I’d phone a friend but they’re all Young Nats too

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Halfcaste interviews a selection of Young Nats at their recent conference.

Interviewer: “What’s your favourite tribe?”

Young Nat: “To be honest I don’t have a favourite Maori tribe”

Interviewer: “Top three?”

Young Nat: “Ahh… I don’t think I know…”

Interviewer: “Don’t know any Maori tribes?”

Young Nat: “Noooo… No, hang on, Maori tribes… no sorry…”

The clip below’s just a teaser, you can watch the whole thing here including cameos from Nikki “Equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome” Kaye and Simon “A hand up rather than a hand out” Bridges.

123 comments on “I’d phone a friend but they’re all Young Nats too ”

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  1. mickysavage 1
    23 July 2010 at 12:47 pm

    This is really good satire. Labour youth must be involved in this.

    It is satire isn’t it? You mean …

  2. Jim Nald 2
    23 July 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Those two would make fantastic National cabinet ministers for a fresh, ambitious New Zealand future.

  3. Lew 3
    23 July 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Outstanding. Made my day.

    L

  4. Maggie 4
    23 July 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Don’t dis the Young Nats, their parties are legendary!

    • blueboy 4.1
      23 July 2010 at 6:31 pm

      I beleive their parties are legendary, at least they pay for their own booze unlike young Labour who tend to steal their booze.

      • loota 4.1.1
        23 July 2010 at 7:41 pm

        Nah blueboy, I don’t think Young Nats have to pay for their own booze. that’s disengenuous, just grab the glenfiddich from the folks’ liquor cabinet. And aren’t these the kinds of parents who are quite happy to supply their teenage kids with shedloads of alcopops for their after ball bashes?

      • Ari 4.1.2
        24 July 2010 at 5:11 am

        Bah, the Young Nats have effectively stolen theirs through class warfare anyway :p

  5. vto 5
    23 July 2010 at 1:18 pm

    ha ha, just like the msm, pick out the best/worst and abandon all sense of balance.

    but seriously those two came across as lacking some basic basics.

    • Fisiani 5.1
      23 July 2010 at 8:38 pm

      But what a stupid question. What is your favourite tribe? How about asking what is your favourite town council ? What is your favourite company? What a total non story.

      • BLiP 5.1.1
        23 July 2010 at 8:44 pm

        Yours would have been a better response than what those spotty brats came up with. Its actually a great story in that it exposes the youth within National Ltdâ„¢ as the pig ignorant white trash rejects that they are. Even if you can’t perceive that, it was still full of lols which, in my book, makes it a very worthy story.

  6. just saying 6
    23 July 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Cheers for that.

    Just can’t have too many laughs out-loud in a day!

    I recommend watching the whole thing to anyone with ten minutes to spare, though it is kind of disturbing……

  7. felix 7
    23 July 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Watching these Mouseketeers contrasted with the child-stars Nikki and Simon and further comparing them to the full grown Nats there’s a disturbing realisation that these people never grow up, never change, and never learn anything. Except their lines. They do get slightly better at the lines. But not that much better.

    • Tigger 7.1
      23 July 2010 at 1:41 pm

      Was Simon Bridges actually speaking English? I could not understand a word he said. And who on earth told Kaye to emphasise that she doesn’t stand for equality of outcome? She makes a huge point of saying she believes in equal opportunity but NOT equal outcome. It’s the dumbest right wing spin I’ve heard in ages.

      • Richard 7.1.1
        23 July 2010 at 2:18 pm

        I imagine it is because equality of outcome is communism, or something.

        • Rosy 7.1.1.1
          23 July 2010 at 8:24 pm

          That would be funny if it wasn’t so horrifying. Should have asked them what their ideas for equal opportunity were given people start from different places …

  8. BLiP 8
    23 July 2010 at 1:48 pm

    And these people want a say in the running of Aotearoa? And that woman is from South Side?? I despair.

  9. george 9
    23 July 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Felix, that’s because they don’t need to grow up. They’re cossetted by privilege and never have to face the realities that force most people to grow. The irony is they then tell people who have a lot of real world experience like nurses, teachers and union members that they don’t understand the “real world”.

  10. djp 10
    23 July 2010 at 2:01 pm

    answer: “Visigoths!”

    If it is ok to have a favourite tribe is it ok to have a favourite race?

    • george 10.1
      23 July 2010 at 2:13 pm

      Are you asking that because you prefer whites to non-whites and would like to be able to say so?

      • djp 10.1.1
        23 July 2010 at 2:34 pm

        No georgie I am just wondering if there is a double standard there.

        I could have just as easily said Olkhunut.

        Am I the only one who thinks it is weird to expect all NZ’ers to have a favourite Maori tribe? None of the Maoris I have known (not huge numbers but still) have ever mentioned any of the particulars so I am unaware of what differences there are between Maori tribes… this makes it hard to pick a favourite.

        • Richard 10.1.1.1
          23 July 2010 at 3:23 pm

          As Lew says, the point is that it isn’t a sensible question.

          The question is a joke. The young Nats are the punchline.

          But this goes totally over the heads of the young Nats.

