web analytics

National’s strategy on the Housing Corp P fiasco

Written By: - Date published: 7:59 am, May 31st, 2018 - 83 comments
Categories: Abuse of power, accountability, housing, jacinda ardern, Judith Collins, national, paula bennett, Politics, same old national, Simon Bridges - Tags: , ,

A few years ago I was in awe of National’s media management. They seemed to be bullet proof. When confronted with issues they would role out these simplistic responses that you knew had been focus grouped to within an inch of their lives. John Key had this ability to stare into a camera and sum up the will of the majority. This is because that will had been surveyed extensively. Add in some Crosby Textor designed attack lines and they seemed impenetrable.

But no more. The current party leadership is insipid. Simon Bridges is on a tour of the country going to the most remote places for photo opportunities. Given the one sided nature of his tussles with Jacinda Ardern in the House I am not surprised.

No one else is firing.  Judith Collins stands above the rest because she managed to catch Phil Twyford sneak in a phone call after an airplane’s doors were closed.

And a multitude of problems caused by the last Government are becoming more and more apparent.

The latest is Housing Corp’s war of terror on any tenant when minute traces of methemphetamine was found in their flat.  The corporation’s stance attracted attention and informed ridicule two years ago.

Many learned voices said that Housing Corp was applying the wrong test, that they were insisting on clean ups for areas where methamphetamine had been consumed when the standard they were applying was for areas where methamphetamine had been manufactured.

They were told they were wrong, repeatedly. For instance by Dr Stuart Jessamine of the Ministry of Health. Listen to this interview from October 2016 and sense the frustration in his voice as he pleads for Housing Corp to understand.

But National saw a chance to be tough on drugs and on beneficiaries at the same time and clear out a few Housing Corp units and ready them for whatever, presumably sale.

They finally accept publicly they were wrong.  But their messaging is muddled and chaotic.

We had yesterday the strange situation yesterday where National MPs gave three different takes on the issue. They had to counter the very clear determination of Peter Gluckman that the policy was a crock, but even so their disparate responses were startling.

First up was Judith Collins. She said it was all basically Housing Corporation’s decision and had nothing to do with the Government. From Television New Zealand:

Speaking this morning to TVNZ 1’s Breakfast programme, Ms Collins was defensive of her former government, saying the decisions to evict people and undertake testing were made by Housing New Zealand, not Ms Bennett.

“The government didn’t tell Housing New Zealand to do this – this is a Housing New Zealand response and they have to act independently,” she said.

“If Housing New Zealand has taken certain steps .. they have told the minister what they’ve done, they haven’t asked the minister’s permission.”

So defence one was the Government had no control over decisions that led to a hundred million dollar spend. They were incompetent, rather than malevolent.

Then Simon Bridges had a go.  He said the government was basically ignorant of the problems.  From the Herald:

National leader Simon Bridges welcomed the new report out yesterday on methamphetamine, saying meant more people could occupy more houses but rejected speculation the previous Government was captured by the industry.

“If the standard was too high, in a sense, it’s good news if it comes down. It means we can have more people housed in more houses,” he told the Herald’s Focus this morning.

But he rejected any suggestion the previous Government was not as critical of the meth investigation and contamination industry as it could have been.

“Ultimately it was the same deal with us as it will be with this current Government,” he said.

But he said the situation remained unclear.

“We need to get to the bottom of it,” he said of a disparity between the Standards New Zealand standard and the Gluckman report finding. “It’s not entirely straightforward but it does seem clear the standard was too high.”

The second defence, National did not know about the faulty standard.  They were ignorant rather than malevolent.

Then to cap things off Paula Bennett had a go on Checkpoint.

Paula Bennett says Housing New Zealand should apologise to tenants kicked out over meth contamination, despite welcoming the agency’s zero-tolerance stance when she was social housing minister.

Ms Bennett was the relevant minister between 2014 and 2016, when hundreds of tenants were evicted from state houses after traces of methamphetamine were found, sometimes at levels now known to constitute no risk.

Ms Bennett said she welcomed the report and told Checkpoint that Housing New Zealand should re-evalute the cases of people who were evicted from their homes, in light of the new information.

“If I was the minister … I would certainly be wanting to look at it all and see individual cases and make sure that actually [the process] has been fair and reasonable,” Ms Bennett said.

When asked if some tenants should be compensated, she said they should.

Ms Bennett defended her views at the time she was minister, saying she herself had raised concerns about the testing limits at the time.

“I’ve always had concerns… I just didn’t think that the 0.5 [microgram limit] sounded right,” she said.

“I questioned [the Health Ministry] in particular who had set that standard, questioned Housing NZ numerous times, got the Standards Authority involved.”

Despite her concerns, Ms Bennett said she could not refute the evidence she was given or stand in the way of Housing New Zealand to impose a different set of standards.

Her statement that the Health Ministry set the relevant standard needs to be questioned.

So Bennett thinks that tenants should be compensated and that if she was the minister she would want to review individual cases and make sure that the process had been  fair and reasonable.

But here is the thing.  She was the Minister of Social Housing until December 18, 2016.

It is clear from this Radio New Zealand post that the Government must have realised its tough on methamphetamine stance was based on a faulty understanding.  On November 3, 2016 Radio New Zealand reported:

Housing New Zealand Minister Bill English is backtracking on his announcement of a review into meth evictions to determine whether the housing agency had been acting fairly.

