web analytics

National’s plan to screw workers some more

Written By: - Date published: 8:38 am, October 28th, 2011 - 89 comments
Categories: class war - Tags:

John Key has announced National’s employment policy and it’s all about making Kiwi workers pay.

It includes:

A partial return to youth rates.

Allow employers to opt out of Multi Employer Collective Agreements – this would mean the end of any industry bargaining and damage the negotiating power of many workers in areas including healthcare.

Remove the thirty day rule – currently new workers are covered by the collective agreement (if there is one on site) for the first thirty days (which means employers would be able to undermine workers.

Allow employers to deduct pay for low level industrial action.

Each of these moves damages union members’ negotiating power which in turn reduces the gains passed on to non-union workers.

We’re at a time in history in which unfettered business has brought our economy to a standstill. John Key’s plan is to make New Zealand’s workers pay for the greed of his peers. He’s a disgrace.

89 comments on “National’s plan to screw workers some more ”

  1. Blighty 1


    Cutting wages, cutting our ability to bargain for higher wages.

    Making work less attractive for people on benefits

    • thejackal 1.1

      Why would any worker in their right mind vote for National? You would have to be stark raving made to support a policy that has increased the divide with Australia. So much for closing the gaps… National wants to make New Zealand a nation of slaves. John Key is a lying bastard!

      • KJT 1.1.1

        Any, New Zealander would have to be stark raving mad, or seriously misinformed, to vote National.

        Unfortunately we seem to be mushrooms. “Kept in the dark and fed on bullshit”.

      • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2

        National wants to make New Zealand a nation of slaves.

        Those of us who understand the authoritarian mindset already knew that. It’s obvious from their actions and policies that NAct think that everyone else should work to support them in the comfort and debauchery that they think they deserve.

    • Bazar 1.2

      “Making work less attractive for people on benefits”

      I love how you make that sound like work is optional, and that remaining on benefits is a valid lifestyle.

      • Uturn 1.2.1

        I don’t love how the claim that remaining on benefits is a not valid lifestyle has become an endorsement for slavery.

        “Any job is a good job”, without qualification of “any” is a thin slogan.

    • aerobubble 1.3

      National think we’ll grow! Any growth will be at inflation. Now is
      this their strategy? To talk up prospects and give themselves more
      movement, justifaction for austerity come they are prven wrong?
      But why then attack workers? Haven’t they seen the news, all
      over the world citizenz are gettin snarlly. This is more like
      68 than 86.

      So what drugs are National taking, don’t they know neo-liberals
      had an exit strategy, don’t they know it??? What complete

  2. queenstfarmer 2

    All good things.

    Union critics don’t have much, if any, credibility on these matters any more (assuming they ever did), given their completely inaccurate end-of-the-world predictions about the 90 day trial period.

    • millsy 2.1

      So you want a low wage economy with unions placed in a legal straitjacket? and workers unable to bargain collectively and join unions as is their ILO right.

      Filthy rich farmers like you dont need to worry about this, though it will help because you will have a supply of cheap labour to treat like dirt and sack if you get sick of them, because lets face it, workers are expendable to people like you.

      Those on low pay and those who a vulnerable are going to be hit hard by this with lower wages and less conditions.

      Why do you begrudge unions and workers getting a decent wage. Why do you have to think that people in low wage jobs should have more money taken off them, and be barred from joining a union?

      • queenstfarmer 2.1.1

        So you want a low wage economy


        with unions placed in a legal straitjacket

        Everyone is in the “straitjacket” of the law. It’s about striking (no pun intended) an appropriate environment.

        lets face it, workers are expendable to people like you.

        You couldn’t be more wrong. I run my own small business (and have run/sold others). I desparately need my staff, and have always paid them well.

        Why do you begrudge unions and workers getting a decent wage

        I don’t begrudge workers anything (except the bad ones). Unions aren’t the problem, militant unionism is.

        • (NOT) queenstfarmer_20 years_from_now

          These days, all employers use leg-irons as provided by the law. It is about striking (pun intended) an appropriate environment.

          You couldn’t be more wrong. I run my own small business (and have run/sold others). I desparately need my staff, and have I never beaten them.

          I don’t begrudge workers anything. I am a good employer. Unlike most, I don’t enforce my seigneurial right to de-flower their virgin daughters.

          [lprent: I disapprove of identity hijacking on the basis that it is a pain in the arse for moderation.

          But you did pick a different handle, it is amusing, and qsf hasn’t objected too much so I’ll leave it in this once. I have enhanced the handle to make it clear who it isn’t.

          However if I see repeats or copycats, then I’m afraid the perpetrators are for a ban until after the election. Decide if you want to be locked out of the discussion. ]

          • queenstfarmer


            Totally wrong, but funny.

          • Lanthanide

            I don’t know that anyone would confuse these or think it was an identity hijack.

            Having said that, it’d probably better to retain your usual name and simply put the future persona in the comment content.

        • Colonial Viper

          Militant corporatocracy is the problem. Where you have Government working for bg business and not for the people.

          • aerobubble

            Not sure National are smart enough to keep up with the
            needs of the militrary industrial complex who
            desperately want more energy alternatives so they
            can maintain a energy advantage after peak oil.
            Sorry, but National serve property speculators
            an they earn thier money selling off Nz and
            borrowing from foreigners using NZ as collateral

        • Jum


          ‘I desparately need my staff,’ Would that be ‘disparately’ as in divide (and rule) staff or ‘desperately’ as in needing staff and willing to pay them a humane wage.

