Even the police sense the hypocrisy
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4:20 pm, October 9th, 2014 - 89 comments
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Tags: #dirtypolitics, cameron slater, matthew blomfield, nicky hager, raid, whaleoil
In an interesting (but entirely predicable) turn of events the David Fisher at the Herald is reporting
Police are reviewing a two-year-old criminal complaint against Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater over material he used on his website.
The review is studying how Slater obtained a vast quantity of private emails which were used as the basis of posts on his blog.
It comes as police investigate a complaint from Slater over the hacking of his computer. Detectives investigating Slater’s complaint this week executed a search warrant on the home of author Nicky Hager, who used material obtained by the hacker known as Rawshark to write Dirty Politics.
The police review stems from a complaint laid in May 2012 by businessman Matt Blomfield, who has taken a defamation case against Slater over articles on the Whaleoil blog.
To be precise, as I was pointing out the other day in “John Key’s police poodles“, it is completely ridiculous to go in and seize a journalist entire work systems and outputs because one of John Key’s friends lays a complaint. To do so while pretty well ignoring a previous complaint against Cameron Slater that has almost exactly the same legal facts just begs a label of total hypocrisy.
Now hopefully when the police finally stop having a rather long holiday on this we can we expect a rapid raid on Cameron Slater, his blog, and the taking away of ALL computers. Well I don’t think that the police are going to anything more than plaster the limp “it is too old” sticker over this.
Of course the reason why it is too old is because the bloody police didn’t move against a mate of John Key…
Updated: David Fisher at the Herald is also reporting on the household attack on Matthew Blomfield by a shotgun wielding attacker.
Blomfield had fought off the attacker, fiercely enough that police later found blood from which they took DNA.
He struggled to think who might want him hurt, or worse. In the end, he came up with a suspect list of 285,000 people – the monthly readership of the Whaleoil blog, who he believed had been given every reason to think he was one of the worst people in New Zealand.
That’s Cameron Slater – New Zealand’s hero of the crazy loons and homicidal nutters. But this particular incident always looked to me to be somewhat more sinister than that. After all with a big defamation loss looming against him? What depths could the chief raving lunatic get down to? Especially bearing in mind his previous contacts in the ‘security’ business.
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Nepotism – a sure sign of a leader, off the hook.
Is it Godwinning to call him John Mugabi Key?
John Bjelke-Key. He’s beginning to take on all the qualities of Joh Bjelke-Petersen, from not being worried about anything, the acceptance of corruption, and the using of the police as a private force through to his dismissive attitude to questioning reporters. The man is a monument to the weakness of our democratic institutions.
thats actually quite spot on – and close enough to home to have a bit more relevance in peoples minds (above a certain age)
How I laughed when Joh was asked about the seperation of powers under the Westminster system and he told the reporter he didn’t know what it was.
Perhaps that was why he saw nothing wrong in being directly involved with the police.
The balance between legislature, executive government, and the judiciary in any free state is important to maintain.
John has not kept a respectful distance from police here.
Please someone ask him to explain how he understands the concept. (I need another laugh)
In any case, by now Slater would have erased (or has the opportunity now to get rid of) incriminating evidence before the police do raid his pad, if they do decide to do that at all.
Seems NZ is losing its democracy, fairness, equality and justice!
From Gods-Own to Dogzone!
The police don’t appear to care about that. After all they raided Hager’s house after he’d clearly stated that they wouldn’t find anything about rawshark there.
I think that if the police are serious then they should raid Cameron Slater’s home, his office, AND also grab the computers running Whaleoil. Then the may find who provided him with Matthews stolen data.
AND If they were really serious about rawshark, then they should include the old server computer, the new computers with their logs (after all rawshark probably peeked) and backups that might show traces of rawshark accessing the system or grabbing data.
After all Cameron was probably too technically dumb to actually locate the traces that are there.
but we know his access to money to buy in help is unlimited
If they’re serious they’d subpoena his Facebook messages and emails from the appropriate service providers too.
Seems? Get with the programme, tiger.
Fisher seems to have turned over a new leaf.
The article shows that Slater is just the visible symptom of a cancer eating away at NZ society.
Fisher was initially one of Slater’s channels but when he started asking questions about the information, Slater began to attack him. So Fisher has started to follow up on ‘Dirty Politics’ relentlessly. Good on him.
OK I admit it. I AM RAWSHARK, now can the police please return Hager’s equipment?
Hey mate … taking a risk there. The plods aren’t always known for their intellectual flexibility. 😯 (joking)
I don’t think the fuzz are corrupt. Just humans with varying levels of incompetence / laziness / moral fibre, like the rest of us.
The raid on Hager’s house wasn’t corrupt but its legality is questionable and in violation of basic human rights. The order to toss Hager’s place was probably a dickish move from one of Key’s mates in the upper echelons.
I can understand why the cops don’t want to go looking for dirt at Cam Slater’s residence; they will need hazmat gear 🙂
@ Anna,Hi,how do you do that face.
hey “left for deadshark”, here ya go
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies#What_Text_Do_I_Type_to_Make_Smileys.3F
Thank you.
😉
Can you explain the joke to me, please?
1. cops raided hager, looking for rawshark
2. i claimed to be rawshark in a blog comment
3. knock knock on my front door
that wouldn’t really happen would it?
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/1/17/191058/297
Working with Fisher at the Herald to do hit jobs on an irrelevant blogger ?
I remember the good old days when this site was about politics not just a platform for personal vendettas and dick swinging between silly old bloggers on different sides of the political spectrum both of whom should be old enough to know better.
[lprent: Nope, I haven’t talked to Fisher by any means for months. The last time was a conversation about “Is this seat taken?”. I happened to see the tweets on the articles. ]
Slater delenda est.
O tempora o mores !
In the context of the above conversation – this video points out the problem with your position highstandard. Please note it deteriorates into bad language in the second half, when Kyle Kulinski offers his critique.
The video is about Bill Maher when he goes after Jon Stewart – a bit of left on left action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naPYrR1Wqyo
FInally higherstandard, we all know what happened to Cicero in the end… Personally I liked how Colleen McCullough wrote about it in her Masters of Rome series, but then, I’m a bit of a sucker for a nice trashy historical novel.
Qualis artifex pereo.
Canus est in atrium!
….delenda est? Carthago was feminine, but if Slater is, then ugly achieves a new dimension.
Slater delendus est, please….!
ridete alta voce
Ipse est a ipsum BOMBULUM foetidum
Ita vero
Laetus consentiunt
Ich bin ein Besonkenploffengiessengeisentreffepflotzmutter…
quid ais? Qui etiam interpretari non possum?
Fortasse oblitus spatia?
Vous parlez hollandais pour m’emmerder?
Bonjour, mes amis antiques, let’s parler Franglais.
Engels gaan niet samen.
Heb je de grap gehoord? : Een pijp is een holle cilinder, terwijl een Duchman is een domme (silly) Hollander
Your faux high standards are entertaining
You haven’t got a fucking clue, have you?
Chris 8.02
Can we go back to the original question. Can you explain the joke to me please? Which comment sounding like a joke was it Chris?
Is Matt Blomfield’s brother the prisoner mentioned in “Dirty Politics” or is that someone else?
You know, the one who Slater wanted moved to the other end of the country?
If so, it would be interesting to know Slater’s relationship with the person who was the subject of the protection order from Dan Blomfield, as this might be his casus belli.
You don’t think your last bit is just a trifle over the top? I would think potentially actionable?
[lprent: Nope. I am always pretty careful about asserting facts. What I did was a speculative question. But I will add the question marks as I was a bit rushed writing this post. ]
He’s more likely to attract tone policing from PAS types who think that nobody should ever use terms like “crazy” in their colloquial senses.
Dunno about that but I doubt that passage is wise.
Having looked at the place, that seems a fair, and perhaps even somewhat reserved, description of the people who post on M. Slater’s blog.
Crazy talk, Tom.
I lol’d.
Stating a theory is now actionable? FFS are you going to report TS to the internet police?
In which particular? The speculation that a
National Party employeeperson who trades in death threats might be a suspect in an actual assault?😆
Oh i dont think he would get HIS hands dirty…
They already are.
Yes but not by doing the physical dirty work…
His filth is worse for the charade he puts up in the form of his suit and his office.
Please yourself, it’s not my neck.
If it were, I’m sure there’d be something worthwhile discussing instead.
Please yourself, it’s not my neck.
Courage is a rare quality
The hate is unbelievable. You are not a journalist Lynn, just a loose nut.
[lprent: Unlike Slater who appears to have asserted that he is not a journalist or that he is when he thinks that the legal position favours each position, I have never ever claimed to be a journalist. In fact I am rather upset that his legal dithering says that I might be. I’m a blogger.
But having had Slater attacking my previous employers, and commenting that it was pity that I didn’t die in 2011 – yeah I really really don’t like the arsehole. So sue me for really wanting this arsehole to stop besmirching the name of bloggers and journalists. ]
“Unbelievable” – I think you mean understandable, given Mr. Slater’s ethics, which are hateful, after all.
“So sue me for really wanting this arsehole from besmirching the name of bloggers.”
I keep doing this double take when I hear someone like Kathryn Ryan talking about bloggers in the context of Dirty Politics. She uses the term generically with no attempt to differentiate between bloggers like Slater (Dirty Politics) and regular bloggers who add so much to the political landscape.
It’s a shame that the political blogosphere has come to the attention of the rest of NZ via Slater and his appalling behaviour.
Exactly… I want him gone from blogging because he is just awful and has been consistently for years.
Saying bloggers are like Cameron Slater is potentially defamatory.
Tv reporters too. Have they not read the book or read it but dont understand it, or something else
Sadly, him and Farrar will both sign up to that journalistic code of nonsense, and so be afforded an air of legitimacy in the eyes of most. At which point it will be open season on blogs and bloggers.
“Look, integrity is absolutely critical to the New Zealand Police. It’s a core value.”
—Assistant Police Commissioner Alan Boreham, talking to Mary Wilson
Radio NZ National Checkpoint, 5:10 p.m. today.