The housing agency has been heavily criticised for using Ministry of Health meth test guidelines, which were only valid in former meth labs, to evict tenants for personal use.

Earlier today, Mr English told reporters that his agency would now review all of its meth evictions to see if it had acted fairly.

“Just going back over cases to make sure that they’ve been fairly treated,” he said.

“Now that [the Ministry of] Health have come up with another standard, Housing New Zealand are applying that, and they’re just checking through to make sure that whatever cases they’ve dealt with in the past were dealt with fairly.”

But Mr English later said he was confused, and there was a review of the houses left empty from meth contamination – not the evictions themselves.

Back then National must have known about the problem.  Why else would English announce a review of meth evictions, or even a review of empty houses?

And why the backtrack?  Presumably he was rolled by the rest of cabinet on his desire to actually ensure justice for housing corp tenants.

There must have been a conscious decision made to not review the meth evictions.  Which makes Bennett’s claim that there should be a review hard to stomach.

Fuckers. They actually contemplated a human response, an apology to those who had been hurt and a check to make sure Housing Corp had acted fairly.  Then they backtracked.

Whether this position was reached through National’s incompetence, its ignorance and failure to properly understand the situation, or a malevolent disinterest in the plight of the poor, or a combination of all three reasons, does not really matter.  Each reason shows that National should not be trusted with the levers of power.

I think their strategy is they want us to forget it all.  Let’s not do that.

83 comments on “National’s strategy on the Housing Corp P fiasco ”

  1. One Anonymous Bloke 1

    Her statement that the Health Ministry set the relevant standard needs to be questioned.

    According to Russell Brown and Andrew Geddis on Twitter (referring to RNZ interview)…

    Brown: …the MoH meth lab cleanup guidelines (which weren’t a standard) weren’t “discredited”. They were misunderstood and misused. I find myself somewhat concerned that Hooker has taken cases over this if that’s his level of understanding.

    Geddis: Yeah – he seemed not to understand what the Min of Health standard on contamination by manufacture related to … or, if he did, he was unusually forgiving of HNZ’s decision to adopt this as a basis for evicting people where there only was meth use.

    Bennett: incompetent, mendacious, corrupt.

  2. Gosman 2

    Why are you so focused on National MS? They aren’t even in power anymore in case you missed the last half year or so.

    • ScottGN 2.1

      Because the whole 100 million dollar fuckup was completely their fault.

      • Gosman 2.1.1

        You have the evidence that they instructed Housing NZ to implement the policy do you?

        • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1.1

          They didn’t prevent the policy despite knowing it was based on bullshit. Personal responsibility is a vicious, cynical lie. Thanks for confirming that.

        • ScottGN 2.1.1.2

          Do you have any evidence to support Bennett’s pathetic excuse that she was so inept as a Cabinet Minister that she was powerless to stop HNZ’s lunatic crusade?

          • tc 2.1.1.2.1

            nah evidence is something RWNJ’s ask for when they know it’s going to be hard to find.

            National were expert at leaving no trace which tends to be the case when you’ve dropped consultants into the public service to do your bidding.

            Coercion and the unspoken threat of losing your job tend to be very effective tools of that trade.. classic MO.

          • Gosman 2.1.1.2.2

            It is a huge leap from stating the policy has been shown not to have scientific backing to saying HNZC was on a ‘lunatic crusade’. There are multiple reasons HNZC may well have been interested in the Meth issue and acted in such a manner. They may well have been looking to err on the side of caution in relation to the safety of their tennants and did not want to assume that it was all good.

            • Stuart Munro 2.1.1.2.2.1

              Of course they will try to argue that – but it’s rubbish.

              It’s the same with their austerity economics – no foundation in anything but wishful thinking, but they’re wedded to it anyway.

              If you follow good science advice you have some comeback if it proves inadequate. But if, like the Gnats, you flagrantly and irresponsibly ignore all the evidence, then it’s on you. Entirely.

            • Dean Reynolds 2.1.1.2.2.2

              The way you defend the indefensible is despicable. Bennett & National were committed to privatising NZ s State housing stock & needed a smoke screen issue to distract from this. What better red herring than to put out the narrative that State house tenants were drugged up & worthy of eviction, even if the science was dodgy?
              After wasting $100 m of taxpayers’ funds, evicting whole families, charging some of them for the ‘clean up’, barring them from getting another State house for 12 months & boarding up 240 State houses during a housing crises, the truth has emerged & Gosman & his National Party cronies are exposed for shits that they are

              • Gosman

                I don’t know why you think I support the National party.

                • Stuart Munro

                  It’s pretty obvious:

                  Disparaging of anything Left or positive
                  Obsessed with Venezuela but knows nothing about it
                  Leaps to defend the most egregious National rorts every time

                • Matthew Whitehead

                  So what, you’re voting ACT? Conservative? NZ First, even? *shrug*

                  Doesn’t stop you from being an apologist for the Nats, clearly.

                • pat

                  what IS obvious is that you like wasting oxygen……….i hope you have been planting plenty of trees.

              • Baba Yaga

                “Bennett & National were committed to privatising NZ s State housing stock…”
                Complete bs. If that were the case they would have sold the lot over 9 years. They didn’t. In my opinion the market should provide virtually all social housing, because then it is private landlords who take the risk of owning homes where people want to live. The government suck at second guessing in todays fluid society. They should get the hell out of it.

