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Open mike 20/09/2013

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  1. Sanctuary 1

    If my managers were any guide yesterday, today will be a public holiday for the top 10% if ETNZ win the America’s Cup.

  2. Sanctuary 2

    Oh and now that the leadership debate has died down, is now the time to ask:

    a) how it came to pass that a parliamentary caucus was so fundamentally out of sync with it’s membership and affiliated unions, and

    b) how to prevent such a deep divide from re-occurring in the future?

    • Colonial Viper 2.1

      I suspect that Cunliffe has put quite a bit of personal thought into these questions over the last 12 months 😈

      My take: a sense of elite entitlement and loss of accountability to ordinary members – indeed sometimes outright disdain of those members. quite similar to the Tory ‘born to rule’ conceit, in fact.

      And now, after 30 years, we’re going to finish taking our party back this November, goddammit.

      • chris73 2.1.1

        My take: a sense of elite entitlement and loss of accountability to ordinary members – indeed sometimes outright disdain of those members. quite similar to the Tory ‘born to rule’ conceit, in fact.

        – We elect them when they do shit like this (both sides of the political spectrum) so why should they change?

        – I mean Clark flagrantly breaking the law and dropping the cop in it and would anyone from Labour suggest she be gotten rid of? (at the time) and add any example you want of Key for the same thing

        – We keep rewarding them so keep acting how they want to and so it goes…

        • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1

          Your use of Helen Clark as an example is petty and small minded. Key has fucked this country over to the tune of billions of dollars to his rich mates and eroded the civil rights of every NZer.

          Bottom line is that MPs in each party need to be held more accountable to their membership. When is National going to do this?

          • LynWiper 2.1.1.1.1

            +100 absolutely agree.

            • Puckish Rogue 2.1.1.1.1.1

              *Cough* Labour sold off billions of dollars of assets, many more then the present National govt. have

              • Pasupial

                PR

                When Prebble was Minister of State-Owned Enterprises in the 1980s, then yes; there was the sale of far too many assets. But I regard those dark Douglas days as being a perversion of Labour into an almost proto-ACT party, rather than the return to its socialist roots that I hope Cunliffe’s 6th Labour government will represent.

                • Puckish Rogue

                  Nope sorry no matter the spin Douglas and Prebble were part of Labour which reinforces the point of ministers acting how they want with virtually nil ramifications

                  Which is a plight on all parties

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Very few disagree with the fact that it was the First ACT Government.

                  • Pasupial

                    PR

                    Douglas & Prebble were indeed members of the 4th Labour government. The leader of the soon to be 6th Labour-led government has stated that he refused in 1987 to be recruited by Treasury due to his opposition to their policies (in TDB interview last night). So the chances of his replicating their folly is hopefully minimal.

                    As for ramifications:

                    “Prebble retained his Auckland Central seat in the 1990 election, which Labour lost, arguably because of public dissatisfaction with the reforms. In the 1993 election, however, Prebble lost his seat to Sandra Lee-Vercoe, deputy leader of the left-wing Alliance. For the next three years, he worked as a consultant.”

                    Then in 1996 he became an MP for the ACT party started by his mate Douglas.

                    • Not A PS Staffer

                      ref Auckland Central

                      1″the 1993 election, however, Prebble lost his seat to Sandra Lee-Vercoe, deputy leader of the left-wing Alliance.”

                      I hope Ardern has woken up to the fact that she reaps what she sows. What she has sown for the past five years has not flowered.

                      She needs to get stuck into Auckland Central, develops a functioning LEC, show respect to members and to voters and get elected in her own right.

                  • framu

                    ” Douglas and Prebble were part of Labour”

                    yes well sleeper agents do tend to look like those they are hiding amongst

                    • finbar

                      I remember back in the eighties when Lange won.We Labour party members were on a high,every thing and anything was possible, like the Kennedy years for the Americans.

                      Some months later i was at a meeting attended by Prebble,Caygill and De Cleene.The meeting was held at the local offices of various unions, and also the office of the local party.The meeting was a fiery one, with the local union orginisers and their sub branch members, along with the local Party members.The barny that ensued was about the direction that the government were taking us At the end of the meeting as the Parliamentarians were leaving were over heard to say Union officials, and they chuckled, as they went down the stairs..

                      It is without question that our elected, and more importantly, our list representatives, are out of touch with the every day rank and file and party members who vote for them, and the recent election has shone a glaring light on that.

                      Power to the Party members, and lets hope it continues.

        • Anne 2.1.1.2

          My take: a sense of elite entitlement and loss of accountability to ordinary members – indeed sometimes outright disdain of those members. quite similar to the Tory ‘born to rule’ conceit, in fact.

          In other words: a total absorption into the neocon mindset of the Beltway bubble (albeit a less harsh version of the Nat model) where members and affiliates cease to be of any importance. What’s the bet more than one ABCer reflected this week about… how much easier and better it would be if there were no members and affilliates in the Labour Party.

          • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.2.1

            where members and affiliates cease to be of any importance.

            Well, they are expected to be “followers” who donate money, deliver flyers, and organise electorate events for the MPs.

      • Not A PS Staffer 2.1.2

        I booked my tickets for Christchurch on the Airline that I as a taxpayer will continue to own.

    • outofbed 2.2

      Yes even when the writing was on the wall they still persisted in voting for the wrong person
      That would have given us
      Goff
      Shearer
      and then RobertsonFFS
      Unbelievable And as for unity the biggest attack lines the right and msm has been the disunity in caucus as evidenced by the vote. Did they not see this coming ? are they so out of touch they actually thought Robertson a stood a chance ? Did they not see the media narratives around such a split vote that would eventuate?
      Someone should tell them that the biggest enemy is actually the Tories not Cunliffe et el.

      • Puckish Rogue 2.2.1

        Winston Churchill said something along the lines of “the opposition isn’t the enemy, the ministers behind are”

        I think thats true then and still is today (on both sides of the house)

      • McFlock 2.2.2

        The membership agreed with most of the caucus who voted for Robertson. Membership were not unanimously behind Cunliffe, by any means.

        So I think the “disconnect” can be overstated.

        And I also think that expecting different votes from different groups is reasonable.

        So my conclusion is that Sanctuary is overstating the case when talking about a “deep divide”. But I note a couple of tories have been having fun stoking the debate, which is nice for them I guess.

    • Ron 2.3

      item b is obvious. Build more democracy into the Party. Give the members more say on who represents them. Not sure why we would want the caucus should have a separate vote for leader they should get the same vote as any other member.
      Also we need to get the party list process right. We have to decide if we should have open or closed list selection and ordering of the party list. I myself are leaning towards a fully open list where the public can have input into the list but would like to hear alternative views

      • outofbed 2.3.1

        The Greens do the list reasonably well
        Delegates at election conference meet candidates and assess them
        They report back to branches who put together list this is aggregated
        And becomes the recommended list
        This new list goes to wider membership who then can rank candidates in a stv type system
        (with a couple of tweaks for gender and geographical balance)
        Problems are that sitting MP ‘s have an advantage because of profile and name recognition
        and better resourced candidates can visit branches to get there name out there more widely and enhance their profile. This has happened to great effect last time around with at least one of the candidates getting a much higher ranking then from the initial delegate list (members should have listened to the delegates 🙂
        All in all it works quite well with a very strong competent united team. As can be witnessed by there strong performance in this last term.
        Labour could learn from this

  3. Colonial Viper 3

    Fukushima just had a 5.8 quake. Swell.

  4. drawing a line in the kif..

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-michael/if-you-still-think-pot-sh_b_3907678.html

    (excerpt..)

    “..If You Still Think Pot Should Be Illegal – You Are an A**hole..” (ed:..or as we would say:..a***hole…eh..?..)

    “..there are a slew of bellowing ignorant statements that you make when you support cannabis prohibition:

    That you don’t care about injustice;

    That you mindlessly repeat propaganda so easily debunked –

    – it belies the shallowness of either your intelligence – or your integrity;

    That you are so averse to admitting that you were wrong about something –

    (regardless of how bigoted – short-sighted – and stupid it makes you look)

    – you don’t even care what your stubbornness is saying about you.

