What the hell? Mahuta introduces 130 pages of changes to three waters after it passes.
“There are a significant number of amendments to that prior bill – changing the definition of stormwater which takes all road water networks out of stormwater; significant strengthening around some of the Māori elements along with expectations around the Treaty and the commitments of the CEOs [of the water entities]; the provision for charging for water services; and a significant sway of regulatory or compliance amendments,” Watts said.
Craig H you mustn't give PS insider information like that away.
Ministers do everything in their portfolios. PM does everything as well as driving trucks to restock supermarket shelves in times of shortage such as in the times of lockdown with Covid plus the actual physical shelf stocking. At least she was blamed for shortages at the time. .
Ministers are responsible for ensuring legislation passed through the house does not have '130 pages of amendments' required to a bill that 'just passed'. It's sloppy lawmaking. But heh the entire history of Mahuta's stewardship of 3 Waters has been 'sloppy', at best.
I am sure with your vast experience of working in the PCO's office etc and looking at the passage of bills through the house you will be well placed to comment on the stewardship of the Three Waters Bills through the House: not.
The Herald had to provide balance of some sort despite probably rather not having to by quoting
'A Government spokeswoman said the next bill “adds to the Waters Services Entities Act by setting out the detailed functions and powers of the entities. These amendments are largely technical and administrative in nature.
“The scale of this reform programme is significant and complex. Because of this, it requires separate Bills to deal with different matters.
“At the end of the whole parliamentary process, the legislation will be brought back together to stand up the Water Services Entities to provide drinking water, wastewater and stormwater services to New Zealand by 1 July 2024,” the spokeswoman said.
She said the Government had signalled there would be multiple bills, publicly and to the select committee.'
I think the RMA was divided into several Bills to assist passage through the house, or it was a large environmental bill that went through at the time.
The best and main point is though do we want the best legislation or not? I would be thinking the 'best' and what better time to achieve this than when the Bills are still 'live'.
On the Herald itself and its coverage Bryan Gould comments here
'With news coverage as biased as this from our leading newspaper, what chance do we have of operating an effective and working democracy?'
I class The Herald as one of the screechers like Mike Hosking.
Back in the day I used to get The Herald and it followed me on subscription to various places in NZ. It used to have a reputation as being a bit behind the eight ball, a little bit old fashioned 'Granny' being the nickname, but has changed to being strident and screechy. I got it as my 'local' to get local news/doings/real estate. At the time I got it on sub no-one really got it for the quality of its political analysis.
It is a pity that in trying to expand its national political coverage it has opted to be less than what is needed as a functioning member of the Fourth Estate.
“The scale of this reform programme is significant and complex. Because of this, it requires separate Bills to deal with different matters."
Except that this latest bill did much more than that. It was "mainly (be) a series of amendments to the second bill.". Why are such amendments due so soon after the original legislation was passed? Why could those 'amendments' not have been included in the original legislation?
The Minister has managed the 3waters program poorly, and this, more than any media coverage, has contributed to the significant public distaste for 3waters.
Watts agreed that the fact there would be multiple bills is nothing new – however, he said the Government had not been transparent about the fact this bill, the third bill in the Three Waters reform process, would mainly be a series of amendments to the second bill. [my italics]
From a cursory look at the Bill, it would seem that Watts was indeed politicking and grandstanding (aka making up shit), as suspected.
Of course he was politicking. Doesn't change a thing.
"There are a significant number of amendments to that prior bill – changing the definition of stormwater which takes all road water networks out of stormwater; significant strengthening around some of the Māori elements along with expectations around the Treaty and the commitments of the CEOs [of the water entities]; the provision for charging for water services; and a significant sway of regulatory or compliance amendments,” Watts said.
The "detailed functions and powers of the entities" should have been in the original Water Services Entities Act.
A matter of opinion. Amendments are natural part of Bills, just look at how many other amendments are in this new Bill. Three Waters reforms were always going to comprise several Bills. Watts is spinning a narrative rather than doing his job as SC member and MP, which is so typical of Nat MPs: whinge & whine but offer nothing much of substance. I can see the appeal to you because you simply are anti-Three Waters no matter what and your comments are self-serving without substance.
Interesting. Can you think of a bill that introduced amendments to an Act passed just hours before? Of course there will be plenty of examples in which a Bill was changed days before being passed into law (including a notable example recently by this same Minister). But just hours after?
Actually Td I am not sure that you are onto a point at all.
In my summation of what can happen when bills go through I think the Minister has been blessed with a good department that is following the changes made, worked out if they have implications for clauses passed or to come and they have put forward amendments on the way through. Bear in mind that this was a very complex Bill, quite confusing with amdts/counteramdts and being part of an omnibus set of legislation.
You are buying into the idea that this is
a) unusual
b) worthy of condemnation
from the statement of a new Nat MP (2 years in) who has no prior, ie in terms of previous work, legislative drafting experience, and no in house parliamentary experience in legal drafting.
He may have been on the select committee but does not seem to have kept his eyes open and absorbed what is going on. I would have thought that a member of the select cttee would have been well aware of the Dept'l workload, the huge amount of work put in by PCO & dept'l staff and of the changes that had gone though to make this workload.
(bearing in mind that select cttee members and dept'l staff usually get to be on close terms because of the work they do together.)
I actually think he would have done better to have congratulated the select cttee on the work they had done, commented that it is not done yet and work awaits if he needed to say anything at all.
Saying stuff like this just shows him to be a bit of a 'cock', dick, dork (take your pick, excuse the French). People who know how things work will be saying just that while those who don't know how things work will be saying 'shock, horror did you hear what he said….?'
He is just grandstanding or politicking as Incognito has said.
"and they have put forward amendments on the way through."
A sound legislative process would be one in which said amendments were made to the legislation as that legislation passed through the various stages of the house. Not hours after it passed into law.
Bear in mind that this was a very complex Bill, quite confusing with amdts/counteramdts and being part of an omnibus set of legislation."
Yes and I would argue that places an even greater responsibility on those responsible for the legislation to get it right.
"You are buying into the idea that this is
a) unusual
b) worthy of condemnation"
Assuming by 'this' you mean making changes to a law within hours of it passing:
a) I would expect it is highly unusual, otherwise there would be a pattern of very poor practice. But I will wait for any other examples to be provided.
b) It is certainly worthy of criticism. The entire passage of the 3Waters proposal has been tardy. Just three examples are the infantile advertising that had to be cut short, the deception around the opt out, and the potentially 'constitutionally damaging' attempt to entrench public ownership. I could give plenty more examples, and almost all will fall at the feet of the Minister. This is just the latest example.
I know that this idea of 'sloppiness' is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Hopefully though it has not been formed by the likes of the article that Anker linked to from the Herald. The article mentioned a Nat MP that they had obviously asked to comment on the 'shock, horror' expose about the amendments.
Simon Watts came into parliament in 2020 and therefore has no experince in shepherding legislation through the house from early stages to enactment. If say the Herald has got someone on the Nats side who had experience in legislation of the size and complexity of the Three Waters legislation then perhaps there would have been a point.
But as it is we have commentary breathlessly quoted from the Herald from a person who has had no relevant experience. There is no measure to say if 130 pages is more than usual, less than usual or about average.
As you have always listene to what I have to say even though we mostly would disagree, I can only give you my experiences from the departmental side and the Ministers office advisory side of two pieces of legislation where I did have some sort of experience at the stage where Three Waters is now..
Of course in many Govt depts our whole whole work lives are spent looking at legislation, amendments, writing technical policy etc about the legislation. Mine mostly was.
Anyway back to what happens that could cause 130 pages of amendments
1 the draft legislation would have come itoot parliament via PCO/legal departmental officers often many months before
2 clause are drafted to work within each other and with other parts of the bill.
3 after it has been introduced, referred to select committees, come back into the house, changed at various stages some of these clause don't work within themselves or with each other as well as they had before. This is even with the best legislative brains in the business looking at it. PCO are the best legal drafting brains.
4 the reason for this is usually time pressures.
5 once the legislation goes back to the department then the best subject matter experts will have a look and say well even though it is well drafted it will have ramifications for this section or that section and these will need to have changes made.
6 the worst case scenario is that a section is amended somewhere and that further down the track we find that a whole part of an act cannot actually work.
7 Of course everybody is working like beavers to make sure this doesn't happen, huge long hours are worked both at PCO level and departmental level. With legislation going through it was not unusual for PCO/Minister's offices and departmental legal and subject matter experts to work all day & night with minimal breaks. Having meetings at 11.00pm etc to discuss wording being surprised at one of these meetings to suddenly have the PM appear, concerned about a clause.
8 Suggestions for amendments can come from other MPs with legal drafting experience and from members of the select committees from all sides of the house.
9 This all takes time
10 So it gets enacted, and remembering there was a giant mix-up because of the entrenchment clauses lodged by Eugenie Sage.
11 So something final comes back to the department and subject matter experts look at the final product…….there may be unexpected clashes etc with other parts of bills to come, with existing legislation etc etc.
12 they will bring these to the attention of the Minister. When we did this we usually advised if we could live with the unexpected or not. If not what was the urgency in getting it fixed? Would a fix be controversial?
13 In this case because there are still parts to come and because some are urgent and some are 'well we may as well clarify while we can' they would have all gone up.
14 In our department just days after legislation had been enacted we would be starting a file series to cover amendments to it that may arise in the future. Depending how urgent and the legislative programmes these might get in the following year or in ten years time by which case they would be joined by 50 or so other proposed amendments.
So I don't think you can say that this is sloppy, in fact it is usual
As I have said you have your opinion about Hon Mahuta's handling.
Bearing mind the hugely complex bill, treading new ground I think as a Minister shepherding legislation through she is easily on a par with Minister's who have dealt with similar legislation.
In common parlance I think she 'is across' her portfolio, she would probably be able to give a commentary on some of the minutiae at the drop of a hat.
I know the two Ministers I worked for (Nat/Lab) were able to converse at length on various aspects on legislation they had got through the House. One even gave a speech on it without notes on a complicated piece of legislation from the portfolio!
Sorry for the length and again for being harsh about your opinion.
Hi S. I’ve only just seen this reply, and I really do appreciate the care you’ve taken in your response.
My view on the media is simply that editorial is the place for expressing opinion, and all other reporting should be presenting facts, without fear or favour. But I’m a dinosaur, and I have learned from personal experience that what sells is what gets printed in most cases.
Ha ha imagine how happy we would be with our media printing facts and editorials or guest comments providing the opinion.
Mind you NZ Herald has always been a bit Nat oriented per editorial stance…what seems to have changed is that the articles seem to reflect this and do not present an all sides view.
And to be simple we need all the sides so we can have good opinions, whatever they may be.
Happy New Year to you too TD……looking forward to seeing your opinions as we go forward.
Indeed, that has long been my assessment of her too Robert. She is vastly under-rated but it is to be expected since she is Maori and has a moko. Something else that is underrated is the high level of racism that exists in NZ – not that the offenders ever admit to it.
"Clearly a conscientious perfectionist". That's your best line yet. Pure gold. Passed that on to a few people here and they still haven't stopped laughing!
The folk you list are more sneerers than laughers, so I'm guessing Jester's crowd are either patients in an institution, or stoned; the sort of people who would laugh at length at a piece of string wriggling.
None were farmers that I know of. A couple of plumbers, an electrician, a builder, a lawyer, a few retail workers and some uni students. Just average people.
Yes I'm sure there were some Nat voters among them as roughly 37% of people vote Nats?
And ironically, nearly half of them were Maori (or partly). So I don't think they would be anti Maori.
But it's funny how you play the race card saying 'anti Maori people' (just like those that argue Efeso lost to Brown because of his colour, nothing to do with the fact they wanted change or thought Brown would get more done).
That Bill was introduced on 8 Dec and had its First Reading on 13 Dec. Why the whinge about it on pretty much the last day before people go on holiday? Who’s playing political games here?
Note how Granny Herald (organ of the colonial settler regime) reports every political story through a National Party lens. They could have gone to the source and asked Mahuta herself.
Tsk tsk tsk, electric car are the greenest thing for environmentally minded personz and peoplez in the parts of the world were we refuse to mine or drill because mining and drilling destroys the the environment and pollution is for poor countries, not us civilized western first world countries.. Now tell the anxious consuming masses that they should buy another battery driven gadget, replace that barely one year old communication device, get that government money for that E-car, and feel 100% green and clean and it keeps the economy going and it brings in GST and sales taxes. Woot Woot. Feel good. Feel Green. Feel Clean in your 50+ Grand vehicle. After all, what else is to life then spending money on shit no one actually needs.
Hard to find a more nauseating sight than 400 or so stupid yanks in a room all clapping like seals but there it was ….again !! just like the 'Juan Guido ' episode with Donald Trump presiding where exactly the same wierd scenes played out .
Those 400 yanks from 'both sides of the isle ' who ordinarily cant agree on anything !! yet have no trouble voting for endless war .This year its apparently more than a trillion dollars for its military not including what its spending in Ukraine .
Funniest moment is where one of the senators declares "
they're gonna track down an find out who wasnt clapping "!!!You couldnt make it up !!Ikiest moment is where zelensky kisses Nancy !! eeewww !!
Perhaps if u had half a clue of the actual subject roblogic and an appreciation of what was actually available to inform you on MSM you'd think differently but i see youre content just to go with the mob ie Zelensky is "churchilian "the Ukrainians are winning and if you dont clap its the end of the world as we know it etc etc etc …whateva ..the world will spin for a few more revolutions yet hopefully
Your reply is completely out of context to my original comment roblogic it was specifically about a room full of supposedly intelligent and very important people in AMERICA who were clapping " like seals" in other words because everybody else was clapping .The thing looked like a movie because thats exactly what it was the movie directors were 'setting the scene ' they were selling a war !
Tucker Carlson just exposed a few parts of the action afaik the only news anchor in MSM to do so and i take my hat off to him for doing so .
incidentally i could find you a hundred links detailing Ukrainian transgressions of human rights but i suggest you find them yourself war is hell on both sides of the conflict .
Now comes the claim that you can't expect to literally believe the words that come out of Carlson's mouth. And that assertion is not coming from Carlson's critics. It's being made by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York and by Fox News's own lawyers in defending Carlson against accusations of slander. It worked, by the way.
Just read U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "
Yeah i noticed that back when the story first came out , its a weird scene to be sure its America !! But just because Tucker appears to fuck up in this case does'nt negate his input to news for all time it just reemphasizes what we have always known ie caveat emptor .
American isolationism may have reached its zenith on 1940, when a group of Congress members and influential private citizens, headed by already-famed aviator Charles A. Lindbergh, formed the America First Committee (AFC) with the specific goal of preventing America from becoming involved in World War II then being waged in Europe and Asia.
When the AFC first convened on September 4, 1940, Lindbergh told the gathering that while isolationism did not mean walling off America from contact with the rest of the world, “it does mean that the future of America will not be tied to these eternal wars in Europe. It means that American boys will not be sent across the ocean to die so that England or Germany or France or Spain may dominate the other nations.”
“An independent American destiny means, on the one hand, that our soldiers will not have to fight everybody in the world who prefers some other system of life to ours. On the other hand, it means that we will fight anybody and everybody who attempts to interfere with our hemisphere,”
And if you follow Peter Zeihan, you will have heard his detailed argument that this same isolationist spirit has been gradually re-asserting itself in the US since the end of the Cold War. Obviously events like Iraq and Afghanistan ran counter to this narrative, but the undercurrent has been growing steadily. It perhaps had it's most recent and visible manifestation, in Biden's precipitous and disastrously handled withdrawal from Afghanistan, and quite likely played into Poots equally disastrous miscalculation that NATO would not care too much about Ukraine.