                • Dean Reynolds

                  Baba Yaga, governments of all shades have been building State housing since the early 1900’s. Only Right Wing fanatics like you & Bennett believe that State housing should be privatised. If National had ‘sold the lot’ they would have been a one term government, given the opposition, NZ wide, to privatising state assets – remember the overwhelming ‘No’ referendum on the privatising of the power companies? Instead, National started privatising State housing by stealth.
                  Re your BS claim that ‘the government suck at second guessing’, who the hell do you think plans ahead when it comes to building new schools & hospitals – the shitty market place? You need to get a grip

                  • Baba Yaga

                    “who the hell do you think plans ahead when it comes to building new schools & hospitals”
                    When did I mention schools or hospitals? Please keep up.

                    “Only Right Wing fanatics like you & Bennett believe that State housing should be privatised.”
                    You’ve clearly never met a right wing fanatic. The private sector has been involved in the building of state housing provision for decades, just as they have been involved in the delivery of education and health services, I have no problem with the government funding social housing, but there is no good reason for taxpayers money to be tied up in owning homes when the private sector will do it for us.

                    • The private sector has been involved in the building of state housing provision for decades, just as they have been involved in the delivery of education and health services.

                      Except that they haven’t, BY. National has sold off 6,000 state homes between 2008 and 2016.

                      And most education and health is state funded. The private sector can’t even do private schools without requiring a handout from taxpayers to survive.

                      but there is no good reason for taxpayers money to be tied up in owning homes when the private sector will do it for us.

                      Except that private sector can’t, BY. In case you hadn’t noticed, that’s what this is all about.

                      I’m guessing that the colour of the glasses you’re wearing have a rose-tint to them. Because your world-view is at variance with the reality around us.

              • edgil

                Well put Dean Reynolds. We need articulate defenders like you. Thanks.

            • McFlock 2.1.1.2.2.3

              Not really.

              Evicting hundreds of people on no rational grounds is most definitely irrational, and doing so for years after the stupidity is pointed out certainly matches the duration of a crusade.

              • Gosman

                Given this “obvious” fact why hasn’t Phil Twyford dismissed the senior leadership team of HNZC since they implemented this “Lunatic crusade”?

                • McFlock

                  Probably because the final responsibility for the policy doesn’t rest with them, but his predecessors.

                  • Gosman

                    Oh so the leadership of HNZC only go on a ‘Lunatic crusade’ when they are told to.

                    Do they not have any ability to make decisions for themselves then and if not, do you not think management of a Crown entity should be allowed to think for themselves considering they are paid a lot of money?

                    • McFlock

                      Hey, if they have a lunatic idea that gets immediately scotched, that’s one thing.

                      If it goes on literally for years and results in the eviction of hundreds of people, then obviously they’re fulfilling the wishes of their minister.

                      While the Nuremburg Defense might not apply to war crimes, it certainly would make for a very interesting unfair dismissal case.

                    • Gosman []

                      You are just making excuses for the bad performance of the HNZC leadership team

                    • Crashcart

                      Have you worked in government Gos? Even as a pleb at my level it is made very clear that no decision that may eventually reflect upon the minister or government should be made without it first being run by and approved by said minister. When you are talking about something as large scale as setting these sorts of limits and spending the money on clean up that was spent you have to have you shit sorted.

                      There is no way this was as simple as the heads of HNZC making a decision and back briefing the minister. The environments in which we operate are set at ministerial level. We are well aware when we put something before a minister of what their expectations and attitudes are and we have to work to those.

                      I don’t get how the sort of people who support paying both COE’s and Ministers such high wages because of the responsibility are then more then happy for them to dump that responsibility on those who work for them.

                    • Gosman []

                      Yes and have just finished a stint with HNZC interestonly enough. They seem quite autonomous

                    • Stuart Munro

                      “You are just making excuses for the bad performance of the HNZC leadership team”

                      You are just inventing excuses for the disgraceful previous government because the truth shows them to be irredeemable villains.

                    • McFlock

                      You are just making excuses for the bad performance of the HNZC leadership team

                      You’re pretending it was bad performance, rather than a bad job done well.

                      The methmyth served government policy 100%.
                      The myth was exposed to ministers years ago.
                      The ministers refused to change the policy.

                      Public servants might be moral vacuums who serve government policy no matter what its impact, but serving bad policy doesn’t always mean their performance is bad. Just that their masters are bad.

                      The flipside is when they can’t adapt to serve new masters. That’s when you’d expect to see higher-level turnover.

        • Ken 2.1.1.3

          Gosman – Did National not have a ministry and a minister of housing when they were in government and all this was going on?

          • Gosman 2.1.1.3.1

            HNZC is not the Ministry of Housing. It is a standalone Crown agency.

            • Ken 2.1.1.3.1.1

              That’s not what I asked you.

            • Frank Macskasy 2.1.1.3.1.2

              The Right are very big on demanding personal responsibility, Gosman.

              “We’re striving for a safe, vibrant and progressive New Zealand that encourages individual choice, responsibility and excellence”

              ref: http://act.org.nz/join/

              “We believe this will be achieved by building a society based on the following values:

              […]

              Personal Responsibility”

              ref: https://www.national.org.nz/our-values

              Who takes responsibility for bogus meth testing/cleaning and the $100 million it has cost taxpayers?

