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What the hell is the sub-prime crisis?

Written By: - Date published: 10:46 am, March 19th, 2008 - 48 comments
Categories: economy, housing, International - Tags: , ,

The sub-prime crisis is at the heart of the world’s current economic problems. It all boils down to financiers playing fast and loose with the rules of how money works, and the US government not keeping an eye on them.

Essentially, they created a whole new class of interest-bearing pieces of paper that were supposedly backed up by the payments from sub-prime mortgages. These are mortgages banks had lent to people who couldn’t really afford their mortgages because the banks had stacks of savings from China and the Middle East they needed to lend to make profit. Inevitably, it all went to custard. Now, US banks are collapsing, they’re going into recession, and we’ll probably avoid recession but it will be a close thing.

Finance, with derivatives and options all that, is complicated but these new pieces of paper (CDOs) are so complicated even most financiers didn’t understand them. Fortunately, we have a cartoon to explain (best viewed on full screen):

For those more audibly inclined, here is a very good

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[6MB mp3] with economist and writer Max Fraad Wolff, former investment banker and journalist Nomi Prins and mortgage analyst and activist Josh Zinner interviewed by economics commentator Doug Henwood on the subject. They put the blame where it belongs – international finance speculators.

I wonder what former international finance speculator, John Key, would have to say about the root cause of the crisis that is threatening not just the US economy but ours?

48 comments on “What the hell is the sub-prime crisis?”

  1. IrishBill 1

    Like John says, let the market decide. And this time the market decided to screw us. What a surprise.

  2. Ruth 4

    The panic here is overblown. The offshore opinion is rather different, and you can’t get any economists here who are not either employed by banks, selling their book, or have an axe to grind.

    We have got 100bn a day going through NZ – it is viewed as one of the best places in the world to invest.

    Yes there will be some blowback, but don’t be dragged into the pessimism – I have yet to figure out why people find bad news appealing. Many would like to see this country go down the toilet it seems – so maybe they can blame Clark, Cullen, RBNZ, capitalism, Muslims – whateva.

  3. John Key may have to say a whole lot about the subprime crisis, but he won’t because it would implicate him in the whole sordid affair.

    John Key’s career reads like a who is who of the subprime perpetrators.
    When he started with the Bankers trust he became the head of the forex department after a while but I think that he worked in the bonds and derivatives bussiness as well.
    He was the account manger for a guy called Andrew Krieger when this man was playing fast and loose with the NZ dollar in 1987.
    The Banker trust is the bank par exelance who pioneered the asset baked paper and junkbond business. They knew the product was crap but that didn’t stop them from pedeling it to corporations like proctor and gamble. When P&G caught on to the fraud they sued and got the taped recording from the BT http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/interesting-reads/the-bankers-trust-tapes/
    Why do I think John Key operated in this market? Well, on his website he states that one of his functions with Merrill Lynch was the head of the European bonds and derivatives department. Thase are exactly the products that are now causing the subprime financial collapse. Take a look at this video and you’ll know how they went about it http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/interview-with-an-investment-banker/
    Additionally read the 5 part financial tsunami series
    http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/the-financial-tsunami-the-preeminent-role-of-new-york-banks-and-wall-street-investment-banks/
    I don’t think you would become the head of such a department with out knowing exactly what is going on don’t you think?
    JK makes it look like he was not involved with the American Financial market and he says on his wwebsite that he was a london banker, but on the Nation website you can find a speech he did for the American/New Zealand Friendships association. He states that he lived in New York of and on for 6 years and that two people he hired died in the attacks of 911. This puts him New York and Wall street with a bank that was involved in the Enron Scandal and is a major player in the subprime collapse. In 1999 he was on of only four Forex dealers who was invited to be an advisor to the Federal Reserve of NY. In the same year the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 was repealed which used to prohibit Commercial banks and investment banks to merge. It was the start of the artificial housing bubble.
    Stiglitz categorically states that the Federal reserve under Greenspan consiously started the latest bubble knowing full well what the end result would be.
    15 finance companies died last year in NZ alone, 4 billion is wiped off the state surplus, 1.7 billion of the pension fund, 2 billion ripped of from small mom and pop investors. Nation should be howling with righteous indignation about the fact that those people were not protected against unscruplulous investors, they would make an electoral killing, Yet not peep from them.
    Is it possible that John Key’s career could not stand the ensuing investigations and that he would be exposed for what he really is; an unscrupulous financial predator, who is send back to NZ by his banking and corporate mates to rape the countries assets and resources. I would love to ask him don’t you?

  4. higherstandard 6

    Trav

    So this is going to be the Standards next attack on Key – that he is at the heart of the sub prime crisis ….. methinks you have lost the plot.

  5. “The offshore opinion is rather different, and you can’t get any economists here who are not either employed by banks, selling their book, or have an axe to grind”

    Huh, what about all the independent forecasters like Berl, NZIER, and of course Infometrics. These organisations have taken a more moderate stance on credit crunches impact on NZ. Also Westpac have remained reasonably positive about the economy, even when they have been faced with rising wholesale rates.

  6. insider 8

    Trav

    You left out the bit on Jewish bankers and that he is part Jewish…

  7. Tane 9

    insider – too far.

  8. insider 10

    Tane

    It was irony – every other conspiracy was in there.

    Steve

    I listened to the radio peice above and there was no mention of money speculators – which I take to mean people trading the differences btween different currencies. It is all about structured finance vehicles which developed to make money from low interest rates and the overconsumption/over lending in the US, and the misrepresentation and misselling of the loans that backed them. I struggled to hear reference to any international dimension.

    Seems another distortion to make a cheap political point.

  9. Matt – care to discuss NZIER’s funding?

    insider – jeez is that the best you can do? Try harder mate, I know you’ve got it in you.

    HS – it’s “standard’s” (the apostrophe is possessive – how did you ever pass communications english?). Other than that see my comment to insider.

  10. “Matt – care to discuss NZIER’s funding?”

    NZIER’s funding – well their forecasts are funded from a trust aren’t they? Isn’t it part of their public good work. Furthermore they sell their forecasts to businesses in order to help make business decisions. They definitely aren’t tied to credit market interests as much as the banks – which was the point I was trying to raise.

  11. higherstandard 13

    Sod

    No it’s “Standard’s” capitalisation necessary I believe. Didn’t have communications English when I was at school just plain old fashioned English.

  12. So med school prior to the early nineties then?

  13. big bruv 15

    The sub prime crisis is what happens when you lend to Democrats or Labour voters.

  14. And another fine contribution from Bruv – don’t you have some flies to pull the wings off or something you thick bastard?

  15. I give you facts and you Higherstandard and Insider give me crap?
    I state facts and all of a sudden I am “the Standard” just because I wrote a comment. Honey, if you can’t stand the facts than give me yours but don’t give me crap. And you Insider, as far as I know the CEO of Merril Lynch who was John Key’s boss at the time was a black guy and most of the bankers are White Anglo Saxon protestants Waspies in other words.
    George Herbert Walker Bush’s daddy financed Hitler, but oh, wait, you are right, the Rockefeller family and the Rothchild family are Jewish and they financed Hitler too. Greed must run in every race of human beings Jews included. Again debate me on the facts, not with silly sad ad hominems, but boy, I hope you read as much as I do. Because I’m ready to take you on.

    Kind regards

    Evelyn Gilbert

  16. Higherstandard 18

    Dear Eve

    Your post signed off with the comment

    John Key’s career could not stand the ensuing investigations and that he would be exposed for what he really is; an unscrupulous financial predator, who is send back to NZ by his banking and corporate mates to rape the countries assets and resources. I would love to ask him don’t you?

