Daily Review 31/05/2018

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1. NZJester 1

   31 May 2018 at 6:06 pm

   Are some in the US with the help from their neighbor trying to make a case to kick NZ out of the Five Eyes system?
   Is this the revenge for NZ not towing the US line?
   As for Chinese influence, it was the National party that was getting a lot of Chinese money and even a member of their party is known to have trained Chinese Spies. There has been also been some suspicions they might be still under the employment of the Chinese government.

   NZ labelled ‘soft underbelly’ of Five Eyes spy network in Canadian report
   https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/nz-labelled-soft-underbelly-of-five-eyes-spy-network-in-canadian-report/ar-AAy2ET2?li=BBqdg4K

   • Anne 1.1

     31 May 2018 at 7:15 pm

     Yes, there’s something fishy about the claims. Labour’s president, Nigel Haworth is on record as saying there’s been no donations to the Labour Party from any Chinese based group – I paraphrase. Yet we know Chinese interests have been donating many thousands of dollars to the National Party in recent years. But the accusers wait until a Labour led government is in power before they make their claims.

     I listened to the ex-CIA analyst interview on RNZ a few days ago and the tone of his claims and the way he delivered them made me suspicious. It was as if he was delivering pre-determined lines and trying not to deviate from them.

     I’ll see if I can find the item and link to it.

     • Exkiwiforces 1.1.1

       31 May 2018 at 7:24 pm

       Old mate Paul, over at Kiwipolitico has put the RNZ link.

       I think they told the “No Mates Party” senior leadership group, but got flog off with “She be right mate and we know what we are doing” so now they are having a wee chat to Jandals and the team and hoping they don’t flog them like the last mob did.

     • Anne 1.1.2

       31 May 2018 at 7:26 pm

       Found the link:

       https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018646774/ex-cia-analyst-admits-trump-irony-in-china-influence-warning

2. AsleepWhileWalking 2

   31 May 2018 at 6:25 pm

   I think I’d prefer my car actually.

   https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018647386/whanganui-emergency-housing-providers-labelled-unliveable

3. greywarshark 3

   31 May 2018 at 7:27 pm

   From the 29th – this is pretty scathing about MPI.
   http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1805/S00459/another-leaked-mpi-report-reveals-scale-of-underreporting.htm

   “MPI is captured by the fishing industry. We need an independent public inquiry into the Fisheries Management System and its regulator. Right now, MPI and the seafood industry are trying to prevent this independent inquiry and are instead pushing for an internal MPI review, but this further leaked report shows once again why that must not happen.

   “MPI simply cannot be trusted to tell the truth or regulate the industry. Just last year when they didn’t prosecute anyone after their own video cameras exposed widespread fish dumping in the inshore fishery, MPI claimed the decision not to prosecute was due to legal advice. But it turned out that legal advice did not exist. MPI simply didn’t tell the truth.”

   The leaked compliance risk profile report can be downloaded at http://greenpeace.nz/leaked-sbw-fishery-repor
   From Russel Norman

   • Grey Area 3.1

     31 May 2018 at 7:49 pm

     From what I’ve heard reported MPI’s response is usually along the lines of: “That was years ago and we’ve talked to them and they’re not being naughty now”.

     Yeah right.

     Like we believe you. Start doing your job! And that means not working in the interests of the fishing industry.

     • Grey Area 3.1.1

       31 May 2018 at 7:51 pm

       And I don’t have much confidence in Nash holding either the MPI or fishing companies to account.

     • Stuart Munro 3.1.2

       31 May 2018 at 7:58 pm

       I’m afraid both major parties have colluded with the industry to let it do whatever the hell it wants. You may recall the foreign labour scandals that Key “couldn’t fix until 2016”, which was utter bullshit – all the charter vessels operating here are registered here and thus subject to NZ law in its entirety. Both parties are predominantly composed of lawyers, they knew it was bullshit, but went along with it – no doubt hoping for donations.

       • alwyn 3.1.2.1

         31 May 2018 at 10:23 pm

         “Both parties are predominantly composed of lawyers”.

         According to my dictionary the word “predominantly” is defined as
         “for the most part; mostly; mainly’
         In other words more than half.

