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Daily review 04/06/2019

Written By: - Date published: 5:30 pm, June 4th, 2019 - 43 comments
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43 comments on “Daily review 04/06/2019 ”

  1. marty mars 1

    Good initiative from Rimutaka

    … The prison hosts five "urban farms" as part of the Common Unity Project's Urban Kai Network.

    Common Unity uses the produce to make meals for the community – they have made more than 5000 meals for four schools and Women's Refuge since last October…

    … Rimutaka's garden beds cover about 4 hectares and make up five of Urban Kai's 11 farms, which are spread though the Hutt Valley.

    … Founder Julia Milne said the farms had produced a total of 7.1 tonnes since the project began 2½years ago and the inmates had grown and reaped 4.5 of those tonnes in just 18 months.


  2. Cinny 2

    coolGorgeous piece of living art work. heart Stunning image. blush

    yesKudos to the artist(s). devil Awesomesauce! enlightened

    laughThanks for posting, dang, it's sooo good laugh

    • Macro 2.1

      The artist I gather was a High school student. He wanted Trump to see this as he flew over his home.

  3. Sacha 3


    On the eve of the 30th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre, New Zealand Chinese writer Tze Ming Mok writes a beautiful, bitter letter to an old friend in Xinjiang, grappling with matters of conscience, community survival, and Anne-Marie Brady’s ‘Magic Weapons’ paper.

  4. Macro 4

    In May '68 – the month after the Wahine storm – myself and two friends set out to do a Southern Crossing of the Tararuas during the University Holidays. Heading off from Kaitoki and crossing over the Marchant Ridge etc over to Otaki Forks. A 3 – 4 day tramp. We had rung the weather office before setting out and had been assured that the weather was going to hold for the majority of our journey, and as the final leg was down hill. and in a valley, we thought OK lets do it!

    Well we were up on the Marchant Ridge when the weather blew in. It was snow and wind like we had never experienced, and we realised that there was no way we could carry on like this In fact the weather was so bad that they were cancelling the Inter-islander ferries – particularly after the disaster the month before. It was getting dark at this stage and we realised there was no way we could make Alpha Hut or going back to Allaway Dickson so we dropped down below the snow line into the protection of the bush and bivouaced for the night. I have never been so cold before or since. It was an appalling night. One I shall never forget. The next morning we headed back up to the ridge line. The wind had dropped by now, and headed back down to the nearest hut. We made up a pot of soup which I can still taste, slept solidly for the rest of the day, before heading back out and home. Our families were extremely pleased to see us return safely.

    I'm relating the above as I think of the man who is missing attempting the Northern Crossing and for whom searchers hold grave fears.


    • A 4.1

      Glad there were at least footprints. Every little clue helps and I hope he's found ok.

      • greywarshark 4.1.1

        I'm glad that you came out okay Macro and your friends, sensible and precautionary. The other tramper was from UK and unlikely to have experience of the severe weather conditions here radio report said. And of course the weather is ever more changeable and fierce now. So you might be safer in a queue on Everest! Does carrying a compass help at all Macro?

        • Macro

          Yes we had a compass – but on this occasion it wasn't needed – we knew where we were. We just realised that we need to get shelter fast. The track is along the ridge so to get back to the track in the morning all we needed to do was climb back up. Having the company was good as we huddled together to keep each other warm as well Our packs behind us, and a waterproof groundsheets over us and under us made a rough bivouac but it worked. But I can understand just how easily hypothermia can set in if you are not careful.

          • WeTheBleeple

            We got lost in the Motu our dogs got onto a pig and it led us deep… Luckily we got out the same day we followed a stream to the river but… the stream was a series of waterfalls so we were climbing down wet cliffs using supplejack… scary, and my mate, bloody caveman that he was, was carrying the pig too.

            Glad you got out of there buddy, nothing bites so hard as the cold.

            • Macro

              Oh yeah scrambling down streams can be bloody hard, especially down around water falls. Done that a few times too. 🙂 And there is always the potential to get bluffed. No way up or down.

