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Dumb as a plank

Written By: - Date published: 1:18 pm, April 2nd, 2019 - 80 comments
Categories: Christchurch Attack, crime, jacinda ardern, labour, law, law and "order", police, terrorism, you couldn't make this shit up - Tags:

I get the faint sound of banjos duelling in the background.

Because the more insane element of the gun lobby is getting ready to fight for its hard won constitutional right * to bear military style semi automatic weapons in Aotearoa New Zealand.  And I hope the authorities are monitoring the readership of Fishing and Outdoors because someone associated with the paper is hinting at the retention of dangerous weapons in breach of the law.

From Belinda Feek at the Herald:

The editor of a fishing and outdoors newspaper is standing by a story about gun reforms which labels the Prime Minister “dumb-as-a-plank” and calls the Police Minister her “lapdog”.

Fishing and Outdoors‘ April edition takes a not-so-subtle jab at Jacinda Ardern and her call to ban semi-automatic assault rifles following the terrorist attacks in Christchurch.

Ardern has also been vocal in her support of a gun register which she last week told media, “absolutely makes sense”.

But the decision to ban military-style semi-automatics and assault rifles, legislation of which is currently being rushed through Parliament, has angered some gun owners.

Fishing and Outdoors editor Graham Carter stood by an article in his paper today which called out Ardern and Police Minister Stuart Nash.

“Our Dumb-as-a-Plank New Zealand Prime Minister and lapdog New Zealand Police Minister have announced a ban on assault rifles that are and have been banned for the last ‘thirty-five years’.

“Comments made by our PM are disingenuous and misleading the general public.”

The article, written by John McNab, goes on to say that it was already illegal to fire any rifle which was “full-auto” even if it was a defence force firearm.

“This is what happens when dumb people are put in charge of stuff they don’t understand, and who are too dumb to either admit it, or to listen to facts from people who do understand the stuff in question.

“Then we have all the flower powder puffs coming out of the woodwork who know little if anything about the issues here.”

The article goes on to state that “many” gun enthusiasts wouldn’t hand over their weapons to police anyway, no matter how much they’re paid.

Where to start?

It used to be that anyone who had a gun licence could apply for an endorsement on their arms licence that allowed them to have possession of a military style semi automatic weapon.

The definition of a MSSA is quite complex but includes guns with cartridges that can hold more than 15 0.22-inch rimfire cartridges or 7 other types of bullets.

The Government urgently passed changes by regulation to change this definition so that any gun with a magazine capability of five or more bullets is now considered to be a military style semi automatic weapon.

Will the defence force be prohibited from having automatic weapons?  No.  The Act exempts any person who is in possession of weapons in the course of that person’s duties as a member of the New Zealand Defence Force or a member of the Cadet Forces, or a member of a visiting force, or a member of the Police or an armourer employed by the Police.

Was the urgency justified?  You bet.  There are 50 reasons why it had to happen.

And it is not as if this is a new proposal.  The original suggestion to ban military style semi automatic weapons was made 21 years ago by  a High Court Judge.  From Radio New Zealand:

Professor Kevin Clements, of the University of Otago, praised the quick actions of the government and said it was about time the laws changed.

“This is exactly in line with the suggestions and recommendations of Judge Tom Thorp from 21 years ago, and it should have happened a long time ago rather than having to wait for a tragedy to occur.

“This is a wonderful step forward.”

Others are also not happy.

Nicole McKee of the Council of Licenced Firearms Owners was interviewed on Morning Report this morning and also made some extraordinary claims.

She said that the change was unfair and unjust and would make 250,000 ordinary kiwis into criminals.  This is every person who has a firearms licence.

She said that possession of a sight, a stock, or a butt will be illegal.

I think she means that the bill includes as a prohibited part the following:

(b)  a component that can be applied to enable, or take significant steps towards enabling, a firearm to be fired with, or near to, a semi-automatic or automatic action.

She seems to think that it is too widely drafted and would capture any sort of gun part.  For instance possession of a single bullet could be caught as that bullet with sufficient others could be put into a high capacity magazine and then added to a MSSA.

I am not so sure.  The focus of the section is enabling an ordinary firearm to be converted into a MSSA.  But if she wants to have a reasonable debate about it she should get legal advice and present it to the select committee.

