Vote for Change Incorporated

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1. ianupnorth 1

   28 June 2011 at 10:14 pm

   I have never been a member of anything that has a committee of two; at least I thought all incorporated societies required a secretary, a chair and a treasurer. Very suspect.

   The officers usually consist of a Chairperson, a Secretary and a Treasurer.

   The Chairperson convenes meetings of the society and ensures that the rules are followed.

   The key role of the Secretary is to keep a register of members, prepare notices for general meetings, keep minutes of all meetings, and keep the official stamp or common seal of the society in safe keeping.

   The role of the Treasurer is to keep proper financial records, to bank all money received by the Society; to pay all accounts, to prepare annual accounts, and to file the annual accounts (financial statements) with the Registrar of Incorporated Societies.

    
   Still lots of addresses on the list; I am sure they will enjoy their pizza’s when they are ordered for them…..
   • Draco T Bastard 1.1

     29 June 2011 at 12:36 am

     …at least I thought all incorporated societies required a secretary, a chair and a treasurer. Very suspect.

     They probably do but that doesn’t mean that they have to be part of the committee.
2. Frank Macskasy 2

   28 June 2011 at 11:08 pm

   So much for accountability!
3. jackal 3

   28 June 2011 at 11:46 pm

   The numbers thing is a rule that a lot of incorporated societies and trusts fail. But I agree it’s not a good look for an organization preaching accountability to start off without a proper mandate under their own rules. Rule 22.3 is pretty standard as well and is a real problem concerning misappropriation with members awarding themselves the organizations funds and/or belongings. Believe you me it does happen. Rule 24.2 defines two people as final decision makers making the prospect of joining such an organization a waste of time, unless you’re an insipid nodding fool. There will be better things to attack them on though.
   • Frank Macskasy 3.1

     29 June 2011 at 12:03 am

     “Rule 22.3 is pretty standard as well and is a real problem concerning misappropriation with members awarding themselves the organizations funds and/or belongings. Believe you me it does happen.” – Jackal

     Indeed it does, Jackal. I seem to recall a case up north (Whangarei?) a couple of years ago (?) where a local disability group was effectively taken over, Don Brash-style, by a small clique. They then sold of the considerable assets of the organisation and paid themselves handsome “dividends”.

     The members were powerless to stop it, but eventually there was a Court case over the matter. I’m not aware what the result was.
4. Tanz 4

   29 June 2011 at 4:58 am

   If you believe in democracy so much, Mike, how come you’re so against the chance for the public to have a second and long-ago promised say on our voting system? So, you’d rather just leave it a closed book, because MMP suits you? Wow, that’s really fair, open and democratic. Not.
   • Lazy Susan 4.1

     29 June 2011 at 6:48 am

     If you believe in democracy so much, Mike, how come you’re so against the chance for the public to have a second and long-ago promised say on our voting system?

     So where in the post did Mike say that he was against the MMP vote, or is that just what you thought or wanted to read Tanz? The post was about the undemocratic rules of the somewhat shadowy organisation “Vote For Change”. Nice try at distraction though.
     • Zetetic 4.1.1

       29 June 2011 at 7:51 am

       if you look through one eye and squint, and don’t actually read what’s in front of you like Tanz, then you see it.
   • lprent 4.2

     29 June 2011 at 8:08 am

     It was never “promised”. That is just another myth based (as far as I can see) on a misconception in a comment by Jenny Shipley years after MMP was introduced.

     We all know how wedded the nutty right are to your precious, and that facts are just inconvenient distraction from playing with them (rather than something that you might want to think on). However, how about addressing the content of the post.

     If you want to raise irrelevant side issues – do it in OpenMike. That is what it is for.
5. Monty 5

   29 June 2011 at 8:53 am

   The problem with MMP is that it gives the likes of Winston Peters the ability to choose who the government may be. Every system has its faults – some systems more than others of course, but when a disproportionate amount of power is handed to a fringe party such as Winston, the Greenies, Hone (god forbid) or even Peter Dunne or Jim Anderton, then that system no longer becomes representative of the people, but rather representative of the ego of the few.

   For that reason I and hopefully 51% or more will be voting for change come 26 November 2011
   • Bored 5.1

     29 June 2011 at 9:12 am

     And I hope not Monty. Your argument implies that unless you are in a big and possibly majority band, your vote should not count, your voice remain unheard. What that advocates is authoritarian at best, ready to slip down the slope toward totalitarian. I for one dont really care to hear Dunne, Anderton, Peters etc, equally I dont care for Key. But I know whoever votes for them needs to have their voice heard, even if they get outvoted.

     Lets face it, if you have the numbers anyway why feel threatened by a small minority? Or do I smell the fear that your large gang cant get the numbers all the time? That is the problem with democracy is it not…so the standard rightist response is disenfranchisement………
     • Colonial Viper 5.1.1

       29 June 2011 at 9:22 am

       Let’s not forget that at any time, members of the largest Opposition party (or any other opposition party in parliament) can cross the floor and help the Government of the day defeat any stupidity being advocated by a one or two seat minority party.

       Or they can just laugh as the Government and the country is subsequently tied in knots.
6. queenstfarmer 6

   29 June 2011 at 9:03 am

   This really is a very strange article. It’s an incorporated society that can choose its own members, like vitually any other. Who is the “we” you refer to in “we don’t need our rules made up by a closed shop”?

   And what is the “hidden” about their agenda?
   • Colonial Viper 6.1

     29 June 2011 at 9:10 am

     Its the continuation of the US trend where supposedly independent citizens groups turn out to be (or develop into, in the case of the Tea Party) nothing more than corporate funded fronts. These go on to advocate as ‘citizens voices’ on behalf of big corporates and other moneyed interests.
     • Bored 6.1.1

       29 June 2011 at 9:13 am

       Well spotted Viper, as they say follow the money and you will find the backers of these things.
     • queenstfarmer 6.1.2

       29 June 2011 at 9:40 am

       So what is “deceptive” or unclear about this group (which I don’t support by the way)? They’re being pretty upfront about who they are and what they want. People can support them or not support them. How is this a “front”? Very strange.
       • Colonial Viper 6.1.2.1

         29 June 2011 at 9:45 am

         Why don’t you read up on the Koch brothers involvement with and behind the curtains funding of the Tea Party to get the idea, before you over play your false naivete.
         • queenstfarmer 6.1.2.1.1

           29 June 2011 at 10:00 am

           What does the Tea Party and the Koch brothers have to do with this?

           This is an incorporated society – no different to thousands of other. There is a constitution, binding list of objectives, details of officers – all publicly available. Societies are taxed on business activities. There is a register of members. All of this is quite the opposite of the murky Tea Party.
           • Colonial Viper 6.1.2.1.1.1

             29 June 2011 at 10:03 am

             🙂
           • ianupnorth 6.1.2.1.1.2

             29 June 2011 at 10:05 am

             Possibly because you cannot join unless they accept you – a very odd club, and if you say one thing out of order they can axe you – not very democratic for a group concerned with democracy!
             • queenstfarmer …

               29 June 2011 at 10:31 am

               “you cannot join unless they accept you – a very odd club” – um, you do realise that this is how the vast majority of societies actually run….?? Even the local tramping club has this rule.
               • Colonial Viper …

                 29 June 2011 at 10:35 am

                 Continuing to obfuscate I see

                 The post doesn’t focus criticism on these guys for being an incorporated society (you are deliberately side tracking with this line “oh, they are just like anyone else, there’s nothing special about them, why are they even worth mentioning, how ordinary and unremarkable, just one of a big pack” lol)

                 It criticises them for being a front group of astroturfers

                 You’re good at what you do qstf but not that good 🙂
7. Colonial Viper 7

   29 June 2011 at 10:45 am

   Koch funded echo chamber of politicians and concerned groups destroying American Social Security

   Thanks to Senator Bernie Sanders, one of the few in Congress who show true spirit and commitment to the mass of American people.

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPeUrJF6AM8
8. Ianupnorth 8

   29 June 2011 at 8:20 pm

   From today’s Herald – John Armstrong
    

   Vote for Change looks very much like the National Party Preservation Society in drag.

   Couldn’t have put it better

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