Daily review 28/02/2022

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1. Treetop 1

   28 February 2022 at 5:57 pm

   I reckon Boris Johnson is stoked that he is no longer a member of the EU.
2. weka 2

   28 February 2022 at 5:58 pm

   https://twitter.com/DrAnnaNZ/status/1498011104467091456
   • joe90 2.1

     28 February 2022 at 7:17 pm

     Overachieving, triathlete tiger mum friend drove her youngest and kit down to move into halls for their first year at Otago. While she was there she splashed out and the pair of them had a great time with the 3rd year eldest and flat-mates. On the long trip home mum starts feeling a little tapped out and nek minit, the eldest is sick, and then the youngest, and a week and a bit later my overachieving, triathlete friend is very sick and the speed she's deteriorated at is frightening.
     • Treetop 2.1.1

       28 February 2022 at 7:25 pm

       Knowing when to seek medical help is important.
3. Muttonbird 3

   28 February 2022 at 7:19 pm

   We know a few families with it. I'll just say that these families have the the types of kids who don't always watch what they are doing.

   My theory is that cautious, less extroverted people have a natural behavioural defence to pandemic viruses.
4. Muttonbird 4

   28 February 2022 at 7:25 pm

   Crisis averted:

   The Labour Party has announced it is endorsing Efeso Collins' independent campaign for the mayoralty of Auckland.

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/462465/labour-endorses-efeso-collins-for-auckland-mayoralty

   Former National Party pollster, David Farrar, was lining the one up as a sign the political left was infighting and in disarray.

   Better luck next time.

   Of course it’s not a done deal for Collins because the people who mostly vote local body in Auckland are from Remuera and as such are afraid of brown people.

   I’m sure the Labour Party’s legendary ground campaign will level the field somewhat.
   • Patricia Bremner 4.1

     28 February 2022 at 7:59 pm

     Very pleased.
     • Dennis Frank 4.1.1

       28 February 2022 at 8:19 pm

       Me too. Dunno why they (apparently) felt it was like swallowing a dead rat though. Every time I've seen him on tv discussing something he's been spot-on, never disagreed with anything I heard from him. Would make an excellent mayor I reckon. Funny how the right have struggled to find a competitive candidate.
       • Patricia Bremner 4.1.1.1

         28 February 2022 at 9:36 pm

         Like the Greens they have their processes.
       • Muttonbird 4.1.1.2

         1 March 2022 at 6:00 am

         You too have bought into the narrative invented to destabilise Collins' campaign by Farrar and 1ZB.
   • alwyn 4.2

     28 February 2022 at 8:37 pm

     It sounds just like every other time that someone stands up to our current Government.

     Bluster, bluster, threaten, threaten the people involved and then when they go ahead and do it anyway the Government, or in this case the Labour Party, folds up like the wimps they are.

     It's illegal to ride your bikes across the Harbour Bridge. It's illegal to walk across the Harbour Bridge. Then when the protesters do it anyway the police decide to give them an escort to protect them and nobody gets arrested.

     Or they decide, since Collins has said he will run anyway that the Labour Party had better let him run as their candidate rather than come up with the official candidate they might prefer.
     • roblogic 4.2.1

       1 March 2022 at 3:31 am

       So that's the new angle huh? The old one (put about by Soper and HDPA) about an internal battle within Labour over the mayoral candidate has proven to be a load of bollocks
   • higherstandard 4.3

     28 February 2022 at 9:24 pm

     "Of course it’s not a done deal for Collins because the people who mostly vote local body in Auckland are from Remuera and as such are afraid of brown people.

     have you got any evidence for that or is it more shite you've pulled out of your backside ?
     • Muttonbird 4.3.1

       1 March 2022 at 5:53 am

       They vote for David Seymour.
       • higherstandard 4.3.1.1

         1 March 2022 at 8:17 am

         Thanks for confirming the 'more shite you've pulled out of your backside' hypothesis.
         • Muttonbird 4.3.1.1.1

           1 March 2022 at 8:19 am

           And John Banks before that. And Rodney Hide before that.

           See the pattern?

           Remember, John Banks worried about ‘people from South Auckland’ climbing through the windows, and was recently fired from his radio slot for outright racism.

           Seymour ridiculed and undermined vaccine promotion for Maori because he’s terrified they might be getting special treatment.