Another argument is that as all sorts of things can be used for deadly purposes so why shouldn’t they be outlawed.  For instance a truck was used by a ISIL terrorist to kill and injure hundreds of French people in 2016.  The major difference is that a truck has all sorts of beneficial positive uses.  MSSAs do not.

The next week is going to get really interesting.  I hope and trust that all the parties hold their nerve and get this law change through.  And it is just a start.  There are two major reviews of the Arms Act that need to be revisited and their proposals implemented to make Aotearoa New Zealand safer than what it was on March 15.

* there is no constitutional right to bear arms in New Zealand.

80 comments on “Dumb as a plank ”

  1. Grant 1

    *MSSA isn’t it? Also I think you’ve written ‘guns with cartridges’ instead of magazines.

    [You are right. I have corrected MSSA reference. Teach me to blog on holiday! MS]

    • Grant 1.1

      *”….includes guns with MAGAZINES that can hold more than 15 0.22-inch rimfire cartridges or 7 other types of bullets. 😉

    • fustercluck 1.2

      Everyone here is pretending this ban will make us safer. It will not in the least.

      The Nice truck attack killing over 80 proves this.

      Lawfully owned MSSA firearms have never been the problem, the problem has been a refusal to deal harshly with criminals holding guns and gun crime.

      Smuggling, illicit manufacture (Basic machine shop gear, 3 d printing and CNC can now produce all components of an AR or AK pattern rifle, Glock pistol, etc and the detailed specifications for such are widely available.) and other clandestine sources of firearms will persist.

      There are more firearms in Australia right now than at. the time their buyback was instituted and yet gun crime is dropping.

      • Kevin 1.2.1

        “Smuggling, illicit manufacture (Basic machine shop gear, 3 d printing and CNC can now produce all components of an AR or AK pattern rifle, Glock pistol, etc and the detailed specifications for such are widely available.) and other clandestine sources of firearms will persist.”

        If you are going to go to those lengths then I would question your motivations for wanting a MSSA in the first place. In fact it calls into question the whole argument about so-called ‘law abiding ‘ citizens.

      • left_forward 1.2.2

        Of course it will not eliminate all risks clusterfuck, but there is no doubt whatsoever- restricted access to guns through tight gun laws will make for a safer New Zealand. The tighter, the safer it will be for all living organisms, especially humans.

        Guns have only one purpose – to kill. Removing access = less killing!
        Not too difficult to follow really, but logic and ethics are clearly not your strong points.

  2. Dennis Frank 2

    I was puzzled at the initial non-reaction from the arch-conservative sector of the populace. Turns out that the message was slowly working it’s way through the tangled web of grey cells and took three weeks to finally get processed and produce a response.

    I suppose the next thing will be the New Conservatives pitching for a poll lift from this escalation of neanderthal political consciousness. Expect to see roadside ads all over the country, paid for by gunshop owners. Will Tui jump on board? Peaceful coexistence? Yeah, right.

    • Rosemary McDonald 2.1

      “I was puzzled at the initial non-reaction from the arch-conservative sector of the populace.”

      It was there Dennis….right from the start.

      “Immediate opposition to stricter laws

      Almost immediately following Ardern’s comments on Saturday, firearms owners began posting online in opposition to tightening laws.

      On the Kiwi Gun Blog Facebook page, one person said it was time to quietly organise and work together to stop changes to the laws.

      Others said Ardern was punishing reasonable gun owners over what had happened.

      Meanwhile, others rushed into shops and online stores to purchase weapons – largely semi-automatic weapons – in anticipation of a ban.

      The owner of Auckland gun shop Serious Shooters, Richard Munt, said Ardern’s announcement was a “knee-jerk reaction.

      This usually led to poorly-written legislation, and never addressed the original problem of criminal activities with firearms going unpunished.

      “All it affects is legal, law-abiding citizens, never criminals,” Munt said.

      But there was also a group of gun owners who said there was no need for military-style semi-automatic weapons in New Zealand – a stance the Police Association supported.”

      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/03/17/492692/nzs-ongoing-fight-over-gun-laws

      And Lusk popped up a few days later….

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111440490/what-is-likely-to-change-with-gun-law-reform-after-christchurch-mosque-shooting

      • Dennis Frank 2.1.1

        I’ll take your word for it, Rosemary, since I’m a facebook-free zone. Re Lusk’s stance, I did report his comments here back then, from that Stuff source!

