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World smells 100% pure bullshit

Written By: - Date published: 6:40 am, August 7th, 2013 - 223 comments
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We’re living a lie in New Zealand. We tell ourselves and we tell the world that we’re this amazingly environmentally conscious and sustainable country when, in fact, we’ve turned most of it into a giant farm, most of the rivers are unsafe to swim due to the farm run-off, and it would be worse, we just haven’t had the time. The Fonterra scandal may be the final straw for the 100% Pure slogan.

Of course, John Key says that 100% Pure is just a brand and everyone knows that we’re not an untouched virgin land. Well, maybe, but when you go to the world and market yourself on your nature and your cleanliness, people are going to, with justification, expect you to live up to the promise.

What the world is seeing with this latest Fonterra scandal is that New Zealand isn’t all it makes itself out to be. The damage isn’t just to Fonterra, it’s our whole brand – the whole reason that people prefer New Zealand goods and choose to visit New Zealand unravelling. We are losing the trust of the people we trade with on the very point that is our competitive advantage.

Already, scathing editorials are being written on the back of the Fonterra scandal pointing out that the 100% Pure brand is not just a marketer’s exaggeration, it’s 100% Bullshit.

And it’s the lose of that brand, or rather the trust that got people to buy into that brand, which will hurt New Zealand long after the Fonterra scandal dies. But we have no-one to blame but ourselves. We’ve been living a lie and telling the rest of the world that lie, too.

223 comments on “World smells 100% pure bullshit”

  1. logie97 1

    …and we have it being suggested that the Stock exchange do an investigation into the “delay” in reporting this to the share holders. The shareholders should be the last to know in the scheme of things, surely.

  2. Janice 2

    How many millions/billions will the companies/businesses that have been affected by this blunder sue Fonterra for, and who will pay? Farmers or taxpayers?

    • SpaceMonkey 2.1

      It’s ok… Fonterra is TBTF… the Government we will bail them out.

      • Colonial Viper 2.1.1

        Corporate welfare for the good of the country (well, the top 1%)

        • srylands 2.1.1.1

          Fonterra’s success benefits us all.

          • tc 2.1.1.1.1

            yes and we aren’t paying too much for local milk…..wasn’t that a shonkey inquiry also ?

          • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.1.2

            No it doesn’t as our ever more polluted streams and waterways prove. The Dead Zone off the mouth of the Waikato River is one of the bigger ones in the world.

            • Blue 2.1.1.1.2.1

              So what do you do? Close down a $20 billion company. If that’s the plan you need to have something to replace it with, that provides the same income. The impact on our economy would be catastrophic as it is 13% of our GDP. The direct and indirect jobs reliant on this company number in the thousands.

              • QoT

                Because our choices are absolutely limited to “the industry as it currently is” and “no industry at all”.

    • Lan 2.2

      Well, according to a comment article on the NZ Herald site, the “farmers” aren’t too fussed about the whole thing. Such complacency. Unbelievable! And I am long term self employed, including agricultural matters. I would be extremely fussed about Fonterra business behaviour (misbehaviour) myself if I had a dairy investment.

  3. Dv 3

    Will this cause a problem for the Meridian float?

    Will the overseas buyers of Meridian look at NZ and ask is the country a ‘safe’ investment?

    • AmaKiwi 3.1

      The global financial crisis of 2008 exposed the world credit system as a house of cards.

      Greed induces drunken blindness. The world financial system is WORSE today than it was only 5 years ago. Then banks were mortgaged up to their eyeballs, failed, and had to be bailed out by governments. Today governments and the EU are mortgaged beyond anything they can ever repay. But the drunks keep lending and borrowing.

      The question is, “Can Meridian can be sold off before the bubble bursts?” Timing is everything.

  4. One Anonymous Knucklehead 4

    Key doesn’t get it: the Reuters article quotes him as saying “The right answer is for New Zealand to be absolutely sure that the safety standards are met…”

    Standards. The “high trust model” eh John.

  5. infused 5

    That should be the title for thestandard…

    I await the ban ;)

    It’s typical of these posts though… it’s just a whine. So? What are you going to do about it then Eddie?

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      Fascinating you are so unconcerned about the economic fall out from China around this incident, and the mismanagement which led to it.

      • BM 5.1.1

        So what would the left propose we do.?
        How to we reclaim this 100% pure, a standard we’ve never had.

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1

          So you admit the slogan was a lie from the outset?

          • BM 5.1.1.1.1

            Of course it is.

            Anyone is knows anything about NZ would realize it’s complete horse shit.

            Good marketing slogan though and kudos to Labour for getting it underway.

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1.1.1

              So all that has happened is that the Chinese are calling us out on our BS. Which is what the title of the post is about, idiot.

            • Tom Gould 5.1.1.1.1.2

              I saw a guy, yesterday, flick a cigarette but into a drain on Queen Street. Which puts the lie to the whole 100% Pure scam. On the other hand, perhaps it is just a branding slogan? Like “I’m lovin’ it”? Or “Just do it”? Or “the Ultimate Driving Machine”? Come the think of it, how many newly rich Chinese BMW drivers have just realised they were conned, that it isn’t actually the ultimate driving machine, and now want their money back? Where’s the China Daily editorial slating those lying Germans?

              • BM

                Lying German scum, they need to be outed !!!

              • Colonial Viper

                Seems you think that the standing of a nation is somehow similar in importance to a corporate marketing slogan.

                • Populuxe1

                  Seems like you can’t tell the difference. For example take any Chinese political slogan and compare it to the reality

                  • Colonial Viper

                    How about “we’re the manufacturing centre of the world and have trillions in forex reserves”

                    Oh whooops that’s true

                    • Populuxe1

                      It’s more your glee in siding with an epic totalitarian environmental and human rights abuser that offens me

              • TheContrarian

                “I saw a guy, yesterday, flick a cigarette but into a drain on Queen Street. Which puts the lie to the whole 100% Pure scam.”

                Not sure 100% Pure was meant to ever suggest people in NZ don’t litter or that NZ doesn’t face issues of waste management and storm water run-off like other developed nations.

                • Plan B

                  It does not matter what we think the slogan means, it only matters what others think it means, They clearly think of it as more than just puffery they think it is real and that we are letting it down. For many we were the place that was still pure, that was how the world was meant to be. A better place. A cleaner place- maybe a fantasy for them, or an ideal or something. It also said that we could be trusted so our food could be trusted.
                  We were custodians for this ideal and we let everybody down- including ourselves.

              • insider

                BMW is recalling 150k cars in China right now. There goes Germany’s reputation as an engineering leader…

                • vto

                  Hardly surprising – bmw is rich man’s cortina

                  • insider

                    Ouch!

                  • KJT

                    Probably true, but it is still the best car to drive, of any I have owned.

                    Like riding on rails.

                    And runs on an oily rag. Much less gas than our same size mitsi.

                    Almost worth the high price of parts.

                    Not to mention the wealth redistribution. Keeping mechanics employed. :-)

        • Lanthanide 5.1.1.2

          Well, perhaps we should start listening to Green Party policies, eh, instead of National? Surely that would be a good start?

          • BM 5.1.1.2.1

            Dung for dinner and cavorting druids, I’ll pass on that.

            • Tinfoilhat 5.1.1.2.1.1

              If you can drag yourself away from personal prejudices and preconceptions you might actually be surprised.

              https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/agriculture-and-rural-affairs-policy-towards-sustainability

              • BM

                Are there any successful large scale dairy farms operating within NZ that follow Green principles.?

                An example that can be shown to farmers that demonstrates a feasible and practical alternative.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Of course there are. Several owned by foreigners.

                  • BM

                    Where?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Look it up mate, not your researcher

                    • BM

                      I thought you may know off the top of your head.

                      If the Greens do want people to change they need to provide case studies, just bleating at people to change while offering no viable alternative is rather pointless.

                      If the Greens can demonstrate to farmers how to change from a traditionally run farm to a green principled farm without bankrupting themselves and cutting their income in half they’d get a lot more traction.

                      Farmers are practical people, you have to provide working practical solutions.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Interestingly accurate comment from you, BM.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Bit behind the times aren’t you BM? The information you’re referring to is more-or-less ubiquitous.

                    • vto

                      Alternative for farmers to what BM? You are missing a huge entire block of what you are talking about and rendering your point valueless.

                    • BM

                      Alternative to what.?
                      Thought that would be fairly obvious but I’ll spell it out.

                      Farmer runs farm in traditional manner(phosphates,etc)
                      Farmer milks cows and sells milk for money
                      Farmer uses money to feed family and pay bills

                      Alternative

                      Farmer runs farm along green principles
                      Farmer milks cows and sells milk for money
                      Farmer uses money to feed family and pay bills

                    • vto

                      Clearly, the alternative to green principles is non-green principles.

                      Non-green principles are what have been used for the last 150 years and have resulted in the environmental degradation that has now become so apparent and unavoidable.

                      If you keep going with the non-green approach then you will obviously eat up all of the environment until there is none left and the entire system will collapse. This is what has happened for example with draining the great artesian basin in central Australia. And with the dust bowls of central USA in decades past. And with so many of our own rivers. And recently beginning to destroy Canterbury’s drinking aquifers. These realities are the result of your “traditional (phosphate etc)” non-green farming principles.

                      So when you say that farmers must necessarily follow current practices “to continue to feed the family” unless they are offered an alternative which provides the same level of “continuing to feed the family (and drive the latest hilux)” then they are taking society with them down a dead-end road of destruction (as has been proved over the last 150 years)

                      Your alternative (the status quo) is not an alternative. This is the point where you posts above fall apart at the seams. The farmers have no choice but to switch to green principles. There is no choice because the alternative (status quo) is simply continuing down “Oblivion Road” and there aint no turning circle at the end.

                      kapiche?

                    • weka

                      Are there any successful large scale dairy farms operating within NZ that follow Green principles.?

                      An example that can be shown to farmers that demonstrates a feasible and practical alternative.

                      You really need to educate yourself BM. It depends on what you mean by large scale of course. Large industrial dairy is by it’s nature polluting and unsustainable, as is exporting milk powder is China.

                      But here is an example of a medium sized, family run organic dairy farm, that is economically viable in that it enables the family to make a living and provides employment beyond that. As well as a dairy farm, they also make dairy foods on the property (yoghurt, cream etc) and sell into South Island supermarkets and health food retailers.

                      http://www.clearwaterorganic.co.nz/our-farm.php

                      There is no reason that NZ agriculture cannot shift to sustainable methods of farming and economics.

                    • BM

                      Ye I agree dumping tons and tons of phosphate on the land is dumb business especially since 95% + is wasted.

                      There was quite an interesting article about some soil scientist who moved over from Dutchland or Switzerland and has a small farm up north.
                      He offers farmers in the area free advice on how to run their farms without the need of massive amounts of phosphates.

                      The farmers love him because he’s practical and offers an viable alternative.
                      As one farmer they interviewed said “it’s great to hear from some one other than the sales rep from Ravensdown who can provide another point of view and technical input”

                      This is where the greens could really make in roads and increase their vote but unfortunately, they don’t want to work with National.

                      Farmers vote blue, not red.

                    • vto

                      Ahaa, so you do recognise that current farming practices must change to green principles…. excellent… And yep, it is hardly wise to believe any sales rep provides the full picture on their own sector. And remember too that Ravensdown is a coop, owned by the farmers, so they also have an additional financial incentive to continue current practices.

                    • weka

                      There is no way in hell that NACT would support sustainable agriculture in NZ, because you can’t make shit loads of money from it. You can make a decent enough living for Kiwis, but that’s not enough for greedy people like Key and co. That’s why the GP can’t work with NACT.

                    • insider

                      You’re just speaking out of prejudice weka. Go and Check the mpi website and you’ll see a range of research and farming advice offered. I’ve seen stuff there promoting low nitrogen farming models.big problem is they require more work even though they can provide a better return on capital.

                    • weka

                      Provide me a link to something specific infused, and I’ll do you an analysis of whether it is sustainable or not. Low nitrogen on its own doesn’t cut it I’m afraid.

                    • insider

                      That was just an example of one I know of. If you go to the sustainable farming fund section you’ll see more. You can check the research papers too. Plenty going on.

                    • weka

                      The problem infused is that you think something that is ‘low nitrogen’ is an example of sustainable farming. It’s not. Sorry but I’m not going to follow some vague trail of yours in that regards when you don’t appear to know what sustainability is. Put up some links of NACT initiated sustainable farming and I’ll have a look.

                      (various govt departments are and have always been involved in parts of the sustainability sector, but my statements still stands. NACT themselves are philosophically and in practice opposed to sustainability because it is inherently incompatible with making shitloads of money).

                    • weka

                      Sorry, insider.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Farmers are practical people, you have to provide working practical solutions.

                      This may come as a surprise but looking for alternative ways is actually part of the farmers job.

                    • tricledrown

                      blinkered Monetarist the Canterbury plains it was on country calender last year.
                      The farm had much lower overheads and was whey more profitable!

                • vto

                  Sheesh BM, the cowshit is flowing from you this morning….

                  “Are there any successful large scale dairy farms operating within NZ that follow Green principles.? An example that can be shown to farmers that demonstrates a feasible and practical alternative.”

                  An alternative to what BM? This is exactly the point. Do you know what you are talking about? An alternative to what?

                • tc

                  checkout ‘country calendar’, I’ve seen a few on there.

                  They realised their land/animals weren’t doing well, they make a better return as they don’t spend money on the fertiliser/animal welfare costs and have extra diversity with products like free range eggs.

                  Fonterra didn’t help by abandoning the organic milk premium pricing but it’s still worth their while and there’s always Open country/tatua etc after high quality milk.

                  • KJT

                    Plenty of farmers are doing the right things for the environment.

                    Losing expensive fertilizer down the creek is not good business, after all.

                    However, too many, are not.

                    Like the developers who only want to build top of the range houses, I think part of the problem is the high price and high cost of borrowing for land.

                    You have to farm intensively to make a return.

                    Farming is another place where sustainable improvements depend on getting land prices down towards reality, and young sharemilkers and farm hands into their own place, where they have an interest in making it sustainable long term, for their kids.

                    Corporate farming. Like every other business run on our current shareholding, managerial cult, corporate model, is entirely focused on short term gains.

                    Some of the old farmers, I used to know, took pride in how we looked after our land in New Zealand. I am sure they are turning in their graves these days.

                    • Macro

                      it’s not just the fertilizer down the creek – it’s the cow shit as well.
                      A normal sized dairy herd has the equivalent effluent discharge of a small sized town 3500 people. With increasing production from same sized land area – this means increasing effluent to be dealt with. It’s not always possible to just pump it onto the paddock….
                      Large amounts end up in our waterways.

                • Macro

                  http://www.gvd.co.nz/greenvalleydairies/organic.html

                  http://www.heb.co.nz/about-us/history.aspx third paragraph from the bottom

                  “The Pulman family remains the owner of HEB Construction Ltd. The family have other business interests including Marphona Farms and Green Valley Dairy. They are associated with a number of charitable trusts to whom “HEB” gives freely of its time and financial support. “HEB” is committed to giving back to the communities in which we participate.”

                  this is the largest biodynamic dairy farm in the southern hemisphere….

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.2.1.2

              The world is running out of affordable resources. We need to go Green now in order to avoid some very negative outcomes for very large numbers of people.

              • infused

                Won’t happen until we run out. You know that.

                Each time we come remotely close, something else comes along (fracking).

                • insider

                  Bloody people with their cursed ingenuity. How dare they find non Darwinian solutions

                  • Populuxe1

                    Indeed. Why don’t they just have to common decency to roll over and die for Malthus.

                    • Galeandra

                      Three Nactoids all in a row!!
                      So ok, frackers, have a look at this report of Mark Papa’s(Chair of EOG) comment (sourced from The Automatic Earth. )

                      http://theautomaticearth.com/Energy/shale-is-a-pipedream-sold-to-greater-fools.html

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      /facepalm

                      They’re not bypassing the limits like you think they are, they’re just making it so that there will be even more death. The world will go on – with or without us or the species that we make extinct in the process of making the world uninhabitable for ourselves.

                    • Populuxe1

                      Galeandra, I have never voted for Nact in my life. Actually almost always Labour until they got too neoliberal and I shifted to NZF.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining#Proposed_mining_projects

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Indeed. Why don’t they just have to common decency to roll over and die for Malthus.

                      Malthus was caught out by a single factor which he hadn’t anticipated: a 250 year period of cheap dense energy from fossil fuels.

                      We’re about 210 years through it now. 40 years to go (optimistically. After which fossil fuels will still be somewhat available but only for the elite). Fracking will see us grind through the next decade or so before all those fracked wells run dry (but the nearby fresh water permanently polluted).

            • yeshe 5.1.1.2.1.3

              Blinkered much BM ??

          • Populuxe1 5.1.1.2.2

            Pissing off China by waving Tibetan flags instead?

        • weka 5.1.1.3

          So what would the left propose we do.?
          How to we reclaim this 100% pure, a standard we’ve never had.

          Ah, the voice of people that hate nature.

          Fuck the 100% Pure brand. What is important is that we are polluting and degrading the environment at rate much faster than previous generations. To say it’s a standard we never had is a neoliberal mindfuck. Of course we never had what the brand claimed (because they weren’t interested in reality, they were interested in making money from advertising), but we did have something. Do you even know what it was? Do you have any idea what we are losing? Thought not.

      • Tiger Mountain 5.1.2

        This is a classic chance to argue for the diversification of the NZ economy. We rely too heavily on agriculture (polluting Dairy) for exports and low wage service sector for jobs (fast food, hospitality, caring, lawn mowing rounds, dog walking etc).

        Sheep and forest have been run down, textile and clothing gone off shore, import substitution industries long out of favour. A 21st century equivalent is needed. Knowledge wave? No we are in a shower of cowshit. Not too many more cows can be packed into this country and nor should they be.

        Fonterra will likely survive as an international corporate in Latin America, Asia and Europe however the NZ end shakes out. Fonterra contracted out communications which may have something to do with the “time frame issues” on the botulism baby food.

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1

          The 21st century industries must be based on localisation, preservation of local resources, and preparing for massive changes caused by climate change and loss of access to affordable fossil fuel energy.

          • King Kong 5.1.2.1.1

            I bags the job of village blacksmith since you already have idiot sewn up.

            • fender 5.1.2.1.1.1

              Nah you get to taste-test the shonKey produce of this banana republic, fool.

            • Jimmie 5.1.2.1.1.2

              You can’t be blacksmith. They will be banned as they need to burn coal to heat the iron.

              The green enforcement police would shut you down within hours.

              No I’m sorry each village will need to employ multiple numbers of idiots as that will be the only sustainable non polluting employment available.

              • weka

                Nice try, but too ignorant. You don’t need coal to run a blacksmith’s forge.

              • lprent

                Coal?- they wouldn’t be blacksmiths if they did. Perhaps you should read up about something before making a complete dork of yourself.

                Your knowledge of greens is just as pathetic as your knowledge of how to work metal.

          • Chooky 5.1.2.1.2

            CV +1

        • Draco T Bastard 5.1.2.2

          Not too many more cows can be packed into this country and nor should they be.

          The importation of palm kernel to feed the cows would be indicative that we already have too many cows.

          • Populuxe1 5.1.2.2.1

            More desirable than ruining tussock and river ecologies by irrigating the high country for pasture

            • vto 5.1.2.2.1.1

              Sheesh pop that is weak. I hope you are being sarcastic.

              I once spoke to an RMA hearing on an irrigation proposal application and one of the commissioners put across a similar line as you. His went exactly like this…

              “If the farmers cannot get growth by adding more water then how do you propose they get growth?”

              I kid you not. That was the level of thinking on the hearing panel.

