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The latest tidbit re the delays in putting cameras on the fishing boats shows once again we need to get quota away from the likes of talleys and into the hands of guys like this https://betterfish.co/.
He has a 24/7 live stream on his boat works hard to minimize by catch etc this is the type of fishing we need to have here.
I am disappointed the Labour and the Greens haven't rammed the cameras on boats through tbh hell even the Nats are in favour….
PT won't give up quota that's for certain.
I doubt the nat's are in favour of camera's, after all peter goodman their party president is a large shareholder with Sanfords.
Do you have a link to confirm the nat's standing on camera's on commercial vessels please?
Cool link re Better Fishing, sadly Karl is a small drop in the bucket however, only 15T of catch annually is peanuts, sorry to say. He hauls 10T of flats per year, so he will just be fishing in the bay and probably doing the Tuna run during the season.
It looks like Karl is part of an inshore fleet, such vessel's usually only have up to three people max onboard. But it's a good start if he can get the other small boats to do the same. Unfortunately that will be near on impossible.
Karl is in Napier (small fleet there), the thing is in Nelson, Talley controls the inshore fleet, they unload to and are paid by Talleys. The exception being Guyton's who unload to sell at their own store. I'm pretty sure Sealord have no inshore fleet.
To understand the scope, Port Nelson is the largest fish unloading wharf in Australasia, and Talleys is the largest fish unloading facility at Port Nelson.
No all this govts doing !!!! Have to find someone else to blame 🤫
"One of Mr Nash’s first moves when he became the Fisheries Minister was to put the brakes on the rollout of electronic monitoring of the commercial fishing fleet."
https://www.nzgeo.com/audio/govt-considering-ditching-fishing-boat-camera-plans/
https://www.national.org.nz/watered_down_cameras_on_boats_disappointing
gerry browlie is nat party spokesperson for fisheries, has he commented on the subject matter in recent days?
It appears that when the nat’s tried to roll it out they failed too…. did one of Talleys donations get in the way again? After all the nat’s gave PT a knighthood.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/317999/fish-boat-cameras-fail-in-first-months
You appear to be unable to understand that National has not been in government for 21/2 years and that the current government is the issue.
So what has caused Labour to stall what was already in progress multi times !!
And here I thought you were just a shallow cheerleader but now I see what you are inferring, that Labour is tight with a certain industries that pays its way??? What a shock 🤑
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110279240/cameras-on-fishing-boats-delayed-angering-greens-and-greenpeace
You really don't understand what I'm inferring, do you?
The fishing industry needs an overhaul, and that needed to happen more than a decade ago, national did bugger all about it.
I'm disappointed re the government and the current situation around camera's on vessels.
I do, but take note of the apologist passive tone towards the current govt.
They are certainly superior to the current Nats, but that reason enough to demand more from this government. And this is another example of where this government fails again to deliver.
Or an example of NZ First influence.
I'm reasonably happy with our government, but I'm meows over this and would rather have a government without winston and shane involved.
The
Apologist for Wholesale PlunderMinister for Fisheries Nash was conniption inducing on the radio this morning. I came in part way through where he was saying it isn't as simple as putting a Go-Pro on a pole.I would settle for that at the moment, at least until Megan Woods can come and sort out this mess as well.
If Nash knew what went on at sea he would understand why the need for cameras and why the fishers are dead against it.
Megan is awesome, I've a massive amount of respect for her.
Another thing about the fishing industry…… they won't want to listen to a woman, that's just how it is in that industry. It's sad but it's true.
EDIT – Having worked in the industry and knowing what I do, is why I’m so pissed off about this. Camera’s are needed on vessels, and it’s not such a big deal to install them. Just do it during survey or over the Christmas layup. Crikey if you can have stereo speakers on deck what’s the problem with having a camera. It’s not like they can’t send data, they’ve got satellite phones on board aka ‘gold phones’
That's the bit that had me spitting my muesli, the excuses and obfuscation from that mealy mouthed public servant. Small businesses, costs $25,000 and other stuff drowned out by his backing alarm.
Clearly became a tad impotent as he had been caught big-mouthing.
The other thing about having Megan Woods involved is the 'big swinging dick' boys coterie carry on would fail to cut the mustard.,
Shane Jones was on RNZ this evening making excuses for the fishing industry and the Minister. He is good at spinning the BS, give him that
Grant Robertson's General Debate speech today was very entertaining.