              Btw here is a good pic of the kind of territory he might be in. And this is the easy bit. :). There is no snow shown in this pic but 1/2 a metre fell over the weekend.

  5. joe90 6

    Scientologist – hold my beer.

    FORT WORTH, TX—In a push for more environmentally conscious ministry practices, Kenneth Copeland has unveiled his brand-new jet that runs on the souls of the thousands of people he deceives every day.

    "This new, greener jet runs on the damned souls of all the people I've led to hell through my heretical Word-Faith teaching," Copeland said proudly as he showed off the new jet at his own private airport. "Their torment and anguish as they realize they've been duped burn cleaner and at least 10 times more efficiently than jet fuel."


  6. joe90 7

    A project marking the 30th anniversary.

    WANG Nan(王楠)

    Male, 19, student at Beijing Yuetan High School. From: Beijing

    On the night of June 3, 1989, at around 11:20 p.m., Wang took his camera and biked toward Tiananmen Square. At around 1 a.m. on June 4, at the southern intersection of Nanchang Street, north of the Great Hall of the People, Wang was shot by martial law troops. The bullet entered the upper left side of his forehead and came out behind his left ear, leaving a bullet hole at the back of the motorcycle helmet he was wearing. The martial law troops blocked those around Wang from taking him to the hospital and dragged him to the roadside. According to eyewitnesses, an elderly woman knelt before the troops and pleaded with them, but a soldier pointed a gun at her and said, “He is a rioter. Any more nonsense from you, and we’ll shoot you dead!” Wang died at 3:30 a.m. The troops concealed his body, along with others, just under the grassy surface of the lawn in front of the entrance of the Beijing No. 28 High School, west of the Tiananmen Gate. Around June 7, the area was hit by heavy rain, which began to wash away the dirt on top and reveal the clothing on the bodies. And a stench also rose. After school authorities intervened, the bodies were dug up. Because Wang had recently returned from military training and was wearing an old military uniform, he was mistaken for a martial law soldier and was brought to the Huguosi Hospital of Traditional Chinese Medicine and kept at the morgue there. It took until June 14 before his family was able to locate his body. His ashes are kept at the cinerary hall of the Beijing Wan’an Cemetery.

    After Wan Nan’s death, his parents’ health suffered serious deterioration: his father developed heart ailments and his mother serious psychological problems.

    Wang’s mother, Zhang Xianling(张先玲), is a founder of the Tiananmen Mothers. His father, Wang Fandi(王范地), also a member of the group, passed away from illness in 2017.



  7. Sacha 8

    Dirty sockpuppeteer makes local clown Breen look like a right amateur: https://yournz.org/2019/06/01/the-many-identities-of-marc-spring-include/

    [I agree with the comment @ 8.1 that this is pointless abuse of another commenter. Please cut it out – Incognito]

    • Drowsy M. Kram 8.1

      Sacha, IMHO your comment @8 is a completely transparent attempt to smear another commenter. Recycling Pete George’s info as a disguise, you come across as an Emperor with no clothes. https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-01-06-2019/#comment-1623586


    • Incognito 8.2

      See my Moderation note @ 8:14 PM.

      • Sacha 8.2.1

        Noted. Tolerating multiple accounts by the same person is proven to erode any discussion space. If ignoring that is your official standard as moderators then the rest of us know where we sit. We all serve society to the best of our abilities.

        • Psycho Milt

          To be fair, if the sock puppet appears via a VPN, moderators won't have a straightforward means of identifying it as a sock puppet and will presumably fall back on benefit of the doubt. Which is great for Mark Spring and other puppeteers, but doesn't leave the site moderators any better off. Vice versa also applies, eg a few weeks back we had multiple commenters declaring that OneTwo was a sock puppet of Phil Ure (someone I respect, fwiw), with the only similarity being over-use of ellipses. It's a thankless task, being a moderator.

          That said: totally a sock puppet, you bet.

          • Incognito

            Without solid evidence, I won’t follow hunches or accusations from others except to keep an eye out for ‘dodgy’ behaviour and patterns. It is the behaviour that’s the issue, not the username or whoever is hiding behind it.

        • Incognito

          Not sure what you’re alleging but if you can point me in the right direction, I’m happy to oblige. I’m allergic to folks who use sockpoppets to try and get around a (temporary) ban. You should know that there is no official standard here for moderators but we refer to the site’s policy from time to time. We all moderate in different ways. Occasionally, I do ask for advice from Lynn and MS, which I tend to follow 😉

          • Sacha

            Thank you. I understand the need to monitor for a while sometimes. This one is not banned. See this thread today with 3 duplicate identities, one of which ironically accused me above of smearing itself: https://thestandard.org.nz/tiananmen-squares-failed-revolution/#comment-1624643

            Spring is an exceptional cautionary example of the same behaviour and I had forgotten that Pete George had posted that list here already. Here’s how he described the guy’s tactics: https://yournz.org/2019/06/04/sprung-damaging-attack-tactics-of-marc-spring/

            I found that often here Spring was responding to his own comments under different identities to try to make it appear there was support for his accusations.

            Or maybe to feel less lonely, who knows?

            • McFlock

              Sadly, the question that must always be considered is whether the various handles are puppets of a single weirdo, or whether that's just wishful thinking to avoid the even more disappointing alternative…

            • Sacha

              Unrelatedly, this from the comments of that last post just extends the ick of the #dirtypolitics crew:

              Rewa Willis and Marc Spring are in a relationship
              A cursory glance at their respect Facebook pages will confirm this
              When Slater ran the attacks on the union guy from the port… Sherson Willis (the company with her name on the letterhead) were running Comms for Ports of Auckland.

            • Drowsy M. Kram

              Sacha, you appear to believe that there were "3 duplicate identities" commenting in yesterday's Tiananmen Square post: https://thestandard.org.nz/tiananmen-squares-failed-revolution/#comment-1624643

              To recap, in the June 1st OM, I engaged with McFlock in an 'Assange back-and-forth' that continued into June 2nd, and was disappointed when McFlock referred to Assange's seven year asylum as an "Ecuadorean Escapade", resorted to making a cat reference, and used an analogy that included the phrase "disease-encrusted rat of the sky". He may have been attempting to wind me up – we each have strongly held and largely incompatible views on Assange’s behaviour and treatment by ‘authorities’.

              Later, in the Tiananmen Square post, "Professor Longhair" @ was attempting to wind up McFlock, and, when he apparently succeeded, I found that amusing, hence my comment "Heh." @

              Sacha, you then replied to me with the crytic comment "sock inception".

              I didn't fully understand that, but took it to be an insult or accusation, and fired back a couple of (humorously intended) rejoinders.

              Sacha, I'd appreciate it if you could clarify what you meant by "sock inception".

              • McFlock

                Hardly cryptic.

                Sacha obviously has noted that three different handles all deliver the same flavour of vacuous bullshit, yours being one and pl being another. Thus when one responds to the other, it's layers over layers, like in the movie Inception.

                It's not sacha's fault you're all identical wastes of space.

                • Andre

                  You include DMK in with PL and the mozzie? Can't see it myself.

                  First and foremost, DMK actually makes arguments, defends points, and is mostly rational. All of which are extremely rare to non-existent from PL and the mozzie.

                  Next, DMK hardly ever indulges in ad homs. I can't bring a single instance to mind. That's a definite contrast to the mozzie.

                  The only passing similarity I've noticed is a slight overuse of bold from DMK.

                  • McFlock

                    Yeah I think sacha has overstated the dmk connection. It's all supposition anyway.

                    But dmk's faux "Ah do deklah, Ah have no ideah what you mean, suh" routine is a bit of an overlap with the other two, lol

                    two clones and a venn diagram, is my bet 😉

                • Drowsy M. Kram

                  McFlock, if you and Sacha are of one mind, then thanks for confirming Sacha’s intent, as this allows me to conclude that they were incorrect.

                  As one waste of space to another, being ignorant of the facts is no defence.

                  Thanks Andre, I do try to avoid initiating ad homs, although I might occasionally be guilty of mirroring them.

                  • McFlock

                    pseudonyms ensure ignorance of the facts are not just an excuse, but guaranteed.

                    Sacha and I have differing opinions. I just found it funny you claimed difficulty understanding sacha's reference. Might be a generational thing, I guess.

                    • Drowsy M. Kram

                      Tbh, often it’s simply a matter of ‘seeing what you want to see’ – definitely recognise that tendency in myself. To (re)quote Feynman:

                      Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.

                      Glad to provide amusement, and thanks – have added "sock inception" to the glossary.

                    • McFlock

                      Funny thing about Feynman: he often didn't really take his own advice.

                      Another complicated person.

    • Morrissey 8.3

      Yes, I have to agree. All respek to Marc Spring!

  8. marty mars 9


    " Poverty is not caused by men and women getting married; it's not caused by machinery; it's not caused by "over-production"; it's not caused by drink or laziness; and it's not caused by "over-population". It's caused by Private Monopoly. That is the present system. They have monopolised everything that it is possible to monopolise; they have got the whole earth, the minerals in the earth and the streams that water the earth. The only reason they have not monopolised the daylight and the air is that it is not possible to do it.
    If it were possible to construct huge gasometers and to draw together and compress within them the whole of the atmosphere, it would have been done long ago, and we should have been compelled to work for them in order to get money to buy air to breathe. And if that seemingly impossible thing were accomplished tomorrow, you would see thousands of people dying for want of air – or of the money to buy it – even as now thousands are dying for want of the other necessities of life. You would see people going about gasping for breath, and telling each other that the likes of them could not expect to have air to breathe unless they had the money to pay for it.

    Most of you here, for instance, would think and say so. Even as you think at present that it's right for so few people to own the Earth, the Minerals and the Water, which are all just as necessary as is the air. In exactly the same spirit as you now say: "It's Their Land," "It's Their Water," "It's Their Coal," "It's Their Iron," so you would say "It's Their Air," "These are their gasometers, and what right have the likes of us to expect them to allow us to breathe for nothing?" And even while he is doing this the air monopolist will be preaching sermons on the Brotherhood of Man; he will be dispensing advice on "Christian Duty" in the Sunday magazines; he will give utterance to numerous more or less moral maxims for the guidance of the young. And meantime, all around, people will be dying for want of some of the air that he will have bottled up in his gasometers. And when you are all dragging out a miserable existence, gasping for breath or dying for want of air, if one of your number suggests smashing a hole in the side of one of the gasometers, you will all fall upon him in the name of law and order, and after doing your best to tear him limb from limb, you'll drag him, covered with blood, in triumph to the nearest Police Station and deliver him up to "justice" in the hope of being given a few half-pounds of air for your trouble.”

    Robert Tressell , The Ragged -Trousered Philanthropists (published 1914)

  9. Incognito 10

    It has been a while (i.e. long overdue) since I read a post by exhALANt. They are (quite) long but definitely worth it!


  10. joe90 11


    Canada is complicit in a "race-based genocide" against indigenous women, a government inquiry has found.

    The report cited research finding indigenous women were 12 times more likely to be killed or to disappear than other women in Canada.

    The inquiry blamed the crisis on deep-rooted colonialism and state inaction.


    How was Canada found to be complicit?

    The report found that "persistent and deliberate human and indigenous rights violations and abuses are the root cause behind Canada's staggering rates of violence".

    Past inquiries and investigations in Canada – from the 1996 Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples to the more recent Truth and Reconciliation report – have put forward about 900 wide-ranging recommendations to deal with many of the underlying issues.

    Many have never been applied.

    "One of the family members' and survivors' biggest fears in opening themselves up to this process as intense as this one is that in the end, nothing is done – the report gathers dust on a shelf and the recommendations are left unanswered," the final report said.


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