              The hearing? Only the Central Plains Water scheme – the biggest one in the land taking water from the Rakaia and the Waimakariri to irrigate a vast swathe of central Canterbury and add to the already cowshit-polluted water in Rolleston darfield hororata Sheffield Christchurch. Only the scheme which this corrupt government sacked democracy at Ecan for and stole the resource for their farmer voters.

              What a frikkin’ joke.

              I have no respect for any of those players. They can sit in their own shit.

              • Populuxe1

                Did you actually read what I said? If we have too many cows, I’d rather they were fed on imported palm husks than our fragile ecological zones.

                • vto

                  Did you actually think about what you wrote?

                  It is not an either or situation – surely you can see that. If NZ has too many cows then some of them need to leave. Don’t go shoving our environmental shit onto other people in some other corner of the world. That’s like refusing to cut our own rimus for patios and decks and then going straight to mitre10 and getting balu from baluland.

                  But I have seen this approach in you before pop. The attitude of ‘get in first’, do it to them before they do it to us. So your approach is not surprising.

                  • Populuxe1

                    Yes, but the logistics of moving those cows without causing them considerable stress and undermining what represents a substantial investment on some people’s part seems to elude you.

                    • vto

                      Are you serious pop? Can you not see how easy it is to de-cow? Just don’t let the calves grow into cows……..

                      As for the investment – that is currently governed by regulations which allow this intensive agriculture per hectare. All that needs to happen is to put in place other regulations which allow for a sustainable level of agriculture per hectare. These regulations are already being adjusted down in this manner – check out recent various regional council new regulations on fertiliser application per hectare as an example of this process in action.

                      This will take some time but it is already underway.

                      Sometimes I don’t know if you are serious or taking the piss. You seem to have a very good grasp of certain aspects of the world and its machinations but then sometimes just completely the opposite…

                    • Populuxe1

                      I do sometimes wonder how attatched you are to your standard of living

            • marty mars 5.1.2.2.1.2

              I don’t think it’s an either/or situation – we are growing cows where they shouldn’t be grown and destroying valuable areas to do it – my personal bugbear are the wetland, swamps and marshes being drained and put into pasture – that is just the most idiotic thing to do as these transition areas between the land and sea are very very valuable but not in money terms.

              • vto

                But those areas are very valuable in money terms as without them we would have no ecological system to support agriculture. This is what these fools don’t seem to understand. (Or rather, they ignore for short term money (read, their lifetime only))

                (now back to the ban)

                • I’m not sure I know what you mean when you say, ” as without them we would have no ecological system to support agriculture.”

                  remember your ban is self imposed so you can rescind it whenever you want.

                  • vto

                    unban… without wetlands, or the interface between land and sea, I imagine the natural ecological system would collapse due to a complete imbalance. It would be like getting rid of the clouds and rain, or the worms and slugs, everything would seize up, slowly contract and wither and then blow away in the wind. Then agriculture here would be less able to function thereby earning less money and so wetlands absolutely do have a monetary value (among others) …. reban

                    • yes I agree – wetlands are one of the most underrated areas I believe and already here and overseas we have drained so many of them. I’d like to see more restoration of past wetlands and compulsory protection of existing wetlands.

      • infused 5.1.3

        Oh I am… which I’ve posted about already… but this post is just a winge.

    • Lightly 5.2

      yeah, cause it’s clearly Eddie’s job to fix the lie at the heart of the 100% Pure brand

      • AmaKiwi 5.2.1

        An old story about George W. Bush.

        Question: “What does George W. think?”

        Answer: “Oh, George W. doesn’t think, he believes!”

        The National neo-liberals don’t think. They believe. That their beliefs have been discredited by experience and reason is irrelevant. Have you ever seen a faith healer who could be influenced by science, experience, or reason? No faith healer has ever cured a cancer, but they are still popular because they deliver hope instead of reality. “A brighter future” to one and all.

      • infused 5.2.2

        Then why post about it? Does he want a hug? A pat on the back?

    • Pasupial 5.3

      @ Infused

      Insults have to be crafted – you can’t just shout; “I know you are, but what am I?” if you’re out of primary school (though that’s not a certainty in your case; given the quality of your argu-comments). If anything here is infused with the aroma of bullshit, it is your own words.

      You’re not worth banning.

  6. Private Baldrick 6

    I agree with Edwin, we should tell everyone that we’re no better than everyone.

  7. tc 7

    World already knows it’s 100% BS, Shonkey on hardtalk with his ‘I have another opinion’ and any decent journo (they have many of those in foreign lands ) can research our polluted waterways from dairy/industry. Then there’s fracking etc but I digress.

    This is about the mismanagement and culture within Fonterra which is a very middle/top heavy milk train that spends tens of millions on systems and process and failed on a basic food safety measure being enforced.

    No doubt the blame game’s well into the deciding set with a ‘systemic error’ or ‘process oversight’ being brought out soon to take the beating.

    People with knowledge doing a job often using elbow grease prevent such contaminations…..do they exist at Fonterra anymore or was it yet another restructure/process improvement/cost saving my monies on a few versions being full cream, lite and fat free.

  8. Tigger 8

    And yet Armstrong writes a glowing endorsement of how this mess has been handled by Key et al http://m.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10909115

    Zero analysis. No mention of how they’ve contributed to this.

  9. We’re living a lie in New Zealand.

    corrupt (v.)
    mid-14c., “contaminate, impair the purity of,” from Latin corruptus, past participle of corrumpere (see corrupt (adj.)). Late 14c. as “pervert the meaning of,” also “putrefy.” Related: Corrupted; corrupting.
    http://etymonline.com/?term=corrupt

    pervert (v.)
    c.1300 (transitive), “to turn someone aside from a right religious belief to a false or erroneous one,” from Old French pervertir “pervert, undo, destroy” (12c.) and directly from Latin pervertere “overthrow, overturn,” figuratively “to corrupt, subvert, abuse,” literally “turn the wrong way, turn about,” from per- “away” (see per) + vertere “to turn” (see versus).
    http://etymonline.com/?term=pervert

    “The whole of the common law is judge made.”
    http://www.pco.parliament.govt.nz/lac-chapter-3

    Alfred … established a code of laws that later became the basis of English Common Law.
    http://www.heritage-history.com/www/heritage.php?Dir=characters&FileName=alfred.php

    The Doom Book, Code of Alfred or Legal Code of Aelfred the Great was the code of laws (“dooms”, laws or judgments) compiled by Alfred the Great (c. 893 AD) from three prior Saxon codes, to which he prefixed the Ten Commandments of Moses and incorporated rules of life from the Mosaic Code and the Christian code of ethics.
    http://stefangillies.wordpress.com/alfred-the-great-legal-code/

  10. Tel 10

    According to Xinhua, “one could argue the country (NZ) is hostage to a blinkered devotion to laissez-faire market ideology” and I agree it’s undeniable, but why don’t they look at their own filthy backyard first, before casting aspersions toward us. If China had a brand it would be called 100% pure shit.

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      The Chinese are asking us to live up to our own standards and our own promises. That’s not a bad thing, is it?

      • Tel 10.1.1

        Depends whether you think a state run news agency taking an interest in our domestic affairs is a good or bad thing. Personally I’ve always believed the 100% Pure advert should have been killed off at birth. This dumb slogan is like living a lie and worse misrepresents our country to the outside world.

        I made a typo in the post above. It was supposed to read “If China had a brand would it be called 100% pure shit?”

        • bad12 10.1.1.1

          The fact that you think that it is simply China and it’s State news agency taking an unwarranted interest in our ‘domestic affairs’ simply shows that you bring little intelligence to the debate,

          Sending baby formula into the Chinese domestic market is hardly a simple ‘domestic affair’ concerning only this country, and nor is doing that while having at least some inkling that there was a potential problem with the formula ingredients which might have lead to the death of any number of infants in China…

          • Populuxe1 10.1.1.1.1

            If you compare our systems and responses in this case to the Melamide scandal, you might realise what bullshit that is – quite aside from the fact that this was accidental and that was deliberate poisoning of baby food. Also, given that the whey was not sealed in an anerobic environment like a tin can, it is highly unlikely botulism would have developed.
            Now perhaps the CHinese would like to stop selling us cheap toys covered in lead paint and such.

            • Puddleglum 10.1.1.1.1.1

              According to Professor Ian Shaw,

              There are two ways that BT in food can affect people.

              The first involves the consumer eating food contaminated with C botulinum, and then the bacteria grow and secrete BT in the consumer’s gut.

              The second requires the contaminated food to provide the ideal growth conditions for the bacteria, which results in BT being secreted into the food.

              The ideal growth conditions for C botulinum include lack of oxygen, low acid and plenty of nutrients. Milk whey in oxygen- free conditions would be just perfect.

              Now, I realise that he doesn’t explicitly say that the conditions of the whey in this case were ‘oxygen-free’ but the general tenor of his article suggests that he thinks they were a good environment for C. botulinum.

              Interesting details in the link about the toxicity and mode of operation.

    • vto 10.2

      China isn’t the one claiming to be 100% Pure.

    • weka 10.3

      “If China had a brand it would be called 100% pure shit.”

      It’s true that China has some very slack standards by the way NZ measures it. But China also grows alot of organic food, and in some areas is doing world-leading land restoration.

      http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2007/03/15/restoring-chinas-loess-plateau

      Google ‘loess plateau’ +john liu

  11. Rosetinted 11

    Of course, John Key says that 100% Pure is just a brand and everyone knows that we’re not an untouched virgin land.
    That is so true wot Jokeyhen says. So we will have to change our slogan, someone suggested 99% would be more appropriate. Anyone with a different number?

    It’s a bit like that comment about being a virgin or being pregnant, you are or you aren’t. Sometimes there is doubt for a while. (In certain countries that are fanatical about sexuality purity there is an operation that can be performed to restore the virginal untouched physical condition.) Either way the real condition needs managing and it makes for vulnerability, and care is required to stay healthy and well.

    Our vulnerable little country needs care and concern, TLC, the kiwis nurtured, the land, the bees cared for, the biosecurity pepped up. And nearly all organics – I think the Falklands Islands have done this. Pesticides should be cided themselves. People already know how to to grow with less chemicals, their have been controls on sprays and point of need spraying with pest counts done for years already in some sectors, so more treatment of food growing as an art not a gross factory industry.

    As for kiwis, people in the know say they may vanish within 50 years. If we don’t, bigfeet will be what’s left still roaming the country, there will still be moa of them.

  12. Descendant Of Sssmith 12

    Totally agree that control over effluent, water use, etc are things that need to be addressed in open ways.

    We still have some advantages in terms of green though in that we don’t add shit like this

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2008/8/28/food-and-beverages/milking-gm-technology

    If we settled for a little less profit and for a bit more effort to quality control and greener systems and processes we could maintain a strong market share for a long time.

    Other countries are being forced to take different roads due to population pressure / profit imperatives.

    We don’t need to.

    • yeshe 12.1

      My fear is TPPA will change our GM free status .. if Key does what he doing now in the relative open, hard to imagine what it is he might be doing completely out of sight. We need to fight this all the way imho.

  13. BLiP 13

    Yep, all true Eddie, and I would only add that our “flagship” corporation, Fonterra, is responsible for a huge part of ruining our environment. The head long rush into dairy farming was driven by greed and facilitated by the short-term thinking which, in turn, pollutes the New Zealand political process.

    So far as this latest fuck up is concerned, Fonterra has much more to explain than just how this incident occurred. Judging by the last time milk powder exports were tainted, Fonterra has not learned a thing. To make matters worse, Fonterra itself pissed all over the “100% Pure” brand by using the DCD-poisoning incident as an excuse for the futher pollution of New Zealand’s water resources. And this after having been caught out lying about the results of its PR-only Clean Streams Accord.

    The government also has some ‘splaining to do. Its own head-long rush into deregulation and the concomitant, deliberate impoverishment of monitoring agencies has now, it seems, reached the inevitable nadir. With its idological faith in the “invisible hand” of “the market”, National Ltd™ has left the protection of New Zealand’s primary industry sector exposed to people who, it seems, can’t even monitor their own farms. John Key doesn’t appear to have a clue about what’s still to come with his recent opening of New Zealand up to the charms of the international mining community. One spill from one of the holes to be dug directly into the currently rumbling Pacific tectonic plates hasn’t even crossed the government’s mind – or, if it has, John Key doesn’t give a fuck. Such is National Ltd™’s rush to open our nation up to the mining companies, it has breached international law to urgently strip away civil liberties from those who might oppose such idiocy. One can only anticipate further reductions in worker protections next.

    The orchestrated litany of the John Key-led National Ltd™ government actions against our environment is now almost too long to be taken in. And, you’re right, not much of all this has happened outside the purview of the average New Zealander. Most of it has happened right under their very noses. Marching up and down Queen St is great but lets hope this mood filters through to next year’s voting booths.

    • Macro 13.1

      +100
      Great summing up of the sorry mess this greedy mob have foisted upon NZ.
      We cannot afford another 3 years of their incompetence and selfishness.
      They must go.

    • yeshe 13.2

      +100% thank you… they have to be voted out.

    • Rosetinted 13.3

      Blip
      Your points remind me of the awful problem that Japan has with its damaged nuclear reactors and the nuclear managers are supposed to be containing nuclear waste from polluting the Pacific Ocean. The big boys there haven’t cared enough about probable damage occurring from placing this hazardous business on sites that are also hazardous.

      And the Japanese have been very smart and intelligent in their development, but we aren’t, I think. Did they outsmart themselves? We should be aware of our deficiencies in the smarts section and taiho, step back, think again, be…cautious? And seek what’s best to do not what’s momentarily expedient and profitable.

    • Draco T Bastard 13.4

      One spill from one of the holes to be dug directly into the currently rumbling Pacific tectonic plates hasn’t even crossed the government’s mind – or, if it has, John Key doesn’t give a fuck.

      Oh, it’s not just John Key that doesn’t give a fuck – it’s National in its entirety and a fairly large chunk of the populace. For these people, having money is far more important than having an environment that will support our children and grandchildren.

  14. johnm 14

    “And it’s the lose of that brand” Should read ” And it’s the loss of that brand”

    Yes, everyone here knows we are not clean and green and that includes the huge amounts of 1080 poison we drop to keep possums under control.

    The image still appeals on the basis of our iconic rainforests and mountain rivers, our Alps and the still beautiful beaches and warm seas to the North.Also our low population and the sense of plenty of space here. That’s why we can’t risk a deep water horizon here, the protesters are right.

    • MrSmith 14.1

      Yes but the largest users of 1080 in New Zealand are the Animal Health Boards (DOC continually gets the blame though) most 1080 is dropped for no other reason than to control TB and protect our farming industry.

      The is a lot of misinformation around 1080 and really there are plenty of other issues that are far more important around industries dealing with the waste and pollution created from the products they sell.

      • vto 14.1.1

        “most 1080 is dropped for no other reason than to control TB and protect our farming industry.”

        That’s right mrsmith and I don’t know if you have been following it but many various Westland valleys with few farms but which have vast areas of possum-ridden native bush backing onto them have recently found that TB has been spreading irrespective of the presence of possums.

        This was reported on about three weeks ago across the west coast. So 1080 may not even work that the TB purpose.

      • Rosetinted 14.1.2

        Mr Smith
        That TB business surprises me. I know we have been fighting it for years and thought we would have developed some science to deal with it better by now.

        And I was shocked to hear that one farmer had to kill a whole herd because of the outbreak in a few in one area. I think I heard just recently that it can remain latent without showing up on tests and pop up some years later. Just when the farmer might think things are okay. Foot and mouth and this – I don’t think we are putting our science spearhead and funding enough on these problems.

        • MrSmith 14.1.2.1

          Bovine Tb (tuberculosis). – Possums are very susceptible to bovine Tb and the disease progresses rapidly in possums. Infected possums excrete large quantities of the bacteria and if they are feeding on pasture where cattle or deer also feed there is a great risk of spreading the disease. Creating a major threat to New Zealand milk and beef exports.
          http://biosecurity.org.nz/about-us/animal-pests/

  15. Rosetinted 15

    johnm
    1080 poison is doing more good than bad in NZ the way it is utilised. It suits some people to constantly badmouth it and quote statistics that suit them. Then there are the other statistics about how 1080 is of value in assisting the growth of previously threatened species.

    • vto 15.1

      Don’t know if 1080 is clear cut like that rosetinted. Some people loathe it. Governments can’t be trusted to make the right decisions about it (or know everything about a product. eg 245T, DDT, formaldehyde, asbestos, on it goes…)

      Also, I have seen firsthand where birdlife has been near obliterated after a 1080 drop in a catchment.

      You may also like to ask yourself why DOC doesn’t use it around Okarito…. reason being it kills too many birds (kiwis there).

      Then of course there are all the health concerns for dropping such a heinous poison into our waterways (which most West Coasters get their water from).

      1080 would seem to have a place, but a minor and very infrequent one. Drops followed by comprehensive trapping programmes are the way to go.

      Bloody possums – who let them in here?

      • Rosetinted 15.1.1

        Yes vto It can’t be applied with the precision of keyhole surgery.

        1080 would seem to have a place, but a minor and very infrequent one. Drops followed by comprehensive trapping programmes are the way to go.
        Bloody possums – who let them in here?

        Too right. Absolutely! And proper spending by government on controls and people-oriented eradication. Needs investment in our green land.

        As marty mars says – Not lala land! – we want greenland.

        • Poission 15.1.1.1

          Eradication of Possum,rats and mice would have a substantive result on the response of vegetation in NZ.The interesting side effect say with Possums is that it would effectively halve the effects of GHG transport emissions by increasing the sink efficiency.

      • MrSmith 15.1.2

        “Also, I have seen firsthand where birdlife has been near obliterated after a 1080 drop in a catchment.”

        So you had been into the catchment before the drop? and what science was done before and after regarding bird numbers.

        • vto 15.1.2.1

          Yes. And it was my own assessment – thought that would have been apparent. Though I do have a couple of degrees, one in such science, does that count?

          But genuinely – was on the alert from before the drops (in varied locations) until well after. The difference was very noticeable and substantial.

          • Draco T Bastard 15.1.2.1.1

            But genuinely – was on the alert from before the drops (in varied locations) until well after. The difference was very noticeable and substantial.

            Did the bird life come back afterwards? I.e, if you went back there now would there be more or less than what was there before the drop?

            EDIT:
            I tend to refer to Rangitoto in discussions like this because I recall what it was like before the 1080 drop.

            • vto 15.1.2.1.1.1

              Not yet draco but I’m watching closely. The areas I keep an eye on are still much quieter than before the last round of drops a couple years ago. By all reports the bird life does come back, and has done so in previous drops, so fingers crossed.

              But this highlights the further problem – these drops are done – birds and possums are obliterated or close to. Then, they all come back again, both birds and possums, because there is no follow-up procedure to clean out the remaining possums missed by the drop. So it is all a waste of time because a decade later and the whole thing has to happen again, never really getting anywhere.

              Possums really are shit. The areas devastated by their munching and reproducing brings tears to the eyes. Rata and fuschia especially nailed. Many people don’t notice it but when it is pointed out it stands out like dogs balls. And they are spreading. There are few catchments left untouched by them.

              There are people who make a living from trapping. Quite a few. This should be enhanced and a broad attack wave launched on the possums.

              • Macro

                totally agree vto.
                I wonder if we are building up a rod for our backs like poor use of antibiotics – getting a result for a while then the bug coming back with a vengeance.

        • grumpy 15.1.2.2

          Same here, vto is right on this one…

          • vto 15.1.2.2.1

            why thanks grumpy but somehow that implies it is a rare moment…..

            and if that’s the case then maybe you’re right and I should drift back to the other side ……

            • grumpy 15.1.2.2.1.1

              There is a small block way up the South Branch of the Mokihinui River where they use as a trial control block. It is 1080′d the shit out of – absolutely dead!

              There is a reason why it is so remote – so no trampers and greenies get to see it!

          • MrSmith 15.1.2.2.2

            Of-course he is Grumpy! With all due respect vto should know better than to rely on his own observations, without doing any science.

      • Populuxe1 15.1.3

        When was the last time you saw a bird eat a carrot? That tends to be the usual deployment method

        • grumpy 15.1.3.1

          They drink the water from puddles in the bush, sometimes with a 1080 bait sitting in it.

          • Populuxe1 15.1.3.1.1

            Highly unlikely. 1080 is highly water soluable and dilutes incredibly quickly
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_fluoroacetate

            • grumpy 15.1.3.1.1.1

              In a not too long ago trial at Franz Josef, DoC radio tagged 18 kea of which 6 were poisoned by the 1080 drop. 33%, significant?

              http://www.keaconservation.co.nz/keaendangeredspecies/keawildpopulation/1080andkea.html

              • Populuxe1

                Statistically? No. Not compared to the net good

                • grumpy

                  Oh great! So we’ll just kill off 33% of the native bird life because Pop says it’s not statistically significant and “for the net good”.

                  OK, we agree the possums need to go but where is the urgent research into biological means such as that have reduced rabbits to a manageable level?

                  • Descendant Of Sssmith

                    I’ve always understood that the problem with drops is that 1080 ends up in the crooks of the trees where water gathers that birds drink.

                    The advantage of drops is that it’s cheaper and can cover a wider area more quickly than walking in and setting bait traps etc.

                    You will always get some variable loss of birdlife as far as I know with drops.

                    It’s a difficult trade off.

                    Last I heard from DOC they could supply a mate of mine with traps but had no funding for manpower for their family’s large area of beech forest.

                    I’d happily pay more tax to have the state provide more money to DOC to run more labour intensive program’s to get rid of possums.

                    Trapping and shooting is fine for the easy to get to spots but there’s loads of country that ain’t that accessible.

                    Money to put in and maintain more tracks to improve access would also be useful to go the more labour intensive ways.

                    • grumpy

                      “I’d happily pay more tax to have the state provide more money to DOC to run more labour intensive program’s to get rid of possums.”

                      Me too.

                  • Populuxe1

                    We could just leave the birds to be eaten by possums :)

                • Rosetinted

                  Pop
                  That’s the problem isn’t it. It’s supposed to be short term loss for long term gain.
                  The 1080 certainly has to be in careful doses.

                  Do observers know all about why these areas they quote as suffering a big hit were chosen? Observing before and after without understanding the management and assessment of predators and risks in the area means that it is hard to make a reasoned analysis, it becomes an opinionated observation.

                  • Populuxe1

                    Indeed. I would have thought that logically they would test in areas where there are few critically endangered species in order to monitor the risks. Also I doubt there would be many birds in areas heavily infested with possums or deer

          • richard 15.1.3.2.1

            And possums love bird eggs, birds, bats and giant land snails.
            http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/possums/page-4
            Here you can watch a possum eating a juvenile kea –
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt-TF-fcRqk

            • grumpy 15.1.3.2.1.1

              Bullshit, there are millions of possums in Australia and they don’t eat keas. So why do only the NZ species eat them?

              • richard

                My guess is because they don’t have kea in Australia. Kea being a native NZ species, and all.

                • Rosetinted

                  richard
                  What do possums eat in Australia? Do you know? They are denuding us, how does Australia have any trees left with them around and being so close to Aussie’s hearts. Are they protected there?

                  • grumpy

                    Bloody oath they are protected, you can’t even swear at them!

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Which keeps me coming back to the bloody question: If the Australians love their possums so bloody much, why don’t they come and pick them up?

                      Hey, I know, if any Australian wants NZ will put any possum they pick up in to quarantine free. They just have to pick them up, supply a cage and the airfare to Australia. Seems reasonable to me. They get their possums back and we get rid of them.

                  • richard

                    I’d reckon that because the Australian plants and possums evolved together, the plants would have some good possum defence – unlike New Zealand plants, which only had to build up defence against Moa – http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/science/plants-animals-fungi/ecosystems/prehistoric-settlement/megaherbivores/background

                    • grumpy

                      The way things were going in the 70′s and 80′s were a good step forward. Clear felling and burning succulent native forest (which is primo tucker for possums) and replacing with Pinus Radiata (which ain’t).
                      Maybe they should have just carried on and done the whole country, that would have sorted out possum numbers!

                    • Rosetinted

                      Thanx richard

                  • KJT

                    Australian vegetation has adapted over centuries of being browsed by large marsupials. Ours hasn’t!

                    While we are on the subject, when we lived out of town the bush was almost silent and the native trees, especially pohutukawa, were dying. Two years after a 1080 drop, and I have to admit, our cats, which had a taste for baby possums, rats and rabbits, there was bird life everywhere. Including wood pigeons, morepork and so many Pukeko, they were a pain..

              • lprent

                No keas in Aussie perhaps?

              • grumpy

                Bugger!!! Who would have thought? Maybe those Aussie possums have eaten them all??

                • lprent

                  Nope. They evolved long after NZ departed Gondwanaland and separated from each other. Of course in aussie the dinosaurs of the air had at least 85-80 million years to get adapted to the possums and their progenitors (that being the approximate date that NZ departed).

                  While in NZ they did not as few land animals managed to survive the cretaceous extinctions 65mya or the subsequent widespread dunkings that these islands got as the NZ continent got massaged by the pacific and aussie plates..

      • weka 15.1.4

        “Also, I have seen firsthand where birdlife has been near obliterated after a 1080 drop in a catchment.”

        The theory is that even though there is bird loss, the subsequent breeding birds and offspring do much better in the absence of predators and the absence of foliage eaters, and so the bird populations increase overall. I’ve certainly been in bush with good 1080 controll and see much better birdlife than other places.

        Not quite sure how that works given that 1080 primarily kills possums. Maybe it works best in areas that are trapping stoats and rats too.

        I’m against 1080 btw. I think many (not all) places it is being used, could be using trapping schemes that provide employment and a fur trade instead.

      • MrSmith 15.1.5

        “Then of course there are all the health concerns for dropping such a heinous poison into our waterways (which most West Coasters get their water from).”

        Vto: Compared to all the waste leeching into their creeks from old and new gold/coal mines, plus the dairy farms then really them worrying about 1080 is the height of hypocrisy, but really this debate is nothing but a distraction for the coasters to blame all there problems on those bloody greenies, they, the coasters still live in the past, fuck just tune into one of their radio stations some time.

        • vto 15.1.5.1

          Sheesh, that sounds like a whole lot of pent-up prejudice there.

          “Compared to all the waste leeching into their creeks from old and new gold/coal mines” … sure but you may be surprised at the rising antagonism towards those bastards who really do leave the land in a mess and usually unuseable for any following generations.

          “plus the dairy farms” … sure, but they are making progress, albeit slower than elsewhere,

          “them worrying about 1080 is the height of hypocrisy” … not really. Speak to them and you will get a wholly different side to the equation,

          “but really this debate is nothing but a distraction for the coasters to blame all there problems on those bloody greenies,”… no they blame a great deal of their issues on interference from outside the province, which has been a perennial problem for them. Examples – Strongman, Pike River, Gold boom, timber industry, DOC and its non payment of any rates, the list is very long. As for the greenies, sure they don’t get far in certain circles, but what I see there is a splitting of the community. Greenies on the up, anti-greenies on the slide. Check back in another generation.

          ” they, the coasters still live in the past,”… better than living in John Key’s stinked-up world.

          “fuck just tune into one of their radio stations some time.” …. calm now. Each to their own.

          • Colonial Viper 15.1.5.1.1

            Exactly. Fact is, I’d trust most coasters further than I’d trust the fucking set off Molesworth St.

  16. BLiP 16

    Ooops . . . to many tabs open.

  17. It is tough when mythology meets reality. The 100% line was marketing, designed to sell our product whether meat or the mountains. We who live here knew it was bullshit but we wanted to believe it was true and all the other places around the world were so much worse than us – that is part of the mythology as well and it is still there evidenced by, “who are they to tell us that” lines. You can’t swim in the rivers without getting sick – that is the truth. We have quite a few mythologies in this place and they need to be torn down bit by bit so that the truth can see the light of day and once that happens we can get on with trying to fix stuff – if we continue to live in la la land nothing will improve.

  18. Steve Wrathall 18

    “most of the rivers are unsafe to swim due to the farm run-off,”
    Source please

  19. Populuxe1 19

    Excessive butthurt over silly marketing slogan. I wonder why China isn’t criticising us on our human rights record?…

    • fender 19.1

      Another term or two from National and China will have plenty of critical human rights ammo to shoot at NZ, especially if one J Collins becomes leader.

    • Rosetinted 19.2

      Populuxe1 and grumpy – Why don’t you stick to watching Coronation Street? Or there is a really gripping Computer game called Walking Dead with zombies and a great little girl called Clementine, that would keep you busy.

      Fonterra and China – it’s all about business and it’s about food quality and standards. Don’t get all mixed up – that’s all that you have to understand. We want them to buy our milk, and we want to get a good price and they want to buy it because it is so good and reliably high quality and they will pay extra than for other brands to get it.

      So Fonterra has let down the customers there and the suppliers, by continuing to trade with some doubts about quality of some of our product and not letting on about this. They are annoyed, even angry, that we didn’t front up and inform them. They wonder if they can trust us, now and in the future to be straight dealers. They wonder if anything else we are trying to sell them has ‘fish-hooks’, and they wonder if we are capable of the same dirty dealing that their own people had tried. They thought we were better than that, and they wonder if they were wrong. A lot of doubt and wondering is going on about business standards and behaviour from Fonterra, and this will flow on to other NZ companies trying to do business in China.

      Human rights in the sense of not treating people right and letting them mouth off as we are, is another subject entirely.

      • grumpy 19.2.1

        You are correct. We charge a premium by trading on our pristine image. That incurs a cost – the cost of preserving at least the illusion.
        Fonterra stuffed up its primary marketing argument and for that they deserve everything coming to them.
        This starts and finishes with Fonterra, the Govt are as much a victim as China.

  20. grumpy 20

    Anyone died yet? Anyone even slightly sick?

    Seems like bugger all of a food scandal by Chinese standards…….

  21. of course there is one sure-fire way to restore our ‘green’ brand..

    ..and that is to follow the path of uraguay..and legalise/regulate/sell/tax pot..

    ..eh..?

    ..that’ll bring back the tourists in droves..

    ..and solve the poverty problems in both northland and the east cape..

    ..in one fell swoop..

    ..eh..?

    ..bring on the green-rush..!..i say..

    ..phillip ure..

    • bad12 21.1

      Or we could always market the rivers and streams that have recently been turned pink and purple by industrial waste as being ‘natural wonders’…

      • Rosetinted 21.1.1

        But they’re so pretty when they get all that white and yellow froth at the edge.

  22. blue leopard 22

    I believe this government hasn’t wanted to pursue the 100% Pure brand for NZ, so this event will really play into their agenda.

    They want mining, they want what big money interests want and the 100% Pure brand obstructs the easy passage for such interests.

    Once the initial drama of this event dies down; just you wait for the next round of squawking for mining that our government MPs will immediately start pursuing.

    • blue leopard 23.1

      @ Populuxe1

      I see what you mean!

      Is it satire? Some of the comments seem like it must be?

      It is hard to imagine these words coming out of our PM’s mouth:

      “Prime Minister John Key today acknowledged the commentary in Chinese media, saying that he understood that China was “widely respected” as a role model for progressive, forward-thinking nations with an eye on improving quality of life for everyone.”

      He must have had real trouble managing the last sentence without dry-retching methinks. Sounds like anathema for him.

  23. Crystal Voyager 24

    http://www.nme.com/nme-video/youtube/id/hGV_cMtnsHI

    Dave Nash Band, Fonterra You Dirty Bastards video
    Original song by New Zealand songwriter Dave Nash and his band, about milk giant Fonterra and greed.

  24. Rhinocrates 25

    What none of you realise, and which would render all of this debate meaningless, and in the current climate, treasonable, is that there are other opinions .

    The Keyster said himself on the BBC, no less: he can simply find another opinion.

    So what the Hell is the problem?

    • Colonial Viper 25.1

      No problem, nothing to see here, when is the next season of XFactor starting?

  25. Populuxe1 26

    What everyone seems to be ignoring is that this piece of propoganda puffery has been produced for internal Chinese consumption to try and revive the local dairy industry that went tits up after the melamide crisis.

    • Rosetinted 26.1

      Pop
      Yes, shoehorns in nicely doesn’t it. Fonterra slipped on a banana and so came fifth instead of forth. Had to happen. Everything had seemed to be going well for a surprising length of time.

    • Colonial Viper 26.2

      What everyone seems to be ignoring is that this piece of propoganda puffery has been produced for internal Chinese consumption

      Yes what with all the Mainland Chinese who have access to the interwebs and read in English.

      • Populuxe1 26.2.1

        CV, this is the English Language version. Why would a Chinese news service publish entirely in English? This is the English verison of a Mandarin text which was no doubt published in China as it appears to be written from that perspective. And actually all that stuff about the Great Fire Wall is overrated – there is only a select number of sites Mainland Chinese can’t access and even them they find a way around it.

  26. xtasy 27

    Forgive me, please, forgive me, I was ranting over a month ago, I was angry, furious, I was out of control, but this topic again hits my nerves, it stirs me up!!

    I have been in NZ since the early 1980s and went through the Shipley and Ruthanasia agenda, even being on a benefit then, for a while, feeling forced to put in a vege garden, as my and others’ benefits were cut, yes CUT!

    I survived with immense pain and hurt, it was unbelievable what went on then, but there were no damned jobs, and the Nat government then did not care a shit about you and me, certainly not the environment.

    Now we get this talk again about NZ needing to be competitive internationally and to make compromises. I have this damned ring in my ears, loud and clear, about the “competitive advantage” this country would have to realise, and it was some US based “expert” preaching through the NZ media then that we all need to accept agriculture, dairy, horticulture, fisheries, forestry and such are our future. Fair enough governments and many in the populace thought, and in the end they went along with it. I believe the link here shows an insight, unless I am wrong.

    http://www.management.co.nz/executiveupdate.asp?eID=298

    What has happened since? Nothing much new, a bit more exports, imports, more selling out of assets and shares, of business, of interests, a FTA with China and this and that. So what have we now? Heavy industrialised agri production, polluting rivers, heavy traffic of personal car traffic in cities, reaching worst global standards, exploitation of fisheries, forestry and so forth, little gain, much pain. So got it, if you care?

    NZ has been and is being sold out, bit by bit, day and night, and house by house, I see it here in Auckland. Call me a racist to raise the issue about migrant property purchases? I am not, I just comment on what I see day in and out. I have also over decades seen NZ business and farms being sold out.

    I am not even NZ born, but I think, if you as Kiwis allow this any longer, you are selling your own self out under your feet. It is stupid and idiotic. And this 100 per cent pure business is stuffed already anyway, as the whole Fonterra and other dairy intensification has stuffed it all up. We really have created a huge national corporate, to bend rules and do what they see fit, even dress themselves up to claim they feed the hungry school kids now, it is idiotic, idiotic, how Kiwis fall for all this shit, to think they have to defend the farmer lobby controlled corporate monopoly and believe they will benefit from it.

    Get your brain put into the laundromat perhaps, a good rinse is overdue!

    • Murray Olsen 27.1

      Welcome back. I like this better than your last post. Most of us here are trying to improve things, in the ways we know how.

  27. xtasy 28

    This is Brian Easton’s take on ‘Upgrading New Zealand’s Competitive Advantage’, also referred to as “The Porter Project”, that was published and much hailed in business, right wing political and even media circles then:

    http://www.eastonbh.ac.nz/1991/06/the_porter_project/

    Not surprisingly Easton showed a dim view of this agenda for New Zealand, but the then government used it to push ahead with their agenda to slash welfare, to sell and privatise state owned assets, to “liberalise” so many laws, regulations and conditions, some of which led to the leaky building scandal, the Pike River Mine disaster, an increasing wealth and income gap, and many more disastrous events or developments.

    New Zealanders are still paying for consequences of these experiments, while the NatACT government are pushing for more experiments, leading to yet further damage and selling out of this country.

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    MANA will be launching its Reo Māori policy at 10am Thursday 24 July, at Matangireia (the old Māori Affairs Select Committee room at Parliament). We will also be addressing our concerns regarding the Minister of Māori Affairs Māori Language Strategy...
    Mana | 22-07
  • Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense
    The Green Party welcomed the Environmental Protection Authority's draft decision announced today not to allow the $90 million Basin Reserve flyover in Wellington to proceed."Both popular and expert opinion opposed the flyover. The proposal was expensive, unnecessary and would have...
    Greens | 22-07
  • Loss Leading could destroy Kiwi lamb’s reputation
    Meat companies that supply supermarkets and sell New Zealand lamb as a loss leader in the United Kingdom should lose their access to this valuable quota market, said Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson Damien O’Connor. “Our reputation as a Lamb producer...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Ae Marika! 22 July 2014
    The big storm has gone, but the damage that it did and the saturation levels that it reached meant that smaller storms quickly overwhelmed roading, and water-flow systems again in the north. And although certain individuals are talking up the...
    Mana | 21-07
  • 2014 Roger Award nominations now open
    The Roger Award is for The Worst Transnational Corporation Operating in Aotearoa/New Zealand in 2014 Nominations are now open please visit the website to nominate the worst TNC in Aotearoa. You will need to include reasons why you think your...
    Mana | 21-07
  • Labour will revive the regions with new fund
    The next Labour Government will co-develop Regional Growth Plans for every region of New Zealand and will invest at least $200 million in a fund to create breakthrough opportunities for jobs and sustainable growth, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says....
    Labour | 21-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood: Weekend at Bernie’s lll – ACT in Epsom
    While no one will be surprised by yesterday’s deal to prop up ACT in Epsom, the audacity of it is still astounding. ACT is a political corpse. Their sole MP has been found guilty of electoral fraud and bides his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • So how’s all the ‘ Labour Party man ban’ hysteria working out for you...
    Remember all the screams from the media at the so called ‘man ban’ of the Labour Party? Labour’s attempt at gender equality was really just more evidence of Labour’s man hate,  feminists were taking over, heterosexual red blooded men burnt at the stake....
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Paul Henry; the issue is you, not flag-burning
    There will always be reductive, dangerous and reactionary responses to different forms of oppressive violence by our western, often biased, mainstream media. These reactionary responses purposefully distract from the real issues and those who are at the root and the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Oh now John Armstrong and Vernon Small want to talk about policy?
    The audacity of the mainstream media seems to know no end. This week both John Armstrong and Vernon Small had the hilarity to demand a focus on policy and not ‘gotcha’ politics… John Armstrong: The ‘gotcha politics’ disease is afflicting...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira  Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press Releases“I’m sorry I can’t be at parliament for the valedictory speeches of Tariana Turia...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Burning the flag or accepting the evil
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Burning the flag or accepting the evil Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press ReleasesBurning the Israeli flag in Auckland in protest over the murder of innocent civilians...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid”
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid” Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press ReleasesJordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says a MANA billboard “appears to have been funded by taxpayers”,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches ...
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches te reo Māori policy  Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Annette Sykes, Press Releases, Te Hamua Nikora“MANA...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy Thursday, 24 Jul 2014 | Press Release Our Solar in Schools policy will allow them to save money on electricity – money which can be...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Media Release: New report on GP costs for 6-17 year olds
    MIL OSI – Source: Child Poverty Action Group – Headline: Media Release: New report on GP costs for 6-17 year olds 24 July 2014 Free doctor’s visits should be extended to all children under 18 as GP charges are a...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • 3 reasons why I can’t care about Gerry Brownlee’s airport security fias...
    I find it very difficult to get upset about Gerry Brownlee barging through airport security for 3 simple reasons. Firstly I think airport security in this country is a total farce. Why we need to be conditioned to security searches...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • How the Opposition win Epsom now Key has cemented Goldsmith into place
    One fear I had this election would be that National listened to Matthew Hooton and removed Goldsmith from the ballot box to leave the race open enough for David Seymour to ensure an ACT Party victory. Thankfully National Party hubris...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Now Conservative Party has been killed off, is a vote for NZ First a vote f...
    Are Winston and John Key new Best Friends Forever?   Colin Craig and his Conservative Party have been cleverly played and tricked and trapped by National. Whatever promises and flirtations Key made with Craig last year have eventuated into nothing....
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away ...
    The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away with it...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Best National Party Billboard
    Best National Party Billboard...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Annette Sykes to launch campaign for Waiariki Annette Sykes, MANA candidate...
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Annette Sykes to launch campaign for Waiariki Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Posted on July 28, 2014 by admin in Annette Sykes, Press ReleasesAt midday tomorrow, Annette Sykes will officially launch...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Something Fishy About Nick Smith’s Game.
    NICK SMITH’S crude intimidation of the Fish and Game Council points to the bleakest of environmental futures should National be re-elected on 20 September. It is now considerably clearer than 60 percent of New Zealand’s lakes, rivers and streams that...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Minister shouldn’t stop Fish and Game doing its job
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Minister shouldn’t stop Fish and Game doing its job Monday, 28 Jul 2014 | Press Release Fish and Game is supposed to advocate for clean and healthy rivers, it’s the law. It...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Key’s odd personal hypocrisy in Epsom, his kiss of death to the Maori Par...
    Aside from tricking Colin Craig into running in an electorate National can crush him in, John Key has announced three things in his election deals that are ill thought out. The first is his deal with the Maori Party. At a time...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Public deserves electoral integrity
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Public deserves electoral integrity National’s deals with spent political forces ACT and United Future will be met with a deepening sense of unease over the manipulation of MMP, Labour Leader David Cunliffe...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Out of control costs raise questions about National Science Challenges
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Out of control costs raise questions about National Science Challenges Amid strong criticism of the value of the National Science Challenges from some of the country’s senior scientists, new figures show administrative...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Low build numbers and faulty repairs: what has Brownlee been doing?
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Low build numbers and faulty repairs: what has Brownlee been doing? Despite being a man in a hurry new figures show just 2160 new homes, thousands fewer than needed, have been built...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • UNEMIG: Disgraced hotel operator still hasn’t learned
    MIL OSI – Source: First Union – Headline: UNEMIG: Disgraced hotel operator still hasn’t learned A publicly disgraced Auckland hotel is still not paying their workers the minimum wage, according to the Union Network of Migrants (UNEMIG). Last week the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Christchurch CHEP workers walk off the job again
    MIL OSI – Source: First Union – Headline: Christchurch CHEP workers walk off the job again Workers at Brambles-owned CHEP Christchurch have walked off the job again today to protest the employer’s refusal to negotiate an improved pay offer, according...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Why it’s all over for the Conservative Party
    Whatever flirtations were made months ago to Colin Craig by National strategists, the polling must have come back showing them too much of their soft urban vote would walk if Key was in Government with Colin Craig.  The necessary inside muscle to...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Balance in the NZ Herald and has something gone terribly wrong at the Heral...
    So the ‘balance’ in the NZ Herald this year for the election will be… Guest columnists will include the acerbic Cactus Kate from the radical right, former Labour candidate Josie Pagani and broadcaster Mark Sainsbury. Right, so that would be...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Joyce’s heavy hand stifling innovation
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Joyce’s heavy hand stifling innovation Monday, 28 Jul 2014 | Press Release “The heavy hand of Steven Joyce is destroying New Zealand’s innovation economy.” The National Government should allow scientists and businesses...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • CERA spends almost $2m on 7000 flights
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: CERA spends almost $2m on 7000 flights CERA has spent $1.8 million on 7286 flights from Christchurch to Wellington in three years – a huge waste of money as Cantabrians still wait...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Nick Smith oversteps the mark yet again
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Nick Smith oversteps the mark yet again Nick Smith has yet again completely overstepped the mark as a minister – this time with a threat to muzzle Fish and Game if they...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Phew – National Party hubris seals strategy
    The National Party are bot listening to Matthew Hooton. Phew. Hooton has crunched the numbers and based on past polling National always drops 6 points come election day. National aren’t listening. Barging through the need to cut deals with all...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Noam Chomsky on the TPPA
    Noam Chomsky on the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Unacceptable secrecy around labelling people terrorists
    It’s good to see the Sunday Star-Times attempting to get more information from government agencies about Daryl Jones, the Kiwi killed in a US drone strike in Yemen.  The paper is right to complain about the government’s refusal to provide...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • A critical deconstruction of John Key – what’s behind the facade?
    Aspiring national leaders need a popular narrative of their rise to power.  Once in office, the narrative can be refined to fit the requirements of leadership and re-election.  Such is the purpose of John Roughan’s John Key: Portrait of  a...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Radio Live – off Mark
    The Top Marks lasted five weeks on Mediaworks radio station The Sound. This may have something to do with last being relevant in the mid-1980s when there were only two commercial FM licences in Auckland and they were on one...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Wellingtonians say ‘No!’ to Israeli aggression
    .   . Wellington, NZ, 26 July – About 600 Wellingtonians, and from further afield, met at the Cuba Mall Bucket fountain under a wintery sunny sky, to protest Israel’s continuing aggression in the Gaza strip, which – at the...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Greens call for shipping lanes backed by Maritime Union
    MIL OSI – Source: Maritime Union of New Zealand – Headline: Greens call for shipping lanes backed by Maritime Union The Maritime Union is backing the Green Party’s policy to implement compulsory shipping lanes for coastal shipping, announced 27 July...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now
    MIL OSI – Source: Maritime Union of New Zealand – Headline: Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now The Maritime Union is urging the Government to push through a Bill reforming the fishing industry. Maritime Union of New...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga  Posted on July 27, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press Releases“It’s great to have Georgie on board” said Hone Harawira, MANA...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Israel/Gaza conflict: Questions and Answers
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Israel/Gaza conflict: Questions and Answers What does Amnesty International think of the resolution passed by the UN Human Rights Council on 23 July? What should happen next?Amnesty International welcomes resolution S-21/1...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Green Party launches plan to protect our beaches from oil spills
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Green Party launches plan to protect our beaches from oil spills Sunday, 27 Jul 2014 | Press Release Like New Zealand chose to go nuclear free, we can add to our national...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Shasha Ali – I am an indigenous person but I will never call ...
    Yesterday was indeed a politically hectic day in Aoteaora New Zealand, especially if you are an activist that cares about both human and non-human animal rights. Protest actions were organised to demand an end to factory farming from about noon, and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Pro-Israel, Pro-Palestine or ‘Pro-Peace’?
    Latest protest for people of Gaza in Auckland In the past couple of weeks I have heard a lot of people say that they are neither Pro-Israel nor Pro-Palestine; they are pro-peace. This is a stand that I respect. Everyone...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • So we can’t feed the kids, the poor OR the sick now?
    Let me get this straight. We can borrow $10 billion in tax cuts over the last 6 years for the richest NZers, but we can not feed the kids, the poor or even the sick now? Revealed: Warning over hospital food...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Kim Dotcom has said it, Laila Harre has said it and now David fisher says i...
    Fascinating piece by David Fisher in the NZ Herald breaking down how many opportunities the Government had to listen to officials and stop KDC entering the country and concludes KDC should never have been allowed in… It prepared papers for the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • You, Me and the GCSB Public Meetings
      The GCSB and TICS legislation rushed through Parliament by John Key represent the largest erosion of civil liberties this country has seen since the 1951 Waterfront Lockout. In the post Snowden world we now know a mass surveillance state operating...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • A feminist takedown of Whale Oil
    Whale Oil does it again. How many more times is he going to attack and discredit Tania Billingsley publicly? In a short blog published on Wednesday ‘Nothing to be sorry for‘ Whale Oil also known as Cameron Slater, is defending John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Ares Rolinson – New Zealand First – We’ll Be Back
    Earlier this week, Bomber penned a missive which set out in some detail why he thought my people, New Zealand First, wouldn’t be making it back into Parliament later this year. Being a pugnacious, vindictive sort who’d never let such an...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • The changes teachers DO want
    “Oh you teachers, you just want everything to stay the same – what’s wrong with choice?  Bloody teachers.  Typical that you don’t want testing – trying to hide that you’re all useless. What about our poor kids?  Gnash gnash rant rant...” That’s...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • A feminist take down of Whale Oil
    Whale Oil does it again. How many more times is he going to attack and discredit Tania Billingsley publicly? In a short blog published on Wednesday Nothing to be sorry for Whale Oil also known as Cameron Slater, is defending John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • On so called Labour Party ‘distractions’
    The right wing of the Labour Party are constructing a narrative that Labour need to stop chasing distractions and focus on the real issues that matter and not these silly GCSB, inequality, domestic violence, media bias, TPPA issues. It is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • We are going to campaign harder
    “It was great news to learn that John Key says I am his recommendation for Epsom. While the Prime Minister is an important person and he is my pick to remain Prime Minister, John Key is just one voter. I...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Why Green isn’t the best colour for water
    Why Green isn’t the best colour for water Ian Mackenzie is Federated Farmers Environment spokesperson and was on the reference group for the National Objectives Framework. An opinion is also running in the New Zealand Herald. The Green Party recently...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Rainbow Wellington General Election Candidates Forum
    In many ways the transgender community is in a similar position now to that faced by lesbians and gay men a generation ago. It is having to face many of the same difficulties, often based on the same ignorance and...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Defence Lawyer Disgust!!!
    “ The Sensible Sentencing Trust is horrified by Defence Lawyer Steven Zindel's comments at the Sentencing of a Man Jailed for the Rape of his 4 year old daughter .”...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Ōhāriu deserves better than a rort
    The National Party's deal with Peter Dunne is a rort and shows the people of Ōhāriu are being taken for granted, Labour candidate Virginia Andersen says. "Peter Dunne has been placed on political life support by the National Party. His...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • FMC Backs Fish and Game’s Role on Freshwater
    Federated Mountain Clubs today reinforced its strong support for the New Zealand Fish and Game Council's statutory role in advocating for anglers and hunters interests in freshwater. FMC President Robin McNeill stated that the Federation's 17,000 members...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • The Letter: Key Gives Nod for Seymour in Epsom
    This afternoon the PM acknowledged the importance of Epsom to National’s re-election prospects when said he wanted National’s supporters in Epsom to vote for ACT’S David Seymour. We always thought David could win Epsom, for which he has been campaigning...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Forest & Bird supports Fish and Game’s freshwater advocacy
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird is concerned over allegations the Fish & Game Council has been threatened over its advocacy for freshwater quality....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Time for Epsom to say “no deal”
    “Epsom voters will be disgusted by the deal announced today to try and once again gift their electorate to the ACT Party”, says Labour candidate for Epsom Michael Wood....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Petition for release the of seven Bah
    At the invitation of the Honourable Annette King the New Zealand Bahá'í community is presenting a petition to the House of Representatives asking the NZ government to demand the release of the seven former leaders of the Baha’i community in...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Capital gains in the capital city
    Victoria University will today be hosting a public debate on the merits of more comprehensive capital gains tax—a step which taxation expert Associate Professor Dr David White considers would be beneficial for New Zealand. Organised by student group Beta Alpha...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Te Kupenga supports efforts of anti-violence campaigner
    Te Kupenga Whakaoti Mahi Patunga – National Network of Stopping Violence Services (Te Kupenga) wholeheartedly endorses statements made by DJ, Kickboxer and Anti-Violence Campaigner Richie Hardcore this morning on TV3’s Firstline about the role of men...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • iPredict Ltd2014 Election Update #28
    The chances of a fiscal surplus in 2014/15 continue to plunge and are down to 50%, according to the combined wisdom of the 7000 registered traders on New Zealand’s online predictions market, iPredict. The forecast surplus is now just 0.22%...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • TPPA is a bad idea
    “Currently New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Brunei, Vietnam, the USA, Japan, Malaysia, Canada, and Mexico are still negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement. Officially talks finished last August, but the reality is that they keep...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Getting privacy right in our data future
    Privacy Commissioner John Edwards welcomes the release of the New Zealand Data Futures Forum’s report....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Conference on Democracy, Ethics and the Public Good
    Conference on Democracy, Ethics and the Public Good A conference is to be held in Wellington on 1 and 2 August with the aim of starting a NZ-wide discussion about the quality of our democracy. The conference is hosted jointly...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Paddock to plate, and smart roads possible
    New Zealand’s international brand and exports could grow significantly with the creation of a data sharing ‘eco-system’ according to a paper released by the NZ Data Futures Forum today....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Ngapuhi wants to overthrow Maori King
    Ngapuhi is planning a hui for the end of the year – organised by iwi leader David Rankin – in which the future of the King Movement will be discussed....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Housing warrant of fitness little help for sick children
    A housing warrant of fitness has been promoted as a way of preventing sickness among children in poverty. The attached report shows that such a regime would have little impact on health outcomes but would come at a considerable cost,...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Upcoming Fabian Events in Auckland
    Sue Bradford ’s PhD thesis, 'A major left wing think tank in Aotearoa—an impossible dream or a call to action?' looked at why no major left wing think tank has developed in Aotearoa and whether the left in 2010-2013 was...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Senior Citizens, Not Senile Citizens
    The Taxpayers’ Union is questioning the merits and costs of the “ No car? No problem! Getting around your community without a car” brochure, released by the Office for Senior Citizens. The brochure’s purpose is to explain to senior citizens...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • NZ Troops Hone Their Skills in Queensland
    Around 260 New Zealand troops are on a 25-day Australian-led warfighting exercise in Townsville, Northern Queensland....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Maritime Union backs Green Party call for shipping lanes
    The Maritime Union is backing the Green Party’s policy to implement compulsory shipping lanes for coastal shipping, announced today....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Auckland Council Bypasses Public, Ditches Rodeo Ban
    Auckland Council Bypasses Public, Ditches Rodeo Ban The Auckland Council has announced that they are abandoning the rodeo ban on council land, put into place in 2008. This was done with virtually no consultation, says SAFE, the animal advocacy organisation....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Tolley and Coleman urged to meet West Papuan visitor
    Ministers Tolley and Coleman urged to meet West Papuan visitor Police Minister Anne Tolley and Defence Minister Dr Jonathan Coleman have a rare opportunity this week to gain first-hand knowledge about Indonesian police and military activities in West...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Minister Right to Give Fish & Game a Serve
    Reacting to Radio New Zealand’s report concerning allegations that Conservation Minister Nick Smith warned the Fish and Game Council that it acts like a 'rabid NGO', Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says:...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now
    The Maritime Union is urging the Government to push through a Bill reforming the fishing industry....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Ivory trade laws look set to tighten following petition
    A petition mounted by an Auckland schoolteacher has won the support of a powerful Select Committee and has moved the New Zealand closer towards a fully enforceable ivory trading ban....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Bilingual guide a demonstration of leadership
    “Waikato River Restoration: A Bilingual Guide” to the Waikato River that saw Tainui Waikato, Landcare Trust and the Waikato River Authority working together is a demonstration of rangatiratanga or leadership says Race Relations Commissioner...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga
    "It's great to have Georgie on board" said Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP. "She's strong-minded, stands up to be counted, and has fought for the rights of those who haven't had any - and won. That...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Sir Bob Harvey
    SUSAN Sir Bob Harvey was behind the transformation of Norm Kirk, and one of New Zealand's most popular Prime Ministers. He also advised Bill Rowling, David Lange and Helen Clark, the latter as Labour Party President. Wild Westie a new...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Rod Drury
    Xero boss Rod Drury told TVNZ’s Q+A programme what the political parties are offering at this election is ‘all too small.’ “There's no policy, all it is a bunch of incremental stuff. “All too small. What we want to do...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Gerry Brownlee
    Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee Rules Out Fastracking Auckland’s City Rail Loop Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee told TV1’s Q+A programme this morning that he won’t be bringing forward an Auckland City Rail loop based on new figures showing...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Owen interviews Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey
    Lisa Owen interviews Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey Headlines: Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey suggests “we can move on some” changes to welfare for New Zealanders in Australia New Zealanders “brothers and sisters” who make “a massive contribution”,...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Flavell and Harawira on The Nation
    Lisa Owen interviews Maori Party leader Te Ururoa Flavell and Mana leader Hone Harawira Headlines: Hone Harawira says realistically his Mana Party can take three Maori seats, Te Ururoa Flavell sticks to prediction that Maori Party will win all seven....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • The Nation 26,27 July: Flavell & Harawira, Joe Hockey
    On The Nation this weekend…. With the Maori seats primed to play a pivotal role this election, Torben Akel reports from the key battlegrounds and meets the top contenders. Then the Maori Party co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell and Mana Party...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Announcement of New Zealand First Candidate for Rangitīkei
    New Zealand First has endorsed Dr Romuald (‘Rom’) Rudzki as the candidate for the Rangitīkei Electorate in the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Labour Offer Len Brown a Hotel Tax
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the Labour Party's plan to allow councils to levy new 'pillow taxes' and regional petrol taxes. Reacting to this afternoon’s NZ Herald report Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union ,...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Cell phone evidence a first
    Cell phone evidence a first Evidence gathered solely from a cell phone has been used for the first time to convict a Hastings man for possessing child sexual abuse pictures. Michael Lawrence Worsnop, a 29-year-old orchard worker pleaded guilty to...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • New Zealand Aid Worker Helping in Gaza
    A New Zealand Red Cross nurse working in Gaza says she has never experienced anything like the current conflict in her long aid work career....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Parking officers deserve safety at work
    The union representing the Auckland Transport parking officer severely beaten on July 17 says everyone has a right to go about their job without fear for their safety....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Caritas Aotearoa NZ to provide Gaza humanitarian aid
    Caritas Jerusalem is providing medical assistance, food and other necessities to the thousands of vulnerable people affected by the escalating conflict in Gaza, and Caritas Aotearoa New Zealand is contributing an initial $20,000 to support the humanitarian...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • ALCP challenges parties to support Charlotte’s Web
    The leader of the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party Julian Crawford is calling on all other political parties to state their position on using cannabis oil to treat pediatric epilepsy....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Oxfam accepts cheque from Pacific Corporation Foundation
    Oxfam New Zealand has accepted a cheque for almost $1000 today from the Pacific Corporation Foundation toward recovery efforts in the Solomon Islands, following April’s flash flooding that left thousands homeless....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Draft report and decision – Pūhoi to Warkworth proposal
    The Ara Tūhono – Pūhoi to Wellsford Road of National Significance: Pūhoi to Warkworth section Board of Inquiry has released its draft report and decision....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • New Zealanders willing to pay tax to protect dolphins
    A report released this week shows a large majority of New Zealanders want Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins protected and they are prepared to pay for it....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Stop Smart Meters
    “The Democrats for Social Credit Party (DSC) wholeheartedly endorses the Stop Smart Meters campaign for a moratorium on installations of smart meters until the technology is proven not be a risk to health, and until home owners are given a...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Maori Roll Electors Urged to Vote Strategically
    Voters enrolled in the seven Maori electorates must learn to maximize their influence by voting strategically, according to the Maori Party candidate for Te Tai Tokerau, Rev Te Hira Paenga....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Politicians Ignore Families’ Concerns on Street Prostitution
    Family First NZ says that politicians are ignoring the concerns of families, lack the will to take appropriate action, and are happy to drag the ongoing problem of street prostitution into the next parliamentary term....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Plunket celebrates Te Wiki o te Reo Māori
    Plunket is proud to celebrate Te Wiki o te Reo Māori (21-27 July), with Plunket people across the country among several thousand New Zealanders taking part and increasing their kete of knowledge in te reo....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
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