    I treat these kind of ‘facts’ with the same contempt as those from the other side of the political specturm when they make comment about Helen Clark and Peter Davis’ sexuality – it is all complete bunkum.

    Grow up !!

  17. insider 19

    robsod

    can you point to the part of the panel discussion where they “put the blame where it belongs – international finance speculators.” It’s 50mins long but I didn’t hear any mention of it.

    what I did hear was a lot of discussion about misselling of loans and misrepresentation of securitisations. No currency trading at all. Perhaps your ears are better than mine.

  18. Dale 20

    So clearly Irish the market should be crushed and controlled by communism. You may not realise that it is H1 and H2 in charge not Jon.Or are you too full of St Pats.

  19. Insider – I don’t see any mention of currency speculation in Steve’s post. I’d class the sub-prime bubble as financial speculation gone wrong (as would those in the interview) so I can’t quite see your point…

  20. You should set yourself some higher standards Higherstandard,

    The complete sentence is not a fact and not presented as such, it is a question. the complete quote is:

    Is it possible that John Key’s career could not stand the ensuing investigations and that he would be exposed for what he really is; an unscrupulous financial predator, who is send back to NZ by his banking and corporate mates to rape the countries assets and resources. I would love to ask him don’t you?

    I have a lot of questions for John Key, you can find them here: http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/questions-i-would-like-john-key-to-answer/

    And as far as growing up is concerned sweety, I’m 51 years old and I have probably seen more politicians coming and going than you, and again what is it with these sad little ad hominems.

  21. Occasional Observer 23

    Robinsod

    Saying the sub-prime bubble is financial speculation gone wrong, and Steve’s implication that John Key is responsible because he was a financial speculator, is like saying totalitarianism was political science gone wrong, and therefore Helen Clark is responsible for Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, and Josef Stalin.

    If anybody made that last statement they would be laughed off the Standard. Trying to smear John Key is just silly.

  22. Higherstandard 24

    Eve

    I have looked at you site and I would encourage everyone else to do so.

    Congratulations on your recent half century.

  23. Higherstandard 25

    Eve or Travellerev if you prefer

    I note another fascinating piece on your site

    http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/open-letter-to-the-hon-phil-goff/

    Do you think John Key is involved in this conspiracy as well

  24. randal 26

    the sub prime fiasco is just another bubble which inevitably follows an orgy of speculation or too much money. best never forget that the arbitrageurs take a turn going up and down and they dont really care. it never affects them if they are sufficiently well insulated and scruples ethics and morality are left far in the background when it comes to country estates, ivy league universities for the kids and any other limited goods they wish to purchase

  25. Higherstandard 27

    Rich pricks eh Randal

  26. You asked for this, Mate.

    I haven’t thought about it quit frankly, but I was in Sidney this weekend to visit the first 911 truth conference outside of the US. I was in excellent company. Apart from eminent scientists, Architects, Engineers, an Ex-director of the Star wars project under two US presidents, Yuki Fijita San, the leader of the biggest opposition party of Japan, the Democratic party, director of the committee for foreign relations and defence, and the shadow minister of Defence was there as well.
    He was not there as a single conspiracy nutter but as the representative of his party. He made several speeches about the subject and wants a new International investigation of the events of that day.
    I have in my wallet his calling card and permission to contact him with regards to the subject, and I have every intention to approach our politicians with this, since he would like to talk with them about the subject.
    He has travelled around the world for the last six weeks after making a formal presentation about this in the first meeting of the committee this year.
    Also present was the prime minister of Japan and several of his ministers. This was televised on prime time mainstream Japanese television. This is part 1 with English subtitles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3LMogcOuPI You will find the rest on that page as well.

    The fact that he could travel the world on this subject, meeting with Euro parliamentarians and Dutch, English and Norwegian high ranking politicians without being ridiculed and maligned should have been major News.
    Imagine, the second most powerful man, who might very well be the next prime minister of the second most powerful economic country in the world says openly that he has serious questions about the events of 911. This should be front page news, and yet I bet you knew nothing about it.
    What was it that John Key laughed about and ridiculed? Oh yeah: people accused the NZ Herald of being a big media conspiracy newspaper and involved in suppressing negative information about him and clearly being in support of National.
    I wonder, Fairfax, the owner of every single newspaper in New Zealand is owned for 10 percent by, ooops why am I not surprised; Murdoch!!!!

    You see, it is no longer just a conspiracy theory. Do we have all the answers? No, but
    thanks to scientists, architects, engineers, pilots, whistle blowers and other brave people it is now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the official story is scientifically impossible. http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

    The official story is the “conspiracy theory’ now.

    19 Arab (or any other race for that matter) with box cutters could not stand down the most expensive defence system in the world for more than two hours in the most protected airspace of the world.
    Steel framed buildings do not collapse into their own footprints in free fall speed merely because a plane with approximately a child’s swimming pool amount of kerosene burning inefficiently slams into it.
    Especially not the Twin towers, who were designed to withstand such an impact.
    Added to that I suggest that you watch the third building that collapsed that day, WTC7 http://www.ae911truth.org/ a little bit lower on the page on the right side, this is the site were Richard Gage has uploaded his PowerPoint presentation. Richard Gage is an architect who specializes in the design of steel framed buildings.
    I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions.

    I leave you with some more proven facts though: Merrill Lynch ,the bank John Key worked for until March 2001 was involved in a strange betting exercise just days before the events of 911 http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html#financial.
    WTC7 contained all the court papers and dossiers concerning the Enron scandal, Merrill Lynch was heavily involved in this scandal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Enron_scandal.

    John Key was one of only 4 advisers to the Federal reserve of New York. This is upon invitation only and he was invited to join in 1999. The year the housing bubble was set in motion. Every single bank these four people represented are now heavily involved in the sub prime crisis. Merrill Lynch, Lehman brothers, City bank and Wahlberg.
    Although John Key states that he was a London banker (far away from the Wall street grime and slime) he contradicts this in a speech available on the National website http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=10988 in commemoration of the events of 911 no less.
    That puts him right in the thick of it. You can’t get much higher in the food chain of the predatorial, dog eat dog, world that is International finance world.
    And let’s not forget that the federal reserve bank of New York is a private corporate entity. Watch “the Money masters’ or “Money as debt’ on my site.
    So if you think that you can get to were he got and still be an “innocent’ than I’ve got a rain forest in the middle of the Sahara I would like to sell to you.

    Was he involved in 911 I don’t know.
    Was the international finance world involved? Let’s put it this way. Buzzy Krongard was the director of the A.B Brown bank. This bank was bought by the Bankers trust Bank (a bank that John Key also worked for), granted this was 3 years after John Key left, but at the level John Key operated it is a very small world.
    Buzzy was involved with the CIA since 1998.
    His bank was heavily involved in insider trading in the days leading up to the events of 911.
    Buzzy became the Executive director of the CIA in March 2001, the same month by the way John Key left for New Zealand to be the new poster boy for National.
    If you consider Don Brash (a Banker) had close connections with the Neocon movement (Hollow men, Nicky Hager)and the “Project for a new America” the neocon group that hailed the 911 events as the “New pearl Harbour” that lead to the Afghanistan, and Iraq wars, and if you remember that both John Key and Don Brash were heavily involved in the “Breathren finance scandal’ than I think it is save to assume that he knows more than he is telling us.

    I hope you click on some of the links and I’m always ready for debate with facts and reason.
    Leave a comment on the Aotearoa site. I’m currently working on a forum on International finance and 911. I hope to see you lot there when it is up and running.

