web analytics

National’s plan to screw workers some more

Written By: - Date published: 8:38 am, October 28th, 2011 - 89 comments
Categories: class war - Tags:

John Key has announced National’s employment policy and it’s all about making Kiwi workers pay.

It includes:

A partial return to youth rates.

Allow employers to opt out of Multi Employer Collective Agreements – this would mean the end of any industry bargaining and damage the negotiating power of many workers in areas including healthcare.

Remove the thirty day rule – currently new workers are covered by the collective agreement (if there is one on site) for the first thirty days (which means employers would be able to undermine workers.

Allow employers to deduct pay for low level industrial action.

Each of these moves damages union members’ negotiating power which in turn reduces the gains passed on to non-union workers.

We’re at a time in history in which unfettered business has brought our economy to a standstill. John Key’s plan is to make New Zealand’s workers pay for the greed of his peers. He’s a disgrace.

89 comments on “National’s plan to screw workers some more ”

  1. Blighty 1

    fuckers.

    Cutting wages, cutting our ability to bargain for higher wages.

    Making work less attractive for people on benefits

    • thejackal 1.1

      Why would any worker in their right mind vote for National? You would have to be stark raving made to support a policy that has increased the divide with Australia. So much for closing the gaps… National wants to make New Zealand a nation of slaves. John Key is a lying bastard!

      • KJT 1.1.1

        Any, New Zealander would have to be stark raving mad, or seriously misinformed, to vote National.

        Unfortunately we seem to be mushrooms. “Kept in the dark and fed on bullshit”.

      • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2

        National wants to make New Zealand a nation of slaves.

        Those of us who understand the authoritarian mindset already knew that. It’s obvious from their actions and policies that NAct think that everyone else should work to support them in the comfort and debauchery that they think they deserve.

    • Bazar 1.2

      “Making work less attractive for people on benefits”

      I love how you make that sound like work is optional, and that remaining on benefits is a valid lifestyle.

      • Uturn 1.2.1

        I don’t love how the claim that remaining on benefits is a not valid lifestyle has become an endorsement for slavery.

        “Any job is a good job”, without qualification of “any” is a thin slogan.

    • aerobubble 1.3

      National think we’ll grow! Any growth will be at inflation. Now is
      this their strategy? To talk up prospects and give themselves more
      movement, justifaction for austerity come they are prven wrong?
      But why then attack workers? Haven’t they seen the news, all
      over the world citizenz are gettin snarlly. This is more like
      68 than 86.

      So what drugs are National taking, don’t they know neo-liberals
      had an exit strategy, don’t they know it??? What complete
      plonkers.

  2. queenstfarmer 2

    All good things.

    Union critics don’t have much, if any, credibility on these matters any more (assuming they ever did), given their completely inaccurate end-of-the-world predictions about the 90 day trial period.

    • millsy 2.1

      So you want a low wage economy with unions placed in a legal straitjacket? and workers unable to bargain collectively and join unions as is their ILO right.

      Filthy rich farmers like you dont need to worry about this, though it will help because you will have a supply of cheap labour to treat like dirt and sack if you get sick of them, because lets face it, workers are expendable to people like you.

      Those on low pay and those who a vulnerable are going to be hit hard by this with lower wages and less conditions.

      Why do you begrudge unions and workers getting a decent wage. Why do you have to think that people in low wage jobs should have more money taken off them, and be barred from joining a union?

      • queenstfarmer 2.1.1

        So you want a low wage economy

        No.

        with unions placed in a legal straitjacket

        Everyone is in the “straitjacket” of the law. It’s about striking (no pun intended) an appropriate environment.

        lets face it, workers are expendable to people like you.

        You couldn’t be more wrong. I run my own small business (and have run/sold others). I desparately need my staff, and have always paid them well.

        Why do you begrudge unions and workers getting a decent wage

        I don’t begrudge workers anything (except the bad ones). Unions aren’t the problem, militant unionism is.

        • (NOT) queenstfarmer_20 years_from_now 2.1.1.1

          These days, all employers use leg-irons as provided by the law. It is about striking (pun intended) an appropriate environment.

          You couldn’t be more wrong. I run my own small business (and have run/sold others). I desparately need my staff, and have I never beaten them.

          I don’t begrudge workers anything. I am a good employer. Unlike most, I don’t enforce my seigneurial right to de-flower their virgin daughters.

          [lprent: I disapprove of identity hijacking on the basis that it is a pain in the arse for moderation.

          But you did pick a different handle, it is amusing, and qsf hasn’t objected too much so I’ll leave it in this once. I have enhanced the handle to make it clear who it isn’t.

          However if I see repeats or copycats, then I’m afraid the perpetrators are for a ban until after the election. Decide if you want to be locked out of the discussion. ]

          • queenstfarmer 2.1.1.1.1

            🙂

            Totally wrong, but funny.

          • Lanthanide 2.1.1.1.2

            I don’t know that anyone would confuse these or think it was an identity hijack.

            Having said that, it’d probably better to retain your usual name and simply put the future persona in the comment content.

        • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.2

          Militant corporatocracy is the problem. Where you have Government working for bg business and not for the people.

          • aerobubble 2.1.1.2.1

            Not sure National are smart enough to keep up with the
            needs of the militrary industrial complex who
            desperately want more energy alternatives so they
            can maintain a energy advantage after peak oil.
            Sorry, but National serve property speculators
            an they earn thier money selling off Nz and
            borrowing from foreigners using NZ as collateral

        • Jum 2.1.1.3

          queenstfarmer,

          ‘I desparately need my staff,’ Would that be ‘disparately’ as in divide (and rule) staff or ‘desperately’ as in needing staff and willing to pay them a humane wage.