    For one – if you think cannabis should remain a Schedule I drug – one for which there is no accepted medical use –

    – then you are scientifically illiterate. .”

    (cont..)

    (mm-kay..?..)

    phillip ure..

  5. miravox 5

    Really Claire? Just because Pinokeyo says it doesn’t make it true, and I really don’t need you to report his spin on his failures.

    One of the main aims of Mr Key’s trip to Europe is to nudge the EU into trade talks – New Zealand is one of only about five countries yet to start negotiations.

    He raised the issue with British Prime Minister David Cameron yesterday, and told the media afterwards that the UK could be a powerful advocate for New Zealand’s case because it was a key figure in the EU.

    A key figure? The country that hasn’t joined the Eurozone and is in holding a referendum on membership? If he was talking the Merkel or Hollande he would have a point.

    “Europe is the biggest economy in the world, it’s a powerful economy notwithstanding the challenges it’s had. And if New Zealand could advance a trade agreement with Europe it would be quite important,” he said.

    Last year Nact was calling the EU a basketcase and blaming this non-key trading partner problems for our continuing economic hole.

    How about holding him up to his spin instead of hanging on to it? John Hartevelt did a better job of it.

    • Chris 5.1

      An economy can be powerful and a basketcase at the same time. Those two terms don’t contradict each other.I would argue both the EU and US fit this category.

      The article you link to doesn’t blame the non-key trading partner for our economic hole it blames the weakening US and EU economies for the strength of our dollar. That seems reasonable to me – also at the time of that article (October last year) Europe was a basketcase and it still is.

      Finally, while the UK may not be as key as Germany it would still be considered a key member by most given the size of its economy – it is the second largest economy (if going by GDP).

      • aerobubble 5.1.1

        Entropy. After three decades of cheap high density fuel flooding the western economies is it any wonder that society, economy, culture is in such chaos. Rebuilding requires that the right wing state gets off the backs of normal people who want to express and live their lives.

      • miravox 5.1.2

        “An economy can be powerful and a basketcase at the same time”
        Nah, a basketcase is a basketcase. It can be influential, but not powerful because other players can dismantle it if they choose to do so. E.g. the Greek economy is influential in EU economic decsion-making and a basketcase. It would take real spin to turn that situation into stating the Greek economy is powerful.

        Key and English spent quite a lot of time blaming the New Zealand poor performing economy and trade deficits on conditions in Europe while ignoring the booming economies of our nearest trading partners Australia and China. Not much was asked about why the NZ economy didn’t get a boost from Aust and China but was impacted by Europe.

        “Europe was a basketcase and it still is”
        The periphery is in trouble. Core Europe is doing ok – the bit I live in is doing better than NZ in many ways.

        And the UK has not the 2nd biggest economy, by GDP, in Europe since 2008 – austerity for the masses will do that to an economy – and any soft power the UK had was diminished by refusing to join the Euro and it’s referendum decision. It’s not committed and that seriously affects it’s power in the union.

  6. Tracey 6

    The Court of Appeal chose yesterday to uphold last year’s decision by the Employment Court that employers paying the minimum wage had to pay their KiwiSaver contributions on top. This would give some minimum-wage workers an extra $540 a year.

  7. Tracey 7

    Key was invited by Conservative Party leader and British counterpart David Cameron to a gathering of most of his MPs in Chipping Norton, a couple of hours northwest of London.

    Key gave a speech to the MPs and strategists and joined in a “deeply political conversation” with high-ranking Cabinet ministers including Chancellor George Osborne and Home Secretary Theresa May.

    Key also chatted with the controversial Australian political strategist Lynton Crosby, who advises Cameron.

    • Puckish Rogue 7.1

      OMG Key spoke to people!!!!!

    • Yes most interesting Tracey.Just what are they up too/
      In fact its a bit scary ,120 Tory MP’s Crosby Textor smells a bit strong . In wonder if they are planning the next NZ election and how the UK Right would be able to help the NZ

      Lets not forget that we were never told who payed for the ” Cossack adverts back in the 1970’s
      Labour people need to keep a watchful eye on this . There was a good reason why they held this meeting with closed doors.