          • felix 10.1.1.1.1
            23 July 2010 at 3:35 pm

            … and others apparently.

            Next djp will be saying it’s not fair ‘cos they didn’t go and ask any young maori what their favourite celtic clan is.

            • djp 10.1.1.1.1.1
              23 July 2010 at 9:42 pm

              I dont care about fairness.. the interviewer can ask whatever he likes.

              It doesnt seem obvious that it is a joke question either (esp considering the channel). Plenty of people get asked these kind of questions and the answers have a real effect.

        • BLiP 10.1.1.2
          23 July 2010 at 8:34 pm

          Am I the only one who thinks it is weird to expect all NZ’ers to have a favourite Maori tribe? None of the Maoris I have known (not huge numbers but still) have ever mentioned any of the particulars so I am unaware of what differences there are between Maori tribes this makes it hard to pick a favourite.

          This comment is wrong on so many levels. At least we have a clear illustration of the level of deliberate ignorance out there. Trouble is, how can anyone make these people *want* to know.

          • djp 10.1.1.2.1
            23 July 2010 at 9:34 pm

            good on you then.. if it is wrong on so many levels you should be able to come up with some substance rather then just trash talking

            • Harry 10.1.1.2.1.1
              23 July 2010 at 10:01 pm

              Now you want substance? You right-whingers abandoned the substance high-ground years ago. And now you only clamour for it when you’re beat. Suck it up loser.

              • djp …
                23 July 2010 at 10:25 pm

                I am not a right winger and your argument amounts to “neener neener”

                Unfortunately there are no winners in this level of discourse

            • BLiP 10.1.1.2.1.2
              23 July 2010 at 10:01 pm

              The plural for Maori is Maori. How can you say you “know” a Maori if you don’t know their iwi affiliation? If none of the Maori you say you know haven’t told you their affiliation means you can’t answer the question then that indicates you have never bothered to find out for yourself. Etc etc etc . . .

              • djp …
                23 July 2010 at 10:22 pm

                My best friend for a couple of years was my half cast neighbour named Winara, his tribe never came up as a part of conversation. Either he wasnt a real Maori or you are full of it when you say you cant know a Maori if you dont know their tribe.

                I did learn a new way to pronounce Taupo though

                • Harry …
                  23 July 2010 at 10:27 pm

                  Some of my best friends are maoris.

                • BLiP …
                  23 July 2010 at 10:30 pm

                  That it didn’t come up in conversation or that you weren’t interested enough to ask fits nicely with your use of the term “half caste”. I note you didn’t respond the fact that you need a Maori to tell you which tribe is best because you can’t be arsed checking it out for yourself. Tell me, what’s the first five lines of the national anthem in Maori?

                  • djp …
                    23 July 2010 at 10:42 pm

                    well I guess a white dude chilling out with a brown dude just isnt good enough for you is it?

                    You are right though, I cant be bothered learning about Maori tribes and similar topics because smug assholes like you turn me off the subject altogether.

                    • Harry …
                      23 July 2010 at 10:50 pm

                      Some of my best friends are maaaoris. We chill out together all the time. Man.

                    • BLiP …
                      23 July 2010 at 10:50 pm

                      You’d better hurry up and join the YoungNats, then.

                    • djp …
                      23 July 2010 at 10:52 pm

                      piss off Harry… you never once asked me my tribe, Im just starting to think you dont care enough

                    • felix …
                      23 July 2010 at 10:54 pm

                      Maaaaris are alright as long as they keep all that maaaaari stuff to themselves.

                    • djp …
                      23 July 2010 at 11:00 pm

                      Seriously.. you guys all seem like weirdo PC freaks to me.

                      If not looking at the world through brown colored glasses makes me a racist prick then so be it.

                    • Harry …
                      23 July 2010 at 11:07 pm

                      Oh noez djp has been turned off! It’s not all about you little fella. Despite what your mum told you.

                    • BLiP …
                      23 July 2010 at 11:08 pm

                      heh! classic!!

                      Funny how “PC” has gone from being a bit of an in-joke amongst lefties to a pejorative term bandied about by RWNJ trolls. Even more amusing is the fact that the trolls can’t explain what “politically correct” actually means when they use it except to describe it as some kind of mind-control mechanism the supah-sekrit Socialist planetary overlords have stuffed down their throats via the panty waisted liberal media so that they can’t use the word n1gger any more.

                      djp – why don’t you and your imaginary maaaari friend go to your room. Its past your bedtime.

                    • Ari …
                      24 July 2010 at 5:20 am

                      PC is still an in-joke among lefties, the righties just don’t realise it yet. 🙂

    • Lew 10.2
      23 July 2010 at 2:26 pm

      If the hapless young Tory had responded with something like “that’s a weird question, tribes aren’t something you just pick as favourites” it would have been to her considerable credit. But that would have required her to have actually thought about the topic.

      L

      • djp 10.2.1
        23 July 2010 at 2:35 pm

        Fair enough.. they did seem like muppets

      • Rex Widerstrom 10.2.2
        23 July 2010 at 2:36 pm

        Fair point I guess, but as I was reading down the transcript my first thought was “Isn’t that some obscure question about hiphop music? Are they trying to show the young Nats are un-hip?”.

        I’ve faced all sorts of live interviews on all sorts of topics in my time and that question would have thrown me completely because it is so weird and there’s no right answer. And human nature is such that no one wants to say “I have NFI what you’re talking about” only to realise they’ve misheard or misunderstood and then come off loking like a prat.

        Even asking “Please explain?” didn’t exactly do wonders for the politician who resorted to it 😉

  12. outofbed 12
    23 July 2010 at 2:54 pm

    An observation

    Young Greens? Not a black brown or yellow face amongst them, all Vote Green
    Young Nats? Not a black brown or yellow face amongst them, most Vote Act
    Young Labour? A few brown black or yellow faces, most Vote Green

  13. loota 13
    23 July 2010 at 2:55 pm

    These Young Nats are going to become fast friends with Maori Tv, I can see it now. Don’t they even bother to read the news about Key and Tuhoe?

    Bizarrely uninformed and unaware for aspiring young politicians.

    captcha: CLEARLY

  14. tc 14
    23 July 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Just like the senior nat’s….don’t let knowledge/rational thought/evidence and logic get in the way of your ideology….blinkers on and off we go into the wild blue yonder.

    Reminds me of that young ones episode where Emma Thomson/Stephen Fry and Ben Elton played the footlights college toffs on University Challenge……just with a kiwi 21st century twist.

  15. Mostyn 15
    23 July 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Shouldn’t make fun of the kids I suppose, but that was very, very funny.

  16. Jim Nald 16
    23 July 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Ok, I watched that longer version and was blinking so much in disbelief that my contact lenses nearly both fell out. Is the clip for real??

    Comments after watching it … what to say?

    An embarrassment of riches

  17. Brett 17
    23 July 2010 at 3:55 pm

    What is this Maori nation the interviewer speaks of ?
    Also favourite Maori tribe ?
    WTF.

    • Lew 17.1
      23 July 2010 at 3:59 pm

      No comment thread about ethnic politics is complete without Brett turning up and utterly misunderstanding everything about it.

      L

      • Brett 17.1.1
        23 July 2010 at 4:08 pm

        Just watched the whole vid
        Jeez what a wanker that guy from Maori TV is, what an ego.

        • Richard 17.1.1.1
          23 July 2010 at 4:19 pm

          Yay!

          That’s nearly(!) as funny as the original.

          Well done Brett.

        • loota 17.1.1.2
          23 July 2010 at 4:25 pm

          Mate, I guess its tough not to feel superior when you’re shooting fish in a barrel.

    • Bill 17.2
      23 July 2010 at 4:13 pm

      That really does take the biscuit Bret.

      At least the kids on the vid have a bit of an excuse insofar as they were in front of a TV camera being interviewed and had to offer instant responses in an unfamiliar situation.

      You, though, have no excuses. Maybe you really do need to sue your parents?

  18. mickysavage 18
    23 July 2010 at 4:13 pm

    The point is Brett that if you live in Aotearoa and expect to be a leader and cannot name even one Maori tribe then you have a serious hole in your knowledge that should be justification for preventing you from ever holding office …

  19. Brett 19
    23 July 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Yes I agree you should be able to name at least one Maori tribe, but what’s your favourite tribe,honestly how do you answer that?.
    I like Tuhoe because they always have heaps of piss owww ?

    • Richard 19.1
      23 July 2010 at 4:21 pm

      Brett, how would you answer the question:

      “What is your favorite magazine to read?”

    • fraser 19.2
      23 July 2010 at 4:27 pm

      brett “but what’s your favourite tribe,honestly how do you answer that?.”

      how about something like – “well i wouldnt want to pick a favourite but [insert tribe] has done some good things”

      that would suffice surely?
      (of course, thats in hind site – and im sure anyone of us could easily look like a bit of a twit when put on the spot)

    • felix 19.3
      23 July 2010 at 4:32 pm

      Thing is, Brett, a question in an interview (as opposed to a quiz) is really just an invitation to speak briefly on a subject.

      If you have nothing – nothing at all – to say on that huge, huge subject (or just something stupid like your comment above) then that in itself speaks volumes about you.

      Gee I wish Brett Dale were here – at least he’d be amusing for while. This other Brett is just sad.

    • mickysavage 19.4
      23 July 2010 at 7:53 pm

      what’s your favourite tribe,honestly how do you answer that?.

      The thing is the future of the National Party obviously could not name any tribe. They should have come out with anything like Nga Puhi, Ngati Porou, Tainui, Ngai Tahu or any other tribe.

      It was a great question. It was far worse not to answer than to answer.

      • comedy 19.4.1
        23 July 2010 at 10:13 pm

        How about if they’d said Ngati benephiti, Ngati tai troughy, and Parekura’s tribe Ngati phery phati

  20. Luke 20
    23 July 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Woo, bunch of lefties bagging on national supporters.
    You’re not adding anything to NZ politics by sitting on your computer dissing these guys. Everybody knows Maori tribe names but in an interview situation I’m sure it’s hard to think.