          ‘disparity’ = inequality or difference, as in age, rank, wages, etc.’ Collins.

          ‘ don’t enforce my seigneurial right to de-flower their virgin daughters’ = another clue to your deluded ‘right to rule’ character.

          • Maggie May 2.1.1.3.1

            Very good Jum

          • queenstfarmer 2.1.1.3.2

            Would that be ‘disparately’ as in divide (and rule) staff or ‘desperately’ as in needing staff and willing to pay them a humane wage.

            The latter, ie desperately (excuse my previous spelling). I need staff and have always paid far-above average, given the industry (IT). My businesses have never paid anyone anything near minimum wage (though I have been on it myself – youth rates – when I started out), and nor would it be possible.

            BTW, when I was on youth rates – while I was at school, working for a big retail chain store – I very easily negotiated with the manager to get onto the adult (minimum) wage. I was a good reliable worker (my reputation in that regard was significantly helped by some appalling co-workers!) and he was happy to pay a couple of dollars an hour extra to keep me on.

            • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.3.2.1

              Who gives a shit about your autobiography, qstf.

              When you were on youth rates, our country hadn’t been hollowed out by 30 years of neoliberalism, unions representing workers hadn’t been picked apart, and active wage and employment suppression wasn’t in play.

              In other words you’re just another middle aged born to rule prick who lived the good life in NZ growing up, and are now taking improved terms and conditions away from the youth of today.

              • queenstfarmer

                Who gives a shit about your autobiography, qstf

                Well I notice you’ve been drawn to comment on it.

                Actually this was in the late 90’s, during the ECA. The union had withered into irrelevance by then, and was missed by no-one.

                our country hadn’t been hollowed out by 30 years of neoliberalism

                I presume you are including Labour’s 9 years in power as part of this process.

                and are now taking improved terms and conditions away from the youth of today

                Interesting point, I’m not sure if there were any terms and conditions, or rights, that I had then (late 90s) but not now. Can you name any?

              • aerobubble

                Neoliberals are old farts who claim the growth was down to their
                genious but who squandered the oil bonaza buying off the majority
                of voters with cheap shrill politics. The growth is not there
                any more, oil has peaked, they can’t buy an election and have
                left even Epsom voters with huge unmaintainable debts.
                Will nZ back more stupid or seize on a likely one time
                opportunity to redirect growth inward rather than outward
                to foreigners?labour are moderate now, that won’t last if they lose.

            • Vicky32 2.1.1.3.2.2

              I very easily negotiated with the manager to get onto the adult (minimum) wage. I was a good reliable worker (my reputation in that regard was significantly helped by some appalling co-workers!) and he was happy to pay a couple of dollars an hour extra to keep me on.

              You were simply lucky, QSF! I’m sure it helped that you were not a girl… 🙂

        • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.4

          I desparately need my staff, and have always paid them well.

          Do you show them the books and how much they’re worth before deciding how much you should pay them? If not then it’s just you making dictatorial decisions and forcing them on others. In other words, slavery.

        • Vicky32 2.1.1.5

          Unions aren’t the problem, militant unionism is.

          Militant unionism has not existed for decades, if ever!

        • fmacskasy 2.1.1.6

          I don’t begrudge workers anything (except the bad ones). Unions aren’t the problem, militant unionism is.

          Interesting…

          What constitutes a “militant union” and a non-militant (tame?) Union?

          Hark back to the 1980s; the Solidarity Free Trade Union movement was militant. It opposed the Soviet-puppet regime that ruled Poland. Workers flocked to Solidarity because itr looked after their interests.

          By contrasts, the state-sanctioned Unions were non-militant. So much so that, in reality, they were simply extensions of the ruling Polish communist party.

          Solidarity’s existence was part of the slow disintergration of the communist, one-party rule in Eastern Europe.

          Damn those “militant” unions, eh?

          Just a bit of history…

    • framu 2.2

      why do you hate long established traditions of justice?

      you know “the right to face my accuser”

    • vto 2.3

      Do you have any understanding of unions and their history queenst?

      If your sentiment is right then you clearly see the pre-union era as a good era. You should go back and live in them times. Would you be living in the mansion on the hill or in the hovels in the swamp below?

    • KJT 2.4

      Median wages down $85 under National. Sounds like Union predictions were all too accurate.

  3. tsmithfield 3

    National’s policies make things better for employers, meaning they are more available to expand, pay workers more, and employ more people.

    This is in stark contrast to Labour’s policies of increasing the minimum wage, stealing 7% from employers to stick into Kiwisaver accounts, and kicking them in the head with a capital gains tax. Thus, employers will be much poorer under Labour, meaning that workers will most likely not get the wage rises they otherwise would have.

    • KJT 3.1

      Despite the fact that business has done much better under Labour, the first ACT Government excepted, I still hear the delusion at chamber meetings, that “National is the party for business”.

      May be for fast food businesses, drug peddlers (legal and illegal) and multinationals.

      Ordinary entrepreneurial Kiwi’s have lost out under Neo-Liberal policies.

      People who can barely pay for food , transport and shelter do not buy much local business products.

      “Your low paid workers are my lost customers”.

