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What the hell is the sub-prime crisis?

Written By: - Date published: 10:46 am, March 19th, 2008 - 48 comments
Categories: economy, housing, International - Tags: , ,

The sub-prime crisis is at the heart of the world’s current economic problems. It all boils down to financiers playing fast and loose with the rules of how money works, and the US government not keeping an eye on them.

Essentially, they created a whole new class of interest-bearing pieces of paper that were supposedly backed up by the payments from sub-prime mortgages. These are mortgages banks had lent to people who couldn’t really afford their mortgages because the banks had stacks of savings from China and the Middle East they needed to lend to make profit. Inevitably, it all went to custard. Now, US banks are collapsing, they’re going into recession, and we’ll probably avoid recession but it will be a close thing.

Finance, with derivatives and options all that, is complicated but these new pieces of paper (CDOs) are so complicated even most financiers didn’t understand them. Fortunately, we have a cartoon to explain (best viewed on full screen):

For those more audibly inclined, here is a very good

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[6MB mp3] with economist and writer Max Fraad Wolff, former investment banker and journalist Nomi Prins and mortgage analyst and activist Josh Zinner interviewed by economics commentator Doug Henwood on the subject. They put the blame where it belongs – international finance speculators.

I wonder what former international finance speculator, John Key, would have to say about the root cause of the crisis that is threatening not just the US economy but ours?

48 comments on “What the hell is the sub-prime crisis?”

  1. IrishBill 1

    Like John says, let the market decide. And this time the market decided to screw us. What a surprise.

  2. Ruth 4

    The panic here is overblown. The offshore opinion is rather different, and you can’t get any economists here who are not either employed by banks, selling their book, or have an axe to grind.

    We have got 100bn a day going through NZ – it is viewed as one of the best places in the world to invest.

    Yes there will be some blowback, but don’t be dragged into the pessimism – I have yet to figure out why people find bad news appealing. Many would like to see this country go down the toilet it seems – so maybe they can blame Clark, Cullen, RBNZ, capitalism, Muslims – whateva.

  3. John Key may have to say a whole lot about the subprime crisis, but he won’t because it would implicate him in the whole sordid affair.

    John Key’s career reads like a who is who of the subprime perpetrators.
    When he started with the Bankers trust he became the head of the forex department after a while but I think that he worked in the bonds and derivatives bussiness as well.
    He was the account manger for a guy called Andrew Krieger when this man was playing fast and loose with the NZ dollar in 1987.
    The Banker trust is the bank par exelance who pioneered the asset baked paper and junkbond business. They knew the product was crap but that didn’t stop them from pedeling it to corporations like proctor and gamble. When P&G caught on to the fraud they sued and got the taped recording from the BT http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/interesting-reads/the-bankers-trust-tapes/
    Why do I think John Key operated in this market? Well, on his website he states that one of his functions with Merrill Lynch was the head of the European bonds and derivatives department. Thase are exactly the products that are now causing the subprime financial collapse. Take a look at this video and you’ll know how they went about it http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/interview-with-an-investment-banker/
    Additionally read the 5 part financial tsunami series
    http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/the-financial-tsunami-the-preeminent-role-of-new-york-banks-and-wall-street-investment-banks/
    I don’t think you would become the head of such a department with out knowing exactly what is going on don’t you think?
    JK makes it look like he was not involved with the American Financial market and he says on his wwebsite that he was a london banker, but on the Nation website you can find a speech he did for the American/New Zealand Friendships association. He states that he lived in New York of and on for 6 years and that two people he hired died in the attacks of 911. This puts him New York and Wall street with a bank that was involved in the Enron Scandal and is a major player in the subprime collapse. In 1999 he was on of only four Forex dealers who was invited to be an advisor to the Federal Reserve of NY. In the same year the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 was repealed which used to prohibit Commercial banks and investment banks to merge. It was the start of the artificial housing bubble.
    Stiglitz categorically states that the Federal reserve under Greenspan consiously started the latest bubble knowing full well what the end result would be.
    15 finance companies died last year in NZ alone, 4 billion is wiped off the state surplus, 1.7 billion of the pension fund, 2 billion ripped of from small mom and pop investors. Nation should be howling with righteous indignation about the fact that those people were not protected against unscruplulous investors, they would make an electoral killing, Yet not peep from them.
    Is it possible that John Key’s career could not stand the ensuing investigations and that he would be exposed for what he really is; an unscrupulous financial predator, who is send back to NZ by his banking and corporate mates to rape the countries assets and resources. I would love to ask him don’t you?

  4. higherstandard 6

    Trav

    So this is going to be the Standards next attack on Key – that he is at the heart of the sub prime crisis ….. methinks you have lost the plot.

  5. “The offshore opinion is rather different, and you can’t get any economists here who are not either employed by banks, selling their book, or have an axe to grind”

    Huh, what about all the independent forecasters like Berl, NZIER, and of course Infometrics. These organisations have taken a more moderate stance on credit crunches impact on NZ. Also Westpac have remained reasonably positive about the economy, even when they have been faced with rising wholesale rates.