           These guys and the people they represent are scared of brown people, there’s no doubt about it.
   • JanM 4.4

     28 February 2022 at 9:45 pm

     South Auckland will come out in droves to support him
   • mary_a 4.5

     1 March 2022 at 2:43 pm

     Go Efeso Collins, the next mayor of Auckland City
5. Robert Guyton 5

   28 February 2022 at 7:37 pm

   "Humble your self, before the Mighty Eftposle!!"

   "Tamaki was asked to be lead negotiator because he had enough respect across the majority of the "freedom" community to bring about an “effective and peaceful resolution”, the statement said.

   “What could it really hurt for politicians and police to humble themselves for an hour or two, and listen to Brian Tamaki-led negotiations with the protesters?"

   Where do I start???

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/127903955/first-plumbedin-toilets-now-prefab-shower-block-appears-at-occupation-site
   • Muttonbird 5.1

     28 February 2022 at 7:50 pm

     He's fresh out of prison, and supporters of the Parties of Law and Order are clamouring for him to be their representative!

     Strange times we live in.
     • alwyn 5.1.1

       28 February 2022 at 8:39 pm

       I'll bet you would have refused to have had anything to do with Martin Luther King Jnr. How many times was it he went to prison? He must have been scum, I suppose would have been your view?
       • Tony Veitch (not etc.) 5.1.1.1

         28 February 2022 at 9:03 pm

         Desperate much – to compare Eftpostle Brian with Martin Luther King!
         • alwyn 5.1.1.1.1

           28 February 2022 at 9:10 pm

           Would you prefer that I compare him with former New Zealand Prime Minister and Labour Party leader Peter Fraser?

           He did a year in jail in his pre-PM days.
           • Muttonbird 5.1.1.1.1.1

             1 March 2022 at 6:05 am

             Pretty sure Tamaki's only motive is personal financial gain. The other two not so much.

             Tamaki is unable to run his scam when only 25 people are allowed in his church at any one time. That's the only reason he is anti-mandate.
       • Patricia Bremner 5.1.1.2

         28 February 2022 at 9:38 pm

         That's a stretch!!
       • Coreyhumm 5.1.1.3

         1 March 2022 at 12:00 am

         Comparing Brian Tamaki to Martin Luther King. Golly.

         Martin Luther King was a Christian minister who fought for racial,social and economic justice for all. He used his belief to lift everyone up and was one of the greatest orators and political activist of all time.

         Brian Tamaki is a self appointed televangelist bishop who cons poor people out of their money blames minorities for natural disasters and uses his church to spread homophobia, misinformation and hatred. He's opposed every social, economic justice reform since I've been alive. He's a bog standard wallet thief who set fire to himself while burning rubbish.

         To compare the two … Nonsense… Utter nonsense…

         Tamaki is near universally hated regardless of peoples ideology. MLK is near universally loved regardless of ideology.
         • alwyn 5.1.1.3.1

           1 March 2022 at 9:27 am

           That's fine. However the only reason Muttonbird came up with opposing Tamaki being the spokesman for the anti-mandate group was that he had been in prison. That is why I suggested someone else who met that single criteria.

           "He's fresh out of prison, and supporters of the Parties of Law and Order are clamouring for him to be their representative!".

           By the way, don't you think that the statement "Tamaki is near universally hated regardless of peoples ideology" might be just a bit over the top? I don't know anyone who actually "hates" Tamaki. I don't know anyone who "likes" him either. In my experience most people don't care about him, even if they know who he is.
         • mary_a 5.1.1.3.2

           1 March 2022 at 3:01 pm

           Well said Coryhumm (5.1.1.3) … Also let's not forget the USA celebrates Martin Luther King Day (April 4 each year) … I stand to be corrected on the actual date, but I know his life, humanity and service to mankind is celebrated.

           Can't imagine celebrating Brian Tamaki Day somehow!
   • Nic the NZer 5.2

     28 February 2022 at 9:14 pm

     Just how is the Eftpostle to complete his first miracle with doubters like yourself about.
     • Patricia Bremner 5.2.1

       28 February 2022 at 9:39 pm

       Oh I needed thatlaugh of the day!!
     • alwyn 5.2.2

       1 March 2022 at 9:32 am

       I would say he had completed his first miracle, assuming he had anything to do with it. Remember the story of the loaves and the fishes? Jesus is supposed to have fed 5,000 people with 5 loaves and 2 fishes?

       Well we now have gone from people washing in a bucket of water to having a string of showers available. Doesn't that count as a modern day miracle?
       • Nic the NZer 5.2.2.1

         1 March 2022 at 9:46 am

         Unfortunately your 'Profiteering' came to naught, the shower block was removed over-night, and as a result nobody was bathed, let alone bathed by the Eftpostle's hand. Any miracle is yet to come (not that glamping is particularly miraculous these days).
         • alwyn 5.2.2.1.1

           1 March 2022 at 12:01 pm

           Miserable bloody lot in the Police Force aren't they?

           Perhaps Brian will switch to washing his followers feet then if the full body treatment isn't available.

           Or is that the province of the Pope?
6. Belladonna 6

   28 February 2022 at 7:53 pm

   Government finally on board with no longer requiring fully vaccinated Kiwis, with a negative pre-departure test (i.e. all of them), returning home to self-isolate.

   Fully vaccinated, Covid-free travellers can enter New Zealand from Australia – without needing to self-isolate – from Thursday and Kiwis from anywhere in the world will be able to come home from midnight Friday, says Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.

   https://feedly.com/i/subscription/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fsyndication.apn.co.nz%2Frss%2Fnzhrsscid_000000001.xml

   NB: I can't tell from the article which words are Hipkins and which are Arderns – but they seem to be singing from the same hymnsheet – so it doesn't much matter.

   All those people telling me two days ago, that this was a stupid, highly-risky idea – still think it's stupid?
   • Muttonbird 6.1

     28 February 2022 at 7:56 pm

     It's worth remembering that all current Covid cases came from an overseas source.

     A whole lot more source points now.
     • Belladonna 6.1.1

       28 February 2022 at 8:59 pm

       Possibly. However, there's been significant suspicion that many cases in MIQ are the result of Covid being spread internally – so most people would be more at risk there, than at home.

       So, very, very few additional source points – and completely swamped in the tsunami of home-grown Covid transmission.
       • Patricia Bremner 6.1.1.1

         28 February 2022 at 9:40 pm

         Proof?
         • Belladonna 6.1.1.1.1

           1 March 2022 at 8:05 am

           Proof of what?

           If you mean spread within MIQ – it’s been well documented.
           https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/459020/research-finds-airborne-transmission-likely-cause-of-miq-covid-19-spread

           ‘Suspicion’ means that we don’t have hard evidence. This is informed by the multiple instances where people have tested negative for Omicron initially, and only tested positive towards the end of their MIQ stay (note with the shorter infection window of Omicron – cases contracted in transit would show in the middle of the quarantine – and these are appearing towards the end)

           And, no one has any evidence of the possible number of future source points – it’s all entirely speculative.
       • Muttonbird 6.1.1.2

         1 March 2022 at 8:12 am

         Well, all Covid cases came from an overseas source, that is a fact, not just a possibility.

         Yeah, it spreads in MIQ because more cases arrive from overseas on the daily Covid carriers.

         Home iso might be safer in an ideal world, but will they stay put? Nope, because people arriving from overseas don't care about out Covid response.
         • Belladonna 6.1.1.2.1

           1 March 2022 at 8:23 am

           It spreads in MIQ – because hotels with shared accessways and air conditioning are pretty close to an ideal residential spreading environment. I'd say, only bettered by households – but MIQ has that covered too – your whole household is shut into a single room with you.

           The extraordinary efforts that the government have gone to with MIQ (rostered times to open doors, restrictions on deliveries, etc.) are largely to overcome the inherent unsuitability of the base venue.

           Proportionally, people arriving from overseas are likely to care about the Covid response in the same degree as people already here. I don't see a lot of caring about Covid going on at the Wellington protest, do you?
           Some overseas arrivals will be responsible, some won't. Just as some Kiwis who've never left the country will be responsible, and some won't.

           At the moment that vast majority of new Covid cases in NZ, have been contracted locally, not overseas (or even directly from someone who contracted it overseas)

           The additional 'risk' that possible new Covid cases will add to the current situation in NZ, is indeed, miniscule.

           Do you think Ardern is wrong to open up quarantine – albeit with limitations?
           • Muttonbird 6.1.1.2.1.1

             1 March 2022 at 8:31 am

             You want to frame the whole of New Zealand with the actions of a few deranged idiots on the lawns of Parliament?

             You can say with some certainty that NZ's Covid response points to Kiwis being more compliant that people living in other nations where they seem not to give a shit.

