Daily Review 05/09/2018

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1. NZJester 1

   5 September 2018 at 5:51 pm

   Should bosses be held accountable legally for remotely disabling a car and putting an employee in danger? Is there some legislation that would already cover this? If not this kind of thing should surely be illegal due to the very real risk to a driver if they are stopped remotely in a dangerous place on the road or in a dangerous area.

   A Blenheim woman says she was driving a company vehicle when suddenly it was stopped remotely by her boss, raising alarms about the technology.

   The unnamed woman, who spoke to RNZ, said she was left feeling “highly compromised” when it happened, and all she could do was wave her hands out the window when the vehicle came to a stop.

   https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/no-control-blenheim-womans-vehicle-stopped-remotely-by-boss/ar-BBMTdj2?li=BBqdg4K
   • AsleepWhileWalking 1.1

     5 September 2018 at 6:25 pm

     Boss should be rethinking this one
   • mickysavage 1.2

     5 September 2018 at 7:19 pm

     Lawyers wil have a field day …

     😀
   • AsleepWhileWalking 1.3

     5 September 2018 at 8:24 pm

     The risk is not just employees.

     Another car could have swerved to avoid the stopped vehicle and plowed into pedestrians or some such.

     Should be charged with dangerous driving and stripped of their remote, and have their ACC levy upped to cover the next idiotic thing they come up with.
   • mac1 1.4

     5 September 2018 at 9:20 pm

     The woman was also concerned that this highly controlling boss would fire her if identification occurred. It seems it is not the first time this has happened.
     • greywarshark 1.4.1

       6 September 2018 at 10:56 am

       In another post I mused that psychopathy is strong in businesspeople. And that is a worry with them having control of this tech. Mac1 has put the comment that confirms my concerns, which should be everyone’s.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.5

     5 September 2018 at 10:53 pm

     This particular technology isn’t officially regulated by the police, Ministry of Transport nor New Zealand Transport Agency.

     Another failure of the government to properly regulate products on the market.

     “Responsible employers should be developing their own policies for safe use of company vehicles, and those policies should make it clear this kind of unsafe practice (remotely disabling an engine while the vehicle is in use) is not acceptable.”

     It shouldn’t even be possible as it’s too friggen dangerous.

     But NZTA says the fitting of engine immobilisers is “not mandatory”, therefore no official legislation has been issued.

     That’s not a reason – it’s an excuse. All products, mandatory or not, need to be regulated before they go on the market.

     “The reality is that the driver no longer has control of the car and there is a risk of the vehicle becoming involved in an accident. It’s not just the thief who could be hurt, there is also the risk that an innocent third party may get caught up and seriously hurt or even killed.”

     THere’s so much of the car functions that are connected to the key and the ignition that when the ignition is turned off simply stop working. Power steering and power brakes spring to mind and when they stop working the person who’s driving the car may find that they can’t actually drive it.
     • greywarshark 1.5.1

       6 September 2018 at 11:02 am

       Here is some good graft available in this frantic money-mad market without limits.

       A tow truck driver races to the scene of the immobilised car, names a high fee to drag the car out of the way which police might say has to be accepted or the driver will be charged for obstructing the highway, so the driver agrees, but the employer says he/she won’t pay as they never agreed to pay this large sum.

       It is a scenario that well could arise giving the shitty attitude of money first and people don’t that is prevalent under neo lib. And what’s more it could be a gold rush situation and lots of stinging wasps, otherwise known as rogue tow truck drivers, might gather and fight over this creating major mayhem.
   • Jimmy 1.6

     6 September 2018 at 8:24 am

     The technology is a good idea ie. preventing a car being stolen or not being able to be started, but the way it was used here by the boss is way out of line.
   • AB 1.7

     6 September 2018 at 8:32 am

     Any workplace that is characterised by such high levels of distrust that this technology is used, shouldn’t exist.
2. Gabby 2

   5 September 2018 at 5:55 pm

   It’s not very different from dropping a concrete block off an overbridge is it.
   • dukeofurl 2.1

     5 September 2018 at 6:55 pm

     Isnt it ‘careless use of a vehicle’ if she had remote control ?
     • McFlock 2.1.1

       5 September 2018 at 8:51 pm

       So, so many possibilities.