Carlson is giving modern voice to this very American sentiment – why should they pay in blood and treasure for wars being fought on the other side of the planet? But then reality came to visit:
After growing to over 800,000 members, the AFC disbanded on December 11, 1941, less than a week after the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. In its final press release, the Committee stated that while its efforts might have prevented it, the Pearl Harbor attack made it the duty of all Americans to support the war effort to defeat Nazism and the Axis powers.
His mind and heart changed, Lindbergh flew more than 50 combat missions in the Pacific theater as a civilian, and after the war, traveled throughout Europe helping with the U.S. military rebuild and revitalize the continent.
Both Lindbergh and Carlson are best understood in the light of this very old pattern of American thinking, born of their fight for independence from colonial empires, and fostered by a geography that literally isolates them by two oceans and grants them the option to decouple economically from much of the rest of the world if they so needed to.
But events always prove the basis of this thinking to be wrong – deluded at worst. Lindbergh to his credit changed his mind; it remains to be seen what Carlson's future holds.
There is another aspect, Tucker Carlson is in synch with the notion of a white race religion, heritage and cultural order, one that he sees Putin as part of. Even to the point of dismissing any priority to a collective defence of democratic nations. Which is only a few steps away from acceptance of doing bad things to secure domestic political victory for the GOP.
Japan attacking US homeland (50 state) territory crossed even the isolationists redline (and Hitler declared war on the USA afterwards), and of course they were in full support of a containment of Soviet communism, in defence of private ownership etc.
Well yes. Carlson is a social conservative as is much of Russian society. But it is possible to be anti-woke and yet anti-imperialist at the same time and this war is going to leave him exposed on the wrong side of history.
I think this is because Carlson represents an essentially backward looking conservatism; that lacking a positive vision for the future, clings instead to a selectively rosy view of the past. He is far from alone in this.
You reckon ? Imo the exact opposite is true , like a good deal of the information coming out of this war , casualty figures for example the line about a lie going right around the world before the truth has got its boots on has never been more apt .
Jeepers seems like not a very good fit comparing Lindbergh and Carlson red i mean Carlson just comes across to me as a salesman he's just selling fox news to the world and undoubtedly making huge money in the process i dunno how much he makes but i remember hearing that that lunatic Maddow was making 30mil annually for the four years she peddled the Russiagate hoax .
To me Tucker Carlson steps away from the 'official narrative ' just long enough for me to notice additionally he interviews people the rest of MSM considers persona non grata . I think thats a good thing .
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Rob MacCulloch writes – Can’t remember the last book by a Kiwi author you read? Think the NZ government should spend less on the arts in favor of helping the homeless? If so, as far as Newsroom is concerned, you probably deserve to be called a cultural ignoramus ...
Eric Crampton writes – Grudges are bad. Better to move on. But it can be fun to keep a couple of really trivial ones, so you’re not tempted to have other ones. For example, because of the rootkit fiasco of 2005, no Sony products in our household. ...
A new report warns an estimated third of the adult population have unmet need for health care.Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāHere’s the six key things I learned about Aotaroa’s political economy this week around housing, climate and poverty:Politics - Three opinion polls confirmed support for PM Christopher Luxon ...
Today is May the fourth. Which was just a regular day when my mother took me to see the newly released Star Wars at the Odeon in Rotorua. The queue was right around the corner. Some years later this day became known as Star Wars Day, the date being a ...
Buzz from the Beehive Much more media attention is being paid to something Winston Peters said about former Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr than to a speech he delivered to the New Zealand China Council. One word is missing from the speech: AUKUS. But AUKUS loomed large in his considerations ...
Is the economy in another long stagnation? If so, why?This is about the time that the Treasury will be locking up its economic forecasts to be published in the 2024 Budget Economic and Fiscal Update (BEFU) on budget day, 30 May. I am not privy to what they will be ...
The annual list of who's been bribing our politicians is out, and journalists will no doubt be poring over it to find the juiciest and dirtiest bribes. The government's fast-track invite list is likely to be a particular focus, and we already know of one company on the list which ...
In the weeks after the October 7 Hamas attacks on Southern Israel I wrote about the possible 2nd, 3rd and even 4th order effects of the conflict. These included new fronts being opened in the West Bank (with Hamas), Golan … Continue reading → ...
Peter Dunne writes – It is one of the oldest truisms that there is never a good time for MPs to get a pay rise. This week’s announcement of pay raises of around 2.8% backdated to last October could hardly have come at a worse time, with the ...
David Farrar writes – Newshub reports: Newshub can reveal a fresh allegation of intimidation against Green MP Julie-Anne Genter. Genter is subject to a disciplinary process for aggressively waving a book in the face of National Minister Matt Doocey in the House – but it’s not the first time ...
The Treasury has published a paper today on the global productivity slowdown and how it is playing out in New Zealand: The productivity slowdown: implications for the Treasury’s forecasts and projections. The Treasury Paper examines recent trends in productivity and the potential drivers of the slowdown. Productivity for the whole economy ...
Winston Peters’ comments about former Australian foreign minister look set to be an ongoing headache for both him and Luxon. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for subscribers features co-hosts and , along with regular guests on Gaza and ...
These puppet strings don't pull themselvesYou're thinking thoughts from someone elseHow much time do you think you have?Are you prepared for what comes next?The debating chamber can be a trying place for an opposition MP. What with the person in charge, the speaker, typically being an MP from the governing ...
The land around Lyme Regis, where Meryl Streep once stood, in a hood, on the Cobb, is falling into the sea.MerylThe land around Lyme Regis, around the Cobb that made it rich, has always been falling slowly but surely into the sea. Read more ...
Buzz from the Beehive Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters was bound to win headlines when he set out his thinking about AUKUS in his speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. The headlines became bigger when – during an interview on RNZ’s Morning Report today – he criticised ...
The Post reports on how the government is refusing to release its advice on its corrupt Muldoonist fast-track law, instead using the "soon to be publicly available" refusal ground to hide it until after select committee submissions on the bill have closed. Fast-track Minister Chris Bishop's excuse? “It's not ...
As pressure on it grows, the livestock industry’s approach to the transition to Net Zero is increasingly being compared to that of fossil fuel interests. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / Getty ImagesTL;DR: Here’s the top five news items of note in climate news for Aotearoa-NZ this week, and a discussion above ...
The New Zealand Herald reports – Stats NZ has offered a voluntary redundancy scheme to all of its workers as a way to give staff some control over their “future” amidst widespread job losses in the public sector. In an update to staff this morning, seen by the Herald, Statistics New Zealand ...
On Werewolf/Scoop, I usually do two long form political columns a week. From now on, there will be an extra column each week about music and movies. But first, some late-breaking political events:The rise in unemployment numbers for the March quarter was bigger than expected – and especially sharp ...
David Farrar writes – The Herald reports: TVNZ says it is dealing with about 50 formal complaints over its coverage of the latest 1News-Verian political poll, with some viewers – as well as the Prime Minister and a former senior Labour MP – critical of the tone of the 6pm report. ...
Muriel Newman writes – When Meridian Energy was seeking resource consents for a West Coast hydro dam proposal in 2010, local Maori “strenuously” objected, claiming their mana was inextricably linked to ‘their’ river and could be damaged. After receiving a financial payment from the company, however, the Ngai Tahu ...
Alwyn Poole writes – “An SEP,’ he said, ‘is something that we can’t see, or don’t see, or our brain doesn’t let us see, because we think that it’s somebody else’s problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it’s like a ...
The Green Party is welcoming the announcement by the Minister Responsible for RMA Reform Chris Bishop to approve most of the Wellington City Council’s District Plan recommendations. ...
David Seymour has failed to get the sweeping cuts he wanted to the free and healthy school lunch programme, Labour education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
Hon Willie Jackson has been invited by the Oxford Union to debate the motion “This House Believes British Museums are not Very British’ on May 23rd. ...
Green Party MP Hūhana Lyndon says her Public Works (Prohibition of Compulsory Acquisition of Māori Land) Amendment Bill is an opportunity to right some past wrongs around the alienation of Māori land. ...
A senior, highly respected King’s Counsel with decades of experience in our law courts, Gary Judd KC, has filed a complaint about compulsory tikanga Māori studies for law students - highlighting the utter depths of absurdity this woke cultural madness has taken our society. The tikanga regulations will compel law ...
The Government needs to be clear with the people of the Nelson Marlborough region about the changes it is considering for the Nelson Hospital rebuild, Labour health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall said. ...
Ministers must front up about which projects it will push through under its Fast Track Approvals legislation, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
The Government is again adding to New Zealand’s growing unemployment, this time cutting jobs at the agencies responsible for urban development and growing much needed housing stock. ...
With Minister Karen Chhour indicating in the House today that she either doesn’t know or care about the frontline cuts she’s making to Oranga Tamariki, we risk seeing more and more of our children falling through the cracks. ...
The Labour Party is saddened to learn of the death of Sir Robert Martin, a globally renowned disability advocate who led the way for disability rights both in New Zealand and internationally. ...
Labour is calling for the Government to urgently rethink its coalition commitment to restart live animal exports, Labour animal welfare spokesperson Rachel Boyack said. ...
Today’s Financial Stability Report has once again highlighted that poverty and deep inequality are political choices - and this Government is choosing to make them worse. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to do more for our households in most need as unemployment rises and the cost of living crisis endures. ...
Unemployment is on the rise and it’s only going to get worse under this Government, Labour finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds said. Stats NZ figures show the unemployment rate grew to 4.3 percent in the March quarter from 4 percent in the December quarter. “This is the second rise in unemployment ...
The New Zealand Labour Party welcomes the entering into force of the European Union and New Zealand free trade agreement. This agreement opens the door for a huge increase in trade opportunities with a market of 450 million people who are high value discerning consumers of New Zealand goods and ...
The National-led Government continues its fiscal jiggery pokery with its Pharmac announcement today, Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall says. “The government has increased Pharmac funding but conceded it will only make minimal increases in access to medicine”, said Ayesha Verrall “This is far from the bold promises made to fund ...
This afternoon’s interim Waitangi Tribunal report must be taken seriously as it affects our most vulnerable children, Labour children’s spokesperson Willow-Jean Prime. ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
The Therapeutic Products Act (TPA) will be repealed this year so that a better regime can be put in place to provide New Zealanders safe and timely access to medicines, medical devices and health products, Associate Health Minister Casey Costello announced today. “The medicines and products we are talking about ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop, today released his decision on twenty recommendations referred to him by the Wellington City Council relating to its Intensification Planning Instrument, after the Council rejected those recommendations of the Independent Hearings Panel and made alternative recommendations. “Wellington notified its District Plan on ...
Rape Awareness Week (6-10 May) is an important opportunity to acknowledge the continued effort required by government and communities to ensure that all New Zealanders can live free from violence, say Ministers Karen Chhour and Louise Upston. “With 1 in 3 women and 1 in 8 men experiencing sexual violence ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government will be delivering a more efficient Healthy School Lunches Programme, saving taxpayers approximately $107 million a year compared to how Labour funded it, by embracing innovation and commercial expertise. “We are delivering on our commitment to treat taxpayers’ money ...
New research on the impacts of extreme weather on coastal marine habitats in Tairāwhiti and Hawke’s Bay will help fishery managers plan for and respond to any future events, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. A report released today on research by Niwa on behalf of Fisheries New Zealand ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters will lead a broad political delegation on a five-stop Pacific tour next week to strengthen New Zealand’s engagement with the region. The delegation will visit Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, and Tuvalu. “New Zealand has deep and ...
There has been a material decline in gas production according to figures released today by the Gas Industry Co. Figures released by the Gas Industry Company show that there was a 12.5 per cent reduction in gas production during 2023, and a 27.8 per cent reduction in gas production in the ...
Defence Minister Judith Collins tonight announced the recipients of the Minister of Defence Awards of Excellence for Industry, saying they all contribute to New Zealanders’ security and wellbeing. “Congratulations to this year’s recipients, whose innovative products and services play a critical role in the delivery of New Zealand’s defence capabilities, ...
Welcome to you all - it is a pleasure to be here this evening.I would like to start by thanking Greg Lowe, Chair of the New Zealand Defence Industry Advisory Council, for co-hosting this reception with me. This evening is about recognising businesses from across New Zealand and overseas who in ...
It is a pleasure to be speaking to you as the Minister for Digitising Government. I would like to thank Akolade for the invitation to address this Summit, and to acknowledge the great effort you are making to grow New Zealand’s digital future. Today, we stand at the cusp of ...
New Zealand is urging both Israel and Hamas to agree to an immediate ceasefire to avoid the further humanitarian catastrophe that military action in Rafah would unleash, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The immense suffering in Gaza cannot be allowed to worsen further. Both sides have a responsibility to ...
A new online data dashboard released today as part of the Government’s school attendance action plan makes more timely daily attendance data available to the public and parents, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. The interactive dashboard will be updated once a week to show a national average of how ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced Rosemary Banks will be New Zealand’s next Ambassador to the United States of America. “Our relationship with the United States is crucial for New Zealand in strategic, security and economic terms,” Mr Peters says. “New Zealand and the United States have a ...
The Government is considering creating a new tier of minerals permitting that will make it easier for hobby miners to prospect for gold. “New Zealand was built on gold, it’s in our DNA. Our gold deposits, particularly in regions such as Otago and the West Coast have always attracted fortune-hunters. ...
Minister for Trade Todd McClay today announced that New Zealand and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) will commence negotiations on a free trade agreement (FTA). Minister McClay met with his counterpart UAE Trade Minister Dr Thani bin Ahmed Al Zeyoudi in Dubai, where they announced the launch of negotiations on a ...
New Zealand Sign Language Week is an excellent opportunity for all Kiwis to give the language a go, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. This week (May 6 to 12) is New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL) Week. The theme is “an Aotearoa where anyone can sign anywhere” and aims to ...
Six tertiary students have been selected to work on NASA projects in the US through a New Zealand Space Scholarship, Space Minister Judith Collins announced today. “This is a fantastic opportunity for these talented students. They will undertake internships at NASA’s Ames Research Center or its Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), where ...
New Zealanders will be safer because of a $1.9 billion investment in more frontline Corrections officers, more support for offenders to turn away from crime, and more prison capacity, Corrections Minister Mark Mitchell says. “Our Government said we would crack down on crime. We promised to restore law and order, ...
The OECD’s latest report on New Zealand reinforces the importance of bringing Government spending under control, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The OECD conducts country surveys every two years to review its members’ economic policies. The 2024 New Zealand survey was presented in Wellington today by OECD Chief Economist Clare Lombardelli. ...
The Government has delivered on its election promise to provide a financially sustainable model for Auckland under its Local Water Done Well plan. The plan, which has been unanimously endorsed by Auckland Council’s Governing Body, will see Aucklanders avoid the previously projected 25.8 per cent water rates increases while retaining ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters discussed the need for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, and enhanced cooperation in the Pacific with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock during her first official visit to New Zealand today. "New Zealand and Germany enjoy shared interests and values, including the rule of law, democracy, respect for the international system ...
The Minister Responsible for RMA Reform, Chris Bishop today released his decision on four recommendations referred to him by the Western Bay of Plenty District Council, opening the door to housing growth in the area. The Council’s Plan Change 92 allows more homes to be built in existing and new ...
Thank you, John McKinnon and the New Zealand China Council for the invitation to speak to you today. Thank you too, all members of the China Council. Your effort has played an essential role in helping to build, shape, and grow a balanced and resilient relationship between our two ...
The Government is modernising insurance law to better protect Kiwis and provide security in the event of a disaster, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “These reforms are long overdue. New Zealand’s insurance law is complicated and dated, some of which is more than 100 years old. ...
The coalition Government is refreshing its approach to supporting pay equity claims as time-limited funding for the Pay Equity Taskforce comes to an end, Public Service Minister Nicola Willis says. “Three years ago, the then-government introduced changes to the Equal Pay Act to support pay equity bargaining. The changes were ...
Structured literacy will change the way New Zealand children learn to read - improving achievement and setting students up for success, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Being able to read and write is a fundamental life skill that too many young people are missing out on. Recent data shows that ...
Trade Minister Todd McClay says Canada’s refusal to comply in full with a CPTPP trade dispute ruling in our favour over dairy trade is cynical and New Zealand has no intention of backing down. Mr McClay said he has asked for urgent legal advice in respect of our ‘next move’ ...
The rights of our children and young people will be enhanced by changes the coalition Government will make to strengthen oversight of the Oranga Tamariki system, including restoring a single Children’s Commissioner. “The Government is committed to delivering better public services that care for our most at-risk young people and ...
The Government is making it easier for minor changes to be made to a building consent so building a home is easier and more affordable, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “The coalition Government is focused on making it easier and cheaper to build homes so we can ...
New Zealand lost a true legend when internationally renowned disability advocate Sir Robert Martin (KNZM) passed away at his home in Whanganui last night, Disabilities Issues Minister Louise Upston says. “Our Government’s thoughts are with his wife Lynda, family and community, those he has worked with, the disability community in ...
Good evening – Before discussing the challenges and opportunities facing New Zealand’s foreign policy, we’d like to first acknowledge the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. You have contributed to debates about New Zealand foreign policy over a long period of time, and we thank you for hosting us. ...
From today, passengers travelling internationally from Auckland Airport will be able to keep laptops and liquids in their carry-on bags for security screening thanks to new technology, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Creating a more efficient and seamless travel experience is important for holidaymakers and businesses, enabling faster movement through ...
People with an interest in the health of Northland’s marine ecosystems are invited to a public meeting to discuss how to deal with kina barrens, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones will lead the discussion, which will take place on Friday, 10 May, at Awanui Hotel in ...
Kiwi exporters are $100 million better off today with the NZ EU FTA entering into force says Trade Minister Todd McClay. “This is all part of our plan to grow the economy. New Zealand's prosperity depends on international trade, making up 60 per cent of the country’s total economic activity. ...
There are heartening signs that the extractive sector is once again becoming an attractive prospect for investors and a source of economic prosperity for New Zealand, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The beginnings of a resurgence in extractive industries are apparent in media reports of the sector in the past ...
The return of the historic Ō-Rākau battle site to the descendants of those who fought there moved one step closer today with the first reading of Te Pire mō Ō-Rākau, Te Pae o Maumahara / The Ō-Rākau Remembrance Bill. The Bill will entrust the 9.7-hectare battle site, five kilometres west ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has announced 25 new high-speed EV charging hubs along key routes between major urban centres and outlined the Government’s plan to supercharge New Zealand’s EV infrastructure. The hubs will each have several chargers and be capable of charging at least four – and up to 10 ...
The coalition Government will not proceed with the previous Government’s plans to regulate residential property managers, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “I have written to the Chairperson of the Social Services and Community Committee to inform him that the Government does not intend to support the Residential Property Managers Bill ...
The Government has announced an independent review into the disability support system funded by the Ministry of Disabled People – Whaikaha. Disability Issues Minister Louise Upston says the review will look at what can be done to strengthen the long-term sustainability of Disability Support Services to provide disabled people and ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has attended the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva and outlined the Government’s plan to restore law and order. “Speaking to the United Nations Human Rights Council provided us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while responding to issues and ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Myfany Turpin, Associate Professor, Ethnomusicology, Linguistics and Ethnobiology, University of Sydney The act representing Australia at this year’s Eurovision contest has sadly not qualified for the grand final. Yet for Zaachariaha Fielding and Michael Ross, the duo that makes up Electric Fields, ...
In announcing changes to the school lunches programme, David Seymour said kids would no longer be served ‘woke’ foods. To clear up any confusion, The Spinoff has compiled a guide to the wokeness levels of some common food items. Apple = NOT WOKE Avocado = WOKE Avocado, smashed = EVEN ...
The Minister Responsible for GCSB and the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security have been notified of this review, and have been provided a finalised Terms of Reference. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Minglu Chen, Senior Lecturer, Government and International Relations, University of Sydney Robert Way/Shutterstock As the past few years have illustrated so clearly, the Australia-China relationship is complicated. As such, it is crucial for Australians to develop a more nuanced understanding of ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mariana Campbell, Research Lecturer, Conservation, Charles Darwin University Marilyn Connell Australian freshwater turtles are facing an alarming trend. Almost half of these species are listed as vulnerable, endangered or critically endangered. The Mary River turtle (Elusor macrurus) is one of Australia’s ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Debbie Passey, Digital Health Research Fellow, The University of Melbourne Algorithms have become integral to our lives. From social media apps to Netflix, algorithms learn your preferences and prioritise the content you are shown. Google Maps and artificial intelligence are nothing without ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Josephine Barbaro, Associate Professor, Principal Research Fellow, Psychologist, La Trobe University Unsplash We’ve come a long way in terms of understanding that everyone thinks, interacts and experiences the world differently. In the past, autistic people, people with attention deficit hyperactive disorder ...
PNG Post-Courier Papua New Guinea’s deputy opposition leader James Nomane has accused the government of “reckless economic management” that has forced devaluation to manage loan repayments in foreign currency and placate the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Prime Minister James Marape “must stop lying to the people of Papua New Guinea”, ...
Welcome to The Spinoff Bookseller Confessional, in which we get to know Aotearoa’s booksellers. This week: Jane Arthur, author of Brown Bird, and former bookseller at Good Books.The book I wish I’d writtenI have been working on not comparing myself to others. On accepting that what I can ...
The final decision on the Wellington District Plan makes it official: High-density housing is legal across most of Wellington. Housing minister Chris Bishop has announced his decision on the Wellington District Plan, approving a series of amendments to radically upzone most of Wellington, allowing tens of thousands of new townhouses ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards – Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)Political scientist, Dr Bryce Edwards. “Follow the money” is the classic directive to journalists trying to understand where power and influence lie in society. In terms of uncovering who influences various New Zealand political parties and governments, it therefore pays to ...
RNZ News As Israel presses ahead with strikes in Rafah and seizing the Rafah crossing from Egypt, aid agencies are sounding the alarm of a “catastrophic humanitarian situation”. Rafah was “significant” because it was the only part in Gaza that had not been terribly damaged by the conflict, United Nations ...
With funding set to be scrapped for the Hamilton-Auckland commuter train, Te Huia enthusiast Georgie Dansey argues for it to be thrown a lifeline. It’s 5.45am and the chain of my crappy old bike falls off slugging up the one hill in Hamilton. I contemplate yeeting the bike into the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anna Cooke, Honorary Fellow, School of the Environment, The University of Queensland We feel ecological grief when we lose places, species or ecosystems we value and love. These losses are a growing threat to mental health and wellbeing globally. We all see ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Shauna Brail, Associate Professor, Institute for Management & Innovation, University of Toronto A shift to hybrid and remote work continues to affect worker presence in Toronto’s downtown.(Shutterstock) Downtown Toronto, the core of Canada’s largest city, continues to reel from the lingering ...
Responding to an Auditor-General's report slamming failures in the administration of the 2023 General Election, Taxpayers’ Union Policy and Public Affairs Manager, James Ross, said: ...
Productivity apps now make up a big chunk of the software market. But do they work? And why do they all have AI integrations?Despite being firmly on the record as a physical planner fan, I sometimes dream of something better than my pretty diary and its scrawled, ugly, interior ...
The Taxpayers’ Union says the Beehive need to lead by example, following reports of more than $50,000 spent upgrading video conferencing equipment and furniture in the Prime Minister’s office. Taxpayers’ Union Campaign Manager, Connor Molloy, ...
An objective list of the 50 most powerful people in New Zealand, as judged by the Spinoff Editorial Board. It’s power list season, baby, and we want in on the action. Sure, there’s the rich list and the powerful “c-suite” list and the young people with power (hmmm) but here, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Thalia Anthony, Professor of Law, University of Technology Sydney ShutterstockThis article contains information on deaths in custody and the names of deceased people, and describes ongoing colonial violence towards Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. First Nations people in Australia ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alex Simpson, Senior Lecturer in Criminology, Macquarie University Netflix Baby Reindeer’s phenomenal success has much to do with its writer and lead, Richard Gadd, who plays Donny in a tender semi-autobiographical account of sexual abuse, harassment and stalking. Gadd’s story has ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Clare Collins, Laureate Professor in Nutrition and Dietetics, University of Newcastle KarolinaGrabowska/Pexels If you didn’t have food allergies as a child, is it possible to develop them as an adult? The short answer is yes. But the reasons why are much ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Paul Moon, Professor of History, Auckland University of Technology Ans Westra, self-portrait, c. 1963. National Library ref AWM-0705-F They try but invariably fail – those writers who believe they are capable of encapsulating in prose or verse the essence of ...
Stewart Sowman-Lund looks at the growing concern around the world in this extract from The Bulletin. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. What’s all this? When Covid-19 arrived on our shores in early 2020, some argued we were too slow, or crucially, ill-prepared for a pandemic. So ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Franco Montalto, Professor of Civil, Architectural and Environmental Engineering and Director, Sustainable Water Resource Engineering Laboratory, Drexel University Water runs into a storm drain in a Los Angeles alley on Aug. 19, 2023, during Tropical Storm Hilary.Citizen of the Planet/Universal Images ...
The inquest into the death of Gore toddler Lachlan Jones has turned up a new witness who says he saw two teenagers and a small child in a high vis vest in the area where the boy’s body was found the day he died. Lachie’s body was discovered face up ...
Stories from the tenancy trenches, featuring spider infestations, cupboard rats and same-sex discrimination. Lucy’s brother was living in a damp 1930s building in Mt Eden where “he had to tie the cupboard doors closed so the rats didn’t get in”. Although he shared custody of his six-year-old son, his property ...
Simeon Brown, Chris Luxon, and Wayne Brown climbed into a hole and announced a plan to solve Auckland’s water woes. This is how it’ll work. New Zealand’s pipes are munted. They’re cracked and leaking, and struggling to handle all the extra poos excreted by our rising population. It’s a big, ...
I knew Taika Waititi quite well when he was a kid. His mother lived in a tall narrow house in Aro St, and my youngest sister had a similar house two doors along. They were both single mums, they each had a son aged seven. Taika and my nephew Stepan ...
Opinion: “As time passes, knowledge of the circumstances of the August 2016 outbreak will fade and its immediate impact will be lost.” This statement is from the 2017 report of the Official Inquiry into the Havelock North campylobacteriosis outbreak. The then National-led government established the inquiry after the outbreak left ...
Opinion: Nicholas Khoo looks at two key points in the high-stakes foreign policy pact debate – and asks if NZ can engage with as little drama as possible. The post Where to next for the Aukus ruckus? appeared first on Newsroom. ...
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/three-waters-nanaia-mahuta-introduces-130-pages-of-changes-to-a-law-hours-after-passing-it/23EV4NZJ4RC37L3HSKOYDNH5FE/
What the hell? Mahuta introduces 130 pages of changes to three waters after it passes.
“There are a significant number of amendments to that prior bill – changing the definition of stormwater which takes all road water networks out of stormwater; significant strengthening around some of the Māori elements along with expectations around the Treaty and the commitments of the CEOs [of the water entities]; the provision for charging for water services; and a significant sway of regulatory or compliance amendments,” Watts said.
Fine-tuning. Clearly a conscientious perfectionist, intent on forging the very best bill possible.
Good on her.
Nanaia Muhuta is an intelligent, hard-working, sincere person, perfectly suited to the role she has been assigned.
‘Fine tuning’? After all the time she’s had to write this legislation? I don’t think so.
I have my doubts that the Minister actually personally drafted the legislation…
Craig H you mustn't give PS insider information like that away.
Ministers do everything in their portfolios. PM does everything as well as driving trucks to restock supermarket shelves in times of shortage such as in the times of lockdown with Covid plus the actual physical shelf stocking. At least she was blamed for shortages at the time. .
Ministers are responsible for ensuring legislation passed through the house does not have '130 pages of amendments' required to a bill that 'just passed'. It's sloppy lawmaking. But heh the entire history of Mahuta's stewardship of 3 Waters has been 'sloppy', at best.
I am sure with your vast experience of working in the PCO's office etc and looking at the passage of bills through the house you will be well placed to comment on the stewardship of the Three Waters Bills through the House: not.
The Herald had to provide balance of some sort despite probably rather not having to by quoting
'A Government spokeswoman said the next bill “adds to the Waters Services Entities Act by setting out the detailed functions and powers of the entities. These amendments are largely technical and administrative in nature.
“The scale of this reform programme is significant and complex. Because of this, it requires separate Bills to deal with different matters.
“At the end of the whole parliamentary process, the legislation will be brought back together to stand up the Water Services Entities to provide drinking water, wastewater and stormwater services to New Zealand by 1 July 2024,” the spokeswoman said.
She said the Government had signalled there would be multiple bills, publicly and to the select committee.'
I think the RMA was divided into several Bills to assist passage through the house, or it was a large environmental bill that went through at the time.
The best and main point is though do we want the best legislation or not? I would be thinking the 'best' and what better time to achieve this than when the Bills are still 'live'.
On the Herald itself and its coverage Bryan Gould comments here
https://bryangould.com/theherald-a-joke/
He concludes:
'With news coverage as biased as this from our leading newspaper, what chance do we have of operating an effective and working democracy?'
I class The Herald as one of the screechers like Mike Hosking.
Back in the day I used to get The Herald and it followed me on subscription to various places in NZ. It used to have a reputation as being a bit behind the eight ball, a little bit old fashioned 'Granny' being the nickname, but has changed to being strident and screechy. I got it as my 'local' to get local news/doings/real estate. At the time I got it on sub no-one really got it for the quality of its political analysis.
It is a pity that in trying to expand its national political coverage it has opted to be less than what is needed as a functioning member of the Fourth Estate.
“The scale of this reform programme is significant and complex. Because of this, it requires separate Bills to deal with different matters."
Except that this latest bill did much more than that. It was "mainly (be) a series of amendments to the second bill.". Why are such amendments due so soon after the original legislation was passed? Why could those 'amendments' not have been included in the original legislation?
The Minister has managed the 3waters program poorly, and this, more than any media coverage, has contributed to the significant public distaste for 3waters.
From a cursory look at the Bill, it would seem that Watts was indeed politicking and grandstanding (aka making up shit), as suspected.
https://legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2022/0210/latest/whole.html#LMS794055
As a member of the responsible Select Committee he was probably also complaining that he’s in over his head because these Bills are hugely complex.
Of course he was politicking. Doesn't change a thing.
"There are a significant number of amendments to that prior bill – changing the definition of stormwater which takes all road water networks out of stormwater; significant strengthening around some of the Māori elements along with expectations around the Treaty and the commitments of the CEOs [of the water entities]; the provision for charging for water services; and a significant sway of regulatory or compliance amendments,” Watts said.
The "detailed functions and powers of the entities" should have been in the original Water Services Entities Act.
A matter of opinion. Amendments are natural part of Bills, just look at how many other amendments are in this new Bill. Three Waters reforms were always going to comprise several Bills. Watts is spinning a narrative rather than doing his job as SC member and MP, which is so typical of Nat MPs: whinge & whine but offer nothing much of substance. I can see the appeal to you because you simply are anti-Three Waters no matter what and your comments are self-serving without substance.
"Amendments are natural part of Bills…"
Interesting. Can you think of a bill that introduced amendments to an Act passed just hours before? Of course there will be plenty of examples in which a Bill was changed days before being passed into law (including a notable example recently by this same Minister). But just hours after?
Actually Td I am not sure that you are onto a point at all.
In my summation of what can happen when bills go through I think the Minister has been blessed with a good department that is following the changes made, worked out if they have implications for clauses passed or to come and they have put forward amendments on the way through. Bear in mind that this was a very complex Bill, quite confusing with amdts/counteramdts and being part of an omnibus set of legislation.
You are buying into the idea that this is
a) unusual
b) worthy of condemnation
from the statement of a new Nat MP (2 years in) who has no prior, ie in terms of previous work, legislative drafting experience, and no in house parliamentary experience in legal drafting.
He may have been on the select committee but does not seem to have kept his eyes open and absorbed what is going on. I would have thought that a member of the select cttee would have been well aware of the Dept'l workload, the huge amount of work put in by PCO & dept'l staff and of the changes that had gone though to make this workload.
(bearing in mind that select cttee members and dept'l staff usually get to be on close terms because of the work they do together.)
I actually think he would have done better to have congratulated the select cttee on the work they had done, commented that it is not done yet and work awaits if he needed to say anything at all.
Saying stuff like this just shows him to be a bit of a 'cock', dick, dork (take your pick, excuse the French). People who know how things work will be saying just that while those who don't know how things work will be saying 'shock, horror did you hear what he said….?'
He is just grandstanding or politicking as Incognito has said.
"and they have put forward amendments on the way through."
A sound legislative process would be one in which said amendments were made to the legislation as that legislation passed through the various stages of the house. Not hours after it passed into law.
Bear in mind that this was a very complex Bill, quite confusing with amdts/counteramdts and being part of an omnibus set of legislation."
Yes and I would argue that places an even greater responsibility on those responsible for the legislation to get it right.
"You are buying into the idea that this is
a) unusual
b) worthy of condemnation"
Assuming by 'this' you mean making changes to a law within hours of it passing:
a) I would expect it is highly unusual, otherwise there would be a pattern of very poor practice. But I will wait for any other examples to be provided.
b) It is certainly worthy of criticism. The entire passage of the 3Waters proposal has been tardy. Just three examples are the infantile advertising that had to be cut short, the deception around the opt out, and the potentially 'constitutionally damaging' attempt to entrench public ownership. I could give plenty more examples, and almost all will fall at the feet of the Minister. This is just the latest example.
TD my response at 3.40pm 25/12/22 was harsh.
I know that this idea of 'sloppiness' is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Hopefully though it has not been formed by the likes of the article that Anker linked to from the Herald. The article mentioned a Nat MP that they had obviously asked to comment on the 'shock, horror' expose about the amendments.
Simon Watts came into parliament in 2020 and therefore has no experince in shepherding legislation through the house from early stages to enactment. If say the Herald has got someone on the Nats side who had experience in legislation of the size and complexity of the Three Waters legislation then perhaps there would have been a point.
But as it is we have commentary breathlessly quoted from the Herald from a person who has had no relevant experience. There is no measure to say if 130 pages is more than usual, less than usual or about average.
As you have always listene to what I have to say even though we mostly would disagree, I can only give you my experiences from the departmental side and the Ministers office advisory side of two pieces of legislation where I did have some sort of experience at the stage where Three Waters is now..
Of course in many Govt depts our whole whole work lives are spent looking at legislation, amendments, writing technical policy etc about the legislation. Mine mostly was.
Anyway back to what happens that could cause 130 pages of amendments
1 the draft legislation would have come itoot parliament via PCO/legal departmental officers often many months before
2 clause are drafted to work within each other and with other parts of the bill.
3 after it has been introduced, referred to select committees, come back into the house, changed at various stages some of these clause don't work within themselves or with each other as well as they had before. This is even with the best legislative brains in the business looking at it. PCO are the best legal drafting brains.
4 the reason for this is usually time pressures.
5 once the legislation goes back to the department then the best subject matter experts will have a look and say well even though it is well drafted it will have ramifications for this section or that section and these will need to have changes made.
6 the worst case scenario is that a section is amended somewhere and that further down the track we find that a whole part of an act cannot actually work.
7 Of course everybody is working like beavers to make sure this doesn't happen, huge long hours are worked both at PCO level and departmental level. With legislation going through it was not unusual for PCO/Minister's offices and departmental legal and subject matter experts to work all day & night with minimal breaks. Having meetings at 11.00pm etc to discuss wording being surprised at one of these meetings to suddenly have the PM appear, concerned about a clause.
8 Suggestions for amendments can come from other MPs with legal drafting experience and from members of the select committees from all sides of the house.
9 This all takes time
10 So it gets enacted, and remembering there was a giant mix-up because of the entrenchment clauses lodged by Eugenie Sage.
11 So something final comes back to the department and subject matter experts look at the final product…….there may be unexpected clashes etc with other parts of bills to come, with existing legislation etc etc.
12 they will bring these to the attention of the Minister. When we did this we usually advised if we could live with the unexpected or not. If not what was the urgency in getting it fixed? Would a fix be controversial?
13 In this case because there are still parts to come and because some are urgent and some are 'well we may as well clarify while we can' they would have all gone up.
14 In our department just days after legislation had been enacted we would be starting a file series to cover amendments to it that may arise in the future. Depending how urgent and the legislative programmes these might get in the following year or in ten years time by which case they would be joined by 50 or so other proposed amendments.
So I don't think you can say that this is sloppy, in fact it is usual
As I have said you have your opinion about Hon Mahuta's handling.
Bearing mind the hugely complex bill, treading new ground I think as a Minister shepherding legislation through she is easily on a par with Minister's who have dealt with similar legislation.
In common parlance I think she 'is across' her portfolio, she would probably be able to give a commentary on some of the minutiae at the drop of a hat.
I know the two Ministers I worked for (Nat/Lab) were able to converse at length on various aspects on legislation they had got through the House. One even gave a speech on it without notes on a complicated piece of legislation from the portfolio!
Sorry for the length and again for being harsh about your opinion.
Hi S. I’ve only just seen this reply, and I really do appreciate the care you’ve taken in your response.
My view on the media is simply that editorial is the place for expressing opinion, and all other reporting should be presenting facts, without fear or favour. But I’m a dinosaur, and I have learned from personal experience that what sells is what gets printed in most cases.
Have a thoroughly good new year.
Well I'm joining you in dinosaur land.
Ha ha imagine how happy we would be with our media printing facts and editorials or guest comments providing the opinion.
Mind you NZ Herald has always been a bit Nat oriented per editorial stance…what seems to have changed is that the articles seem to reflect this and do not present an all sides view.
And to be simple we need all the sides so we can have good opinions, whatever they may be.
Happy New Year to you too TD……looking forward to seeing your opinions as we go forward.
Indeed, that has long been my assessment of her too Robert. She is vastly under-rated but it is to be expected since she is Maori and has a moko. Something else that is underrated is the high level of racism that exists in NZ – not that the offenders ever admit to it.
"Clearly a conscientious perfectionist". That's your best line yet. Pure gold. Passed that on to a few people here and they still haven't stopped laughing!
Why?
Is it funny to some people? What kind of people would these be?
Nat voters
Anti Maori people ie prejudiced people?
People who drive tractors with silly signs on them?
We are waiting in anticipation
The folk you list are more sneerers than laughers, so I'm guessing Jester's crowd are either patients in an institution, or stoned; the sort of people who would laugh at length at a piece of string wriggling.
Goodness what a way with words Robert, love it
None were farmers that I know of. A couple of plumbers, an electrician, a builder, a lawyer, a few retail workers and some uni students. Just average people.
So no anti Maori people and no Nat voters?
Though I prefer to think of these contacts of yours as those who wouwith strange senses of humour.
The people I know laugh at things that are really funny like the jokes in Christmas crackers.
Yes I'm sure there were some Nat voters among them as roughly 37% of people vote Nats?
And ironically, nearly half of them were Maori (or partly). So I don't think they would be anti Maori.
But it's funny how you play the race card saying 'anti Maori people' (just like those that argue Efeso lost to Brown because of his colour, nothing to do with the fact they wanted change or thought Brown would get more done).
That Bill was introduced on 8 Dec and had its First Reading on 13 Dec. Why the whinge about it on pretty much the last day before people go on holiday? Who’s playing political games here?
Note how Granny Herald (organ of the colonial settler regime) reports every political story through a National Party lens. They could have gone to the source and asked Mahuta herself.
Twats
And it has not gone unnoticed by Bryan Gould
https://bryangould.com/theherald-a-joke/
Mayor Brown is boosting staff morale.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/130848666/auckland-council-staff-report-mayor-wayne-brown-over-upsetting-comments-in-the-workplace
They make it sound like the first time he has done a job like this, so needs to be instructed.
Perhaps a reminder of his people skills would suffice?
This may be as good as they get, it seems.
It explains his rather bloated team of minders to keep him out of trouble aka don’t give interviews, dodge questions, and engage with staff in lifts.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/130719437/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-pays-four-staff-250k-a-year–as-did-his-predecessor
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-earmarks-415k-to-matthew-hooton-and-key-advisors-after-pledge-to-slash-council-salaries/B6AO72ETCVCKNKVVHK75GLBKLY/
Enjoy watching this on your cell phone or Ipad.
Tsk tsk tsk, electric car are the greenest thing for environmentally minded personz and peoplez in the parts of the world were we refuse to mine or drill because mining and drilling destroys the the environment and pollution is for poor countries, not us civilized western first world countries.. Now tell the anxious consuming masses that they should buy another battery driven gadget, replace that barely one year old communication device, get that government money for that E-car, and feel 100% green and clean and it keeps the economy going and it brings in GST and sales taxes. Woot Woot. Feel good. Feel Green. Feel Clean in your 50+ Grand vehicle. After all, what else is to life then spending money on shit no one actually needs.
Hear, hear.
Hard to find a more nauseating sight than 400 or so stupid yanks in a room all clapping like seals but there it was ….again !! just like the 'Juan Guido ' episode with Donald Trump presiding where exactly the same wierd scenes played out .
Those 400 yanks from 'both sides of the isle ' who ordinarily cant agree on anything !! yet have no trouble voting for endless war .This year its apparently more than a trillion dollars for its military not including what its spending in Ukraine .
Funniest moment is where one of the senators declares "
they're gonna track down an find out who wasnt clapping "!!!You couldnt make it up !!Ikiest moment is where zelensky kisses Nancy !! eeewww !!
Tucker nails it
Hard to find a more nauseating sight than a clip of Tucker Carlson 🤮
I couldnt watch him every night but like i said he nails it here and for MSM he quite often does imo
[Please, fix your user name – Incognito]
Mod note
Done
True ‘dat Roblogic and so consistently wrong as well.
You may as well just go baaaa baa baaa shanreagh
lol, says the Fox News viewer
Perhaps if u had half a clue of the actual subject roblogic and an appreciation of what was actually available to inform you on MSM you'd think differently but i see youre content just to go with the mob ie Zelensky is "churchilian "the Ukrainians are winning and if you dont clap its the end of the world as we know it etc etc etc …whateva ..the world will spin for a few more revolutions yet hopefully
War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine – Wikipedia
Russia accused of war crimes cover-up by razing Ukraine theatre
etc., etc.
Your reply is completely out of context to my original comment roblogic it was specifically about a room full of supposedly intelligent and very important people in AMERICA who were clapping " like seals" in other words because everybody else was clapping .The thing looked like a movie because thats exactly what it was the movie directors were 'setting the scene ' they were selling a war !
Tucker Carlson just exposed a few parts of the action afaik the only news anchor in MSM to do so and i take my hat off to him for doing so .
incidentally i could find you a hundred links detailing Ukrainian transgressions of human rights but i suggest you find them yourself war is hell on both sides of the conflict .
You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers
Not believing facts etc
Yeah i noticed that back when the story first came out , its a weird scene to be sure its America !! But just because Tucker appears to fuck up in this case does'nt negate his input to news for all time it just reemphasizes what we have always known ie caveat emptor .
Easy.
The nauseatingly sinister sight of a white nationalist proclaiming a prominent Jewish politician as having "declared war against Christianity"
A close second is you and your ilk lapping up Carlson's blood libel.
Why dont you just accuse Tucker of being " anti semetic ' joe ? or is that phrase a bit too jaded ,even for you ?
Tucker Carlson has some historic parallels with Charles Lindbergh, another very high profile figure in American history.
Lindbergh was the figurehead of American isolationism in the early 1940's:
And if you follow Peter Zeihan, you will have heard his detailed argument that this same isolationist spirit has been gradually re-asserting itself in the US since the end of the Cold War. Obviously events like Iraq and Afghanistan ran counter to this narrative, but the undercurrent has been growing steadily. It perhaps had it's most recent and visible manifestation, in Biden's precipitous and disastrously handled withdrawal from Afghanistan, and quite likely played into Poots equally disastrous miscalculation that NATO would not care too much about Ukraine.
Carlson is giving modern voice to this very American sentiment – why should they pay in blood and treasure for wars being fought on the other side of the planet? But then reality came to visit:
Both Lindbergh and Carlson are best understood in the light of this very old pattern of American thinking, born of their fight for independence from colonial empires, and fostered by a geography that literally isolates them by two oceans and grants them the option to decouple economically from much of the rest of the world if they so needed to.
But events always prove the basis of this thinking to be wrong – deluded at worst. Lindbergh to his credit changed his mind; it remains to be seen what Carlson's future holds.
There is another aspect, Tucker Carlson is in synch with the notion of a white race religion, heritage and cultural order, one that he sees Putin as part of. Even to the point of dismissing any priority to a collective defence of democratic nations. Which is only a few steps away from acceptance of doing bad things to secure domestic political victory for the GOP.
Japan attacking US homeland (50 state) territory crossed even the isolationists redline (and Hitler declared war on the USA afterwards), and of course they were in full support of a containment of Soviet communism, in defence of private ownership etc.
Well yes. Carlson is a social conservative as is much of Russian society. But it is possible to be anti-woke and yet anti-imperialist at the same time and this war is going to leave him exposed on the wrong side of history.
I think this is because Carlson represents an essentially backward looking conservatism; that lacking a positive vision for the future, clings instead to a selectively rosy view of the past. He is far from alone in this.
" the wrong side of history "
You reckon ? Imo the exact opposite is true , like a good deal of the information coming out of this war , casualty figures for example the line about a lie going right around the world before the truth has got its boots on has never been more apt .
Jeepers seems like not a very good fit comparing Lindbergh and Carlson red i mean Carlson just comes across to me as a salesman he's just selling fox news to the world and undoubtedly making huge money in the process i dunno how much he makes but i remember hearing that that lunatic Maddow was making 30mil annually for the four years she peddled the Russiagate hoax .
To me Tucker Carlson steps away from the 'official narrative ' just long enough for me to notice additionally he interviews people the rest of MSM considers persona non grata . I think thats a good thing .