        In fact, it was his supportive stance for the law change that first got me wondering why the arch-cons were not reacting negatively: “Lusk said there appeared to be widespread political support for a ban on military style semi-automatics and there would be little push back as their main purpose was to “kill men”.

        “Like most hunters, he would be happy to see them go and while there was a small but vocal minority that would push back, they had little political clout or influence among the wider hunting sector. “Guys like me aren’t that keen on seeing idiots in the bush with AKs.”

        “We know the people involved in this; they are outspoken, a tiny minority and they annoy the hell out of us all. There’s no political sway there.” So, if he is indicative, looks like the arch-cons are split!

        • Michelle 2.1.1.1

          hunters literally get away with murder in our country if you wanted to get rid of someone just take them out hunting and say you shot them by accident cause this is manslaughter reckless and careless use of a firearm causing death but they always get of far too lightly. This group is being selfish. As for that fool from thames calling our PM thick as a plank he is the one that is thick as plank and bloody selfish.

    • Jess NZ 2.2

      The WOil crowd were on it before it happened, wailing about how the tragedy would lead to tyrannical moves to control guns. And have carried on as expected ever since.

      (I lurk in an incognito window, when I’m feeling strong enough.)

      • Rae 2.2.1

        Gee wouldn’t it get difficult during times of water restrictions, I mean, the number of showers you’d have to take.

  3. bill 3

    ‘I think she [Nicole McKee] means…’

    She mentions section 3(b) of the bill but I think she means section 4(3)(b):

    ‘in relation to a prohibited firearm, includes any thing, such as a butt, stock, magazine (other than a prohibited magazine), silencer, or sight, that although not essential for the discharge by the prohibited firearm of any shot, bullet, missile, or other projectile, is designed, or intended to be, an integral part of the prohibited firearm’

    I don’t think her interpretation – which zones in on the description of different gun parts and ignore the phrases ‘is designed, or intended to be, an integral part of the prohibited firearm’ – makes much sense.

    [Hi, bill. We already have a much missed author with that handle, could you choose another for your next comment? Thanks, TRP]

  4. patricia bremner 4

    Well we were afraid “nutters” or the deadly could get these weapons.

    It appears there are some really bullish characters out there wanting to dress in camouflage and wield these weapons.

    The fact they are exaggerating the new laws tells us they are desperate to prove this move is unfair.

    At last the recommendations made by Thorp after Aramoana will be examined and possibly enacted.

    This is the second modern mass murder in NZ, and perhaps if the recommendations had been in place more victims could have escaped from the Mosques.

    Calling our Prime Minister “Thick as a Plank” will not win John McNab friends. His suggestion that people will hide these guns should not go unchallenged. It comes very close to incitement.

    Calling Nash, who definitely has a mind of his own a “Lapdog” is ludicrous and indicates McNab’s desperation, faced with fast tracked almost unanimous agreement by the politicians and public to enact more of the original recommendations.

    I hope they are guarding our treasure of a Prime Minister closely, and her parliamentary colleagues.

    • Obtrectator 4.1

      “I hope they are guarding our treasure of a Prime Minister closely, and her parliamentary colleagues.”

      Quite so. It’s the bridge-builders, the conciliators, who are almost invariably the target for terrorists. Extremists of the opposite persuasion (whatever that might be) are the “necessary enemy” that these bastards believe justify their own existence. Consequently, they’re carefully left alone.

  5. roy cartland 5

    Well they’ll be ok, as long as they have the brilliant David Seymour on their side… oh hang on…

    ACT’s David Seymour misses chance to force Government to pass new gun legislation under urgency
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111727631/act-will-force-government-to-pass-new-gun-legislation-under-urgency

    • McFlock 5.1

      hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      All blow, no trumpet.

      Rimmer’s best chance for relevance since the nats gave him charter schools, and he fucks himself.

      • Formerly Ross 5.1.1

        To be fair, Seymour was on two tv shows last night promoting his End of Life Bill. That is of far greater importance for him than any changes to the gun laws which of course have widespread support in Parliament.

        • McFlock 5.1.1.1

          That is a fair call, even though it’s hopefully a niche issue.

