Auckland Council debates the TPPA

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1. AmaKiwi 1

   9 October 2015 at 2:13 pm

   Great! The battle lines are clear. Many are awakening to the profound impact TPPA will have if ever implemented.

   If we can rouse enough opposition, I will fight to add TPPA to the flag referendum (as binding). If/When the Nats block that the next step is a citizen initiated non-binding referendum. If the people vote “No TPPA”, the opposition puts the other signatories on notice that the government acted against the will of its own citizens.

   That would provide a powerful basis for withdrawing after the next general election and rejecting any claims for damages.
2. Pat 2

   9 October 2015 at 2:33 pm

   “Councillor Linda Cooper said at a cost for council committee meetings of $20,000 an hour, the debate had cost $50,000.”

   I assume had the debate had not occurred the sum of $50,000 would have been able to be removed from the council operating costs?
3. tc 3

   9 October 2015 at 2:35 pm

   Denise Krum is a classic actiod puppet.
4. tracey 4

   9 October 2015 at 2:51 pm

   The Right find Democracy such a watse of time when they are not using it to further the interests they agree with.

   The TPP is relevant to Auckland because it could be that regulations or by-laws introduced by it could be sued upon by businesses not happy with the consequences. Until the full text is released to other than this Government and its friends we just won’t know.

   Strange that other nations, such as Japan, are happy to release a chapter by chapter account which is more detailed than Tim Grosers manipulated fact Shets and runs to 36 pages, – See more at: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/10/07/must-read-sober-reflections-on-the-tppa-deal-and-why-we-need-to-keep-fighting/#sthash.l6pdyve9.dpuf

   Just seems odd that given how convinced the Government is that it is a great deal for NZ they just don’t seem to want us to see the proof in the pudding.
   • Ross 4.1

     9 October 2015 at 5:33 pm

     The trouble is that National has form when it comes to telling porkies.

     Remember when John Key said Standard and Poor’s had told him a credit downgrade was more likely under a Labour Government? That was bullshit.

     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10757922

     So when Groser says that TPP is the best thing since sliced bread, prepare to be disappointed.
5. Sacha 5

   9 October 2015 at 3:06 pm

   Link to Herald article no longer working, but can we guess it was fashioned by Orsman?
   • mickysavage 5.1

     9 October 2015 at 3:19 pm

     Yes it was and I note the link on kiwiblog also does not work and that the text shows up if you do a google search. Looks like the Herald have taken the page down. Wonder why?
   • Murray Simmonds 5.2

     10 October 2015 at 6:14 am

     No. The link worked fine this morning, 10 Oct 6 am.

     Actually its a very interesting article – thanks for the link, Ross. Seems to me to suggest that the habitual lying has become pretty much a reflex action on the part of JK whenever he finds himself cornered by a question. Not a good habit for a prime minister to adopt IMO.
     • Sacha 5.2.1

       10 October 2015 at 8:33 am

       Link in the main post to quoted Herald article still redirects to Herald front page. Maybe someone from Council had a word with the editor about printing something actionably distorted?
6. tracey 6

   9 October 2015 at 3:54 pm

   Cameron Brewer was silent????
   • tc 6.1

     9 October 2015 at 4:36 pm

     Probably sulking as he’s not been felt up to have a run at mayor by his idols.
7. Matthew Hooton 7

   9 October 2015 at 4:46 pm

   You understand the TPP text is going to be released on schedule, as soon as the lawyers have checked it, regardless of what some Labour-aligned muppets on Auckland Council have to say?
   • dv 7.1

     9 October 2015 at 4:51 pm

     Mathew do mean that it has been signed with out lawyers approval!!!
     • Matthew Hooton 7.1.1

       9 October 2015 at 5:00 pm

       It hasn’t been “signed”. The deal has been agreed, as described here: https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2015/october/summary-trans-pacific-partnership
       • vto 7.1.1.1

         9 October 2015 at 5:10 pm

         Matthew, do you consider the 1% economic gain in 15 years time that the TPP will bring to be a good business deal?

         Do you know of ANY other business people who would consider that worthy, and not an absolute laughing stock?
         • vto 7.1.1.1.1

           9 October 2015 at 6:32 pm

           I just love how all the righties are ignoring this question…

           You would think it would be pretty crucial…

           being business people and all that

           bizarre
           • Matthew Hooton 7.1.1.1.1.1

             10 October 2015 at 2:50 pm

             Usual rule is fund all projects with an NPV greater than 0, subject to capital availability. This passes.
       • dv 7.1.1.2

         9 October 2015 at 5:47 pm

         So Matthew, there are about 4000 lawyers going over the details as we speak.
         So when is the text being released?

         This century?
         • Matthew Hooton 7.1.1.2.1

           9 October 2015 at 6:16 pm

           Within 26 says I think
           • vto 7.1.1.2.1.1

             9 October 2015 at 6:31 pm

             What is the difference between “signing” something and “agreeing” to something?

             Very curious.
             • Matthew Hooton …

               10 October 2015 at 12:32 pm

               Like in business. The business people agree the deal and then they get the lawyers to tidy it up before signing it. I expect the text will be released by this time next week. I bet it will allow a future Labour/Green govt to impose a 100% punitive tax on foreigners buying houses, farms or other land in New Zealand. I know it will allow any country to withdraw anytime in the future for any reason with just six month’s notice.
   • mickysavage 7.2

     9 October 2015 at 5:18 pm

     Matthew:

     1. If you check Walker and Watson’s backgrounds you may find they are more of a green tinge than a red tinge, not that I have anything against that.

     2. Surely the text can be released now. This Kafkaesque situation where something so major has been agreed to but we are not allowed to know what it says is really disturbing.

     BTW am I a marxist twitter addict, a extreme left blogger or both?
   • Ross 7.3

     9 October 2015 at 5:23 pm

     Matthew

     I didn’t realise there was a “schedule” for release of the text. I presume it’ll be how you used to handle OIA requests. Delay, delay, delay. 🙂
8. Penny Bright 8

   9 October 2015 at 6:35 pm

   FYI – I attended yesterday’s Auckland Council’s Regional Strategy and Policy Committee, in support of Barry Coates, who addressed the Committee on behalf of ‘It’s Our Future’ coalition, and Graeme Easte.

   Both spoke very well.

   Here is the Press Release:

   http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1510/S00154/council-calls-for-transparency-and-consultation-on-tppa.htm

   Thursday, 8 October 2015, 3:16 pm
   Press Release: It’s Our Future
   Auckland Council calls for transparency and consultation on TPPA

   Today the Auckland Council’s Regional Strategy and Policy Committee passed a resolution on the recently concluded Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA).

   The resolution calls on the government to release the final agreed text of the agreement and consult before further decisions are taken.

   Barry Coates, a spokesperson for the It’s our Future campaign, presented at the Council meeting. He welcomed the Council’s decision:

   “There has been too much ill-informed debate about the TPPA and too much misleading government spin. The Council has called for the facts to be put on the table.”

   The Council passed a previous resolution on the TPPA in December 2012 which called for assurances that the negotiations would not undermine local government’s role in providing public services and supporting local economic development, or prevent the Council from requiring high standards for environmental protection, employment rights and community participation.

   The Council called for New Zealand businesses not to be disadvantaged compared to foreign investor or suppliers.

   These assurances were not given.

   Eight Auckland Local Boards recently passed resolutions calling for follow up, joining 14 Councils across New Zealand, representing over 60% of New Zealand’s people. During a heated debate on the motion, Councillor John Watson said that local government should not be one of the dead rats that needed to be swallowed in order to get a TPPA deal.

   Barry Coates commented: “Councils have raised valid concerns about the TPPA which have been ignored.

   Their concerns have been confirmed by leaks of draft texts which have revealed that a wide range of local government decisions on zoning, permits, licences, contracts, environmental protection and procurement are likely to be covered by the TPPA.

   Councils have been signed up to potentially costly and restrictive rules by the Minister of Trade without being consulted.”

   “Councils are also at risk from their decisions being overturned by foreign corporations bringing cases in an international tribunal under the Investor State Dispute Settlement mechanism, and demanding compensation.

   Over 600 cases have so far been taken against governments, including the local government cases, under similar agreements to the TPPA.”

   Councillors were informed that a recent Canadian case (Bilcon v Canada) awarded US$300 million to a US mining company that was refused a licence by Nova Scotia on the grounds that it was incompatible with community values.

   Barry Coates concluded: “The government’s public relations spin on the TPPA agreement has deliberately misled the media into reporting a rosy picture of economic success.

   The market access benefits have been over-hyped and the potential costs from the TPPA have been downplayed or hidden.

   The text of the final agreement is still secret and it is too early to conclude whether or not New Zealand will benefit economically.

   The non-economic risks are far more serious.”

   “The TPPA is a Trojan Horse agreement.

   The loss of government powers to protect the public interest are hidden in the shape of a free trade agreement.

   This deal will benefit multinationals but undermine democracy and the ability of local and central government to protect people and the environment.

   The government must immediately release the final text and negotiating documents.”

   __________________________________________________________________________

   Penny Bright
9. millsy 9

   9 October 2015 at 10:32 pm

   TPPA will probably force the council to sell the port and Watercare so this is right and proper.

   Good job Vector is tucked into the consumer trust so the lawyers cant touch it.
10. savenz 10

    10 October 2015 at 9:41 am

    +100 – at least Auckland Councillors wasted their money on something more useful than cutting down and stealing Auckland’s heritage.

    Of course the Auckland Council (and everyone else needs to see the TPPA txt)- or is it the ‘new Nat democracy’ in which the public have extremely short times to put in submissions which are not read anyway by the government puppets on the committees.

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