              Because so far, neither Bridges , English, nor Bennett have put their hand up to take responsibility for this fiasco.

        • tracey 2.1.1.4

          Just to clarify, you are saying that personal responsibility is something for other people and when Nats are in Cabinet the buck doesnt stop with them. Makes you wonder why they get such high salaries and perks

    • JessNZ 2.2

      We focus on National because again and again, they make Labour look so good in comparison.

      Don’t strain any muscles while you stretch for any plausible justification for Bennett failing to do her Social Housing job.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.3

      Because National’s lying needs to be held up to the light.

      • Gosman 2.3.1

        The light of a left wing blog which most people who read it don’t support the National party. Who is being convinced of the “evils” of National by doing this?

        • Draco T Bastard 2.3.1.1

          It filters out and we know that not only Left read this blog. You’re here for example and not all of the Right are as stuck in their ways and against the evidence as you.

    • Enough is Enough 2.4

      On current polling National is still the most popular party in Parliament.

      It is therefore critical that we continue to highlight their failings so that we can collapse that support.

      • Gosman 2.4.1

        Since that seems to have been one of the main activities of certain people on this blog for the past 9 plus years how’s it been working out for you guys so far ? 🙂

        • crashcart 2.4.1.1

          Being that they are no longer the government I would think the trend is in the right direction.

          • Baba Yaga 2.4.1.1.1

            Being that they are still the most popular party in parliament, I would think not!

            • tracey 2.4.1.1.1.1

              Which says an awful lot about the people who vote for them

              Running down of hospitals
              High youth suicide rates
              Under supply of teachers
              Under supply of midwives
              Growing child poverty
              Wrongful spending on meth decontamination
              Suppression of unfavourable reports during an election
              Deliberate breaches of Privacy Act
              Deliberate flouting of conflict of interest rules
              Creating crime stats
              Deliberate misuse of OIA
              Bungled and negligent EQC repairs

              And still 44% will vote for them cos they believe BS like ‘we got dud advice’

              At some point some Nat voters must get sick of being made to look like fools by repeating tge crap our of tgeir MPs mouths

              • Baba Yaga

                You’re making it up Tracey. Meanwhile, labour break promises and lie their way along the merry road to electoral oblivion.

                • McFlock

                  I must say that I’m loving national’s lose the election and whine like a little bitch model of dooming its enemies to “electoral oblivion”. The most popular losers in parliament definitely struck a tremendous blow for NZ society when they chose that strategy.

    • Carolyn_nth 2.5

      Of course, it’s not like the Nats spent 9 years in government attacking Labour and the Green Party; David Cunliffe, “9 long years” of Labour so it’s “Labour’s fault”, form letters, where they live (Cunliffe), where they studied (Cunliffe), what they wear (Turei), past history on benefits, etc, etc…..???!!!

      • tracey 2.5.1

        Shhhhhh, inconvenient facts explode Nat heads

      • Baba Yaga 2.5.2

        When someone tries to pass off a mansion in one of the Auckland’s priciest suburbs as just a do-up, then their opponents will call bs, and rightly so. When someone makes claims on their CV that a demonstrably false, then their opponents will call bs, and rightly so. And when someone commits benefit fraud and is proud of it, then their opponents will call bs, and rightly so.

    • Leonhart Hunt 2.6

      National is in opposition, to say they have no power belittles our democracy, we don’t have a two party race and then at the finish line the opponent shuffles quietly off an opposition still votes on bill’s , has influence on issues and wields real power to change, just less than the party “in” power and by our last election the power wielded between national and the coalition’s difference is minimal.

      While the coalition gets to wear the fancy hat and decide the dance list, national is not powerless, in fact I would call our last election a truly odd victory that has a both labour and national sitting government.

      • tracey 2.6.1

        Well said and their influence via main media remains strong, not to mention the relaying of deeds by supporters back to Ms Collins.

  3. Don’t you mean Government? Gos

  4. Yes, National and specifically Paula Bennett, were very aware of expert concerns in 2016 and claimed to be reviewing it. Took the new govt to stop the scam. Nat and Bennett doing as trained and pretending not to remember, hoping the voters will forget.

    ‘Housing New Zealand is wasting millions of dollars on vacating and cleaning states houses “contaminated” with methamphetamine which are actually safe to live in, an expert says.’

    ‘Social Housing Minister Paula Bennett says she shares some of the concerns, and officials are reviewing methamphetamine (P) contamination guidelines to see whether they should be changed.

    ‘Massey University environmental chemist Nick Kim, who helped develop the guidelines, said they were being inaccurately applied to properties where P had been smoked, not manufactured.’

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81548539/Officials-reviewing-P-contamination-guidelines-as-expert-says-risk-overstated

  5. Sabine 6

    The state goal was that the State should do nothing to house our poor, our elders, our infirm, and that their wetdream is to sell what ever housing is still in the states name. As for the tenants? As the vile P.Bennet (Beneficiary par excellence) would say : Zip it sweety, or I dox you to the media.

    So my bet is they were indifferent to the plight they caused, they were malevolent in their intentions and they are liars, and to a large extend the polite classes of NZ knew this and could care not one bit, as they were not the ones kicked out of housing, branded as drug users, branded as drug using/cooking parents, and the same can still be said today of the chattering useless polite landed gentry that runs NZ politics.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.1

      The state goal was that the State should do nothing to house our poor, our elders, our infirm, and that their wetdream is to sell what ever housing is still in the states name.