          ‘disparity’ = inequality or difference, as in age, rank, wages, etc.’ Collins.

          ‘ don’t enforce my seigneurial right to de-flower their virgin daughters’ = another clue to your deluded ‘right to rule’ character.

          • Maggie May

            Very good Jum

          • queenstfarmer

            Would that be ‘disparately’ as in divide (and rule) staff or ‘desperately’ as in needing staff and willing to pay them a humane wage.

            The latter, ie desperately (excuse my previous spelling). I need staff and have always paid far-above average, given the industry (IT). My businesses have never paid anyone anything near minimum wage (though I have been on it myself – youth rates – when I started out), and nor would it be possible.

            BTW, when I was on youth rates – while I was at school, working for a big retail chain store – I very easily negotiated with the manager to get onto the adult (minimum) wage. I was a good reliable worker (my reputation in that regard was significantly helped by some appalling co-workers!) and he was happy to pay a couple of dollars an hour extra to keep me on.

            • Colonial Viper

              Who gives a shit about your autobiography, qstf.

              When you were on youth rates, our country hadn’t been hollowed out by 30 years of neoliberalism, unions representing workers hadn’t been picked apart, and active wage and employment suppression wasn’t in play.

              In other words you’re just another middle aged born to rule prick who lived the good life in NZ growing up, and are now taking improved terms and conditions away from the youth of today.

              • queenstfarmer

                Who gives a shit about your autobiography, qstf

                Well I notice you’ve been drawn to comment on it.

                Actually this was in the late 90’s, during the ECA. The union had withered into irrelevance by then, and was missed by no-one.

                our country hadn’t been hollowed out by 30 years of neoliberalism

                I presume you are including Labour’s 9 years in power as part of this process.

                and are now taking improved terms and conditions away from the youth of today

                Interesting point, I’m not sure if there were any terms and conditions, or rights, that I had then (late 90s) but not now. Can you name any?

              • aerobubble

                Neoliberals are old farts who claim the growth was down to their
                genious but who squandered the oil bonaza buying off the majority
                of voters with cheap shrill politics. The growth is not there
                any more, oil has peaked, they can’t buy an election and have
                left even Epsom voters with huge unmaintainable debts.
                Will nZ back more stupid or seize on a likely one time
                opportunity to redirect growth inward rather than outward
                to foreigners?labour are moderate now, that won’t last if they lose.

            • Vicky32

              I very easily negotiated with the manager to get onto the adult (minimum) wage. I was a good reliable worker (my reputation in that regard was significantly helped by some appalling co-workers!) and he was happy to pay a couple of dollars an hour extra to keep me on.

              You were simply lucky, QSF! I’m sure it helped that you were not a girl… 🙂

        • Draco T Bastard

          I desparately need my staff, and have always paid them well.

          Do you show them the books and how much they’re worth before deciding how much you should pay them? If not then it’s just you making dictatorial decisions and forcing them on others. In other words, slavery.

        • Vicky32

          Unions aren’t the problem, militant unionism is.

          Militant unionism has not existed for decades, if ever!

        • fmacskasy

          I don’t begrudge workers anything (except the bad ones). Unions aren’t the problem, militant unionism is.


          What constitutes a “militant union” and a non-militant (tame?) Union?

          Hark back to the 1980s; the Solidarity Free Trade Union movement was militant. It opposed the Soviet-puppet regime that ruled Poland. Workers flocked to Solidarity because itr looked after their interests.

          By contrasts, the state-sanctioned Unions were non-militant. So much so that, in reality, they were simply extensions of the ruling Polish communist party.

          Solidarity’s existence was part of the slow disintergration of the communist, one-party rule in Eastern Europe.

          Damn those “militant” unions, eh?

          Just a bit of history…

    • framu 2.2

      why do you hate long established traditions of justice?

      you know “the right to face my accuser”

    • vto 2.3

      Do you have any understanding of unions and their history queenst?

      If your sentiment is right then you clearly see the pre-union era as a good era. You should go back and live in them times. Would you be living in the mansion on the hill or in the hovels in the swamp below?

    • KJT 2.4

      Median wages down $85 under National. Sounds like Union predictions were all too accurate.

  3. tsmithfield 3

    National’s policies make things better for employers, meaning they are more available to expand, pay workers more, and employ more people.

    This is in stark contrast to Labour’s policies of increasing the minimum wage, stealing 7% from employers to stick into Kiwisaver accounts, and kicking them in the head with a capital gains tax. Thus, employers will be much poorer under Labour, meaning that workers will most likely not get the wage rises they otherwise would have.

    • KJT 3.1

      Despite the fact that business has done much better under Labour, the first ACT Government excepted, I still hear the delusion at chamber meetings, that “National is the party for business”.

      May be for fast food businesses, drug peddlers (legal and illegal) and multinationals.

      Ordinary entrepreneurial Kiwi’s have lost out under Neo-Liberal policies.

      People who can barely pay for food , transport and shelter do not buy much local business products.

      “Your low paid workers are my lost customers”.

      Why should we subsidise businesses who want to employ labour at less than cost.

      Key. “We want to catch up to Australia” Yeah, by doing the opposite of everything Australia does??

      • Draco T Bastard 3.1.1

        Key. “We want to catch up to Australia”

        He was lying. The only time he told the truth was when he said he wanted wages to drop which is why all NAct policies since they got elected have been to ensure that they have.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 3.2

      Have a Tui. National’s policies fail workers, and they fail business owners, and that’s why GDP is always higher under Labour: because they are better economic managers than National.
      I challenge you (or any other witless right wing dupe) to cite a single piece of evidence that suggests otherwise.

      • Bazar 3.2.2

        How about the fucking massive deficit Labour left NZ as they exited.
        No really, how about that?

        Oh i guess we can overlook that, after all they had higher gdp (not that that’s hard when you spend everything you have and then some)

        • KJT

          What deficit?.

          Are you getting confused with Nationals billions in deficit. Rising steeply as their planned austerity measures, wages and tax and benefit cuts have their inevitable effect on business and tax receipts.

          How much is National borrowing for election bribes, again!?

          • queenstfarmer

            How much is National borrowing for election bribes, again!?

            I am aware that Labour is borrowing to pay for new tax cuts. What are National’s election bribes?

          • Bazar

            Selective memory much?

            Allow me to refresh your memory


            30 June 2009, we had a $10.5 billion deficit.

            Who the hell do you think we have to blame for such a bastard deficit?
            And if you even think of suggesting national had a hand in it, since it landed in their freshly elected term, i’ll go into the facts and slam labour for their incompetence 1 fact at a time.

            • Blighty

              The deficit was less than $4 billion in the year to June 30, 2009 (OBEGAL is the measure that everyone uses – it excludes gains and losses on existing financial assets)

              Last year, the OBEGAL was $18.5 billion

              I seem to remember National introduced large tax cuts in th2 2009 fiscal year…

              • Bazar


                So you’re using a measure that doesn’t take into account profit and loss, and telling me that its a better measure to use, in a discussion about national deficits….


                I’m also not sure where you get the $4 billion figure from, but at least you’ve made a concession that labour left us with $4 billion debt end of its term.

        • lprent

          What deficit? The current account was fine.

          There was a projected government deficit in the PREFU because of the future tax cuts because of changed economic circumstances. Any responsible government would have cancelled the tax cuts as being unaffordable in view of the changed circumstances.

          But as we know, National are irresponsible. They increased the taxcuts so they could pay off their wealthy donors. To pay for that bribe they started borrowing heavily.

          But I guess you’ll just overlook all that because as far as I can see you prefer fairy tales to reality. Idiot child.

        • Draco T Bastard

          How about the fucking massive deficit Labour left NZ as they exited.
          No really, how about that?

          I’m just going to point you at r0bs’ excellent reply and call you a fucken moron trying to rewrite reality.

          • Bazar

            The only thing of value in that is the “Labour left office with zero net government debt”

            Which he backs up with nothing substantial, it might as well be an opinion.
            You could of said it with as much authority.

            Instead you hide behind his post, and call me a moron.
            I’ll call you a coward in return, and take it to his post instead.

              • seeker

                Satisfied now Bazar? Your ability to deny the truth is astounding. Bizarre people like you are a real threat to the future of New Zealand.

              • Bazar

                From your link, you seem to be using as a crutch:

                Gross debt, described as gross sovereign issued debt, includes core Crown debt only (eg, Treasury bills, Government Bonds, Kiwi Bonds, and settlement cash deposits with the Reserve Bank of New Zealand). IT DOES NOT INCLUDE DEBT OF STATE-OWNED ENTERPRISES, CROWN ENTITIES (EG, ACCIDENT COMPENSATION CORPORATION OR EARTHQUAKE COMMISSION), OR OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. Net debt is gross debt less financial assets (investment).

                I guess if its nor a core crown debt, it doesn’t count huh.
                The charts also stop at march, which isn’t when labour left office.

    • Bullshit, Bullshit and Bullshit again. National has no plans to increase wages, they want them down permanently. They really do not care about the lives of workers in this country.

      Their long time view has been if you are a worker then you are there to keep the country working other than that we don’t care and will continue to prove it with our policies.

    • Jum 3.4


      ‘pay workers more’ you know you are lying about that. English – a ‘low wage economy is good for investment’.

      Be honest and also state who gets more money.

      You use the word ‘workers’ dishonestly, meaning you only consider the ceo types to be the workers, not the policy of low wage forced on most New Zealand workers trying to survive on the current minimum wage.

      That’s as bad as NAct saying in 2009 tax cuts for the hard working people of New Zealand, when you/they meant tax cuts for those that didn’t need them and insulting those people who are often working 3 jobs to make ends meet on minimum wage as not hard working because you have given them so much less.

      Shame on you and your arrogant greedy selfish philososophy.

  4. randal 4

    what a lot of rot.
    any business will expand if they have something to sell that other people want.
    trying to make a go of it by underpaying workers makes it less of a business and more a peculium that is being run for thepsychological satisfaction of the proprietor.
    national is supposed to be the party of businesess so where are the jobs?

    • Uturn 4.1

      National’s policy release is curious reading. It says that higher paid jobs are its goal, but neglects to state that higher paid jobs doesn’t mean more higher paid jobs. What the policy does is take from the employees on the shop floor in order to give more to the executive/managerial workers. There are the higher paid jobs: higher salaries for existing positions without any new job creation.