    Evelyn

  27. higherstandard 29

    Oh dear oh dear

    captcha – the hospitals………… Yes psychiatric I suggest would be a good place to start

  28. Occasional Observer 30

    Travellerev:

    Yukihisa Fujita is not the leader of the opposition in Japan. He is a fringe, junior member of the DPJ, which has never held the government benches. He is not a leader of any of the factions of the DPJ, let alone leader of the DPJ itself. He is not particularly prominent at all in Japanese politics. The DPJ holds just 113 seats in the House of Representatives, as opposed to 296 by the LDP.

    You’re not doing any favours to your whacko argument by claiming that Fujita is a likely future Japanese Prime Minister. He’s not the second most powerful man in Japan. He’s not even the 500th most powerful man in Japan.

    It isn’t difficult for minor politicians to meet senior European dignitaries. Retiring MPs Brian Connell, Katherine Rich, and Marian Hobbs will no doubt meet senior dignitaries on their farewell junket to eastern europe next month. That doesn’t make them the second most powerful people in New Zealand.

    You seem to try to make something of the fact that Don Brash may, or may not have, met Richard Armitage and Robert Zoellick. You ask what connections John Key has with Richard Armitage. I don’t know, and neither do you.

    But you might want to be careful here. Phil Goff has met Richard Armitage several times. http://usinfo.state.gov/sa/Archive/2004/Feb/02-128658.html . So too has Helen Clark.

    Helen Clark, Jim Sutton, and Phil Goff have all met Robert Zoellick on multiple occasions.

    Unfortunately, Travellerev, your wild-eyed, crackpot theories just don’t stack up. Perhaps if you at least tried to base some of them in facts, you’d get more traction.

  29. Higherstandard 31

    Eve

    I also remember Phil Goff lost a much loved nephew in Afghanistan so i would suggest sending him letters such as the one on your website is not only in very bad taste but hurtful in the extreme.

  30. Occasional Observer 32

    Oh, and you will note, Travellerev, that Helen Clark and Richard Armitage played key parts in the US-NZ Partnership Forum in Auckland just six months ago. Clark was a key-note speaker, and Armitage led a forum debate. Phil Goff participated in a forum debate, and Winston Peters delivered closing remarks.

    US Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill, also a “neo-con”, delivered a keynote address.

    John Key wasn’t present.

    Sounds like Goff, Clark, and Peters are in on this conspiracy, though. Maybe you should expose them, and try and get them to turn their backs on America. Instead, you should encourage New Zealand’s leaders to engage with the second emerging superpower, instead of the US. New Zealand should develop stronger relations with that peaceful, democratic, progressive, freedom-loving country to our North: How about China?

  31. Occasional Observer, what a pity you started out so well.
    Bang on the mark with what are presumable facts and than inexplicably you start calling me names again and you don’t attack me on the facts anymore. wacko theories, wild eyed conspiracies. Trust me I would feel whole lot better if Newton’s laws of motion and energy were expendable, I would feel a whole lot better knowing that 1.2 million Iraqis didn’t die because of a brutal conquest for oil, but because they simply “weren’t ready for democracy”. I would love to find that women in Afghanistan could take off their Burka’s but really they just don’t want to. I would really be happy to know that Phill Goff’s beloved nephew died honourably on the battlefield defending our freedoms instead of in another brutal and illegal war for resources and opium. And those people that lost their loved ones in New York and Washington would love to find out once and for all that their loved ones really did die as a result of an unprovoked terror attack by 19 Arabs with box cutters, but you know I know some of those people now and their pain is seared in my heart, and they don’t believe that is why their loved ones died. They had 70% of their questions not even looked into by the the Hamilton Kean commission. They hurt and it is not hard to face up to ridicule from people like you and if with every shitty remark from people like you there are 2 people who have the courage to look up the facts for themselves than that is worth it to me, and my fellow travellers.
    So if you can debunk the facts that make up the body of evidence that has been compiled over the years by scientists, architects, engineers, journalists and a multitude of private and military citizens from around the world than I would hugely indebted to you.
    But you know, I don’t think that you are able to.
    You’ll probably say something like I won’t dignify all that crap with an investigation on my part, but hey there you have it.

    I said I was ready to debate on facts. I will double check your statements with with regards to Mr. Fujita and will happily acknowledge defeat if they stand up. The democratic party as I just checked is still the second biggest party, of Japan I would not consider that fringe, but does it change what he has done and how it was perceived by the Japanese prime minister his ministers, the media. Well let’s see. If what you say is right and he is just a small fringe politician than it is all the more amazing that they gave him the time of day. It would have been so easy to laugh him out of politics if he was just fringe so why didn’t they.
    So let’s see the committee for foreign Affairs and Defence allows this small fringe politician to make a 30 minute presentation about the collapse of WTC7 in free fall speed (No official explanation has been given to this day)at the end of the day off 911 and about assorted other anomalies of that day. I gave the link so go watch it. Not only are they listening to him but the Prime minister of Japan and some of his cabinet are present to listen to this small fringe politician.
    In fact they are there to try and answer some of his questions. 25 Japanese citizens died that day.
    Not only that, the mainstream Japanese TV shows this presentation of this minor fringe politician on primetime TV.
    And still nobody throws this crazy wide eyed conspiracy nutter fringe
    Politician out of the party for damaging it with his unsubstantiated theories. In fact 30 of his colleagues thank him after his presentation and all want a new investigation.
    And than this crazy fringe politician goes on a world tour to meet with other politicians, and again no ridicule but sincere gratitude from both politicians and scientists for his courage to breach this controversial subject.

    About contacts between the Neocons and labour, if they had contacts with members of the neocon group who at the time had legitimate functions in which it was appropriate for members of the Governing party to have contacts that would be one thing. If they had contacts secretly to further a secret agenda than that yes indeed would be highly suspect and I no compunction about wanting to find out about that. In fact I can’t wait for Nicky Hagers new book, which is about Helen Clark I believe.

    One thing though. You guys keep saying that I have theories and that apparently I try to fit the evidence around this theory. The funny thing is that is exactly what the Bush Cabal did. It is people like us who say hang on minute: There was no yellow cake, Sadam had no weapons of mass destruction (Something Scott Ritter, weapons inspector, Republican marine said before the iraq war started) steel frame buildings don’t pulverize in free fall speed from a kerosene fire. All we are saying(70% of the American people want a new investigation) is that the official conspiracy is impossible. That’s all. It is tempting to theorise about what really must have happened but it is not our job to prove what really happened. We did our job, the official story can’t have happened, all we can do is spread the facts and hope more people wake up to this horrible truth.

    So don’t believe me, do your own research, and start by clicking on some of the links I gave you in the previous post.

  32. r0b 34

    In the interests of balance, re the 9/11 stuff, readers might also wish to consider: http://www.debunking911.com/

  33. Occasional Observer 35

    Travellerev:

    If you want facts, try holding back on some of your own rhetorical flourishes.

    Fact: You claimed Fujita is the leader of the opposition, and the “second most powerful man in Japan”. You asserted he could be the next PM of Japan. He isn’t the former, nor either of the latter. He’s a minor-ranking politician who has never held government office, in a party that has never been in government. I note that a number of conspiracy blogs promote Fujita as the “probable next Prime Minister of Japan”. That could not be further from the truth. Just because some conspiracy nuts promote him as such does not elevate him to that position.

    Fact: You claim it is exceptional that Fujita made a supposed 30-minute presentation to the Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee of the Diet. You claim it is exceptional that the Foreign Minister and Defence Minister were in attendance. It has been six and a half years since the 911 attacks. The Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee of the Diet has the power to summons anybody, including the PM and Foreign Minister. It has similar powers to a sub-committee of the US congress. Many US congressional members have questioned senior US officials about 911. Many have taken more than thirty minutes to do so. It is not exceptional, at all.

    Fact: You claim it is exceptional that the proceedings of the Diet were broadcast on Japanese television, “primetime”. This is untrue. NHK, Japan’s national broadcaster, broadcasts all proceedings of the Diet on its dedicated parliamentary channel. It was not aired, live, primetime, on the NHK’s main service.

    What you are claiming, effectively, travellerev, is that if Keith Locke questions the Prime Minister in the House, and if the House broadcasts that answer on Parliament TV, then the fact that the Prime Minister is forced to answer Keith Locke’s questions, and the fact that Parliamentary TV is broadcast live, demonstrates the veracity and the significance of Keith Locke’s questions. It doesn’t. You’ve joined a group of fringe whackos who have pounced on a minor politician, and are too ignorant to dissect the truth.

    You claim that it is significant that Fujita goes on a “world tour” to meet other politicians. As I wrote in my last post, it is not significant. Politicians go on junkets all the time. When Sue Bradford goes to Sydney to meet an Australian Green MP, she doesn’t get insulted by that Green MP. The fact that a Japanese politician was welcomed in another country, and treated with respect and civility, does not mean everybody he saw was impressed and convinced by his views. It probably means the people he saw were acting politely.

    Adolf Hitler and Neville Chamberlain met each other several times, and were civil and polite to each other. It doesn’t mean that they agreed with each others’ views.

    You don’t know who has had secret meetings with whom. All we know is that you have accused John Key of having secret meetings with American neo-conservatives, without any evidence. There, is, however, evidence that these same demonic neo-cons met privately with Labour ministers, including the ministers of trade, foreign affairs, and the Prime Minister.

    I have been very patient with you, travellerev, in refuting your silly arguments point by point. My conclusion is that you’re a crackpot.

  34. Still no debunking 911 facts. And again with the crackpot.
    Hit me were it really hurts. 911. facts to debunk me please.

    Don’t believe me, do your own research http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
    http://www.ae911truth.org/
    http://www.journalof911studies.com/
    http://crazyrichguy.wordpress.com/
    http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/

  35. r0b 37

    Travellerev, I don’t think the 9/11 conspiracy theories are of much interest to The Standard. Anyone interested should do their own reading. You have listed links outlining the various conspiracy theories. For balance I’ll list just two sites that critique these theories:

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

    http://www.debunking911.com/

    I in no way intend to debate these issues on The Standard, and I suggest that it is unlikely that anyone else will either. Debate regarding NZ politics is of course, all on!

  36. Oh r0b,

    I always forget. the kiwi bloke in general is soooo provincial. (It is mostly blokes talking here in case you hadn’t noticed)
    They still think that they are save because they are on an island far away from everything and they can afford to think only about their little patch of the world.

    I am talking NZ politics. New Zealand soldiers are far away from their families and their country as a result of 911. That should be part of this election. I am not talking conspiracy theories. I’m giving facts. If I’m right (and with me lots of scientists, architects, engineers, US military, etc. etc.) don’t you think that the Standard par excellence should be the place to discuss this?

    By the way, why is it that when I ask about debunking facts that yerks like you start saying that we should not discuss this subject. I would love people to go check the sites you gave and than check my sites. All you have to do is not write in on discussions like this if you don’t want to debate the subject.

  37. r0b 39

    I always forget. the kiwi bloke in general is soooo provincial. (It is mostly blokes talking here in case you hadn’t noticed)

    Indeed I have noticed Evelyn, but one shouldn’t make assumptions about any particular individual. Matter of fact I’m really a dog.

    yerks like you start saying that we should not discuss this subject.

    No need to be rude Evelyn. I didn’t say that we shouldn’t discuss 9/11 conspiracy theories, I said I didn’t think the topic was of much interest, and that it was unlikely that anyone would engage. I could be wrong of course.

  38. You know what is so interesting r0b,

    I got a lot of hits via this threat on my site. A lot of them link through to the pages dedicated to 911. Perhaps people are interested to really discuss the issues they just don’t care to do it it with people like you or higherstandard or occasionalobserver.
    I’ve been called a crackpot and told to book into a psychiatric ward here so perhaps that is not so inviting for other people. So the rudeness started elsewhere.
    I have been hurled insult after insult yet not a single argument has been put forth that debunks our scientific research into the events of that day. I’ve bullied and told to shut up about 911 by you lot yet not a single reasonable argument has been offered against our research pertaining to that day. Every debunking piece of crap has been thourougly debunked by scientists and intelligent reasearchers. In fact overall most of the victims and survivors are all clamouring for a new and independent investigation of 911.
    It should be of real interest to discuss the events because (I’m sure Occasionalobeserver will correct me on this like he did on mr. Fujita but funny enough not on the events of 911)some 65 families have loved ones in Afghanistan, and with the resurgence of the Taliban those people could be very much in harms way. They are there because of the events on 911. Thousands of Afghanistani have perished as a result of the Western invasion into their country. People are still dying everyday in that country because the west felt justified to attack Afghanistan even though it had nothing to do with the attacks of 911.
    1.2 million people were killed in Iraq 3 million people are homeless and on the run. Iraq had nothing to do whatsoever with the attacks of 911, and the US is preparing an attack on Iran. Another country that had nothing to do with 911. 911 Was the excuse used in every warmongering speech from officials in the US. 911 is the base of every misbegotten adventure that the US is dragging the world into. Over 4000 American soldiers have perished in Iraq, they are there because of 911. Thousands of soldiers coming back from the illegal war of aggression and theft of resources are coming back wounded and traumatized.40.000 first responders who were the heroes on the “Pile” are ill and dying because they inhaled the dust from those buildings. Thousands of New York children have developed asthma because they inhaled dust from the pulverized buildings
    It is in fact the starting point of the last housing bubble that is now imploding. With banking products developed by the Bankers trust, in the early nineties while John Key worked for them.
    While the world was dragged into war the bankers ripped the American and world economy apart. It should be the most important topic we discuss.

  39. higherstandard 41

    Eve

    I think the reason people don’t want to engage on this subject is that most of us believe the most plausable explanantion – that terrorists hijacked and flew planes into a number of buildings in the USA – many of these terrorists were trained by Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

    There is certainly vast amounts of evidence that this is what occured.

  40. OK, give me one piece of evidence,just one?

  41. higherstandard 43

    Bazant, Zdenek P. and Mathieu Verdure. “Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions” in Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, Volume 133, Issue 3, pp. 308-319 (March 2007). Bazant and Verdure write, “As generally accepted by the community of specialists in structural mechanics and structural engineering (though not by a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives), the failure scenario was as follows…” (continues with a four-part scenario of progressive structural failure).

  42. higherstandard 45

    The journal of 911 studies somehow I can’t really take any of this seriously Eve – although I’m impressed you have so much time to dedicate to conspiracy theories.

    Have a nice life

    Goodbye

  43. RedLogix 46

    r0b, HS,

    I’m going to back Evelyn on this one.

    I have spent months of my life reading about 9/11. I have reached the firm conclusion that we have not been told the truth about what really happened that day.

    In the absence of the truth and much in the way of firmly corroborated evidence, there has been a lot of speculation. By it’s very nature speculation is a hit or miss affair. Some of it is plain wrong, some of it is interesting, but dubious…. and some of it is perfectly irrefutable.