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 7.2.1

        Fuck. Do you think maybe they were strategising about how to an election? That is concerning.

  8. David H 8

    Trying to watch the Live coverage of the yachting, but no, all I get is about 2 seconds and the stream just freezes. Every other site I use streams perfectly. So I figure TVNZ must have been sitting with fingers crossed that they didn’t get more then 20 people at once wanting to watch. This must be what happens when the govt strips all the cash out of the company, and they have to do it on the cheap\free!

    • tc 8.1

      They used to host some of the content (ad’s) out of Oz and nearly crashed the stn X cable when the ch ch earthquake had their site taking alot of hits….perhaps they still do and the site’s pulling content from outside NZ thus the performance.

      It’s not so much the cash David, it’s the competance and general savvy and will to do things properly but when 7 Sharp and Best Bits is your idea of quality is it any surprise.

    • yeshe 8.2

      I watched TVNZ ‘live’ without interruption but ran Herald blog at the same time .. TVNZ ‘live’ was 12 minutes behind the Herald blog. I checked time time the blog gave Peter Lester’s comment “like being at the dentist” against when it was webcast == 12 minutes !! no idea how or why .. maybe commercials ?? “Live” ? Yeah, nah.

      • yeshe 8.2.1

        LPRENT .. when I try to edit, takes me through to TS homepage in a box ?? very weird .. checked and it did same thing again ?? thx

      • David H 8.2.2

        The one I can’t stream from is TV3. It has to be the AD Blocker, but I can usually find the feed elsewhere, unless it’s Gower making shit up then I don’t bother with it.

  9. Tracey 9

    pr, of note was he was meeting british mps and yet an australian political strategist was there and who he chose to speak with.

  10. Jenny 10

    Extreme Oil and Coal.

    Reading all the available resources it is not hard to come to the conclusion that the age of fossil fuel use is coming to an end.

    Even here in New Zealand we can see this. Solid Energy is bankrupt, Denniston coal is also bust and can only go ahead with skewed legalisms that prevent climate change being taken into account. And large wind farms that could let us finally close down coal fired Huntly Power Station are prevented from starting through through lack of the barest legislation costing the taxpayer nothing. Meanwhile tens of $millions of tax payer subsidies are being shoveled into encouraging risky extreme deep water oil exploration, as conventional supplies run out.

    It all signals one thing, the age of oil and coal is over. And if we keep desperately subsidising these failing technologies our civilisation will be over too.

    Nothing is surer.

    We need leaders of vision to prevent this catastrophe. (or at the very least soften the crash)

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      Oil will still be a dominant and widely available fuel for another 10-20 years; coal for another 50 years after that.

    • jaymam 10.2

      NZ has enough coal for at least 1200 years. Open cast is the way to go, and put the land back nice afterwards. The Coromandels and the Shotover river were extensively mined and are top tourist attractions now.

      And then there’s fracking, which in NZ should allow us to put off nuclear power for many years until it is safe enough. The rest of the world can do with a lot of fracking too!

      Those who don’t like fracking can stop opposing new hydro dams, especially on the West Coast.

      Whatever happened to that wind farm that a councillor voted to allow on her farm at Waiuku, right where the noise would keep Waiuku awake?

  11. Sable 11

    In spite of the ranting by right wing weirdo’s about wanting Abbott as NZ’s PM its it’s taken all of five minutes in office for him to show his true colours:

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/18999353/pm-seeks-legal-advice-on-act-marriage-equality-bill/

  12. joe90 12

    Barrister Julian Burnside writes about Australia’s refugee policy.

    So here we are: Australia in 2013. We have forgotten our origins and our good fortune, we are blind to our own selfishness. In place of memory we cling to a national myth of a generous, welcoming country, a land of new arrivals where everyone gets a fair go; a myth in which vanity fills the emptiness where the truth was forgotten.

    http://theconversation.com/julian-burnside-alienation-to-alien-nation-18290

    • tc 12.1

      ‘..national myth of a generous, welcoming country..’ It’s on record Oz favoured europeans re-settling there after WW2.

      The Lib’s have tapped past the thin veneer of ‘ a fair go’ into an Oz that most who live there discover very quickly. Wander out of the CBD’s into suburbia or better still rural Oz and it’s rather old fashioned shall we say.

      Garrett should reform the Oils now he’s left parliament, their material has never been so relevant.

      • joe90 12.1.1

        Indeed, visiting Hay NSW last year was like stepping back into the seventies, late night Friday shopping and all.

        • Murray Olsen 12.1.1.1

          Brisbane often reminds me of Auckland in the 80s. Some of the places in rural Queensland are just scary. The xenophobia and bigotry has a more overwhelming presence than sulphur in Rotorua. Newman in Queensland and Abbott federally will take it back even further. If they get their way, it’ll become a land that WhaleSpew would be proud to call home.

  13. Clement Pinto 13

    A good interview : Cunliffe indicates his broad policy directions.

    He joined the Daily Blog Editors Selwyn Manning and Martyn Bradbury to discuss what challenges New Zealand faces and what bis solutions are to those challenges.

    • Pasupial 13.1

      A good interview, but marred by technical difficulties. Hopefully they work the bugs out before next time. Definitely worth the effort though.

      • Clement Pinto 13.1.1

        A pity that Cunliffe made a perceived big booboo at his first great opportunity to impress the public with ‘caucus’ vs ‘Corus’. A bit of lost ground to make up there with the ‘general’ voters. Our stupid media concentrates on such simple errors as their information highlight unfortunately. They do a great injustice to real democracy and politics. [Less than 200 people have viewed Cunliffe’s daily blog interview so far, while hundreds of thousands watched his booboo highlighted by our stupid Main Stream Media!]

        • North 13.1.1.1

          CP @ 13.1.1 – you really, really identify that slip of the tongue as something that’ll stick with Cunliffe right through to the last of the leaders’ debates in 2014 ? Unlike the now cemented tangible sense amongst how many tens maybe hundreds of thousands that ShonKey Python is, well, shonky ?

          You think that we’re going to see an opinion poll in the lead-up to the election in which the greatest number of respondents are moved to mention as the tipping point “caucus/chorus” in September 2013 ? Whatever the unfortunately turned out weirdo Potty Gower might choose to say ?

  14. Pasupial 14

    There was a well attended meeting; about the dangers of deep-water oil drilling, in Dunedin last night with Gareth Hughes as key speaker (plus a couple of Otago university lecturers with Green mayoral candidate; Aaron Hawkins, moderating). Simon Hartly; who wrote this acticle for today’s ODT business section, obviously didn’t attend:

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/273950/deepwater-drilling-likely-grow

    “…John Warren, the senior business development manager of Halliburton, covering Australasia.”

    “On the question of the Deepwater Horizon seabed blowout and subsequent rig fire in the Gulf of Mexico, which became the United States’ worst environmental disaster, Mr Warren said it was a combination of human and technological error.
    There was now more technology, reliability and competence in the workforce. ”

    But there isn’t any real incentive for a Deepwater Horizon-style exploratory-phase disaster in NZ to actually be avoided (beyond the loss of their ship), or cleaned-up by the company responsible if it does. There is presently $10 million maximum liability under NZ law, plus $30 million mandatory insurance for the oil drilling. Deepwater Horizon cleanup costs are US$40 billion so far.

    That’s a 0.02 cent on the dollar cost; to cut their losses and pay the fine, rather than stay and try to clean-up the problem (if you consider that the insurance premiums will already have been paid).

    • Colonial Viper 14.1

      the “human error” was corporate middle managers fucking around with shortcuts in order to make more money and keep to budgets they had promised the board of directors.

      • Colonial Viper 14.1.1

        And lets add in the captured and under-resourced regulators in the USA, where they had one inspector for every 40-50 rigs, and anyways the regulators would often be out partying with oil company staff, accepting big gifts from the corporates, accepting favours in the forms of prostitutes etc.

        Was this also “human error”?

  15. Blue 15

    NZ could put rostered inspectors on every rig permanently as a condition of a drilling / extraction permit. All paid for by the company.

  16. captain hook 16

    when is parliament going to be available to us proles with only an uhf aerial.
    at the moment it seems to be restricted to disc users and sky subscribers.
    has parliament become pay per view too?

    • Darren 16.1

      I get Parliament TV with a UHF aerial. Channel 22.

    • karol 16.2

      Anyone with a UHF aerial plus a freeview box or TV with inbuilt freeview should be able to et Parliament.

      Come December when Analog switches off, that’s what will be needed to get any free-to-air TV.

      What’s a disc user? I don’t think I’m one of those, and neither do I subscribe to Sky.

      I have a UHF aerial plus Freeview set top box for one old analog TV, & a myfreeview recorder for the small high def LCD TV.

  17. FYI
    __________________________________________________________________________

    “RE: Greens call for Smith’s sacking

    “Nick Smith should resign. He is not the Minister for Conservation; he is the minister for large-scale dams; he is the minister for water pollution; he’s the minister for wiping out New Zealand’s native fish. He has no right to occupy the Minister of Conservation portfolio.”

    (Russel Norman, 19 September 2013).

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/222179/doc-defends-minister-over-dam-answers
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    “Nick Smith is NOT the Minister of Housing.

    He is the Minister of tents, caravans, sheds and ‘lean-tos’ and Minister for Property Developers’,” says Sue Henry, Spokesperson for the Housing Lobby.

    “He should resign forthwith from the Housing portfolio.”

    “It is a disgrace when State Housing tenants are forced out of their homes and along with others referred to sub-standard caravan parks and temporary ‘doss houses’ by Housing New Zealand, when thousands of State houses sit empty, and some have done so for well over over one year.”

    “Vulnerable driven to caravan parks” (TV3 News !9 September 2013)

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Vulnerable-driven-to-caravan-parks/tabid/423/articleID/313937/Default.aspx

    “It’s misleading and deceptive for Nick Smith to promote affordable housing when he’s delivering unaffordable housing, where $700,000 houses are being sold off the plans (eg: Apirana Ave, Glen Innes).”

    “This of course, is after the forced removal of State housing tenants and their affordable State houses, which have been, and are being trucked out of the area.”

    “This is being replicated in other parts of New Zealand, against the wishes of both the tenants and their communities in which some lived for decades.”

    “This situation is becoming critical, and is totally unacceptable.”

    “A moratorium to cease forthwith State house removals must be implemented immediately. ”

    Sue Henry
    Spokesperson
    Housing Lobby
    _________________________________________________________________________

    • Treetop 17.1

      No one in their eighties or at any age should be expected to trot 50 metres to use a toilet several times a night. This would cause me sleep deprivation as I would be awake just after one trip in the freezing cold.

      I knew that HNZ was not performing. I have underestimated how despicable the government are regarding housing. I’d like to see how long they would last in a caravan park.

  18. joe90 18

    I’m feeling so much better now.
    /

    In an interview on “Squawk Box,” the founder of hedge fund Duquesne Capital said that the Federal Reserve’s policy of quantitative easing was inflating stocks and other assets held by wealthy investors like himself. But the price of making the rich richer will be paid by future generations.

    “This is fantastic for every rich person,” he said Thursday, a day after the Fed’s stunning decision to delay tightening its monetary policy. “This is the biggest redistribution of wealth from the middle class and the poor to the rich ever.”

    “Who owns assets—the rich, the billionaires. You think Warren Buffett hates this stuff? You think I hate this stuff? I had a very good day yesterday.”

    Druckenmiller, whose net worth is estimated at more than $2 billion, said that the implication of the Fed’s policy is that the rich will spend their wealth and create jobs—essentially betting on “trickle-down economics.”

    “I mean, maybe this trickle-down monetary policy that gives money to billionaires and hopefully we go spend it is going to work,” he said. “But it hasn’t worked for five years.”

    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/hedge-fund-billionaire-feds-move-fantastic-rich-4B11199524

  19. johnm 19

    The U$ Home of NeoLiberalism and the inspiration of our RWNJ politicians:

    “These individuals represent a social type. The saying of Balzac, “Behind every great fortune there is a great crime,” was never truer than for the American ruling class. The list is full of people* who made their money not through any contribution to the productive process, but through various forms of financial swindling, speculation and the impoverishment of working people*

    “Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole,” wrote Marx. And so it is. The Census Bureau report, “Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2012,” showed that the income of a typical household in the US has fallen to the lowest level since 1989, while poverty remains at the highest levels in decades.”

    * John Key?

    “The Looting of America”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36285.htm

    The NL ideology has destroyed working and social America

  20. amirite 20

    In this country, if you’re rich you can get away with anything and you can keep on living the high life:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=11126767

  21. amirite 21

    And this is where the neoliberal societies are heading to:

    Dutch King Willem-Alexander declares the end of the welfare state

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-king-willemalexander-declares-the-end-of-the-welfare-state-8822421.html

    Oh, the irony! The greatest bludger in Holland doesn’t mind other people’s taxes going for his upkeep.

    Off with his head!

    • srylands 21.1

      I would hope that we all want an end to welfare.

      • McFlock 21.1.1

        Yes, you would. Because you have the moral compass of Emperor Palpatine.

      • bad12 21.1.2

        i have got news for you SSLands, think brand spanking new fridges and washing machines courtesy of your mate Paula,

        And guess what, your paying for em…

      • Murray Olsen 21.1.3

        There will always be people who need help from the community. Those who are already filthy rich, and presently get the most help, should not be among them. The economic system that we live under should not contribute to this number, but people will always have accidents, get sick, or have physical deficiencies. I want a system that means these people don’t miss out. I don’t want SSlands’ system, where even a dry spot on footpaths is denied to the needy.

      • karol 21.1.4

        I want an end to “welfare” and a return to “social security” for all.

      • Greywarbler 21.1.5

        amirite
        I like this bit.
        “The king earns an annual salary of around 825,000 euros ($1.1 million), though maintaining the Royal House — castles, parades and all — costs the government more than 100 million euros annually. ”
        And he should be looking for a smaller throne. The one he was on is wide enough for two.

        Austerity and cuts are helping the Dutch Government to shrink the economy so it will fit into a mini-size oil tanker which the pollies will then sail away to spend in a more deserving country leaving the rest of the country to run a participation society, i.e. where they all do their own thing and don’t have to pay any taxes at all as they just look after themselves. I think this is the unspoken end of this utopian, retrograde stumble.

    • johnm 21.2

      Hi amirite
      100% right! 🙂 This Dutch parasite lives in an alternative reality.

  22. Puckish Rogue 22

    So is T. Mallard coming back to NZ any time soon or is he a wee bit scared? Though I’d say its worth the money to keep him away from NZ 🙂

  23. BLiP 23

    WTF!!! Tax payer money has been spent in the Supreme Court to obtain a declaration that resource management law, as currently worded, excludes climate change considerations.

    • Murray Olsen 23.1

      Just one more law for a new government to change. In the meantime, mass opposition to standard extraction practices needs to grow to the level where mining executives are thought of as being lower than pedophiles, and too embarrassed to show their faces in public.

  24. Tim 24

    I’m bloody gobsmacked!!I!!
    There’s a documentary on TV3 at the moment about NZ SIS agents’ life and work and how they see themselves in the global economy.
    I never thought our security intelligence agencies would – indeed COULD be that open.

    I think its called ‘Johny English Reborn’ – or something like that.

    It shows how important and competent our intelligence services are in contributing to our safety, and the protection of us all as a sovereign nation.

    I’m still coming to terms with how open and up front our intelligence services are as they strive to protect us as NewZill citizens. There’s even one or two Murray radicals in there showing us that we’ve nothing to fear if we have nothing to hide.

    God …. it’s such a relief to know – given all this GCSB, TICS, TPPA and other crap that’s going on in the background.

    My God – there really are Mightier men than Me! (Geeeez – and I mean I’m pretty butch to start with, but God – I never knew!)

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