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  1. Zed 1

    Well that pretty much blows Tim clean out of the water. Everything, I mean everything he said was untrue or deceitful. And it makes the Herald look like sleazy lying little grubs.

    I can understand Farrar and tyhe likes doing political campaigning on the issue. But the Herald and Tim? They owe us apologies.

  2. Aj 2

    The lead article in today’s SDT outlines councillers concerns over his actions and the editorial tells him to pull his wolly head in

  3. burt 3

    So…

    The ad is legal because it states his name and residential address along with his opinion. No restriction on free speech under the electoral finance act….

    all_your_base

    Is it because you are anonymous that you offer no opinion, only a .jpg authorised by somebody else?

  4. dad4justice 4

    Nice one burt . The lefty’s just keep digging a bigger hole for that Liarbour coffin . When lefty’s start turning on each other, as in this case, some would argue that a mutiny has occurred or a division in the socialist ranks .Without solidarity and direction I can rightfully predict that the party is rapidly heading down the political plug hole and all I can say to that is ; good riddance to bad karma.

    For anybody to say they are “pro labour ” is beyond belief, because it is a fact that these people are pro corruption .

    Labour are criminals and many of them should be in prison .

  5. East Wellington Superhero 5

    A Labour supporter supporting less spending on education!?!
    Quick, take him out to be slowly drowned.

  6. Robinsod 6

    Good to see someone taking that fool Shadbolt to task for his ridiculous hysterics. Good to see you righties falling for his appalling spin – you lot really are a bunch of suckers.

  7. insider 7

    This shows just how partisan the New Zealand news media is – the fact that the truth about Shadbolt’s bullshit was not investigated by ANY of the newsmedia shows just what a joke they are.

    Shadbolt’s the class clown – we should expect this sort of crap from him. The newsmedia should have done some investigation into this rather than swallow Tim’s rhetoric hook, line and sinker.

  8. IrishBill 8

    I think, Insider, that you’ll find the media is not partisan but that it is inept and lazy and that there are structural reasons for that (such as the fact most newsrooms in NZ are driven by profits and the fact that journos are paid very little – the average “communications advisor” gets roughly twice as much as a similarly skilled and experienced journo: why would anyone competent stick around?). Witness the lack of news at the moment (and every silly season) – partly it’s because things are a little quiet but also it’s because the nation’s spindoctors are on holiday.

  9. j 9

    I’ve been waiting for someone to check out what the hell Shadbolt was saying. It’s incredible that a concerned citizen has to do the research, although a fantastic use of free speech.

    Newspapers and TV , WHY AREN’T YOU FACT CHECKING!!!!!!!!!!! ??????

  10. TomS 10

    And meanwhile, Russell Brown exposes the lies of Andy Moore…

    http://www.publicaddress.net/system/topic,906.sm?p=39172#post39172

    Typically, none of the Herald’s “journalists” bothered to do a simple DNS look up.

  11. Robinsod 11

    Ah yes good ol’ Whale – the truth is that info about who’s behind DVL has been kicking around since the first of Jan ( http://kiwiblogblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/contriving-martyrdom/#comment-4156 ) yet eight days later the Herald is still misattributing the site’s ownership. What a fuckin joke.

  12. TomS 12

    And since the Herald’s journalists won’t do their job, try this on for size:

    From:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501154&objectid=10431152&pnum=0

    “Andy Moore
    Danna, from what you have said, your mother abused you – this is obviously not ok, – a smack applied to a child’s hand or bottom by a loving parent however, is a different thing – and acceptable – http://www.politik.co.nz has march information plus more.”

    Do a DNS lookup on http://www.politiks.co.nz – an extremist Christian anti-section 59 website – and lo, its registered in Christchurch (home of Andrew Moore, Christian libertarian)

    registrant_contact_name: mybook
    registrant_contact_address1: P.O. Box 8979
    registrant_contact_city: christchurch
    registrant_contact_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND)
    registrant_contact_phone: 64 3 3574599
    registrant_contact_email: *****@gmail.com
    %
    admin_contact_name: mybook
    admin_contact_address1: P.O. Box 8979
    admin_contact_city: christchurch
    admin_contact_country: NZ (NEW ZEALAND)
    admin_contact_phone: 64 21 1140751
    admin_contact_email: *****@gmail.com
    %

    Ring the mobile number and lo, one is answered by the voice mail of… Andrew Moore.

