National’s Youth lauranorda rhetoric

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1. OnceWasTim 1

   27 November 2019 at 2:46 pm

   I'm quite interested in getting the measure of the man. It's quite easy to cast him off as just being as thick as pigshit, and there's always the difference between intelligence and animal cunning.

   Do you (and others) think he actually believes his own bullshit? I suspect he does, and would probably march with it to his grave – unless he thought there was another earn in it
   • roy cartland 1.1

     27 November 2019 at 2:52 pm

     His strategy is twofold:

     a) Whip up resentment and hate and build a rabid base like Trump et al. So crazy it just might get them across the line.

     b) Appear ignorant and out-of-touch thereby leaving the field wide open for another member to have a go after they lose in 2020; they will be able to gauge whether to push harder with the craziness or pull back and go 'centre'.
     • OnceWasTim 1.1.1

       27 November 2019 at 2:58 pm

       So as in a), not too different from Shane Jones – although in his case, intelligence and animal cunning have been issued in equal measure.

       The worst thing is knowing the number of people that actually buy into it all
     • joe90 1.1.2

       27 November 2019 at 6:02 pm

       His strategy is twofold:

       a) Whip up resentment and hate and build a rabid base like Trump et al.

       Overheard yesterday at pack 'n' slave..

       " Did you knowJacinda Arden is called Cinderella because she's building all these state houses for gang members who wreck them and they have pitbulls and they wreck state houses and national selling all the state houses was good because gang members and FJK was great and once upon a time state houses weren't wrecked because only good people got them and now gang members with pitbulls burglarise and I like Blinglish but he's not there now but that new fella Luxon is good gang members wreck state houses did you know she's called Cinderella now because…"
       • Anne 1.1.2.1

         27 November 2019 at 7:20 pm

         Reminds me of a story I heard about Helen Clark when she was PM.

         When she was at Auckland uni she had a [supposed] lesbian partner [name deleted] and they both had big ambitions and wanted to hide their relationship so they decided to each marry a man from academia to act as a cover for their relationship and allow them to pursue their careers.

         Both were successful and reached the top of their respective careers. And to my knowledge both remain happily married to their respective spouses from academia-land.

         That story was told me back in the 2000s by someone who had been told it by someone etc. etc. and I was astonished by some of the people who thought it might be true.
         • Peter 1.1.2.1.1

           27 November 2019 at 9:53 pm

           Should we start a story about how Simon Bridges doesn't have a brain? At least he keeps providing the evidence to support the notion.
           • Anne 1.1.2.1.1.1

             28 November 2019 at 10:14 am

             That's a problem Peter because it is true.
   • Incognito 1.2

     27 November 2019 at 2:56 pm

     If you pose it as a binary, e.g. does he believe all or none of his own BS, I think you won’t be getting anywhere.
     • OnceWasTim 1.2.1

       27 November 2019 at 3:05 pm

       Oh I agree @Mr Cogs. I'm not trying to put a label on him either. Just interested in what drives a muppet like that.

       But if I had to, it'd be something like an 'exceptionalist opportunist' – the primary purpose of which is to advance his own agenda (again, not unlike Hold-The-Ladder-Steady Shane).

       Ego plays a big part in it all it seems.
       • Incognito 1.2.1.1

         27 November 2019 at 3:16 pm

         Mr Cogs, no less!! People make so many assumptions so easily 😉

         National’s strategy is not about specific policies or policy details. It is all about the vibe and feeling they create to pull people (voters) in or push them in the opposite direction. Similarly, what the leader says is less important than how he says it and whether he embodies certain values to certain people. It may not work so well for the leader but at a party level, the support base has been relatively strong and stable. For these reasons, they will not opt for nuance or compromise. In other words, expect more of the same over the next year.
         • OnceWasTim 1.2.1.1.1

           27 November 2019 at 3:41 pm

           Sorry Mr @ Incognito. But all of which doesn't really give me any insight into what causes a muppet like Soimun to get up in the morning – other than he's trapped in a Whurl, knows he is, and now has to play out the part. I'm erring on the side of a binary animal cunning. Long term, he's probably going to need some survivalist skills

           Anyway……I didn't really mean to stifle the thread and get into some deep an meaningful psycho-analysis of Soimun Bridges. (Time is a finite resource).

           Let's just agree maybe, the guy is a compete muppet who probably wouldn't feel uncomfortable in the company of a ScoMo, or even an Anning
           • Sacha 1.2.1.1.1.1

             27 November 2019 at 5:06 pm

             Bridges reads the lines he is given. Empty vessel.
2. ianmac 2

   27 November 2019 at 3:23 pm

   "As my work as a Public Prosecutor,"says Simon. Winston claims that Simon just worked in an office.

   Is there any way of searching for Simon's credentials/experiences? He does use his experience as a credential for his Law and Order position so it should be checked.
   • Anne 2.1

     27 November 2019 at 3:38 pm

     Some people are good at sitting exams but flunk the practical application of what they learn. I think Soimon is one of those.
   • Bg 2.2

     28 November 2019 at 7:55 am

     I think Winston should keep his mouth shut on that front. He still likens himself to being a lawyer, yet the last time he practised law was over 40 years ago, and it was hardly a glistening career.
   • Dukeofurl 2.3

     28 November 2019 at 11:59 am

     Essentially Bridges worked in the Crown solicitors office in Tauranga and did try various cases as he claims

     Interesting story on the newly appointed Crown Solicitor , a young ( ish) maori woman who put herself through law school. Gives you an idea of what the 'office' prosecutors do
3. tc 3

   27 November 2019 at 6:55 pm

   Another 'policy' designed for a dog whistling campaign. Drop the policies this year then go full into sound bites mode.

   Sound bites win, pay attention labour and get your own. The msm will simply be an echo chamber.
4. Ad 4

   27 November 2019 at 9:02 pm

   I would be interested to see National actually do a policy about decreasing gangs and meth dealers in this country, together.

   At the moment gangs are growing massively in regional New Zealand.

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12273794

   and meth use continues to grow hugely as well.

   https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/112352168/meth-nzs-top-drug–its-in-the-water

   We're at around 4% headline unemployed and we need all of us who can wield a spade to get in there and build the infrastructure we need. We drug test for every construction worker already.

   I'd like to see small-town community development policies that get young people something to do that really tires them out in a week and earns them better money than drug dealing.

   This current government have had nearly a term to put those 1400 extra Police to good use. I don't have to like National but they are discussing policy areas that this government are pretty weak at.
5. peterlepaysan 5

   27 November 2019 at 10:05 pm

   SB is the best thing going for this government. His idiocy is absolutely delightful.

   I hope he keeps on trying to be "different" (isn't that what opposition parties supposed t o do?).

   Sure no 0ne likes drugs (I doubt that . Which drugs are the causing the most harm?

   Confession, I drink alcohol;
6. Westiechick 6

   27 November 2019 at 11:15 pm

   I don't think Simon believes anything he says. None of it. What he believes is the paid-for advice he gets that tells him to say it. Regulations bonfire, soft on crime, PC nonsense, smash the gangs, etc.

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