          He’s still a dickhead though 🙂

    • From the linked article:

      He questioned what would happen if half the fire arms were not brought back and disappeared from the radar and were no longer subject to any sort of regulatory oversight.

      Disappeared from what radar, mate? NZ hasn’t registered firearms since the early 1980s – no-one has a clue who has what guns in this country. There’s no regulatory oversight of them now, so isn’t it about time we started having some again?

      • Kate 5.2.1

        As I recall, there was a theft of a collection of military style weapons from a private “collector” in a small town some years back. Supposedly they were in a locked facility in a private home. (not into looking this up again). Registration of all guns and limitation of such collections are long overdue.

    • Jess NZ 5.3

      Seriously though, does he think he’s going to pick up votes for ACT from disgruntled gun supporters? Is that a danger?

  6. “Thick as two short planks” is a familiar north-of-England term and presumably the distant origin of the weird insult “dumb as a plank,” but can anyone decifer this one?

    Then we have all the flower powder puffs coming out of the woodwork…

    I suspect Fishing and Outdoors magazine could keep a sociolinguist supplied with research topics for years…

    • Formerly Ross 6.1

      I suspect he got mixed up between flower power and powder puffs. 🙂

    • roy cartland 6.2

      Thickness (T) in ratio to length (L) of a plank increases as the plank shortens. Two planks doubles figure T.
      Hence:
      T:L ~ >T:T:2<L

      Presumably overall dumbness remains constant?

    • I feel love 6.3

      A little insight into how they think, “people without guns = flower powder puffs” “people with guns = tough guys”. I bet he drives a Ranger or something, seems to be a magnet for those with a lot to prove.

      • alwyn 6.3.1

        Now you listen here sunshine.
        Winston Peters has a taxpayer provided Ranger.
        He doesn’t take kindly to you four-flushing jingoistic morons implying that he has anything to prove.
        So there!

        • patricia bremner 6.3.1.1

          Winston made my day, and you nearly topped it Alwyn. Lol Lol

          • alwyn 6.3.1.1.1

            Winston had a pretty good target for that description didn’t he?
            And I find it very hard to think of anyone who would come to the defense of Senator Anning.

    • left_forward 6.4

      …all the flower powder puffs…
      Lol.
      I can here them say, ‘they’ve probably never fired a gun in their lives’ or ‘they couldn’t tell one end of a barrel from a…’.
      They of course being all hard and manly – the very opposite of flowers, powders, and puffs.

    • Gaak – now the pscyholinguists can ponder why it is that I thought “decypher” rhymes with “Lucifer.”

    • Unicus 6.6

      They certainly could

      Last year this rag was advertising guided hunting tours to Namibia to shoot wild game including elephants and other threatened species in need of ” culling”

      These people are seriously deranged

  7. Also, the logic is odd:

    IF the proposal is: … a ban on assault rifles that are and have been banned for the last ‘thirty-five years’.

    THEN: why the concern? The rifles in question are already banned.

    I see three possible conclusions:

    1. Carter is making a principled objection to the government re-announcing an already-existing ban. However, that conclusion is incompatible with his claim that many gun enthusiasts wouldn’t hand in their guns anyway. Either they own rifles that have been banned for 35 years, in which case we have an urgent need to identify and disarm these criminals, or Carter’s original claim that the rifles in question are already banned is false.

    2. Carter is lying about the relevant rifles being already banned but thinks we’re too stupid to be able to spot the gaping hole in his logic.

    3. Carter believes the relevant rifles are already banned but is too stupid to see the gaping hole in his own logic.

    On the whole, I think I’d put my money on number 3.

  8. Rapunzel 8

    I was pretty disgruntled to receive an emotive email that originates from something named “Shooters Lottery” via a business we have bought fishing gear from this afternoon. it includes MP emal addresses to complain of the ban to and a petition to “sign” and then circulate to as many people as possible. They have now lost one customer.
    It actually has left me feeling somewhat odd and a bit unsettled in that we so easily even became to be on such a list in regard to this, it shows how easily and quickly people intentions can be circulated.
    Part of the rationale for sigining included a supposed “specific” reason for the Ch Ch shootings that is not common public or reported knowledge, the whole thing had a very ugly edge to it.

    • Anne 8.1

      When you say…includes MP emal (email) addresses, are you referring to local MPs they are suggesting you write/email your opposition to proposed gun laws? If so, then I would send a copy of the email to your local MP and nearest Labour MP if your MP is from National.

      They should be made aware such an email is circulating in their patch of NZ.

      • Rapunzel 8.1.1

        Should have said it was
        Seymour
        Bishop
        Nash and Mark in that order though it said the PM’s email first and to copy them in to that.
        I have forwarded the whole email to Nash and Winston Peters as he was handling it today and then unsubscribed and when asked a “why” question ticked the box for “the emails are inappropriate”.
        I actually find I am fuming as it feels like an intrusion of sorts.
        I didn;t read every word but the entire thing was very emotive and in places, as far as I could tell, inaccurate.
        Without a “counter” petition it will make submissions “lopsided” at the least.
        I will drop a hard copy to the local MP office tomorrow.

        • Anne 8.1.1.1

          Good stuff Rapunzel.

          This is what the police and others have asked us to do. Even if something that looks like it might be suspicious turns out not to be suspicious, it doesn’t matter. They would far rather we be safe than sorry.

          And for anyone who wants more of the “thick as two short planks” coot whose photo is at the top of this post: he is on Seven Sharp this evening.

  9. Counteracting Petition to support the Arms Amendment Bill and add a gun register.

    https://www.toko.org.nz/petitions/create-a-nz-gun-register

  10. SHG 10

    Clever of the Council of Licenced Firearms Owners to put forward a Maori woman as their spokesperson on this issue. If you disagree with what she says, are you sure you’re not just doing it because of your latent racism and/or misogyny? Best to just shut up.

    • BM 10.1

      HaHa, that’s brilliant, bet that takes the wind out of everyone’s sails.

      Oh no, no middle age, middle-class white man to rally against, what are we going to do !!!.

      I’m expecting a few heads to explode messily.

      • joe90 10.1.1

        Ms McKee certainly fits the bill as a ridgy-didge gun nut.

        • SHG 10.1.1.1

          Yes but in this the year of our lord 2019 your position within the oppression hierarchy determines whether or not you can speak. So she’s brown and female? Dang, you best not be white or male because if you are you have no right to contradict her lived experience and you should just STFU.

          This technique has been used for years by the tobacco and Japanese whaling industries, they make sure that the local PR person in whatever region is ethnic because oppression points.

          • BM 10.1.1.1.1

            Only because you lefties are shallow fucktards who can’t get past the whole genitals and skin colour thing.

            Top 4 inches is all that matters.

            • Drowsy M. Kram 10.1.1.1.1.1

              I like how BM never strikes out blindly. He fails right in the light.

          • joe90 10.1.1.1.2

            Given the recent goings on with Hanson’s mob and the NRA the amount of dark money sloshing around the place, it would be nice to know who funds Ms McKee and the Council of Licenced Firearms Owners.

      • I feel love 10.1.2

        Oh gawd the victimised white man, why do white guys get so hung up on this crap? Do they feel so small that any criticism makes them so whiney? I’m a white man (croat/irish ancestry, proud pakeha, been here since whaling times, fencibles and gum diggers), yet whenever someone asks these questions of white men I don’t feel personally attacked, I guess I’m a strong non whiney man.

      • solkta 10.1.3

        From what i can tell she has been confronted with equal opportunity laughter.

  11. Observer Tokoroa 11

    Is the Abuse thrown at Jacinda Ardern by redneck bullies such as John McNab going to be tested in Court.

    McNab’s abuse towards Her is shocking. He knows everything about guns. But he obviously never knew anything about a legal gun owner killing 50 People, and wounding 40 more right under his own editorial role.

    Typical Redneck. He knew everything. He did nothing.

    He was very comfortable the with Gun Lust of any of shooters in New Zealand.
    It seems to me he could have prevented the terrible massacre.

    “Then we have all the flower powder puffs coming out of the woodwork who know little if anything about the issues here.”

    The article goes on to state that “many” gun enthusiasts wouldn’t hand over their weapons to police anyway, no matter how much they’re paid.

    I smell incitement coming out of the barrel of MCNab’s Editorial.

  12. RWNJ’s and the NZ Gangs do not need these weapons IMHO ?

    Only good for killing humans ?

    • alwyn 12.1

      So, what does that make Kelvin Davis?
      He, probably under pressure from his seniors in the Labour Party, has handed in his, now illegal, MSSA weapon.
      Anyone know whether it was an AK47 or M16 replica?
      He must have been a lousy shot if he needed such a thing for “hunting”.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12215729

      • Rae 12.1.1

        Some of these rifles do have some application in pest eradication, we probably do have to have a few carve outs for right and proper use, by a very few, well vetted and qualified people. However, using these things in hunting is not a proper use, it’s about as fair as an adult taking up boxing at a daycare class of 3 yr olds

      • left_forward 12.1.2

        Have you heard Kelvin protesting about the proposed bill (not sure if it has been introduced to the house yet) in the same way RWNJs, NZ Gangs, Gunshop owners, and hunters are?
        False equivalence crap.

        • alwyn 12.1.2.1

          Of course he isn’t protesting about it.
          How long do you think he would remain the deputy leader of Labour if he did?

          That isn’t the point though is it?
          What the hell did a school teacher think he was doing when he bought an assault weapon in the first place? What on earth did he want it for?
          Did he think that Stallone was going to drop of the perch and that Kelvin might be called on to replace him as Rambo?

          The only time I was ever involved in anything other than school cadets’ shooting on a Range was when we were clearing an infestation of feral goats on a farm.
          A single shot .22 rifle was totally sufficient for that. A higher power cartridge might be needed for deer but I can’t think of anyone I knew who went in for that who wouldn’t have laughed at the idea you needed a semiautomatic rifle for hunting.

  13. Sabine 13

    did the talking points from the NRA finally arrive?

    • Anne 13.1

      Aha Sabine. Was thinking along the same lines. There’s a strategy going on here. Bully, deride and shame the anti-gun lobby into silence.

      Got news for you right-wing nut jobs. It ain’t going to work.

    • I read and watched an article last night on TDB of a sting made by a reporter from Al Jazeera who went undercover and covered Hanson’s One Nation as two of her senior politicians went to America and asked for techniques in shaming the anti gun lobby from the NRA and how to get funding , – basically so they could hold the balance of power and to loosen Australia’s firearms laws.

      Scary stuff.

      The Liberal Agenda – Bryan Bruce – NZ Public Television « The Daily …
      https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/…/the-liberal-agenda-bryan-bruce-nz-public-television…

  14. Well its too late for Carter and his mates. The laws going to change and that’s that.

    Stiff cheese. Same for the gangs. Double stiff cheese on that hamburger as well.

    They dont make the law- our govt does.

    Good job.

    Govts already made some small exemptions so he cant claim they dont know what they are talking about. They would have had firearms and Police consultants submitting expertise so Carters claims of ‘ not knowing what they are talking about’ is ludicrous. As for calling people flower powder puffs after such a horrific event shows the mans unhinged thinking and also begs the question – should a man like that even be deemed ‘fit and proper’ ?

    Its just a tragedy that semi automatics, large magazines, and other accessories that can convert firearms into military style combat weapons were not dealt with years ago in this country.

    It is Carter and his ilk who do not know what they are talking about.

  15. Rae 15

    “As dumb as a plank” is it? I wonder if the rest of the gun lobby are as THICK as a plank as whoever said that clearly is?

  16. WeTheBleeple 16

    Was contemplating writing here. It seems a lot of people live in fantasyland about the status of NZ gun owners.

    There may be a lot of responsible gun owners, there’s also a lot of total pricks.

    These men like to spread urban legends about how they rounded up and scared the local Maoris at gunpoint. Farmers mostly, bikers too. They share stories of threatening to bury them all with a bulldozer under some cows and similar – the favorites of fearful white wimpy guys.

    These stories are not for the pub. Only fellow whitey. These men are all scared little wankers who know they live on contested land and spend all day every day engaged in casual racism (out of earshot of men they fear) looking to hitch recruits to their wimpy wannabe wagon.

    They’d like a civil war of sorts some excuse to kill innocents to alleviate their guilt to steal land without any fear of reprisal or compensation they believe they are god’s chosen ones, you know, being white semi-literate hateful morons who’ve spent decades and still can’t farm for shit flowing out.

    The first time I ever saw a gun was when we ran out of petrol. I walked onto a farm with a can. “Fuck off ni****s he shouted through his window, shotgun pointed at us. Convinced we were there to rob him in broad daylight, a couple of long haired white kids with a petrol can. So fearful he was foaming at the mouth, jumpy and twitchy.