       Employer is breaking workplace safety laws.
       Careless use. Failing to stay in lane. Dangerous driving. Obstruction of the road.
       General nuisance/negligence laws.

       And that’s when nobody is hurt and nothing is damaged.
       • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.1

         5 September 2018 at 10:54 pm

         Yep. The boss should be going to jail for this.
       • Sabine 2.1.1.2

         6 September 2018 at 9:47 am

         can you add harassment of the driver?
         • McFlock 2.1.1.2.1

           6 September 2018 at 1:54 pm

           oh jeez, personal greivance grounds maybe…
3. Dennis Frank 3

   5 September 2018 at 7:37 pm

   “Thinktank calls for major overhaul of Britain’s economy” – a step in the right direction, but not radical. “It argues that the shareholder-driven model of capitalism is outmoded”. Better late than never, I suppose.
   https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/05/thinktank-calls-for-major-overhaul-of-britains-economy
   • Draco T Bastard 3.1

     5 September 2018 at 10:55 pm

     Shareholders are the worlds biggest bludgers.
4. Stunned mullet 4

   5 September 2018 at 8:06 pm

   Ah shit – this really does suck.

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12119799
   • Ed 4.1

     5 September 2018 at 8:07 pm

     Yes. That sucks.
     Love and respect to Penny and her whanau.
   • AsleepWhileWalking 4.2

     5 September 2018 at 8:20 pm

     Pull through Penny!
     x
   • McFlock 4.3

     5 September 2018 at 8:59 pm

     Sad news.
   • gsays 4.4

     5 September 2018 at 9:00 pm

     Penny and the issues are a lot removed from me and mine.
     I applaud and celebrate the likes of Penny, those who have the courage of their convictions.
     Too many of us piss and moan to each other in pathetic futile gestures, only succeeding in annoying those closest to us.
     Penny Bright and her ilk, stick it to the man.

     Kia kaha Penny, I look forward to the next time you irritate the powers that be.
     • BM 4.4.1

       5 September 2018 at 9:33 pm

       This, that woman has an elephant-sized pair, shame what she was fighting against got lost within the factionalism of politics.

       Go well.
     • James 4.4.2

       5 September 2018 at 9:50 pm

       Well put.

       Even as somebody who strongly disagrees with her positions on most things – admire her for “walking the walk” when most of us wouldn’t have the courage to.

       The world will be poorer without her in it.
       • Halfcrown 4.4.2.1

         5 September 2018 at 10:04 pm

         That was also well put James
       • Muttonbird 4.4.2.2

         5 September 2018 at 10:28 pm

         That’s nice. You’ll follow that with a hearty ‘I admire Ed for walking the walk when most of us wouldn’t have the courage to’.

         I wonder if your mates at Kiwisewer will have a kind word for Penny Bright.

         I wonder if the rat-in-chief, David Farrar, will do a post on her plight.
         • McFlock 4.4.2.2.1

           6 September 2018 at 5:48 pm

           Ed walks the walk?
       • mary_a 4.4.2.3

         6 September 2018 at 5:45 pm

         Well said James.
   • marty mars 4.5

     5 September 2018 at 9:16 pm

     Yes sending healing thoughts and energy to you Penny.
   • ianmac 4.6

     5 September 2018 at 10:30 pm

     You have to respect the battlers in this world. Great work Penny.
5. Pete 5

   5 September 2018 at 10:25 pm

   Clare Curran might be a nice person and a capable one but one thing she doesn’t seem to be very good at, well out of her depth at actually, is being a politician.
   Unfortunately she’s in the bear pit and looking like a stuffed panda.
   • Muttonbird 5.1

     5 September 2018 at 10:30 pm

     This is beltway stuff really. Who the hell gives a shit if she used gmail for work. Several hundred million people do this every single minute of every single day.

     Better to find out who within the public service is leaking to that racist, Melissa Lee.

     That’s the real news.
     • Sam C 5.1.1

       5 September 2018 at 10:34 pm

       Ha! Having a gmail account to conduct Ministerial work when you are the Minister of Open Government is considered “beltway”.