      The implied philosophy is that workers must subsidise the ruling class, or as you say, the business stops being a business and begins to be an anachronistic tribute to bygone years of pre-industrial British social class system. National can’t make the moral distinction between workers wanting the rights to make enough to survive and ruling classes wanting the right to do as they please with any money they can get their hands on. It seems that, in their minds, the need for a gold plated toothbrush is as necessary as a plate of food. They haven’t even started in on beneficiaries.

      Exactly where they are going with the adjustments to flexible workplaces is unsure. Their own press release states that 76% of workplaces have no problem with the current system and that it has no effect on business costs. Yet the reason they give is to reduce costs to businesses. If Labour or anyone else fixed a problem on those stats they’d be accused of tinkering at the edges instead of making serious savings. But once you add up the removal of 30 day collective contract coverage with the 90 day probation period, the direction is clear and both laughable and terrifying. They seriously want a starving unhealthy peasant labour pool. Are they merely sniffing the fumes of nostalgia for times they only read about in books – complete with dreams of hunting dogs, King, Country and portraits of proud fat men on horseback in gold braid and red military uniforms – or are they really seriously pathological?

      Someone here summed it up a few days ago: If you believe the problem is that the rich aren’t rich enough, then National is for you.

  5. millsy 5

    Blow it out your ass smithfield, bosses want to pay their workers as less as possible. This policy will push wages DOWN DOWN DOWN. I honestly belive that National will ban unions and strip us of all sick leave and holidays soon.

    Why do you think its OK for workers to be treated like shit by their employers? Especially single mothers?

  6. Afewknowthetruth 6

    ‘We’re at a time in history in which unfettered business has brought our economy to a standstill.’

    There’s hyperbole and there’s HYPERBOLE.

    ‘a standstill’ means no activity. Nothing happening. That could hardly be further from the truth.

    The decline in energy availability assiciated with Peak Oil WILL bring present economic arrangements to a standstill, but probably not for another decade.

    Before that happens we will almost certainly pass through a period of overt fascism in which a larger protion of the wealth flows to the tiny minority at the top. That is what the uninformed masses are almost certain to vote for.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1

      What, you’re almost certain that the sky is going to fall on our heads? Again?

    • Lanthanide 6.2

      “The decline in energy availability assiciated with Peak Oil WILL bring present economic arrangements to a standstill, but probably not for another decade.”

      Yes. My boyfriend pointed out that talking about the “collapse” of a society, such as Rome, is somewhat of a misnomer. It is relevant in some cases such as Easter Island where they really did kill themselves off, but usually societies don’t really “collapse”, they simply change, sometimes with really large wholescale changes in short amounts of time, but change none-the-less.

      • pollywog 6.2.1

        ahh yes Rapanui (Easter Island)…

        …where idols were built to false foreign gods by the ruling elite using slave labour and all the islands natural resources such that the underclass/native population rose up, slew them all then cannibalised what was left over until they were rescued by their relatives only to spread their dark religion over the rest of Pasifika.

        i think there’s a lesson in that for everyone.

  7. Tiger Mountain 7

    Queen St and Smithy what f***ers you two really are.
    • ‘trickle down’ just does not happen anywhere in the known world
    • people oppressed by 90 day fire at will are not likely to go public due to high unemployment and precarious employment (secret accusers don’t belong in New Zealand, or maybe they do given we are getting perilously closer to a true surveillence state)

    An old mate of mine had a saying… “all bosses are bastards until they prove otherwise, and not too many have proved otherwise”. How true still today.

    • Bazar 7.1

      “people oppressed by 90 day fire at will”

      If there is a person being oppressed by that 90 day law, i suggest he look at himself, rather then blame the law.

      As for people being oppressed, research suggested that it had a net increase in the number of steady jobs created.

      • Bill 7.1.1

        Is the NZIER (the institute that did that particular research) a right wing think tank, or not?

      • Bill 7.1.2

        Em On that 13 000 new jobs malarky. Here’s what the NZIER actually reported (couched in glowing terms that fly in the face of their own qualifiers)

        …we suggest that the policy could be assessed with more in-depth analysis. For example, data for a longer time period would allow better analysis of the policy’s impact. In addition, it is difficult to separate the impact of the policy from wider economic conditions. If economic conditions from April 2009 to September 2009 were different for SMEs than for larger firms, then the policy impacts reported here may be over- or understated. It may also be possible to assess the impact of the policy on individuals’ willingness to change jobs.


        The chart on page 3 shows the overall impact for 2009 Q3: hirings by employers with 1 to 19 employees fell by much less than hirings by larger employers.

        So small businesses hiring fewer people = a succesful policy?!

        I guess somebody in National did some strange extrapolating to get to the 13 000 jobs claim. NZIER certainly don’t mention any such number in their report (available here) http://nzier.org.nz/publications/90-day-trial-periods-appear-successful-nzier-insight-25

        • Bazar

          So your three complaints are thusly

          1. Its a rightwing think tank so it can’t be trusted.
          2. Its not perfectly accurately so it can’t be trusted.
          3. Because small businesses hired fewer people, the policy isn’t successful

          So lets start with the first point.

          Think what you will, i’m going to call you an idiot. Unless you can cite some other information or studies, you’re just living in denial.

          Secondly, yes its not accurate, its never going to be easy to tell just how successful it is, but the data we do have suggests that its an IMPROVEMENT on employment. That can only be a good thing.

          The final point, and the point i’m enjoying most, proves you don’t understand a thing at all.

          In a quarter where businesses were shedding jobs, those businesses which were able to use fire at will, had the least reductions in jobs.

          I believe there was even a survey of business owners, which again suggested, but not proved, that businesses were taking greater risks in hiring due to the law making it more forgiving in hiring.

          So at the end, there’s evidence that suggests the law is beneficial to finding and holding employment long term, as well as making hiring easier for businesses.

          • Draco T Bastard

            Secondly, yes its not accurate, its never going to be easy to tell just how successful it is, but the data we do have suggests that its an IMPROVEMENT on employment.

            Actually, if you go read the paper you’ll find that’s not what it said at all. The people who wrote the report tried to make it look like it said that but the figures were well within the margin of error – in other words, they couldn’t actually tell anything at all from the data they collected.

      • Vicky32 7.1.3

        If there is a person being oppressed by that 90 day law, i suggest he look at himself, rather then blame the law.

        Generic he. how old fashioned! But it is not quaint, it’s nauseating…

        As for people being oppressed, research suggested that it had a net increase in the number of steady jobs created.

        What research would that be then?

  8. Lanthanide 8

    How does the youth wage proposal stack up against the current situation?

    Don’t we have a youth rate for the first 200 hours of work, for 16-17 year olds? National’s proposal is to extend this to 16-19 year olds for 6 months.

    If you’re working 10 hours a week, 200 hours works out to 20 weeks or roughly 5 months already anyway. Of course the more you work over that, the longer you’re going to be disadvantaged under National’s plan.

    I think what would more fairly balance the rights of workers and businesses, particularly with the 90 day fire-at-will period, is if the initial youth rate period became “200 hours or 90 days, whatever is the longer”. This would ensure all new youth hires were on a reduced rate for their 90 days regardless of how many hours they work in a week and I don’t see that as particularly unreasonable.

    Edit: Reading Zet’s post I get the impression that the current law is already 200 hours or 3 months, whatever is the longer. In which case I don’t think there’s any change necessary. Can someone confirm?

    • Bazar 8.1

      “In which case I don’t think there’s any change necessary. Can someone confirm?”

      So you’re simply going to look at the law, say its good, and ignore the fact that we STILL have a massive youth unemployment issue?


      • Colonial Viper 8.1.1

        And we will still have a massive youth unemployment issue after National’s slave labour scheme, as well as a massive youth underpaid in employment issue.

    • Bill 8.2

      Yes Lanth. They are extending the opportunity to work for less pay to 18 and 19 year olds. And they reckon it’s such a good opportunity that if you change employer within the six month period, you get to do the whole 6 months on less pay from scratch.

  9. vto 9

    Try this question on for size … Take a million from a substantial business’s revenue / profits … now, which of these options would generate more economic activity? Putting that million into the hands of the business’s workers? Or putting that million into the hands of the business owner?

    Henry Ford, one of the world’s most successful businessmen ever, knew the right answer …

    John Key has no idea.

  10. Tombstone 10

    John Key is a slime ball and a fucking liar and I am sick to death of pricks with all the power and money bullying everyone else into a corner and attacking even our most basic working rights so as to pathe the way for slave economies. Enough is enough! We are the 99% – it’s time we fought back for our sake and the sake of future generations. We have nothing left to lose anymore and everything to gain.

    • Maggie May 10.1

      Right on Tombstone. Enough is enough, time for the people who caused this recession to start paying some of the cost unless of course they really are psychopaths, then in which case they would not even see what was wrong with their policies. Psychopaths find it impossible to understand the effects of their actions on others.

      • burt 10.1.1

        time for the people who caused this recession to start paying some of the cost unless of course they really are psychopaths, then in which case they would not even see what was wrong with their policies.

        In the context of the recession in NZ – these people will never be held to account. Actually their supporters still don’t believe they did anything wrong and they will vote them back in again to have another go at it. You are right – they don’t see what is wrong with their policies. Treasury do and I guess that’s why Treasury get such a bashing from Labour supporters.

        • KJT

          Treasury, like you, are so blinkered by Neo-Lib religious mania that they have NFI.

          When was the last time they actually got something right.

          Still waiting for the brighter future for all of us if only we put up with the pain from 1984 and 1990.

          40% real wage drop for most people. = Brighter future?

          From level pegging with Australia to 35% less wages. = Brighter future?

    • Rob 10.2

      You are wrong, you are actually not the 99%, nor representative of it.  Too many of the 99% are actually at work and do not have to time to sit on their arse and engagaing in mind numbing boring debate on useless blog sites.

  11. Bill 11

    Just read the policy.

    Something you missed Irish is that they will remove the requirement to conclude Collective Bargaining.

    Looking through the rest of it, reads like a jangle of shit.

    They rely on analysis from a private entity, the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research (NZIER) to claim that the 90 Day Bill created 13000 jobs in small businesses.

    They suggests that Department of Labour research found that abolishing Youth Rates led to 9000 jobs being lost. (DoL research surely either concluded ‘a’ or ‘b’ and didn’t suggest anything!)

    They intend to “allow flexible working agreements without invoking a formal process” while also reviewing the grounds for constructive dismissal. (Join the dots). Silent on whether employers will be able to impose (sorry, request) flexible working arrangements. I reckon the ‘no formal process’ is a hint though, eh?

    And claim that being covered by the terms of a CEA for 30 days means that a new emloyee cannot negotiate above those terms (eg higher rate of pay). Which is utter bullshit. CEA’s are minimum term documents and any worker can negotiate for superior terms. They (bizarrely) claim that the existence of a CEA reduces a worker’s bargaining position after 30 days if they choose to proceed on the basis of an Individual Employment Agreement. Coz, like, an new employee will be in a fantastic bargaining position insofar as they will have no bloody idea of the minimum terms contained in the CEA!

  12. I’m a millionaire and I’m okay
    Don’t have to think of anyone else
    I sleep all night
    I’m PM by day
    and Crosby and Textor tells me what to say.

    Just last year we introduced
    Government blockers on the Internet
    They are only there to stop the porn
    so you can trust me when I say
    we won’t use it for anything else

    If we push those wages down again
    and arm the police for their protest
    we can indenture Kiwi Labour for years and years

    I’m a millionaire so I’m okay
    Don’t have to think about anyone else
    I sleep all night and PM by day
    and Crosby and Textor tells me what to say.

  13. Tom Gould 13

    Key road tested this stuff with the Hobbit scam, and it worked. So picking a fight with unions is a no brainer. These Tories have been doing this for years and years. I hope the union people will, for once in their lives, play Key at his own game in the media and in public rather than rush to ‘man the barricades’ and behave to type. I’m not holding my breath, but one can hope. It is actually now a test of them, not Key.

  14. Funny how the same is happing in England eh? Back to the good old Victorian days. Could that be one of the subjects talked about with Lordy lord Ashcroft?

    • Maggie May 14.1

      Lord Ashcroft has dedicated his life and fortune to putting in place the’ One World Government’.

      His ideals is that only a few families own all wealth and therefore businesses in the world and a large gap between the ruling class and the workers.

      He was in NZ to speak with Key before the last election he was back after the election to pump money into our police force, and he is here again to support Keys attempt to achieve a winning election which will be one step closer to his objective.

  15. Peter Monteith 15

    Looks like the Return of the Employment Contracts Act!

    • Maggie May 15.1

      worse than that, remember the original employment contract act was written and introduced in Chile by General Pinochet’s labour minister Pene Pinada.

      Both Ruth Richardson and Roger Douglas regarded Pepe as a good friends. Ruth Richardson brought the employment contracts act to NZ from Chile, it was watered down to be introduced here but Key was quick to strengthen it again with introducing the 90 day, youth rates and now wants to reduce everyone’s wages so he and his favoured few can have more and we have less.

      This Pene Pinada was also invited to NZ more than once by the Business Round Table during Nationals last reign. You can see where National is going with this, Lord Ashcroft has armed our police with riot gear, all the laws passed under urgency allows them to do introduce more draconian laws if they win the election.

      New Zealand as we have know it will be gone. The key regime will be in place and dissidents will be throw in jail or punished in other ways.

      Pepe is dead now and it is his son who is President of Chile.

    • seeker 16.1

      Exactly Dave. Another national policy to diminish and demoralise our youth. It’s just the way to grow a countries’ economy and develop our most precious asset, not.What a shortsighted group of ‘elders’ we have in our small minded,’scrooge’ mentality business sector. How dare they influence the government of this country to our detriment, simply to line their pockets. Treacherous.

  16. Muzza 17

    What don’t you people get. The left right , red , blue things is there to fool you all. Looks like its still working nicely.
    We are all losing here in Nz , the vast majority at least. So where do you think it’s all leading, and why not break out of the 2 d thinking and wake the fuck up !

    • Have you seen National’s ad with the Labour workman and the National workman? I wonder what subliminal message is intended by National having a Green sign….?