         That is certainly a spectacular claim. Can you produce even a skerrick of evidence to justify it?
         I won’t go as far as making you prove that more than 50% of each parties members have practising certificates but can you please list the members of National and Labour who have the much lesser standard of a law degree?
         By your claim there are at least 24 in Labour and 28 in the National Party.
         Who are they?

         Or are you just making it up?

         • Doogs 3.1.2.1.1

           1 June 2018 at 9:28 am

           What a tiny little point of order you raise. What a minuscule piece of pedantry you bring up. Instead of going with the essence of a comment and putting your view on that, you pick up on a single word and pontificate on your superior knowledge of what that word means.

           This a prime perfect example of what trolling is. Never mind the thread, just drag a red herring across the topic trying to change the narrative. make it all about you and work hard at pissing people off.

           I understand your MO because I went to school with annoying little pricks who did exactly the same thing.

           I really should ignore you, but it’s like watching 2 monkeys at the zoo shagging their little hearts out. You have to watch and comment.

           • alwyn 3.1.2.1.1.1

             2 June 2018 at 10:05 am

             That’s nice dear.
             You certainly seem to have the most peculiar hobbies.
             Just keep away from young children.

         • Stuart Munro 3.1.2.1.2

           1 June 2018 at 5:33 pm

           As part of my contribution to the Sisyphean task of educating RWNJ:

           https://fyi.org.nz/request/2412/response/7816/attach/html/2/MPs%20Qualifications.xlsx.html

           You might be interested in de Toqueville’s predictions with respect to lawyers within a democratic system.

           http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/DETOC/1_ch16.htm

           • alwyn 3.1.2.1.2.1

             2 June 2018 at 10:15 am

             How fascinating. You have certainly answered one question. At least at the time that list was prepared the statement about the number of lawyers was false.
             When on earth was it done? I was hard pressed to even vaguely remember some of the names.
             Cunliffe? Goff? Mathers? Turei? Norman?
             The names seem to ring a bell somewhere but they certainly aren’t shining lights in the current Parliament are they?

             • Stuart Munro …

               2 June 2018 at 10:19 am

               “You can swim all day in the Sea of Knowledge and still come out completely dry. Most people do.” – The Phantom Tollbooth.

               • alwyn …

                 2 June 2018 at 10:33 am

                 That quote I like.
                 Sounds like Lyndon Johnson.
                 When he got a bit down from what he thought were unfair attacks from the Washington Post he is reputed to have complained that
                 ‘If I got up tomorrow and walked across the Potomac the headline in the Post the next day would be “President can’t swim”.’
                 I guess that explains why he continued for so long in Vietnam. He walked across, rather than swam in, the Sea of Knowledge.

4. greywarshark 4

   31 May 2018 at 7:44 pm

   Having made prostitution legal to enable the workers to insist on safety measures and not endure the two-faced disdain dumped on them, and to be able to earn a fair living at this therapeutic business, now it is said to be that NZs are undercut by foreign workers! What a pathetic society. Every time we take a step forward it seems to be followed by 2-3 steps back.

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/358658/nz-sex-workers-undercut-by-illegal-foreign-prostitutes

   One of the main sex work websites advertised more than 800 women, separated into Asian and non-Asian prostitutes.

   A registration scheme on sites would mean only those eligible to work could advertise – and ensure everyone was paying tax, Ms O’Hara said…

   Other prostitutes RNZ spoke to said they were being crowded out and undercut by immigrant sex workers, who were charging half the rates of their New Zealand counterparts.
   Hamilton sex worker Lisa Lewis said most people who went on holiday maxed-out their credit cards.
   “These girls are leaving with their credit cards in credit,” she said.

   “It’s definitely a disadvantage for any legal sex worker because we are having to pay tax, the provisional, the income, the GST, ACC levies.
   “They are leaving New Zealand without any of that taken off them, which is robbery of the government.”

   • Timeforacupoftea 4.1

     1 June 2018 at 3:04 am

     No difference to NZ companies out sourcing our labour to India or wherever it is cheaper.

     Take a look and see who is putting fibre in for your internet connections these past ten years.

     • greywarshark 4.1.1

       1 June 2018 at 5:24 pm

       Prostitution is not the same as installing technology in the ground or anywhere.
       It is a delicate moral issue, and we have attempted to face up to it in NZ to the benefit of the workers and their clients. Allowing foreigners to come in and
       exploit the workplace for this type of business shows the RW two-faced lack of integrity.

5. greywarshark 5

   31 May 2018 at 8:03 pm

   I’ve heard that some Indian students have made big sacrifices to come here. If they are allowed to come they should be treated fairly but I have also heard that Immigration can take people’s money, and when they have satisfied all the requirements, filled in the forms, the rules are changed and they are ineligible with no refund.

   This time, in India, they have let sharks operating as agents operate in a feeding frenzy instead of establishing who is operating to standards, and registering them as officially recognised and reliable.

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/358564/students-left-stranded-by-immigration-s-lack-of-oversight

   Matters of “fairness and natural justice” are enshrined in Immigration NZ’s immigration policy, created by Cabinet.
   But one year ago – at about the same time that issues of fraud and exploitation in the Indian student market became common – Immigration dismantled the complaint process by bypassing the need for Cabinet to make changes to immigration policy and introducing a new complaints process.

   It states: “Complaints which only raise matters of the merits of a decision will not be accepted for an investigation into that decision.”

   At the same time, Immigration began advising the minister that its strategy to clamp down on migrant exploitation was to target those migrants who are at risk of exploitation – to deport people who may become victims, rather than stop the exploitation itself.
   Immigration has suggested that budget constraints were responsible for this strategy.

   Immigration in any country seems to attract behaviour that is abrupt and cold-blooded. Here they seem to have a similar attitude to Indians as Australians have to NZs. I feel, at base, it is a racial bias that doesn’t see them as worthy as whites. But they are good for getting money into the country, which counts as exports, bringing in live bodies, while we send so many dead ones (animals) overseas.

   Arrogant and just plain nasty.
   The Immigration Protection Tribunal was set up as a judicial body independent of Immigration, and one of their functions is to review resident visa decisions. These decisions are published online.

   While immigration instructions do not require Immigration to abide by principles set out in tribunal decisions, if the tribunal continues to point out that Immigration are making the same mistakes in their assessments, a responsive ministry would obviously correct those mistakes and amend its processes accordingly.

   However, Immigration has taken the opposite approach over the past year and now makes it clear in its decisions that because it is not required to follow principles of policy interpretation in their decision-making, they are also entitled to ignore the tribunal’s criticisms of its decision-making.

   • OnceWasTIm 5.1

     1 June 2018 at 5:56 am

     McClymont sums up the situation well @grey.
     I’m still waiting for the day when Immigration NZ (and its cohorts – Labour Inspectorate and Immigration Advisor’s Authority, etc.) realise that the best approach to reducing immigration and exploitation is to concentrate on the exploiters and scammers RATHER THAN their victims. The current approach means we’re just being complicit in what is effectively people trafficking. It’s actually quite disgusting.

     • greywarshark 5.1.1

       1 June 2018 at 5:20 pm

       Once was Tim
       What you say fits in with what I have heard. Totally agree with you.

       • OnceWasTIm 5.1.1.1

         2 June 2018 at 6:39 pm

         Not sure whether you’ll see this or not because todays nooze is tomorrows fush’n’chups wrapper with Open Moik and Daily Reviews (unless there’s a dedicated strand for a discussion).
         Recent events (changes announced yesterday) go SOMEWAY to stopping exploitation: i.e. stopping visa bondage to a specific employer. If the employer is good – count yourself lucky. If not – prepare to be faced with another round of shady ‘consultants’ clipping the ticket; plus visa applicat fees; and probably a $2-3K cost to break free of the arsehole. Bear in mind, that arsehole probably has interests in associated businesses they’ve been channeling labour through – and DON’T for a moment think those arseholes a simply those from the same background (culture/ethnicity/etc). They ARE signed-up PR’d up CITIZEN-up people who are complicit in keeping this gravy train rolling.

         But……..we’ll see. The situation actually rivals the HCNZ methcon, MSD dysfunction/MPI bovis stuff.

         And if Iain L-G (who incidentally I have a lot of respect for) thinks his “officials are just the ticket and tickety boo), he’s really in need of some further “learnings going forward” if he doeesn’t want to suffer a similar fate as Phil T has had with HCNZ and Andrew Master of the Universe.

         There’s now been so much shit with our corrupted ‘ps’ that the possibilities for class action claims of compensation “are not fanciful”.

         (Btw, I can hear the screams now – Woodhouse who’s just stuck his oar in has reminded me of one – better HE should STFU for a start! – his credentials rival those of the “Oim Layvung Pulla Bent” – even if with a haughtier grin and posher eggsent goan forwid)
         No @ grey….. fuk ’em!

         • greywarshark 5.1.1.1.1

           2 June 2018 at 8:01 pm

           My latest musings on immigration and borders at 10 Once was Tim. I
           got it out of sequence by a big margin.

6. Kat 6

   31 May 2018 at 9:01 pm

   According to Hooton, over at the Herald salvage operation today, National’s support is “miraculous” ……Simon Bridges is the best thing since sliced bread.

   Don’t you just love that old song “who do you think you are kidding Mr H…..”

   • Jilly Bee 6.1

     31 May 2018 at 9:25 pm

     Hear, hear Kat I had a quick look at the op ed and quickly decided that it was simply a love in with Soimun. Puke inducing stuff.

   • NZJester 6.2

     1 June 2018 at 1:05 am

     National are trying to make themselves out to be the new socialists that want to care for the people now they are in opposition.
     Does that make them National Socialists?

     • Draco T Bastard 6.2.1

       1 June 2018 at 2:25 am

       Yes, pretty much.

     • greywarshark 6.2.2

       1 June 2018 at 5:18 pm

       NZ Jester
       You are well named. Lol. Keep the quips up please to give us a needed giggle.

   • mikes 6.3

     1 June 2018 at 5:51 pm

     Yeah obviously he’s got an agenda behind that comment. The other option of course is that he’s really thick?

     NZ. like most western democracy’s, has a roughly 50/50 split of voters between the left and right, with a center swinging vote block also. As National is the only party on the right you’d expect them to be between 40 and 5o percent at all times (unless they’re going through an amazingly bad patch)

     So 45% IMO is the level they should be at without doing any work or any good at all, just by turning up and being the National party.

     If our voting system was truly proportional (for example 100 list seats, 1% party vote threshold, 1% of total party vote =1 list MP) then ACT would have been gone ages ago as the Nats wouldn’t have been able to get extra seats off them

7. Rosemary McDonald 7

   31 May 2018 at 10:20 pm

   Despite mycoplasma bovis, the stock trucks are out in force tonight in the foggy Waikato.

   Happy Gypsy Day, it’s business as usual…https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=12062147

8. Rosemary McDonald 8

   31 May 2018 at 10:34 pm

   IDEA Services…again the object of a damning Health and Disability Commission report.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/104356676/idea-services-blasted-over-treatment-of-vulnerable-man-found-with-surgical-glove-in-his-bowel

   Seems like there was poor staff coverage…again…and yet, their annual returns would indicate their income (what they were being funded to provide the care) exceeded their expenditure, (what they actually spent on providing care…usually measured in person hours.) https://www.register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/ViewCharity?accountId=bc751b66-268a-dc11-98a0-0015c5f3da29&searchId=4229de60-ee6f-4d1b-8404-6292e07b8c3a

9. R.P Mcmurphy 9

   1 June 2018 at 10:21 am

   seems like willy j made judith collins flip her wig on the am show this am. hehehhe. and garner lost it too. hehehehe x 2. just tell em willie boy is here!

10. greywarshark 10

    2 June 2018 at 7:46 pm

    Immigration seems to operate on the edge of society. They are dealing with people who want to change status and cross the border line after applying for admittance and seem to lose rights on both sides of the border. NZ can’t seem to do anything for our nationals who have settled in Oz which is not a society known for its good behaviour, and no doubt has a lot of criminality, yet our people having already served one year of prison can be plucked out of their family and held on spurious grounds in a concentration camp.

    Other people escape from some bad situation and end up camping out in an airport lounge for years lacking the entry agreement to any country worth escaping to.

    Academics have noted the lopsided effect of the free market, with open borders welcoming foreign goods and seeking cheap prices; but ffor people the borders are chancy. Even the promise of being able to obtain cheap goods is patchy. Looking at some particular clocks, which are not made in NZ, (what is,?) the majority of sellers already state they will not trade with NZ. The new GST for under $40 comes in next year. What then?

    The effect of open borders seems to have a long-term toxic effect.

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