Yep and the National caucus looked rather grim …
https://twitter.com/GregPresland/status/1278186568520351745
Todd Muddler channelling Jacob Rees-Mogg there.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UOgBUeYlrPM/hqdefault.jpg
Born 2 Rule.
Yes it was, Grant did an excellent job of presenting the National Party for what they are, and also informing the country of the parties plans and achievements like the 6 months parental leave introduction.
He really needed a 'there is no spoon' in there.
I had to go in for minor surgery today and while under the knife had an interesting political discussion with the surgeon.
He said he was going to party vote Green this election and further added that he wanted to see the end of NZ First because they would act as a brake on any Labour Green government.
Which left me rather astounded. Making a sweeping generalisation, I assumed that because surgeons would be rather well paid they must therefore favour the Natz.
So, based on this very limited anecdotal evidence, Labour Greens in a landslide in September.
Those damn drugs!
I would be amazed at any Health Professionals through out NZ who doesn’t 't vote Labour actually……….They must all be thanking their lucky stars for this govt and not the Nats given the state of Covid in the world
Yeah, good point. All doctors would be well aware we'd dodged massive canon fire!
Health professionals tend to be liberal and they realise the advantage of a collective approach to society.
Are you serious?
I assumed that because surgeons would be rather well paid they must therefore favour the Natz.
So. Can I assume you were under the knife of a private surgeon? One not working in the Public Health system?
Probably works in both.
Yes. Possibly. One consultant I have known for a decade once spontaneously opined to us how he did not understand how that could happen. He worked in the Public Hospital 100% of his time and earned more than enough to keep his family here in NZ and support elderly relatives overseas. "A man cannot serve two masters.." He reckoned that was one of the major problems with our system…we''re simply not a large enough population to support two systems.
I'd be willing to bet that more surgeons vote on the right than on the left. It's just a class thing.
Im not so sure. The serving ethos is really strong. Same with lawyers, a good third of them are lefties. But accountants and used car salespeople …
1/3rd wouldn't surprise me. More than half of surgeons voting on the left would though. GPs might be more likely to be liberal especially with the change in demographics of people getting into med school in recent decades. Would be interesting to see any research on this.
Nurses on the other hand, I would expect most to be left wing voters. Same with social workers, midwives, therapists.
it is always risky to make assumptions and generalise about any cohort….id expect that the split in any profession largely follows the national average
My brother thinks accountants tend to be left while economists tend to be right.
Speaking of class, surgeons go by Mr because doctors considered them to be blue collar/manual workers.
This surgeon sounds like a wonderful man, thank you Tony.
I know a surgeon who is, and has been for as long as I have known him, (10 years) an active member of the Green Party.
I'm a lurker here but but not commented previously.
Just to add that I'm a health professional and wouldn't dream of having anyone else in charge of the country but Labour. If greens got in too, even better.
Onya Stan.
Lurk all you like Stan.
TOP opportunist compares UBI & GMI: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/01-07-2020/explosive-start-for-opportunities-party-campaign-as-candidate-takes-dispute-public/
Good spotting and a useful comparison.
The most important aspect of a UBI that people who don't understand easily is that it has to be seen as part of the tax system. It's not 'another form of welfare'.
And while there is merit in the Green's GMI that is essentially what it is, welfare on steroids, with all the attendant problems that brings.
For UBI to be any good, it still has to have welfare bolted on or it will either be insufficient for the disabled (for example) or hard to sell as the nominal tax take is too much.
Too good.
Are Australians OK with this ?!!!
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/new-missiles-for-defence-in-270b-arms-build-up-20200630-p557kg
some will be more than happy….and some will be vehemently opposed, just as would be the case here….the fact is that it isnt something subject to public opinion
In general yes. Australian's are generally not so helplessly naive as Kiwis are when it comes to defense.
More a consequence of geography, than leftie virtue signalling.
The joke of the day has to be the Australian PM who thinks they need to be armed to the teeth in case there is a misjudgement. This from the master of misjudgement!
We should be following their lead. The world has proven itself not to be the benign place we thought it was twenty years ago and thus we need to build up our capacity to defend ourselves.
Why hasn't our little slice of paradise been 'rushed' by a 'big bad' recently? Maybe I'm naive, but IMHO we should prioritise health and biosecurity over military prepareness. It's likely NZ will face multiple threats from animal/plant pathogens and invasive non-human species, not to mention the guaranteed on-going epidemics of obesity, diabetes, alcoholism et al., before a 'big bad' changes our lifestyles forever.
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
Yes, also a perfect time for the police to take over, the illumanati (sp???) and any other paranoid conspiracy theory. If China, Martians whatever wanted to invade us or Aus we'd both be fucked, whether we had big guns or not, it's a delusion to think more weapons makes us safe. FFS we have a Chinese spy in our parliament.
In 1914 or 1939 nobody had been attacked recently either. Didn't stop the wars from starting.
It's not an either/or option. We should be doing both. Both are options that a country wishes it never needed but is sorry not to have them when they're needed.
Has there been any analysis of how more (or less) government spending on NZ’s military forces would have influenced the starting and ending of WWI/WWII?
I'm not saying NZ should ignore military defence, just that we face many potential (non-military) threats that we might actually be able to do something about – why not prioritise those?
Because the world is getting closer and closer to a hot war. That's what the Australian PM said and I agree. The actions of both the US and China are pushing us that way and when it happens we’re either going to be ready for it or get run over by it.
Different priorities – fair enough. Personally I don't believe military spending by NZ in preparation for a hypothetical future 'hot war' would be money well spent. I'd like to believe that it's still a matter of 'if' rather than 'when', but do understand the appeal of a 'hot war' to incompetent (using Covid-19 metrics as a yardstick) leaders such as Bolsonaro, Johnson and Trump, and there are precedents. Xi and Putin will share some blame, no doubt.
Is it a binary? Might NZ prepare for and still be "run over" in a 'hot war'? Still, better to have punched above our weight and lost, going forward…
In the face of a full on invasion, you might as well save the money that would be spent on purchasing half a dozen jet fighters that would be shot down in half an hour, and buy every inhabitant an ak47, a wheel barrow full of ammo, and instructions on how to fight a war of resistance VC style.
Buying any jet fighters would be a really stupid thing to do for NZ.
Equipping NZ with a lot of long range anti-air and anti-ship missiles and effective orbital surveillance of our seas, on the other hand, would work wonders.
Especially if we developed the capability to produce them here from local resources.
That's why it made sense back in the day for HC to scrap the strike force.
I'll be interested in how you make your pitch to left wing voters to start a missile defence program. It doesn't sound like a vote winner when the levels of poverty are still so high and in need of urgent attention.
Orbital satellites sound great, but I reckon a space force would rock it (lol) more.
Edit:
I’d rather we spent the money on finding cheap, clean energy sources and give it away to everyone, after all, any war is going to come down to resources and/or supremacy over the resources.
Poverty levels will, inevitably, go down as more people are engaged in work. It's a major reason why many nations have engaged in ramping up military spending throughout the ages.
Hell, the US still does and it has a law that says that all parts of military gear be made in the US that's been there since the 1930s. WWII really was the instrument to end the Great Depression.
Still, poverty is a direct result of capitalism and its need for cheap labour and so if we really want to do something about poverty then we need to do something about capitalism.
Great, if your answer to poverty is the world chock full of weapons of death, I'll book a front row seat on the hustings.
No, my answer to poverty is to eliminate the cause of poverty – capitalism.
And, as I pointed out, even if we don't have 'weapons of death' everyone else will which means, quite simply, that we won't be able to defend ourselves from them.
The world is not benign and no amount of wishing is going to make it so.
It's really not looking that hypethetical:
That's very definitely the first steps of war by China and its about time the rest of the world called it such.
And it would be money excellently spent as it would bolster our local industry while preparing us for the worst. The old saying comes to mind:
If you want peace, then prepare for war.
Many people seem to have fallen into the delusional belief that if we want peace then we should get rid of all our guns – while everyone else keeps theirs. This only makes it easier for any of the others to wage war on us while not keeping us at peace.
No, it really is still hypothetical (for now), although "hypethetical" is a fun typo. Amazing though that a 'hot war' hasn't already erupted in the three-and-a-half weeks since that CNN piece was written.
Slightly concerned by your vision of a 'hot war' precipitated by Chinese aggression as an imminent certainty, and the idea that others (?) want “to wage war on us“. Have you considered a career in diplomacy, or the NZSIS?
NZ First have become the NZ equivalent of the National Party of Australia – Fiercely producerist. Their stance against overseas ownership and immigration wilts under serious scrutiny given that they fully support overseas control of exotic forests, and the continued use of cheap Filipino labour on our farms and rest homes, while thousands of New Zealanders are still either unemployed or underemployed.
I voted for NZF in 2002 and 2011. Never again will I fall for their BS.
Only thing that worries me about NZ First leaving is their votes will go to the New Conservatives, who are bascially the Christian Taliban.