    There is no one plank on which the 9/11 story rests. There is in fact a multitude of them. Far too many to even so much as briefly list in one post. No-one owes you the truth; you have to work to reach a position that makes plausible sense in your own mind… and in the end I determined that of all the “9/11 conspiracy theories”, the so-called official version is the most crazy of them all.

    I’m not going to try and debate it here. For one, this is a NZ political blog site and probably not the most receptive forum for it. For another, it’s all been done elsewhere and I’m not going to re-type other people’s work for the fun of it. But mostly, because I know from bitter experience, this is a topic so taboo that most people simply do not want to think about it, much less debate it with an open mind.

    After all, who the hell wants to be told that maybe, just maybe they had been rooting for the bad guys all along?

  44. r0b 47

    r0b, HS,

    I’m going to back Evelyn on this one.

    Fine RL, go for it. To each their own!

  45. Hi RedLogic,

    It is good to know there is someone else out there who has done his homework.
    I have to disagree with you though on the self censure.
    The Standard has a fairly stringent moderating policy. I know because comments I made have been censured before because they weren’t entirely on topic.
    In fact Insider gets a ticking of because he mentioned John Key’s Jewish ancestry in this thread. So we know that Tane is moderating this thread. I always abide by the moderators wishes, but so far we have been allowed this thread to develop as it has. So we have to assume that there is some interest in the subject. I therefore will keep the thread alive. I think that 911 is the most important event in all our lives whether you like it or not. That was the moment the world was hijacked and we are part of that world, therefore we should discuss it even if it is with morons who refuse to look at the evidence we give them.
    As they say you can bring a horse to water but you can not make it drink.
    As we write here other people read this and I get hits to my sites, and as far as I’m concerned every soul we can wake up in this sleepy little country is a help.

    aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com
    crazyrichguy.wordpress.com

    To the morons: I have no theories as to who did it, I only know the official “conspiracy theory” is a load of impossible bunkum. S.C.I.E.N.T.I.F.I.C.A.L.L.Y. impossible.
    The NIST Bazant rapport stops at the moment of collapse. It gives no explanation as to how two 110 story buildings could pulverize in 8.9 seconds, it does not even mention the third building that collapsed that day. To this day they have yet to give an explanation for the 6.8 second collapse of that building. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?
    Have you even looked at the PDF’s I linked too?
    Because they completely rip the NIST apart based on S.C.I.E.N.C.E
    What is it you are so scared off to contemplate (And this of course is purely conjecture, since we have not had an independent investigation) the unthinkable: Factions in the US power structure decided that it was time to get their hands on the oil and in order to get the world to comply (NZ has soldiers in Afghanistan and that makes it NZ politics as far as I’m concerned, by the way) they killed three thousand people from all over the world. Get it!

    I have been very patient with you patronizing sods but man, get reading already.

    Oh by the way, with the help of my husband of twenty years, I am able to work full time on this. I have been for the last two years. I have studied every single paper written on this, I have seen every film made about the 911 events. It took me months to admit that perhaps it wasn’t 19 Arabs with boxcutters. I know some of the Scientists, Architects, Engineers and Military and Journalists and Filmers who make up the 911 truth movement. Like them, all I want is a new independent investigation. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    The decision to reject the proposed flyover at the Basin Reserve must be taken as an opportunity to properly fund Wellington’s transport future and must not be used as an excuse to take resources away from the capital, Wellington Labour MPs...
    Labour | 22-07
  • National out of touch with the regions
    John Key is out of touch with regional New Zealand if he believes tinkering with council regulations will restore opportunities to small towns, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “While the regions are crying out for sustainable growth and job opportunities,...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Flyover rejection a victory for sustainable transport
    The rejection of the proposed Basin Reserve flyover by a Board of Inquiry is a victory for sustainable transport in Wellington and paves the way for other alternatives to be given a fair hearing, Wellington Labour MPs Grant Robertson and...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Reo Māori Policy Launch
    MANA will be launching its Reo Māori policy at 10am Thursday 24 July, at Matangireia (the old Māori Affairs Select Committee room at Parliament). We will also be addressing our concerns regarding the Minister of Māori Affairs Māori Language Strategy...
    Mana | 22-07
  • Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense
    The Green Party welcomed the Environmental Protection Authority's draft decision announced today not to allow the $90 million Basin Reserve flyover in Wellington to proceed."Both popular and expert opinion opposed the flyover. The proposal was expensive, unnecessary and would have...
    Greens | 22-07
  • Loss Leading could destroy Kiwi lamb’s reputation
    Meat companies that supply supermarkets and sell New Zealand lamb as a loss leader in the United Kingdom should lose their access to this valuable quota market, said Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson Damien O’Connor. “Our reputation as a Lamb producer...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Ae Marika! 22 July 2014
    The big storm has gone, but the damage that it did and the saturation levels that it reached meant that smaller storms quickly overwhelmed roading, and water-flow systems again in the north. And although certain individuals are talking up the...
    Mana | 21-07
  • 2014 Roger Award nominations now open
    The Roger Award is for The Worst Transnational Corporation Operating in Aotearoa/New Zealand in 2014 Nominations are now open please visit the website to nominate the worst TNC in Aotearoa. You will need to include reasons why you think your...
    Mana | 21-07
  • Labour will revive the regions with new fund
    The next Labour Government will co-develop Regional Growth Plans for every region of New Zealand and will invest at least $200 million in a fund to create breakthrough opportunities for jobs and sustainable growth, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says....
    Labour | 21-07
  • Speech to Local Government New Zealand
    Speech to the Local Government New Zealand Conference 2014 Read our full regional development policy Download Introduction Early in my time as an MP I went for a long walk on a windswept Kare Kare beach with Waitakere mayor Bob Harvey. We talked...
    Labour | 21-07
  • Stop Israeli State Terror – Rally and March this Saturday 26th July, Aote...
     The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is getting much worse and the world is marching in unprecedented numbers. New Zealanders spoke out strongly last Saturday with a march of 5,000 people in Auckland (see picture below) – the biggest march ever...
    Mana | 21-07
  • NZ needs to assist UN with aid for Gaza
    The New Zealand Government should support the United Nation's efforts to raise money to assist humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza, the Green Party said today.The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) has made a...
    Greens | 21-07
  • INTERNET MANA ROAD TRIP- LEG 2
      WAIKATO / TARANAKI / MANAWATU-WANGANUI  Tuesday July 29th, 6pm | RotoruaDistinction Hotel, Fenton Ballroom, 390 Fenton Street, Rotorua  Wednesday July 30th 6pm | HamiltonWaikato University, Price Waterhouse Coopers Lecture Theatre, Gate 7, Hillcrest Rd Hamilton  Thursday July 31st, 6pm |...
    Mana | 21-07
  • Road fix needed now, not later
    Northland’s roading system is in chaos and needs fixing fast, Labour List MP Kelvin Davis says.  “According to NZTA’s 10 year funding data every area of Northland has had a decrease in NZTA funding since 2008...
    Labour | 20-07
  • KiwiSaver innovations needed to build wealth
    The innovative changes to KiwiSaver suggested by the Financial Services Council today will be seriously considered by Labour as part of plans to make KiwiSaver universal, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Universal KiwiSaver is an essential part of Labour’s...
    Labour | 20-07
  • Greens announce 20 hours free ECE for two year olds
    The Green Party today announced that its key social platform for this election will be to tackle child poverty and inequality by ensuring every child in New Zealand has enough to thrive.The Green Party will make a series of policy...
    Greens | 20-07
  • MANA Pasifika Says NO To Discrimination
    Vice Chairperson of MANA Pasifika James Papali’i  feels for Ms Tupou and her children after they were served with trespass orders from their  local swimming pool in new market. With no warning or explanation from the pool staff Police ordered...
    Mana | 20-07
  • MANA Movement policy release – Economic Justice – John Minto
    Address notes from Mana Economic Justice Spokesperson and co-vice President John Minto to Economic policy launch in Kelston – 2pm, Sunday 20 July 2014. Reducing inequality and giving everyone a fair go MANA Movement’s policy prescription for a rich man’s...
    Mana | 20-07
  • One-sided reporting on the Middle East Conflict
    The following was sent to New Zealand Herald, Fairfax Media, Radio New Zealand, Television New Zealand, TV3, Radio Live and ZB Network. We are writing to all of you because there are well established patterns of reporting which seem to have been adopted by New Zealand...
    Mana | 20-07
  • On so called Labour Party ‘distractions’
    The right wing of the Labour Party are constructing a narrative that Labour need to stop chasing distractions and focus on the real issues that matter and not these silly GCSB, inequality, domestic violence, media bias, TPPA issues. It is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • Selfies: Labour’s Electorate MPs are at it again
    IT’S A LITTLE TRIANGLE of grass at the corner of Rewa Street and Mt Eden Road, ideal for election hoardings. Wandering along Mt Eden Road last Saturday morning to our weekly appointment with the brunch menu at Orvieto, my family and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • Well, well, well – Jonathan Coleman did know about FBI interest into Kim ...
    Last years GCSB Town Hall meeting in Auckland Oh dear, the cover up and lies are starting to fall over now aren’t they… Coleman knew of FBI interest in Dotcom pre-residency decisionGovernment minister Jonathan Coleman knew the FBI was interested...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Why You Must March Against Factory Farming This Saturday, 12pm
    The rally this Saturday is critical because this is the FIRST TIME IN NEW ZEALAND HISTORY that a major party has agreed to ban all intensive factory farming practices. The Labour party, the Greens, Internet-Mana, the SPCA, SAFE and other...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Astronaut tweets photo of explosions over Israel and Gaza from space
      This is what a war zone looks like from space: From aboard the International Space Station, German astronaut Alexander Gerst tweeted this image as the station passed over Israel and Gaza in what he called ‘his saddest photo yet’....
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • When Firstline are focusing on flag burning rather than dead Palestinian ch...
    The IDF are butchering children in UN schools this morning and what’s the big issue on TV3s Firstline? Flag burning. How pathetic, and what a slap in the face to Mike McRoberts who is currently risking his life in Gaza...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • ‘Victim’ vs ‘Terrorist’
    ‘Victim’ vs ‘Terrorist’...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Petition asking TVNZ to stand Hosking down as election moderator jumps to o...
    In just a day the petition calling on TVNZ to replace Hosking as the election moderator has jumped to over 2500, you can sign it here. The defence that the Right are trying to run here is that John Campbell...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • When the mainstream media go feral: the descent into sheer farce, according...
    . . It had to happen, I guess… The media pack-campaign against Labour Leader David Cunliffe has managed to  plumb new depths of absurdity. On TV3, on 24 July,  TV3/Tova O’Brien ran this report on their 6PM News bulletin, about...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting: MIKE HOSKING FOR PM?
    Yes indeed. Mike Hosking is for the PM. And now he’s able to do even more as moderator (or should that be immoderator) of TVNZ’s election debates. Here at the Coalition for Better Broadcasting we feel it’s pretty safe to say that...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • The lie that “There is no alternative” to neo-liberal economic policies
    Supporters of President Maduro in Venezuela rally   Since the 1980s we have had drubbed into our heads that there was no alternative to the economic and social policies unleashed at that time. It even had it’s own acronym – TINA. The...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • A Kanaky tale of mining skulduggery and environmental courage
    Florent Eurisouké … still campaigning against mining. Photo: Del Abcede/PMC David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific AN EXTRAORDINARY story of mining skulduggery and a courageous struggle by indigenous Kanak environmental campaigners has been captured in a poignant new documentary,...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • UNBREAKING: The list of questions Mike Hosking will use in first TVNZ leade...
    “Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the first TVNZ leaders debate being held live in the gloriously beautiful Sky City ball room. It’s such a beautiful building boys and girls, we are so blessed to have Sky City...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Internet Party Party review
      I have been to A LOT of political party functions in my time, and they tend to be dull affairs at the best of times but what is happening with Internet MANA is something quite exciting. I went to...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Dear Seven Sharp – after learning Hosking will be the leaders debate ...
    I have to be honest, I had made the decision last night  to accept Seven Sharp’s hastily offered opportunity to appear on their show after I savagely criticised the bullshit whitewash story they did on John Key’s favourite far right hate speech...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates Wednesday, 23 Jul 2014 | Press Release This is another reminder that the National Government does not care about the survival of the Maui’s dolphin National...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Message from CTU President Helen Kelly
    MIL OSI – Source: Unite Union – Headline: Message from CTU President Helen Kelly Dear MikeThere’s only 43 days until September 3, when voting in the General Election starts. The last day to vote is September 20.Thanks heaps for signing...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour Posted on July 23, 2014 by admin in Joe Carolan, Press Releases“Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week”,...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • We must act to save our dolphins
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: We must act to save our dolphins A new report makes it clear for the urgent need to protect Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins while arguing  it is clear that there is no...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • School told to manipulate national standards data
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: School told to manipulate national standards data Parents can have little confidence in the Government’s National Standards after an Auckland school was told to manipulate its data so it added up, Labour’s...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Regional economies must have tailored plans
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Regional economies must have tailored plans News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Auditor General slams Shared Services project
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Auditor General slams Shared Services project The Auditor-General’s Office could not have been more damning about the 18 months spent on the Central Agency Shared Services (CASS) project at the Finance and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato The potential loss of up to 114 jobs from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton is a massive blow to the Waikato region which has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital The decision to reject the proposed flyover at the Basin Reserve must be taken as an opportunity to properly fund Wellington’s transport future and must...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Indonesia: New President Widodo must make good on human rights pledges
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Indonesia: New President Widodo must make good on human rights pledges Indonesia’s new President Joko Widodo must deliver on campaign promises to improve Indonesia’s dire human rights situation, Amnesty International said....
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Communities in Sierra Leone turn their backs on female genital mutilation
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Communities in Sierra Leone turn their backs on female genital mutilation While activists gather in London to discuss strategies to tackle female genital mutilation, communities across Sierra Leone have been taking...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • The Gambia: Activists mark 20 years of iron-fisted repression
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: The Gambia: Activists mark 20 years of iron-fisted repression The Gambian government must abolish the laws and iron fisted practices that have resulted in two decades of widespread human rights violations,...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • A blog from the front lines of Palestine: It’s time for a new narrative
    I don’t know if I follow trouble or if trouble follows me, but somehow I seem to have found myself near one of the world’s hotspots again. The difference this time is that instead of sitting in some obscure location,...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – The Path Ahead
    It’s well established that Labour has had a difficult couple of weeks. Getting back on to a successful path requires our focus to shift from looking inwards to outwards, heightened discipline, and inner conviction. While my assessment of New Zealand...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Employers liquidating companies to avoid paying minimum entitlements
    Across the union movement we have seen a number of documented cases now where companies are liquidating their business in order to avoid their legal obligations, in terms of paying the minimum entitlements to their workers. The most recent example...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Carolan : Positively Controversial
    The protest in Auckland last weekend that the NZ Herald claimed was attend by only a hundred people. Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week. A good start would be for all their...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Come on TV3 News – you are better than regurgitating Israeli propaganda
    Say it isn’t true TV3 News, you are seriously bitching about this???? The leader of the Mana Party, Hone Harawira, has supported flag burning at a pro-Palestinian march in Auckland at the weekend. Mana Party flags can be seen in...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • The brutal siege of Palestine
    70 years ago the Jews of Europe suffered as much as any people can suffer. The Nazis set about ethnic cleansing and sent 6 million to their death. Today we watch in horror as Israel, the Jewish homeland created after...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • When the mainstream media go feral: A tale of two holidays
    . . The recent non-story on David Cunliffe’s three day holiday should be proof-positive that the mainstream media (msm) is fixated on pumping out as many “bad news” reporting as can be generated by a headline-seeking; advertising-driven; lazy corporate-media system....
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Canterbury housing crisis a moral, economic, health, education, and social ...
    Can they build it? No they can’t.  Occasionally I come across people who don’t believe me when I say there is a housing crisis in Christchurch.  Despite all the evidence to the contrary.  Even when I tell them that every...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Respected world visionaries of the past speak out on Israel
    Respected world visionaries of the past speak out on Israel...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • From Here To There: How did Labour become so hopelessly lost?
    WRITING ABOUT the Labour Party these days puts me in mind of the joke about the American tourist and the Irish farmer. Seems there was this American tourist driving down a narrow lane in the heart of Ireland. He needed...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Oh NOW everyone thinks the ABCs are up to no good?
    Goodness last months June seems like years away doesn’t it? In June I pointed out a move by the ABCs to destabilise Cunliffe was under way. For pointing this out, Labour Party bloggers Rob Salmond and Lynn Prentice rushed to put...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Dear Seven Sharp – I have little interest in appearing on your show so th...
    After savagely critiquing Seven Sharp for trying to whitewash the repulsive history of a far right hate speech merchant like Cameron Slater yesterday, Seven Sharp have contacted me and offered to do a profile on me. Here is their email…...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense Tuesday, 22 Jul 2014 | Press Release “Both popular and expert opinion opposed the flyover. The proposal was expensive, unnecessary and would have undermined the...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • CPAG Newsletter July 2014
    MIL OSI – Source: Child Poverty Action Group – Headline: CPAG Newsletter July 2014 22 July 2014 New child poverty data nothing to celebrate New data released by the Ministry of Social Development  indicates people living below the poverty line are worse...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Hotel ordered to pay $80,000 in outstanding wages
    MIL OSI – Source: Unite Union – Headline: Hotel ordered to pay $80,000 in outstanding wages An Auckland hotel has been ordered by the Employment Relations Authority to pay nearly $80,000 in outstanding wages to two employees. Filipino couple Abraham...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Rising interest rate and dollar driving manufacturing exports back to Globa...
    MIL OSI – Source: CTU – Headline: Rising interest rate and dollar driving manufacturing exports back to Global Financial Crisis levels The Council of Trade Unions is calling on the Reserve Bank not to raise interest rates on Thursday. “Another...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Israel/Gaza: Attacks on medical facilities and civilians add to war crime a...
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Israel/Gaza: Attacks on medical facilities and civilians add to war crime allegations The continuing bombardment of civilian homes in several areas of the Gaza Strip, as well as the Israeli shelling...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Central African Republic: Brazzaville talks should not lead to amnesties fo...
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Central African Republic: Brazzaville talks should not lead to amnesties for war crimes Amnesty International called on delegates to the Central African Republic (CAR) National Reconciliation talks due to take place...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Russia increases stranglehold on dissent as five more NGOs named ‘foreign...
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Russia increases stranglehold on dissent as five more NGOs named ‘foreign agents’ The Russian Ministry of Justice today registered four more Russian human rights organizations and one environmental group as “foreign...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Nigeria: World Bank panel turns its back on forcibly evicted community
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Nigeria: World Bank panel turns its back on forcibly evicted community The decision by a World Bank Inspection Panel to refuse to investigate a complaint about forced evictions linked to a...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • National out of touch with the regions
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: National out of touch with the regions John Key is out of touch with regional New Zealand if he believes tinkering with council regulations will restore opportunities to small towns, Labour Leader...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Flyover rejection a victory for sustainable transport
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Flyover rejection a victory for sustainable transport The rejection of the proposed Basin Reserve flyover by a Board of Inquiry is a victory for sustainable transport in Wellington and paves the way...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Loss Leading could destroy Kiwi lamb’s reputation
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Loss Leading could destroy Kiwi lamb’s reputation Meat companies that supply supermarkets and sell New Zealand lamb as a loss leader in the United Kingdom should lose their access to this valuable...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • The Nation 26,27 July: Flavell & Harawira, Joe Hockey
    On The Nation this weekend…. With the Maori seats primed to play a pivotal role this election, Torben Akel reports from the key battlegrounds and meets the top contenders. Then the Maori Party co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell and Mana Party...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Announcement of New Zealand First Candidate for Rangitīkei
    New Zealand First has endorsed Dr Romuald (‘Rom’) Rudzki as the candidate for the Rangitīkei Electorate in the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Labour Offer Len Brown a Hotel Tax
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the Labour Party's plan to allow councils to levy new 'pillow taxes' and regional petrol taxes. Reacting to this afternoon’s NZ Herald report Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union ,...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Cell phone evidence a first
    Cell phone evidence a first Evidence gathered solely from a cell phone has been used for the first time to convict a Hastings man for possessing child sexual abuse pictures. Michael Lawrence Worsnop, a 29-year-old orchard worker pleaded guilty to...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • New Zealand Aid Worker Helping in Gaza
    A New Zealand Red Cross nurse working in Gaza says she has never experienced anything like the current conflict in her long aid work career....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Parking officers deserve safety at work
    The union representing the Auckland Transport parking officer severely beaten on July 17 says everyone has a right to go about their job without fear for their safety....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Caritas Aotearoa NZ to provide Gaza humanitarian aid
    Caritas Jerusalem is providing medical assistance, food and other necessities to the thousands of vulnerable people affected by the escalating conflict in Gaza, and Caritas Aotearoa New Zealand is contributing an initial $20,000 to support the humanitarian...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • ALCP challenges parties to support Charlotte’s Web