      National’s goal is to sell off everything the state owns because:

      James Meek has it right when he argues that ordinary people end up paying ‘private taxes’ to companies for privatised services:

      [What] makes water and roads and airports valuable to an investor foreign or otherwise, is the people who have no choice but to use them. We have no choice but to pay the price the tollkeepers charge. We are a human revenue stream; we are being made tenants in our own land, defined by the string of private fees we pay to exist here.

      Quote from Why we can’t afford the rich” by Andrew Sayer, Richard Wilkinson

      Privatisation is simply a way to increase the unearned income that the rich get.

  6. bwaghorn 7

    Standi national == we knew but we did fuck all and it wasn’t our job any way . Middle management at it’s best

  7. DH 8

    I didn’t know much about this except for the media reports on it. Now it’s blown up I did a little reading and find myself appalled at the ease of which we can see such a miscarriage of justice in this country. I thought it was largely just about differences of (professional) opinion when clearly it’s more serious that that.

    To my mind this is big enough, and enough people have been unfairly penalised, to call for a commission of inquiry to get to the bottom of it.

    In light of all the other information this needs looking into IMO (hat tip to incognito for the link);

    https://www.standards.govt.nz/sponsored-standards/testing-and-decontamination-of-methamphetamine-contaminated-properties/

    It appears to fly in the face of scientific opinion that properties where P was only used do not require decontamination. (see section 2.1.x) AU/NZS Standards are serious and authoritative publications, how and why did they get it so wrong?

  8. Drowsy M. Kram 9

    National in ‘Government’ = the party of malign neglect.

    And ‘party’ hard they did, on so many fronts from crises in housing and health services, to public asset sales, to creating tax ‘havens’, to degrading the environment and a ‘not our problem’ attitude to biosecurity.

    Commissions of inquiry are needed, soon. Many of National’s farcical excuses for public servants (Key, English, Joyce, Coleman) have done a runner (see how they run), but that’s no reason to let worms off the hook.

  9. taxicab 10

    Let’s not forget the Genesis of this . METHCON a business started by a one Mike Sabin .

  10. Michelle 11

    Collins is talking a load of crap as usual same old bull from an old bull that needs to be put down. (past its use by date)

  11. The Chairman 12

    Good post, Micky. You raise some valid points. National’s oversight was lacking to say the least.

    HNZ tenants weren’t the only ones negatively impacted from this. Homeowners, landlords and insurance companies have also suffered unnecessary costs/losses.

    Therefore, although Bennett’s claim is hard to stomach, she is correct in her belief compensation should be paid. And if we’re honest, I think most on the left would have to agree with that.

    After exploiting the treatment of HNZ tenants to score political points,  Phil Twyford  shows his true colours.

    “I haven’t given any thought to compensation and I don’t intend to.” – Phil Twyford 

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/05/landlords-won-t-get-compensation-for-following-incorrect-meth-standards.html

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018647263/no-compensation-for-meth-evictions-housing-nz

    • Muttonbird 12.1

      I couldn’t find any example in those links of Twyford using HNZ tenants to score political points.

      Your prime objective here is to discredit the Labour led government and this effort proves it.

      • The Chairman 12.1.1

        Those links weren’t given with the intent to give that example as it is rather common knowledge. Nevertheless, here (below) is one example.

        Twyford referenced the case of Robert Erueti, who was evicted from his state house where he lived for more than 15 years, after traces of meth were detected.

        “A very, very tiny amount of methamphetamine residue was found on his property. I don’t think there was any suggestion that he was responsible for that,” Twyford said.

        “He was evicted from his property and spent the last 14 months living in a grotty boarding house and then homeless. It is a mad policy, it is unfair.”

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11962497

        My objective in this instance is highlighting this Labour led Government’s failure to offer compensation. Hence, your assertion proves nothing.

        Moreover, are you going to defend Twyford’s cold-hearted stance?

        Are you genuinely going to tell me you are from the left and are going to oppose people being compensated for this?

        As for discrediting this Labour led Government, Twyford (via his comment) did that all on his own. I merely highlighted it.

  12. Ken 13

    One word…….”Methcon”

  13. Ankerrawshark 14

    Chairman I applause Twyford for uncovering this Rort.

    You people and I include Paula B in this don’t give a dam and just use this situation caused by National to get a dig at labour.

    Paula b was minister when this happened =Minister is responsible………

    • The Chairman 14.1

      I also applaud Twyford. But he’s now dropped the ball a number of times.

      Ruling out compensation. But I see he has done a bit of a flip flop on that, which is good. And if it wasn’t for the immense public outcry (such as from the media and people like myself) the flip flop would have been unlikely.

      He was ignorant to the fact HNZ are still pursuing tenants for now-discredited meth decontamination. Which I see in another turn around has now stopped. The media pressure and public outcry was again immense.

      And that the new standard HNZ has adopted is still not fit for purpose. Meaning unnecessary costs, stress and social harm is still going to be created. All based upon a “might be”

      As this is still yet to sink in, there has been little public outcry, thus no turn around in sight as yet.

      I’m not using this to merely have a dig at Labour. I highlight these things in the hope the public outcry (my voice combined with others and the media) will help lead to them backtracking and doing better.

