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National MP Jian Yang was investigated by SIS for possible ties to Chinese Government

Written By: - Date published: 2:04 pm, September 13th, 2017 - 168 comments
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As if this campaign was not weird enough.  Newsroom and the Financial Times have broken a story confirming that National MP Jian Yang was educated in a Chinese University that concentrated on training Chinese spies and he was investigated by the SIS for his Chinese Government links.

From Newsroom:

A National Party MP who studied at an elite Chinese spy school before moving to New Zealand has attracted the interest of our Security Intelligence Service.

The list MP Jian Yang did not mention in his work or political CVs a decade he spent in the People’s Liberation Army-Air Force Engineering College or the Luoyang language institute run by China’s equivalent of the United States National Security Agency.

That agency, the Third Department, conducts spying activities for China.

Newsroom has been told that to have taught at the Air Force Engineering College, Yang would have almost certainly been an officer in Chinese military intelligence and a member of the Communist Party, as other students and staff have been.

Yang studied and then taught there before moving to Australia where he attended the Australian National University in Canberra. He migrated to this country to teach international relations in the politics department at the University of Auckland.

He was hand-picked by National Party president Peter Goodfellow to become an MP on its list in 2011, wooed directly by the former Prime Minister John Key and has been a key fundraiser for National among the Chinese community in Auckland.

As an MP he variously served on Parliament’s Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade (from 2014 until last year), Commerce, Transport and Industrial Relations and Health and Science select committees and is prominent in New Zealand’s interactions with the Chinese community and diplomatic and consular missions in Wellington and Auckland. He remains a Parliamentary Private Secretary for ethnic affairs.

There are lots and lots and lots of questions surrounding this story and questions about what John Key and Bill English knew about Yang’s background.  They must have been briefed by the SIS on this.  And this will not blow over in a couple of days.

Strange times …

168 comments on “National MP Jian Yang was investigated by SIS for possible ties to Chinese Government ”

  1. savenz 1

    China has been screwed by the West during it’s history. With 5 eyes spying on everyone, I guess a wise counter move to have Chinese individuals being in parliament to spy on the spys. Shows how pointless all this spying is. Give Groser a bottle of wine and you could get all NZ secrets and a binding trade agreement in your favour to boot.

    Under National our international reputation is shot. We are now the land of yokel farmers run by corrupt blokes with not too many brains up top, giving away assets that will be very valuable in the future.

  2. greywarshark 2

    What’s wrong with having an ex- diplomat from China as one of our MPs? We may find that we have an Australian in there somewhere. China is a close ally and I suppose this Chinese person has nationalised or he couldn’t be in the National Party.

    • billmurray 2.1

      greywarshark:
      I agree, this attack on Jian Zhang is horse shit.
      FFS can we please move on?.

      • mickysavage 2.1.1

        Woa, allegation that a Parliamentarian may be a spy and you think no questions should be asked?

        • billmurray 2.1.1.1

          Mickey Savage:
          The questions did happen,
          Horseshit was proved.
          Lets move on.
          No wonder you did not get chosen for Labour.
          A pratish comment.
          FFS grow up.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1.2

          Read what Idiot Savant says on that topic: the allegation is irrefutable, the timing suspicious.

          • billmurray 2.1.1.2.1

            One Anonymous Bloke,
            we have rats in our attic.
            Wife, we don’t have a attic.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1.2.1.1

              As I/S put it:

              It’s like calling someone a meat-suit-wearing demon or a witch: any evidence to the contrary can (and will) just be viewed as another layer of deception. There’s just no way of ever overcoming it.

              • Sanctuary

                Or, he is a Chinese spy.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  What would exonerate him in your eyes?

                  • Sanctuary

                    Nothing. Like Caesar’s wife, our MPs loyalty must always be beyond question. His failure to reveal his years working for Chinese military intelligence demands his immediate expulsion from the house.

                    • halfcrown

                      Agree with that 100%, Sanctuary

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Except National just released a cv from 2012 which mentions it.

                      So he didn’t fail to reveal it. So I’ll ask you again: what would convince you he isn’t a spy?

                    • mpledger

                      In Australia he wouldn’t have been allowed to be in the federal govt because he wasn’t born there.

                      I’m not that hung up of needing to be born in a country to be in parliament because in NZ something like 1 in 4 weren’t born here *but* I don’t want people from spy organisations to be in parliament whether they are CIA or MI6.

                      NZers are just way too trusting.

                    • Tuppence Shrewsbury

                      And yet those same standards don’t apply to any member of the socialists or left leaning parliamentary parties observed by the state intelligence services?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      @Tuppence – there are certainly one or two here who should never be considered for jury duty.

                    • And yet those same standards don’t apply to any member of the socialists or left leaning parliamentary parties observed by the state intelligence services?

                      I presume they do. Can you point out which of them spent a decade at a CCP spy school?

                    • Ken

                      Sanctuary you are correct.

        • francesca 2.1.1.3

          A Chinese spy in the house?A sleeper?
          Its all right, he’s not Russian

    • What’s wrong with having an ex- diplomat from China as one of our MPs?

      Because they have a tendency to do what’s best for their home country and not what’s best for NZ.

      China is a close ally

      No, they are not.

    • Keepcalmcarryon 2.3

      China is not a close ally, what planet do you live on greyrawshark?

      • Unicus 2.3.1

        Ally ! – in your dreams

        The Chinese are following the same path the Japanese did in WW2 they called it then “The sphere of co-prosperity” The difference is the Japanese sent in the battleships and infantry first . The Chinese the other way round in my reckoning.

        How much for a seat in your caucus Mr Key ? – our government will pay –

  3. Wonderpup 3

    This has made me wonder about how many MPs have signed something like the Official Information Act, and can’t legally discuss their activities. I’m sure this guy is in the same spot. People who have been in the armed forces in other countries. Does this make them liable to pressure from those other nations? Would excluding them lead to a lack of the wide experience and background you want in MPs?

    This particular story has the potential to raise a nationalist backlash that could be really unpredictable.

  4. They certainly get around , these chaps , don’t they ,… nice key positions, I must say…
    …………………………………..
    … ” He was hand-picked by National Party president Peter Goodfellow to become an MP on its list in 2011, wooed directly by the former Prime Minister John Key and has been a key fundraiser for National among the Chinese community in Auckland ” …
    …………………………………..

    And seems to validate Bryan Bruce’s documentary ‘Who Owns NZ Now?’ even that bit more with Nationals peculiar stance towards Chinese interests in New Zealand.

    The Falun Gong are a peaceful people , yet they were / still are imprisoned , tortured , murdered and harassed by the Chinese govt. When the Chinese PM arrived with his motorcades and body guards and NZ police escorts and stayed at a particular Auckland hotel , about 200 Falun Gong protester’s of all age groups gathered about 200 meters away.

    Obviously that was as far as they were allowed to get.

    They were not vocal , just standing with a few placards. That was all.

    Then , lo and behold , up marches around 30 NZ police in military formation , who then proceeded to stand among them between their ‘ranks’.

    It was so ironic that a peaceful people who stood up for democracy in their homeland and still had family being oppressed and who had had family and friends murdered , tortured , imprisoned and their womenfolk raped ,… were being intimidated by a modern so – called western democratic nations police force to protect a country whose human rights record is one of the worst on record.

    And all that , … just so that arse lickers like Jon Key and Judith Collins could slime up to the Chinese govt to gain a few more grains of rice from under the Chinese govts table.

  5. Pete 5

    Jian Zhang says, “I have been nothing but upfront and transparent about my education and employment.”

    In that party they are always upfront and proud of it. You know Bill English of Clutha fame , “Upfront, open and transparent” and Paula Bennett, “upfront and honest” …

  6. Stuart Munro 6

    Espiocrats – even worse than kleptocrats. Robespierre, Beria, Bush, Putin…

  7. Ethica 7

    Not just a diplomat. A spy. Also a major fundraiser and vote deliverer for National, handpicked by President Goodfellow.
    Shades of Trump and Putin coming into this election now.

    • greywarshark 7.1

      How do you, what do you, know about him a a fundraiser. Sounds as if he is a replacement for the Exclusive Brethren that were on side with National last time, with flyer deliveries if not more.

      • the pigman 7.1.1

        I suppose you could always read and watch the excellent Newsroom investigation if you were interested in facts?

        The arm of the Left that refuses to think critically about how and why overseas interests gets served by governments because that would be “racist” is truly irredeemable.

        Even bloody Stephen Franks got it on the Panel today.
        Josie Pagani, on the other hand, “oh well China are a member of the UN and the ILO so he can’t be a spy! By the way I am doing an international law course at uni right now!”

  8. mary_a 8

    To be an MP in this country, NZ citizenship is required, so I guess Dr Yang is a NZ citizen, having forfeited his Chinese citizenship. Or is duel NZ/Chinese citizenship allowed?

    However his past work history in China is likely to raise some questions here.

    • Or is duel NZ/Chinese citizenship allowed?

      Dual citizenship is allowed. IIRC, it never used to be but Labour had a candidate that was going to lose his position as he was about to get dual citizenship with another country and so they changed the law. I was, and still am, pissed off about that.

      • alwyn 8.1.1

        Dual citizenship was always allowed. It was taking the citizenship of another country while you were an MP that was forbidden.
        That is what Harry Duynhoven did. He applied for and took Dutch citizenship.
        A friend of mine, a lawyer and a QC, said to me that in his, admittedly cursory, reading of the Act, Duynhoven had forfeited his seat at the moment he took the Dutch citizenship and the effect of the Labour Government actions was to appoint a new member to an electorate seat.

        • Draco T Bastard 8.1.1.1

          Dual citizenship was always allowed. It was taking the citizenship of another country while you were an MP that was forbidden.
          That is what Harry Duynhoven did. He applied for and took Dutch citizenship.

          Thanks for the clarification.

          A friend of mine, a lawyer and a QC, said to me that in his, admittedly cursory, reading of the Act, Duynhoven had forfeited his seat at the moment he took the Dutch citizenship and the effect of the Labour Government actions was to appoint a new member to an electorate seat.

          Which should have been illegal. It was most definitely immoral.

          Governments don’t get to appoint representatives for very good reasons.

        • Whispering Kate 8.1.1.2

          Alwyn – when I married my UK partner here in NZ I was given the opportunity of taking up UK citizenship and passport but it was on the proviso I gave up my NZ citizenship, as I had already had an OE on my NZ passport I was not at all inclined to relinquish it. So for all these years it has been so – I still hold a NZ passport. My partner did in the end obtain NZ citizenship but he still has had the luxury of dual-citizenship.

          I may be able to go ahead with dual-citizenship now but I can assure you that was not the case in 1972, here in NZ.

          • alwyn 8.1.1.2.1

            I think what happened to you was probably a vagary of UK rather than New Zealand law. It may have been related to being in New Zealand at the time you got married. I wouldn’t know about their rules.
            However New Zealand has always allowed dual citizenship.

            If you have a look at this link in the bit under dual citizenship and renunciation of citizenship.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_nationality_law
            This has applied since 1949. I know several people who got British citizenship during the period you are talking about without having to surrender their New Zealand citizenship or passport. The difference was that they were in the UK at the time, and they got it through their parents or grand parents having been born there.
            If you look at the renunciation bit you will find that you would have been unable to renounce your New Zealand citizenship anyway until AFTER you had the British version. You can’t become stateless, even for a moment.

  9. Siobhan 9

    Out of general curiosity I just clicked the National Party/Profile link on his suitably vague wikipedia page…

    404 Error. That page was not found.
    The page you were looking for was not found. That’s all we know.

    ‘That’s all we know’…cute.

  10. joe90 10

    Mr Jian Yang says talk to my boss, talk to my boss, declares he has nothing to hide, but he won’t answer questions. And bolts.

    National MP Jian Yang studied at a top Chinese spy school before moving to NZ. 🎥🗞 Melanie Reid, Mark Jennings https://t.co/2chENsEhal pic.twitter.com/FaqF6EKU4w— Newsroom (@NewsroomNZ) September 13, 2017

    • mary_a 10.1

      joe90 @ (10) … now which boss would that be? Bill English? Or his boss in the Chinese government?

  11. alwyn 11

    Well, we can certainly see that the left are getting desperate.
    Meet Micky Savage, New Zealand’s own version of Joe McCarthy.
    President Eisenhower’s gave the best comment about McCarthy. I believe it applies just as much to you.
    “I will not get in the gutter with that guy.”

    • One Anonymous Bloke 11.1

      Well, we can certainly see that you think “the Left” is some kind of hive mind, and you’re delusional, because I agree: this is straight out of the gutter.

      • alwyn 11.1.1

        Yeah. Well I was going to put something other than “the left” that was rather more specific but I thought it might get me banned, and I would hate to miss the last couple of weeks of the most fascinating election campaign I can remember.
        So no. I don’t really think there is a hive mentality.

    • CraigGlenEden 11.2

      Well there is more unanswered question in here than a working Paaaartaay on Tax.

    • billmurray 11.3

      aiwyn,
      Well said, A prat is always shown up in times of stress.
      A strong even person stays strong and even.
      The stress is put aside.

    • roy cartland 11.4

      Nah. NZF isn’t really Left, and this is more their thing. Us-vs-them, asian invasion, etc.

    • Somehow, I don’t think Eisenhower would have regarded investigating someone who’d spent years at a Chinese Communist Party spy school as “getting in the gutter.”

      • One Anonymous Bloke 11.5.1

        He was investigated. That would have been some time ago. Funny how it’s just being reported now. I wonder who’s below him on the list.

        • Psycho Milt 11.5.1.1

          Funny how it’s just being reported now.

          Funny indeed. Suggests National sat on it, assuming SIS secrecy rules would prevent the media finding out about it. Always a stupid assumption.

          You could say that of course they didn’t want to put the info out there themselves, because who’s going to want to elect to the NZ Parliament a guy who spent years at a Chinese Communist Party spy school? But hat’s irrelevant – you bet lots of us don’t want to put someone with that history into government, and if we’re about to we have a right to know about it. Fucking stupid of National to try and just slip it past us without mentioning it.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 11.5.1.1.1

            I’m picking someone lower down their list wants him gone.

            • Psycho Milt 11.5.1.1.1.1

              Wouldn’t be surprised, in fact you could easily picture low-ranked Nat list MPs paying Simon Lusk for exactly that kind of advice on how to improve their ranking.

            • alwyn 11.5.1.1.1.2

              I would think that this investigation was probably reported to Parliaments Intelligence and Security Committee.
              One of the members, by statute, is the Leader of the Opposition. What has Jacinda been up to? Or was it Andrew, her predecessor on the committee.
              An alternative is another member of the Committee who is, surprise, surprise, The Right Honourable Winston Peters.
              I would suspect that the leak has come from one of those two. They would know and would have an interest in smearing a National MP.

              • mickysavage

                Good question it is very likely that only the speaker and the SIS ministers knew about the allegation. Any proof anyone else knew? Otherwise stop smearing.

                • alwyn

                  Pray tell me. What do you think that the Committee is for?
                  I think that it would have been briefed. The oversight of the agencies is what it is for after all.
                  Of course no Government has ever allowed us to know the full details.
                  You will have noted in the legislation that the agencies are required to provide information about their activities to the Leader of the Opposition.
                  Do you have any proof of you proposal?
                  Let me put it this way. It is a great deal more likely that they were briefed that that some low level list candidate from the National Party both knew about it and leaked it as some of the more hyper contributors to this post are suggesting.

                  • Anne

                    Bullshit.

                    As far as I’m aware the SIS provide their minister, who happens to be Chris Findlayson, with the information. Out of courtesy they probably also inform the PM of the day. If it is ultra sensitive they may not inform anyone else. It would then be up to the minister and PM what they do with the information. There is no guarantee they are going to pass it on to the committee. They should of course, but this govt. has proven to be a law unto itself and has little regard for protocol when it doesn’t suit them.

                    As for the “low level list candidate”. He is a National Party MP and almost certainly was passing on information about personnel and activities meant only for the perusal of the committee members and perhaps the ‘Five Eye’ nations.

                    In my book that is a treasonable offence.

      • WILD KATIPO 11.5.2

        Yes,… if Eisenhower’s farewell speech is anything to go by , he was quite concerned at the undemocratic ideology he felt he had to guard against , – aka the former Soviet Union.

        My how times have changed,… now we have far right wing nut jobs like alwyn and billmurray protecting and sticking up for the communists ,- and accusing people of the left as being fascists !!!

        L00L !

        • alwyn 11.5.2.1

          Have you ever actually read his farewell speech?
          I suggest you do so again if you once did read it.
          Even the Green Party would applaud such sentiments as
          “you and I, and our government — must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow”.
          The main theme wasn’t Russia. It was the fear of the Military-Industrial complex in the US.
          Here it is. Read it right through won’t you.
          http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/dwightdeisenhowerfarewell.html

          • WILD KATIPO 11.5.2.1.1

            Yes , alwyn ,… we already KNOW it was talking about the military industrial complex as a central theme towards the end,… ….but before that he was making obvious pointed observations of an evil foreign and undemocratic ideology ( which in some aspects suits both scenarios I will admit ) ,… and that , at the time , was during the early Cold War ( which as we all know went on to come to full fruition with the Kennedy era Cuban missile crisis) .

            As an aside , …. its interesting you chose to quote :

            “you and I, and our government — must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow”.

            Now , what current New Zealand Govt does that remind you of ?…

            With its dirty waterways and mad rush to maximize land use and water resources for maximum profit at the expense of the environment?…

            • In Vino 11.5.2.1.1.1

              Yes Alwyn, and those who have studied history know what a conflict exists between what Eisenhower preached and what he actually did.

    • And whats wrong with calling a bunch of Chinaphiles like National and their surreptitious Chinese spy plants for what they are, – as in sell outs of our national security and sovereignty ?

      PS:

      Soon you will be relieved from all the pain.

      And that dreaded thing you hate most , – public awareness of crony capitalism will be front and foremost. They say ,… a pus filled boil is far less painful when lanced than left to fester. And then when laws are passed to prevent foreign speculation on our housing markets,… those responsible for wrecking our young peoples chances of ever owning thier own homes will be revealed also.

      Happy days.

    • mickysavage 11.7

      Its not my story. The Financial Times and Newsroom deemed it important. Are you suggesting that this site should make no comment whatsoever about it?

  12. simonm 12

    To everyone who thinks it’s fine to have a Chinese government spy in the New Zealand Parliament, ask yourself if it would be OK if the situation were reversed. Would the Chinese Communist Party be happy to have a New Zealand spy in their ranks?
    No, they’d be taken outside and shot at the first opportunity. China, as many people forget, is a nasty authoritarian dictatorship that continues to commit gross human rights violations and ruthlessly crush any dissent from CCP rule.

    National’s “Blue Dragons” essentially function as the New Zealand branch of the Chinese Communist Party. As they grow in political influence we can look forward to greater lobbying to sell NZ land and residential property to Chinese interests; further campaigning for NZ to adopt China’s viewpoint on its illegal South China Sea grab; and increased pressure for the NZ leadership to avoid meeting with the Dalai Lama and discussing Tibet or developing relations with Taiwan.

    If New Zealand wishes to retain any semblance of being a liberal democracy, it should stand up to China on issues where it acts illegally and immorally, rather than acquiescing to all of its demands in order to sell more dairy products.

    • greywarshark 12.1

      Same goes for the USA.

      • simonm 12.1.1

        Yep. But Americans still can and do call Donald Trump an arsehole in public without consequence.

        Try doing the same with Xi Jinping if you’re Chinese. It’s only a matter of hours before you’ll be executed and your family jailed for life. Or you’ll have your organs harvested for transplants to high-ranking Communist Party officials.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Xiaobo

    • .. ” Would the Chinese Communist Party be happy to have a New Zealand spy in their ranks? ” …

      Well , judging by the official ‘ concerned ‘ response of the Chinese govt when John Keys govt was caught red handed spying for the USA via the 5 eyes spy agreement ,… most definitely not.

      But this is ‘ bend over forwards’ NZ , mate … we’ve got our pants down and open for anybody.

    • Would the Chinese Communist Party be happy to have a New Zealand spy in their ranks?

      I wonder if a NZ born person with dual citizenship could even get into the Communist Party there.

      If New Zealand wishes to retain any semblance of being a liberal democracy, it should stand up to China on issues where it acts illegally and immorally, rather than acquiescing to all of its demands in order to sell more dairy products.

      QFT

      • simonm 12.3.1

        Chinese citizens cannot hold dual nationality. In order to take citizenship in another country, they must renounce their Chinese citizenship. This is why many Chinese people in NZ prefer to remain as permanent residents rather than taking NZ citizenship. Not Dr Yang though – he holds a NZ passport.

    • Melanie Scott 12.4

      Agreed, but we are a very small country and having let the Trojan horse in so far, we have made it hard to reverse policies in this context. Our government has placed NZ in a very parlous situation. Knowingly allowing a member of the Peoples’ Liberation Army (or as a friend of mine who worked in China at the time of Tianamen Square calles them, the Peoplles’ Liquidation Army) to become an elected member of Parliament is most unfortunate to say the least. How cynical is this government?

  13. Anne 13

    How did Newsroom get to hear about the SIS’s interest in this fellow Jian Yang?

    Operational matters are strictly top secret. Somebody must have pimped.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1

      This is at least the second political ‘hit’ they’ve been involved in, the other being the attack on Winston Peters.

      • Anne 13.1.1

        Who said it was the SIS who leaked the information about Peters? Somebody in DSW leaked the info. to the ministers and the Nat’s DP machine took it from there. It’s obvious. The DSW will deny it of course.

    • Yep ,… pimping s all the fashion these days , – they learned good from C.Slater and his Daddy’s Nat party colleagues just how to do it .

  14. Sanctuary 14

    Read the newsroom story. Of course he is a spy, anyone who concludes differently is a gullible fool. Things like the planting and introduction to people like Peter Goodfellow of big spenders like Jian Yang who just so happened to have spent 16 years training as a spy (and never got around to mentioning it) don’t happen by chance when the aggrandizing Chinese Communist Party is involved.

    • Anne 14.1

      Of course he is a spy,…

      With a background like that there’s no way he couldn’t be a spy. 😀

  15. lurgee 15

    Last night’s poll revealed the loons who masquerade as members of the left; perhaps this story will reveal some of the racist bigots.

    Reeks of Dirty politics to me.

    • L0L !… The inverted ‘race’ card , eh , Lurk?

      A not so subtle or opaque way to use sanctimonious falsehood and ignoble aesthetics to achieve ones own pecuniary gains , eh?

      Yeah , we’ve had 33 years of that sort of droll lie.

      And most people get the punchline the first time they heard it.

      You know ,… the one about the neo liberal joke.

      New Right Fight – Who are the New Right?
      http://www.newrightfight.co.nz/pageA.html

      • lurgee 15.1.1

        I don’t think the left are immune to racism.

        • WILD KATIPO 15.1.1.1

          But they ARE on the whole immune from using the race issue sanctimoniously to advance their pecuniary interests , – unlike the far right who feign morals and values to achieve their objectives , – then happily dump those same values and moral when they are no longer needed.

          • lurgee 15.1.1.1.1

            Who’s using the race issue sanctimoniously to advance their pecuniary interests on this thread? Why are you jabbering about this? It seems irrelevant.

            Though – for what it’s worth – I think more than a few lefties have used the race issue sanctimoniously to advance their pecuniary interests. It’s called employment in academe.

            • WILD KATIPO 15.1.1.1.1.1

              Kauri swamp logs ring a bell ?

              Water deals ?… and that gnasty tax Jacinda is thinking of slapping on bottled water to make foreign owned company’s pay their fair share in using OUR water ?

              And what was that thing about a $100,000.00 fictitious bottle of wine and donations to the Labour party by a particular Chinese businessman a few years back ?

              It seems either you have a poor memory , are new to NZ politics , – or deliberately selective in what you choose to recall.

              Seems to be quite a problem within the National party ,.. from Mr Key forgetting texts he made the same day , … to Mr English forgetting if he knew about a particular tape recording…

              A lot like a lot of other issues which could be mentioned whenever National party senior ministers have been caught out ,… the dreaded amnesia seems to automatically kick in. And these guys are running a country ?!!?… thank goodness they will soon be gone.

              • lurgee

                You’re rambling off down some obscure and fairly irrelevant by-way. Try to stay on topic.

                • Yes Mod.

                  Please Mod,…may I use recent historical examples to illustrate my point about govt corruption or could that be too potentially embarrassing to those I think are desperate political hypocrites seeking to win another election to carry on their skulduggery?

                  Yep , lurkie , … that’s the great thing about being a center left nationalist who believes in social democracy with a Keynesian based economic system… its hell on the neo liberals and globalists. Got em all f@cked. No matter which way they try to spin it.

                  Happy days.

  16. Et Tu Brute 16

    I’m sure the story will be clearer after a few days. But Newsroom says he didn’t mention this on his CV. In fact two periods at the university are mentioned on his CV which has been online since 2012. The SIS investigation on the face of it looks serious, but they do investigate a lot of people. They would note be doing their jobs if they didn’t investigate him. So until more comes out, this story is just ‘blah’.

  17. tsmithfield 17

    The list MP Jian Yang did not mention in his work or political CVs a decade he spent in the People’s Liberation Army-Air Force Engineering College or the Luoyang language institute run by China’s equivalent of the United States National Security Agency.

    The statement above has proven to be completely wrong as English has released his CV to the media which clearly discloses his time at the Army-Air Force Engineering College.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96800358/national-mp-jian-yang-slams-defamatory-claim-he-was-trained-by-chinese-spies

    Not a very good spy if he can’t cover up those apparently incriminating details.

    What a load of nonsense.

    • Awww… lets just be a little more soft hearted , then eh?

      Why not have a few more Russian and Israelis spy’s,… throw in a few from North Korea or Iran ,… hell !…. why not go the whole hog and have a whole wing of parliament dedicated to ‘ ex’ spys from every country round the globe?

      And why not ?… this is New Zealand , mate , and were known as the happy down trou forward benders internationally already because of National.

      Holy Roly , – We’re even called NZ Inc on the Wall Street Stock market ! So lets go all open slather !

      • lurgee 17.1.1

        Your evidence of him being a spy is about as robust as your evidence of Reid Research faking their polls.

        That means it isn’t very robust, in case you were wondering.

        Are you a rightwing sock puppet employed to make this place look silly?

        I can suggest that because I’m applying your own rules of evidence – just make it up if you want to.

        • WILD KATIPO 17.1.1.1

          You are assuming I said he was,… in fact if you read it correctly I’m implying that this whole National party fixation with Chinese business interests leads to this sort of thing.

          Also ,… the peculiar schizophrenia from National about having imbalanced trade relations , – indeed a Free Trade Deal with China on the one hand , – and on the other , – merrily spying away for the USA on China with the other hand.

          Rather duplicitous of them , don’t you think?

          And just as Bryan Bruce’s documentary ‘Who Owns NZ Now?’ demonstrates National party lies and duplicity , this latest simply shores up what most of us have suspected all along.

          We have a lying , corrupt National party government comprised of individuals who have only collected governmental salary’s at the tax payers expense to forward their own vested interests, – and thankfully soon to be gone.

          Now then,… that doesn’t really seem all that too sock puppety , … does it now.

          • lurgee 17.1.1.1.1

            You weren’t calling him a spy? Sorry, must have misunderstood what you meant when you posted, “whats wrong with calling a bunch of Chinaphiles like National and their surreptitious Chinese spy plants for what they are.” What ‘spy plants’ are you referring to?

            Beyond that, I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. I doubt you do either.

            • WILD KATIPO 17.1.1.1.1.1

              That’s right , – and what indeed is wrong with calling them that?

              As they may or may not be,… but going on past performance with Nationals lies involving two recent Prime Ministers ?

              I think there’s a fairly strong case for them ( Nats ) to answer for.

              Don’t you?

              • lurgee

                So, when you weren’t calling him a spy, you were calling him a spy?

                What does 2 + 2 equal in your world? 5, or 3?

                • Muttonbird

                  I don’t think this clown is a threat but does it not concern you that the country he comes from instructs him to lie on application forms, and indeed has no democracy whatsoever?

                  Or are you one of these RWNJs who don’t have an issue with corruption in NZ until it gets to African levels?

                  • lurgee

                    Has it been proven that he lied? As far as I can make out, not much has been confirmed, just lots of Dirty Politics swirling round the pan.

                    I refused to vote Labour in 2008, and haven’t voted for them since, due to Clark’s pursuit of a FTA with China. Work it out for yourself.

                    • Muttonbird

                      He admitted to lying and hid behind the Chinese ‘system’.

                      I’ve worked it out alright. You voted for Key three times as ‘punishment’. People like you disgust me and if there is a change in government I’ll laugh hardest and longest at you.

                    • lurgee

                      I voted for Key three times? What is your source for this information?

      • halfcrown 17.1.2

        Nice one Wild

    • Stuart Munro 17.2

      Even Karla had a little drummer girl. It’s hard to have a perfect backstory – life gets in the way.

  18. Sanctuary 18

    Why is anyone surprised such a spy might pop up? A specialist in human intelligence, inserted as a swanky successful Chinese businessman, he “happens” to attract the immediate attention of two starry eyed money worshippers in John Key and Peter Goodfellow, and it just so “happens” he is of like mind to that pair of rapacious Nats with $$$ in their eyes, and he donates lots.

    Having greased the palms, he gets into parliament as a low profile list MP. The local Chinese know whats up. They are falling over themselves to ingratiate themselves as loyal Blue Dragons with the guy who clearly reports to Beijing.

    Spies are not like James Bond. Spies do stuff like prepare inside information and work out who did and said what where. New Zealand is a key five eyes partner of the United States. Having a spy sitting in the caucus of the governing party, feeding back character assessments, foibles, weaknesses, power dynamics etc etc etc would be gold, especially when the Chinese know that how our well profiled politicians react to an issue that is informed by five eyes intelligence would provide a good guide to how the wider five eyes alliance is swallowing a story, or what it knows, or otherwise.

    • Anne 18.1

      Precisely Sanctuary – a text book analysis of your typical foreign spy. He won’t be the only one in NZ and God only knows how many there are in Aussie. That he made it into parliament so easily is testament to the naivety of the governing party – unless they’re in on a deal with the Chinese government. They do have a penchant for doing deals. Eg. Judith Collins.

      • Sanctuary 18.1.1

        “…That he made it into parliament so easily is testament to the naivety of the governing party…”

        I think National are particularly vulnerable to wealth, because they worship money like a God. But that is how honey traps work. You bait the trap with what the target likes. We’d be fools if we didn’t think they’d try a profile more suited to the left if Labour was in power and looking like staying there for a decade.

        The wide-eyed credulity of the National party and the money hungry right like Jenny Shipley has a mirror on the left, because they share with the wider public a general naivety and a refusal to believe that anyone might want to hurt us, covert what we’ve got or plan to do us harm. New Zealanders think to know us is to love us, we are harmless lovable outdoors types that everyone likes.

        The right thinks that if we behave like a reliable and slightly stupid Labrador, and the left think that if we preach internationalism and send a Hercules to disaster areas then we’ll be left alone.

        But people do want what we’ve got. We do have enemies – we are a member of the five eyes, we regularly take part in the policing of the Anglo-Saxon global empire, we do have those who covet what is ours for themselves.

        • Anne 18.1.1.1

          I think National are particularly vulnerable to wealth, because they worship money like a God. But that is how honey traps work….

          And didn’t it work a treat! Of course he’s been rendered inoperative now so expect we will see him ‘moving on’ before too many months/years have passed.

          • halfcrown 18.1.1.1.1

            Shit Anne you and Sanctuary have really got the handle on this one.
            Very good well thought out opinions

        • ropata 18.1.1.3

          Well put Sanc.

          Growing evidence of what was suspected all along. Nats *are* bankrolled and heavily influenced by a foreign power. Explains a lot…

          Bill Liu, money laundering, foreign speculators, gambling, Oravida, etc etc ad nauseam

          It is not xenophobia. NZ is the target of textbook political subversion and propaganda.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 18.2

      Idiot Savant hit the nail on the head. First the verdict, then the trial.

  19. Andre 19

    I wouldn’t want someone trained at West Point or any other substantial connection to the US security apparatus as an MP here. And I’m US/NZ dual national. Similarly, close connections to the DGSE or Mi6 or any other foregn security should be enough to remove anyone from consideration as a candidate for Parliament.

    So I’m freshly surprised at how careless with NZ’s future National have been by putting this guy on their list in a high enough place to get him into Parliament.

    • And here I was ging to run for office once I got citizenship. As far as my former colleague Jian is concerned–I reserve judgement. His career prior to arrival in NZ has certain parallels to my own, and I am not, as far as I checked, a “spy.” What the SIS needs to do is confirm his status because now that it is being questioned in public there is no point in keeping the information confidential for operational reasons.

      • Andre 19.1.1

        Gotta admit, were you to run for Parliament here, it would provoke a lot of soul-searching on my part about making exceptions to general principles. Because I value the work you have done using your background to show another view on international events. Which would bring a valuable perspective to parliament. But in the end, if it were to come down to it, probably the general principle would prevail for me. Sorry.

        But I’m not aware of any instances of Dr Yang helping inform the public debate using his background. By contrast, his public activities with groups like the Blue Dragons raises further questions around where his motivations and allegiances really lie.

        • Paul G. Buchanan 19.1.1.1

          Ha Ha, you got me there. I once asked Jian after he was in parliament if the Nats were using his expertise (since he has authored several good (objective) books and articles about Chinese foreign policy in the South Pacific). He laughed and said something to the effect of “no, they just use me to raise money from the Chinese and to sit on housing committe chin wags” (because he is a landlord in Auckland). He lamented to me the toll being an MP took on his family life, as he and his son live in Wellington while his wife and daughter live in Ak. Good cover story, I guess.

          But one measure of a human intel operator is that they react calmly and cooly to confrontations about their bona fides, be it from the media or others. Jian’s defensive reaction and the heavy handed PR exercise with that Ross wookie hovering over him (and ending the IV) indicates to me that he is more of a deer in the headlights than a seasoned humint professional. Perhaps that is the way the PRC works with its diaspora agents, but I think that his problems stem mostly from trying to hide his past association in order to get citizenship because he was scared that if he was truthful that he would be denied. As always, that was his error because it is the cover up that gets uncovered first, then the explaining has to begin and does not often suffice.

          I have heard that the source of the leak on his past came from another NZ academic. Professional rivalries coming home to roost perhaps? Who said that academics is all cheese and crackers?

          In any event, here is my take on things: http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2017/09/is-he-a-spy/

  20. mary_a 20

    And here, none other than Winston Peters is claiming the Labour party leaked the details about Yang, as retaliation for Natz saying the labour leader is a socialist activist! (This bit is about 3/4 down the page of the article).

    I trust Peters has some solid evidence to support his claim?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11921843

    • DSpare 20.1

      mary_a
      If anything, that Peters; “suggested”, that Labour might be involved in leaking Yang’s background to the media, suggests to me that NZF themselves might have been behind it. Though, on the basis that; whipping up a yellow peril furor during the election is clearly in the interests of this party, I already had suspicions in that direction.

      • alwyn 20.1.1

        It could be Labour or Winston.
        They both have members on Parliaments Intelligence and Security Committee and certainly would have been briefed on any such investigation.
        Take your pick. They both have an interest in smearing the current Government.

        • Anne 20.1.1.1

          Not necessarily. This one involves a National Party MP. Ultra sensitive. The SIS would have passed on the information to Findlayson as their minister – and the PM who was probably still John Key. The full committee may not have been informed of this particular investigation.

          Newsroom will never divulge who told them unless there is a formal inquiry.

        • Gabby 20.1.1.2

          Could be anyone lower on the list than he is couldn’t it alwy.

  21. adam 21

    I’ve been saying it for years, the national party is a front for communism….

  22. Robert Guyton 22

    “Yang said his students were simply monitoring communications, rather than carrying out “the physical act of spying”.

    “If you define those cadets or students as spies, then yes, I was teaching spies.”

    But Yang said he did not consider those students to be spies, personally. “They were collecting information.”

    Goodness gracious!

  23. Robert Guyton 23

    “I can understand [how] people can be concerned because they don’t understand the Chinese system. But once they understand the system they should be assured this is nothing, really, to be concerned about.”

    Crikey!

    • I vote “Totalitarian rule is nothing, really, to be concerned about” as most appropriate National Party motto for the current team.

    • Gristle 23.3

      For centuries the Chinese government has adhered to format of extra-territorialty where it has claimed jurisdiction over anybody of Chinese extraction anywhere in the world. The latest demonstration of this occurred last month in Fiji where 70 Chinese expats where rounded up by Chinese police and shipped back to China without any Fijian warrants or extraditions.

      The expectation from the Chinese government would be for Yang to be compliant to its requirements regardless of whether he had A NZ passport or a Chinese one.

      It’s just in this case Yang has been more heavily involved in the secret service (and this connection is still recent) than many other NZ Chinese.

      Goodfellow and Key were way to eager to enlist Yang.

  24. Tuppence Shrewsbury 24

    This has shades of dirty politics all over it.

  25. adam 25

    Stupid question, but didn’t he sit of the defense committee?

    And as such wouldn’t he be privileged to classified material?

    Would such material include 5 eyes material?

    What would that mean to our allies, if he did?

    • Adrian 25.1

      Yeah ,the Defence Committee for godsake, talk about positioning.
      This is seriously deficient on Nationals part. If this was UK or US there would be so much shit hitting the fans it would put Irma to shame.
      He’s a spy, he cannot avoid being a spy under the Chinese Government system to work there he must have been sworn in and you can’t walk away from those type of organisations.
      I bet Dimwit Bill is getting so much strife from the US over this he must be vulnerable
      to pressure and losing it in the next few days.

      • DSpare 25.1.1

        Seriously; the defense committee? That’s not in his wikipedia page; not that much is. The CV only says; “Member of Parliament”.

        [edit] I see it now – eyes must have glazed over at that point:

        As an MP he variously served on Parliament’s Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade (from 2014 until last year)…

        • Anne 25.1.1.1

          As an MP he variously served on Parliament’s Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade (from 2014 until last year)…

          The three most internationally sensitive portfolios.

          1) Did the SIS tell Findlayson/Key/English about their concerns re- Jian Yang?

          2) If so, did F/K/E ignore the SIS and do nothing about it or…

          3) Was he removed from the above committees but allowed to stay as a list member?

          3) Did this situation have any influence on Key’s sudden resignation?

          There’s a lot of question requiring answers and NZers are entitled to have those answers.

  26. Ross 26

    This has always been my favourite Bond song 🙂

  27. Ad 27

    He has to resign.

    Good media hit there.

    • Ross 27.1

      Nah he’s a Tory remember. His mates at the Politburo must’ve been in stitches when he told them that one of his colleagues got caught using a dictaphone. In New Zealand, Get Smart is a reality show. 🙂

  28. Heard Bill Talking To Donald on A meet-and-greet this arvo, lucky it’s not the duck shooting season…….

  29. carlite 29

    Maybe this is why we got such a crappy deal from TPPA?

    Also… if he was a spy… do you think he would admit to being one? If he did, that would make him the world’s worst spy.

  30. DSpare 30

    This from Bradbury was interesting (usual condiment recommendations apply):

    I met Jian Yang once in his role as the head of politics at Auckland University when I was applying for post graduate study and I was always surprised in my 20 minute interview with him that he knew more about who I was and my political activism than anyone else on campus. He asked me lots of questions that had bugger all to do with the study I wanted and far more focused on who I knew and what they were doing.

    The allegation that he might be a Chinese spy doesn’t surprise me at all.

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/09/13/so-nationals-blue-dragons-might-be-red-dragons-how-national-are-utterly-compromised-to-china/

  31. Ken 31

    Even if you can’t bring yourself to believe that The NZ national Party is in on this, you still have to accept that giving such a person as this access to our government is criminally negligent at the very least.

  32. Sabine 32

    in east germany these guys were called “informal informants”. anyone over 15 and below 90 was one, and equally had a file on them in the vast archives of the Stasi. It always goes both ways, i assume the same with this guy. How much family has he got left in China?

  33. david 33

    Dead cat. Classic.
    Curious to see who planted the story in the media. Plausible deniability.
    This could be the real story.
    Positive campaign?

  34. Stephen 34

    I read the story, then a lot of the comments. Of course I hesitate to comment because I am not anywhere near as educated or informed as all your writers and commenters. But as someone who clings to socialism and therefore is rather estranged from the modern, educated Labour Party, and as one still mired in the history of our country (again, educated people see that history no longer applies, no left, no right, no class etc ) I recall the efforts of the SIS against progressive workers – Bill Sutch, the trade union movement, the Vietnam war movement, Maori organisations – and I just can’t bring myself to trust them. And, naively, I think the infestation of our army, police, government departments, spy services, media and universities by your American masters of rather more threat to my country…but then, of course, it is not my country, it is yours….

    • francesca 34.1

      Agree with you, it may be an age thing,amongst those who remember the days of a more independent NZ, when our socialism was a source of pride. After the 80’s it became a risible notion

  35. mary_a 35

    Some doubt now over Yang’s citizenship application, re the name of the military institute he worked/taught at.

    Lies, spies and alibis!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922025

  36. DSpare 36

    I find Yang’s defense a bit unconvincing:

    Asked if he made a false declaration on his citizenship application, Yang said giving the name of “partnership” universities instead of the institutes he actually worked and studied at was not a false declaration and was required if he was to leave China.

    “It is not a false declaration. When I left China I was asked by the system to use my partnership universities. That is why I used those universities in applying for jobs, even [at] the University of Auckland.

    “That’s my CV. It is not that I am deliberately trying to cover-up. It’s because the system asked me to use the partner university. That is the reason,” Yang said.

    “When I left China I was told, basically, ‘use your partnership university’. And I did that. And ever since then, I stick with my partner university…

    The National Party released to media a CV it said was provided by Yang to New Zealand’s Embassy in China in 2012, as background for a visit. It included his time at the engineering university and language institute.

    “ever since then, I stick with my partner university”; except that in 2012 he didn’t. Concealing the truth because the “system” of a totalitarian state required you to, doesn’t really explain why he continued to do so in NZ when he was not subject to that system anymore. Until he became an MP, and had to provide a CV to the; New Zealand’s Embassy in China, who would presumably have the onground knowledge to be able to see through the ruse if he’d used the name of a partnership university.

    This still doesn’t prove that he is a spy of course, though English’s reassurance isn’t very reassuring: “I think from early on I’ve been aware that he had military training including military intelligence”. He “thinks [he’s] been aware”? Was “early on” before or after Yang became an MP?

    • ropata 36.1

      Yang is a NZ citizen but still says “I am Chinese”.

      Send the mole back to his political masters in Beijing

      • DSpare 36.1.1

        ropata
        Maybe he has dual citizenship? I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere if he does. He calls people examining his past a; “smear campaign” targeting him “just because I am Chinese”, but Pansy Wong was also a Chinese Nat, and I don’t recall her ever being called a spy (other things; yes, but not a spy).

        The above was supposed to be a reply to mary_a @ comment 35, that’s why my quote had no link. This guardian article is worth reading too, for an idea of how this looks from an overseas perspective:

        he became an MP, quoting China’s former Communist party leader, Deng Xiaoping, in his debut speech to parliament.

        “I don’t care if it is a white cat or a black cat,” the National party legislator said. “It’s a good cat as long as it catches mice.”

        On Wednesday Yang was battling claims not that he was a black or a white cat, but a Trojan horse…
        in a Chinese-language interview with the Financial Times, Yang reportedly asked repeatedly that information about his academic past in China be omitted from any article about him. “You don’t need to write too much about myself,” he reportedly said.

        In his six years as an MP for New Zealand’s ruling National party, Yang has been a vocal supporter of China’s Communist party.

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/13/china-born-new-zealand-mp-yang-jian-denies-being-a-spy

  37. Unicus 37

    This will and should have reverberations in every democratic country dealing with China .

    John Key has made it on to the international stage at last .

  38. Jessie Yang 38

    I am a Chinese, I don’t think MP Jian Yang is a spy or not,it is SIS’s job.But, He stayed in the China Army System at least 12 years ,and he also was a member of Communist Party, in my opinion he is not suitable for public service in NZ government or any western government. Every Chinese knows that Every Chinese in important position will be bribed or threaten by CCP and forced him to serve for MOTHERLAND.

  39. Graeme 39

    Dead man walking….

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922788

    Who’s the serious looking bloke standing behind him?

    • simonm 39.1

      Yeah. If Metiria Turei had to resign from parliament because she voted in the wrong electorate, Yang has got to go for falsifying his citizenship application. Having his citizenship revoked is not an unreasonable penalty for immigration fraud.

      Bloke attempting to look serious next smirking Simon Bridges is Chris Bishop, former tobacco lobbyist for Philip Morris and National List MP.

      • Graeme 39.1.1

        Bugga, granny’s changed the image / video, on an earlier one there was a tall, serious bloke standing at Jian Yang’s right shoulder. A cropped version in still on the home page.

  40. cleangreen 40

    Hey Mickey,

    I woke up to realise now that this NZ MP Jian Yang may be family of Yang Enterprises in USA who are snarled up in a voting fraud hacking case and is he trying this here now?

    See these clips and the testomony abour ‘Yang Enterprises.

    Fishy stuff may be connected?

    Eugene Curtis – Yang Enterprises election fraud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7R1_ixtlyc

    NZ MP Jian Yang – is he related to this family Yang Enterprises computer intelligence company carrying out voting fraud in USA?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7R1_ixtlyc

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/florida_election_stolen.html

    Updated December 21, 2004

    (2017/05/15 17:15) The Newest Breaking News … for global hacking waveWashington PostPutin Blames … of the young developer Jian-Yang’s octopus …

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