    The leader of the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party Julian Crawford is calling on all other political parties to state their position on using cannabis oil to treat pediatric epilepsy....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Oxfam accepts cheque from Pacific Corporation Foundation
    Oxfam New Zealand has accepted a cheque for almost $1000 today from the Pacific Corporation Foundation toward recovery efforts in the Solomon Islands, following April’s flash flooding that left thousands homeless....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Draft report and decision – Pūhoi to Warkworth proposal
    The Ara Tūhono – Pūhoi to Wellsford Road of National Significance: Pūhoi to Warkworth section Board of Inquiry has released its draft report and decision....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • New Zealanders willing to pay tax to protect dolphins
    A report released this week shows a large majority of New Zealanders want Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins protected and they are prepared to pay for it....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Stop Smart Meters
    “The Democrats for Social Credit Party (DSC) wholeheartedly endorses the Stop Smart Meters campaign for a moratorium on installations of smart meters until the technology is proven not be a risk to health, and until home owners are given a...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Maori Roll Electors Urged to Vote Strategically
    Voters enrolled in the seven Maori electorates must learn to maximize their influence by voting strategically, according to the Maori Party candidate for Te Tai Tokerau, Rev Te Hira Paenga....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Politicians Ignore Families’ Concerns on Street Prostitution
    Family First NZ says that politicians are ignoring the concerns of families, lack the will to take appropriate action, and are happy to drag the ongoing problem of street prostitution into the next parliamentary term....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Plunket celebrates Te Wiki o te Reo Māori
    Plunket is proud to celebrate Te Wiki o te Reo Māori (21-27 July), with Plunket people across the country among several thousand New Zealanders taking part and increasing their kete of knowledge in te reo....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Coleman must quit or be sacked over Dotcom case
    Immigration New Zealand has done the right thing in distancing itself from Jonathan Coleman’s claims that ministers were not aware of FBI involvement in Kim Dotcom’s residency application, says the Internet Party. Internet Party leader Laila Harré...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Auckland Councillors, Not Emperors
    25 JULY 2014 Responding to the NZ Herald report that Auckland Councillors have voted to keep their ratepayer-funded business class travel perks, and considered new rules that would have exempted councillors from Auckland City's parking charges, Taxpayers’...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Cunliffe Looks Dodgy Lunching with Sex Offender
    Conservative Party Leader Colin Craig says that David Cunliffe's social meeting with a known sex offender while on holiday "looks pretty dodgy."...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Taxpayers’ Union Back LGNZ Calls For Greater Transparency
    The Taxpayers’ Union is backing Local Government New Zealand’s calls for the Official Information Act to be extended to cover the Local Government Commission. Union Executive Director, Jordan Williams, says:...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Lecture series to provide insight into 2014 election
    Could National’s refusal to reform MMP lead to the defeat of the government? Is the media providing voters with the information they require to make an informed electoral decision? What directions might John Key’s leadership take if he secures...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • National Rally Against Factory Farming
    Animal advocates and members of the public all over New Zealand will unite for a ‘National Day of Action Against Factory Farming’ Saturday, tomorrow 26 July in response to two recent exposés that showed horrific conditions on pig factory farms....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Women in Politics Finds Support at Conference
    Women in Politics, a brand-new organisation for New Zealand women in political office, was met with overwhelming support at the 2014 Local Government New Zealand Conference held this weekend in Nelson....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • The Government’s Fresh Water Policy – REVISITED
    Fresh water quality is the latest area to be in the sights of Gareth Morgan and his research organisation The Morgan Foundation. They enlisted a group of 16 scientists to help them review the government’s new fresh water policy....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Restoration of Post-graduate Allowances to be Key Issue
    As students prepare for the early voting that will take place on all university and many polytechnic campuses next month, the restoration of post-graduate allowances, removed by the current government in 2013, is emerging as a key election issue....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Honesty for Taxpayers
    ACT has a new proposal to make our democracy more accountable. The proposal may seem small but it could be the most significant idea in this election....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Mike Hosking for PM?
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting is adding its voice to the many appalled at TVNZ’s choice of Mike Hosking as moderator for the upcoming political debates....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • ‘Party Party’ Hitting the Right Notes
    The “sold out” sign has gone up at the Internet Party’s concert in Christchurch tonight. A capacity crowd of 1000 will be at The Foundry for the Party Party concert, part of a major national musical tour aimed at getting...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • New Electoral Commission Campaign Launches This Weekend
    New Electoral Commission Campaign Launches This Weekend More non-voters than ever before say they don't feel like their vote is worth anything, or that their opinion matters. It's a trend that concerns the Electoral Commission, and the reason for...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Umere says ‘taihoa’ on Māori Language Strategy
    A Maori Language advocacy group, Umere, is calling for a rain check on the Māori Language Strategy Bill, which is being introduced to parliament this week. "The submissions on the MLS have been released by Te Puni Kōkiri and they...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • High cost of GP visits still a barrier for older children
    Free doctor's visits should be extended to all children under 18 as GP charges are a significant barrier for low income families, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • David Cunliffe happy to hide sex offender’s identity
    ..:: For immediate release ::.. 24/07/14 David Cunliffe happy to hide sex offender’s identity - (and in fact enjoy lunch with them)...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • More kids in Southland and Otago are achieving
    Clutha-Southland National candidate Todd Barclay says the Public Achievement Information for 2013 shows New Zealand children are doing better across the whole education system....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Flavell mistaken
    In response to Mr Flavell’s tirade this afternoon Conservative Party Leader Colin Craig advises "Mr Flavell is simply mistaken in his comments."...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • High cost of GP visits still a barrier for older children
    Free doctor's visits should be extended to all children under 18 as GP charges are a significant barrier for low income families, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Taxpayers’ Union Lay Complaint with Speaker
    The Taxpayers’ Unio n has written to Parliament's Speaker, the Rt. Hon. David Carter, asking him to step in and investigate the claims on the WhaleOil blog that taxpayers’ money is being improperly used for Mana Party election campaign hoardings....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • MANA launches te reo Māori policy
    “MANA is launching its te reo Māori policy this morning ahead of the first reading of the government’s Māori Language Strategy Bill this afternoon”, said MANA deputy leader and candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Candidate welcomes award of platinum exploration permits
    Clutha-Southland National candidate Todd Barclay has welcomed the Government’s decision to award Lynx Platinum Limited two exploration permits in Southland. Mr Barclay said the minerals industry is an important part of New Zealand’s economy...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Pokie spending and numbers continue to drop
    Pub and club gaming machine expenditure in the year ended June 2014 fell 2.4 per cent from $826.3 million to $806.2 million. There were also fewer licence holders, gambling venues and gaming machines compared with 12 months earlier. Licence holders...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • New Zealand Police to assist in MH17 victim identification
    New Zealand Police is sending three Disaster Victim Identification (DVI) specialists to the Netherlands to assist in the international effort to identify victims from the MH17 tragedy....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Oil Spill Response Strategy available for consultation
    Maritime New Zealand (MNZ) is inviting comment on its draft updated New Zealand Marine Oil Spill Response Strategy....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Police response to IPCA report on Rewa investigation
    Police accept the findings of today's IPCA's report regarding its investigations into offending by Malcolm Rewa in Auckland in the 1980s and 1990s....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Well-known kiwis sign on to stop ivory trade
    Today the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Select Committee will consider a complete ban on the ivory trade in response to a petition by Auckland teacher Virginia Woolf and policy analyst Fiona Gordon....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Commonwealth Games are not being captioned in New Zealand
    As members of the Captioning Working Group, The National Foundation for the Deaf and Deaf Aotearoa New Zealand call for broadcast captioning of the 2014 Commonwealth Games...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Majority of Commonwealth countries are already republics
    The Glasgow Commonwealth Games are here and it's a common misbelief that a Kiwi republic would mean that New Zealand would have to leave the Commonwealth. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Police handling of Rewa Investigation
    Although an Independent Police Conduct Authority inquiry has identified some faults with a series of investigations conducted by Police into offending by Malcolm Rewa, there is insufficient evidence that any of these impacted on the ability of Police...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • IPCA findings on Police handling of Rewa Investigation
    Good morning everyone. I’d like to begin today by explaining that this is an informational press conference and that I will not be taking questions at its conclusion. The reason for that is the report’s findings are the result of...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Pay It Back Ms Hauiti
    Responding to the Newstalk ZB report that disgraced MP Claudette Hauiti is refusing to confirm whether or not she has reimbursed taxpayers for misuse of her Parliamentary 'P-card', Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director, Jordan Williams, says: “Ms Hauiti...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • RSA thanks NZ for $1.7m collected during Poppy Appeal
    The RSA today announced that over $1.7 million was donated to the 2014 Poppy Appeal for the support of veterans, ex-service men and women and their families in need....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Students encouraged to be brave and never give up
    Students encouraged to be brave and never give up if they want to 'make it happen'...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • New Zealanders want to pay more to protect dolphins
    A report released this week shows a large majority of New Zealanders want Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins protected and they are prepared to pay for it....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
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