       Have you lost your mind?
       • Muttonbird 5.1.1.1

         5 September 2018 at 10:40 pm

         Well it is beltway. No-one except enemies of the government give two shits about this.
         • Sacha 5.1.1.1.1

           5 September 2018 at 10:47 pm

           Nope. We all deserve a government that embraces sound governance. Dodging basic official information requirements is not OK from any Minister, let alone the holder of that particular portfolio. Half-arsed is not good enough.
           • McFlock 5.1.1.1.1.1

             5 September 2018 at 10:51 pm

             Didn’t BXXXXXXXe get nailed for something similar?

             And Curran still didn’t learn.

             edit: my mistake, McCully was the one. And Labour had fun with it.
             • Muttonbird …

               5 September 2018 at 10:53 pm

               Yet Brownlee is still at the very top off the Nats. What does that tell you about that lot?
           • Muttonbird 5.1.1.1.1.2

             5 September 2018 at 10:52 pm

             Sorry. How is her gmail account not under the OIA? I’m sure it is accessible to her ministry.

             Do you think she deliberately uses it to be covert or something?

             I doubt that. And for reference, her meeting with Hirshfeld was in a packed Wellington bureaucrat cafe at mid morning, and the meting with Handley was in her fucking office, ffs.

             Curran is not hiding any more than any other minister, she’s just doing it her way. I don’t believe she is corrupt in any way shape or form at all.
             • Sacha …

               5 September 2018 at 10:59 pm

               Nobody is talking about corruption. All her correspondence as Minister or MP must be properly tracked and recorded. Basic part of the job.
               • Draco T Bastard …

                 5 September 2018 at 11:04 pm

                 +111
         • Jimmy 5.1.1.1.2

           6 September 2018 at 10:24 am

           I give two shits. No MP should be doing govt business on a gmail account. She is either 1) doing something dodgy / wrong and hiding it or 2) is very stupid and is too dumb to be an MP
           Which is it?
       • Sacha 5.1.1.2

         5 September 2018 at 10:42 pm

         Making Melissa Lee look like a competent opponent even briefly surely deserves a resignation.
         • Muttonbird 5.1.1.2.1

           5 September 2018 at 10:46 pm

           There’s that. She’s an appalling human being as evidenced by her ‘brown people racing up the motorway to rob you’ comment so the outfit which is leaking Curran’s info to her should be ashamed.
           • marty mars 5.1.1.2.1.1

             5 September 2018 at 10:53 pm

             She made Curran look and sound like a chump. If she is a bigot she will have lots of company in parliament. Curran looked very shaky indeed.
     • Draco T Bastard 5.1.2

       5 September 2018 at 11:02 pm

       Who the hell gives a shit if she used gmail for work.

       I do. Politicians work emails need to be done through the governments servers and be publicly available.
       • Muttonbird 5.1.2.1

         5 September 2018 at 11:11 pm

         I’m sure she’d be happy to have her gmails accessed by the public, or are you charging her with using gmail deliberately to circumvent the OIA process?

         Thats a very big accusation from you if so.
         • Sam C 5.1.2.1.1

           5 September 2018 at 11:17 pm

           You’re seriously swimming upstream on this one, Muttonbird.

           Her actions are sneaky. Ardern needs to bin her. Sooner rather than later. This story has more legs in it yet.
           • Sacha 5.1.2.1.1.1

             5 September 2018 at 11:22 pm

             I don’t believe she is being sneaky – just stupid.
           • Muttonbird 5.1.2.1.1.2

             5 September 2018 at 11:22 pm

             There’s nothing sneaky about it. She’s just trying to get stuff done quickly and efficiently. You RWNJs are all about that anyway, are you not?
             • Draco T Bastard …

               6 September 2018 at 11:54 am

               She’s just trying to get stuff done quickly and efficiently.

               And yet failing to do it properly.
         • Sacha 5.1.2.1.2

           5 September 2018 at 11:21 pm

           It’s actually the Public Records Act she could be breaching: the emails must be kept properly so they are available when needed under the OIA or other laws. I doubt that the Minister’s staff being able to login to her personal Gmail account is enough to satisfy that requirement.
         • Draco T Bastard 5.1.2.1.3

           6 September 2018 at 11:53 am

           I’m not accusing her of anything. I didn’t even mention her.

           I’m making a statement that the business of politicians is public business and that the public thus needs to know.
     • Jimmy 5.1.3

       6 September 2018 at 8:27 am

       Clare Curran is the weakest link “Goodbye”
       • Pete 5.1.3.1

         6 September 2018 at 10:30 am

         I’m not claiming anything sinister, that it’s trivial, beltway or the end of the world. I think that when you want to present as professional, onto it and competent laying yourself open as Curan has done is ‘criminal’.

         Serious followers might think it means nothing but the great unwashed who hear the story and see the video will gain an impression of incompetence and lack of confidence. Those on here with a grasp of how things should work with the proper protocols won’t have their views on the government affected probably but it’s the attitudes being formed in the masses which is important.

         Curran’s contribution is one of putting termites in the foundations. That Melissa Lee might be a bitch is irrelevant.
         • Jimmy 5.1.3.1.1

           6 September 2018 at 11:51 am

           Melissa Lee is simply going for the “low hanging fruit”.
6. R.P Mcmurphy 6

   5 September 2018 at 10:32 pm

   what the hellis going on at Radio New Zealand. allmorning I was assailed on channel 50 with crap from gruyon espiner caliming that Jacinda Ardern deosn’t know what she is doing. I find this childish politicking on the state broadcasters dime a horrible abuse of the good name of RNZ and cannot even begin to think how the editors and managers and producers of the country’s primary news sources can allow this to happen
   • Jimmy 6.1

     6 September 2018 at 11:55 am

     This is exactly why Jacinda needs to act quickly and decisively on Clare Curran. One rotten apple in the bunch…..it spreads. Now people are looking at Jacinda who being PM is letting Curran do this and thinking “is she really in control?”
7. Muttonbird 7

   5 September 2018 at 10:44 pm

   I’m picking after Brexit, Brtain will no longer be able to appeal to the European court to arrest two random Russian men for a crime they’d like to think was committed.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/106860746/britain-charges-two-russians-over-novichok-poisoning
   • marty mars 7.1

     5 September 2018 at 10:57 pm

     The evidence will be presented won’t it? They are saying they have sufficient – I’d imagine many will be going through it with a fine tooth comb when presented. Of course all the vladfans will already be formulating their conspiracies.
     • Muttonbird 7.1.1

       5 September 2018 at 11:00 pm

       Charged in absentia. What a joke. This is a poster campaign because they have nothing at all with which to bring a conclusion.

       It’s just spin from a very very desperate Britain.
       • marty mars 7.1.1.1

         5 September 2018 at 11:03 pm

         You may be right. I’m hopeful evidence will be put down for scrutiny but I probably am naive about that.
8. Muttonbird 8

   5 September 2018 at 11:06 pm

   War: what is it good for?

   Absolutely something.

   A cold war that is. with all this sabre rattling from Bolton and the stupid White house I wonder if a cold war where the US and her interests is shut out of Syria permanently would be a great thing for peace in the region.

   The Sauds are always going to bend over to be anally raped by US interests but if that’s as far as US hegemony abroad goes then all for the better, I say.

   Lets have a proper line which shall not be crossed in the region, drop the fucking sanctions, and I bet people on the ground will benefit no end.

   Cold War: what is it good for?

   Absolutely something.
9. Exkiwiforces 9

   5 September 2018 at 11:12 pm

   Not sure if you have seen this on the telly? This is so cool and sweet from the SPF hosts.

   http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-05/naurus-president-sings-for-jacinda-ardern-at-pacific-summit/10205548
   • Muttonbird 9.1

     5 September 2018 at 11:16 pm

     Yep. Exactly why we should continue to have strong representation in the Pacific. Not only do these people rely on us a relatively wealthy country and a country which got rich from imported cheap labour from them, but we are duty bound to be a leader in the region, and it’s also wise to be across developments in the region by players outside the region and you have to be friends to be able to do that.
     • Exkiwiforces 9.1.1

       7 September 2018 at 12:19 am

       I would like to see the NZ Government throw a bit towards the NZDF and NZ Aid at having a more permanent presence in the SP atm.

       MFAT using the AB’s as a form of soft power in the region to help counter the increasing pressure of China’s influences in the region. Using the AB’s is not a silly idea, it might been that NZG might have to unwrite the games and I know a few here and elsewhere will have issues of this.

       But they need to stop thinking short term and start looking the bigger picture within the SP Region as it’s no longer a sleeper hollow as it used to be or in the case of a famous NZ PM said a “We live in a Benign Region and we don’t need to spend much on Defence”. There is a new ball game in town called Climate Change and a emerging power jocking for influence and challenging the current rules base order.

       Chase in point, the head of the Chinese delegation got the boot from the SFP as he didn’t follow the SPF protocol in which only SP Nation leaders or their Ministers can speak and as a result of this DH from China he got the boot for insulting the Host Nation and the rest of the SP leaders and ministers which is a bloody big no no.

       Talking about losing face at that event for our Chinese friend where protocol is and means a lot within SP Region. Clearly this muppet either forgot what he was told prior to attending or just didn’t give a flying **** about SPF Nations as I’m from big China and I can throw weight around as I feel free etc etc.
10. gsays 10

    5 September 2018 at 11:33 pm

    Jeez, watching Al jazeera of an evening…

    Two Russians have been named with a European arrest warrant on them in regards to the double spy novachok poisoning. The poison was found in hotel rooms they had occupied…
    Then… the Israeli high court approves demolition of Bedouin village in West Bank.

    What next?
    • Muttonbird 10.1

      5 September 2018 at 11:37 pm

      Hopefully the takeover over by a legitimate Palestinian state of all Israeli settlements built within pre ’67 lines.

      Here’s hoping.
11. corodale 11

    6 September 2018 at 7:24 am

    Rumour of the day: McCain’s death wasn’t brain-tumour, it was execution for treason. Just one of many such removals world wide, especially in financial sector. The clean-out is happening, mob losing control. A new financial system has been approved. Plenty of detail to come in the next few months. Blessing to those working hard at the front line – peaceful transition in motion.
    • marty mars 11.1

      6 September 2018 at 10:07 am

      Links
12. Ed 12

    6 September 2018 at 10:09 pm

    “Years of doomsday talk at Silicon Valley dinner parties has turned to action.

    In recent months, two 150-ton survival bunkers journeyed by land and sea from a Texas warehouse to the shores of New Zealand, where they’re buried 11 feet underground.
    Seven Silicon Valley entrepreneurs have purchased bunkers from Rising S Co. and planted them in New Zealand in the past two years, said Gary Lynch, the manufacturer’s general manager. At the first sign of an apocalypse — nuclear war, a killer germ, a French Revolution-style uprising targeting the 1 percent — the Californians plan to hop on a private jet and hunker down, he said.

    ……The nation allows emigres to essentially buy residency through investor visas, and rich Americans have poured a fortune into the country, often by acquiring palatial estates.
    Billionaire hedge-fund honcho Julian Robertson owns a lodge overlooking Lake Wakatipu in Queenstown, the South Island’s luxury resort destination. Fidelity National Financial Inc. Chairman Bill Foley has a homestead in the Wairarapa region, north of Wellington, and Titanic director James Cameron bought a mansion nearby at Lake Pounui.
    The Investor Plus Visa, which requires a minimum investment of NZD$10 million ($6.7 million) over three years, attracted 17 U.S. applicants in fiscal 2017, after President Donald Trump’s election. Previously, it averaged six applicants a year.

    ……A spokeswoman for the New Zealand Customs Service declined to confirm that the bunkers had arrived in the country, citing privacy reasons.
    It takes about two weeks to excavate the land and bury the average bunker, Lynch said. It’s all done secretly so local residents aren’t aware. Once installed, passersby would have no way of knowing it’s there.
    “There’s no clue left behind, not even a door,” Lynch said.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2018-rich-new-zealand-doomsday-preppers/
    • Exkiwiforces 12.1

      6 September 2018 at 11:31 pm

      WFT, Customs and Police would have a few issues over the illegal importation of firearms and a wee matter over firearms licensing. As there is an awful lot of paperwork required to bring in firearms especially to bring them in and the issue of licensing requirements at short notice.

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