  13. Phillip R 13

    Hi Guys,

    Sorry to stray off topic, but can you please go on record and tell us if anyone from ‘The standard’ are getting paid or otherwise remunerated to blog? It would be very helpful as there is a lot of speculation right now.

    Cheers

  14. Jum 14

    fairfax owned our free speech a long time ago. Murdoch influenced an Aussie election and his type are out to do the same in NZ. A freely thought out vote – what a joke, when we have to rely on far right conservative Nationalowned newspapers and now the Listener to give us objective information for election 2008

  15. Daveo 15

    Sorry to stray off topic, but can you please go on record and tell us if anyone from ‘The standard’ are getting paid or otherwise remunerated to blog?

    Phillp R, as I recall it’s been made quite clear by the site owners that no one here is being paid to blog. The fact blogging duties are shared out among half a dozen or so different people would tend to confirm that.

    There’s only one paid blogger in NZ that I know of – his name’s David Farrar and he’s employed at National Party HQ.

  16. Santi 16

    “And meanwhile, Russell Brown exposes the lies of Andy Moore.”

    Who is Russell Brown but a well known Labour operative? His opinion is as important as Tane’s, meaning close to nil.

  17. Santi, that’s crap and you either know it or are simply too young to have any meaningful knowledge about politics or Hard News. Russell’s clear about his politics but unlike Farrar he is actually a journalist who isn’t dependent upon any political party for his career. You might not agree with him, but he’s no apparachik.

  18. BeShakey 18

    Lucky for Russell that its just the lefties that attack the messenger rather than try to debate the issues (just go to Kiwiblog if you don’t believe me, they said it so it must be true).

  19. burt 19

    So have any of the blog authors commented on this advert or is the EFB holding them back?

  20. dad4justice 20

    Russell Brown is a sell my soul to the highest bidder socialist coward.
    I have no doubts that many bloggers on this site are well paid .
    Andy Moore is a personal friend of mine and if want a fight please give me a call, as I am only too happy to accommodate any concerns or frustration’s you might have .You all know my details as my blog is often overwhelmed with your cowardly venomous bile. You jellyfish creeps should get a real job .

    One last word to the pathetic disgrace to manhood Russell Brown – owner of the Paris Hilton blog theatre . Are you still sacred and frightened of me ?

  21. Phil 21

    Daveo,

    DPF is not on the Nat payroll to blog… he’s a blogger who happens to also have a job. Much the same, I suspect, a great deal of the members of thestandard.org.

  22. Matthew Pilott 22

    DPF is not on the Nat payroll to blog. he’s a blogger who happens to also have a job.” A job with the National Party of New Zealand. Just thought I’d mention that bit.

  23. j 23

    D4J ,

    Everyone is frightened of you and for you. You possess a hatred that seems to know no bounds. Why don’t you use your short time on this planet to help people understand you and not constantly seek to intimidate people.By the way never assume you are the only person who has heavy shit to deal with. Do what that Jesus guy suggested for once.

  24. j 24

    “he’s a blogger who happens to also have a job”.

    That allows him up to 10 significant posts a day. It’s a good job for some eh.

  25. Matthew Pilott 25

    Do what that Jesus guy suggested for once.

    That made me snort with laughter, somewhat to the surprise of my workmates. 🙂

  26. Snelly Boy 26

    What a bummer that the Nats have come out and disowned the rabid, motley bunch of anti-EFA melcontents. That’s the smartest piece of politics from any side of the past few years.

    I’d hoped that they would have been all vocal togther for once the public is made aware of the connected dots of D4J, Whale Oil, Andy Moore and the like and the nature of their vitriolic rantings it will kill any supposed groundswell of support for the right.

    The public at large has no idea of how fucked up this rent a mob are. If they are considered to be the voice of the right then ta ta come election time.

    No wonder National are distancing themselves for the likes of D4J and Whale Oil can only lose the election for them, not help win it. They are major liabilities despite what their egos tell them.

