Daily review 12/08/2019

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1. Cricklewood 1

   12 August 2019 at 5:37 pm

   https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/114926932/teenage-sportsman-spared-jail-after-admitting-sex-attacks-on-two-girls

   Reading this made me both upset for the victims and angry that our judicial system will use exceptional talent in sport as justification for what is to my mind an unbelievably light sentence.

   Reeks of money and privilege getting preferential treatment in the court system again. I hope the sentence is appealed.
   • McFlock 1.1

     12 August 2019 at 5:45 pm

     At least they didn't talk about his "good character" (other than being a serial sexual attacker), which is another common line 🙄

     I'm not a big lock 'em up guy, but sentence credits for being good at sport or business seem surreal to me. Those aren't mitigating factors, they are factors that help enable that abuse by increasing the power disparity between abuser and person being abused.
     • Cricklewood 1.1.1

       12 August 2019 at 5:50 pm

       Exactly, given his age locking him up is likely not the best option, but a long community based sentence and the a record of the conviction should stand imo… Feel very sorry for his victims and desperately hope they don't end up in a situation where they have to see him walking around town.
     • Blazer 1.1.2

       12 August 2019 at 6:51 pm

       'The judge said the teenager was concerned that any record of his offending would prevent him from achieving his goals.'

       Oh well I can see where the judge is coming from …now.
       • McFlock 1.1.2.1

         12 August 2019 at 7:00 pm

         Yeah, maybe it will. But it's still pretty damned light for serious offending on three separate occasions, including an escalation. So supervision or anything.
   • greywarshark 1.2

     12 August 2019 at 6:28 pm

     Being good at sport is learning how to be an adept physical animal. Where is the use of the higher brain that we know we have, I remember my primary school wasn't interested in that.
     • greywarshark 1.2.1

       12 August 2019 at 6:40 pm

       Edit:
       I think this young man should be locked up for ever, There needs to be an enclosed high-security prison farm that enables a lot of activities there and under guard, but keeps the perpetrators secure, and the public safe.

       https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12257685 Wellington man murders woman with mallet in Karori, sexually violates girl

       It is really bad so I will not put any detail. But women should be able to live in freedom and trust of men, not be the subjects of obsession, disparagement or disgust,

       This is something that should be covered in philosophy classes at school, how we need to understand each other’s different ways. The classes would be where youngsters without loving role models at home, can learn that there are better ways of being than they have encountered.

       The girl will never get over this. I hope that she will find love and security with others in a family situation, and peace within herself so she can have years of happy life, with memories of her mother that she can treasure.
       • McFlock 1.2.1.1

         12 August 2019 at 7:08 pm

         Horrific.
2. mickysavage 2

   12 August 2019 at 6:04 pm

   John Palino has just announced that he is withdrawing from the mayoral campaign and will stand for the Council position in Franklin. He has also endorsed Tamihere …
   • The Al1en 2.1

     12 August 2019 at 6:42 pm

     Sleazy quits and endorses Queasy fits.
   • ScottGN 2.2

     12 August 2019 at 6:53 pm

     Like Banks’ campaign that-never-was this has the grubby prints of Boag’s evil hands all over it
   • Peter 2.3

     12 August 2019 at 8:37 pm

     Both the votes Palino would have got will go to Tamihere. That should see Tamihere's numbers reach into four digits.
     • David Mac 2.3.1

       12 August 2019 at 10:43 pm

       Should be a close race then.

       The vote to whinge ratio in Auckland is shocking. It's currently running at 237 whinges per single vote lodged.

       If the community could be bothered we might see some candidates that can simultaneously walk and chew gum.

       Has anybody ever been looked straight in the eye by John Tamihere?
3. The Al1en 3

   12 August 2019 at 6:57 pm

   In other news Dick Brain elected leader of UKIP

   https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49307101
   • Anne 3.1

     12 August 2019 at 9:50 pm

     lols
4. Kat 4

   12 August 2019 at 8:46 pm

   Hoots gazed out the port window and with a huge sigh turned to Hosk, "no ones buying into our spin anymore, the suckers are not even buying into the dumbest what was in the letter trick……" Hosk scratched the bare skin of his knee through the designer tear in his jeans, wafted down another gulp of Dom Pérignon leaned over and peered out the port window, "is that bright light over there where we are landing….shit, squeaked Hoots, thats Pluto, nearly home already…!!
5. Pat 5

   12 August 2019 at 9:13 pm

   Its worth reposting

   "Herein lies the great moral conundrum of Climate Change. That there is literally no part of the planet’s warm, industrially-woven, woolly-jumper that humanity can remove without the whole damn thing unravelling in its hands.

   You can sit down on the steel railway tracks (the ones you insist we need more of to get internal-combustion driven vehicles off the roads) to prevent the coal reaching its destination, but that cannot, and will not, save the planet."

   https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/101146/chris-trotter-deconstructs-arguments-used-eco-warriors-and-questions-how-much-they

   The only question really is …do you want to go down trying?
   • weka 5.1

     12 August 2019 at 9:27 pm

     Chris finally catching up. Meanwhile Peak Oil people were talking about this 15 years ago and brainstorming solutions. Hope he can catch up with that soon too.

     Because I've been around solutions based people far longer than I have known how serious CC is, I'm less afraid of the collapse of civ than I am of it continuing unabated.
     • Pat 5.1.1

       12 August 2019 at 9:34 pm

       Then I fear you dont understand what the collapse of civilisation looks like…try Yemen
       • weka 5.1.1.1

         12 August 2019 at 10:46 pm

         Civ unabated looks like Hiroshima.

         I think it's likely we can't avoid civ collapsing, or at least a major power down. We may have choices in how that happens though. Losing civ isn't one thing, there are a whole range of scenarios that could happen.

         I wish people like Chris, who have a fair amount of influence, would spend more time listening to those who've been doing this a long time.
         • Pat 5.1.1.1.1

           12 August 2019 at 11:11 pm

           Just because they have been doing whatever for a long time dosnt mean they have the monopoly on insight….is his position wrong? I think not.

           And yes civilisation will collapse at some point…but theres no need to hasten it as that is certainly not what I would wish upon anyone
           • weka 5.1.1.1.1.1

             12 August 2019 at 11:27 pm

             there are good arguments for hastening it (a la Derrick Jensen), but I wasn't meaning that. Powering down while we still can gives us way better chances than carrying on BAU until it's forced on us. The latter is Yemen scenario. The former is more like Cuba.

             Trotter's post is patronising (he thinks climate activists haven't thought about these things, really?). He's spent the last ten years dissing the Greens. I spent it learning about how everything about civ is reliant on FF and what we can do about it. People come to it at different times, but having a go at protestors out of his own ignorance is not helpful imo.

             It is good he is raising population as an issue, because few will talk about it, but I think the way he has done it is unlikely to take us to the solutions he is looking for. Also, the rice thing, best not go down the teeming Asian hordes track. People in China know a few things about growing food sustainably that Trotter won't even be aware of yet.
             • weka …

               12 August 2019 at 11:28 pm

               I am curious where he go the 8 billion thing from. Did he make that up or is it based on something.
               • Pat …

                 12 August 2019 at 11:39 pm

                 no idea….I would have thought hed be a little more circumspect but dosnt change the theme.

                 Yes we are overstocked and our farming practice needs revision and there are a multitude of other things that need to change (hell the whole financial system is teetering on the brink of collapse) but we cannot dump everything we currently do without something to replace it and sadly we dont yet have that…and I seriously doubt we are capable of devising an alternative, certainly in the timeframe required….but Im fairly sure that if we do stop everything without a plan we will invite nothing more than a catastrophe every bit as bad as that which we seek to avoid ….only sooner
             • Pat …

               12 August 2019 at 11:52 pm

               You say his post is patronising…..have a look at the comments to the article.

               His audience isnt the choir,,,theres a large segment of society that have not or only recently begun to consider these issues…the Standard is not representative.
               • weka …

                 13 August 2019 at 12:58 am

                 ok, fair point, I'm about halfway through the comments. I still think all he has done is poke a stick to get a reaction, but maybe that's his job and it's up to the rest of us to lead the conversation somewhere useful.
6. weka 6

   12 August 2019 at 10:43 pm

   Quake off the coast near Milford Sound. Shallow, and 6.3 thus far.

   https://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/2019p603895
7. roblogic 7

   13 August 2019 at 12:45 am

   Fascinating talk by Mark Blyth. He's quite positive about climate change, says that when it begins to bite, it will force a new round of innovation, and notes the growth of Green parties around the world and solar power in China

   He predicts that Trump will be re-elected, claims that Biden, Harris, and Sanders are the only plausible challengers, but the Dem base is soft, unlike the fanatical Trumpists

   He also talks about how Corbyn is playing a very smart game in the UK, letting the Conservatives hold the dripping bag of shit known as Brexit, Corbyn's aim isn't to be elected, but to destroy the Tories.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGuaoARJYU0

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