  17. Interesting comments here on Stuff: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5867853/Nats-starting-out-youth-wage-plan? – and most seem to be wildly opposed to National’s crazy policy.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • New South Wales travel pause to be lifted tomorrow
    COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says the current travel pause with New South Wales will lift tomorrow – subject to no further significant developments in NSW. “New Zealand health officials met today to conduct a further assessment of the public health risk from the recently identified COVID-19 community cases in Sydney. It has been determined that the risk to public ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    10 hours ago
  • March 15 Collective Impact Board appointed
    The voices of those affected by the March 15 mosque attacks will be heard more effectively with the establishment of a new collective impact board, Associate Minister for Social Development and Employment Priyanca Radhakrishnan announced today. Seven members of the Christchurch Muslim community have been appointed to the newly established Board, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    18 hours ago
  • More young Kiwis supported with mental health and addiction services
    Nearly quarter of a million more young New Zealanders will have access to mental health and addiction support in their communities as the Government’s youth mental health programme gathers pace. New contracts to expand youth-specific services across the Northland, Waitematā and Auckland District Health Board areas have been confirmed, providing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New hospital facilities mean fewer trips to Auckland for Northlanders
    Northlanders will no longer automatically have to go to Auckland for lifesaving heart procedures like angiograms, angioplasty and the insertion of pacemakers, thanks to new operating theatres and a cardiac catheter laboratory opened at Whangārei Hospital by Health Minister Andrew Little today. The two projects – along with a new ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Fair Pay Agreements to improve pay and conditions for essential workers
    The Government is delivering on its pre-election commitment to implement Fair Pay Agreements which will improve wages and conditions, as well as help support our economic recovery, Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Michael Wood announced today. Fair Pay Agreements will set minimum standards for all employees and employers in an ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Establishment of the new Māori Health Authority takes first big step
    Sir Mason Durie will lead a Steering Group to provide advice to the Transition Unit on governance arrangements and initial appointments to an interim board to oversee the establishment of the Māori Health Authority. This Group will ensure that Māori shape a vital element of our future health system, Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Cycle trails move up a gear in Central
    Work on new and upgraded cycle trails in Queenstown, Arrowtown and Central Otago is moving up a gear as two significant projects pass further milestones today. Tourism Minister Stuart Nash has announced new funding for the Queenstown Trails Project, and will also formally open the Lake Dunstan Trail at Bannockburn ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Picton ferry terminal upgrade consent fast-tracked
    The planned upgrade of the Waitohi Picton Ferry terminal has been approved under the fast-track consenting process.  Environment Minister David Parker today welcomed the decision by the expert consenting panel to approve the Waitohi Picton Ferry Precinct Redevelopment Project.    The project will provide a significant upgrade to the ferry facilities ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Quarantine Free Travel with New South Wales paused
    COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins has announced his intention to pause Quarantine Free Travel from New South Wales to New Zealand while the source of infection of the two cases announced in Sydney in the last two days is investigated.  Whole genome sequencing has linked the case yesterday to a recent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Covid-19 immigration powers to be extended
    The passing of a bill to extend temporary COVID-19 immigration powers means continued flexibility to support migrants, manage the border, and help industries facing labour shortages, Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi said. “Over the past year, we’ve made rapid decisions to extend visas, vary visa conditions and waive some application requirements ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • “Supporting a Trade-Led Economic Recovery”
    Trade Policy Road Show SpeechManukau, Auckland   Kia ora koutou – nau mai, haere mai ki Manukau, ki Tāmaki.   Good morning everyone, and thank you for this opportunity to discuss with you current global challenges, opportunities and the Government’s strategy in support of a trade-led recovery from the economic ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Building consent numbers at an all-time high
    A record 41,028 new homes have been consented in the year ended March 2021 March 2021 consent numbers the highest since the 1940s Record number of new homes consented in Auckland The number of new homes consented is at an all-time high, showing a strong and increasing pipeline of demand ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Whānau-centred support for parents and tamariki
    Up to 60 whānau in Counties Manukau will be supported through the first three years of their parenthood by a new whānau-centred model of care, said Associate Health Minister, Hon Aupito William Sio. “Providing this support to young parents is something we have to get right. It’s a priority both ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • NZ backs moves to improve global access to COVID vaccines
    New Zealand welcomes and strongly supports the announcement made by the United States Trade Representative to work for a waiver of IP protections on COVID-19 vaccines at the WTO, Trade Minister Damien O’Connor said. “New Zealand supports equitable access to COVID vaccines for all. No one is safe from the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Tourism communities: support, recovery and re-set plan
    TIHEI MAURI ORA Tuia te whakapono Tuia te tumanako Tuia te aroha Tuia te hunga ora Ki te hunga ora Tihei Mauri ora Ka nui te mihi ki a koutou Tena koutou, tena koutou, tena koutou katoa. Thank you, Hilary and thank you, Chris, and everyone at TIA for this ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Support, recovery and re-set plan for tourism communities
    Five South Island tourist communities targeted for specialist support Pressure on Māori tourism operators and Conservation facilities recognised Domestic and international-facing tourism agencies put on more secure footing Long-term plan to re-set tourism with a focus on sustainability, industry standards and regional economic diversification A plan to ensure the immediate ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Speech on NZ Rail Plan
    Check against delivery E ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā karanga maha o te wa, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā tātou katoa. Ki ngā mana whenua o Taranaki Whānui anō nei aku mihi ki a koutou. Nōku te hōnore kia haere mai ki te whakanuia tēnei huihuinga whakahirahira. Nō ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government hits massive milestone in Violence Prevention & Elimination
    Minister for Family and Sexual Violence Marama Davidson announced a major milestone at a hui in South Auckland today, with the launch of the national engagement process on the prevention and elimination of family and sexual violence. “There is no room for violence in our lives – there is no ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Fee waiver extended for conservation tourism businesses
    Tourism businesses operating on public conservation land will have another six months of fees waived to help them adjust to the downturn in international visitors in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, Acting Minister of Conservation Dr Ayesha Verrall has announced. "We acknowledge it has been a difficult year for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • ‘Lua Wave’ to future-proof Pasifika Festivals in Aotearoa
    Pasifika festival organisers will receive additional support to adapt to the COVID-19 environment thanks to the Government’s newly launched ‘Lua Wave’ component of the Pasifika Festivals Initiative, Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Carmel Sepuloni announced today. “This initiative has not only been to support festival organisers to recover from ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Crown accounts show confidence in Govt economic plan
    The Government’s financial accounts continue to reflect the resilience of the economy and confidence in the Government’s economic recovery plan. The Crown accounts for the nine months to the end of March 2021 show both OBEGAL and the operating balance remain better than forecast in the Half Year Economic and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Energy Trusts of NZ Autumn Conference
    It’s a pleasure to be here today. Thank you Karen [Sherry] for the introduction and thanks to the Energy Trusts Executive for inviting me to speak at tonight’s event. It is an exciting time to come to speak to trustees of distribution companies. For many decades the electricity industry was ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New partnership to grow Māori success in STEM
    A new partnership with the Pūhoro STEM Academy will support thousands more rangatahi Māori to participate and succeed in the fields of science, technology, and innovation, Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Since 2016, Pūhoro has worked with Māori students to build their capability and create pathways to employment ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Rail builds platform for economic recovery
    Transport Minister Michael Wood and State-Owned Enterprises Minister Dr David Clark today released the Government’s long term vision for a sustainable rail network that supports our economic recovery. New Zealand Rail Plan lays out how the Government is building a resilient, reliable and safe network, as well as the indicative ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • NZ and UK agree to lift the pace of free trade talks
    New Zealand and the United Kingdom have agreed to rapidly lift the tempo of talks, as the two countries enter a new phase in free trade negotiations, Trade and Export Growth Minister Damien O’Connor announced today. “UK Secretary of State for International Trade, Liz Truss, and I spoke today about ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Counter-Terrorism Legislation Bill passes first reading
    The Counter-Terrorism Legislation Bill has passed its first reading and will now be considered by Parliament’s Justice select committee. “The Bill updates and improves New Zealand’s counter-terrorism legislation and ensures that the right legislative tools are available to intervene early and prevent harm,” Minister of Justice Kris Faafoi said. “The ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Statement on The Speaker and Annual Review Debate
    “The serious issue of alleged sexual assault and harassment at Parliament was poorly managed and inappropriately politicised last night. The tone of the debate did not reflect well on Parliament as a whole,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “Any investigation of claims of sexual assault should be in a manner ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Govt motoring towards zero-carbon buses and protecting drivers’ conditions
    Transport Minister Michael Wood is seeking feedback on options for the next phase of the Public Transport Operating Model (PTOM) review to better protect bus drivers’ pay conditions, and also achieving the Government’s target of fully decarbonising the public transport bus fleet by 2035. Michael Wood said investing in our ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Drop in unemployment shows Govt economic plan is working
    The Government’s economic recovery plan continues to be reflected in the labour market, with more people in work and unemployment falling. Stats NZ figures show employment rose by 15,000 in the March quarter, with 14,000 more women in work. The unemployment rate fell from 4.9 percent to 4.7 percent. This ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government sets pay and workforce expectations for the Public Sector
    The Government’s Workforce Policy Statement issued today sets out its expectations for pay and employment relations in the Public Sector, the Minister of Finance and Minister for the Public Service say. “New Zealand has had an exceptionally successful health and economic response to COVID-19. This has been supported by the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Author Ben Brown is New Zealand’s first Te Awhi Rito Reading Ambassador
    Lyttleton writer Ben Brown (Ngāti Mahuta, Ngāti Koroki, Ngāti Paoa) will be New Zealand’s first Te Awhi Rito Reading Ambassador, promoting the value of reading for children and young people, Internal Affairs Minister Jan Tinetti announced today. A poet and award-winning author, Ben Brown writes books, non-fiction and short stories ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Celebrating New Zealand’s firefighters this International Firefighters’ day
    With two fire stations already complete, and building underway on 16 fire stations around the country, today we celebrate International Firefighters’ Day for the important role firefighters have in keeping communities across the country safe, says Minister of Internal Affairs, Jan Tinetti. The work is progressing due to Government funding ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Ron Brierley knighthood to go
    Ron Brierley has written to the Clerk of the Executive Council to tender his resignation as a Knight Bachelor. The Queen has been informed. The forfeiture follows the Prime Minister initiating the process to remove his Knighthood. The Clerk of the Executive Council wrote to him on 6 April 2021 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Employment boost for rural communities
    The Government is continuing to create opportunities for at-risk rangatahi overcome barriers to employment, education or training with the next tranche of He Poutama Rangatahi programmes, Minister for Social Development and Employment Carmel Sepuloni announced today. “We’re focused on supporting rangatahi to get what they need to progress in the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Pre-Budget speech to Wellington Chamber of Commerce
    Thank you for the invitation to speak today, it is great to be here.  I mean that both sincerely and literally. For this equivalent speech last year I took part virtually, beaming in from the Beehive Theatrette with only a socially distanced press gallery bearing silent witness. You are a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Budget 2021 reprioritises nearly $1 billion
    The Government’s strong pandemic response and the better than expected economic recovery means not all the money allocated in the COVID-19 Response and Recovery Fund has been spent, Grant Robertson said in his annual pre-Budget speech to the Wellington Chamber of Commerce this morning. “As part of Budget preparation I ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Speech on Digital Identity Trust Framework
    I'd like to start by thanking Graeme, David and Ben from NZTech and Digital Identity New Zealand for inviting me to speak to you. I’m so sorry I can’t be there in person, but I want to acknowledge those of you who are, including some of this country’s top tech ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • NZ Cook Islands travel bubble significant step in COVID-19 recovery
    New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Cook Islands Prime Minister Mark Brown have today announced that, pending final confirmation by New Zealand’s Director-General of Health and the Cook Islands Secretary of Health, two-way quarantine-free travel will commence between the two countries on 17 May (NZT). “Two way quarantine-free travel ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Minister for State Owned Enterprises saddened by passing of KiwiRail Chair
    Minister for State Owned Enterprises, David Clark is deeply saddened to hear about the passing of KiwiRail Chairman, Brian Corban. “I know Brian was seen as a transformative leader within KiwiRail, well respected for his wisdom, honesty and sense of humour,” said David Clark. Mr Corban served as Chair of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Speech to the China Business Summit by the Minister for Trade and Export Growth
      Distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen.  Tena koutou katoa.  Good morning. It is my pleasure to join you today for this China Business Summit – my first as Minister for Trade and Export Growth as well as Minister of Agriculture – and to have the opportunity to speak to you ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago