I’m sure the NWO can get their hands on these goods at anytime.
It is more about ‘control’.
First you install fear into the lives of humans, then (as a humanitarian ruse) beef up the security, while at the same time you ‘prison’ the world population.
I doubt this is a ‘religious’ thing, even though Islamic extremists are involved, but then I can imagine so are the CIA.
The NWO don’t care about religion, they just use it, to trick people (the innocents and also- the foolish that are involved, with the crime itself)
So are the people whose jobs entail putting all this information together in these pretty tables – are they ‘bureaucrats’ or a front line service?
Is filling out the paperwork a ‘front line service’ or part of bureaucracy.
Given that publishing the tables will create more of this type of work (more trying to comply = more reporting = more bureaucracy) how can Mr Ryall justify National’s ‘fewer bureaucrats’ billboard?
I know, the pedant in me couldn’t resist fixing it, hence the quotes… Of course, Labour is to blame for the poor education that lead to National’s atrocious billboard grammar…
The issue around the 9/11 Conspiracy movement that people face is about consistency in using scientific evidence to back up your claims.
If you are going to denounce climate change skeptics like Ian Wishart and Lord Monckton as misrepresenting the science and using dodgy studies to back up their claims you can’t expect to be taken seriously when you then use the same sort of tactics to support claims around the September the 11th attacks.
Mainstream science is solidly behind the official version of how the three WTC buildings collapsed. You might dredge up some largely discredited studies which you might calim suggests otherwise ,however it does not mean the Science is still undecided on this issue.
Given the Science is solidly behind the mainstream version then you should realise how repugnant and ridiculous the implications of the 9/11 Truthers actually are. A massive conspiracy by elements of the US administration which has been phenomenally successful at first pulling it off, and secong keeping it quiet as well as fooling, or controlling the mainstream scientific community.
If you truly believe that then noone is going to take you seriously if you try and push a science based approach to anything ever again.
Wow! Because Compernicus lived in a time where his writings were subjected to intense scientific peer review and then his ideas were discredited didn’t he?
Oh no wait he didn’t. He lived in a time where the Church decided what made up the world view and his vies forceably supporessed. The scientific method wasn’t yet established and freedom of intellectual thought was not allowed.
Are you implying that we live in a similar time to Compernicus then? If so how can we trust any Science such as what comes through the IPCC?
You got me very confused Gosman. Are you saying that mainstream science can be trusted on 911 but not on global warming? And that the rest of us are being inconsistent?
No, I am stating that if you argue that the mainstream scientific consensus should be used to determine whether or not AGW is actually happening you make yourself a hypocrite and a laughing stock if you then ignore the same mainstream scientific consensus when it comes to something as controversial as the September the 11th attacks.
You haven’t even begun to demonstrate that “Mainstream science is solidly behind the official version of how the three WTC buildings collapsed.”
If you could, you’d have a point.
But if you could, you would have already done so.
Yesterday RedLogix wasted a lot of time trying to discuss the scientific implications of your assumtions and you did nothing but attack him as a kook, a nutjob, a conspiracy theorist etc.
As you’re not willing to have a science-based discussion it’s very hard to see any point engaging with you on any science-related matters at all.
I’m sure you’ll continue to yell and scream all day today about how everyone who doubts anything you say is insane, a conspiracy theorist or whatever the currently fashionable insult is, but once people realise (and they do seem to have realised) that you’re not really up for a discussion anyway, why would anyone bother?
The only thing of any interest to me is why do you do it? You seem to be starting these threads every day, here and elsewhere. Why would someone devote so much time and energy to what you’re doing, which is essentially the equivalent of standing on a street corner shouting “THERE ARE CRAZY PEOPLE EVERYWHERE!!!”
After a while most of us learn to walk past those people. We’ve seen the movie before. We know how it ends.
Obviously he is part of Bush’s intricate world wide web of deceit designed to cover up what really happened during 9/11. They have been mounting a blog campaign using people who aren’t scientists to discredit other people who aren’t scientists. Its all part of a brilliant bottom up strategy that has kept truther’s on the fringe for the last 8 years.
Wait till you find out the rescission is actually Bush’s creation designed to discredit Obama thereby ensuring black presidents all over the world are ousted and replaced by Bush clones created in a secret lab that was UNDER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER DUM DUM DUM
I believe I have provided a number of links and made references to Scientific critiques of the 9/11 Truthers claims as well as the actual NIST reports, ( which is the most comprehensive scientific evaluation of the structural failings of the three WTC buildings to date). If you have chosen not to read these articles then that is your problem.
As for your claim I have started the debate take a look at how the debate developed here. It was Travellerev and RedLogix who broutght this topic up on yesterday’s Openmike, not myself. I in fact did not respond until well after the discussion had been going for quite a number of hours.
If you don’t want people responding to controversial topics like this then perhaps you should ask people not to raise them.
I’m highlighting a huge double standard when it comes to the use of Scientific evidence to support one’s position.
I find it morrally reprehensible that someone like Ms Fitzsimons of the Greens can claim to be promoting the Scientific mainstream view when it comes to AGW, (something I have no problem with BTW in case you join BLiP in trying to tar me with the Global Warming denier brush), but she and others completely jettison this sound and logical psoition when it comes to something as odious as the 9/11 Truther movement.
This is a topic that goes beyond a mere Left versus Right argument. You are either supportive of the Scientific method or you are like the looney radicals of the Anti-AGW and 9/11 Truther movement and cheery pick bad science to support your viewpoint.
I notice you have not disagreed recently with my asertion that the Science behind the claims made by Richard Gage and his ilk are seriously flawed. Does that now mean you can agree with me that supporting the aims of his movement and promoting it, as people like Travellerev do here, (without any prompting from me I might add), is deserving of a response?
This in no way changes his point. You have people on one hand claiming that the accepted scientific opinion is that Global warming is real (which I agree with) so the minority of scientists who claim it isn’t are crazy. Then on the other hand even though the majority of scientific opinion is that 9/11 was carried out by terrorists doesn’t mean that the few scientists who claim it wasn’t are crazy.
To argue one then the other leaves you in a position where you seem to be someone who isn’t really interested in the science but someone who is interested in finding science that meets your needs.
“Then on the other hand even though the majority of scientific opinion is that 9/11 was carried out by terrorists”
I’m not convinced that this is a ‘scientific’ question in the same way that AGW is. Sure, science is involved but it’s not like there is a broadly accepted theory that when buildings collapse it’s because of terrorism and that truthers are denying the theory of terrorism.
We are talking about one data point, unrelated to any controversial theory.
Both sides of the 9/11 debate claim they have the weight of scientific literature behind them.
The Truthers largely rely on the some misrepresentations on the Physics of Structural engineering and how free standing builds collapse plus a couple of incredibly dodgy studies by some Conspiracy Theorists ‘Scientists’ which supposedly show that Active Thermite particles were found in the debris.
The otherside of the debate relies on the very detail official scientific investigation by NIST, amongst others. This is generally accepted as the Mainstream view. On top of that there is the huge number of people out there that pull apart the 9/11 truthers so called Scientific studies.
This is firstly a simple case of where you are either for the Mainstream scientific view or against it. Whether you believe the particular theory that supports this comes after that.
I understand exactly what you are saying. However, it seems to me a bit of an apples/oranges fallacy. Unlike climate science, the 911 situation has only, about, half a dozen questions which need to be answered to reach a definitive conclusion.
There are a plethora of other questions surrounding motive and means which I would also like answered, but the science itself can be solved easily.
That’s a fair argument to make. The way I see it is there are motives for both sides. I however think that the conspiracy option is far harder to swallow. Bush was dumb and ignorant, but it’s a big step to sign off on faking the greatest terrorist attack on US soil. However I have no doubt that there are terrorist organizations out there who would want to make an impact such as this.
Here is a link to a detailed analysis of the Controlled demolition theory. It is apparently written from someone who is opposed to the UK and US foreign policy decisions in the wake of September the 11th. So it just goes to show that you can still be a good left winger and support the official position on this subject.
I especially like this bit about the Journal of 9/11 studies, where many of the studies supporting the Conspiracy Theories are published –
“However, it has been quite obvious from the very beginning, that most of the so-called peer-reviewers are none other than other members of the same organization. In other words, they are peer-reviewing each others’ papers.”
If this was an Anti-AGW organisation people would be all over this.
Face facts – the Science behind the 9/11 Truther movement is seriously flawed not to mention the bizarre implications of what they claim.
In that case, you can have no objection to the “truthers” being made to look like they fools they are at an open, independent investigation before the world’s media?
That would be about as productive as David Bain’s retrial. A bunch of people with preconceived opinions deciding on a topic that was already judged by those who went into it with an open mind.
