Hope – A powerful but dangerous tool.

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1. Carolyn_Nth 1

   2 April 2018 at 9:50 am

   Good post. I have hoped for change too many times since the 70s. Had my hopes raised too many times: in the US, as in the post; from UK Tories to Blair; from Nats to Clark…. and now I don’t have much hope left.

   The wealthy and powerful elites will just not stand by and let people power, or power for the people happen. When change seems likely, they come out swinging. So after Clark we got 9 years of destruction of the commons; of punitive, mean policies for the less well off.

   A weak, appeasing, nominally left government will not bring significant, lasting change.

   The right play dirty, and for keeps. Left wing parties require a strong left wing movement leading the way, plus awareness of what we are up against.
   • Bill 1.1

     2 April 2018 at 10:11 am

     When I was a kid, like others my age all across Europe, I invested quite a bit of hope in Mikhail Gorbachev.

     That was the first time and also the last.

     These days politicians or political parties may get my conditional support. But my eye is set on possibilities they may open up for us – the invisible – never on what any politician or political party promotes as a final goal.

     Also hope was the last thing in Pandora’s box, yes? Do the evils spring from hope or exist in spite of hope? Regardless, without despair there can be no hope. So a world without hope would be a fine place 🙂
     • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1

       2 April 2018 at 10:28 am

       Also hope was the last thing in Pandora’s box, yes?

       Yep, the one thing that never got out into the world. Perhaps that’s the problem.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.2

     2 April 2018 at 10:26 am

     The right play dirty, and for keeps. Left wing parties require a strong left wing movement leading the way, plus awareness of what we are up against.

     QFT

     We don’t have a strong Left-wing government. Instead, what we have, is a weak Right-wing one. The main ‘left’ party is too scared to actually be Left.
     • Ed 1.2.1

       2 April 2018 at 10:30 am

       As per usual, Draco, you hit the nail on the head.
       We have a tweedledee government.
       Then if the Nats get voted in we get tweedledum.
       Both right wing. One just slightly less right wing than the other.
       Both neoliberal. One just slightly less neoliberal than the other.
     • Adrian Thornton 1.2.2

       2 April 2018 at 2:24 pm

       @ Draco T Bastard +1
   • Adrian Thornton 1.3

     2 April 2018 at 2:24 pm

     +1 Carolyn_Nth…”A weak, appeasing, nominally left government will not bring significant, lasting change.
     The right play dirty, and for keeps. Left wing parties require a strong left wing movement leading the way, plus awareness of what we are up against.”

     Corbyn/Sanders have both shown what offering citizens real Left Wing hope can do, how fast despair can be turned in to motivation and mobilization, how the disenfranchised can feel engaged and strong, and demand to be heard..it is so sad we lost Helen Kelly she could have been that catalyst to action in NZ…maybe there is someone else..?
2. One Anonymous Bloke 2

   2 April 2018 at 10:35 am

   The sage goes by knowledge, not by hope;
   He dwells in the fruit, not the flower;
   He accepts the former, and rejects the latter.

   Lao Tzu.
   • weka 2.1

     2 April 2018 at 11:28 am

     we should tend the flowers too if we want the fruit (and just because it’s a good thing to do).

     How much gardening did Lao Tzu do?
     • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1

       2 April 2018 at 11:34 am

       Less than me by the looks – and I don’t garden.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.2

       2 April 2018 at 11:42 am

       History is silent on the subject. He clearly knew enough about it to choose the flower as a metaphor for hope though.

       He also wrote:

       Be humble as earth and a part of Nature.
       In this way
       Friendship and enmity,
       Profit and loss,
       Honour and disgrace,
       Will not affect you.
       The impartial Self is of most benefit to the World.
       • weka 2.1.2.1

         2 April 2018 at 12:16 pm

         Maybe. The metaphor works, but it’s also problematic because rejecting the flower can mean we don’t get any fruit.
       • Muttonbird 2.1.2.2

         2 April 2018 at 5:07 pm

         He’s also part of a culture which has never, ever had a democratic vote.
         • McFlock 2.1.2.2.1

           2 April 2018 at 5:27 pm

           To be fair, the CCP did try initially. Didn’t really work in the late 40s – people kept asking who they were instructed to vote freely for.

           Then they wanted things to fix for their new utopia, and launched the Hundred Flowers campaign. But the nurturing of different ideas ended up that a lot of those flowers were “maybe something other than Communism”, so that got scotched.

           Now they have a president for life.
         • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.2.2.2

           2 April 2018 at 5:30 pm

           So what? The notion that we should judge ideas by results is hardly anathema to democracy, although I understand why the National Party might blanche at the prospect.
           • Muttonbird 2.1.2.2.2.1

             2 April 2018 at 5:34 pm

             You could say that China has an unfair advantage not being saddled with the burden of democracy! 🙂
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               2 April 2018 at 5:43 pm

               People who know China better than I cite the absence of the rule of law as the most significant factor. I don’t think it confers an advantage, though: rather it encourages nepotism and human rights abuses, which stunt its potential.
3. SPC 3

   2 April 2018 at 10:58 am

   The key is (focused on message) persistence in restoring public provision capability upon removing a right wing government.

   In Obama’s case the Republicans ran an alternative media/Fox media campaign of fear to win back Congress, here it will come more through the MSM, as per 2000.

   Clark’s 1999 government wound back the Housing Corp reforms (sell offs and market rents), this time there is the same in education (the announced policy changes, plus increasing the number of and pay for teachers). Drawing a line in the sand.

   There is also beginning the long process to increase state housing stock (70,000 with 3M and 70,000 with 5M is a huge change, especially when home ownership is falling). And adequate funding for health.

   Quite apart from dealing with the former governments lack of planning for sufficient housing supply (while running high immigration) with Kiwibuild, and the related impact on (child) poverty deriving from high rent (overcrowding) – better rental standards will help.
4. Sacha 4

   2 April 2018 at 11:56 am

   Can we please have a byline on this post.
   • weka 4.1

     2 April 2018 at 12:15 pm

     It’s a cross post from the first link (also noted on the Front Page). That first link isn’t permanent though and content will change next time he puts up a post.
     • Sacha 4.1.1

       2 April 2018 at 12:29 pm

       Ta. Did not even spot that link. Can you perhaps add Nick’s name to the bottom of this post?
     • lprent 4.1.2

       2 April 2018 at 5:03 pm

       the permalink is on the date of the post
     • Draco T Bastard 4.1.3

       2 April 2018 at 5:38 pm

       Permalink – well, as long as the blog lasts.
5. timeforacupoftea 5

   2 April 2018 at 8:08 pm

   Jesus man ! your guest Post wrote
   .

   Timeforacupoftea wrote.
   Jesus man !
   I would hate you being in my team.
   Obama was a terrible man and a terrible President.
   He could have at least lowered the killings in his own state Chicago where 3,917 murders during his tenure took place and mainly blacks killing blacks.

   During Obama’s tenure in the White House, 3,917 people were murdered in Chicago, police records show.

   https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/us/obama-hope-farewell-chicago/index.html

   https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/13/barack-obama-legacy-racism-criminal-justice-system

   Thousands and thousands killed during Obamas tenure.

   Obama orded drone strikes killed children and women

   Obama embraced the US drone programme, overseeing more strikes in his first year than Bush carried out during his entire presidency. A total of 563 strikes, largely by drones, targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen during Obama’s two terms, compared to 57 strikes under Bush. Between 384 and 807 civilians were killed in those countries, according to reports logged by the Bureau.

   https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush
   • D'Esterre 5.1

     2 April 2018 at 10:40 pm

     Timeforacupoftea: “Obama was a terrible man and a terrible President.”

     I was wondering how long it would be before somebody pointed out the uncomfortable truth about Obama. Talk about feet of clay…..

     Liberals expected great things of him, because he was a Democrat. But US foreign policy has been essentially unchanged since at least the end of WW2: presidents come and go, but they find out pretty smartly that they cannot change the foreign policy trajectory. No matter their political affiliations, they are suborned by the Establishment: that collection of unelected government officials who ensure that the White House incumbent does as he’s told. In that regard, Obama was no different from his predecessors – or his successor, come to that.

     Guest Post: “I regard Obama as the best US President in my lifetime…”

     I’ve been around a lot longer than the author; all US presidents in my lifetime – including Donald Trump – have been broadly similar. Republicans are slightly more right-wing than Democrats. But only slightly. They all follow established US foreign policy, and domestic policy isn’t vastly different, whether Republican or Democrat. The only difference with Trump is that we now have Twitter. So we hear in real time, so to speak, what he’s thinking and saying, instead of finding out such things only after a president’s left office, as used to be the case.
6. Incognito 6

   2 April 2018 at 9:23 pm

   Hope springs eternal.

   I have to confess that I feel ambiguous about hope. To me, it seems to have an element of wishful thinking and this can lead to unrealistic expectations. Coupled to this is that hope is often externalised and directed at another (higher) force/source; we are powerless and it is in the hand of the gods. The paradox of hope is that is has to be grounded in reality and be realistic. As with all emotions, hope can be (used as) a very good motivator, a strong driver of action and change.
7. gsays 7

   2 April 2018 at 11:59 pm

   Derrick Jensen, hardcore US environmentalist, left a lasting impression on me in regards to hope.
   In his book, endgame, he describes hope as an attitude when you no longer have agency or influence.
   F#/! hope is his conclusion.
   To be fair his agency extends to blowing up dams so salmon could spawn.

   It is a lot more rational and reasonable when reading in long form.

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