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World smells 100% pure bullshit

Written By: - Date published: 6:40 am, August 7th, 2013 - 223 comments
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We’re living a lie in New Zealand. We tell ourselves and we tell the world that we’re this amazingly environmentally conscious and sustainable country when, in fact, we’ve turned most of it into a giant farm, most of the rivers are unsafe to swim due to the farm run-off, and it would be worse, we just haven’t had the time. The Fonterra scandal may be the final straw for the 100% Pure slogan.

Of course, John Key says that 100% Pure is just a brand and everyone knows that we’re not an untouched virgin land. Well, maybe, but when you go to the world and market yourself on your nature and your cleanliness, people are going to, with justification, expect you to live up to the promise.

What the world is seeing with this latest Fonterra scandal is that New Zealand isn’t all it makes itself out to be. The damage isn’t just to Fonterra, it’s our whole brand – the whole reason that people prefer New Zealand goods and choose to visit New Zealand unravelling. We are losing the trust of the people we trade with on the very point that is our competitive advantage.

Already, scathing editorials are being written on the back of the Fonterra scandal pointing out that the 100% Pure brand is not just a marketer’s exaggeration, it’s 100% Bullshit.

And it’s the lose of that brand, or rather the trust that got people to buy into that brand, which will hurt New Zealand long after the Fonterra scandal dies. But we have no-one to blame but ourselves. We’ve been living a lie and telling the rest of the world that lie, too.

223 comments on “World smells 100% pure bullshit”

  1. logie97 1

    …and we have it being suggested that the Stock exchange do an investigation into the “delay” in reporting this to the share holders. The shareholders should be the last to know in the scheme of things, surely.

  2. Janice 2

    How many millions/billions will the companies/businesses that have been affected by this blunder sue Fonterra for, and who will pay? Farmers or taxpayers?

    • SpaceMonkey 2.1

      It’s ok… Fonterra is TBTF… the Government we will bail them out.

      • Colonial Viper 2.1.1

        Corporate welfare for the good of the country (well, the top 1%)

        • srylands 2.1.1.1

          Fonterra’s success benefits us all.

          • tc 2.1.1.1.1

            yes and we aren’t paying too much for local milk…..wasn’t that a shonkey inquiry also ?

          • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.1.2

            No it doesn’t as our ever more polluted streams and waterways prove. The Dead Zone off the mouth of the Waikato River is one of the bigger ones in the world.

            • Blue 2.1.1.1.2.1

              So what do you do? Close down a $20 billion company. If that’s the plan you need to have something to replace it with, that provides the same income. The impact on our economy would be catastrophic as it is 13% of our GDP. The direct and indirect jobs reliant on this company number in the thousands.

              • QoT

                Because our choices are absolutely limited to “the industry as it currently is” and “no industry at all”.

    • Lan 2.2

      Well, according to a comment article on the NZ Herald site, the “farmers” aren’t too fussed about the whole thing. Such complacency. Unbelievable! And I am long term self employed, including agricultural matters. I would be extremely fussed about Fonterra business behaviour (misbehaviour) myself if I had a dairy investment.

  3. Dv 3

    Will this cause a problem for the Meridian float?

    Will the overseas buyers of Meridian look at NZ and ask is the country a ‘safe’ investment?

    • AmaKiwi 3.1

      The global financial crisis of 2008 exposed the world credit system as a house of cards.

      Greed induces drunken blindness. The world financial system is WORSE today than it was only 5 years ago. Then banks were mortgaged up to their eyeballs, failed, and had to be bailed out by governments. Today governments and the EU are mortgaged beyond anything they can ever repay. But the drunks keep lending and borrowing.

      The question is, “Can Meridian can be sold off before the bubble bursts?” Timing is everything.

  4. One Anonymous Knucklehead 4

    Key doesn’t get it: the Reuters article quotes him as saying “The right answer is for New Zealand to be absolutely sure that the safety standards are met…”

    Standards. The “high trust model” eh John.

  5. infused 5

    That should be the title for thestandard…

    I await the ban ;)

    It’s typical of these posts though… it’s just a whine. So? What are you going to do about it then Eddie?

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      Fascinating you are so unconcerned about the economic fall out from China around this incident, and the mismanagement which led to it.

      • BM 5.1.1

        So what would the left propose we do.?
        How to we reclaim this 100% pure, a standard we’ve never had.

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1

          So you admit the slogan was a lie from the outset?

          • BM 5.1.1.1.1

            Of course it is.

            Anyone is knows anything about NZ would realize it’s complete horse shit.

            Good marketing slogan though and kudos to Labour for getting it underway.

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1.1.1

              So all that has happened is that the Chinese are calling us out on our BS. Which is what the title of the post is about, idiot.

            • Tom Gould 5.1.1.1.1.2

              I saw a guy, yesterday, flick a cigarette but into a drain on Queen Street. Which puts the lie to the whole 100% Pure scam. On the other hand, perhaps it is just a branding slogan? Like “I’m lovin’ it”? Or “Just do it”? Or “the Ultimate Driving Machine”? Come the think of it, how many newly rich Chinese BMW drivers have just realised they were conned, that it isn’t actually the ultimate driving machine, and now want their money back? Where’s the China Daily editorial slating those lying Germans?

              • BM

                Lying German scum, they need to be outed !!!

              • Colonial Viper

                Seems you think that the standing of a nation is somehow similar in importance to a corporate marketing slogan.

                • Populuxe1

                  Seems like you can’t tell the difference. For example take any Chinese political slogan and compare it to the reality

                  • Colonial Viper

                    How about “we’re the manufacturing centre of the world and have trillions in forex reserves”

                    Oh whooops that’s true

                    • Populuxe1

                      It’s more your glee in siding with an epic totalitarian environmental and human rights abuser that offens me

              • TheContrarian

                “I saw a guy, yesterday, flick a cigarette but into a drain on Queen Street. Which puts the lie to the whole 100% Pure scam.”

                Not sure 100% Pure was meant to ever suggest people in NZ don’t litter or that NZ doesn’t face issues of waste management and storm water run-off like other developed nations.

                • Plan B

                  It does not matter what we think the slogan means, it only matters what others think it means, They clearly think of it as more than just puffery they think it is real and that we are letting it down. For many we were the place that was still pure, that was how the world was meant to be. A better place. A cleaner place- maybe a fantasy for them, or an ideal or something. It also said that we could be trusted so our food could be trusted.
                  We were custodians for this ideal and we let everybody down- including ourselves.

              • insider

                BMW is recalling 150k cars in China right now. There goes Germany’s reputation as an engineering leader…

                • vto

                  Hardly surprising – bmw is rich man’s cortina

                  • insider

                    Ouch!

                  • KJT

                    Probably true, but it is still the best car to drive, of any I have owned.

                    Like riding on rails.

                    And runs on an oily rag. Much less gas than our same size mitsi.

                    Almost worth the high price of parts.

                    Not to mention the wealth redistribution. Keeping mechanics employed. :-)

        • Lanthanide 5.1.1.2

          Well, perhaps we should start listening to Green Party policies, eh, instead of National? Surely that would be a good start?

          • BM 5.1.1.2.1

            Dung for dinner and cavorting druids, I’ll pass on that.

            • Tinfoilhat 5.1.1.2.1.1

              If you can drag yourself away from personal prejudices and preconceptions you might actually be surprised.

              https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/agriculture-and-rural-affairs-policy-towards-sustainability

              • BM

                Are there any successful large scale dairy farms operating within NZ that follow Green principles.?

                An example that can be shown to farmers that demonstrates a feasible and practical alternative.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Of course there are. Several owned by foreigners.

                  • BM

                    Where?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Look it up mate, not your researcher

                    • BM

                      I thought you may know off the top of your head.

                      If the Greens do want people to change they need to provide case studies, just bleating at people to change while offering no viable alternative is rather pointless.

                      If the Greens can demonstrate to farmers how to change from a traditionally run farm to a green principled farm without bankrupting themselves and cutting their income in half they’d get a lot more traction.