    You don’t get that paranoid unless you are hiding something.

    Now some city morons will come here and deny everything even though they haven’t a clue what they’re talking about. Some farmers will claim they’re being picked on again…

    Bullies love to play victim. Watch them closely, especially this fucking victim in the article. Any authority worth their salt would run his entire database through the meat grinder. Unless that copper happens to be a white power loser.

    • Unicus 16.1

      After reading tosh like this It’s no wonder the NRA continues to exist

      Time you changed your friends mate .

      • WeTheBleeple 16.1.1

        How will changing my friends make any difference.

        These are not friends who tell tales like this these are people who mouth off with a few beers in them mistaking white skin for another racist to talk shit to. Vile people.

        “It’s no wonder the NRA continues to exist”

        The NRA exists to…? Arm these delusional pricks?

        A spades a spade in my book buddy. If I were to be making a point: Gun toting racists shouldn’t have any guns at all. And clubs of gun totin pals should be examined closely.

  17. Michelle 17

    what I would like to know is how is our government going to protect us brown people and our Muslim brothers and sisters from the white supremacy trash who are not on our police radar or Aussie police radar coming here from Australia and doing this again

    • Kevin 17.1

      If they have never come to the attention of law enforcement or govt spy agencies then there is probably nothing that can be done other than restrict their access to weapons that can kill at a high rate of fire.

      • Michelle 17.1.1

        But we don’t want these type of people in our country Kevin and our government has an obligation to ensure we are safe and how can they do this when people like him can just slip into our country unimpeded and get guns easily and then go on to do this.
        I would like that man to be sent home after the trail why should we pay to keep him here, our prisons are full of brown people he will have to be protected and why should we have to do this for 30 years or longer send him back to where he belongs.

        • Kevin 17.1.1.1

          If there is no way of detecting them, ie: they have never come to any agencies attention, then how will you prevent them coming here?

          They will be no different to the 1,000’s of others who grace our shores every year.

  18. greywarshark 18

    Just to remind ourselves what actually goes on in NZ with people with access to guns. Our safety, our ability to live lives without fear of injury and harassment as well as death, depends on the mental strength and personal standards of respect for others and self-control of individuals. The idea that people should be able to easily gain control over killing machines has become normalised in society.

    https://dpmc.govt.nz/publications/special-honours-list-2-december-2013-bravery-awards
    These bravery awards show many where guns are involved used on people causing harassment injury and death. One case states that the shooter was paranoid, had argued with his son who had run away, followed him and deliberately shot him in the chest, and then menaced others in the family. So even mad people can get hold of guns and go on a rampage. Guns have an unholy hold on many men. They may be used in sport by men and women but I suggest they take up darts, or archery if they want to prove their ability at hand and eye co-ordination and precision!

    The man in the image ooks all excited at being involved in a controversy over rights and power through owning and using guns. He doesn’t give me an impression of maturity and responsibility. And I have another picture from this magazine which I kept. It shows a couple of men who just epitomise the bovine shooter as they gaze on their dead target.

    I once commented angrily about the shooting and death of a tramper near a hut at night as she cleaned her teeth outside (shooter thought she was a deer and broke the rules about not using a gun within a set area around huts). There was an obnoxious reply objecting to such anger, dismissing it and any responsibility or sorrow from shooters.

  19. Malconz 19

    Years ago I was working on the McPhail & Gadsby comedy series “Letter to Blanchy.” The current episode involved a completely incompetent hunter (Peter Rowley) who had to use an AK-47 because he was such a crap shot. I assume the clown who called Ardern “thick” fits the same profile. And if this guy was any dumber they’d have to water him twice a day!
    While we were filming in the Waitakeres, the sound of automatic fire (just blanks) from our AK-47 obviously alerted the Powers That Be, because within 10 minutes there was an army chopper hovering over us! We managed to work it into the storyline….

    • Jum 19.1

      Love it. Only in NZ, eh. Ohh what used to be NZ before the uglies took us over.

      PS I remember the episode when they decided to remove the tree stump…

  20. Treetop 20

    Is there any way that an audit can be done on gun shops, importers and sellers of guns, rifles and attachment parts sold in the last 10 years to try and gauge how many weapons are out there?

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