             Australia is one such place, and when we import people from those countries we also import their shrugging ambivalence.
             • Belladonna …

               1 March 2022 at 8:43 am

               So, Do you think Ardern is wrong?
             • Belladonna …

               1 March 2022 at 8:56 am

               "You want to frame the whole of New Zealand with the actions of a few deranged idiots on the lawns of Parliament?"

               No, I don't. There is a spectrum of behaviour in NZ – this is at one end. At the other are the people who are effectively living like hermits (though dependent on the great unwashed to provide the food in their contactless supermarket deliveries), and demand that visitors sign in with a covid tracing app and produce proof of vaccination. In the middle are the great majority of NZers, who follow a more or less relaxed approach to Covid recommendations (choosing to tag into shops, or not; choosing to mask in the street, or not; choosing to visit friends, or not). Returning Kiwis will fall into this same spectrum.
           • Muttonbird 6.1.1.2.1.2

             1 March 2022 at 8:36 am

             

             Look at this silly twat just arrived from Australia. Maaaaate, where's your mask?

             https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/127912033/home-at-last-the-first-christchurchbound-non-miq-flight-from-australia-touches-down
             • Belladonna …

               1 March 2022 at 8:52 am

               Is your problem that he's removed his mask to hug (I assume) a family member?

               Masking isn't required in the airport terminal

               You must wear a face mask when you're travelling on a domestic flight anywhere in New Zealand — this does not include private flights. We ask all guests to wear masks in the terminal.

               https://www.aucklandairport.co.nz/information/novel-coronavirus-frequently-asked-questions

               Risk of Covid transmission in the airport terminal would be comparable to risk inside a large shopping mall (i.e. pretty minimal for those there briefly).

               The person is presumably going home to live with these people – I think you can assume that hugging is going to happen. The risk is probably greater that the NZ-based family will give the overseas arrival Omicron.
   • Poission 6.2

     28 February 2022 at 8:07 pm

     Whats her name got caught out on the reporters question of what defines a fully vaccinated person,ie 2 or 3 shots.

     bit of width in the hand waving ,and said it is under consideration,Maybe a bit of science rather then wanting to get her airpoints up would be a better consideration.
     • Muttonbird 6.2.1

       28 February 2022 at 8:12 pm

       What are you talking about? Make some sense, please.
       • Poission 6.2.1.1

         28 February 2022 at 8:32 pm

         4:25pm – Ardern says travellers who aren't fully vaccinated will still have to go into isolation.

         Whether fully vaccinated means two or three doses, Ardern says she is still considering this.

         https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/02/live-updates-latest-on-parliament-protest-covid-19-community-outbreak-monday-february-28.html
         • observer 6.2.1.1.1

           28 February 2022 at 8:42 pm

           If you watched the post-Cab press conference with Skegg what the PM said was perfectly clear.

           Don't worry. "A bit of science" was evident, even if you didn't get it, the professor did.

           But then you think it's about the PM's air miles, apparently.

           https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/462454/jacinda-ardern-provides-post-cabinet-briefing-on-easing-of-border-restrictions
           • Poission 6.2.1.1.1.1

             28 February 2022 at 8:54 pm

             Yeah Skeggs said 3 was not an optional extra with extra fries,Adern could not define fully vaccinated.Another half baked policy from the Kitchen cabinet.
             • Muttonbird …

               1 March 2022 at 8:14 am

               Bless. You finally managed to say her name, even if the spelling is off.
         • alwyn 6.2.1.1.2

           28 February 2022 at 8:43 pm

           Oh dear, did she have a Gareth Hughes moment?

           Hey Clint! What is our policy? Two or three?
           • observer 6.2.1.1.2.1

             28 February 2022 at 8:47 pm

             No.

             Yet again, a reminder that it is not a good idea to rely on a slanted description of something when we can all go to the original source. See link above.
         • Belladonna 6.2.1.1.3

           28 February 2022 at 8:55 pm

           Travellers who aren't fully vaccinated will still have to go into isolation.

           Some numbers would be helpful here. All the reporting to date has suggested that the overwhelming majority of people in MIQ are fully vaccinated.

           And, certainly AirNZ requires you to be fully vaccinated in order to board an international flight.
           https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/covid19-international-travel

           I'd pick that Ardern's unlikely to require a booster dose – simply because of the resulting media storm (her perceived flip flopping on quarantine requirements has gone down very badly with many people).
           • Poission 6.2.1.1.3.1

             28 February 2022 at 9:07 pm

             Yeah it was too hard to ascertain if people had a booster ( point of departure) the passports(vaccine) from a number of countries do not show full status,and she did not want all these hard question raining on her parade.

             All the reporting to date has suggested that the overwhelming majority of people in MIQ are fully vaccinated.

             Seems a large number are exempt.

             https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/8180607/?utm_source=showcase&utm_campaign=visualisation/8180607
             • Belladonna …

               28 February 2022 at 9:14 pm

               Well, presumably they'll be sitting in quarantine then.

               Though some of them will have been children under 5 (not possible to be vaccinated).

               It would be helpful if the graph gave some definitions of the categories….

               Just found the ‘you are not required’ data – and one of the categories is a refugee from Afghanistan – which might explain the bump in numbers.
               Also people from some PI countries (though would think this list is rapidly shrinking)

               https://covid19.govt.nz/international-travel/travel-to-new-zealand/vaccination-requirements-for-travel-to-new-zealand/

               As I said, Kiwis may not be required to be vaccinated to enter the country; but, given that most international airlines require vaccination to fly, it’s pretty irrelevant – unless they’re sailing here.
               • Poission …

                 28 February 2022 at 9:16 pm

                 Yeah I suspect a number are children,the others may know a graphic designer.
         • Ed1 6.2.1.1.4

           28 February 2022 at 9:16 pm

           Fully vaccinated means having had as many as they are eligible for, with a few days leeway of course, and allowance for there they may have been. It may also be affected by whatever documentation Australia provides; and many New Zealanders have not updated their vaccine certificate after having the booster . . .

           So what erudite and accurate answer would you have expected, or given if asked in "Whats her name"s (I'm guessing Ardern from your response) place, Poission?
           • Belladonna 6.2.1.1.4.1

             28 February 2022 at 9:30 pm

             But "fully vaccinated" inside NZ, currently means double dose vaxed.
             None of the mandates have specified that this has to change to being boosted as well.
           • Poission 6.2.1.1.4.2

             28 February 2022 at 9:32 pm

             Fully vaccinated means having had as many as they are eligible for, with a few days leeway of course, and allowance for there they may have been. It may also be affected by whatever documentation Australia provides

             No you are GUESSING,if you read the Australian requirements there is a specific standard ie.

             You are considered to be fully vaccinated for the purposes of international travel to or from Australia if you have completed a primary course of a vaccine approved or recognised by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA). This includes mixed doses. Current approved or recognised vaccines and dosages accepted for travel are:

             • Two doses at least 14 days apart of:…..

             https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/vaccinated-travellers

             Boosters do not to be seem part of the vaccination certificate,and there are some very good scientific reasons why they should be.
     • Patricia Bremner 6.2.2

       28 February 2022 at 9:45 pm

       "What's her name?" Yes Poison…you are well named.
       • Poission 6.2.2.1

         28 February 2022 at 9:51 pm

         Bremner ah,Saxon name,The hillbillies of Germany.
7. Patricia Bremner 7

   28 February 2022 at 8:01 pm

   Welcome home, but be aware covid (Omicron) is rife.
   • Belladonna 7.1

     28 February 2022 at 9:04 pm

     To be fair, almost everyone is used to that. They've been through the mill.
8. observer 8

   28 February 2022 at 8:57 pm

   Kind of amusing that opposition parties and their cheerleaders are today warmly welcoming the news of people coming/returning to NZ under a strict vaccine mandate.
   • roblogic 8.1

     1 March 2022 at 3:43 am

     They are being realistic – when most Kiwis are fully vaxxed it's political idiocy to join the anti-mandate loony fringe.
9. Joe90 9

   28 February 2022 at 9:19 pm

   Clouseau's on the job.

   https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1497975596294361089

   
10. roblogic 10

    1 March 2022 at 3:40 am

    Bomber's blog is offline! The commenters there were unhinged and Bomber's support "in principle" of the anti-mandate protest was weird, but I hope it comes back soon.
    • Peter 10.1

      1 March 2022 at 7:19 am

      It'll be the irreverence there has been recognised and Tamaki's god has smitten it.
    • Nic the NZer 10.2

      1 March 2022 at 10:06 am

      Claiming Bomber supports the protest is a bit one eyed, You also need to look at the other articles where he is saying the protest is unhinged. He's just playing both sides until one gets dropped eventually.

      He quietly dumped the towies express solidarity lines, when it turned out they mostly don't, and the one who did was a fiscally conservative ex-councilor from Whanganui.

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