                      Farmers are practical people, you have to provide working practical solutions.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Interestingly accurate comment from you, BM.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Bit behind the times aren’t you BM? The information you’re referring to is more-or-less ubiquitous.

                    • vto

                      Alternative for farmers to what BM? You are missing a huge entire block of what you are talking about and rendering your point valueless.

                    • BM

                      Alternative to what.?
                      Thought that would be fairly obvious but I’ll spell it out.

                      Farmer runs farm in traditional manner(phosphates,etc)
                      Farmer milks cows and sells milk for money
                      Farmer uses money to feed family and pay bills

                      Alternative

                      Farmer runs farm along green principles
                      Farmer milks cows and sells milk for money
                      Farmer uses money to feed family and pay bills

                    • vto

                      Clearly, the alternative to green principles is non-green principles.

                      Non-green principles are what have been used for the last 150 years and have resulted in the environmental degradation that has now become so apparent and unavoidable.

                      If you keep going with the non-green approach then you will obviously eat up all of the environment until there is none left and the entire system will collapse. This is what has happened for example with draining the great artesian basin in central Australia. And with the dust bowls of central USA in decades past. And with so many of our own rivers. And recently beginning to destroy Canterbury’s drinking aquifers. These realities are the result of your “traditional (phosphate etc)” non-green farming principles.

                      So when you say that farmers must necessarily follow current practices “to continue to feed the family” unless they are offered an alternative which provides the same level of “continuing to feed the family (and drive the latest hilux)” then they are taking society with them down a dead-end road of destruction (as has been proved over the last 150 years)

                      Your alternative (the status quo) is not an alternative. This is the point where you posts above fall apart at the seams. The farmers have no choice but to switch to green principles. There is no choice because the alternative (status quo) is simply continuing down “Oblivion Road” and there aint no turning circle at the end.

                      kapiche?

                    • weka

                      Are there any successful large scale dairy farms operating within NZ that follow Green principles.?

                      An example that can be shown to farmers that demonstrates a feasible and practical alternative.

                      You really need to educate yourself BM. It depends on what you mean by large scale of course. Large industrial dairy is by it’s nature polluting and unsustainable, as is exporting milk powder is China.

                      But here is an example of a medium sized, family run organic dairy farm, that is economically viable in that it enables the family to make a living and provides employment beyond that. As well as a dairy farm, they also make dairy foods on the property (yoghurt, cream etc) and sell into South Island supermarkets and health food retailers.

                      http://www.clearwaterorganic.co.nz/our-farm.php

                      There is no reason that NZ agriculture cannot shift to sustainable methods of farming and economics.

                    • BM

                      Ye I agree dumping tons and tons of phosphate on the land is dumb business especially since 95% + is wasted.

                      There was quite an interesting article about some soil scientist who moved over from Dutchland or Switzerland and has a small farm up north.
                      He offers farmers in the area free advice on how to run their farms without the need of massive amounts of phosphates.

                      The farmers love him because he’s practical and offers an viable alternative.
                      As one farmer they interviewed said “it’s great to hear from some one other than the sales rep from Ravensdown who can provide another point of view and technical input”

                      This is where the greens could really make in roads and increase their vote but unfortunately, they don’t want to work with National.

                      Farmers vote blue, not red.

                    • vto

                      Ahaa, so you do recognise that current farming practices must change to green principles…. excellent… And yep, it is hardly wise to believe any sales rep provides the full picture on their own sector. And remember too that Ravensdown is a coop, owned by the farmers, so they also have an additional financial incentive to continue current practices.

                    • weka

                      There is no way in hell that NACT would support sustainable agriculture in NZ, because you can’t make shit loads of money from it. You can make a decent enough living for Kiwis, but that’s not enough for greedy people like Key and co. That’s why the GP can’t work with NACT.

                    • insider

                      You’re just speaking out of prejudice weka. Go and Check the mpi website and you’ll see a range of research and farming advice offered. I’ve seen stuff there promoting low nitrogen farming models.big problem is they require more work even though they can provide a better return on capital.

                    • weka

                      Provide me a link to something specific infused, and I’ll do you an analysis of whether it is sustainable or not. Low nitrogen on its own doesn’t cut it I’m afraid.

                    • insider

                      That was just an example of one I know of. If you go to the sustainable farming fund section you’ll see more. You can check the research papers too. Plenty going on.

                    • weka

                      The problem infused is that you think something that is ‘low nitrogen’ is an example of sustainable farming. It’s not. Sorry but I’m not going to follow some vague trail of yours in that regards when you don’t appear to know what sustainability is. Put up some links of NACT initiated sustainable farming and I’ll have a look.

                      (various govt departments are and have always been involved in parts of the sustainability sector, but my statements still stands. NACT themselves are philosophically and in practice opposed to sustainability because it is inherently incompatible with making shitloads of money).

                    • weka

                      Sorry, insider.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Farmers are practical people, you have to provide working practical solutions.

                      This may come as a surprise but looking for alternative ways is actually part of the farmers job.

                    • tricledrown

                      blinkered Monetarist the Canterbury plains it was on country calender last year.
                      The farm had much lower overheads and was whey more profitable!

                • vto

                  Sheesh BM, the cowshit is flowing from you this morning….

                  “Are there any successful large scale dairy farms operating within NZ that follow Green principles.? An example that can be shown to farmers that demonstrates a feasible and practical alternative.”

                  An alternative to what BM? This is exactly the point. Do you know what you are talking about? An alternative to what?

                • tc

                  checkout ‘country calendar’, I’ve seen a few on there.

                  They realised their land/animals weren’t doing well, they make a better return as they don’t spend money on the fertiliser/animal welfare costs and have extra diversity with products like free range eggs.

                  Fonterra didn’t help by abandoning the organic milk premium pricing but it’s still worth their while and there’s always Open country/tatua etc after high quality milk.

                  • KJT

                    Plenty of farmers are doing the right things for the environment.

                    Losing expensive fertilizer down the creek is not good business, after all.

                    However, too many, are not.

                    Like the developers who only want to build top of the range houses, I think part of the problem is the high price and high cost of borrowing for land.

                    You have to farm intensively to make a return.

                    Farming is another place where sustainable improvements depend on getting land prices down towards reality, and young sharemilkers and farm hands into their own place, where they have an interest in making it sustainable long term, for their kids.

                    Corporate farming. Like every other business run on our current shareholding, managerial cult, corporate model, is entirely focused on short term gains.

                    Some of the old farmers, I used to know, took pride in how we looked after our land in New Zealand. I am sure they are turning in their graves these days.

                    • Macro

                      it’s not just the fertilizer down the creek – it’s the cow shit as well.
                      A normal sized dairy herd has the equivalent effluent discharge of a small sized town 3500 people. With increasing production from same sized land area – this means increasing effluent to be dealt with. It’s not always possible to just pump it onto the paddock….
                      Large amounts end up in our waterways.

                • Macro

                  http://www.gvd.co.nz/greenvalleydairies/organic.html

                  http://www.heb.co.nz/about-us/history.aspx third paragraph from the bottom

                  “The Pulman family remains the owner of HEB Construction Ltd. The family have other business interests including Marphona Farms and Green Valley Dairy. They are associated with a number of charitable trusts to whom “HEB” gives freely of its time and financial support. “HEB” is committed to giving back to the communities in which we participate.”

                  this is the largest biodynamic dairy farm in the southern hemisphere….

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.2.1.2

              The world is running out of affordable resources. We need to go Green now in order to avoid some very negative outcomes for very large numbers of people.

              • infused

                Won’t happen until we run out. You know that.

                Each time we come remotely close, something else comes along (fracking).

                • insider

                  Bloody people with their cursed ingenuity. How dare they find non Darwinian solutions

                  • Populuxe1

                    Indeed. Why don’t they just have to common decency to roll over and die for Malthus.

                    • Galeandra

                      Three Nactoids all in a row!!
                      So ok, frackers, have a look at this report of Mark Papa’s(Chair of EOG) comment (sourced from The Automatic Earth. )

                      http://theautomaticearth.com/Energy/shale-is-a-pipedream-sold-to-greater-fools.html

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      /facepalm

                      They’re not bypassing the limits like you think they are, they’re just making it so that there will be even more death. The world will go on – with or without us or the species that we make extinct in the process of making the world uninhabitable for ourselves.

                    • Populuxe1

                      Galeandra, I have never voted for Nact in my life. Actually almost always Labour until they got too neoliberal and I shifted to NZF.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining#Proposed_mining_projects

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Indeed. Why don’t they just have to common decency to roll over and die for Malthus.

                      Malthus was caught out by a single factor which he hadn’t anticipated: a 250 year period of cheap dense energy from fossil fuels.

                      We’re about 210 years through it now. 40 years to go (optimistically. After which fossil fuels will still be somewhat available but only for the elite). Fracking will see us grind through the next decade or so before all those fracked wells run dry (but the nearby fresh water permanently polluted).

            • yeshe 5.1.1.2.1.3

              Blinkered much BM ??

          • Populuxe1 5.1.1.2.2

            Pissing off China by waving Tibetan flags instead?

        • weka 5.1.1.3

          So what would the left propose we do.?
          How to we reclaim this 100% pure, a standard we’ve never had.

          Ah, the voice of people that hate nature.

          Fuck the 100% Pure brand. What is important is that we are polluting and degrading the environment at rate much faster than previous generations. To say it’s a standard we never had is a neoliberal mindfuck. Of course we never had what the brand claimed (because they weren’t interested in reality, they were interested in making money from advertising), but we did have something. Do you even know what it was? Do you have any idea what we are losing? Thought not.

      • Tiger Mountain 5.1.2

        This is a classic chance to argue for the diversification of the NZ economy. We rely too heavily on agriculture (polluting Dairy) for exports and low wage service sector for jobs (fast food, hospitality, caring, lawn mowing rounds, dog walking etc).

        Sheep and forest have been run down, textile and clothing gone off shore, import substitution industries long out of favour. A 21st century equivalent is needed. Knowledge wave? No we are in a shower of cowshit. Not too many more cows can be packed into this country and nor should they be.

        Fonterra will likely survive as an international corporate in Latin America, Asia and Europe however the NZ end shakes out. Fonterra contracted out communications which may have something to do with the “time frame issues” on the botulism baby food.

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1

          The 21st century industries must be based on localisation, preservation of local resources, and preparing for massive changes caused by climate change and loss of access to affordable fossil fuel energy.

          • King Kong 5.1.2.1.1

            I bags the job of village blacksmith since you already have idiot sewn up.

            • fender 5.1.2.1.1.1

              Nah you get to taste-test the shonKey produce of this banana republic, fool.

            • Jimmie 5.1.2.1.1.2

              You can’t be blacksmith. They will be banned as they need to burn coal to heat the iron.

              The green enforcement police would shut you down within hours.

              No I’m sorry each village will need to employ multiple numbers of idiots as that will be the only sustainable non polluting employment available.

              • weka

                Nice try, but too ignorant. You don’t need coal to run a blacksmith’s forge.

              • lprent

                Coal?- they wouldn’t be blacksmiths if they did. Perhaps you should read up about something before making a complete dork of yourself.

                Your knowledge of greens is just as pathetic as your knowledge of how to work metal.

          • Chooky 5.1.2.1.2

            CV +1

        • Draco T Bastard 5.1.2.2

          Not too many more cows can be packed into this country and nor should they be.

          The importation of palm kernel to feed the cows would be indicative that we already have too many cows.

          • Populuxe1 5.1.2.2.1

            More desirable than ruining tussock and river ecologies by irrigating the high country for pasture

            • vto 5.1.2.2.1.1

              Sheesh pop that is weak. I hope you are being sarcastic.

              I once spoke to an RMA hearing on an irrigation proposal application and one of the commissioners put across a similar line as you. His went exactly like this…

              “If the farmers cannot get growth by adding more water then how do you propose they get growth?”

              I kid you not. That was the level of thinking on the hearing panel.

              The hearing? Only the Central Plains Water scheme – the biggest one in the land taking water from the Rakaia and the Waimakariri to irrigate a vast swathe of central Canterbury and add to the already cowshit-polluted water in Rolleston darfield hororata Sheffield Christchurch. Only the scheme which this corrupt government sacked democracy at Ecan for and stole the resource for their farmer voters.

              What a frikkin’ joke.

              I have no respect for any of those players. They can sit in their own shit.

              • Populuxe1

                Did you actually read what I said? If we have too many cows, I’d rather they were fed on imported palm husks than our fragile ecological zones.

                • vto

                  Did you actually think about what you wrote?

                  It is not an either or situation – surely you can see that. If NZ has too many cows then some of them need to leave. Don’t go shoving our environmental shit onto other people in some other corner of the world. That’s like refusing to cut our own rimus for patios and decks and then going straight to mitre10 and getting balu from baluland.

                  But I have seen this approach in you before pop. The attitude of ‘get in first’, do it to them before they do it to us. So your approach is not surprising.

                  • Populuxe1

                    Yes, but the logistics of moving those cows without causing them considerable stress and undermining what represents a substantial investment on some people’s part seems to elude you.

                    • vto

                      Are you serious pop? Can you not see how easy it is to de-cow? Just don’t let the calves grow into cows……..

                      As for the investment – that is currently governed by regulations which allow this intensive agriculture per hectare. All that needs to happen is to put in place other regulations which allow for a sustainable level of agriculture per hectare. These regulations are already being adjusted down in this manner – check out recent various regional council new regulations on fertiliser application per hectare as an example of this process in action.

                      This will take some time but it is already underway.

                      Sometimes I don’t know if you are serious or taking the piss. You seem to have a very good grasp of certain aspects of the world and its machinations but then sometimes just completely the opposite…

                    • Populuxe1

                      I do sometimes wonder how attatched you are to your standard of living

            • marty mars 5.1.2.2.1.2

              I don’t think it’s an either/or situation – we are growing cows where they shouldn’t be grown and destroying valuable areas to do it – my personal bugbear are the wetland, swamps and marshes being drained and put into pasture – that is just the most idiotic thing to do as these transition areas between the land and sea are very very valuable but not in money terms.

              • vto

                But those areas are very valuable in money terms as without them we would have no ecological system to support agriculture. This is what these fools don’t seem to understand. (Or rather, they ignore for short term money (read, their lifetime only))

                (now back to the ban)

                • I’m not sure I know what you mean when you say, ” as without them we would have no ecological system to support agriculture.”

                  remember your ban is self imposed so you can rescind it whenever you want.

                  • vto

                    unban… without wetlands, or the interface between land and sea, I imagine the natural ecological system would collapse due to a complete imbalance. It would be like getting rid of the clouds and rain, or the worms and slugs, everything would seize up, slowly contract and wither and then blow away in the wind. Then agriculture here would be less able to function thereby earning less money and so wetlands absolutely do have a monetary value (among others) …. reban

                    • yes I agree – wetlands are one of the most underrated areas I believe and already here and overseas we have drained so many of them. I’d like to see more restoration of past wetlands and compulsory protection of existing wetlands.

      • infused 5.1.3

        Oh I am… which I’ve posted about already… but this post is just a winge.

    • Lightly 5.2

      yeah, cause it’s clearly Eddie’s job to fix the lie at the heart of the 100% Pure brand

      • AmaKiwi 5.2.1

        An old story about George W. Bush.

        Question: “What does George W. think?”

        Answer: “Oh, George W. doesn’t think, he believes!”

        The National neo-liberals don’t think. They believe. That their beliefs have been discredited by experience and reason is irrelevant. Have you ever seen a faith healer who could be influenced by science, experience, or reason? No faith healer has ever cured a cancer, but they are still popular because they deliver hope instead of reality. “A brighter future” to one and all.

      • infused 5.2.2

        Then why post about it? Does he want a hug? A pat on the back?

    • Pasupial 5.3

      @ Infused

      Insults have to be crafted – you can’t just shout; “I know you are, but what am I?” if you’re out of primary school (though that’s not a certainty in your case; given the quality of your argu-comments). If anything here is infused with the aroma of bullshit, it is your own words.

      You’re not worth banning.

  6. Private Baldrick 6

    I agree with Edwin, we should tell everyone that we’re no better than everyone.

  7. tc 7

    World already knows it’s 100% BS, Shonkey on hardtalk with his ‘I have another opinion’ and any decent journo (they have many of those in foreign lands ) can research our polluted waterways from dairy/industry. Then there’s fracking etc but I digress.

    This is about the mismanagement and culture within Fonterra which is a very middle/top heavy milk train that spends tens of millions on systems and process and failed on a basic food safety measure being enforced.

    No doubt the blame game’s well into the deciding set with a ‘systemic error’ or ‘process oversight’ being brought out soon to take the beating.

    People with knowledge doing a job often using elbow grease prevent such contaminations…..do they exist at Fonterra anymore or was it yet another restructure/process improvement/cost saving my monies on a few versions being full cream, lite and fat free.

  8. Tigger 8

    And yet Armstrong writes a glowing endorsement of how this mess has been handled by Key et al http://m.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10909115

    Zero analysis. No mention of how they’ve contributed to this.

  9. We’re living a lie in New Zealand.

    corrupt (v.)
    mid-14c., “contaminate, impair the purity of,” from Latin corruptus, past participle of corrumpere (see corrupt (adj.)). Late 14c. as “pervert the meaning of,” also “putrefy.” Related: Corrupted; corrupting.
    http://etymonline.com/?term=corrupt

    pervert (v.)
    c.1300 (transitive), “to turn someone aside from a right religious belief to a false or erroneous one,” from Old French pervertir “pervert, undo, destroy” (12c.) and directly from Latin pervertere “overthrow, overturn,” figuratively “to corrupt, subvert, abuse,” literally “turn the wrong way, turn about,” from per- “away” (see per) + vertere “to turn” (see versus).
    http://etymonline.com/?term=pervert

    “The whole of the common law is judge made.”
    http://www.pco.parliament.govt.nz/lac-chapter-3

    Alfred … established a code of laws that later became the basis of English Common Law.
    http://www.heritage-history.com/www/heritage.php?Dir=characters&FileName=alfred.php

    The Doom Book, Code of Alfred or Legal Code of Aelfred the Great was the code of laws (“dooms”, laws or judgments) compiled by Alfred the Great (c. 893 AD) from three prior Saxon codes, to which he prefixed the Ten Commandments of Moses and incorporated rules of life from the Mosaic Code and the Christian code of ethics.
    http://stefangillies.wordpress.com/alfred-the-great-legal-code/

  10. Tel 10

    According to Xinhua, “one could argue the country (NZ) is hostage to a blinkered devotion to laissez-faire market ideology” and I agree it’s undeniable, but why don’t they look at their own filthy backyard first, before casting aspersions toward us. If China had a brand it would be called 100% pure shit.

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      The Chinese are asking us to live up to our own standards and our own promises. That’s not a bad thing, is it?

      • Tel 10.1.1

        Depends whether you think a state run news agency taking an interest in our domestic affairs is a good or bad thing. Personally I’ve always believed the 100% Pure advert should have been killed off at birth. This dumb slogan is like living a lie and worse misrepresents our country to the outside world.

        I made a typo in the post above. It was supposed to read “If China had a brand would it be called 100% pure shit?”

        • bad12 10.1.1.1

          The fact that you think that it is simply China and it’s State news agency taking an unwarranted interest in our ‘domestic affairs’ simply shows that you bring little intelligence to the debate,

          Sending baby formula into the Chinese domestic market is hardly a simple ‘domestic affair’ concerning only this country, and nor is doing that while having at least some inkling that there was a potential problem with the formula ingredients which might have lead to the death of any number of infants in China…

          • Populuxe1 10.1.1.1.1

            If you compare our systems and responses in this case to the Melamide scandal, you might realise what bullshit that is – quite aside from the fact that this was accidental and that was deliberate poisoning of baby food. Also, given that the whey was not sealed in an anerobic environment like a tin can, it is highly unlikely botulism would have developed.
            Now perhaps the CHinese would like to stop selling us cheap toys covered in lead paint and such.

            • Puddleglum 10.1.1.1.1.1

              According to Professor Ian Shaw,

              There are two ways that BT in food can affect people.

              The first involves the consumer eating food contaminated with C botulinum, and then the bacteria grow and secrete BT in the consumer’s gut.

              The second requires the contaminated food to provide the ideal growth conditions for the bacteria, which results in BT being secreted into the food.

              The ideal growth conditions for C botulinum include lack of oxygen, low acid and plenty of nutrients. Milk whey in oxygen- free conditions would be just perfect.

              Now, I realise that he doesn’t explicitly say that the conditions of the whey in this case were ‘oxygen-free’ but the general tenor of his article suggests that he thinks they were a good environment for C. botulinum.

              Interesting details in the link about the toxicity and mode of operation.

    • vto 10.2

      China isn’t the one claiming to be 100% Pure.

    • weka 10.3

      “If China had a brand it would be called 100% pure shit.”

      It’s true that China has some very slack standards by the way NZ measures it. But China also grows alot of organic food, and in some areas is doing world-leading land restoration.

      http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2007/03/15/restoring-chinas-loess-plateau

      Google ‘loess plateau’ +john liu

  11. Rosetinted 11

    Of course, John Key says that 100% Pure is just a brand and everyone knows that we’re not an untouched virgin land.
    That is so true wot Jokeyhen says. So we will have to change our slogan, someone suggested 99% would be more appropriate. Anyone with a different number?

    It’s a bit like that comment about being a virgin or being pregnant, you are or you aren’t. Sometimes there is doubt for a while. (In certain countries that are fanatical about sexuality purity there is an operation that can be performed to restore the virginal untouched physical condition.) Either way the real condition needs managing and it makes for vulnerability, and care is required to stay healthy and well.

    Our vulnerable little country needs care and concern, TLC, the kiwis nurtured, the land, the bees cared for, the biosecurity pepped up. And nearly all organics – I think the Falklands Islands have done this. Pesticides should be cided themselves. People already know how to to grow with less chemicals, their have been controls on sprays and point of need spraying with pest counts done for years already in some sectors, so more treatment of food growing as an art not a gross factory industry.

    As for kiwis, people in the know say they may vanish within 50 years. If we don’t, bigfeet will be what’s left still roaming the country, there will still be moa of them.

  12. Descendant Of Sssmith 12

    Totally agree that control over effluent, water use, etc are things that need to be addressed in open ways.

    We still have some advantages in terms of green though in that we don’t add shit like this

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2008/8/28/food-and-beverages/milking-gm-technology

    If we settled for a little less profit and for a bit more effort to quality control and greener systems and processes we could maintain a strong market share for a long time.

    Other countries are being forced to take different roads due to population pressure / profit imperatives.

    We don’t need to.

    • yeshe 12.1

      My fear is TPPA will change our GM free status .. if Key does what he doing now in the relative open, hard to imagine what it is he might be doing completely out of sight. We need to fight this all the way imho.

  13. BLiP 13

    Yep, all true Eddie, and I would only add that our “flagship” corporation, Fonterra, is responsible for a huge part of ruining our environment. The head long rush into dairy farming was driven by greed and facilitated by the short-term thinking which, in turn, pollutes the New Zealand political process.

    So far as this latest fuck up is concerned, Fonterra has much more to explain than just how this incident occurred. Judging by the last time milk powder exports were tainted, Fonterra has not learned a thing. To make matters worse, Fonterra itself pissed all over the “100% Pure” brand by using the DCD-poisoning incident as an excuse for the futher pollution of New Zealand’s water resources. And this after having been caught out lying about the results of its PR-only Clean Streams Accord.

    The government also has some ‘splaining to do. Its own head-long rush into deregulation and the concomitant, deliberate impoverishment of monitoring agencies has now, it seems, reached the inevitable nadir. With its idological faith in the “invisible hand” of “the market”, National Ltd™ has left the protection of New Zealand’s primary industry sector exposed to people who, it seems, can’t even monitor their own farms. John Key doesn’t appear to have a clue about what’s still to come with his recent opening of New Zealand up to the charms of the international mining community. One spill from one of the holes to be dug directly into the currently rumbling Pacific tectonic plates hasn’t even crossed the government’s mind – or, if it has, John Key doesn’t give a fuck. Such is National Ltd™’s rush to open our nation up to the mining companies, it has breached international law to urgently strip away civil liberties from those who might oppose such idiocy. One can only anticipate further reductions in worker protections next.

    The orchestrated litany of the John Key-led National Ltd™ government actions against our environment is now almost too long to be taken in. And, you’re right, not much of all this has happened outside the purview of the average New Zealander. Most of it has happened right under their very noses. Marching up and down Queen St is great but lets hope this mood filters through to next year’s voting booths.

    • Macro 13.1

      +100
      Great summing up of the sorry mess this greedy mob have foisted upon NZ.
      We cannot afford another 3 years of their incompetence and selfishness.
      They must go.

    • yeshe 13.2

      +100% thank you… they have to be voted out.

    • Rosetinted 13.3

      Blip
      Your points remind me of the awful problem that Japan has with its damaged nuclear reactors and the nuclear managers are supposed to be containing nuclear waste from polluting the Pacific Ocean. The big boys there haven’t cared enough about probable damage occurring from placing this hazardous business on sites that are also hazardous.

      And the Japanese have been very smart and intelligent in their development, but we aren’t, I think. Did they outsmart themselves? We should be aware of our deficiencies in the smarts section and taiho, step back, think again, be…cautious? And seek what’s best to do not what’s momentarily expedient and profitable.

    • Draco T Bastard 13.4

      One spill from one of the holes to be dug directly into the currently rumbling Pacific tectonic plates hasn’t even crossed the government’s mind – or, if it has, John Key doesn’t give a fuck.

      Oh, it’s not just John Key that doesn’t give a fuck – it’s National in its entirety and a fairly large chunk of the populace. For these people, having money is far more important than having an environment that will support our children and grandchildren.

  14. johnm 14

    “And it’s the lose of that brand” Should read ” And it’s the loss of that brand”

    Yes, everyone here knows we are not clean and green and that includes the huge amounts of 1080 poison we drop to keep possums under control.

    The image still appeals on the basis of our iconic rainforests and mountain rivers, our Alps and the still beautiful beaches and warm seas to the North.Also our low population and the sense of plenty of space here. That’s why we can’t risk a deep water horizon here, the protesters are right.

    • MrSmith 14.1

      Yes but the largest users of 1080 in New Zealand are the Animal Health Boards (DOC continually gets the blame though) most 1080 is dropped for no other reason than to control TB and protect our farming industry.

      The is a lot of misinformation around 1080 and really there are plenty of other issues that are far more important around industries dealing with the waste and pollution created from the products they sell.

      • vto 14.1.1

        “most 1080 is dropped for no other reason than to control TB and protect our farming industry.”

        That’s right mrsmith and I don’t know if you have been following it but many various Westland valleys with few farms but which have vast areas of possum-ridden native bush backing onto them have recently found that TB has been spreading irrespective of the presence of possums.

        This was reported on about three weeks ago across the west coast. So 1080 may not even work that the TB purpose.

      • Rosetinted 14.1.2

        Mr Smith
        That TB business surprises me. I know we have been fighting it for years and thought we would have developed some science to deal with it better by now.

        And I was shocked to hear that one farmer had to kill a whole herd because of the outbreak in a few in one area. I think I heard just recently that it can remain latent without showing up on tests and pop up some years later. Just when the farmer might think things are okay. Foot and mouth and this – I don’t think we are putting our science spearhead and funding enough on these problems.

        • MrSmith 14.1.2.1

          Bovine Tb (tuberculosis). – Possums are very susceptible to bovine Tb and the disease progresses rapidly in possums. Infected possums excrete large quantities of the bacteria and if they are feeding on pasture where cattle or deer also feed there is a great risk of spreading the disease. Creating a major threat to New Zealand milk and beef exports.
          http://biosecurity.org.nz/about-us/animal-pests/

  15. Rosetinted 15

    johnm
    1080 poison is doing more good than bad in NZ the way it is utilised. It suits some people to constantly badmouth it and quote statistics that suit them. Then there are the other statistics about how 1080 is of value in assisting the growth of previously threatened species.

    • vto 15.1

      Don’t know if 1080 is clear cut like that rosetinted. Some people loathe it. Governments can’t be trusted to make the right decisions about it (or know everything about a product. eg 245T, DDT, formaldehyde, asbestos, on it goes…)

      Also, I have seen firsthand where birdlife has been near obliterated after a 1080 drop in a catchment.

      You may also like to ask yourself why DOC doesn’t use it around Okarito…. reason being it kills too many birds (kiwis there).

      Then of course there are all the health concerns for dropping such a heinous poison into our waterways (which most West Coasters get their water from).

      1080 would seem to have a place, but a minor and very infrequent one. Drops followed by comprehensive trapping programmes are the way to go.

      Bloody possums – who let them in here?

      • Rosetinted 15.1.1

        Yes vto It can’t be applied with the precision of keyhole surgery.

        1080 would seem to have a place, but a minor and very infrequent one. Drops followed by comprehensive trapping programmes are the way to go.
        Bloody possums – who let them in here?

        Too right. Absolutely! And proper spending by government on controls and people-oriented eradication. Needs investment in our green land.

        As marty mars says – Not lala land! – we want greenland.

        • Poission 15.1.1.1

          Eradication of Possum,rats and mice would have a substantive result on the response of vegetation in NZ.The interesting side effect say with Possums is that it would effectively halve the effects of GHG transport emissions by increasing the sink efficiency.

      • MrSmith 15.1.2

        “Also, I have seen firsthand where birdlife has been near obliterated after a 1080 drop in a catchment.”

        So you had been into the catchment before the drop? and what science was done before and after regarding bird numbers.

        • vto 15.1.2.1

          Yes. And it was my own assessment – thought that would have been apparent. Though I do have a couple of degrees, one in such science, does that count?

          But genuinely – was on the alert from before the drops (in varied locations) until well after. The difference was very noticeable and substantial.

          • Draco T Bastard 15.1.2.1.1

            But genuinely – was on the alert from before the drops (in varied locations) until well after. The difference was very noticeable and substantial.

            Did the bird life come back afterwards? I.e, if you went back there now would there be more or less than what was there before the drop?

            EDIT:
            I tend to refer to Rangitoto in discussions like this because I recall what it was like before the 1080 drop.

            • vto 15.1.2.1.1.1

              Not yet draco but I’m watching closely. The areas I keep an eye on are still much quieter than before the last round of drops a couple years ago. By all reports the bird life does come back, and has done so in previous drops, so fingers crossed.

              But this highlights the further problem – these drops are done – birds and possums are obliterated or close to. Then, they all come back again, both birds and possums, because there is no follow-up procedure to clean out the remaining possums missed by the drop. So it is all a waste of time because a decade later and the whole thing has to happen again, never really getting anywhere.

              Possums really are shit. The areas devastated by their munching and reproducing brings tears to the eyes. Rata and fuschia especially nailed. Many people don’t notice it but when it is pointed out it stands out like dogs balls. And they are spreading. There are few catchments left untouched by them.

              There are people who make a living from trapping. Quite a few. This should be enhanced and a broad attack wave launched on the possums.

              • Macro

                totally agree vto.
                I wonder if we are building up a rod for our backs like poor use of antibiotics – getting a result for a while then the bug coming back with a vengeance.

        • grumpy 15.1.2.2

          Same here, vto is right on this one…

          • vto 15.1.2.2.1

            why thanks grumpy but somehow that implies it is a rare moment…..

            and if that’s the case then maybe you’re right and I should drift back to the other side ……

            • grumpy 15.1.2.2.1.1

              There is a small block way up the South Branch of the Mokihinui River where they use as a trial control block. It is 1080’d the shit out of – absolutely dead!

              There is a reason why it is so remote – so no trampers and greenies get to see it!

          • MrSmith 15.1.2.2.2

            Of-course he is Grumpy! With all due respect vto should know better than to rely on his own observations, without doing any science.

      • Populuxe1 15.1.3

        When was the last time you saw a bird eat a carrot? That tends to be the usual deployment method

        • grumpy 15.1.3.1

          They drink the water from puddles in the bush, sometimes with a 1080 bait sitting in it.

          • Populuxe1 15.1.3.1.1

            Highly unlikely. 1080 is highly water soluable and dilutes incredibly quickly
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_fluoroacetate

            • grumpy 15.1.3.1.1.1

              In a not too long ago trial at Franz Josef, DoC radio tagged 18 kea of which 6 were poisoned by the 1080 drop. 33%, significant?

              http://www.keaconservation.co.nz/keaendangeredspecies/keawildpopulation/1080andkea.html

              • Populuxe1

                Statistically? No. Not compared to the net good

                • grumpy

                  Oh great! So we’ll just kill off 33% of the native bird life because Pop says it’s not statistically significant and “for the net good”.

                  OK, we agree the possums need to go but where is the urgent research into biological means such as that have reduced rabbits to a manageable level?

                  • Descendant Of Sssmith

                    I’ve always understood that the problem with drops is that 1080 ends up in the crooks of the trees where water gathers that birds drink.

                    The advantage of drops is that it’s cheaper and can cover a wider area more quickly than walking in and setting bait traps etc.

                    You will always get some variable loss of birdlife as far as I know with drops.

                    It’s a difficult trade off.

                    Last I heard from DOC they could supply a mate of mine with traps but had no funding for manpower for their family’s large area of beech forest.

                    I’d happily pay more tax to have the state provide more money to DOC to run more labour intensive program’s to get rid of possums.

                    Trapping and shooting is fine for the easy to get to spots but there’s loads of country that ain’t that accessible.

                    Money to put in and maintain more tracks to improve access would also be useful to go the more labour intensive ways.

                    • grumpy

                      “I’d happily pay more tax to have the state provide more money to DOC to run more labour intensive program’s to get rid of possums.”

                      Me too.

                  • Populuxe1

                    We could just leave the birds to be eaten by possums :)

                • Rosetinted

                  Pop
                  That’s the problem isn’t it. It’s supposed to be short term loss for long term gain.
                  The 1080 certainly has to be in careful doses.

                  Do observers know all about why these areas they quote as suffering a big hit were chosen? Observing before and after without understanding the management and assessment of predators and risks in the area means that it is hard to make a reasoned analysis, it becomes an opinionated observation.

                  • Populuxe1

                    Indeed. I would have thought that logically they would test in areas where there are few critically endangered species in order to monitor the risks. Also I doubt there would be many birds in areas heavily infested with possums or deer

          • richard 15.1.3.2.1

            And possums love bird eggs, birds, bats and giant land snails.
            http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/possums/page-4
            Here you can watch a possum eating a juvenile kea –
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt-TF-fcRqk

            • grumpy 15.1.3.2.1.1

              Bullshit, there are millions of possums in Australia and they don’t eat keas. So why do only the NZ species eat them?

              • richard

                My guess is because they don’t have kea in Australia. Kea being a native NZ species, and all.

                • Rosetinted

                  richard
                  What do possums eat in Australia? Do you know? They are denuding us, how does Australia have any trees left with them around and being so close to Aussie’s hearts. Are they protected there?

                  • grumpy

                    Bloody oath they are protected, you can’t even swear at them!

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Which keeps me coming back to the bloody question: If the Australians love their possums so bloody much, why don’t they come and pick them up?

                      Hey, I know, if any Australian wants NZ will put any possum they pick up in to quarantine free. They just have to pick them up, supply a cage and the airfare to Australia. Seems reasonable to me. They get their possums back and we get rid of them.

                  • richard

                    I’d reckon that because the Australian plants and possums evolved together, the plants would have some good possum defence – unlike New Zealand plants, which only had to build up defence against Moa – http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/science/plants-animals-fungi/ecosystems/prehistoric-settlement/megaherbivores/background

                    • grumpy

                      The way things were going in the 70’s and 80’s were a good step forward. Clear felling and burning succulent native forest (which is primo tucker for possums) and replacing with Pinus Radiata (which ain’t).
                      Maybe they should have just carried on and done the whole country, that would have sorted out possum numbers!

                    • Rosetinted

                      Thanx richard

                  • KJT

                    Australian vegetation has adapted over centuries of being browsed by large marsupials. Ours hasn’t!

                    While we are on the subject, when we lived out of town the bush was almost silent and the native trees, especially pohutukawa, were dying. Two years after a 1080 drop, and I have to admit, our cats, which had a taste for baby possums, rats and rabbits, there was bird life everywhere. Including wood pigeons, morepork and so many Pukeko, they were a pain..

              • lprent

                No keas in Aussie perhaps?

              • grumpy

                Bugger!!! Who would have thought? Maybe those Aussie possums have eaten them all??

                • lprent

                  Nope. They evolved long after NZ departed Gondwanaland and separated from each other. Of course in aussie the dinosaurs of the air had at least 85-80 million years to get adapted to the possums and their progenitors (that being the approximate date that NZ departed).

                  While in NZ they did not as few land animals managed to survive the cretaceous extinctions 65mya or the subsequent widespread dunkings that these islands got as the NZ continent got massaged by the pacific and aussie plates..

      • weka 15.1.4

        “Also, I have seen firsthand where birdlife has been near obliterated after a 1080 drop in a catchment.”

        The theory is that even though there is bird loss, the subsequent breeding birds and offspring do much better in the absence of predators and the absence of foliage eaters, and so the bird populations increase overall. I’ve certainly been in bush with good 1080 controll and see much better birdlife than other places.

        Not quite sure how that works given that 1080 primarily kills possums. Maybe it works best in areas that are trapping stoats and rats too.

        I’m against 1080 btw. I think many (not all) places it is being used, could be using trapping schemes that provide employment and a fur trade instead.

      • MrSmith 15.1.5

        “Then of course there are all the health concerns for dropping such a heinous poison into our waterways (which most West Coasters get their water from).”

        Vto: Compared to all the waste leeching into their creeks from old and new gold/coal mines, plus the dairy farms then really them worrying about 1080 is the height of hypocrisy, but really this debate is nothing but a distraction for the coasters to blame all there problems on those bloody greenies, they, the coasters still live in the past, fuck just tune into one of their radio stations some time.

        • vto 15.1.5.1

          Sheesh, that sounds like a whole lot of pent-up prejudice there.

          “Compared to all the waste leeching into their creeks from old and new gold/coal mines” … sure but you may be surprised at the rising antagonism towards those bastards who really do leave the land in a mess and usually unuseable for any following generations.

          “plus the dairy farms” … sure, but they are making progress, albeit slower than elsewhere,

          “them worrying about 1080 is the height of hypocrisy” … not really. Speak to them and you will get a wholly different side to the equation,

          “but really this debate is nothing but a distraction for the coasters to blame all there problems on those bloody greenies,”… no they blame a great deal of their issues on interference from outside the province, which has been a perennial problem for them. Examples – Strongman, Pike River, Gold boom, timber industry, DOC and its non payment of any rates, the list is very long. As for the greenies, sure they don’t get far in certain circles, but what I see there is a splitting of the community. Greenies on the up, anti-greenies on the slide. Check back in another generation.

          ” they, the coasters still live in the past,”… better than living in John Key’s stinked-up world.

          “fuck just tune into one of their radio stations some time.” …. calm now. Each to their own.

          • Colonial Viper 15.1.5.1.1

            Exactly. Fact is, I’d trust most coasters further than I’d trust the fucking set off Molesworth St.

  16. BLiP 16

    Ooops . . . to many tabs open.

  17. It is tough when mythology meets reality. The 100% line was marketing, designed to sell our product whether meat or the mountains. We who live here knew it was bullshit but we wanted to believe it was true and all the other places around the world were so much worse than us – that is part of the mythology as well and it is still there evidenced by, “who are they to tell us that” lines. You can’t swim in the rivers without getting sick – that is the truth. We have quite a few mythologies in this place and they need to be torn down bit by bit so that the truth can see the light of day and once that happens we can get on with trying to fix stuff – if we continue to live in la la land nothing will improve.

  18. Steve Wrathall 18

    “most of the rivers are unsafe to swim due to the farm run-off,”
    Source please

  19. Populuxe1 19

    Excessive butthurt over silly marketing slogan. I wonder why China isn’t criticising us on our human rights record?…

    • fender 19.1

      Another term or two from National and China will have plenty of critical human rights ammo to shoot at NZ, especially if one J Collins becomes leader.

    • Rosetinted 19.2

      Populuxe1 and grumpy – Why don’t you stick to watching Coronation Street? Or there is a really gripping Computer game called Walking Dead with zombies and a great little girl called Clementine, that would keep you busy.

      Fonterra and China – it’s all about business and it’s about food quality and standards. Don’t get all mixed up – that’s all that you have to understand. We want them to buy our milk, and we want to get a good price and they want to buy it because it is so good and reliably high quality and they will pay extra than for other brands to get it.

      So Fonterra has let down the customers there and the suppliers, by continuing to trade with some doubts about quality of some of our product and not letting on about this. They are annoyed, even angry, that we didn’t front up and inform them. They wonder if they can trust us, now and in the future to be straight dealers. They wonder if anything else we are trying to sell them has ‘fish-hooks’, and they wonder if we are capable of the same dirty dealing that their own people had tried. They thought we were better than that, and they wonder if they were wrong. A lot of doubt and wondering is going on about business standards and behaviour from Fonterra, and this will flow on to other NZ companies trying to do business in China.

      Human rights in the sense of not treating people right and letting them mouth off as we are, is another subject entirely.

      • grumpy 19.2.1

        You are correct. We charge a premium by trading on our pristine image. That incurs a cost – the cost of preserving at least the illusion.
        Fonterra stuffed up its primary marketing argument and for that they deserve everything coming to them.
        This starts and finishes with Fonterra, the Govt are as much a victim as China.

  20. grumpy 20

    Anyone died yet? Anyone even slightly sick?

    Seems like bugger all of a food scandal by Chinese standards…….

  21. of course there is one sure-fire way to restore our ‘green’ brand..

    ..and that is to follow the path of uraguay..and legalise/regulate/sell/tax pot..

    ..eh..?

    ..that’ll bring back the tourists in droves..

    ..and solve the poverty problems in both northland and the east cape..

    ..in one fell swoop..

    ..eh..?

    ..bring on the green-rush..!..i say..

    ..phillip ure..

    • bad12 21.1

      Or we could always market the rivers and streams that have recently been turned pink and purple by industrial waste as being ‘natural wonders’…

      • Rosetinted 21.1.1

        But they’re so pretty when they get all that white and yellow froth at the edge.

  22. blue leopard 22

    I believe this government hasn’t wanted to pursue the 100% Pure brand for NZ, so this event will really play into their agenda.

    They want mining, they want what big money interests want and the 100% Pure brand obstructs the easy passage for such interests.

    Once the initial drama of this event dies down; just you wait for the next round of squawking for mining that our government MPs will immediately start pursuing.

    • blue leopard 23.1

      @ Populuxe1

      I see what you mean!

      Is it satire? Some of the comments seem like it must be?

      It is hard to imagine these words coming out of our PM’s mouth:

      “Prime Minister John Key today acknowledged the commentary in Chinese media, saying that he understood that China was “widely respected” as a role model for progressive, forward-thinking nations with an eye on improving quality of life for everyone.”

      He must have had real trouble managing the last sentence without dry-retching methinks. Sounds like anathema for him.

  23. Crystal Voyager 24

    http://www.nme.com/nme-video/youtube/id/hGV_cMtnsHI

    Dave Nash Band, Fonterra You Dirty Bastards video
    Original song by New Zealand songwriter Dave Nash and his band, about milk giant Fonterra and greed.

  24. Rhinocrates 25

    What none of you realise, and which would render all of this debate meaningless, and in the current climate, treasonable, is that there are other opinions .

    The Keyster said himself on the BBC, no less: he can simply find another opinion.

    So what the Hell is the problem?

    • Colonial Viper 25.1

      No problem, nothing to see here, when is the next season of XFactor starting?

  25. Populuxe1 26

    What everyone seems to be ignoring is that this piece of propoganda puffery has been produced for internal Chinese consumption to try and revive the local dairy industry that went tits up after the melamide crisis.

    • Rosetinted 26.1

      Pop
      Yes, shoehorns in nicely doesn’t it. Fonterra slipped on a banana and so came fifth instead of forth. Had to happen. Everything had seemed to be going well for a surprising length of time.

    • Colonial Viper 26.2

      What everyone seems to be ignoring is that this piece of propoganda puffery has been produced for internal Chinese consumption

      Yes what with all the Mainland Chinese who have access to the interwebs and read in English.

      • Populuxe1 26.2.1

        CV, this is the English Language version. Why would a Chinese news service publish entirely in English? This is the English verison of a Mandarin text which was no doubt published in China as it appears to be written from that perspective. And actually all that stuff about the Great Fire Wall is overrated – there is only a select number of sites Mainland Chinese can’t access and even them they find a way around it.

  26. xtasy 27

    Forgive me, please, forgive me, I was ranting over a month ago, I was angry, furious, I was out of control, but this topic again hits my nerves, it stirs me up!!

    I have been in NZ since the early 1980s and went through the Shipley and Ruthanasia agenda, even being on a benefit then, for a while, feeling forced to put in a vege garden, as my and others’ benefits were cut, yes CUT!

    I survived with immense pain and hurt, it was unbelievable what went on then, but there were no damned jobs, and the Nat government then did not care a shit about you and me, certainly not the environment.

    Now we get this talk again about NZ needing to be competitive internationally and to make compromises. I have this damned ring in my ears, loud and clear, about the “competitive advantage” this country would have to realise, and it was some US based “expert” preaching through the NZ media then that we all need to accept agriculture, dairy, horticulture, fisheries, forestry and such are our future. Fair enough governments and many in the populace thought, and in the end they went along with it. I believe the link here shows an insight, unless I am wrong.

    http://www.management.co.nz/executiveupdate.asp?eID=298

    What has happened since? Nothing much new, a bit more exports, imports, more selling out of assets and shares, of business, of interests, a FTA with China and this and that. So what have we now? Heavy industrialised agri production, polluting rivers, heavy traffic of personal car traffic in cities, reaching worst global standards, exploitation of fisheries, forestry and so forth, little gain, much pain. So got it, if you care?

    NZ has been and is being sold out, bit by bit, day and night, and house by house, I see it here in Auckland. Call me a racist to raise the issue about migrant property purchases? I am not, I just comment on what I see day in and out. I have also over decades seen NZ business and farms being sold out.

    I am not even NZ born, but I think, if you as Kiwis allow this any longer, you are selling your own self out under your feet. It is stupid and idiotic. And this 100 per cent pure business is stuffed already anyway, as the whole Fonterra and other dairy intensification has stuffed it all up. We really have created a huge national corporate, to bend rules and do what they see fit, even dress themselves up to claim they feed the hungry school kids now, it is idiotic, idiotic, how Kiwis fall for all this shit, to think they have to defend the farmer lobby controlled corporate monopoly and believe they will benefit from it.

    Get your brain put into the laundromat perhaps, a good rinse is overdue!

    • Murray Olsen 27.1

      Welcome back. I like this better than your last post. Most of us here are trying to improve things, in the ways we know how.

  27. xtasy 28

    This is Brian Easton’s take on ‘Upgrading New Zealand’s Competitive Advantage’, also referred to as “The Porter Project”, that was published and much hailed in business, right wing political and even media circles then:

    http://www.eastonbh.ac.nz/1991/06/the_porter_project/

    Not surprisingly Easton showed a dim view of this agenda for New Zealand, but the then government used it to push ahead with their agenda to slash welfare, to sell and privatise state owned assets, to “liberalise” so many laws, regulations and conditions, some of which led to the leaky building scandal, the Pike River Mine disaster, an increasing wealth and income gap, and many more disastrous events or developments.

    New Zealanders are still paying for consequences of these experiments, while the NatACT government are pushing for more experiments, leading to yet further damage and selling out of this country.

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  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • No time for self-pity
    After 23 meetings across the largest non-Maori electorate in the country – almost all of which went fantastically, approx 4,500km on the odometer, positive MSM and social media coverage, and polling well, I admit my team and I headed to...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • The 30 second speech that could have saved the Moment of Truth
    As the dust settles and we struggle to understand what the bloody hell happened on Saturday, many point to Kim’s failure at the Moment of Truth to present his evidence. I think that Kim was poorly advised and that politics requires a...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Internet MANA and the 2014 election
    It was always going to be a hard task for Hone Harawira to hold onto his Te Tai Tokerau seat when the political establishment united in a coalition to defeat him and the chance for Internet MANA to bring more...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Unity in Action
    Yes the Left have taken a drubbing, but never mind, time to pick ourselves up off the floor, patch up our wound pride, dust ourselves off, cast around for our friends and allies, and re-enter the fray. Lots of work...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • A Fiji democratic mandate for the coup leader – what now for the media?
    Attorney-General Sayad-Khaiyum and Rear-Admiral (Ret) Voreqe Bainimarama’s Fiji First party is poised to lead the country in the next four years. Photo: Mads Anneberg, an AUT Pacific Media Centre student on internship in Suva with Repúblika Magazine and Pacific Scoop...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Why I voted Labour and why 2017 will be different
    As a 3nd and 5th generation Kiwi-Indian (depending on which side of the family we have to go with), my relationship with New Zealand is a special one. Like other New Zealanders who are not of the Caucasian variety, the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Humble Pie
    Oh. My. God. This was a heartbreaking nightmare. I was wrong, horribly, horribly, horribly wrong. I honestly believed that the resources, the media attention, the vile toxic politics exposed by Dirty Politics and the mass surveillance lies would have seen...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • The Letter – 22 September 2014
    John Key’s win is historic. In the history of MMP elections – worldwide – ever – no government has won an absolute majority. MMP was imposed on Germany to make sure that country never had another Hitler. It is designed...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election Coverage – None Better Than Trans Tasman
    To get a steer on what was going to happen in the election - away from the histrionics of the mainstream coverage - the best place to go was The Main Report Group’s weekly political report Trans Tasman....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Federated Farmers intemperate
    For the second time in a week Federated Farmers has made intemperate and provocative comments on environmental issues, says EDS....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • MP’s Stolen Items Recovered
    Following a complaint to Parliamentary Services today [ September 19 ], items which had been stolen from NZ First MP Andrew Williams’ Wellington parliamentary office have been recovered and returned....
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Election results bad news for those on benefits
    Beneficiary Advocate Kay Brereton says, “ The election result holds no good news for people on benefits, National campaigned successfully with their beneficiary bashing agenda, and will now believe their punitive treatment of beneficiaries has the support...
    Scoop politics | 22-09
  • Opportunity to progress water infrastructure
    “National’s re-election is an opportunity to develop the infrastructure New Zealand needs to provide surety of water for agriculture, town drinking water supply, waterways, recreational use and to future proof the country from climate change,” says Andrew...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Wellington City joins the global call for 100% clean
    At 1:00 pm, residents and visitors of Wellington gathered at the summit of Mt Victoria to join the millions strong call for a 100% clean future....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Hikoi with us from Cape Reinga to Auckland Oil Conference!
    Monday 22 September 2014: Maori from different tribal areas along the western length of Northland are organising a hikoi starting on Saturday to a Government oil conference in Auckland to make sure that Norwegian oil giant Statoil gets the message:...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls
    Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls National re-elected to third term with record high vote as Labour slumps to worst result in over 90 years...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms
    An unprecedented increase in support for the third-term National Party, the best electoral performance since 1899, has delivered a clear mandate for reform of the Resource Management Act says Federated Farmers. “Vital reforms to the RMA have...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • New Zealand says no to Culture of Death
    Right to Life is pleased that the people of New Zealand have rejected a culture of death by refusing to elect a Labour/Green government that supported the decriminalisation of abortion....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Steven Joyce
    CORIN Steven Joyce if we could start with how things are going to look now with your support partners. Can you just run us through, National can technically govern alone on what you’ve got at the moment, do you think...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Kelvin Davis
    SUSAN Well earlier this morning, just before we came to air in fact, Corin spoke to Kelvin Davis, one of the big winners of the night, the new MP for Te Tai Tokerau....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – David Cunliffe
    CORIN Joining me now is Labour Leader, David Cunliffe. Good morning to you Mr Cunliffe. This is a tough result for Labour, how much personal responsibility do you take for this....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Grey Power congratulates Key
    Grey Power National President Terry King congratulated John Key for his party’s “resounding win “ in yesterday’s election and hoped that the new National Government would look hard at issues affecting the ever–growing number of older New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • EMA congratulates PM John Key and National
    The Employers and Manufacturers Association extend hearty congratulations to the re-election of Prime Minister John Key and National....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Helen Clark Receives Inaugural Women’s Health Rights Award
    Helen Clark was honoured as the first recipient of the Women’s Health Rights Award at the 121st Woman’s Suffrage event held in Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National deal with New Zealand First unlikely
    The National party is unlikely to offer a confidence and supply agreement to New Zealand First according to Dr Ryan Malone, Director Training and Research at Civicsquare....
    Scoop politics | 20-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
    For the past four years I, like 500,000 other New Zealanders, have been illegally smoking cannabis for medicinal purposes and/or even just for the occasional laugh with friends on the weekend. We don't hurt anybody, we don't cause nuisance, we...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
    Responding to the Fairfax article that taxpayers are extending another $103 million to keep Solid Energy afloat, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
    People across New Zealand continue to express their disgust at the downgrading of Invermay, says Dunedin North MP David Clark, as the Save Invermay petition he instigated earlier this year topped the 10,000 signature mark just days before the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
    Garth McVicar stated at a public meeting last week that he would fight to retain a 24/7 Police Station in Napier and no reduction in the number of police staff for the Hawkes Bay region, some said he was simply...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
    Internet MANA urges New Zealanders to use their party vote to confront corruption in any new government....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Election day is tomorrow – make sure you’re a part of it!
    Tomorrow, Saturday 20 September, is election day, and New Zealanders’ last chance to have a say on who leads the country for the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Is the Shape of our Government out of the hands of Voters?
    In the last stuff.co.nz / Ipsos Political Poll before Saturdays election, National is down 5.1% to 47.7% and Labour up 3.7% to 26.15%. These results are remarkably similar to the 2011 election where National received 47.3% of the vote and...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
    Internet MANA is drawing on the courage and integrity of New Zealand women on Suffrage Day – Friday, September, 19 – to encourage them to pay tribute to the spirit of their foremothers who gained women the vote....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
    Māori Television’s KOWHIRI 2014 – ELECTION SPECIAL kicks off at 7.00pm this Saturday with a five-hour broadcast focusing on the Māori electorates....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Judge’s Decision Disappoints Fish & Game
    Today’s decision to give a Temuka man 100 hours of community service for selling sports fish to the public has disappointed Fish & Game, which believes the sentence handed down was “too lenient and will not go far enough to...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
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