LocalBodies: Gerry Brownlee, Making Stuff Up Again!

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1. Tamati 1

   18 March 2014 at 11:46 pm

   Voters like roads, Brownlee likes votes, therefore Brownlee likes roads. It’s populism plain and simple, aimed at at middle of the road voters stuck in a traffic jam.
   • Richard Christie 1.1

     19 March 2014 at 12:04 am

     Of course he likes roads, girth like that is pretty hard to navigate down a busy footpath.
     • Tamati 1.1.1

       19 March 2014 at 12:08 am

       Wide load follows?
     • Tracey 1.1.2

       19 March 2014 at 7:57 am

       fat jokes? Really?
       • Lanthanide 1.1.2.1

         19 March 2014 at 12:17 pm

         If Gerry wasn’t a thick, offensive idiot, maybe we wouldn’t make jokes at this expense.
         • lprent 1.1.2.1.1

           19 March 2014 at 12:20 pm

           Ha. I detect the authentic and frustrated voice of Christchurch. It amazed me when I was down there last about how irritated people were with the guy.
           • Lanthanide 1.1.2.1.1.1

             19 March 2014 at 12:26 pm

             Amongst people I know, whenever Gerry is mentioned there’s almost always a reflexive joke about him made. It’s almost automatic.
   • Populuxe1 1.2

     19 March 2014 at 12:12 pm

     Christchurch voters need roads
     • Lanthanide 1.2.1

       19 March 2014 at 12:19 pm

       Yes, and we already got our RONS. I’m staring at it right now, in fact.

       The CHCH RONS was one of the few that had a good cost:benefit ratio, and given that it was greenlighted before the 2010 September quake, and subsequently the population has shifted west, it came at a very opportune time.

       Unfortunately for you, the $12B we’re talking about here are for roads not in Christchurch, otherwise you might have a valid point.
     • Tracey 1.2.2

       19 March 2014 at 12:19 pm

       which doesnt address his stance on auckland roads
2. tricledrown 2

   19 March 2014 at 12:17 am

   Brownoselee can’t fit in bus or train.
   So that’s why he is Bi arse.
   Double talk from double chin.
3. Ad 3

   19 March 2014 at 7:01 am

   Also perhaps unnoticed is that National has consistently raised taxes on petrol and diesel. In transport, National is not a low-tax party.

   NZTA fully accept they are where TransportBlog and Genter have been pointing for some time: while trucking continues its post-GFC climb (and with it RUC income), private vehicle kms continue trending down (and with it the great majority of transport income). NZTA can already see that in short order the income will not support tho great motorway boom.
4. Philj 4

   19 March 2014 at 7:21 am

   Xox
   Is Brownlee /Nats getting election funding from Trucking Association, or perhaps Downers highway construction? 12 billion is a lot of money for business interests. Is this a Public Private Partnership, minus the public benefit, but plus the cost?
5. tc 5

   19 March 2014 at 7:22 am

   And why do our roads seem to be needing alot more maintenance over the past years.

   The same stretches seem to be worked on after being completed recently and other patches always seem to either shoulder closed or undergoing some form of repair.

   Are we so crap at maintenance now or not doing the job right.

   Ive been observing resealing and centre strip plantings now being pulled on a fresh overpass on sh1 done less than 2 years, resealing seems fine being a new road but watching young plants doing what plants do being ripped out raises the eyebrows.
   • ianmac 5.1

     19 March 2014 at 9:00 am

     The Main Highway 1 from Blenheim to Picton is being constantly resealed. At least annually. I think the huge number of trucks including logging trucks are responsible. Will Roaduser charges cover the cost? Doubt it. Will the taxpayers pay for the truck damage? Yes. We are heavily subsidising trucking companies.
     • Populuxe1 5.1.1

       19 March 2014 at 1:26 pm

       You sound almost libertarian
   • Kahukowhai 5.2

     19 March 2014 at 9:53 pm

     Bigger trucks are now allowed on roads, in some cases totally unsuited.

     For example the Hundalee Hills highway south of Kaikoura, which is steep and winding with numerous sharp curves down to 45 km/h, has been designated as suitable for the 62 tonne HPMVs, the monster train-killer trucks that the Nats have allowed to be introduced in the past few years.
6. Tracey 6

   19 March 2014 at 7:58 am

   The only explanation I can come up for about Brownlee’s high ranking is that he must know where alot of bodies are buried.
7. Ad 7

   19 March 2014 at 8:41 am

   Note TransportBlog today has a quick summary of the transport policies of those parties polling over 5% in the last election.
8. fambo 8

   19 March 2014 at 9:45 am

   Around 40 percent of rates goes to maintaining roads in the region I live, other than the main highways
9. Tracey 9

   19 March 2014 at 10:09 am

   transportblog and generation zero are becoming favourite sites of mine. brownlee could do worse than read them.
10. Wayne 10

    19 March 2014 at 11:34 am

    Tracey,

    On TV3 last night Josie Pagani was concerned that Labour kept attacking National’s roads programme. She seemed to think that the continual attack would be a real negative for voters.

    It would seem that a lot of voters quite like to see the core motorway system being completed (Auckland to Hamilton, Waterview, Transmission Gully and yes even Puhoi to Wellsford, well at least to Warkworth).

    And the Green attack on these projects does not impress middle voters.
    • Tracey 10.1

      19 March 2014 at 11:45 am

      Wayne

      I am not a labour voter so your comment doesnt affect me much. My observation of josie’s recent utterances is that she wants labour to be national lite.

      Have you visited generation zero and transport blog on auckland transport ideas? It makes for interesting reading and offers some less expensive alternatives in some instances.
    • Dave kennedy 10.2

      19 March 2014 at 12:00 pm

      Tracey I guess it depends where you live, out in the regions there is huge frustration about the cuts in funding for road maintenance to support the RONS. Southland, as one example, earns 12% of our export income, has an extensive network of roads, but we are funded on our population (2%). That funding has been cut by a further 25% and many of our roads are now degrading.
      • Tracey 10.2.1

        19 March 2014 at 12:25 pm

        fair comment but gerry is plumping for motorway financing which wont repair your roads.g
    • framu 10.3

      19 March 2014 at 12:31 pm

      “Josie Pagani was concerned”

      yeah… not really that worried about what the paganis think

      if your trying to sway opinion here you might want to consider a better source

      It would seem that a lot of voters – proof?

      And the Green attack on these projects does not impress middle voters. – proof?
      • Wayne 10.3.1

        19 March 2014 at 12:34 pm

        Framu, Polls.
    • Kahukowhai 10.4

      19 March 2014 at 9:55 pm

      Last Labour government spent a lot on highways, in fact they took political control of the highway budget. There is one thing only I will say about the 1990s National government – they decentralised highway spending decisions, and Labour took it back under central government domination.
11. James Thrace 11

    19 March 2014 at 1:16 pm

    At Tc and ianmac. Roads are being reselaled thanks to short termism and contractors seeing an opportunity for an ongoing revenue stream.

    Prior to 1989 most territorial roads were sealed with a 3×2 layer as follows. Gravel/tar/gravel/tar/gravel. The subsequent wear and tear on the reading surface was far less than you see today.

    With the great outsourcing boom, private contractors, many of whom had worked for said local authorities knew of the CBR when it came to sealing the roads.

    In the downward drive to reduce expenditure, many local authorities put out to tender their road sealing contracts.

    Contractors now saw the license to print money. Using the inside knowledge of the cost to seal the road using the 3×2 structure, many contractors cut their bids quite heavily, but only promise to bring the road up to ‘traffic grade standard’

    Just what that is isn’t clearly defined. Councils loved the idea that their one off cost of fixing the road could be so cheap!

    Of course it was cheap. Contractors went for the 3rd world and farm road method of 2×1 layering which is gravel/tar/gravel.

    End result now is shoddy reading that can’t quite stand the rigours of our heavier vehicles, higher traffic volume and is essentially subjected on a monthly basis to all manner of utility servicing.

    Hence why now most roads require resealing at least 18 monthly.

    Going back to the old 3×2 method would extend the life of the road out to around 3 years, but contractors would lose money that way so its a no go.
    • Dave kennedy 11.1

      19 March 2014 at 1:54 pm

      James, you make some good points, I happened to talk to a reputable contractor who said that they still tender based on the old approach but always lose to the cheapest offer, which are clearly cutting costs. We need to have a rethink of procurement policies so that wider issues are considered like boosting the local economy by employing local contractors and the long term value of spending a little more to get a better job done. In the past the lowest and highest tenders were ignored but now it appears that the focus is all on cost.
      • Lanthanide 11.1.1

        19 March 2014 at 10:30 pm

        “but now it appears that the focus is all on cost.”

        I’d like to see how these chinese-made trains factor up on the cost ledger, when you include the downtime from having them off the tracks and possibly requiring asbestos removal.
    • Murray Olsen 11.2

      19 March 2014 at 11:02 pm

      James, that’s how road contracts work in the 3rd world. The initial building costs are quite low, but the firm is guaranteed 10 or 20 years of maintenance, which basically comes as a blank cheque. Of course, in many countries there is corruption involved, with kickbacks to the local/state/federal politicians. Luckily this could never happen in Aotearoa, where political funding and donations are made transparent by the Waitemata Trust and National ministers don’t get financial rewards until they get appointed to boards of various corporations, or paid $1000/day by Brownlee to fix Christchurch.
12. Corokia 12

    19 March 2014 at 8:01 pm

    6 weeks of roadworks on less than 1km of road on Leith Saddle just north of Dunedin, such low quality that the seal came off the uphill lane the trucks use within days and it is now restricted to 70km/hr while the same crew are digging up more of SH1 a few kms north. Cheap tenders plus trucks that are too heavy stuff the roads, but poor decisions by Kiwirail mean rail is being rundown too.
    • Kahukowhai 12.1

      19 March 2014 at 10:05 pm

      Kiwirail are in the difficult position of being kept on a fairly short leash by the government with a private sector manager dominated board, and having been forced into this Turnaround Plan which has denied them the funding they really desperately needed to upgrade their network and other aspects of the operation. Still interested to hear more about what “poor decisions by Kiwirail” might be.
13. hoom 13

    20 March 2014 at 6:10 pm

    Auckland Transportblog did an article on this latest Genter vs Brownlee episode
    http://transportblog.co.nz/2014/03/19/brownlee-admits-they-ignore-economic-analysis-when-it-suits-them/

    Aside from all the making stuff up bullshit, the fact that he actually drops the charade & admits that they are just making the Roads of Importance to National because National see it as a strategic investment is fascinating.

    Meanwhile he is still happy to pretend that its the economic case that keeps them from backing CRL for Auckland.

    Also it really gets my goat that at the end he makes the brazen assumption that those who walk, cycle or take public transport don’t pay tax.

    Julie Anne Genter: Does the Minister understand that duplicating motorways to the Kāpiti coast or Wellsford does nothing to alleviate serious congestion in our city centres—in fact, according to the New Zealand Transport Agency, they make congestion worse—whereas investing in smart projects like walking and cycling to school take cars off the road, eases congestion, and improves public health?

    Hon GERRY BROWNLEE: It also very seriously inconveniences the people who pay for those roads, and their commitment to these projects will be seen at the ballot box.

    Fuck you Brownlee, I pay tax too.
    My tax is paying for these stupid roads and I’d like to see much more of it be spent on public transport, cycle ways & improving life for pedestrians.

    There are a bunch of my colleagues who also walk/cycle to my workplace in Newmarket & many more who take public transport.

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