I think judith collins used to pretend that about the ministry of justice… Police…
Bennett about private info held by WINZ…
funny how five cops spent ten hours at hagers but when one goes on holiday their blomfield review grinds to a halt. An OIA on when the review really began would be interesting
It’s worth reminding oursleves that during the 1951 wharfies strike, a person who gave a wharfie’s child an icecream could be arrested. The Herald was subjected to regular police raids and articles and material were suppressed/removed from their offices by the police.
But the Herald was completely on the side of the government in 1951. Nothing has changed.
I have no idea what the facts of this Blomfield v Slater issue is or why they are at each other’s throats.. Nothing in this post tells me anything about the background? Is Blomfield a rat bag? Seems strange for The Standard to be sticking up for a businessman?
Google challenged?
Why not run your mouth anyway?
@ExStatic
I have no idea You indeed speak truth. I think that this blog should charge a ‘donation’ before attempting to help the wilfully helpless. Right wingers make an awful fuss about ‘learned helplessness’ They way they talk, it seems that doing anything for anyone just encourages them to be a floppy jelly.
So if you are feeling uninformed why should The Standard provide you free tuition. If you say you have no idea, yet can type words in a sentence that makes sense, then you may be a lost cause. If not, try google on the web and in the search bar put keywords that frame a question you have. Keep trying till you get some information then go to the top select the address. and then right click again and press copy and keep it in your file ‘For things I should know’.
And if you want to find what page you were in that had that interesting information yesterday, you might have a History part on your tool bar at the top or side and that will show you all the addresses on the web that you have visited.
Now isn’t that kind of us. Go to it and next time you come on the blog, you will have something intelligent to say that you have learned for yourself.
Try searching on this site
http://thestandard.org.nz/?s=blomfield&isopen=block&search_posts=true&search_sortby=date
Or probably the best summary is here. “It’s not stolen – I just borrowed it without asking”
Or search google or NZ Herald…
Background info
Whaleoil attempted to manipulate and intimidate David Fisher
Whaleoil (apparently) defamed and incited violence against Matt Blomfield
Simon Pleasants received death threats after his name appeared on the Whale Oil blog
… seeing a pattern here?
Do you need someone to wipe your arse too… Cos lynn didnt give background on that either
“Nothing in this post tells me anything about the background? ”
the words in blue text in the post are ‘links’. If you hover your cursor over them it will probably change to a hand icon or something. If you click the little button on your mouse when hovering over the ‘link’ it will take you to a different ‘web-page’ via the ‘internet’. The ‘link’ in the ‘update’ part of the post, for example, will take you to a long ‘news story’ that has been placed on a ‘page’ at the ‘New Zealand Herald’ site from ‘today’ with loads of the ‘background’ you are ‘looking’ for.
‘gosh’, that sounds ‘complicated’ 😉
http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/41101320.jpg
chuckle
Funny that you have no idea, but rat bag is a quaint term loved by Slug Boy. It’s something I’d only previously heard from the blue rinse brigade, but then who knows who writes the rubbish on his bog?
How are the pork doing with the roast busters? Oh right, one of them’s a cop’s son…
Then there’s Farrar’s mate happily contemplating stupefying and raping potentially underage girls at a “Princess Party”. I’m sure the penguin can help with inquiries…
*crickets*
More sad and senseless police failures to add to BLiP’s list. 🙁
Kudos Lynn. You are a brave man.
I myself retreated into silence when Slater outed me on his forum after I had a chuckle when The Truth went down with all hands while he was captain. He posted my real name and occupation on his forum in order to intimidate me. No-one was safe after that and his dip-shit sidekick, Pete, knew it.
Then he again threatened to out me after one of the continuous hissy-fits he and his lame duck wife have whenever someone makes a complaint to one of his sponsors.
Lots of people are behind you!
merely as a footnote to the above erudite discussion, it might pay for posters to check the crimes act for definitions of “journalist” and “media”.
obtw did not slater use a defence in a court case that he was a journalist and the court found in his favour?
he can hardly now claim he is not a journalist.
should have also added “evidence act” and “search and surveillance act”. Sorry ’bout dat.
As I understand it, different Acts define ‘journalist’ and ‘journalism’ in different ways.
You are assuming logic to slaters actions.
His actions are driven by hate and vengence hardly the repository of soubd reasoning and logic. He is also paid by others to lie to his readers about stuff “he” wrote.
He also believes his rich well connected mates will help him out. Understandably given he got his injunction pre election and a raid onhagers homes.
Is Fisher one of Rawshark’s three journos?
Nobody knows who they are yet, they are either a) sitting on stories or b) someone has gagged them. Or c) rawshark was pulling our chain.
or d) Russell Brown states “At least one of those journalists has now completed a substantial post-election story based on Rawshark material. It’s just a matter of when it will be published.”
@ OAB 7.54
That journalist had better be quick before the busies rob his/her tools of trade and work, in the name of exposing crime and criminals and in reality, burying facts and the web of deceits and lies that make up the fabric of our present society. A web with irregular holes in it – would not even pass legal requirements for a fishing net.
I think I’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.
I thought he had left the last dump to Gower…