  6. insider 8

    Trav

    You left out the bit on Jewish bankers and that he is part Jewish…

  7. Tane 9

    insider – too far.

  8. insider 10

    Tane

    It was irony – every other conspiracy was in there.

    Steve

    I listened to the radio peice above and there was no mention of money speculators – which I take to mean people trading the differences btween different currencies. It is all about structured finance vehicles which developed to make money from low interest rates and the overconsumption/over lending in the US, and the misrepresentation and misselling of the loans that backed them. I struggled to hear reference to any international dimension.

    Seems another distortion to make a cheap political point.

  9. Matt – care to discuss NZIER’s funding?

    insider – jeez is that the best you can do? Try harder mate, I know you’ve got it in you.

    HS – it’s “standard’s” (the apostrophe is possessive – how did you ever pass communications english?). Other than that see my comment to insider.

  10. “Matt – care to discuss NZIER’s funding?”

    NZIER’s funding – well their forecasts are funded from a trust aren’t they? Isn’t it part of their public good work. Furthermore they sell their forecasts to businesses in order to help make business decisions. They definitely aren’t tied to credit market interests as much as the banks – which was the point I was trying to raise.

  11. higherstandard 13

    Sod

    No it’s “Standard’s” capitalisation necessary I believe. Didn’t have communications English when I was at school just plain old fashioned English.

  12. So med school prior to the early nineties then?

  13. big bruv 15

    The sub prime crisis is what happens when you lend to Democrats or Labour voters.

  14. And another fine contribution from Bruv – don’t you have some flies to pull the wings off or something you thick bastard?

  15. I give you facts and you Higherstandard and Insider give me crap?
    I state facts and all of a sudden I am “the Standard” just because I wrote a comment. Honey, if you can’t stand the facts than give me yours but don’t give me crap. And you Insider, as far as I know the CEO of Merril Lynch who was John Key’s boss at the time was a black guy and most of the bankers are White Anglo Saxon protestants Waspies in other words.
    George Herbert Walker Bush’s daddy financed Hitler, but oh, wait, you are right, the Rockefeller family and the Rothchild family are Jewish and they financed Hitler too. Greed must run in every race of human beings Jews included. Again debate me on the facts, not with silly sad ad hominems, but boy, I hope you read as much as I do. Because I’m ready to take you on.

    Kind regards

    Evelyn Gilbert

  16. Higherstandard 18

    Dear Eve

    Your post signed off with the comment

    John Key’s career could not stand the ensuing investigations and that he would be exposed for what he really is; an unscrupulous financial predator, who is send back to NZ by his banking and corporate mates to rape the countries assets and resources. I would love to ask him don’t you?

    I treat these kind of ‘facts’ with the same contempt as those from the other side of the political specturm when they make comment about Helen Clark and Peter Davis’ sexuality – it is all complete bunkum.

    Grow up !!

  17. insider 19

    robsod

    can you point to the part of the panel discussion where they “put the blame where it belongs – international finance speculators.” It’s 50mins long but I didn’t hear any mention of it.

    what I did hear was a lot of discussion about misselling of loans and misrepresentation of securitisations. No currency trading at all. Perhaps your ears are better than mine.

  18. Dale 20

    So clearly Irish the market should be crushed and controlled by communism. You may not realise that it is H1 and H2 in charge not Jon.Or are you too full of St Pats.

  19. Insider – I don’t see any mention of currency speculation in Steve’s post. I’d class the sub-prime bubble as financial speculation gone wrong (as would those in the interview) so I can’t quite see your point…

  20. You should set yourself some higher standards Higherstandard,

    The complete sentence is not a fact and not presented as such, it is a question. the complete quote is:

    Is it possible that John Key’s career could not stand the ensuing investigations and that he would be exposed for what he really is; an unscrupulous financial predator, who is send back to NZ by his banking and corporate mates to rape the countries assets and resources. I would love to ask him don’t you?

    I have a lot of questions for John Key, you can find them here: http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/questions-i-would-like-john-key-to-answer/

    And as far as growing up is concerned sweety, I’m 51 years old and I have probably seen more politicians coming and going than you, and again what is it with these sad little ad hominems.

  21. Occasional Observer 23

    Robinsod

    Saying the sub-prime bubble is financial speculation gone wrong, and Steve’s implication that John Key is responsible because he was a financial speculator, is like saying totalitarianism was political science gone wrong, and therefore Helen Clark is responsible for Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, and Josef Stalin.

    If anybody made that last statement they would be laughed off the Standard. Trying to smear John Key is just silly.

  22. Higherstandard 24

    Eve

    I have looked at you site and I would encourage everyone else to do so.

    Congratulations on your recent half century.

  23. Higherstandard 25

    Eve or Travellerev if you prefer

    I note another fascinating piece on your site

    http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/open-letter-to-the-hon-phil-goff/

    Do you think John Key is involved in this conspiracy as well

  24. randal 26

    the sub prime fiasco is just another bubble which inevitably follows an orgy of speculation or too much money. best never forget that the arbitrageurs take a turn going up and down and they dont really care. it never affects them if they are sufficiently well insulated and scruples ethics and morality are left far in the background when it comes to country estates, ivy league universities for the kids and any other limited goods they wish to purchase

  25. Higherstandard 27

    Rich pricks eh Randal

  26. You asked for this, Mate.

    I haven’t thought about it quit frankly, but I was in Sidney this weekend to visit the first 911 truth conference outside of the US. I was in excellent company. Apart from eminent scientists, Architects, Engineers, an Ex-director of the Star wars project under two US presidents, Yuki Fijita San, the leader of the biggest opposition party of Japan, the Democratic party, director of the committee for foreign relations and defence, and the shadow minister of Defence was there as well.
    He was not there as a single conspiracy nutter but as the representative of his party. He made several speeches about the subject and wants a new International investigation of the events of that day.
    I have in my wallet his calling card and permission to contact him with regards to the subject, and I have every intention to approach our politicians with this, since he would like to talk with them about the subject.
    He has travelled around the world for the last six weeks after making a formal presentation about this in the first meeting of the committee this year.
    Also present was the prime minister of Japan and several of his ministers. This was televised on prime time mainstream Japanese television. This is part 1 with English subtitles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3LMogcOuPI You will find the rest on that page as well.

    The fact that he could travel the world on this subject, meeting with Euro parliamentarians and Dutch, English and Norwegian high ranking politicians without being ridiculed and maligned should have been major News.
    Imagine, the second most powerful man, who might very well be the next prime minister of the second most powerful economic country in the world says openly that he has serious questions about the events of 911. This should be front page news, and yet I bet you knew nothing about it.
    What was it that John Key laughed about and ridiculed? Oh yeah: people accused the NZ Herald of being a big media conspiracy newspaper and involved in suppressing negative information about him and clearly being in support of National.
    I wonder, Fairfax, the owner of every single newspaper in New Zealand is owned for 10 percent by, ooops why am I not surprised; Murdoch!!!!

    You see, it is no longer just a conspiracy theory. Do we have all the answers? No, but
    thanks to scientists, architects, engineers, pilots, whistle blowers and other brave people it is now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the official story is scientifically impossible. http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

    The official story is the “conspiracy theory’ now.

    19 Arab (or any other race for that matter) with box cutters could not stand down the most expensive defence system in the world for more than two hours in the most protected airspace of the world.
    Steel framed buildings do not collapse into their own footprints in free fall speed merely because a plane with approximately a child’s swimming pool amount of kerosene burning inefficiently slams into it.
    Especially not the Twin towers, who were designed to withstand such an impact.
    Added to that I suggest that you watch the third building that collapsed that day, WTC7 http://www.ae911truth.org/ a little bit lower on the page on the right side, this is the site were Richard Gage has uploaded his PowerPoint presentation. Richard Gage is an architect who specializes in the design of steel framed buildings.
    I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions.

    I leave you with some more proven facts though: Merrill Lynch ,the bank John Key worked for until March 2001 was involved in a strange betting exercise just days before the events of 911 http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html#financial.
    WTC7 contained all the court papers and dossiers concerning the Enron scandal, Merrill Lynch was heavily involved in this scandal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Enron_scandal.

    John Key was one of only 4 advisers to the Federal reserve of New York. This is upon invitation only and he was invited to join in 1999. The year the housing bubble was set in motion. Every single bank these four people represented are now heavily involved in the sub prime crisis. Merrill Lynch, Lehman brothers, City bank and Wahlberg.
    Although John Key states that he was a London banker (far away from the Wall street grime and slime) he contradicts this in a speech available on the National website http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=10988 in commemoration of the events of 911 no less.
    That puts him right in the thick of it. You can’t get much higher in the food chain of the predatorial, dog eat dog, world that is International finance world.
    And let’s not forget that the federal reserve bank of New York is a private corporate entity. Watch “the Money masters’ or “Money as debt’ on my site.
    So if you think that you can get to were he got and still be an “innocent’ than I’ve got a rain forest in the middle of the Sahara I would like to sell to you.

    Was he involved in 911 I don’t know.
    Was the international finance world involved? Let’s put it this way. Buzzy Krongard was the director of the A.B Brown bank. This bank was bought by the Bankers trust Bank (a bank that John Key also worked for), granted this was 3 years after John Key left, but at the level John Key operated it is a very small world.
    Buzzy was involved with the CIA since 1998.
    His bank was heavily involved in insider trading in the days leading up to the events of 911.
    Buzzy became the Executive director of the CIA in March 2001, the same month by the way John Key left for New Zealand to be the new poster boy for National.
    If you consider Don Brash (a Banker) had close connections with the Neocon movement (Hollow men, Nicky Hager)and the “Project for a new America” the neocon group that hailed the 911 events as the “New pearl Harbour” that lead to the Afghanistan, and Iraq wars, and if you remember that both John Key and Don Brash were heavily involved in the “Breathren finance scandal’ than I think it is save to assume that he knows more than he is telling us.

    I hope you click on some of the links and I’m always ready for debate with facts and reason.
    Leave a comment on the Aotearoa site. I’m currently working on a forum on International finance and 911. I hope to see you lot there when it is up and running.

    Evelyn

  27. higherstandard 29

    Oh dear oh dear

    captcha – the hospitals………… Yes psychiatric I suggest would be a good place to start

  28. Occasional Observer 30

    Travellerev:

    Yukihisa Fujita is not the leader of the opposition in Japan. He is a fringe, junior member of the DPJ, which has never held the government benches. He is not a leader of any of the factions of the DPJ, let alone leader of the DPJ itself. He is not particularly prominent at all in Japanese politics. The DPJ holds just 113 seats in the House of Representatives, as opposed to 296 by the LDP.

    You’re not doing any favours to your whacko argument by claiming that Fujita is a likely future Japanese Prime Minister. He’s not the second most powerful man in Japan. He’s not even the 500th most powerful man in Japan.

    It isn’t difficult for minor politicians to meet senior European dignitaries. Retiring MPs Brian Connell, Katherine Rich, and Marian Hobbs will no doubt meet senior dignitaries on their farewell junket to eastern europe next month. That doesn’t make them the second most powerful people in New Zealand.

    You seem to try to make something of the fact that Don Brash may, or may not have, met Richard Armitage and Robert Zoellick. You ask what connections John Key has with Richard Armitage. I don’t know, and neither do you.

    But you might want to be careful here. Phil Goff has met Richard Armitage several times. http://usinfo.state.gov/sa/Archive/2004/Feb/02-128658.html . So too has Helen Clark.

    Helen Clark, Jim Sutton, and Phil Goff have all met Robert Zoellick on multiple occasions.

    Unfortunately, Travellerev, your wild-eyed, crackpot theories just don’t stack up. Perhaps if you at least tried to base some of them in facts, you’d get more traction.

  29. Higherstandard 31

    Eve

    I also remember Phil Goff lost a much loved nephew in Afghanistan so i would suggest sending him letters such as the one on your website is not only in very bad taste but hurtful in the extreme.

  30. Occasional Observer 32

    Oh, and you will note, Travellerev, that Helen Clark and Richard Armitage played key parts in the US-NZ Partnership Forum in Auckland just six months ago. Clark was a key-note speaker, and Armitage led a forum debate. Phil Goff participated in a forum debate, and Winston Peters delivered closing remarks.

    US Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill, also a “neo-con”, delivered a keynote address.

    John Key wasn’t present.

    Sounds like Goff, Clark, and Peters are in on this conspiracy, though. Maybe you should expose them, and try and get them to turn their backs on America. Instead, you should encourage New Zealand’s leaders to engage with the second emerging superpower, instead of the US. New Zealand should develop stronger relations with that peaceful, democratic, progressive, freedom-loving country to our North: How about China?

  31. Occasional Observer, what a pity you started out so well.
    Bang on the mark with what are presumable facts and than inexplicably you start calling me names again and you don’t attack me on the facts anymore. wacko theories, wild eyed conspiracies. Trust me I would feel whole lot better if Newton’s laws of motion and energy were expendable, I would feel a whole lot better knowing that 1.2 million Iraqis didn’t die because of a brutal conquest for oil, but because they simply “weren’t ready for democracy”. I would love to find that women in Afghanistan could take off their Burka’s but really they just don’t want to. I would really be happy to know that Phill Goff’s beloved nephew died honourably on the battlefield defending our freedoms instead of in another brutal and illegal war for resources and opium. And those people that lost their loved ones in New York and Washington would love to find out once and for all that their loved ones really did die as a result of an unprovoked terror attack by 19 Arabs with box cutters, but you know I know some of those people now and their pain is seared in my heart, and they don’t believe that is why their loved ones died. They had 70% of their questions not even looked into by the the Hamilton Kean commission. They hurt and it is not hard to face up to ridicule from people like you and if with every shitty remark from people like you there are 2 people who have the courage to look up the facts for themselves than that is worth it to me, and my fellow travellers.
    So if you can debunk the facts that make up the body of evidence that has been compiled over the years by scientists, architects, engineers, journalists and a multitude of private and military citizens from around the world than I would hugely indebted to you.
    But you know, I don’t think that you are able to.
    You’ll probably say something like I won’t dignify all that crap with an investigation on my part, but hey there you have it.

    I said I was ready to debate on facts. I will double check your statements with with regards to Mr. Fujita and will happily acknowledge defeat if they stand up. The democratic party as I just checked is still the second biggest party, of Japan I would not consider that fringe, but does it change what he has done and how it was perceived by the Japanese prime minister his ministers, the media. Well let’s see. If what you say is right and he is just a small fringe politician than it is all the more amazing that they gave him the time of day. It would have been so easy to laugh him out of politics if he was just fringe so why didn’t they.
    So let’s see the committee for foreign Affairs and Defence allows this small fringe politician to make a 30 minute presentation about the collapse of WTC7 in free fall speed (No official explanation has been given to this day)at the end of the day off 911 and about assorted other anomalies of that day. I gave the link so go watch it. Not only are they listening to him but the Prime minister of Japan and some of his cabinet are present to listen to this small fringe politician.
    In fact they are there to try and answer some of his questions. 25 Japanese citizens died that day.
    Not only that, the mainstream Japanese TV shows this presentation of this minor fringe politician on primetime TV.
    And still nobody throws this crazy wide eyed conspiracy nutter fringe
    Politician out of the party for damaging it with his unsubstantiated theories. In fact 30 of his colleagues thank him after his presentation and all want a new investigation.
    And than this crazy fringe politician goes on a world tour to meet with other politicians, and again no ridicule but sincere gratitude from both politicians and scientists for his courage to breach this controversial subject.

    About contacts between the Neocons and labour, if they had contacts with members of the neocon group who at the time had legitimate functions in which it was appropriate for members of the Governing party to have contacts that would be one thing. If they had contacts secretly to further a secret agenda than that yes indeed would be highly suspect and I no compunction about wanting to find out about that. In fact I can’t wait for Nicky Hagers new book, which is about Helen Clark I believe.

    One thing though. You guys keep saying that I have theories and that apparently I try to fit the evidence around this theory. The funny thing is that is exactly what the Bush Cabal did. It is people like us who say hang on minute: There was no yellow cake, Sadam had no weapons of mass destruction (Something Scott Ritter, weapons inspector, Republican marine said before the iraq war started) steel frame buildings don’t pulverize in free fall speed from a kerosene fire. All we are saying(70% of the American people want a new investigation) is that the official conspiracy is impossible. That’s all. It is tempting to theorise about what really must have happened but it is not our job to prove what really happened. We did our job, the official story can’t have happened, all we can do is spread the facts and hope more people wake up to this horrible truth.

    So don’t believe me, do your own research, and start by clicking on some of the links I gave you in the previous post.

  32. r0b 34

    In the interests of balance, re the 9/11 stuff, readers might also wish to consider: http://www.debunking911.com/

  33. Occasional Observer 35

    Travellerev:

    If you want facts, try holding back on some of your own rhetorical flourishes.

    Fact: You claimed Fujita is the leader of the opposition, and the “second most powerful man in Japan”. You asserted he could be the next PM of Japan. He isn’t the former, nor either of the latter. He’s a minor-ranking politician who has never held government office, in a party that has never been in government. I note that a number of conspiracy blogs promote Fujita as the “probable next Prime Minister of Japan”. That could not be further from the truth. Just because some conspiracy nuts promote him as such does not elevate him to that position.

    Fact: You claim it is exceptional that Fujita made a supposed 30-minute presentation to the Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee of the Diet. You claim it is exceptional that the Foreign Minister and Defence Minister were in attendance. It has been six and a half years since the 911 attacks. The Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee of the Diet has the power to summons anybody, including the PM and Foreign Minister. It has similar powers to a sub-committee of the US congress. Many US congressional members have questioned senior US officials about 911. Many have taken more than thirty minutes to do so. It is not exceptional, at all.

    Fact: You claim it is exceptional that the proceedings of the Diet were broadcast on Japanese television, “primetime”. This is untrue. NHK, Japan’s national broadcaster, broadcasts all proceedings of the Diet on its dedicated parliamentary channel. It was not aired, live, primetime, on the NHK’s main service.

    What you are claiming, effectively, travellerev, is that if Keith Locke questions the Prime Minister in the House, and if the House broadcasts that answer on Parliament TV, then the fact that the Prime Minister is forced to answer Keith Locke’s questions, and the fact that Parliamentary TV is broadcast live, demonstrates the veracity and the significance of Keith Locke’s questions. It doesn’t. You’ve joined a group of fringe whackos who have pounced on a minor politician, and are too ignorant to dissect the truth.

    You claim that it is significant that Fujita goes on a “world tour” to meet other politicians. As I wrote in my last post, it is not significant. Politicians go on junkets all the time. When Sue Bradford goes to Sydney to meet an Australian Green MP, she doesn’t get insulted by that Green MP. The fact that a Japanese politician was welcomed in another country, and treated with respect and civility, does not mean everybody he saw was impressed and convinced by his views. It probably means the people he saw were acting politely.

    Adolf Hitler and Neville Chamberlain met each other several times, and were civil and polite to each other. It doesn’t mean that they agreed with each others’ views.

    You don’t know who has had secret meetings with whom. All we know is that you have accused John Key of having secret meetings with American neo-conservatives, without any evidence. There, is, however, evidence that these same demonic neo-cons met privately with Labour ministers, including the ministers of trade, foreign affairs, and the Prime Minister.

    I have been very patient with you, travellerev, in refuting your silly arguments point by point. My conclusion is that you’re a crackpot.

  34. Still no debunking 911 facts. And again with the crackpot.
    Hit me were it really hurts. 911. facts to debunk me please.

    Don’t believe me, do your own research http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
    http://www.ae911truth.org/
    http://www.journalof911studies.com/
    http://crazyrichguy.wordpress.com/
    http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/

  35. r0b 37

    Travellerev, I don’t think the 9/11 conspiracy theories are of much interest to The Standard. Anyone interested should do their own reading. You have listed links outlining the various conspiracy theories. For balance I’ll list just two sites that critique these theories:

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

    http://www.debunking911.com/

    I in no way intend to debate these issues on The Standard, and I suggest that it is unlikely that anyone else will either. Debate regarding NZ politics is of course, all on!

  36. Oh r0b,

    I always forget. the kiwi bloke in general is soooo provincial. (It is mostly blokes talking here in case you hadn’t noticed)
    They still think that they are save because they are on an island far away from everything and they can afford to think only about their little patch of the world.

    I am talking NZ politics. New Zealand soldiers are far away from their families and their country as a result of 911. That should be part of this election. I am not talking conspiracy theories. I’m giving facts. If I’m right (and with me lots of scientists, architects, engineers, US military, etc. etc.) don’t you think that the Standard par excellence should be the place to discuss this?

    By the way, why is it that when I ask about debunking facts that yerks like you start saying that we should not discuss this subject. I would love people to go check the sites you gave and than check my sites. All you have to do is not write in on discussions like this if you don’t want to debate the subject.

  37. r0b 39

    I always forget. the kiwi bloke in general is soooo provincial. (It is mostly blokes talking here in case you hadn’t noticed)

    Indeed I have noticed Evelyn, but one shouldn’t make assumptions about any particular individual. Matter of fact I’m really a dog.

    yerks like you start saying that we should not discuss this subject.

    No need to be rude Evelyn. I didn’t say that we shouldn’t discuss 9/11 conspiracy theories, I said I didn’t think the topic was of much interest, and that it was unlikely that anyone would engage. I could be wrong of course.

  38. You know what is so interesting r0b,

    I got a lot of hits via this threat on my site. A lot of them link through to the pages dedicated to 911. Perhaps people are interested to really discuss the issues they just don’t care to do it it with people like you or higherstandard or occasionalobserver.
    I’ve been called a crackpot and told to book into a psychiatric ward here so perhaps that is not so inviting for other people. So the rudeness started elsewhere.
    I have been hurled insult after insult yet not a single argument has been put forth that debunks our scientific research into the events of that day. I’ve bullied and told to shut up about 911 by you lot yet not a single reasonable argument has been offered against our research pertaining to that day. Every debunking piece of crap has been thourougly debunked by scientists and intelligent reasearchers. In fact overall most of the victims and survivors are all clamouring for a new and independent investigation of 911.
    It should be of real interest to discuss the events because (I’m sure Occasionalobeserver will correct me on this like he did on mr. Fujita but funny enough not on the events of 911)some 65 families have loved ones in Afghanistan, and with the resurgence of the Taliban those people could be very much in harms way. They are there because of the events on 911. Thousands of Afghanistani have perished as a result of the Western invasion into their country. People are still dying everyday in that country because the west felt justified to attack Afghanistan even though it had nothing to do with the attacks of 911.
    1.2 million people were killed in Iraq 3 million people are homeless and on the run. Iraq had nothing to do whatsoever with the attacks of 911, and the US is preparing an attack on Iran. Another country that had nothing to do with 911. 911 Was the excuse used in every warmongering speech from officials in the US. 911 is the base of every misbegotten adventure that the US is dragging the world into. Over 4000 American soldiers have perished in Iraq, they are there because of 911. Thousands of soldiers coming back from the illegal war of aggression and theft of resources are coming back wounded and traumatized.40.000 first responders who were the heroes on the “Pile” are ill and dying because they inhaled the dust from those buildings. Thousands of New York children have developed asthma because they inhaled dust from the pulverized buildings
    It is in fact the starting point of the last housing bubble that is now imploding. With banking products developed by the Bankers trust, in the early nineties while John Key worked for them.
    While the world was dragged into war the bankers ripped the American and world economy apart. It should be the most important topic we discuss.

  39. higherstandard 41

    Eve

    I think the reason people don’t want to engage on this subject is that most of us believe the most plausable explanantion – that terrorists hijacked and flew planes into a number of buildings in the USA – many of these terrorists were trained by Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

    There is certainly vast amounts of evidence that this is what occured.

  40. OK, give me one piece of evidence,just one?

  41. higherstandard 43

    Bazant, Zdenek P. and Mathieu Verdure. “Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions” in Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, Volume 133, Issue 3, pp. 308-319 (March 2007). Bazant and Verdure write, “As generally accepted by the community of specialists in structural mechanics and structural engineering (though not by a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives), the failure scenario was as follows…” (continues with a four-part scenario of progressive structural failure).

  42. higherstandard 45

    The journal of 911 studies somehow I can’t really take any of this seriously Eve – although I’m impressed you have so much time to dedicate to conspiracy theories.

    Have a nice life

    Goodbye

  43. RedLogix 46

    r0b, HS,

    I’m going to back Evelyn on this one.

    I have spent months of my life reading about 9/11. I have reached the firm conclusion that we have not been told the truth about what really happened that day.

    In the absence of the truth and much in the way of firmly corroborated evidence, there has been a lot of speculation. By it’s very nature speculation is a hit or miss affair. Some of it is plain wrong, some of it is interesting, but dubious…. and some of it is perfectly irrefutable.

    There is no one plank on which the 9/11 story rests. There is in fact a multitude of them. Far too many to even so much as briefly list in one post. No-one owes you the truth; you have to work to reach a position that makes plausible sense in your own mind… and in the end I determined that of all the “9/11 conspiracy theories”, the so-called official version is the most crazy of them all.

    I’m not going to try and debate it here. For one, this is a NZ political blog site and probably not the most receptive forum for it. For another, it’s all been done elsewhere and I’m not going to re-type other people’s work for the fun of it. But mostly, because I know from bitter experience, this is a topic so taboo that most people simply do not want to think about it, much less debate it with an open mind.

    After all, who the hell wants to be told that maybe, just maybe they had been rooting for the bad guys all along?

  44. r0b 47

    r0b, HS,

    I’m going to back Evelyn on this one.

    Fine RL, go for it. To each their own!

  45. Hi RedLogic,

    It is good to know there is someone else out there who has done his homework.
    I have to disagree with you though on the self censure.
    The Standard has a fairly stringent moderating policy. I know because comments I made have been censured before because they weren’t entirely on topic.
    In fact Insider gets a ticking of because he mentioned John Key’s Jewish ancestry in this thread. So we know that Tane is moderating this thread. I always abide by the moderators wishes, but so far we have been allowed this thread to develop as it has. So we have to assume that there is some interest in the subject. I therefore will keep the thread alive. I think that 911 is the most important event in all our lives whether you like it or not. That was the moment the world was hijacked and we are part of that world, therefore we should discuss it even if it is with morons who refuse to look at the evidence we give them.
    As they say you can bring a horse to water but you can not make it drink.
    As we write here other people read this and I get hits to my sites, and as far as I’m concerned every soul we can wake up in this sleepy little country is a help.

    aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com
    crazyrichguy.wordpress.com

    To the morons: I have no theories as to who did it, I only know the official “conspiracy theory” is a load of impossible bunkum. S.C.I.E.N.T.I.F.I.C.A.L.L.Y. impossible.
    The NIST Bazant rapport stops at the moment of collapse. It gives no explanation as to how two 110 story buildings could pulverize in 8.9 seconds, it does not even mention the third building that collapsed that day. To this day they have yet to give an explanation for the 6.8 second collapse of that building. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?
    Have you even looked at the PDF’s I linked too?
    Because they completely rip the NIST apart based on S.C.I.E.N.C.E
    What is it you are so scared off to contemplate (And this of course is purely conjecture, since we have not had an independent investigation) the unthinkable: Factions in the US power structure decided that it was time to get their hands on the oil and in order to get the world to comply (NZ has soldiers in Afghanistan and that makes it NZ politics as far as I’m concerned, by the way) they killed three thousand people from all over the world. Get it!

    I have been very patient with you patronizing sods but man, get reading already.

    Oh by the way, with the help of my husband of twenty years, I am able to work full time on this. I have been for the last two years. I have studied every single paper written on this, I have seen every film made about the 911 events. It took me months to admit that perhaps it wasn’t 19 Arabs with boxcutters. I know some of the Scientists, Architects, Engineers and Military and Journalists and Filmers who make up the 911 truth movement. Like them, all I want is a new independent investigation. Nothing more, nothing less.

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  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • A brief word on why Wendyl Nissen is a hero
    Wendyl Nissen is a hero. The sleazy black ops attack on her by Slater and Odgers on behalf of Grocery Council chief executive Katherine Rich is sick. All Nissen is doing in her column is point out the filth and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • She saw John Key on TV and decided to vote!
    . . NZ, Wellington, 15 September – ‘Tina’* is 50, a close friend,  and one of the “Missing Million” from the last election. In fact, ‘Tina’ has never voted in her life.  Not once. In ‘Tina’s’ own words, politics has...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Eminem sues National Party for unlawful use of ‘Lose yourself’ bhahahah...
    …ahahahahahahahaha. Oh Christ this is hilarious… National Party sued over Eminem copyright infringment US rapper Eminem is suing the National Party for allegedly breaching copyright by using his song Lose Yourself in its campaign advertisements. The Detroit-based publishers of Eminem’s...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Are the Greens about to be snookered by a Labour-NZ First Government?
    I wrote last week that it was smart politics that the Greens pointed out they could work with National, the soft blue vote that’s looking for a home in the wake of Dirty Politics isn’t going to Labour, so the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
    For the past four years I, like 500,000 other New Zealanders, have been illegally smoking cannabis for medicinal purposes and/or even just for the occasional laugh with friends on the weekend. We don't hurt anybody, we don't cause nuisance, we...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
    Responding to the Fairfax article that taxpayers are extending another $103 million to keep Solid Energy afloat, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
    People across New Zealand continue to express their disgust at the downgrading of Invermay, says Dunedin North MP David Clark, as the Save Invermay petition he instigated earlier this year topped the 10,000 signature mark just days before the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
    Garth McVicar stated at a public meeting last week that he would fight to retain a 24/7 Police Station in Napier and no reduction in the number of police staff for the Hawkes Bay region, some said he was simply...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
    Internet MANA urges New Zealanders to use their party vote to confront corruption in any new government....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Election day is tomorrow – make sure you’re a part of it!
    Tomorrow, Saturday 20 September, is election day, and New Zealanders’ last chance to have a say on who leads the country for the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Is the Shape of our Government out of the hands of Voters?
    In the last stuff.co.nz / Ipsos Political Poll before Saturdays election, National is down 5.1% to 47.7% and Labour up 3.7% to 26.15%. These results are remarkably similar to the 2011 election where National received 47.3% of the vote and...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
    Internet MANA is drawing on the courage and integrity of New Zealand women on Suffrage Day – Friday, September, 19 – to encourage them to pay tribute to the spirit of their foremothers who gained women the vote....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
    Māori Television’s KOWHIRI 2014 – ELECTION SPECIAL kicks off at 7.00pm this Saturday with a five-hour broadcast focusing on the Māori electorates....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Judge’s Decision Disappoints Fish & Game
    Today’s decision to give a Temuka man 100 hours of community service for selling sports fish to the public has disappointed Fish & Game, which believes the sentence handed down was “too lenient and will not go far enough to...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Cutting-Edge Graphics Fire up TV3’s Election Night Coverage
    TV3’s Election Night coverage, hosted by John Campbell, will be enhanced by cutting-edge graphics that will showcase the night’s results....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt rushes to open charter schools in New Year
    The government’s decision to approve four new charter schools last week to open in January next year goes against the Minister of Education’s own advice that the schools ought to have at least a year’s preparation time....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • 7 Days And Jono And Ben at Ten Hijack Election Weekend
    The 7 Days and Jono and Ben at Ten (JABAT) comedians are running their own version of election coverage, with a schedule of entertainment and comedy across TV3, Kiwi FM, the web and social media this Friday and Saturday under...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Fewer Prisoners Equals Less Crime
    In its latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and other Crazy Stuff’,’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html , Rethinking Crime and Punishment urges government to rethink its approach to releasing prisoners. “The public expectation is that the excellent reductions in the crime...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar slams his political opponents
    I want a safe and prosperous society and that can only be achieved if we have strong and vi-brant families – McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Falling economic growth – wage rises overdue
    “The lower GDP growth in the three months to June is further evidence that growth has peaked. New Zealand’s economy is on the way down to mediocre growth rates,” says CTU economist Bill Rosenberg. “Yet wage rises are still weak...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Get Out and Vote campaign a success
    Tens of thousands of workers from all around New Zealand have embraced the Get Out and Vote campaign and have created their own personalised voting plan, the CTU said today. “With three days of voting left in the 2014 General...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Animal Research Failing – So Do More Animal Research?
    Victoria University of Wellington is about to host a lecture on why the success rates of pharmaceutical development is so low and what can be done about it. The New Zealand Anti-Vivisection Society (NZAVS) welcomes discussion on this important...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ALCP welcomes Prime Minister’s cannabis comments
    Mr Abbott's comments came on the same day as New South Wales and Victoria states announced they would be doing clinical trials of cannabis....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Conservative Party Press Secretary Resignation
    The Conservative Party is given to understand that this morning Press Secretary, Miss Rachel Macgregor resigned althought no formal advice of this has yet been received....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • By ACT’s logic, Epsom should vote for Conservative Candidate
    “Polling released late in the campaign shows that ACT is a busted flush and that by ACT’s own logic, centre-right Epsom voters should vote for the Conservative candidate”, says Labour candidate for Epsom Michael Wood....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New online medical system
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