    It will be a right laugh however, if any financial, administrative or strategic lkink is outed between National and any “third party” such as the Hortons. Having now taken the holier than thou position it will kill them once any duplicity is discovered. There is no going back – the rod for the Nat backbone of jelly has just been created.

  27. Phil 27

    j,

    I’ve heard DPF mention that he sets up a lot of posts to time-release, so they don’t all pile on to the site at once.

    Matthew,
    I have a job with a government department. Therefore, anything I might choose to blog MUST be government department spin, right? err…

    (Captcha; “Trotter Money”… hehehe)

  28. Matthew Pilott 28

    Phil,

    There is no hyperlink from your name to a blog, I’ll assume that you don’t have one, or that it’s not related to politics and you therefore choose to keep it seperate. So, there’s a difference between someone who chooses to comment in their idle (or not-so idle 🙂 ) time at work, and someone who is in the employ of the National party and clearly devotes a great deal of their time to writing a staunchly pro-National blog.

    Your Government Department may not be aware of your blogging, do you think you can say the same for National and Kiwiblog? I think not; it’s disingenuous to suggest a parallel between your commenting, and DPF’s blogging and the commenting he does upon his blog throughout the day.

  29. Phil 29

    I’ll accept it was a tenuous link, but I think the point remains relevant.

    Does DPF still have that market research business on the side?
    Do you think his other clients know about Kiwiblog?
    Do you think DPF is, therefore, writing “staunchly pro-client” blogs?

    Alternatively, what of those bloggers who also work for the Greens or the Labour Party? Surely there must be a few, and are we to tarr them all with the same biased brush?

  30. Kimble 30

    “That allows him up to 10 significant posts a day. It’s a good job for some eh.”

    Well, he owns the business, he does a lot of his writing early in the morning and times it for release throughout the day. Not only that, he has been blogging for a long time, and comes from newsgroups before that. Its called experience.

  31. Matthew Pilott 31

    Does DPF still have that market research business on the side?
    Do you think his other clients know about Kiwiblog?
    Do you think DPF is, therefore, writing “staunchly pro-client” blogs?

    Given that his blog posts aren’t necssarily related to his Curia clients, I couldn’t say. If he, for example, did volunteer work for the Red Cross I wouldn’t be trying to string a link between them, as there woundn’t be one.

    I’m not saying he is a paid blogger per se, (I disagree with that comment for lack of evidence) but that there is a strong link between National party and Farrar, and the National party and the content of his blog; this much is clear.

    I can’t think of any other such prolific blogger who is strongly aligned with a political party, but then I haven’t specifically gone out looking or taken an interest. If there are those out there, I would expect them to be strongly representative of the party of which they are a member – you wouldn’t write a political blog that was ideologically opposed to a party you had voluntarily joined!

    Going back to your original comment – it’s up to the readers to infer (if they choose to take an interest) to what extent Farrar’s blog is aligned with the National party. I can only say it’s natural to assume there is a strong link given the content, Farrar’s background and current employment.

  32. Daveo 32

    MP- it’s also worth noting the fact that Farrar’s spin is almost always exactly the same as the party’s. As someone who’s worked inside the party for more than a decade Farrar understands that the key in this game isn’t good analysis, it’s being able to stay on message with the party and repeat the same partisan lines relentlessly – and he does that very well. That’s why I don’t take Farrar seriously. His employment is just the kicker.

  33. j 33

    “he does a lot of his writing early in the morning and times it for release throughout the day”

    wow, you seem to know a lot about it. How many DPF’S are there? I’m sure he posts and writes during the day.

    Funnily enough I’m starting to think he fattens up his threads with
    various versions of himself. There’s angry conservative businessman, nice “anti socialist” mum, and “i use to vote labour but not anymore” guy . DPF, what a writer.

  34. Kimble 34

    “there is a strong link between National party and Farrar, and the National party and the content of his blog; this much is clear”

    Mmmm lets see. In the past DPF has openly disagreed with National policy. Not just MP misbehaviour, not just statements in the house. POLICY.

    Has The Standard?

    In the past DPF has complimented the Labour party on its actions and policy.

    Will The Standard ever compliment National for anything? The evidence so far doesnt seem to indicate so.

    You KNOW who DPF is, you know his background. We dont know anything about the people behind The Standard. And a declaration of independence from someone that remains anonymous doesnt mean too much.

  35. Matthew Pilott 35

    Daveo – I know what you mean but here everything gets taken very literally so I meant that as it’s not his specific contracted job to write kiwiblog, as far as I understand it. Although in truth I don’t know what he does for the Party over and above what is mentioned on his blog. I don’t need to 🙂

    I agree with your latest though, that’s what I meant by ‘there is a strong link between … the National party and the content of his blog‘.

  36. Matthew Pilott 36

    Mmmm lets see. In the past DPF has openly disagreed with National policy. Not just MP misbehaviour, not just statements in the house. POLICY.

    This I gotta see! Got a link?

  37. j 37

    yeh, Kimble , DPF occasionally has a go when National isn’t as right wing as he’d like. It’s hardly the spotlight he torches Labour with.

    and obviously Kimble you write to the herald complaining about their anonymous editorials.

    Most right wing commentators openly use their ‘freemarket” beliefblogs in coordination with their commerce so using their name actually is of benefit to them. It is difficult to question business practise in this blog country without being presented as a anti-capitalist socialist/communist/ fascist. It’s intimidating and detracts from the message. The abuse is too much. Many of us have very important ties to the infrastructure of business and are very strategic with them.

    This channel doesn’t actually require names, it requires rational progresive ideas and debate. That’s why it’s revolutionary.

  38. Draco TB 38

    “Will The Standard ever compliment National for anything? The evidence so far doesnt seem to indicate so.”

    Well, if the National Party actually ever does anything commendable I’ll certainly commend them for it. I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for them to do so though.

  39. Santi 39

    “We dont know anything about the people behind The Standard.”

    Come up valiant and corageous people from the left. Print your names and addresses ala DPF before you continue berating himm.

    At least, he has the balls to do it. Will you?

  40. j 40

    Come up valiant and corageous santi. Print your name and address ala DPF before you continue berating himm.

    santi, DPF may very well be using anonymous posts????

  41. Matthew Pilott 41

    At least, he has the balls to do it. Will you?

    Pretty much says it all. Santi, it’s not some juvenile pissing-contest.

    I’m using my name, you’re not.

    By your logic, you have no balls.

    Care to take a mature position in this discussion?

  42. Ruth 42

    I’m just pleased National has distanced itself from these mouth-foamers. Really they are the party’s achilles heel. I hate to think what embarrassing thing these people are going to do next.

    Probably most here hope they will continue in the same vein 😉

  43. Jum 43

    Ruth

    Loved your barbecue story. It made me laugh.

    It’s a shame you’re National but heh, you can’t be perfect.

  44. Jum 44

    Snelly

    The ‘public at large’ is listening right now and will be happy to circulate any new information about D4J, Whaleoil and the like.

    Matthew Pilott

    From some of the users’ abusive attitudes and given that some of them are in a position to influence any one of our lives I would strongly dissuade anyone from giving their full name.

    But what really amazes me is that these are the very people who are screaming out that free speech will disappear and yet they’re trying to take away mine and anyone else’s voice that disagrees with them.

    WHAT HYPOCRITES

  45. Santi 45

    “.. yet they’re trying to take away mine and anyone else’s voice that disagrees with them.”

    Don’t play victim and make false statements, Jum. Nobody is curtailing your freedom of speech. Quite the contrary.

  46. Ruth 46

    Thx Jum!

    Really it doesn’t make much difference to me who wins this year. Politics doesn’t affect my everyday life, but I enjoy being involved in it – you meet interesting people :-).

    Nothing much is going to change if the Nats win – I just think it’s time for someone else to buy the beer – same in the US.

  47. burt 47

    Santi

    Don’t play victim and make false statements, Jum. Nobody is curtailing your freedom of speech. Quite the contrary.

    So why have the anonymous bloggers of the standard stopped blogging about NZ politics, surely not because they would need to provide their full names and residential addresses if they want to express their political opinions…. must be some other reason… either that or the rancid EFB has completely shut them down.

    I guess we will know once they resume their anti John Key and anti National party banter. I’m waiting….
    —————————————————————–

    Hey standard anon blog authors – Don’t vote Labour… what have you got to say about that?

  48. Daveo 48

    From some of the users’ abusive attitudes and given that some of them are in a position to influence any one of our lives I would strongly dissuade anyone from giving their full name.

    Precisely. Apart from the obvious fact that people might have very valid reasons why they feel freer to comment if they don’t have to use their real name, there are people on the right who are so damn creepy and abusive you’d have to fear for your safety if they had your full name and address.

    So why have the anonymous bloggers of the standard stopped blogging about NZ politics

    Possibly because most of then are still on holiday? Just a hunch…

  49. Robinsod 49

    Burt you drunken old prick. I see you’re still not taking your ritalin and you’re still obsessed with bolding random statements. Now, while you’re mouthing Farrar’s lamentably ignorant dog-whistle talking points about anonymity you may wish to consider this: you post anonymously. If you want to bitch and whine about others failing to use their real names then you might want to lead by example. Or alternatively I could find out who you are (I’m getting pretty good at this) and let folk know. Whaddya say Burt? I was hoping you’d’ve asked santa for a bit of self-reflexivity this xmas but it seem we’re gonna have to face another year of your yapping.

  50. Robinsod 50

    I’ve heard DPF mention that he sets up a lot of posts to time-release, so they don’t all pile on to the site at once.

    Yeah I saw DPF claiming that as well so I had a look and as far as I can tell there is no facility in wordpress (or plug-in for it) that allows this to be done. I personally doubt that the Nats would use Farrar for polling because he’s simply too stupid to do it properly. There is no way any major party would entrust the gathering of its raw data to him. In my honest opinion he is getting paid to blog via his “Curia contract”. I mean have you seen the curia website? It’s barely a place holder and I’ve not seen him advertise anywhere – that’s because he doesn’t need to. It’s also why he’s responded so badly to the standard and blogblog – his blogging is his bread and butter, it pays his mortgage. The more he’s shown up the more likely the party is to drop him. Here’s to a bloody and vicious 2008…

  51. Santi 51

    “Or I could find out who you are (I’m getting pretty good at this)..”

    Really Robinson? I didn’t know that to your eloquence and fine writing abilities, you also add the hound-dog touch.
    You’d have done well in Germany of the 30’s.

    Ah, another talented left-winger and socialist!

  52. dad4justice 52

    Hey robinsod – you are a abusive wee #### aren’t you . Wonder if your so lippy man to man ? I would love to find out one day ,and j you are that pathetic I know why I call this site the sub standard sewer .

    Hey robinsod and you twisted lefty nutbars – Go #### yourselves – you scum of the earth . Russell Brown like you foaming dogs are pure communist filth . You’re selfish gravy train of government funds makes you deluded righteous creeps and in reality you are just up yourself pricks who are going down this time .

  53. Robinsod 53

    Ah, another talented left-winger and socialist!

    Yep.

  54. burt 54

    Robinsod

    Yes I post anonymously and I post about political issues. It was legal last year – is it legal this year ? What changed Robinsod? Oh that’s right some self serving pricks passed some laws that shut down free speech…..

    Or alternatively I could find out who you are (I’m getting pretty good at this) and let folk know..

    Waaaa hooo – an anonymous blogger threatening to out another anonymous blogger… Such is life under the EFB I guess, unable to debate the issues the highly pissed off anonymous bloggers start to turn on each other and shooting the messenger is all that remains when the message is off limits….

    How about we meet for a beer one night and lets see if you still have the balls to call me a drunken old prick ?

  55. Robinsod 55

    Are you threatening me Burt? I mean, I don’t mind if you are but at least have the guts to say it outright rather than hiding behind the old “meet for a beer” line you coward.

    Oh and Burt? Of course it’s legal to write about politics on a blog. Only a fool would think otherwise…

  56. burt 56

    I’m not threatening you at all Robinsod – are you paranoid? It’s simple – if you are obsessing about who I really are then it would be much easier if we meet face to face. If you out me it only proves that what you think is OK for you is not OK for me – which is to be expected from a do as I say not as I do Labour supporter.

    If it’s legal to write about politics on a multiple anonymous author blog then why have the authors here at the standard stopped doing it since the EFB passed.

    Whaleoil (I know you don’t take anything he says seriously – but he can’t be wrong 100% of the time) seems to think that multiple anonymous author blogs are captured by the EFB – If he correct then this certainly explains why the standard have suddenly stopped posting about NZ political issues.

    “Only a fool would think otherwise.” – Time will tell Robinsod – if the authors here at the standard get back to their previous form somebody might just want to take it as a test case. Very embarrassing for the standard having defended the EFB if it’s shut them down.

  57. Robinsod 57

    OK Burt – use the old trick of making a veiled threat and then backing out of it if you want but that just shows everyone here what a total coward you are. I’m sure the standard would welcome a test case but let’s face it anything that retarded chimp Whale comes out with is 99% likely to be wrong so I can’t see it happening in the near future.

    As far as outing you goes Burt – I have no intention of doing so (though I’ve been doing ok since I was outed by the aforementioned chimp). Oh and Burt? There’s no way you could do as I do – you lack the basic intelligence to even approach what I do.

  58. burt 58

    Robinsod

    You are priceless.

    use the old trick of making a veiled threat and then backing out of it if you want but that just shows everyone here what a total coward you are.

    That after: “Or alternatively I could find out who you are (I’m getting pretty good at this) and let folk know..” followed by “As far as outing you goes Burt – I have no intention of doing so”.

    Pots and kettles…. Guess you realised what a hypocrite you were posing anonymously threatening to out other anonymous posters.

  59. burt 59

    Robinsod

    Oh and Burt? There’s no way you could do as I do – you lack the basic intelligence to even approach what I do.

    I do agree I’d need to work pretty hard to make as much of a fool of myself as you just did – but I think it was a lack of intelligence that you didn’t notice you were doing exactly what you were incorrectly denigrating me for doing.

    Keep it Robinsod, the short bus will be along shortly to take you to remedial reasoning classes.

  60. Robinsod 60

    You are priceless.

    Why thank you Burt – I had thought yoy were completely obtuse but it seems you have some sense after all.

  61. Santi 61

    Chicken, chicken, cluck, cluck.

    Congratulations burt for unmasking the feeble robinson.

  62. Robinsod 62

    Hey santi and/or Burt – email me at mickyporton[at]hotmail.com we’ll go on a date.

  63. Jum 63

    Romance – ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  64. Santi 64

    Sorry Michael Porton but I don’t do pinko-socialists.

  65. Robinsod 65

    Oh no – you’re breakin my heart wee man.

  66. burt 66

    Robinsod

    There’s no way you could do as I do – you lack the basic intelligence to even approach what I do.

    So what do you do Robinsod?

  67. Robinsod 67

    I’m a practicing psychiatrist Burt, and Doctor Robinsod says “Burt! Quick! Take your Ritilin!”

  68. dad4justice 68

    I always thought the sub standard ward must have a resident psychiatrist .It is very useful to have a Sigmund loop doctor close by . I’ve got one and she is called my shadow . Cool I can handle that and I hope you don’t stock no hinamanu psychotic wind up drugs in this unit over here? Because I just got a month sin bin over at kiwiblog for threating to punch the ####’# lights out .

    Sod that wasn’t bad wit and satire and it is great to see you and burt going for it hammering and tongs . Must go pills to take, another zombie day in Helengrad . Cheers big ears .

  69. Tane 69

    Burt said:

    If it’s legal to write about politics on a multiple anonymous author blog then why have the authors here at the standard stopped doing it since the EFB passed.

    Whaleoil (I know you don’t take anything he says seriously – but he can’t be wrong 100% of the time) seems to think that multiple anonymous author blogs are captured by the EFB – If he correct then this certainly explains why the standard have suddenly stopped posting about NZ political issues.

    “Only a fool would think otherwise.” – Time will tell Robinsod – if the authors here at the standard get back to their previous form somebody might just want to take it as a test case. Very embarrassing for the standard having defended the EFB if it’s shut them down.

    Burt you don’t understand the EFB, and nor does Whale. Blogs are exempt, in fact specifically so.

    And the reason we weren’t posting was because we were on holiday. Some of us still are. Hmmm, when you look back that’s kind of an embarrassing diatribe you’ve got there, eh?

  70. Name 70

    Ummm, did anyone bother to check on who Carl Pascoe is? A member of the Chch Polytech Council, amongst other things…conflict of interest anyone?

    Or does that only apply to anti-EFA supporters?

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