      Are you implying you also applaud Twyford ruling out compensation, HNZ for pursuing tenants for now-discredited meth decontamination and HNZ adopting a standard that is still not fit for purpose? I don’t, hence I’m speaking out.

      Remaining silent would help turn these things around. Moreover, applauding these things sends the Government the wrong message.

  14. Brigante 15

    Gosman should quit being a fake and use his proper name..Whale Oil!

    • Matthew Whitehead 15.1

      For the second time this month… Gosman isn’t Cam Slater. You’ll know someone is Cam Slater because they’ll be warned or banned almost as soon as they start posting.

  15. Bryan 16

    Twyford= hypocrisy
    Previously all indignant and outrage at the victims of the “meth moral panic” eviction and remediation scam.
    Now there will be no apology or compo.
    A lesson from someone with a little more substance.
    His colleague, Justice Minister Andrew Little, last night said an apology was warranted.

    • Gabby 16.1

      Lord Andrew McKenzie must have informed him as to what was going to be acceptable to his lordship.

  16. Ken 17

    Another thing to consider is who is bringing in the meth.
    A few kilos of meth can’t be cheep, and you’d need to know the scene pretty well in China where it comes from to jack it up.
    You’d need to be very wealthy…….wealthy like those Chinese people who snapped up all our houses by outbidding Kiwis at the auctions.
    The kind of people who had direct access to John Key and his MPs.

    • edgil 17.1

      Bingo. Or should I shout Housie.
      That is who will be moving in. Already witnessing it.
      Where is our Special Counsel Investigator Mueller?
      Collusion?

      • Ken 17.1.1

        Where is our Steven Colbert?
        The media have been complicit.
        Smart move getting the taxpayer to bail out Joyce’s Media Works.

        • edgil 17.1.1.1

          Mike Hoskings stopped me watching and listening ,with both Morning Report RNZ and TV.
          I never turn the TV on now. Only just starting to carefully listen to RNZ and BFM Due being stuck in the Maelstrom of Auckland traffic.
          I get to look through the Hurricane wire fences at empty land where once my neighbours lived. It saddens me.

  17. … ‘ I think their strategy is they want us to forget it all. Let’s not do that ‘ ….

    ^^^

    THIS.

    Because that is precisely why New Zealanders don’t learn from past dabbling’s with the National party. And every time they pay the price for it.

    Slow learners.

    Conversely , every time they get sick of being shown yet again how toxic National are , they reach for the Labour vote and , while liking the social aspects,… still fail to recognize Labour is still in thrall to the neo liberals among them.

    Slow learners.

    What we really need, – and have a low prospect of at present , – is our own Jeremy Corbyn to arise. He or she does exist in this country , … they just need to step forwards and pick up the mantle.

    And although the current coalition is a good one, and infinitely better than National ever was or could be,… they are still a far cry from what this country needs ; a true Corbynesque social and economic revolution.

    • Gosman 18.1

      Corbyn will not be the sort of leader you think he will be. I guarantee if he ever gets in to power you will be disappointed within a very rapid timeframe.

      • Stuart Munro 18.1.1

        We’re disappointed with Bridges and Judith now, and they’re not even in power. And their pathetic trolls. Corbyn would be a massive step in the right direction – we know for sure what you like doesn’t work at all.

    • edgil 18.2

      Succinct Wild Katipo.

  18. Robert Guyton 19

    Has anyone footage of Key speaking to this issue in the House?

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Progress in establishment of Aged Care Commissioner
    Recruitment for an Aged Care Commissioner will start next month, to ensure greater oversight of New Zealand’s aged care sector. “This sector is responsible for supporting a large and often vulnerable population. While most people are able to access quality care, there have been cases where that care has fallen ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago
  • New record number of homes consented
    In the year ended June 2021, the actual number of new dwellings consented was 44,299, up 18 percent from the June 2020 year. In June 2021, the seasonally adjusted number of new dwellings consented rose 3.8 percent. In June 2021, 4,310 new dwellings were consented, an increase of 3.8 per ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Communities backed to tackle wilding pines
    Twelve community projects across New Zealand will receive a share of $2 million to carry out wilding pine control, Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor announced as part of Biosecurity Week. “Wilding pines are a serious problem that threaten many of the unique landscapes that New Zealanders value. Community groups and trusts ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Health Minister Andrew Little responding to the New Zealand Nurses Organisation's rejection of ...
    I was advised last night that the result of the ballot of Tōpūtanga Tapuhi Kaitiaki o Aotearoa New Zealand Nurses Organisation members have rejected the latest proposal to settle their collective agreement. Let me be clear: the proposal was one they put to the Government. The Nurses Organisation rejected their ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation introduced to Parliament
    Legislation has been introduced to Parliament to protect against practices intended to change or suppress someone’s sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression. Introducing the Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation Bill, Minister of Justice, Kris Faafoi, said the measures proposed were aimed at ending conversion practices which don’t work, are widely ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New school site for booming West Auckland
    The Government will build on a new school site in West Auckland to cope with rapid population growth in the area, Education Minister Chris Hipkins says. The Ministry is working with existing local schools to determine how the 1.5-hectare site at 279 Hobsonville Point Road will be used to support ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Trans-Tasman travel window to close at midnight tomorrow
    A further 500 MIQ rooms released for managed returnees from NSW Further Government actions announced today are balanced to provide more certainty for Kiwis wanting to return from Australia, while continuing to protect New Zealand from COVID-19, acting Minister for COVID-19 Response Ayesha Verrall says. The actions were foreshadowed last ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Govt investing millions in Hawke's Bay and Tairāwhiti schools
    Napier Boys’ and Girls’ High Schools are among those set to benefit from a $16.5 million investment in the Hawke's Bay and Tairāwhiti region, Economic and Regional Development Minister Stuart Nash announced today. The Government has set aside money in Budget 2021 to accelerate five projects in Napier, Hastings, Havelock North ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Game changing Jobs for Nature investment for Northland
    Conservation Minister Kiri Allan has announced Jobs for Nature funding for a portfolio of projects that will create ‘game changing’ gains for nature and communities across Northland/Te Tai Tokerau as part of the Government’s acceleration of the economic recovery from COVID. “This portfolio of 12 projects will see over $20 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Third COVID-19 vaccine receives provisional approval
    New Zealand’s regulatory authority Medsafe has granted provisional approval of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine for individuals 18 years of age and older, Acting Minister for COVID-19 Response Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. New Zealand secured 7.6 million doses (enough for 3.8 million people) of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine through an ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Bowel-cancer screening programme is saving lives
    More than 1000 New Zealanders have had bowel cancer – New Zealand’s second-most-common cause of death from cancer - detected under the Government’s National Bowel Screening Programme, Health Minister Andrew Little said today. More than 1200 New Zealanders died from bowel cancer in 2017. The screening programme aims to save ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Govt welcomes draft report on the retail grocery sector
    The Commerce Commission’s draft report into the retail grocery sector is being welcomed by Government as a major milestone. “I asked the Commerce Commission to look at whether this sector is as competitive as it could be and today it has released its draft report for consultation,” Commerce and Consumer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Christchurch’s Youth Hub ‘set to go’ thanks to further Government funding
    Construction of New Zealand’s first, purpose-built centre for youth well-being is ready to get underway thanks to an extra $2.5 million of COVID-19 response funding, Housing Minister and Associate Minister of Finance, Megan Woods announced today.  “The Christchurch Youth Hub is about bringing together all the things young people need ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Next step to protect Milford Sound Piopiotahi
    Expert group lays out plan to better protect iconic UNESCO World Heritage site Milford Sound Piopiotahi and its surrounds Funding confirmed for dedicated unit and Establishment Board to assess the recommendations and provide oversight of the process from here Milford Opportunities Project a test case for transformational change in tourism ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Funding for projects to reduce waste from construction and demolition
    The Government has announced funding for projects in Auckland and the lower North Island to help reduce construction and demolition waste. “Construction is the main source of waste sent to landfill, and much of this could be reduced, reused and recovered,” Environment Minister David Parker said. “The Government is funding ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Speech at the launch of the National Hepatitis C Action Plan
    Tēnā koutou katoa. Thank you Anglesea Pharmacy and Te Manawa Taki for hosting this event. As a doctor, I saw first hand the impact of hepatitis C. I met Moana in 2019; she came to the infectious diseases outpatient clinic at Wellington Hospital having tested positive for hepatitis C. Like ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Plan to eliminate hepatitis C as a major health threat by 2030
    A plan to eliminate hepatitis C in New Zealand, reducing liver cancer and the need for liver transplants, has been released today by Associate Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall. “Around 45,000 New Zealanders have hepatitis C, but only around half know they have it,” said Ayesha Verrall. “Symptoms often ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • School upgrades and new classrooms for West Coast, Tasman and Canterbury
    A funding injection from Budget 2021 to complete four shovel ready projects and new classrooms at six schools and kura will provide a real boost to local communities, Minister Dr Megan Woods announced today. “This Government has committed to providing quality fit for purpose learning environments and 100,000 new student ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Warmer Kiwi Homes smashes annual target
    The Government's highly successful insulation and heating programme, Warmer Kiwi Homes, is celebrating a key milestone with the completion of more than 38,000 insulation and efficient heater installs in the year to the end of June, smashing its target of 25,000 installs for the year. “The Warmer Kiwi Homes scheme ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Exemption granted for Wallabies to enter NZ
    Bledisloe Cup rugby will be played in New Zealand after the Australian rugby team received an economic exemption to enter New Zealand. Travel between Australia and New Zealand was suspended on Friday for at least eight weeks following the worsening of the COVID outbreak across the Tasman. New Zealanders have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Minister of Foreign Affairs makes three diplomatic appointments
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced three New Zealand Head of Mission appointments. They are: Mike Walsh as Ambassador to Iran Michael Upton as Ambassador to Ethiopia and the African Union Kevin Burnett as Ambassador to Indonesia Iran “Aotearoa New Zealand has a long-standing and constructive relationship with Iran, despite a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Enhanced Task Force Green Approved for West Coast and Marlborough
    The Government has activated Enhanced Task Force Green (ETFG) in response to the West Coast and Marlborough floods, Social Development and Employment Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced today. “To assist with the clean-up, up to $500,000 will be made available to support the recovery in Buller and Marlborough which has experienced ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Govt support for upgrade of Eden Park players facilities
    Minister for Sport and Recreation Hon Grant Robertson has announced funding to upgrade the players facilities at Eden Park ahead of upcoming Women’s World Cup events. Eden Park is a confirmed venue for the Rugby World Cup 2021, the ICC Women’s Cricket World Cup 2022, and a proposed venue for matches of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • More jobs and quicker public transport motoring towards West Auckland
    Work to improve public transport for West Aucklanders and support the region’s economic recovery by creating hundreds of jobs has officially kicked off, Transport Minister Michael Wood announced today. Michael Wood and Auckland Mayor Phil Goff this morning marked the start of construction on the Northwestern Bus Improvements project. It ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Government backs critical health research
    Research into some of New Zealanders’ biggest health concerns including cancer, diabetes, and heart disease is getting crucial support in the latest round of health research funding, Health Minister Andrew Little announced today. The funding, awarded through the Health Research Council of New Zealand, covers 31 General Project grants ($36.64 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • New Bay of Islands hospital facilities to bring services closer to home
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Andrew Little have joined a ceremony to bless the site and workers for Phase Two of the redevelopment of the Bay of Islands Hospital in Kawakawa today. The new building will house outpatients and primary care facilities, as well as expanded renal care ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Raukokore re-imagined with ‘smart’ relocatable rent to own housing
    Iwi, Crown Partnership Relocatable, fully insulated housing, connected to a new solar plant Provides a pathway to home ownership New housing in the remote eastern Bay of Plenty community of Raukokore shows how iwi and Crown agencies can work together effectively to provide warm, dry, energy efficient homes in a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Cabinet accepts Turkish authorities’ request for the managed return of three NZ citizens
    Cabinet has agreed to the managed return of a New Zealand citizen and her two young children from Turkey, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today. The three have been in immigration detention in Turkey since crossing the border from Syria earlier this year. Turkey has requested that New Zealand repatriate ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Govt delivers more classrooms so children can focus on learning
    Extra Government investment in classrooms and school building projects will enable students and teachers to focus on education rather than overcrowding as school rolls grow across the country, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis say. The pair visited Ruakākā School in Whangārei today to announce $100 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • New station a platform for AirportLink to take off
    Every Aucklander with access to the rail network will now have a quick and convenient trip to the airport, Transport Minister Michael Wood and Auckland Mayor Phil Goff said during the official opening of the new Puhinui Interchange today. The new interchange links the rail platform with a new bus ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • 10 days sick leave for employees delivered
    Legislation doubling employees’ minimum sick leave entitlement to 10 days comes into effect today, bringing benefits to both businesses and employees, Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Michael Wood announced today. “Our Government is delivering on a key manifesto commitment to help Kiwis and workplaces stay healthy,” Michael Wood said. “COVID-19 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Prime Minister congratulates Fiame Naomi Mata’afa on Election Win
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern tonight congratulated Prime Minister-elect Fiame Naomi Mata’afa on her victory in the Samoa’s general election. “New Zealand has a special relationship with Samoa, anchored in the Treaty of Friendship. We look forward to working with Samoa’s new government in the spirit of partnership that characterises this ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Quarantine Free Travel with Australia suspended
    Quarantine Free Travel from all Australian states and territories to New Zealand is being suspended as the Covid situation there worsens, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. From 11.59pm today Australians will no longer be able to enter New Zealand quarantine-free. This will be ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Growing conservation efforts in Gisborne
    A big injection of Jobs for Nature funding will create much-needed jobs and financial security for families in TeTairāwhiti, and has exciting prospects for conservation in the region, Conservation Minister Kiri Allan says. “The projects target local communities most affected by the economic consequences of COVID 19 and are designed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Flood recovery given further assistance
    The Government is contributing a further $1 million to help the flood battered Buller community, Acting Emergency Management Minister Kris Faafoi announced today. “Buller is a small community which has found itself suddenly facing significant and ongoing welfare costs. While many emergency welfare costs are reimbursed by Government, this money ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Funding for five projects to reduce food waste
    The Government is funding five projects to help address the growing problem of food waste, Environment Minister David Parker announced today. “New Zealand households throw away nearly 300,000 tonnes of food every year, half of which could still be eaten. By supporting these initiatives, we’re taking steps to reduce this ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Temporary Accommodation Service activated for West Coast flooding event
    The Temporary Accommodation Service (TAS) has been activated today - meaning residents on the West Coast of the South Island and in the Marlborough region hit by flooding over the weekend can now access help finding temporary accommodation, announced Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing) Poto Williams in Westport today. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Pause to Quarantine Free Travel from South Australia to New Zealand
    Quarantine Free Travel from South Australia to New Zealand will be paused from 11.59am (NZT) tonight, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins has announced. However, people currently in the state who ordinarily live in New Zealand will be able to return on “managed return” flights starting with the next available flight, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand condemns malicious cyber activity by Chinese state-sponsored actors
    New Zealand has established links between Chinese state-sponsored actors known as Advanced Persistent Threat 40 (APT40) and malicious cyber activity in New Zealand. “The GCSB has worked through a robust technical attribution process in relation to this activity. New Zealand is today joining other countries in strongly condemning this malicious ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Remarks to Diplomatic Corps
    It is a pleasure to be with you all this evening. Some of you may have been surprised when you received an invitation from the Minister of Disarmament and Arms Control, and I would forgive you if you were. New Zealand is unique in having established a Ministerial portfolio ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago