Daily review 26/08/2021

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1. Incognito 1

   26 August 2021 at 5:59 pm

   When people don’t understand the information they’re accessing it is a sure recipe for drawing wrong conclusions and spreading misinformation, or worse.

   A though-provoking article: https://sciblogs.co.nz/covid-19/2021/08/26/unverified-reports-of-vaccine-side-effects-in-vaers-arent-the-smoking-guns-portrayed-by-right-wing-media-outlets-they-can-offer-insight-into-vaccine-hesitancy/ [from the Feeds on The Standard’s landing/main page]
   • Fran 1.1

     26 August 2021 at 10:14 pm

     Well I guess this is why it was announced today that 10 percent of those vaccinated will be contacted with a survey about their reactions.

     Medsafe, CDC, and the EU are issuing warnings about heart issues and the EU are investigating endocrine issues associated with the Pfizer vaccine. Let's see what is found rather than extrapolating nonsense from nonsense.
     • Incognito 1.1.1

       26 August 2021 at 11:42 pm

       It seems that you might be one of those people who jump to wrong conclusions when presented with data & information about the Pfizer vaccine that they don't understand. I trust you won’t participate in the survey for the most obvious reason.
       • Fran 1.1.1.1

         27 August 2021 at 7:32 am

         Your reply highlights one of the major issues with this. We don't have good data yet. Most countries, ours included, have voluntary reporting systems for drug reactions which are badly under utilised. A comprehensive look at Vaers about 15 years ago by Harvard University researchers found that reporting ran at around 1 percent of actual events. This is why it is good to see the MOH doing something to get an accurate picture of reactions. Then we will know. People's reckons, on either side, are just that until we have good data.
         • Incognito 1.1.1.1.1

           27 August 2021 at 9:43 pm

           Then we will know. People’s reckons, on either side, are just that until we have good data.

           The irony is lost on you and you’re talking out of your arse. Your brain farts are like cow flaps, formless and fragrant.

           Perhaps you could back up your reckons with some relevant stuff that relates to NZ in 2021?

           Are you fully vaccinated yet? I doubt it.
           • Fran 1.1.1.1.1.1

             27 August 2021 at 10:52 pm

             You are very rude and are not actually addressing the subject. Your replies smack of MaCarthyism, anyone questioning the line must be derided and obliterated. I assume this is a fear reaction which has suspended critical thought. You say play the ball not the man but all your replies are personal attacks. There is not much point in this blog if moderators are the worst behaved.

             Very disappointed.
             • Incognito …

               27 August 2021 at 11:03 pm

               In other words, you have nothing and blame that on my ‘rudeness’, how convenient. You do know that ignorance and critical thought are strange bedfellows, don’t you?

               If you decide to comment here again, hopefully you can tell us more about the reporting of adverse events in NZ and that survey, yes? I look forward to it, but I don’t expect much from you, so I won’t be very disappointed if you live up to expectation.

               BTW, what is that “line” you’re referring to? I’d love to hear about it, it sure sounds interesting.

               How did you react to your vaccination shots, if I may ask? Sore arm, I guess.
               • Fran …

                 27 August 2021 at 11:25 pm

                 So you are incapable of looking up CARM or listening to the briefing or reading the stuff article which outlines all this. Again talk to the subject which you introduced. VEARS reporting is, according to the article you posted, unreliable. This is why it is good that our health authorities are making an effort to gather good data on this.

                 This is particularly important for women as there are a lot of anecdotal reports of bleeding events post vaccine. We need to know if this is rare or common, there may be some serious implications for fertility in young women. Right now we don't know. It is good we are going to find out.
                 • Incognito …

                   28 August 2021 at 12:03 am

                   Hang on, what are you talking about? I asked you to gives us something here, but all you give is hollow words that mean very little without some back-up. Why would I have to do to your homework? Let’s see what you have to offer us on CARM and the survey, which you think is so good and necessary, apparently. We don’t know what we don’t know, but you seem to know!? Jumping to conclusions, before the survey even started? That’s what I’d call bias and prejudice and a whole lot of reckons.

                   BTW, it is VAERS, not VEARS, and you clearly have misunderstood the article I linked to @ 1. I thought as much, but you’re making it abundantly clear here and now. I like clarity.
       • mauī 1.1.1.2

         27 August 2021 at 10:23 am

         Ah, so we need 2 political scientists to tell us how to draw the right conclusions on data pertaining to personal medical reactions.. I'm guessing..?

         I would also want to have a look at what other political articles these 2 have authored say over the last year. You never know.. it could be enlightening.
         • Incognito 1.1.1.2.1

           27 August 2021 at 2:36 pm

           Ah, so we need 2 political scientists to tell us how to draw the right conclusions on data pertaining to personal medical reactions..

           I wonder from which orifice you plucked this gem this time; you seem to have more than a Swiss cheese.

           I’m guessing..?

           Let us know when you have figured whether you’re guessing or not.

           You never know.. it could be enlightening.

           That’s deep, very deep, and you must have dug deep to unearth this luminous insight. Did you realise straight away or did it take a little while before the penny dropped and the light went on?

           Never mind, it is so much easier to shoot the messenger than to play the ball, which makes sense for someone with your reading comprehension.
2. roblogic 2

   26 August 2021 at 8:40 pm

   Labour wants to waste its mandate on identity politics instead of doing the hard yards. OK they did one good thing, but apart from that they are useless status quo neoliberals.

   https://twitter.com/miromiro_pw/status/1420575310500667395?s=20

   https://twitter.com/antihobbes/status/1422642301600374786?s=20
   • vto 2.1

     27 August 2021 at 7:41 am

     Yep. That helps to illustrate, again, that the current housing 'crisis' is all about demand from investors.

     It aint about supply, that is a total crock.
     • weka 2.1.1

       27 August 2021 at 8:22 am

       Yep. And increasing supply without detaching that from the investor class will perpetuate the crisis, especially for the underclass as Labour has no plan for raising their income to liveable.
       • vto 2.1.1.1

         27 August 2021 at 9:09 am

         It would be very interesting to slice out 90%, or some high %age, of the investor demand, so that pretty much the only demand for housing is from people who actually need a house.

         Woe betide those investors, who would see values fall, but fantastic news for people who actually use their house to live in, as less of their hard-earned weekly pay has to go into paying for deadweight capital and its interest cost and more is able to be diverted to true life requirements.

         Imagine the boost to the economy (many wont be able to do this…)
         • roblogic 2.1.1.1.1

           27 August 2021 at 9:19 am

           Stop speculation by upping the CGT/bright line to 95%.

           Kill the profit motive by setting rent limits *below* the mortgage instalments

           And of course Renter's Rights! NZ regs are skewed so badly against renters that immigrants can't believe how kiwis put up with such abuse.
   • Ed1 2.2

     27 August 2021 at 9:19 am

     The introduction of the "bright line" test didn't seem to be particularly difficult – would it be possible to extend that to deem the burden of proof as to whether a property was purchased for profit to be with the owner in relation to a rental property – and there could easily be blatantly generous exemptions to cover a person that only owns two properties, and also allow for tax to be deferred until sale . . .
     • solkta 2.2.1

       27 August 2021 at 9:30 am

       You can't have a burden of proof as to what somebodies thoughts were when they did something.

       This tax only happens when property is sold.
       • roblogic 2.2.1.1

         27 August 2021 at 10:48 am

         Hence the need for property tax, per TOP (and normal practice in the OECD)
         • The Al1en 2.2.1.1.1

           27 August 2021 at 10:56 am

           Nope, not that sad thing from op shop, taxing single home owners who already pay rates and mortgages won't stop rentiers and investors.

           Much simpler is a capital gains tax, including the family home, to be paid at the income tax rate of the seller at the time of sale, and a 60% rate for portfolio property.
           • Ed1 2.2.1.1.1.1

             27 August 2021 at 11:45 am

             I am not a tax expert, but my understanding is that capital gains tax does not apply if a property was not purchased for investment gains, and that is how the Bright Line test operates, by changing the presumption as to intent from the IRD having to prove intent to the owner having to prove that gains were not a purpose of the purchase. We do have tax on capital gains – I understand that if you own a small amount of shares you will not pay tax on capital gains, but put the same amount into shares in a Kiwisaver fund that is professionally managed, those same gains will be taxed. People think we do not have a capital gains tax – we do, but there are large and confusing exemptions ; should we be surprised? It would be good to get a comment from a tax expert . . .

             I do not have a problem with not taxing capital gains on a single family home, but there are even there complications (eg list MPs living in Wellington and renting the family home temporarily) – and only taxing the amount over inflation as is often suggested is inconsistent with taxing other income in full.
             • The Al1en …

               27 August 2021 at 12:15 pm

               As you say, too much interpretation of how new rules would work under bright line, so do away with it and replace with a proper cgt.

               Takes away all arguments about why people buy etc, after all, a capital gain is a capital gain. Just tax multiple property owners more compared to the family home, and disincentivise speculation.
3. Pete 3

   26 August 2021 at 9:23 pm

   I like it when I see things like "For the last 40 years…"

   So how far have we come? Well it was Ruth Richardson 30 years ago. How did her master plan go?

   The other thing is how we mark the passing of those years. The commentators who are telling us what's wrong (everything) and what should be done are the likes of … drum roll … Richard fucking Prebble, Rodney Perks Hide and Steven Bloody Joyce.
   • Bearded Git 3.1

     27 August 2021 at 7:05 am

     …and Stephen Bloody Franks…..claiming that the Maoris are going to be in control of water throughout NZ if the governments water reforms happen on The Panel (RNZ) last night.

     Complete bollocks of course.
4. Anker 4

   26 August 2021 at 10:35 pm

   • That’s a great visual.

   Thanks

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