazing has the advantage of being right, some of the time.

  6. Wayne (a different one) 6

    While members of the Labour Party are wringing their hands in despair at the number of people moving across the ditch to Australia (and of course this phenomina never occured under a Labour Govt), the leader Mr. Shearer had earnest talks with visting UK politician Mr. Haigue yesterday over the possibility of relaxing entry for young New Zealanders, so they can gain easier access to Britain for work.

    Am I missing something here?

    In terms of unemployment, we have something like 6% registered as unemployed in Christchurch, yet employers are bemoaning the fact they can’t get any interest from the local market, again am I missing something here as well?

    Or are these 6% or so the “poor” of our society, that through no fault of their own can’t be bothered getting off their arses or out of bed to get a job and, therefore require our taxpayer funded welfare to keep them in the lifestyle they have become accustomed?

    It’s about self motivation/pride – but of course Labour will always find an excuse for these people and, will happily fund there lifestyles from “craddle to grave.” So don’t bleet on this website about the unemployment numbers.

    • vto 6.1

      Yes you are most definitely missing something. Employers should rely on the free market model to which most subscribe and offer more money. Supply and demand and all that. Or is the free market supposed to be suspended when it comes to business and employers?

    • One Tāne Huna 6.2

      “Am I missing something here?”

      Why, yes you are. Several things actually. Facts, sense and understanding.

      Just one minor detail to demonstrate how full of shit you are: the historically low unemployment rate in 2007 after nine years of a broad left government.

      Why is it that wingnuts always fail the reality check?

      I’m picking low intelligence.

      • Draco T Bastard 6.2.1

        Why is it that wingnuts always fail the reality check?

        Because reality always contradicts what they believe to be true.

    • bad12 6.3

      Yes of course you are missing something ‘here’, Brains for starters, i mean the brains to at least prove your pathetic assertion and the brains to be able to grasp a small truism of market Labour in that those with the relevant skills get employed first in a ‘labour market’,

      Which they have been in the Christchurch rebuild leaving behind what that ‘labour market’ for whatever reason, be that the individual’s skill set, the ‘look’ of the indivdual, the market doesn’t want to employ,

      Perhaps tho you think that the 50 something woman recently made redundant from a University catering job should apply for positions with demolition and construction firms currently engaged in the rebuild, the fact that someone like i highlight above would not be hired by an employer to do such work doesn’t seem to register in what passes for your brain…

    • @ Wayne (a different one);

      I think you’re ignoring a major point top do with trans-tasman migration.

      This was one of John Key’s major election platforms in 2008. Since then, according to numbers, migration has INCREASED in the last four years. So much for Key’s famous election hoarding; http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/johnnys-report-card-national-standards-assessment-ye-2012-migration/

      What you are doing is attempting to shift responsibility to a party (Labour) that hasn’t been in power for FOUR years.

      At what point, Wayne, does your party (National/ACT) start taking responsibility for it’s own policies and actions?

      At what point do you accept that National has to take responsibility and not constantly blame others? Especially when the numbers point to a WORSENING situation and not improvement?

      “It’s about self motivation/pride” you say… well, where is the improving economic situation from National’s policies to increasing “self motivation/pride”? Answer; there ain’t any. In fact, if anything, the increasing numbers show the clear opposite.

      And you can also ask the redundant workers from these companies where their “self motivation/pride” is;

      ANZ; 1,000 redundancies
      Yellow Pages; 125 redundancies
      Wire by Design, 55 redundancies
      Hakes Marine; 15 redundancies
      Telecom; 400 redundancies
      Brightwater Engineering; 40 redundancies
      Pernod Ricard New Zealand; 13 redundancies
      Depart of Corrections; 130 redundancies
      Summit Wool Spinners; 80 redundancies
      Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade; 80 redundancies
      Cavalier/Norman Ellison Carpets; 70 redundancies
      IRD; 51 redundancies
      Flotech; 70 redundancies
      NZ Police; 125 redundancies
      CRI Plant and Food; 25 redundancies
      Te Papa; 16 redundancies (?)
      PrimePort Timaru; 30 redundancies
      Kiwirail; 158 redundancies
      Fisher & Paykel; 29 redundancies
      Goulds Fine Foods; 60 redundancies
      Canterbury University; 150 redundancies (over three years)
      Solid Energy; 363 redundancies 460 redundancies
      Tiwai Pt aluminium smelter; 100 redundancies
      Axiam Metals; 44 redundancies
      Norske Skog; 120 redundancies
      Goodman Fielder; redundancy numbers t.b.a.
      Dunedin City Council/Delta: 30 redundancies
      Blue Sky Meats; 100 redundancies
      Kaipara Ltd/Stockton Alliance; 63 redundancies
      Wainuiomata New World; 44 redundancies
      Nuplex; 64 redundancies
      Newmont Waihi Gold; 20 redundancies
      Ministry of Justice; 70-200 redundancies
      Salisbury School in Nelson and McKenzie Residential School in Christchurch; 90 redundancies
      Rakon; 60 redundancies
      Dynamic Solutions; 40-60 redundancies
      Thorn Lighting; 8 redundancies
      Eastern Institute of Technology; 12 redundancies (?)
      UCOL; 30 – 50 redundancies
      Kiwirail Hillside Workshops; 90 redundancies
      SCA Hygiene Australasia; 140 redundancies
      Carter Holt Harvey; 70 redundancies

      “Or are these 6% or so the “poor” of our society, that through no fault of their own can’t be bothered getting off their arses or out of bed to get a job and, therefore require our taxpayer funded welfare to keep them in the lifestyle they have become accustomed? ”

      “The lifestyle they have become accustomed “?! Pray tell, do you even KNOW what a single unemployed person, over 25, is alloted on the unemployment benefit? I bet you haven’t a clue.

      And did you know that the numbers on unemployment and sole-parent benefits were DECLINING up until 2008? That those on the dole have DOUBLED since then?

      Perhaps the GFC (Global Financial Crisis) had something to do with that? You think?

      Or did all the redundancies above choose to become redundant so they could receive $204.96 a week (net) on the dole?

      • Georgecom 6.4.1

        Thats a nasty thing to demand Frank, asking the Nat/ACT government (and by association Wayne) to take responsibility for its actions.

        • Frank Macskasy 6.4.1.1

          I can appreciate that, Georgecom… Expecting the Right to abide by the same rules they lay down for the rest of us… Well, that’s just downright outrageous, I guess. :-)

          I’m waiting for the day they’ll start blaming high unemployment and depressed economy on sunspots.

    • Georgecom 6.5

      No Wayne, it’s not about self pride and motivation. It’s about a lack of jobs around for every person who wants to work.

      Why not do a favour for all of those who claim unemployment is about “motivation” and ‘laziness’

      put an exact figure on the number of unemployed who are out of work simply because they are lazy or not motivated.

      How many of the unemployed are out of work due to laziness or lack of motivation?

      State figure here _______

      Thanks

    • Murray Olsen 6.6

      You’re missing the difference between a year or so of OE and moving permanently to Australia. I’m not surprised, because when the same stuff was cut and pasted by a greasy slob pretending to be a blogger, his audience missed it too. I’m sure you’ll get points for trying though. Just like NAct ministers, you don’t actually have to succeed to be rewarded.

    • tracey 6.7

      yes, you are missing something, National identified it as an enormous problem in 2008 and devoted a lot of campaign words and policy to it, until elected. I dont agree with Labour also suggesting it’s a major problem other than in highlighting the duplicity of National and that it cant be trusted.

      You sir, manage to regurgitate misguided memes as though they are fact. You probably believe that benefit fraud is rampant and conveniently forget it was Labour in 2007 who completed a widespread investigation into welfare fraud and found it barely touches the sides of the fraud being committed by top businesses

  7. Pascal's bookie 7

    …the historically low unemployment rate in 2007 after nine years of a broad left government…just goes to show how spiteful these pricks are OTH.

    Making right wing policy look bad is the only thing that motivates them to get their lazy arses out of bed when the left is in power. Then they don’t vote, and quit their jobs to live the life of Riley when the poor bloody Nats come in. It’s a bloody plot mate. Alinsky stuff. The wankers.

  8. Wayne (a different one) 8

    OTH you are what I call a “tragic” – that is a “total retard and gullible in consequence”.

    Do you really for one minute believe the last Labour Govt had any positive input into creating that employment level? That from a Govt who openly admitted they had not one person in their caucus that had any business accumen. Come on man, get a grip and give yourself a good stiff uppercut.

    They governed this country through a worldwide economic boom and, that created thousands of new jobs, but these were not of their making – it was a consequence and to their good fortune.

    But lets look at what the last Labour Govt did in terms of unemployment. Well for a start they increased the size of the public sector by in excess of 100% – what that delivered apart from increased bureaucracy, I’m not sure.

    They shifted tens of thousands off the unemployed benefit onto the sickness benefit – so as to fudge the statistics.

    They propped up failing/uneconomic SOE’s and other businesses with the use of tax payer money, again to keep the unemployment stats looking good. Many of these business have since failed or gone into receivership – so that was an excellent strategy and a value for money exercise on their part.

    And it goes on!!!!

    • vto 8.1

      Well you know Mr Wayne, I have been positively bemused over the break as to how a country as wealthy as ours fails to adequately house and feed all of its people and fails to keep them all occupied. And especially bemused that such a country has people who cannot afford to see the doctor whenever they need to.

      It is an indictment on the structure of our society. It is so far out of whack it is frankly obscene. And people who support this current structure are imo complete and utter selfish greedy arseholes who I would rather took themselves elsewhere.

    • bad12 8.2

      Aha, and on the reverse of all that National has trashed what you bleat about above creating a huge pool of unemployed you accuse of being too lazy to get out of bed,

      Your density, the thickness of your argument grows ever wider, you cannot have it both ways, the economic Ism dictates that the ‘free market’ when left to it’s own devices will employ between 98 and 94% of the available workforce at any given time depending upon economic conditions,

      There’s no ifs or buts there you f**king retard it’s a fact of the market all over the world, the fact that you continue to whine about the individual and not the Ism just shows us all that you have not really got a f**king clue…

    • One Tāne Huna 8.3

      Wayne, I see you can’t stay on topic. You were abusing your fellow citizens who, according to your gutless gutter-level smear, “can’t be bothered getting off their arses or out of bed”.

      The 2007 employment level demonstrates that your gutter-level smear is bullshit.

      You make several other allegations while offering no supporting evidence, and I think you are either lying deliberately, from the gutter, or you are an ignorant dupe who parrots other people’s lies.

      Put up or shut up.

      • McFlock 8.3.1

        I love the way Labour always seems to have such luck at reducing unemployment.

        In politicians, as well as generalship, luck is important, too.

    • lprent 8.4

      That from a Govt who openly admitted they had not one person in their caucus that had any business accumen.

      Always nice to see someone being a complete fool and making idiotic unsubstantiated assertions.

      Why do you think that business acumen is useful for either the process of government or for that matter even spelling correctly (something that you clearly fail at)?

      Despite having worked in private industry during my entire working life in various roles ranging from factory manager to computer programmer, having helped to set up several successful businesses, and having a MBA and a family background in management – I wouldn’t make such a bold claim. Certainly the evidence doesn’t support you. Just looking at NZ politics, I’d have to say that business people elected to political roles usually make at best barely adequate to the most useless politicians when viewed from a perspective of 20-20 hindsight.

      Of course that could be other way around as well – only the most useless business people become politicians. Otherwise why would they want the role? Steven Joyce comes to mind.

      However your statement is somewhat incorrect anyway unless you have a very narrow view of what constitutes business acumen. Just offhand and without even bothering to think about it; David Cunliffe worked for the BCG as a business consultant and David Parker had a background both in law and as businessman running his own company. Both were in the last Labour government.

      But I guess you are too stupid to do the basic task of looking up wikipedia before you started stroking the object that you call a “brain” (more commonly known as a penis). The words “pathetic wanker” come to mind whilst reading your comments.

    • “But lets look at what the last Labour Govt did in terms of unemployment. Well for a start they increased the size of the public sector by in excess of 100% – ”

      That is rubbish.

      Can you provide back-up information for that nonsensical BS?

    • “Do you really for one minute believe the last Labour Govt had any positive input into creating that employment level? That from a Govt who openly admitted they had not one person in their caucus that had any business accumen.”

      Funny – the Nats pride themselves on having quite a few MPs with business “acumen”.

      And yet our economy is still stagnating; unemployment increasing; export sector impacted by a high dollar; migration to Australia is up; etc, etc.

      Heck, National’s only plans for economic growth seem predicated on more pokie machines and selling state assets. That’s the sum total of their plans for growth.

      Even the business community is getting pissed off at the Nat’s lack of serious economic growth,

      “Businesses have echoed Labour’s criticism that the Government lacks a blueprint to develop the economy.

      Party leaders and their finance spokesmen yesterday fronted up to lobby group Business NZ’s election conference to outline their economic vision.

      Business NZ also released the results of its election survey of more than 1300 small to large businesses. While almost all believed it was important for the government to have a co-ordinated plan of action that raised economic performance, little more than a third thought John Key’s Government had one.”

      Source: Business NZ sees no economic plan

      When even the business community is getting frustrated at National’s inept performance then you know we have a problem. (Unless you’re a sanctimonious, blame-gaming National supporter, in which case New Zealand is doing really hunky dory.)

      So much for National’s “business acumen”.

    • tracey 8.7

      Hat Tip to BLiP

      a TRIBUTE T THE INTEGRITY OF THE NON SOCIALIST GOVT.

      ” – I didn’t know about The Bretheren election tactics

      – I’m Jewish/Christian/Agnostic

      – “If they came to us now with that proposal [re trans-Tasman Therapeutic Goods regime], we will sign it.”

      – 1981

      – Tranzrail shares

      – Lord Ashcroft

      – National Ltd™ would have sent troops into Iraq

      – Standard & Poors credit downgrade

      – “I didn’t say I want wages to drop”

      – the real figure of inflation is 3.3 percent.

      – the tourism sector has not lost 7,000 jobs

      – “I won’t raise GST:

      – the purchase of farmland, by overseas buyers will be restricted to ten farms per purchase

      – Capping, not cutting the public service,

      – “North of $50 a week”

      – Privatisation won’t significantly help the economy

      – Wave goodbye to higher taxes, not your loved ones

      – “I never offered Brash a diplomatic job in London”

      – Kiwisaver

      – National Ltd™ is not going to radically reorganise the structure of the public sector

      – Tax cuts won’t require additional borrowing

      – “Our amendments to the ETS ensure we will continue to do our fair share internationally”

      – We are committed to honouring our Kyoto Protocol obligations

      – “we [NZ} have grown for eight of the last nine quarters”

      – National Ltd™ will tender out the government banking contract

      – “…we will be back in surplus by 2014-15…”

      – “…unemployment is starting to fall…”

      – “…we have created 45,000 jobs…”

      – “…we are likely to create 170,000 jobs in the next 4 years…”

      – I don’t know if I own a vineyard

      – The Isreali spy killed in the Christchurch quake had “only one” passport

      – The Police will not need to make savings by losing jobs

      – GCSB x 3 (that we know about)

      – “I voted to keep the drinking age at 20″

      – New Zealand is 100% Pure

      – “I’ve been prime minister for four years, and it’s really 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year”

      – Baseball in New Zealand is attracting more government support

      – the public demanded that we change the labour laws for The Hobbit

      – we have delivered 1000 extra doctors in the public service

      – “The Hobbit” created 3000 new jobs

      • BLiP 8.7.1

        .

        But wait . . . there’s more:

        – we have delivered 1000 extra doctors in the public service

        – I wasn’t working at Elders when the sham foreign exchange deals took place

        – I was starting School Certificate exams in 1978

  9. Wayne (a different one) 9

    Thanks guys, appreciate your learned comments.

    We will await the Socialist model that will inevitably follow a change of Govt – if it ever happens.

    A model that has served the economies and people of Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and France so very well – bring it on I just can’t wait for the bloody shambles that will unfold.

    Then it will take a National Govt to once again pick up the pieces of a shattered economy and, apply band aids everywhere to fix it up!

    Remember the last Labour Govt left office with not a cent in reserves, after having unprecedent reserves, following their tenure through an economic world-wide boom period – blew the lot on socialist agendas that delivered nothing, i.e. Kiwi rail $600 odd million – when it was worth almost nothing, great.

    Some people are just so indoctrinated with the socialist mindset, it’s unbelievable.

    It’s never delivered a bloody successful economy yet.

    It seems to suit people who can’t think or fend for themselves – Nanny State knows best and will look after me.

    Sad guys – does the above description fit you well, because me thinks it does.

    • One Tāne Huna 9.1

      Polly wanna cracker?

      Edit: translation for poor Wayne’s benefit: “even your delusional bile is copied from someone else.”

    • bad12 9.2

      Some people like yourself are just brainless fuckwits unable to provide proof for their village idiot assertions who simply carry on the snivel about the fact that the Ism they support with mindless consistency has never embraced anything but the victim culture of blaming the unemployed for the Ism’s failure to provide anywhere near full employment in the economy…

    • fatty 9.3

      We will await the Socialist model that will inevitably follow a change of Govt – if it ever happens.
      Some people are just so indoctrinated with the socialist mindset, it’s unbelievable.

      Try wiki for a definition of socialism Wayne…your stupidity is amusing.

      Labour and National are both capitalists, they are third way capitalists who both believe in limited welfare, a neoliberal based form of biculturalism, a market dominated economy, and individualism. Neither Labour or National are close to being socialist, they are basically the same and only differ on tax/redistribution by a few percentage points.

      Try not to be a moron on TS Wayne…this ain’t kiwiblog, thinking is encouraged here

    • vto 9.4

      Wayne, here is how to make a point.

      1. State something.
      2. Explain why it is so, in your opinion.
      3. Back it up with evidence and examples.

      Otherwise it’s just boring and useless.

    • Foreign Waka 9.5

      I just can’t let this go unchallenged…… moneys went to the Kiwi Super fund contribution for a starter and did NZ big favors – still is. Otherwise this Government would not be able to borrow any money at all. Social Spending such as support for families etc was another “expense” that was on the books under labour.
      And by the way… all the collected money via tax is the public’s and not the governments. Lets be clear about that.
      The people agree to pay tax to further society as a whole and not corporate profits.And this is the main difference between Labour and National – one distributes taxes back into society and the other into the back pockets of the few (more or less). History tells us that we have been around this block a number of times. The saving grace was the availability of resources in the game of ups and down’s. However, this time its a bit different because all natural resources a finite and this becomes obvious with every day. So the hysterical hunt and invention of all sorts of make belief “business” has been introduced into the market to have the money train roling (carbon credits, money printing, IT bubble, housing bubble, fracking etc).
      We all have to change our thinking and this will be the most difficult part. Whether this can be achieved peacefully? I am rather pessimistic.

    • vto 9.6

      Hey Wayne, perhaps you could at least try and answer some of the points people are making to you… yes? Or no?

      Well, I have a question for you and I am sure you will have a quick and simple answer…. why do we have unemployment?

    • “It’s never delivered a bloody successful economy yet. ”

      You mean aside from the Scandinavian nations who enjoy a higher standard of loiving than us? With lower child-poverty diseases? A higher GDP?

      As opposed to the capiltalist model which, in 2007/08 brought the international economy to it’s knees, requiring billions in bailouts?

      Or was that all a figment of my imagination? Or occurred on a Parallel Universe Earth?

    • “Remember the last Labour Govt left office with not a cent in reserves, after having unprecedent reserves, following their tenure through an economic world-wide boom period – blew the lot on socialist agendas that delivered nothing, i.e. Kiwi rail $600 odd million – when it was worth almost nothing, great.”

      Where on Earth do you get your BS from?

      Are you totally unaware of the surpluses that Labour ran SURPLUSES in successive budgets, as well as paying down government debt?! Or do you simply choose to ignore reality in favour of your own skewed version of reality?

      Here, look at Treasury’s data on net government debt: http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/befu2012/015.htm/befu12-35.gif

      Notice how it was paid down on Labour’s watch? Kinda demolishes your argument, doesn’t it?

      • Herodotus 9.8.1

        Frank your data link does not support your claim of “Notice how it was paid down on Labour’s watch? Kinda demolishes your argument, doesn’t it?”. Given your history And background I will take it that this is just a minor blemish. Have a nice day ;-)

        • Frank Macskasy 9.8.1.1

          ?!?!

          The link was to a Treasury graph showing net government debt being paid down, and then from 2008 rising.

          It’s a simple picture for those who require simple illustrations.

          I’m not sure what more I can offer. Something in crayon perhaps, Herodotus? ;-)

          • Herodotus 9.8.1.1.1

            If you want to commence some nastyness when you are called out fine but at least support your claims. Your link does NOT support the comment of paying down debt. A table or graph that displays value of debt being paid or gross debt reducing would.But this does not. Please put up before you turning to derogatory terms, unless you are unable and are using diversionary tactics. ;-)

    • xtasy 9.9

      Wayne –

      Greece, run by the right for a few terms, running up dept and deficits (while pampering their supporters and clientele), which the Socialists then had to face and start cleaning up again;
      Italy run by Berlusconi and his right wing support parties for many years, also keeping up debt by giving tax cuts for his supporters, leaving a mess behind that a coalition government without him, led by a pragmatist was left to try and fix again;
      Spain – having being governed by a conservative government, admittedly following a previous “social democratic” one, suffered a crisis largely because of the consequence of the GFC, and overexposure to real estate investments, leading to a sudden stop, bad debts, high leverage and solutions that required bailing out banks;
      Portugal – having been governed by more right of centre and left of centre governments in various terms, so you can hardly blame all their problems on “socialist” governments;
      France – as far as I can recollect, having been governed for a long time by Sarcozy and conservative governments, only just end of last year being taken over by Hollande and a more left leaning president and government now; a country suffering problems, but hardly a basked case.

      So where have you been, and what do you mean with a “socialist model” being to blame for the economic problems of the countries you listed.

      And Labour left the books in rather sound condition, which even Bill English initially accepted and stated.

      You are as “informed” and “expert” in economics as a donkey is as a dentist or surgeon.

      I am sorry, but what you present is anything but convincing, you have no clue of global economics as they are and have been, and need to dome some healthy reading of international media reports of value, before you can come and present us such rubbish here.

  10. AmaKiwi 10

    On Jan 14th Bill ran a thread entitled “Welcome to Burdigalian” concluding with “Anybody attempting to run an AGW (anti global warming) denialist arguments will be banned. Them’s the rules. You don’t have to like them. You’ve been warned.”

    I wish the same had been said for this thread. “Anybody attempting to run arguments that neo-liberalism is a roaring success and people are poor because they deserve to be poor will be banned. Them’s the rules. You don’t have to like them. You’ve been warned.”

    At the moment I do not find the words to express how strongly I feel about the economic and social fiasco we are spiraling into. These are gravely serious issues. At times I gain valuable information and perspectives from people on The Standard. But these halfwit right wing denialists with their unsubstantiated b.s. are a huge waste of my time. They divert the thread from questions of enormous import to me and the country’s future.

    • Tiresias 10.1

      I wish the same had been said for this thread. “Anybody attempting to run arguments that neo-liberalism is a roaring success and people are poor because they deserve to be poor will be banned. Them’s the rules. You don’t have to like them. You’ve been warned.”

      Can’t agree. If you aren’t prepared to listen to ARGUMENTS theat neo-liberalism &tc. you’re just another closed-minded bigot. However simple STATEMENTS that neo-liberalism &tc. are a waste of everyone’s time and should be moderated out, as should any simple STATEMENTS that are merely a personal opinion presented as indisputable fact.

      What should be deleted instantly and lead to banning is personal abuse and denegration of other writers and the gutter-mouthing of third-parties as it is unnecessary, shows up the writer to be small-minded and inarticulate and turns what could and should be an interesting, informative and even possibly educational exchange of views and ideas into a tedious, quickly-skipped wade through sewage, as is much of the above.

      Frankly, visiting The Standard sometimes these days is like having to visit a public lavatory to find that the last person to use the cubicle couldn’t be bothered to flush.

      • AmaKiwi 10.1.1

        @ Tiresias

        I understand your points and wholeheartedly agree about the personal abuse.

        I read a lot of history and economic history. For me, personally, it is crystal clear that we are spiraling downward. Other generations have been here. Some coped in humane ways. Others declined into despotism. How they coped and how we will cope is my critical issue.

        Maybe I am ahead of some people because I can’t be bothered listening to people who are in denial about the seriousness of our predicament and the magnitude of the challenges we face.

        • kiwicommie 10.1.1.1

          I just look at the real economic data i.e. when you don’t heavily ‘tighten belts’ and instead introduce stimilus and introduce new banking regulations you get economic recovery and surpluses. The UK, Greece, NZ and parts of the US that followed a neo liberal approach have high unemployment, low growth and massive deficits. Decent minded economists like Kroghman (sp) who have telling everyone neo liberalism will fail have been proven right, just like in the 1920s-1940s. Austerity never works in a global recession/deppression or really hard economic times, Keynesian economics is bringing neo liberalism to its knees.

          • Colonial Viper 10.1.1.1.1

            However, energy and resource depletion is bringing Keynesian economics to its knees. The Keynesian formula for getting out of recession is to boost incomes in order to boost spending, in order to boost consumption (aggregate demand), in order to boost economic activity and therefore promote growth.

            But not only does this get harder to do financially as the price of resources and energy climbs, but speeding up the consumption of these things brings us to the depletion cliff faster.

          • Draco T Bastard 10.1.1.1.2

            No, it’s neo-liberalism that is bringing capitalism to its knees. Thing is, Keynesianism doesn’t work either. In fact, it’s just a way to prop up capitalism and that doesn’t work as we found out in the 1970s which is why we went back to liberalism – the ism that failed badly in the 19th century.

            The problem is capitalism and it is that that we have to address.

        • tracey 10.1.1.2

          As long as those in power deliberately avert their eyes from the countries which have achieved some “success” because it doesn’t fit their ideology are not doing their job. Successive government’s do it while telling us, and themselves, they are doing it for the best of the country.

          For a party that abhorred nanny state they sure do seem to be doing alot of parenting.

      • tracey 10.1.2

        I agree that the name-calling, overt and more “intellectually” couched (for want of another expression, is frustrating. However The Standard doesn’t have it on its own, and I struggle to understand why people who feel so strongly about things can’t get by without so resorting.

  11. xtasy 11

    Hey, bud, gotta job for ya.

    Me shoes need polishin and me arse wiped.

    Gotta solution, will pay ya.

    Good on ya. Key is our hero. He also loves clean arse wipes, just like me.

    Thank you, we are winners now.

    “Middle and uppedy NZ”

  12. Japan just passed a big stimilus package, to create 600k jobs, support businesses and build infrastructure.

    National still leaves everything ‘to the market’, despite the fact that there is rising unemployment, a growing trade deficit, a weak tourism sector; and a housing bubble that if it burst, would ruin National’s election hopes.

    PS: California has a 800m surplus, whereas conservative Texas has a 27b deficit. Clearly the left and not the neo liberal right know how to run an economy. National like other neo liberal parties will soon be in the dustbin of history. :p

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      Japan just passed a big stimilus package, to create 600k jobs, support businesses and build infrastructure.

      Japan is maybe 3-4 years from going broke.

      Their Government currently spends 25% of their tax revenue on servicing the interest on Bank of Japan debt.

      • vto 12.1.1

        “Government currently spends 25% of their tax revenue on servicing the interest on Bank of Japan debt.”

        And therein lies the exact problem of the world’s woes.

        The usurious financial system. History will prove this to be so.

        • Draco T Bastard 12.1.1.1

          History has already proven it so – about 5000 years ago is first recorded instance of it – and yet we keep going back to the same system that failed then.

          • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1.1

            Political leaders (and the people of whole nations) beholden to money lenders. President Andrew Jackson said as much in his farewell address.

            The paper system being founded on public confidence and having of itself no intrinsic value, it is liable to great and sudden fluctuations, thereby rendering property insecure and the wages of labor unsteady and uncertain. The corporations which create the paper money cannot be relied upon to keep the circulating medium uniform in amount.

            In times of prosperity, when confidence is high, they are tempted by the prospect of gain or by the influence of those who hope to profit by it to extend their issues of paper beyond the bounds of discretion and the reasonable demands of business; and when these issues have been pushed on from day to day, until public confidence is at length shaken, then a reaction takes place, and they immediately withdraw the credits they have given, suddenly curtail their issues, and produce an unexpected and ruinous contraction of the circulating medium, which is felt by the whole community.

            The banks by this means save themselves, and the mischievous consequences of their imprudence or cupidity are visited upon the public.

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    John Key’s offer to consult Opposition parties on whether to deploy New Zealand forces against ISIS looks increasingly like a PR exercise only, says Labour’s Defence spokesperson, Phil Goff. “The presence of New Zealand’s Chief of Defence Force at a...
    Labour | 15-10
  • National must end ideological opposition to raising income
    If John Key is serious about tackling child poverty he must approach it with an open mind, and overcome his ideological block to raising incomes as a solution, the Green Party said today.Papers released to Radio New Zealand today show...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Pentagon links climate change and terrorism
    Yesterday the Pentagon launched a plan to deal with a threat that “poses immediate risks to national security”; one that “will affect the Department of Defense’s ability to defend the nation”. It wasn’t referring to Ebola or ISIS. It was...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Four Nominees for Labour’s Leadership
    As at 5pm today four valid nominations had been received for the position of Labour Leader, as follows: Andrew Little(nominated by Poto Williams and Iain Lees-Galloway) Nanaia Mahuta(nominated by Louisa Wall and Su’a William Sio) David Parker(nominated by Damien O’Connor...
    Labour | 14-10
  • Green Party calls for consultation over terrorism law changes
    The Green Party has today written to the Prime Minister asking him to engage in wider consultation prior to changing any laws as a result of the recently announced terrorism law reviews, said the Green Party today. In a letter...
    Greens | 14-10
  • MPI must name product and supermarket chain
    The Ministry of Primary Industries must name the product responsible for severe gastroenteritis affecting people around the country, and the supermarket chain distributing it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “The Ministry seems to be more concerned about protecting...
    Labour | 13-10
  • John Key dishonest about reasons for wanting to change terrorism law
    John Key is misleading the public to push through terrorism law changes under urgency, the Green Party said today. On Sunday, John Key stated that it is not illegal for someone to fight overseas for a terrorist group, such as...
    Greens | 12-10
  • Law changes shaping up to be worse than first thought
    The Prime Minister needs to be up front about exactly what changes he is planning to make to the Employment Relations  Amendment Bill, Labour's spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.Interviewed on Q&A yesterday John Key said he did not...
    Labour | 12-10
  • Rapists, not Tinder, the threat to women
    Blame for rape and sexual assault should only ever be laid at the door of the perpetrator, not dating services or the actions of women themselves, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “Tinder is not the problem and women...
    Labour | 09-10
  • Safer Journeys For People Who Cycle
    You have a rare opportunity to tell the people who are making the decisions on cycling how to make it better. The Cycling Safety Panel is seeking feedback on their draft recommendations for improving the safety of cycling in New...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Subsidising more pollution will undermine water clean-up plan at Te Waihora...
    In 2010, NIWA found Canterbury’s Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere had the worst nutrient status of 140 lakes around New Zealand that it measured. In 2011, the National Government committed to spending $15 million across the country through the Fresh Start for...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Adding value not herbicides
    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA to fight mass privatisation of state housing
    Announcements over the past 12 hours from the Minister responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English, and Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, make clear the government’s intention for the mass privatisation of state housing. This comes during the middle...
    Mana | 07-10
  • Journalists have right to protect sources
    Legal authorities must respect the right of journalist Nicky Hager to protect the source of his material for his Dirty Politics book under Section 68 of the Evidence Act, Acting Labour Leader David Parker says. “It is crucial in an...
    Labour | 06-10
  • It shouldn’t take the Army to house the homeless
    National’s move to speed up its state house sell-off shows it is bankrupt of new ideas, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “National has been in office for six years, yet the housing crisis has got worse every month and...
    Labour | 06-10
  • Government must lift social housing supply, not shuffle the deck chairs
    National's decision to shift the state provision of housing to third parties is a smokescreen for the Government decreasing the provision of affordable housing, the Green Party said today."What National should be doing is increasing the supply of both social...
    Greens | 06-10
  • Election 2014 – the final count
    While we have to wait for the final booth level counts we can now see how well we did in the specials and look at electorate level data. First off special votes (and disallowed/recounted votes etc). There was a change...
    Greens | 06-10
  • We need more houses, not Ministers
    The Government’s decision to have three housing Ministers will create a dog’s breakfast of the portfolio and doesn’t bode well for fixing the country’s housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “New Zealanders need more houses, not more Ministers....
    Labour | 05-10
  • MANA’S CHALLENGE TO THE 51st PARLIAMENT
    Ten years ago I led 50,000 Maori on the historic FORESHORE AND SEABED MARCH from Te Rerenga Wairua to the very steps of this parliament, in a march against the greatest land grab in the history of this country –...
    Mana | 03-10
  • Is this really necessary?
    No one denies chief executives should be well paid for their skills and experience, but it is the efforts of all employees which contribute to company profits, Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker says. “Salaries paid to chief executives come at...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Lyttelton Port workers also deserve pay rises
    Hard slog by Lyttelton Port workers contributed to strong financial growth for the company and they deserve to be rewarded for their work as much as its chief executive, says Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker. “Lyttelton Port chief executive Peter...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Māori Party must seek guarantees on Māori seats
    Labour is calling on the Māori Party to ensure protection of the Māori seats is part of its coalition deal with National which is being considering this weekend, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “For the third consecutive term,...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Donaghys job losses another blow to Dunedin
    The loss of 30 jobs from Donaghys rope and twine factory is yet another blow to the people and economy of Dunedin, says Dunedin South Labour MP Clare Curran. “Donaghys was founded in 1876; the company has survived two world...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Dairy price fall shows urgent need to diversify
    The overnight drop in milk prices shows New Zealand’s overreliance on the dairy industry puts our economy in a vulnerable position, says Acting Labour Leader David Parker. “Dairy prices fell 7.3 per cent overnight and have almost halved since February....
    Labour | 02-10
  • Tasks aplenty for new Health Minister
    One of the first jobs for the new Minister of Health must be to provide an honest and transparent report into surgery waiting times and exactly how many Kiwis are not having their health needs met, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette...
    Labour | 02-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Labour and ‘special interests’
    The media narrative of Labour is that it is unpopular because it’s controlled by ‘special interests’. This ‘special interests’ garbage is code for gays, Maoris, wimin and unionists. We should show that argument the contempt it deserves. The next Labour...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Ru...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Tahi) . National’s housing development project: ‘Gateway’ to confusion . Perhaps nothing better illustrates National’s lack of a coherent housing programme than the ‘circus’ that is...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Here’s what WINZ are patronisingly saying to people on welfare when they ...
    Yesterday, a case manager from WINZ called to tell me that I needed to “imagine what I would do if I did not have welfare”. I replied “Well, I guess if I couldn’t live at home, I would be homeless.”...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • David Shearer’s ‘no feminist chicks’ mentality highlights all that is...
    Mr Nasty pays a visit Shearer’s extraordinary outburst last night on NZs favourite redneck TV, The Paul Henry Show, is a reminder of all that is wrong within the Labour Caucus right now… He said the current calls for a female or...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0
    Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – A Tale Of Two Cities
    Sunday was surreal. I went for a drive and ended up in a different country. It wasn’t intentional but those days of too many literally intertextual references seldom are. There is no doubt that the Sunday drive this week had...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Key raises terror threat level to justify war in Iraq and now the SIS need ...
    Have we learned nothing from rushing into war? It’s embarrassing Key has raised our terror threat from ‘very low’ to ‘low’ so he can justify military action in Iraq. Watching him pimp for an American war is as sick as...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Socialism? in France; Austerity in Europe
    On Sunday I stumbled upon this recent New York Times column The Fall of France by Paul Krugman. Then I caught BBC’s Newsnight interview with France’s ‘Socialist’ Prime Minister Manuel Valls. Krugman notes that the Socialists came to power on an anti-austerity mandate, but completely squandered their opportunity...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • So Snowden and Greenwald were right – again – NZ Embassies spying for A...
    Well, well, well. What do we have here… NZ embassies involved in covert intelligence work for US – reportsNew Zealand’s embassies have been involved in covert intelligence gathering work on behalf of the United States, a fresh batch of classified...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Why David Parker *isn’t* a credible choic...
    The one electoral contest this year that a Labour leader is sure to win heated up over the weekend with the late entry of Finance Spokesman (and interim caretaker leader) David Parker into Labour’s leadership race. I’d blogged late last...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Fran O’Sullivan’s extraordinary column
    Note how the carefully constructed flow chart above ignores the mainstream media’s complicity with Slater and Dirty Politics    I am no fan of Fran O’Sullivan’s politics and would argue long into the day against her on many of the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Final salute to Cunliffe
    Final salute to Cunliffe...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • David Cunliffe’s statement
    I am today announcing that I have decided not to nominate for the 2014 Labour Party leadership contest. It has been a hard decision to make but it is one that I believe is in the best interests of the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Cunliffe to quit leadership race – the losers are the Labour Party member...
    That’s all folks   And so ends the first ever Labour Party member/affiliates choice for leadership. David Cunliffe is standing down at 2pm and is supporting Andrew Little instead. What a perverse turn of events. Cunliffe was punished by an angry Labour leadership forced...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Want to see new Nu Zilind? Read the comments section of Andrea Vance’s co...
    Andrea Vance is no stooge. She is one of the few mainstream media voices who has challenged power and authority, her latest column on the outrageous attempts by Key to use fear mongering to  spook the sleepy hobbits into war...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Humanity calling Government – anyone with empathy home?
    On Friday night groups of Invercargill activists and plain ole people who care took part in the 14 Hours Homeless event – sleeping out in the balmy southern climate on cardboard and couches at our Salvation Army Citadel. It’s a...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Labour, leadership and White blokes
    David Shearer said on TV3’s The Nation this weekend that he appreciated the support Labour’s received from Maori and Pacific communities over the last few elections, but that it was important to again, secure the votes of ordinary white blokes...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Wrong priorities in media coverage of Ebola crisis
    The experts have told us that there is very little likelihood of a serious Ebola outbreak in any Western nation – unless the virus changes so that it can be spread through the air rather than just via bodily fluids....
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • John Key uses the same old warmongering recipe
    Less than three weeks after the election Prime Minister John Key wants New Zealand to join a war in the Middle East and extend the powers of our US-focused spy agencies the SIS (Security Intelligence Service) and the GCSB (Government...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
    “The fossil fuel industry is the biggest threat to our very existence as Pacific Islanders. We stand to lose our homes, our communities and our culture. But we are fighting back. This coming Friday thirty Pacific Climate Warriors, joined by...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
    Simple steps could dramatically reduce the number of accidents involving tourists, says the car review website dogandlemon.com ....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • RainbowYOUTH: 25 Years, 25 More
    In 1989, a group of young people in Auckland got together to form a support group for LGBTIQ youth. They called it Auckland Lesbian And Gay Youth (ALGY). After 25 years, several location changes, a name change, a brand reboot...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Outdated Oath shows need for Kiwi Head of State
    MPs are sworn in today and New Zealand Republic has written to MPs asking them to talk about why 121 New Zealanders elected by the people of New Zealand and standing in the New Zealand Parliament swear allegiance to another...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Council shouldn’t revenue grab from windfall valuations
    Auckland Council should state clearly they will not try and capture revenue as a result of the latest valuations and needs reminding that the City’s skyrocketing property values doesn’t change the level or cost of Council’s services, says...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • EPMU endorses Andrew Little for Labour leadership
    The National Executive of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union unanimously endorsed Andrew Little for the role of Labour leader, at a meeting held yesterday. “I have been speaking to our workplace delegates at forums across the country over...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • World Food Day promotes Agroecology not GE technology
    The UN has stated that agroecology is a major solution to feeding the world and caring for the earth....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Labour Names Review Team
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has appointed Bryan Gould as Convenor of its post-General Election Review. He will be joined on the Review Team by Hon Margaret Wilson, Stacey Morrison and Brian Corban....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Contenders for Labour leadership debate for first time
    The contenders for the leadership of the Labour Party debated for the first time on TV One’s Q+A programme today....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • UN Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme
    New Zealand's United Nations Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
    Lisa Owen interviews RSA President BJ Clark and tech innovator Ian Taylor about changing the NZ flag...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
    Lisa Owen interviews RSA President BJ Clark and tech innovator Ian Taylor about changing the NZ flag...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • Lisa Owen interviews Foreign Minister Murray McCully
    Murray McCully says New Zealanders can expect a 5-10 year engagement against Islamic State if we join military action in Iraq and the government will take that “very carefully into account”...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • Lisa Owen interviews Julia Gillard
    Julia Gillard says there is “sufficient evidence” to fight Islamic State and does not think it will increase the risk of a domestic attack...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • NZ businesses to make child abuse a priority conversation
    Many leading New Zealand businesses have partnered with national child advocacy organisation Child Matters to participate in the fourth annual ‘Buddy Day’ - New Zealand’s only child abuse prevention awareness day....
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • Tribunal decision significant for SMEs
    The Human Rights Review Tribunal decided this week in favour of an employee’s right not to work on Saturdays for religious reasons. The decision may still be appealed but the Director of the Office of Human Rights Proceedings, Robert Kee,...
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • On The Nation this weekend
    This weekend on The Nation… New Zealand has been elected to the United Nations Security Council, but what happens next? Lisa Owen interviews Foreign Minister Murray McCully from New York about our goals for reform, what America wants from us...
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • 1000+ supported by Te Arawa Whanau Ora
    Over 1000 individual whānau members are leading happier, healthier, more successful lives as a result of eight passionate and committed Māori organisations working at the coalface to help whānau find success....
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • Nomination for Board Members Now Open
    CRF’s objective is to create opportunities for people from refugee backgrounds to lead fulfilling lives and contribute to every area of New Zealand society. It is an organisation that undertakes advocacy work using the strengths-based approach,...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Anglican Family Care Otago staff to take industrial action
    Social workers, family workers and support staff working for Anglican Family Care in Dunedin and South Otago will take industrial action after their employer refused a pay increase that would keep up with the rising cost of living....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Use UN Security Council role to overcome inaction and injust
    Amnesty International welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the UN Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use the role to ensure the body lives up to its role of safeguarding global peace and security....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Grisham’s ‘child porn’ comments ignorant
    World-renowned author John Grisham has come under fire by advocacy group Stop Demand Foundation, for comments it says trivialises the global child sex abuse trade....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Latest leak of TPPA intellectual property text confirms risk
    On the eve of the latest (non)round of negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) yet another version of the intellectual property has found its way to Wikileaks ....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • New Zealand awarded UN Security Council seat
    International aid agency Oxfam New Zealand welcomes New Zealand’s election to the United Nations Security Council, saying it gives an extraordinary opportunity to make a lasting contribution to international peace and security and improve the lives...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • 40 more jobs lost to cheap imports
    40 more jobs lost to cheap imports Another New Zealand manufacturer is closing its doors, giving the lie to the idea that we have a “rock star” economy or any strategy for jobs growth. Wellpack is a paper bag manufacturer...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Pink Batts manufacturer to cut Christchurch jobs
    Pink Batts manufacturer to cut Christchurch jobs 29 roles are to be cut at the Christchurch manufacturing facility of Tasman Insulation, the company which manufacturers the iconic Pink Batts brand of products. The company is proposing to consolidate its...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Kellogg cereal donations help the Sallies feed those in need
    Kellogg New Zealand commits 64,000 serves of breakfast cereal during World Food Day Coinciding with World Food Day this year, Kellogg New Zealand and The Salvation Army are reaching out to less fortunate Kiwis with the donation of 64,000 serves...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • National Slips, Labour Hits Lows
    National fail to get post-election bounce but leaderless Labour Party crash to lowest ever support...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • NZ parents hope for more than just happy and healthy babies
    Auckland, 16 October 2014 – What do expectant mums and dads hope for their children? According to new research from Growing Up in New Zealand , a baby’s health and happiness may be high up on the list, but today’s...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • NZPI backs Minister’s affordable housing stance
    NZPI backs Minister’s affordable housing stance NZPI is supportive of Hon. Dr Nick Smith’s, efforts to use the RMA as a mechanism for taking the heat out of the housing affordability challenge in New Zealand. “As Minister for Environment...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Prime Minister’s OIA Admision Disturbing
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling for answers after it was revealed on Radio New Zealand’s Morning Report that the Prime Minister’s office routinely flouts its obligations under the Official Information Act. Taxpayers’ Union spokesman, Ben...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • NZDIA forum press release
    NZDIA forum press release Wellington - The New Zealand Defence Industry Association, with the support of the NZ Defence Force and the Ministry of Defence, will be holding a two-day international forum on October 21-22 at the Michael Fowler Centre...
    Scoop politics | 15-10
  • BPW NZ calls fashion industry to account
    The New Zealand Federation of Business and Professional Women (BPW NZ) joins the call for action on the use of skinny models and mannequins as it is directly affecting the self-esteem and health of many of our young people....
    Scoop politics | 15-10
  • Electoral Commission introduces Extra Touch for Blind NZers
    The Electoral Commission was presented with the Extra Touch Award by the Association of Blind Citizens of New Zealand (Blind Citizens NZ), in recognition of its successful implementation of Telephone Dictation Voting ahead of its commitment to do so by...
    Scoop politics | 15-10
  • Auckland move for KiwiRail health and safety team questioned
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 15-10
  • Redundancies a result of putting profit over good business
    Heinz Watties redundancies a result of putting profit over good business Heinz Watties workers are shocked by the announcement made late last night that up to 100 jobs are being cut from the company’s New Zealand operations. No information was...
    Scoop politics | 15-10
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