      Why should we subsidise businesses who want to employ labour at less than cost.

      Key. “We want to catch up to Australia” Yeah, by doing the opposite of everything Australia does??

      • Draco T Bastard 3.1.1

        Key. “We want to catch up to Australia”

        He was lying. The only time he told the truth was when he said he wanted wages to drop which is why all NAct policies since they got elected have been to ensure that they have.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 3.2

      Have a Tui. National’s policies fail workers, and they fail business owners, and that’s why GDP is always higher under Labour: because they are better economic managers than National.
      I challenge you (or any other witless right wing dupe) to cite a single piece of evidence that suggests otherwise.

      • Bazar 3.2.2

        How about the fucking massive deficit Labour left NZ as they exited.
        No really, how about that?

        Oh i guess we can overlook that, after all they had higher gdp (not that that’s hard when you spend everything you have and then some)

        • KJT 3.2.2.1

          What deficit?.

          Are you getting confused with Nationals billions in deficit. Rising steeply as their planned austerity measures, wages and tax and benefit cuts have their inevitable effect on business and tax receipts.

          How much is National borrowing for election bribes, again!?

          • queenstfarmer 3.2.2.1.1

            How much is National borrowing for election bribes, again!?

            I am aware that Labour is borrowing to pay for new tax cuts. What are National’s election bribes?

          • Bazar 3.2.2.1.2

            Selective memory much?

            Allow me to refresh your memory

            http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/media-speeches/media/14oct09

            30 June 2009, we had a $10.5 billion deficit.

            Who the hell do you think we have to blame for such a bastard deficit?
            And if you even think of suggesting national had a hand in it, since it landed in their freshly elected term, i’ll go into the facts and slam labour for their incompetence 1 fact at a time.

            • Blighty 3.2.2.1.2.1

              The deficit was less than $4 billion in the year to June 30, 2009 (OBEGAL is the measure that everyone uses – it excludes gains and losses on existing financial assets)

              Last year, the OBEGAL was $18.5 billion

              I seem to remember National introduced large tax cuts in th2 2009 fiscal year…

              • Bazar

                http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/befu2008/13.htm

                So you’re using a measure that doesn’t take into account profit and loss, and telling me that its a better measure to use, in a discussion about national deficits….

                Right….

                I’m also not sure where you get the $4 billion figure from, but at least you’ve made a concession that labour left us with $4 billion debt end of its term.

        • lprent 3.2.2.2

          What deficit? The current account was fine.

          There was a projected government deficit in the PREFU because of the future tax cuts because of changed economic circumstances. Any responsible government would have cancelled the tax cuts as being unaffordable in view of the changed circumstances.

          But as we know, National are irresponsible. They increased the taxcuts so they could pay off their wealthy donors. To pay for that bribe they started borrowing heavily.

          But I guess you’ll just overlook all that because as far as I can see you prefer fairy tales to reality. Idiot child.

        • Draco T Bastard 3.2.2.3

          How about the fucking massive deficit Labour left NZ as they exited.
          No really, how about that?

          I’m just going to point you at r0bs’ excellent reply and call you a fucken moron trying to rewrite reality.

          • Bazar 3.2.2.3.1

            The only thing of value in that is the “Labour left office with zero net government debt”

            Which he backs up with nothing substantial, it might as well be an opinion.
            You could of said it with as much authority.

            Instead you hide behind his post, and call me a moron.
            I’ll call you a coward in return, and take it to his post instead.

              • seeker

                Satisfied now Bazar? Your ability to deny the truth is astounding. Bizarre people like you are a real threat to the future of New Zealand.

              • Bazar

                From your link, you seem to be using as a crutch:

                Gross debt, described as gross sovereign issued debt, includes core Crown debt only (eg, Treasury bills, Government Bonds, Kiwi Bonds, and settlement cash deposits with the Reserve Bank of New Zealand). IT DOES NOT INCLUDE DEBT OF STATE-OWNED ENTERPRISES, CROWN ENTITIES (EG, ACCIDENT COMPENSATION CORPORATION OR EARTHQUAKE COMMISSION), OR OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. Net debt is gross debt less financial assets (investment).

                I guess if its nor a core crown debt, it doesn’t count huh.
                The charts also stop at march, which isn’t when labour left office.

    • Bullshit, Bullshit and Bullshit again. National has no plans to increase wages, they want them down permanently. They really do not care about the lives of workers in this country.

      Their long time view has been if you are a worker then you are there to keep the country working other than that we don’t care and will continue to prove it with our policies.

    • Jum 3.4

      tsmithfield,

      ‘pay workers more’ you know you are lying about that. English – a ‘low wage economy is good for investment’.

      Be honest and also state who gets more money.

      You use the word ‘workers’ dishonestly, meaning you only consider the ceo types to be the workers, not the policy of low wage forced on most New Zealand workers trying to survive on the current minimum wage.

      That’s as bad as NAct saying in 2009 tax cuts for the hard working people of New Zealand, when you/they meant tax cuts for those that didn’t need them and insulting those people who are often working 3 jobs to make ends meet on minimum wage as not hard working because you have given them so much less.

      Shame on you and your arrogant greedy selfish philososophy.

  4. randal 4

    what a lot of rot.
    any business will expand if they have something to sell that other people want.
    trying to make a go of it by underpaying workers makes it less of a business and more a peculium that is being run for thepsychological satisfaction of the proprietor.
    national is supposed to be the party of businesess so where are the jobs?

    • Uturn 4.1

      National’s policy release is curious reading. It says that higher paid jobs are its goal, but neglects to state that higher paid jobs doesn’t mean more higher paid jobs. What the policy does is take from the employees on the shop floor in order to give more to the executive/managerial workers. There are the higher paid jobs: higher salaries for existing positions without any new job creation.

      The implied philosophy is that workers must subsidise the ruling class, or as you say, the business stops being a business and begins to be an anachronistic tribute to bygone years of pre-industrial British social class system. National can’t make the moral distinction between workers wanting the rights to make enough to survive and ruling classes wanting the right to do as they please with any money they can get their hands on. It seems that, in their minds, the need for a gold plated toothbrush is as necessary as a plate of food. They haven’t even started in on beneficiaries.

      Exactly where they are going with the adjustments to flexible workplaces is unsure. Their own press release states that 76% of workplaces have no problem with the current system and that it has no effect on business costs. Yet the reason they give is to reduce costs to businesses. If Labour or anyone else fixed a problem on those stats they’d be accused of tinkering at the edges instead of making serious savings. But once you add up the removal of 30 day collective contract coverage with the 90 day probation period, the direction is clear and both laughable and terrifying. They seriously want a starving unhealthy peasant labour pool. Are they merely sniffing the fumes of nostalgia for times they only read about in books – complete with dreams of hunting dogs, King, Country and portraits of proud fat men on horseback in gold braid and red military uniforms – or are they really seriously pathological?

      Someone here summed it up a few days ago: If you believe the problem is that the rich aren’t rich enough, then National is for you.

  5. millsy 5

    Blow it out your ass smithfield, bosses want to pay their workers as less as possible. This policy will push wages DOWN DOWN DOWN. I honestly belive that National will ban unions and strip us of all sick leave and holidays soon.

    Why do you think its OK for workers to be treated like shit by their employers? Especially single mothers?

  6. Afewknowthetruth 6

    ‘We’re at a time in history in which unfettered business has brought our economy to a standstill.’

    There’s hyperbole and there’s HYPERBOLE.

    ‘a standstill’ means no activity. Nothing happening. That could hardly be further from the truth.

    The decline in energy availability assiciated with Peak Oil WILL bring present economic arrangements to a standstill, but probably not for another decade.

    Before that happens we will almost certainly pass through a period of overt fascism in which a larger protion of the wealth flows to the tiny minority at the top. That is what the uninformed masses are almost certain to vote for.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1

      What, you’re almost certain that the sky is going to fall on our heads? Again?

    • Lanthanide 6.2

      “The decline in energy availability assiciated with Peak Oil WILL bring present economic arrangements to a standstill, but probably not for another decade.”

      Yes. My boyfriend pointed out that talking about the “collapse” of a society, such as Rome, is somewhat of a misnomer. It is relevant in some cases such as Easter Island where they really did kill themselves off, but usually societies don’t really “collapse”, they simply change, sometimes with really large wholescale changes in short amounts of time, but change none-the-less.

      • pollywog 6.2.1

        ahh yes Rapanui (Easter Island)…

        …where idols were built to false foreign gods by the ruling elite using slave labour and all the islands natural resources such that the underclass/native population rose up, slew them all then cannibalised what was left over until they were rescued by their relatives only to spread their dark religion over the rest of Pasifika.

        i think there’s a lesson in that for everyone.

  7. Tiger Mountain 7

    Queen St and Smithy what f***ers you two really are.
    • ‘trickle down’ just does not happen anywhere in the known world
    • people oppressed by 90 day fire at will are not likely to go public due to high unemployment and precarious employment (secret accusers don’t belong in New Zealand, or maybe they do given we are getting perilously closer to a true surveillence state)

    An old mate of mine had a saying… “all bosses are bastards until they prove otherwise, and not too many have proved otherwise”. How true still today.

    • Bazar 7.1

      “people oppressed by 90 day fire at will”

      If there is a person being oppressed by that 90 day law, i suggest he look at himself, rather then blame the law.

      As for people being oppressed, research suggested that it had a net increase in the number of steady jobs created.

      • Bill 7.1.1

        Is the NZIER (the institute that did that particular research) a right wing think tank, or not?

      • Bill 7.1.2

        Em On that 13 000 new jobs malarky. Here’s what the NZIER actually reported (couched in glowing terms that fly in the face of their own qualifiers)

        …we suggest that the policy could be assessed with more in-depth analysis. For example, data for a longer time period would allow better analysis of the policy’s impact. In addition, it is difficult to separate the impact of the policy from wider economic conditions. If economic conditions from April 2009 to September 2009 were different for SMEs than for larger firms, then the policy impacts reported here may be over- or understated. It may also be possible to assess the impact of the policy on individuals’ willingness to change jobs.

        and

        The chart on page 3 shows the overall impact for 2009 Q3: hirings by employers with 1 to 19 employees fell by much less than hirings by larger employers.

        So small businesses hiring fewer people = a succesful policy?!

        I guess somebody in National did some strange extrapolating to get to the 13 000 jobs claim. NZIER certainly don’t mention any such number in their report (available here) http://nzier.org.nz/publications/90-day-trial-periods-appear-successful-nzier-insight-25

        • Bazar 7.1.2.1

          So your three complaints are thusly

          1. Its a rightwing think tank so it can’t be trusted.
          2. Its not perfectly accurately so it can’t be trusted.
          3. Because small businesses hired fewer people, the policy isn’t successful

          So lets start with the first point.

          Think what you will, i’m going to call you an idiot. Unless you can cite some other information or studies, you’re just living in denial.

          Secondly, yes its not accurate, its never going to be easy to tell just how successful it is, but the data we do have suggests that its an IMPROVEMENT on employment. That can only be a good thing.

          The final point, and the point i’m enjoying most, proves you don’t understand a thing at all.

          In a quarter where businesses were shedding jobs, those businesses which were able to use fire at will, had the least reductions in jobs.

          I believe there was even a survey of business owners, which again suggested, but not proved, that businesses were taking greater risks in hiring due to the law making it more forgiving in hiring.

          So at the end, there’s evidence that suggests the law is beneficial to finding and holding employment long term, as well as making hiring easier for businesses.

          • Draco T Bastard 7.1.2.1.1

            Secondly, yes its not accurate, its never going to be easy to tell just how successful it is, but the data we do have suggests that its an IMPROVEMENT on employment.

            Actually, if you go read the paper you’ll find that’s not what it said at all. The people who wrote the report tried to make it look like it said that but the figures were well within the margin of error – in other words, they couldn’t actually tell anything at all from the data they collected.

      • Vicky32 7.1.3

        If there is a person being oppressed by that 90 day law, i suggest he look at himself, rather then blame the law.

        Generic he. how old fashioned! But it is not quaint, it’s nauseating…

        As for people being oppressed, research suggested that it had a net increase in the number of steady jobs created.

        What research would that be then?

  8. Lanthanide 8

    How does the youth wage proposal stack up against the current situation?

    Don’t we have a youth rate for the first 200 hours of work, for 16-17 year olds? National’s proposal is to extend this to 16-19 year olds for 6 months.

    If you’re working 10 hours a week, 200 hours works out to 20 weeks or roughly 5 months already anyway. Of course the more you work over that, the longer you’re going to be disadvantaged under National’s plan.

    I think what would more fairly balance the rights of workers and businesses, particularly with the 90 day fire-at-will period, is if the initial youth rate period became “200 hours or 90 days, whatever is the longer”. This would ensure all new youth hires were on a reduced rate for their 90 days regardless of how many hours they work in a week and I don’t see that as particularly unreasonable.

    Edit: Reading Zet’s post I get the impression that the current law is already 200 hours or 3 months, whatever is the longer. In which case I don’t think there’s any change necessary. Can someone confirm?

    • Bazar 8.1

      “In which case I don’t think there’s any change necessary. Can someone confirm?”

      So you’re simply going to look at the law, say its good, and ignore the fact that we STILL have a massive youth unemployment issue?

      http://diyfail.com/fail-pics/21729-that-ought-to-do-it

      • Colonial Viper 8.1.1

        And we will still have a massive youth unemployment issue after National’s slave labour scheme, as well as a massive youth underpaid in employment issue.

    • Bill 8.2

      Yes Lanth. They are extending the opportunity to work for less pay to 18 and 19 year olds. And they reckon it’s such a good opportunity that if you change employer within the six month period, you get to do the whole 6 months on less pay from scratch.

  9. vto 9

    Try this question on for size … Take a million from a substantial business’s revenue / profits … now, which of these options would generate more economic activity? Putting that million into the hands of the business’s workers? Or putting that million into the hands of the business owner?

    Henry Ford, one of the world’s most successful businessmen ever, knew the right answer …

    John Key has no idea.

  10. Tombstone 10

    John Key is a slime ball and a fucking liar and I am sick to death of pricks with all the power and money bullying everyone else into a corner and attacking even our most basic working rights so as to pathe the way for slave economies. Enough is enough! We are the 99% – it’s time we fought back for our sake and the sake of future generations. We have nothing left to lose anymore and everything to gain.

    • Maggie May 10.1

      Right on Tombstone. Enough is enough, time for the people who caused this recession to start paying some of the cost unless of course they really are psychopaths, then in which case they would not even see what was wrong with their policies. Psychopaths find it impossible to understand the effects of their actions on others.

      • burt 10.1.1

        time for the people who caused this recession to start paying some of the cost unless of course they really are psychopaths, then in which case they would not even see what was wrong with their policies.

        In the context of the recession in NZ – these people will never be held to account. Actually their supporters still don’t believe they did anything wrong and they will vote them back in again to have another go at it. You are right – they don’t see what is wrong with their policies. Treasury do and I guess that’s why Treasury get such a bashing from Labour supporters.

        • KJT 10.1.1.1

          Treasury, like you, are so blinkered by Neo-Lib religious mania that they have NFI.

          When was the last time they actually got something right.
          http://kjt-kt.blogspot.com/2011/03/voodoo-economics.html

          Still waiting for the brighter future for all of us if only we put up with the pain from 1984 and 1990.

          40% real wage drop for most people. = Brighter future?

          From level pegging with Australia to 35% less wages. = Brighter future?

    • Rob 10.2

      You are wrong, you are actually not the 99%, nor representative of it.  Too many of the 99% are actually at work and do not have to time to sit on their arse and engagaing in mind numbing boring debate on useless blog sites.

  11. Bill 11

    Just read the policy.

    Something you missed Irish is that they will remove the requirement to conclude Collective Bargaining.

    Looking through the rest of it, reads like a jangle of shit.

    They rely on analysis from a private entity, the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research (NZIER) to claim that the 90 Day Bill created 13000 jobs in small businesses.

    They suggests that Department of Labour research found that abolishing Youth Rates led to 9000 jobs being lost. (DoL research surely either concluded ‘a’ or ‘b’ and didn’t suggest anything!)

    They intend to “allow flexible working agreements without invoking a formal process” while also reviewing the grounds for constructive dismissal. (Join the dots). Silent on whether employers will be able to impose (sorry, request) flexible working arrangements. I reckon the ‘no formal process’ is a hint though, eh?

    And claim that being covered by the terms of a CEA for 30 days means that a new emloyee cannot negotiate above those terms (eg higher rate of pay). Which is utter bullshit. CEA’s are minimum term documents and any worker can negotiate for superior terms. They (bizarrely) claim that the existence of a CEA reduces a worker’s bargaining position after 30 days if they choose to proceed on the basis of an Individual Employment Agreement. Coz, like, an new employee will be in a fantastic bargaining position insofar as they will have no bloody idea of the minimum terms contained in the CEA!

  12. I’m a millionaire and I’m okay
    Don’t have to think of anyone else
    I sleep all night
    I’m PM by day
    and Crosby and Textor tells me what to say.

    Just last year we introduced
    Government blockers on the Internet
    They are only there to stop the porn
    so you can trust me when I say
    we won’t use it for anything else

    If we push those wages down again
    and arm the police for their protest
    we can indenture Kiwi Labour for years and years

    I’m a millionaire so I’m okay
    Don’t have to think about anyone else
    I sleep all night and PM by day
    and Crosby and Textor tells me what to say.

  13. Tom Gould 13

    Key road tested this stuff with the Hobbit scam, and it worked. So picking a fight with unions is a no brainer. These Tories have been doing this for years and years. I hope the union people will, for once in their lives, play Key at his own game in the media and in public rather than rush to ‘man the barricades’ and behave to type. I’m not holding my breath, but one can hope. It is actually now a test of them, not Key.

  14. Funny how the same is happing in England eh? Back to the good old Victorian days. Could that be one of the subjects talked about with Lordy lord Ashcroft?

    • Maggie May 14.1

      Lord Ashcroft has dedicated his life and fortune to putting in place the’ One World Government’.

      His ideals is that only a few families own all wealth and therefore businesses in the world and a large gap between the ruling class and the workers.

      He was in NZ to speak with Key before the last election he was back after the election to pump money into our police force, and he is here again to support Keys attempt to achieve a winning election which will be one step closer to his objective.

  15. Peter Monteith 15

    Looks like the Return of the Employment Contracts Act!

    • Maggie May 15.1

      worse than that, remember the original employment contract act was written and introduced in Chile by General Pinochet’s labour minister Pene Pinada.

      Both Ruth Richardson and Roger Douglas regarded Pepe as a good friends. Ruth Richardson brought the employment contracts act to NZ from Chile, it was watered down to be introduced here but Key was quick to strengthen it again with introducing the 90 day, youth rates and now wants to reduce everyone’s wages so he and his favoured few can have more and we have less.

      This Pene Pinada was also invited to NZ more than once by the Business Round Table during Nationals last reign. You can see where National is going with this, Lord Ashcroft has armed our police with riot gear, all the laws passed under urgency allows them to do introduce more draconian laws if they win the election.

      New Zealand as we have know it will be gone. The key regime will be in place and dissidents will be throw in jail or punished in other ways.

      Pepe is dead now and it is his son who is President of Chile.

    • seeker 16.1

      Exactly Dave. Another national policy to diminish and demoralise our youth. It’s just the way to grow a countries’ economy and develop our most precious asset, not.What a shortsighted group of ‘elders’ we have in our small minded,’scrooge’ mentality business sector. How dare they influence the government of this country to our detriment, simply to line their pockets. Treacherous.

  16. Muzza 17

    What don’t you people get. The left right , red , blue things is there to fool you all. Looks like its still working nicely.
    We are all losing here in Nz , the vast majority at least. So where do you think it’s all leading, and why not break out of the 2 d thinking and wake the fuck up !

    • Have you seen National’s ad with the Labour workman and the National workman? I wonder what subliminal message is intended by National having a Green sign….?

  17. Interesting comments here on Stuff: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5867853/Nats-starting-out-youth-wage-plan? – and most seem to be wildly opposed to National’s crazy policy.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • NCEA Level 1 changes give students a broader foundation
    The Government is making changes to NCEA Level 1 to ensure it remains a strong, credible qualification that supports young people into employment and further education, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “Last term, the Government initiated a wide-scale review of the National Certificates of Educational Achievement (NCEA), involving consultation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    20 hours ago
  • Crown accounts reflect positive economic trend
    The Government’s books were again better than expected as the economy continued to recover post COVID lockdown, the Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Crown Accounts for the four months to the end of October were far more favourable than what was forecast in the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    24 hours ago
  • Increase to supplier diversity through new procurement target for Maori Business
    Māori enterprises are in line for greater opportunities to do business with government agencies under an initiative to spread the benefits of the economic recovery.  The Ministers for Māori Development and Economic and Regional Development have announced a new target to encourage public service agencies to cast the net ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Climate emergency declaration will be matched with long-term action
    Today’s climate emergency declaration will be backed with ambitious plans to reduce emissions, the Minister for Climate Change, James Shaw today. “Our Government has put New Zealand at the forefront of climate action over the last three years. Declaring a climate emergency and backing this with long-term action to reduce ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Celebrating the success of Prime Minister’s Oranga Tamariki Award winners
    28 young achievers who have been in the care of Oranga Tamariki or involved with the youth justice system have received Oranga Tamariki Prime Minister Awards in recognition of their success and potential, Children’s Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. At the awards ceremony in Parliament, Kelvin Davis congratulated the rangatahi ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Public sector to be carbon neutral by 2025
    Public sector to be carbon neutral by 2025 Immediate focus on phasing out largest and most active coal boilers Government agencies required to purchase electric vehicles and reduce the size of their car fleet Green standard required for public sector buildings The Government has launched a major new initiative to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Government fulfils election undertaking on new top tax rate
    The Government will today keep its election promise to put in place a new top tax rate of 39 per cent on income earned over $180,000. “This will only affect the top two per cent of earners. It is a balanced measure that is about sharing the load so everyone ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Sir Robert Martin re-elected to UN Committee
    New Zealand welcomes the news that Sir Robert Martin has been re-elected to the Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, says Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta and Minister for Disability Issues Carmel Sepuloni. “Sir Robert has been a lifetime advocate for persons with disabilities and his experience brings a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New rules to protect Kiwis from unaffordable loans
    The Government is making sure all consumers who borrow money get the same protections, regardless of where they get their loans.   “Building on the work to crack down on loan sharks last year, we’re now making the rules clearer for all lenders to help protect borrowers from unaffordable loans” ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New visitor attraction to boost tourism
    The opening of the first major new tourism attraction since the global outbreak of COVID-19 closed borders to international travellers will provide a welcome boost to visitor numbers in our largest city, says Tourism Minister Stuart Nash. Mr Nash has this afternoon taken part in the official opening ceremony of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Govt moves on drug checking to keep young New Zealanders safer this summer
    The Government will pass time limited legislation to give legal certainty to drug checking services, so they can carry out their work to keep New Zealanders safer this summer at festivals without fear of prosecution, Health Minister Andrew Little says. Next year the Government will develop and consult on regulations ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Public Service Commissioner reappointed
    Minister for the Public Service Chris Hipkins announced today that Public Service Commissioner Peter Hughes CNZM has been reappointed for three years. The Public Service Commissioner is appointed by the Governor-General on the recommendation of the Prime Minister. “Mr Hughes’ reappointment reflects the need for strong leadership and continuity to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Pōwhiri marks the start of a critical year for APEC
    New Zealand kicked off its APEC host year today, with a pōwhiri taking place on Wellington’s waterfront with local iwi Te Atiawa, and a number of Government ministers welcoming representatives from the other 20 APEC economies. “APEC is a hugely important international event, and New Zealand is hosting amidst the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Speech at APEC 21 Opening Pōwhiri
    9am, Tuesday 1 DecemberTe Whare Waka o Pōneke, Wellington Central He Mihi Kei aku rangatira no ngātapito e whā o te ao huri noa, tātou e huihui mai nei. Tēnā rā kōutou katoa. He tangiapakura ki ngā tini aituā kei waenganui i a tātou, ka tangi tonu te ngākau ki ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government extends business debt relief to October 2021
    To assist with the ongoing economic recovery from COVID-19, rules allowing affected businesses to put their debt on hold have been extended by 10 months. “New Zealand’s economy is recovering better than we expected, but the impacts of the pandemic are far-reaching and some businesses need continued support to keep ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Bill introduced to support workers with 10 days sick leave
    The Government is delivering on a key commitment by introducing a Bill to Parliament to expand sick leave entitlements from five days to ten days a year, Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Michael Wood announced today. “COVID-19 has shown how important it is to stay at home when people are ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Progress on pay equity for DHB staff
    Today’s initial agreement between DHBs and the PSA on pay equity for clerical and administration staff is an important step toward better, fairer pay for this crucial and largely female workforce, Health Minister Andrew Little says. If ratified, the agreement between the Public Service Association and the country’s 20 District ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Iconic Milford Track officially reopens
    One of New Zealand’s premier hikes and a cornerstone of the Te Anau community, the Milford Track has officially reopened, “From today, hikers booked on the popular Great Walk will be able to complete the walk end-to-end for the first time since early February,” Minister of Conservation Kiri Allan says. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Support for farmers beefed up ahead of La Niña
    Further funding for feed support services and new animal welfare coordinators will help farmers who continue to feel the effects of an extended drought, says Rural Communities Minister Damien O’Connor. “In March this year, I classified the drought in the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chathams ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Next steps for Christchurch Hospital campus redevelopment
    Canterbury DHB will be better placed to respond to future demand for services and continue to deliver high quality care, with the next stage of the campus redevelopment programme confirmed, Health Minister Andrew Little says. The Government has approved $154 million in funding for the construction of a third tower ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Five Power Defence Arrangements Defence Ministers’ Joint Statement
    The Defence Ministers from Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore and United Kingdom reaffirmed their nations’ continued commitment to the Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA), and commended the achievements over the past 49 years as the FPDA moves towards its 50th Anniversary in 2021.  The Ministers recognised the FPDA’s significant role ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Jobs for Nature funding protects health of Hawke’s Bay waterways
    A joint Government and Hawke’s Bay Regional Council project will invest $4.2 million to protect local waterways, enhance biodiversity and employ local people, Environment Minister David Parker announced today.   Over two years, the Hāpara Takatū Jobs for Nature project will fence 195km of private land to exclude stock from vulnerable ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • New Year border exception for seasonal workers in the horticulture and wine industries
    2000 additional RSE workers to enter New Zealand early next year employers must pay these workers at least $22.10 an hour employers will cover costs of managed isolation for the RSE workers RSE workers will be paid the equivalent of 30 hours work a week while in isolation From January ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government increases support for New Zealanders to work in seasonal jobs
    The Government is offering further financial support for unemployed New Zealanders to take on seasonal work. These new incentives include: Up to $200 per week for accommodation costs $1000 incentive payment for workers who complete jobs of six weeks or longer increasing wet weather payments when people can’t work to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government receives Royal Commission of Inquiry report into the Terrorist Attack on Christchurch Mos...
    Minister for Internal Affairs Jan Tinetti has today received the Royal Commission of Inquiry report into the Terrorist Attack on Christchurch Mosques, and will table it in Parliament on Tuesday December 8. “I know this will have been a challenging process for whānau, survivors and witnesses of the terrorist attack ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand Government to declare a climate emergency
    The Government will declare a climate emergency next week, Climate Change Minister James Shaw said today.                                       “We are in the midst of a climate crisis that will impact on nearly every ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Call for urgent action on Pacific conservation
    A declaration on the urgency of the global biodiversity crisis and the need for immediate, transformative action in the Pacific was agreed at a pan-Pacific conference today. The 10th Pacific Islands Conference on Nature Conservation and Protected Areas is taking place this week across the Pacific.  Minister of Conservation Kiritapu ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Speech from the throne
    E aku hoa i te ara o te whai, Kia kotahi tā tātou takahi i te kō, ko tōku whiwhi kei tō koutou tautoko mai. Ko tāku ki a koutou, hei whakapiki manawa mōku. He horomata rangatira te mahi, e rite ai te whiwhinga a te ringatuku, me te ringakape ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Keynote address to Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand conference
    Speech to the CAANZ conference - November 19, 2020 Thank you, Greg, (Greg Haddon, MC) for the welcome. I’d like to acknowledge John Cuthbertson from CAANZ, the Commissioner of Inland Revenue Naomi Ferguson, former fellow MP and former Minister of Revenue, Peter Dunne, other guest speakers and CAANZ members. I ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Expert independent advisory group appointed to strengthen the future of Māori broadcasting
    A panel of seven experts are adding their support to help shape the future of Māori broadcasting, Minister for Māori Development Willie Jackson has announced today. “Today I will meet with some of the most experienced Māori broadcasters, commentators and practitioners in the field. They have practical insights on the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government to review housing settings
    New Zealand’s stronger-than-expected economic performance has flowed through to housing demand, so the Government will review housing settings to improve access to the market, the Finance Minister Grant Robertson announced today. “Our focus is on improving access to the housing market for first home buyers and ensuring house price growth ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Crown accounts reflect Govt’s careful economic management
    The better-than-expected Crown accounts released today show the Government’s careful management of the COVID-19 health crisis was the right approach to support the economy. As expected, the Crown accounts for the year to June 2020 show the operating balance before gains and losses, or OBEGAL, was in deficit. However that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Community launch marks next step in addressing racism in education
    The launch of Te Hurihanganui in Porirua today is another important milestone in the work needed to address racism in the education system and improve outcomes for Māori learners and their whānau, Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis says. Budget 2019 included $42 million over three years to put Te Hurihanganui ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government to consider recommendations on DNA use in criminal investigations
    The Minister of Justice has received the Law Commission’s recommending changes to the law governing the way DNA is used in criminal investigations. The report, called The Use of DNA in Criminal Investigations – Te Whahamahi I te Ira Tangata I ngā Mātai Taihara, recommends new legislation to address how ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Speech to Wakatū Nelson regional hui on trade
    First, I want to express my thanks to Te Taumata for this hui and for all the fantastic work you are doing for Māori in the trade space. In the short time that you’ve been operating you’ve already contributed an enormous amount to the conversation, and developed impressive networks.  I ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Speech to Primary Industries Summit
    Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today about the significant contribution the food and fibres sector makes to New Zealand and how this Government is supporting that effort. I’d like to start by acknowledging our co-Chairs, Terry Copeland and Mavis Mullins, my colleague, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Fast track referrals will speed up recovery and boost jobs and home building
    The Government is taking action to increase jobs, speed up the economic recovery and build houses by putting three more projects through its fast track approval process. “It’s great to see that the fast-track consenting process is working. Today we have referred a mix of potential projects that, if approved, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Papakāinga provides critically needed homes in Hastings
    A papakāinga opened today by the Minister for Māori Development the Hon Willie Jackson will provide whānau with much needed affordable rental homes in Hastings. The four home papakāinga in Waiōhiki is the first project to be completed under the ‘Hastings Place Based’ initiative. This initiative is a Government, Hastings ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand ready to host APEC virtually
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern took over the leadership of APEC earlier today, when she joined leaders from the 21 APEC economies virtually for the forum’s final 2020 meeting. “We look forward to hosting a fully virtual APEC 2021 next year. While this isn’t an in-person meeting, it will be one ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Revival of Māori Horticulturists
    The rapid revival of Māori horticulture was unmistakeable at this year’s Ahuwhenua Trophy Awards, with 2020 marking the first time this iconic Māori farming event was dedicated to horticulture enterprises. Congratulating finalists at the Awards, Māori Development Minister Willie Jackson said growing large-scale māra kai is part of Māori DNA. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago