Don’t abandon Pike River recovery

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1. John Dalley 1

   26 January 2011 at 11:10 am

   At the time of the explosion, a map of the mine appeared in the Herald or on television and i remember thinking that the main ventilation shaft and to me, i thought at the time that there was as awful amount of tunnel part the shaft. It struck me at the time that this could well be the likely cause of the explosion (build up of gas further up the tunnel) and wondered why another ventilation shaft had not been built somewhere near the end of the current tunneling.
   While i am no expert, i expect that if they are going to recover, one, the mine and two the miners then another ventilation shaft will need to be “drilled” and the original repaired.
   I do think that the mine needs to be reopened for both reasons, recovery of the miners and the re-opening of the Pike River Mine.
2. AndyB 2

   26 January 2011 at 11:12 am

   Just a little nit pick. You said: “Families of the miners were shown video footage from the borehole of the area where the miners were working”.

   But yesterday, police said: “Police said the new footage was well away from the areas the men were believed to be working but offered the families no explanation for withholding it.”

   So, really, the miners were not working in the vicinity of the video footage.

   edit: just to be completely clear, i do want the bodies recovered at any cost! this must be a priority for the police and receivers.
   • Bright Red 2.1

     26 January 2011 at 11:29 am

     from the article, linked in the post:

     ” Monk said mine experts consulted by the families had confirmed the footage was of an area where some of the men had been working.

     “There are still some intact bodies in there … undoubtedly this will make us push harder to get in.” “
3. vto 3

   26 January 2011 at 11:36 am

   David Farrar should stick to blathering on about Wellington shit and leave the real world to the grown-ups. Wanker.

   Key should stick to money-dealing and also leave the real world to the grown-ups. Dick.

   (apologies for the useless abusive post but it just seems the right thing to say)

   [lprent: There were points in it.. ]
   • Armchair Critic 3.1

     26 January 2011 at 11:49 am

     +1
     Except John Key should get a real job, rather than being another ticket clipper.
     • Colonial Viper 3.1.1

       26 January 2011 at 11:50 am

       A ticket clipper is all he has ever been.
       • Armchair Critic 3.1.1.1

         26 January 2011 at 12:00 pm

         Oh, well, that’s OK then, let him carry on with his parasitic ways. /sarcasm.
         As you were.
4. pollywog 4

   26 January 2011 at 11:44 am

   Makes you wonder what else they found in there by way of damning evidence that safety systems and procedures weren’t up to scratch cos no one was monitoring them to the required standard

   The tragedy at the Pike River Coal mine would not have happened if New Zealand had maintained a mining inspector programme canned more than a decade ago, a mining specialist says.

   A chief inspector would have noticed the dangerous levels of gases pooling at the West Coast mine, and the 29 men who died in explosions from November 19 on would still be alive.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/4566442/Canned-system-would-have-stopped-mine-disaster

   somehow i reckon this is all gonna land on Gerry the hut’s doorstep in a flaming paper bag of shit that he can’t put out or lose the stink from…
5. The Voice of Reason 5

   26 January 2011 at 12:05 pm

   Jeez, Eddie, the video footage does not show bodies. Could you not have checked before posting? Bernie Monk has seen footage of an area near, but not adjacent to, where the guys were working. This footage shows undamaged pallets and other materials. Monk has taken from that fact that it means it is possible that intact bodies remain in other areas. He is hoping against hope that bodies remain, but the video absolutely does not show any.

   Please correct your post. It’s simply not true that bodies have been seen.
6. vto 6

   26 January 2011 at 12:17 pm

   tvor, it would be probable that now nobody will believe anything about the mine and bodies and what’s in there until it has been entered.

   And how is it unrealistic to expect that bodies may be there if timber (assumed) pallets have survived the supposed 1000 degree explosion and fires? It is in fact entirely realistic.

   Nothing the authorities say now can carry much cred on this matter imo.
   • The Voice of Reason 6.1

     26 January 2011 at 12:32 pm

     I agree entirely that until we get in there, it’ll never be known for sure what happened. I can only imagine the horror if it turns out that some survived the explosion only to die of suffocation or thirst days later. But that really isn’t likely. The two that survived only did so because they were nearly a kilometre from the explosion and both had some shelter from the blast. The other were not so fortunate and, most likely, died in seconds and were cremated in the fire that followed.

     The families will clutch at any straw, no matter how unlikely, and it appears that Bernie Monk has read too much into what he has seen on the video footage. Remember, the mine is a series of short dead end tunnels, off the sides of longer dead end tunnels, so it is perfectly possible for areas away from the explosion to remain intact. But the area where the 29 were working was where the explosion was, not the side tunnel that the bore hole and video show.

     I just think it’s irresponsible to run a post that suggests bodies have been seen on video, when they absolutely have not been seen.
     • prism 6.1.1

       26 January 2011 at 9:40 pm

       Bernie Monk seems a very sincere and good advocate for the Pike River people but I thought he was too definite in his interpretation of what he saw. The way that TVoR explains it sounds how it is likely to be.
       • McFlock 6.1.1.1

         26 January 2011 at 11:19 pm

         Site of ignition =/= only site of overpressure, especially in an enclosed environment.

         Monk *might* be leaping to conclusions, but not as bad as key.
7. the sprout 7

   26 January 2011 at 8:52 pm

   the real risk for the Government is evidence of men still being alive after the rescue was abandoned.
   • gingercrush 7.1

     26 January 2011 at 10:26 pm

     Are you fucking serious?
     • Armchair Critic 7.1.1

       26 January 2011 at 11:03 pm

       I’d guess sprout is serious. The way I see it, it is a huge risk (or consequence, if you prefer), but it also has a very low probability.
8. Treetop 8

   27 January 2011 at 1:35 pm

   The reason for so much indecision with the Pike River mine recovery needs to be examined.

   Has it come down to dollars on what happens next? Yes

   Can the coroner establish the actual cause of death and time of death? No

   Do those in charge of recovering bodies know that there are no remains to be recovered? No

   Is it possible to get into the mine and survey the damage? Yes, but devices are required due to the level of gas and new entry points.

   Were substances in the shot crete used to line the tunnel deemed to be safe (some secret substances were used in the mix)?

   Why is there so much indecision by those in charge of stabilizing the mine?

   Why are the public being told that the GAG was to go back then it is not going back?

   Why are the families only going to be being given a summary of the recovery operation?
9. pollywog 9

   27 January 2011 at 2:26 pm

   Rockhouse tried to place his rescue equipment on his face before panicking, and falling unconscious. He eventually recovered consciousness and reached a fresh air valve and a phone to alert mine staff above.

   …two miners had failed to remove their identification tags upon exiting the mine. Identification tags are left on a board by miners and contractors upon entry to the mine.

   A contractor had also failed to place his tag on the board before entering the mine on November 19.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/4586161/Pike-River-miners-died-in-minutes

   un-fucking-believable…

   so not only did mine boses not know who was coming or going by not enforcing the most basic of procedures but they had to be told by a recovering miner that there was even an explosion

   what happened to the alarms and bells and whistles and inspections to say…”HEY, THIS PLACE IS A FATAL ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN ???”
   • Colonial Viper 9.1

     27 January 2011 at 2:31 pm

     what happened to the alarms and bells and whistles and inspections to say…”HEY, THIS PLACE IS A FATAL ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN ???”

     Oh THOSE? Thought we could save a few hundred thousand by not bothering with all that pointless *red tape*.
     • Jim Nald 9.1.1

       27 January 2011 at 2:39 pm

       Oh, is that like the one about wasting money on paying officials and bureaucrats to safeguard workplace safety and hazards? Or increasing compliance costs for businesses?

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