    If it were Young Labour in this interview, everyone here would be saying ‘oh hey don’t be mean to them, it was a bad question’ or ‘they were under pressure’ or something. So don’t go acting all sanctimonious.

    • Lew 20.1
      23 July 2010 at 8:21 pm

      Woulda shoulda coulda. Leave it out, chap, they were asked a sharp question and choked.

      L

      • IrishBill 20.1.1
        23 July 2010 at 8:28 pm

        Everybody knows Maori tribe names but in an interview situation I’m sure it’s hard to think.

        That sounds a bit nanny state liberal to me. Whatever happened to standing on your own merits and taking personal responsibility?

    • felix 20.2
      23 July 2010 at 8:45 pm

      Luke,

      When you’re the butt of a joke that you don’t get, it doesn’t help to cry foul.

  21. Cnr Joe 21
    23 July 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Toi Iti is it?
    He’s great, Tamas son I suppose?

  22. DS 22
    23 July 2010 at 8:20 pm

    How hard is it to say: I’ve really admired how Ngai Tahu/Tainui/Ngati Porou have done great work in [x].

    Eg – being a South Islander I (hope) I would have said ‘I’m impressed by the work Ngai Tahu have put into furthering tertiary education by their intelligent use of redevelopment of land etc’

    Failing that: All of them.

  23. RedFred 23
    23 July 2010 at 8:55 pm

    funny

  24. BLiP 24
    23 July 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Sorry – but I just can’t over this video. I called a couple of my nephews aged 12 and 13 on the pakeha branch of te whanau and asked them the same question. The older one said: “they’re all good, why’s that?” Good Answer. The younger one, although he got it completely wrong, said “Parihaka because of what happened”.

    Remind me to buy my sister a bunch of flowers – I might even shout her National Ltdâ„¢ voting husband a beer next time I see him.

    • Anne 24.1
      23 July 2010 at 9:48 pm

      Watched video 3 times now. They fascinate me. So thick! I’m picking they went to private schools where they learnt bugger-all about Maori. Standard of education below par… yet the private schools are exempt from National Standards!

      As for the loony mantra “I believe in equality of opportunity but not equality of outcome”. What’s it supposed to mean? That everyone should have the opportunity to learn to read and write, but only the privileged few (such as themselves) should be able to go on to have successful, fulfilling and lucrative (emphasis on lucrative) careers? It beggars belief.

      • BLiP 24.1.1
        23 July 2010 at 10:20 pm

        Those vapid cretins seem to live in an alternate universe where everyone is like them, or wants to be, and all they have to do is recite their rote-learned lines without the application of thought. In fact, the application of thought would be detrimental to any acceptance they might receive from their peer group.

        The mantra is the epitome of the blame culture thinking whereby: you deserve what you get because you had same the opportunity. It is also a classic example of the primary failure in economics: namely, in establishing any model the primary assumption is that “all things being equal”. Thus, its possible to postulate that if everyone goes to school, everyone has the same chance of success provided they make the same effort. Trouble is, how does that account for the fact that some of the kids arrive at school barefoot and hungry, or others have dyslexia, some have computers and some don’t, and so on. To see re-framed economic babble spouted in relation to the social areas of politics by youth is a frightening glimpse into the future of Aotearoa.

  25. RedFred 25
    23 July 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Although someone just got banned for posting another sketch by Halfcaste over at Red Alert.

  26. Descendant Of Smith 26
    23 July 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Sorry but it’s hard not to feel embarrassed when young people who aspire to be leaders can’t even play a simple word association game and name at least their local tribe, let alone any of the well known tribes in NZ.

    Sure some of that simply reflects urbanisation – city folks huh but for goodness sake what country do they think they are living in?

    These kids are going to have to face a NZ with all the baby boomers dead and 50% of the workforce non-white.

    They ain’t got a hope in hell.

    • loota 26.1
      23 July 2010 at 10:01 pm

      That’s why they’re all going over to Oz to do university or careers.

    • Gosman 26.2
      23 July 2010 at 10:16 pm

      Because the names of tribes come up a lot in the average workplace.

      LOL!

      • Harry 26.2.1
        23 July 2010 at 10:30 pm

        And so do classical economic theories. Lol!

        • felix 26.2.1.1
          23 July 2010 at 10:58 pm

          I like the way you roll, Harry.

          • Harry 26.2.1.1.1
            23 July 2010 at 11:08 pm

            yeah but they be hatin. (theirselfs mainly).

          • Descendant Of Smith 26.2.1.1.2
            23 July 2010 at 11:18 pm

            “Because the names of tribes come up a lot in the average workplace.”

            I’ve worked in a few workplaces from working in the bush, to abattoirs, to retail, to the disability sector, community organisations and banking.

            The only normal workplace that had no discussion about Maori and Iwi and what was happening on a particular marae was in the banking industry – which was predominantly white and in terms of management almost exclusively male – I remember when the ANZ bank appointed the first female accountant in Australasia.

            I guess your definition of a normal workplace and mine are poles apart. As I noted earlier I suspect urbanisation plays a significant part but for us country boys it was just part of everyday life born out of a commonality of living in the same community.

            • Ari 26.2.1.1.2.1
              24 July 2010 at 5:49 am

              Even being an urbanite is no excuse. I live in an almost entirely white suburban “paradise”, but I could name three or four tribes off the top of my head.

              It’s a matter of putting in some effort to your social education. Out in the country you have to do that, but privileged people in the cities seem to think it’s optional to be aware of the wider community.

  27. Kevin Welsh 27
    23 July 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Now I know what Tim Nice But Dim, did when he left school.

  28. ak 28
    24 July 2010 at 1:02 am

    “No hang on…. Maori tribes….”

    Watch it a dozen times and weep for the future.

    As the grotesque, Mauler Benefit/Thatcherite “confident woman” tory appropriation of progressive feminist gain attaches the equally-obscene GrinnyKey “love me for my ignorance” appropriation of respect for the simpleton – and crystallises, fatally, into classic pathos.

    Morbid fascination, with a word for the wise:

    Ae, Tariana, this is how they’re raised.
    Deliberately.
    And determinedly.
    Hone’s right.
    Be advised.

    Ano. Play it again – and again and again, Haami.

  29. Lew 29
    24 July 2010 at 7:19 am

    Sure lends a bit of context to the finding of UN Special Rapporteur on Human Rights James Anaya — that the status of te reo Māori is somewhat hollow, since it’s an official language which isn’t actually taught.

    L

  30. vto 30
    24 July 2010 at 9:05 am

    This is a classic re-run of Dr Suess’s “Butter Battle Book”.

    • comedy 30.1
      24 July 2010 at 9:26 am

      You’ll like this then.

      http://vimeo.com/5259958

    • felix 30.2
      24 July 2010 at 9:31 am

      The Butter Battle was about two parallel societies, each equally ignorant of the other.

      This really isn’t like that at all, v.

    • vto 30.3
      24 July 2010 at 9:46 am

      Yes I do like that mr comedy.

      Felix, perhaps its not in the wider context but it certainly is when it comes to young pollies buttering up each others buttering bits.

      btw, anyone ever try buttering their toast butter-side down? Clearly one society is all upside-down about things…..

      • felix 30.3.1
        24 July 2010 at 10:04 am

        Ok then. This is just like Mullholand Drive, maybe not in any specific way but there’s people and a party and dialogue.

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    As Deb Te Kawa writes in an op-ed, the new Government seems to have immediately bought itself fights with just about everyone. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of the top 10 news and analysis links elsewhere as of 10 am on Monday December 4, including:Palau’s President ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    22 hours ago

  • Be Honest.
    Let’s begin today by thinking about job interviews.During my career in Software Development I must have interviewed hundreds of people, hired at least a hundred, but few stick in the memory.I remember one guy who was so laid back he was practically horizontal, leaning back in his chair until his ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    23 hours ago

  • Geoffrey Miller: New Zealand’s foreign policy resets on AUKUS, Gaza and Ukraine
    New Zealand’s international relations are under new management. And Winston Peters, the new foreign minister, is already setting a change agenda. As expected, this includes a more pro-US positioning when it comes to the Pacific – where Peters will be picking up where he left off. Peters sought to align ...
    Democracy ProjectBy Geoffrey Miller
    1 day ago

  • Auckland rail tunnel the world’s most expensive
    Auckland’s city rail link is the most expensive rail project in the world per km, and the CRL boss has described the cost of infrastructure construction in Aotearoa as a crisis. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The 3.5 km City Rail Link (CRL) tunnel under Auckland’s CBD has cost ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago

  • First big test coming
    The first big test of the new Government’s approach to Treaty matters is likely to be seen in the return of the Resource Management Act. RMA Minister Chris Bishop has confirmed that he intends to introduce legislation to repeal Labour’s recently passed Natural and Built Environments Act and its ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    1 day ago

  • The Song of Saqua: Volume III
    Time to revisit something I haven’t covered in a while: the D&D campaign, with Saqua the aquatic half-vampire. Last seen in July: https://phuulishfellow.wordpress.com/2023/07/27/the-song-of-saqua-volume-ii/ The delay is understandable, once one realises that the interim saw our DM come down with a life-threatening medical situation. They have since survived to make ...
    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    1 day ago

  • Chris Bishop: Smokin’
    Yes. Correct. It was an election result. And now we are the elected government. ...
    My ThinksBy boonman
    2 days ago

  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #48
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science  Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Nov 26, 2023 thru Dec 2, 2023. Story of the Week CO2 readings from Mauna Loa show failure to combat climate change Daily atmospheric carbon dioxide data from Hawaiian volcano more ...
    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago

  • Affirmative Action.
    Affirmative Action was a key theme at this election, although I don’t recall anyone using those particular words during the campaign.They’re positive words, and the way the topic was talked about was anything but. It certainly wasn’t a campaign of saying that Affirmative Action was a good thing, but that, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago

  • 100 days of something
    It was at the end of the Foxton straights, at the end of 1978, at 100km/h, that someone tried to grab me from behind on my Yamaha.They seemed to be yanking my backpack. My first thought was outrage. My second was: but how? Where have they come from? And my ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Look who’s stepped up to champion Winston
    There’s no news to be gleaned from the government’s official website today  – it contains nothing more than the message about the site being under maintenance. The time this maintenance job is taking and the costs being incurred have us musing on the government’s commitment to an assault on inflation. ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • What's The Story?
    Don’t you sometimes wish they’d just tell the truth? No matter how abhorrent or ugly, just straight up tell us the truth?C’mon guys, what you’re doing is bad enough anyway, pretending you’re not is only adding insult to injury.Instead of all this bollocks about the Smokefree changes being to do ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • The longest of weeks
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Friday Under New Management Week in review, quiz style1. Which of these best describes Aotearoa?a. Progressive nation, proud of its egalitarian spirit and belief in a fair go b. Best little country on the planet c. ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Suggested sessions of EGU24 to submit abstracts to
    Like earlier this year, members from our team will be involved with next year's General Assembly of the European Geosciences Union (EGU). The conference will take place on premise in Vienna as well as online from April 14 to 19, 2024. The session catalog has been available since November 1 ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • Under New Management
    1. Which of these best describes Aotearoa?a. Progressive nation, proud of its egalitarian spirit and belief in a fair go b. Best little country on the planet c. Under New Management 2. Which of these best describes the 100 days of action announced this week by the new government?a. Petulantb. Simplistic and wrongheaded c. ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • While we wait patiently, our new Minister of Education is up and going with a 100-day action plan
    Sorry to say, the government’s official website is still out of action. When Point of Order paid its daily visit, the message was the same as it has been for the past week: Site under maintenance Beehive.govt.nz is currently under maintenance. We will be back shortly. Thank you for your ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • DAVID FARRAR: Hysterical bullshit
    Radio NZ reports: Te Pāti Māori’s co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has accused the new government of “deliberate .. systemic genocide” over its policies to roll back the smokefree policy and the Māori Health Authority. The left love hysterical language. If you oppose racial quotas in laws, you are a racist. And now if you sack ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #48 2023
    Open access notables From this week's government/NGO section, longitudinal data is gold and Leisorowitz, Maibachi et al. continue to mine ore from the US public with Climate Change in the American Mind: Politics & Policy, Fall 2023: Drawing on a representative sample of the U.S. adult population, the authors describe how registered ...
    Skeptical Science
    4 days ago

  • ELE LUDEMANN: It wasn’t just $55 million
    Ele Ludemann writes –  Winston Peters reckons media outlets were bribed by the $55 million Public Interest Journalism Fund. He is not the first to make such an accusation. Last year, the Platform outlined conditions media signed up to in return for funds from the PJIF: . . . ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • Weekly Roundup 1-December-2023
    Wow, it’s December already, and it’s a Friday. So here are few things that caught our attention recently. This Week in Greater Auckland On Monday Matt covered the new government’s coalition agreements and what they mean for transport. On Tuesday Matt looked at AT’s plans for fare increases ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    4 days ago

  • Shane MacGowan Is Gone.
    Late 1996, The Dogs Bollix, Tamaki Makaurau.I’m at the front of the bar yelling my order to the bartender, jostling with other thirsty punters on a Friday night, keen to piss their wages up against a wall letting loose. The black stuff, long luscious pints of creamy goodness. Back down ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • The Hoon around the week to Dec 1
    Nicola Willis, Chris Bishop and other National, ACT and NZ First MPs applaud the signing of the coalition agreements, which included the reversal of anti-smoking measures while accelerating tax cuts for landlords. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The five things that mattered in Aotearoa’s political economy that we wrote ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • 2023 More Reading: November (+ Writing Update)
    Completed reads for November: A Modern Utopia, by H.G. Wells The Vampire (poem), by Heinrich August Ossenfelder The Corpus Hermeticum The Corpus Hermeticum is Mead’s translation. Now, this is indeed a very quiet month for reading. But there is a reason for that… You see, ...
    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    4 days ago

  • Forward to 2017
    The coalition party agreements are mainly about returning to 2017 when National lost power. They show commonalities but also some serious divergencies.The two coalition agreements – one National and ACT, the other National and New Zealand First – are more than policy documents. They also describe the processes of the ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    5 days ago

  • Questions a nine year old might ask the new Prime Minister
    First QuestionYou’re going to crack down on people ram-raiding dairies, because you say hard-working dairy owners shouldn’t have to worry about getting ram-raided.But once the chemist shops have pseudoephedrine in them again, they're going to get ram-raided all the time. Do chemists not work as hard as dairy owners?Second QuestionYou ...
    More than a fieldingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • Questions a nine year old might ask the new Prime Minister
    First QuestionYou’re going to crack down on people ram-raiding dairies, because you say hard-working dairy owners shouldn’t have to worry about getting ram-raided.But once the chemist shops have pseudoephedrine in them again, they're going to get ram-raided all the time. Do chemists not work as hard as dairy owners?Second QuestionYou ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • Finally
    Henry Kissinger is finally dead. Good fucking riddance. While Americans loved him, he was a war criminal, responsible for most of the atrocities of the final quarter of the twentieth century. Cambodia. Bangladesh. Chile. East Timor. All Kissinger. Because of these crimes, Americans revere him as a "statesman" (which says ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago

  • Government in a hurry – Luxon lists 49 priorities in 100-day plan while Peters pledges to strength...
    Buzz from the Beehive Yes, ministers in the new government are delivering speeches and releasing press statements. But the message on the government’s official website was the same as it has been for the past several days, when Point of Order went looking for news from the Beehive that had ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    5 days ago

  • DAVID FARRAR: Luxon is absolutely right
    David Farrar writes  –  1 News reports: Christopher Luxon says he was told by some Kiwis on the campaign trail they “didn’t know” the difference between Waka Kotahi, Te Pūkenga and Te Whatu Ora. Speaking to Breakfast, the incoming prime minister said having English first on government agencies will “make sure” ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • Top 10 at 10 am for Thursday, Nov 30
    There are fears that mooted changes to building consent liability could end up driving the building industry into an uninsured hole. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of the top 10 news and analysis links elsewhere as of 10 am on Thursday, November 30, including:The new Government’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on how climate change threatens cricket‘s future
    Well that didn’t last long, did it? Mere days after taking on what he called the “awesome responsibility” of being Prime Minister, M Christopher Luxon has started blaming everyone else, and complaining that he has inherited “economic vandalism on an unprecedented scale” – which is how most of us are ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    5 days ago

  • We need to talk about Tory.
    The first I knew of the news about Tory Whanau was when a tweet came up in my feed.The sort of tweet that makes you question humanity, or at least why you bother with Twitter. Which is increasingly a cesspit of vile inhabitants who lurk spreading negativity, hate, and every ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • Dangling Transport Solutions
    Cable Cars, Gondolas, Ropeways and Aerial Trams are all names for essentially the same technology and the world’s biggest maker of them are here to sell them as an public transport solution. Stuff reports: Austrian cable car company Doppelmayr has launched its case for adding aerial cable cars to New ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    5 days ago

  • November AMA
    Hi,It’s been awhile since I’ve done an Ask-Me-Anything on here, so today’s the day. Ask anything you like in the comments section, and I’ll be checking in today and tomorrow to answer.Leave a commentNext week I’ll be giving away a bunch of these Mister Organ blu-rays for readers in New ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    5 days ago

  • National’s early moves adding to cost of living pressure
    The cost of living grind continues, and the economic and inflation honeymoon is over before it began. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: PM Christopher Luxon unveiled his 100 day plan yesterday with an avowed focus of reducing cost-of-living pressures, but his Government’s initial moves and promises are actually elevating ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • Backwards to the future
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has confirmed that it will be back to the future on planning legislation. This will be just one of a number of moves which will see the new government go backwards as it repeals and cost-cuts its way into power. They will completely repeal one ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago

  • New initiatives in science and technology could point the way ahead for Luxon government
    As the new government settles into the Beehive, expectations are high that it can sort out some  of  the  economic issues  confronting  New Zealand. It may take time for some new  ministers to get to grips with the range of their portfolio work and responsibilities before they can launch the  changes that  ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    6 days ago

  • Treaty pledge to secure funding is contentious – but is Peters being pursued by a lynch mob after ...
    TV3 political editor Jenna Lynch was among the corps of political reporters who bridled, when Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters told them what he thinks of them (which is not much). She was unabashed about letting her audience know she had bridled. More usefully, she drew attention to something which ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago

  • How long does this last?
    I have a clear memory of every election since 1969 in this plucky little nation of ours. I swear I cannot recall a single one where the question being asked repeatedly in the first week of the new government was: how long do you reckon they’ll last? And that includes all ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago

  • National’s giveaway politics
    We already know that national plans to boost smoking rates to collect more tobacco tax so they can give huge tax-cuts to mega-landlords. But this morning that policy got even more obscene - because it turns out that the tax cut is retrospective: Residential landlords will be able to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago

  • CHRIS TROTTER: Who’s driving the right-wing bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In 2023, ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    6 days ago

  • GRAHAM ADAMS:  Media knives flashing for Luxon’s government
    The fear and loathing among legacy journalists is astonishing Graham Adams writes – No one is going to die wondering how some of the nation’s most influential journalists personally view the new National-led government. It has become abundantly clear within a few days of the coalition agreements ...
    Point of OrderBy gadams1000
    6 days ago

  • Top 10 news links for Wednesday, Nov 29
    TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere for Wednesday November 29, including:The early return of interest deductibility for landlords could see rebates paid on previous taxes and the cost increase to $3 billion from National’s initial estimate of $2.1 billion, CTU Economist Craig Renney estimated here last ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • Smokefree Fallout and a High Profile Resignation.
    The day after being sworn in the new cabinet met yesterday, to enjoy their honeymoon phase. You remember, that period after a new government takes power where the country, and the media, are optimistic about them, because they haven’t had a chance to stuff anything about yet.Sadly the nuptials complete ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago

  • As Cabinet revs up, building plans go on hold
    Wellington Council hoardings proclaim its preparations for population growth, but around the country councils are putting things on hold in the absence of clear funding pathways for infrastructure, and despite exploding migrant numbers. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Cabinet meets in earnest today to consider the new Government’s 100-day ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago

  • National takes over infrastructure
    Though New Zealand First may have had ambitions to run the infrastructure portfolios, National would seem to have ended up firmly in control of them.  POLITIK has obtained a private memo to members of Infrastructure NZ yesterday, which shows that the peak organisation for infrastructure sees  National MPs Chris ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago

  • At a glance – Evidence for global warming
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago

  • Who’s Driving The Right-Wing Bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In ...
    Bowalley Road
    7 days ago

  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    7 days ago

  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More than a fieldingBy David Slack
    7 days ago

  • National’s murderous smoking policy
    One of the big underlying problems in our political system is the prevalence of short-term thinking, most usually seen in the periodic massive infrastructure failures at a local government level caused by them skimping on maintenance to Keep Rates Low. But the new government has given us a new example, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago

  • NZ has a chance to rise again as our new government gets spending under control
    New Zealand has  a chance  to  rise  again. Under the  previous  government, the  number of New Zealanders below the poverty line was increasing  year by year. The Luxon-led government  must reverse that trend – and set about stabilising  the  pillars  of the economy. After the  mismanagement  of the outgoing government created   huge ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    7 days ago

  • KARL DU FRESNE: Media and the new government
    Two articles by Karl du Fresne bring media coverage of the new government into considerations.  He writes –    Tuesday, November 28, 2023 The left-wing media needed a line of attack, and they found one The left-wing media pack wasted no time identifying the new government’s weakest point. Seething over ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago

  • PHILIP CRUMP:  Team of rivals – a CEO approach to government leadership
    The work begins Philip Crump wrote this article ahead of the new government being sworn in yesterday – Later today the new National-led coalition government will be sworn in, and the hard work begins. At the core of government will be three men – each a leader ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago

  • Black Friday
    As everyone who watches television or is on the mailing list for any of our major stores will confirm, “Black Friday” has become the longest running commercial extravaganza and celebration in our history. Although its origins are obscure (presumably dreamt up by American salesmen a few years ago), it has ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago

  • In Defense of the Media.
    Yesterday the Ministers in the next government were sworn in by our Governor General. A day of tradition and ceremony, of decorum and respect. Usually.But yesterday Winston Peters, the incoming Deputy Prime Minister, and Foreign Minister, of our nation used it, as he did with the signing of the coalition ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    7 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Tuesday, Nov 28
    Nicola Willis’ first move was ‘spilling the tea’ on what she called the ‘sobering’ state of the nation’s books, but she had better be able to back that up in the HYEFU. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago

  • PT use up but fare increases coming
    Yesterday Auckland Transport were celebrating, as the most recent Sunday was the busiest Sunday they’ve ever had. That’s a great outcome and I’m sure the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    1 week ago

  • The very opposite of social investment
    Nicola Willis (in blue) at the signing of the coalition agreement, before being sworn in as both Finance Minister and Social Investment Minister. National’s plan to unwind anti-smoking measures will benefit her in the first role, but how does it stack up from a social investment viewpoint? Photo: Lynn Grieveson ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago

  • Giving Tuesday
    For the first time "in history" we decided to jump on the "Giving Tuesday" bandwagon in order to make you aware of the options you have to contribute to our work! Projects supported by Skeptical Science Inc. Skeptical Science Skeptical Science is an all-volunteer organization but ...
    Skeptical Science
    1 week ago

  • Let's open the books with Nicotine Willis
    Let’s say it’s 1984,and there's a dreary little nation at the bottom of the Pacific whose name rhymes with New Zealand,and they've just had an election.Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, will you look at the state of these books we’ve opened,cries the incoming government, will you look at all this mountain ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 week ago

  • Climate Change: Stopping oil
    National is promising to bring back offshore oil and gas drilling. Naturally, the Greens have organised a petition campaign to try and stop them. You should sign it - every little bit helps, and as the struggle over mining conservation land showed, even National can be deterred if enough people ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago

  • Don’t accept Human Rights Commission reading of data on Treaty partnership – read the survey fin...
    Wellington is braced for a “massive impact’ from the new government’s cutting public service jobs, The Post somewhat grimly reported today. Expectations of an economic and social jolt are based on the National-Act coalition agreement to cut public service numbers in each government agency in a cost-trimming exercise  “informed by” head ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand welcomes European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement
    A significant milestone in ratifying the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) was reached last night, with 524 of the 705 member European Parliament voting in favour to approve the agreement. “I’m delighted to hear of the successful vote to approve the NZ-EU FTA in the European Parliament overnight. This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago

  • Further humanitarian support for Gaza, the West Bank and Israel
    The Government is contributing a further $5 million to support the response to urgent humanitarian needs in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, bringing New Zealand’s total contribution to the humanitarian response so far to $10 million. “New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of civilian life and the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago

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