There already has been an investigation into what happened on September 11th 2001. In fact there are three separate official investigations. Just because the Truthers don’t like the outcome doesn’t mean that they should be humoured.
Also what new evidence is meant to be investigated? That Active Thermite was present in the debris? I have shown that the studies which suggest that are seriously flawed as well as being promoted by people with a particular agenda i.e. not independent Scientists. Perhaps it is that Controlled demolitions are the only way to explain how the three buildings fell? Didn’t the NIST report deal with this?
What new scientific evidence that is credible is going to be investigated BLiP?
Once again BLiP – What new credible scientific evidence is being presented that would justify a new investigation?
Just because Richard Gage and his band of nutjob Conspiracy Theorists jump up and down and quote copious amounts of bad science to support their claims doesn’t mean they deserve a hearing.
There are people out there who think the Moon landing was staged – Do they deserve an investigation as well?
To be perfectly honest, what does it matter these days?
The towers fell down and a whole bunch of war was made because of it. There is no way to take back that day or the years that have passed inbetween or the people killed in the fighting. It is wasted breath on both sides – be a 911 Truther and conspiracy theorist or just accept the official story, at the end of the day it just doesn’t matter at all.
A look at the NIST website is interesting, but their investigation of 911 is hard to compare with the IPCC AGW science. The biggest difference is the much smaller number of scientists named and the fact that almost no-one got to see or study any of the original building wreckage.
One report, even if it is a very thick one, from one group, that has not been subject to open review with all the source data is not the same as a consensus. 911 was a single event, and all the original evidence is now long gone, so it makes it very hard for anyone to prove anything that disagrees with NIST.
It’s a bit like someone wanting to discuss or challenge the claims of pro-global warming scientists, but none the temperature records being available to look at because they were destroyed years ago. No-one would be very satisfied with that.
Two different things however. Climate change is constantly happening allowing for constant collection of data that is available to anyone who wishes to use it. The 9/11 attacks were a single incident. Data was collected and analyzed by experts who came up with the final NIST report. The data they used for that incident is available to those who claim it was a conspiracy. They choose to cherry pick it and supplement their evidence with poor quality video and unsubstantiated eyewitness evidence and ignore any data which is counter to the findings the want. Just like any good conspiracy.
An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.
The study by a Cambridge University, UK, engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.
One of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a “controlled demolition”.
The new data shows this is not needed to explain the way the towers fell.
As much as the truthers like Redlogix want to claim that science is on their side they are wrong.
I am not sure if this is the right way to go about things, but I want to ask a question of someone who has better knowledge of economics than I have: In the business pages of this morning’s Herald, there was a claim from treasury that we need to cut government spending if we are to “close the gap” with Australia. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10610950
I am inclined to think that if it is true that the Australian Government spends a smaller portion of it GDP on welfare, etc, this is in part because Australian wages are not so far removed from what it costs to live. So they do not go so far in using welfare to bridge the gap between the fantasy of wealth and the reality of stagnation. Hence I am inclined to see treasury’s claim as getting things the wrong way round – that in reality Australia is not doing comparatively well because of less government spending, but rather their government needs to spend less because Australia is doing comparatively well. Am I wrong about this?
“I think I am the first leader seeing the Queen, and I am doing the toast for the Queen as well,” Mr Key said on TVNZ’s Breakfast programme this morning.
“I must be teacher’s pet. I think it was something to do with bringing back the knighthoods.”
Titular honours were abolished by the Labour-led government in 1999, but Mr Key reinstated them.
A spokeswoman for Mr Key said he was invited to make the toast at the Friday dinner hosted by the Queen – it is an honour given to the most recently-elected country leader.”
First up, Treasury are a bunch of dry right fossils whose default position on any given subject is ‘reduce government spending’.
Secondly, Australia has an extra level of government and taxation that we don’t; the states and territories. So I suspect they have more ‘government’ than we do. The country is significantly wealthier than NZ, both because of the raw materials boom and the scale factors between the two economies.
Australia collects more PAYE than we do, because more of them are in jobs (on average) than us and those jobs are better paid than us (by 25-30% apparently), so there is more tax money to be distributed.
All in all, I’d say the Treasury quote was the usual bollocks and your estimation of the situation is spot on.
Thanks for that VTR – Treasury would have required six months research and a big budget to come up with that summation (which they wouldn’t of course).
I wonder if we can pare Treasury’s costs down, sort of like politicians are now – they could pay for their own extravagant gear, furnishings etc. I think one of their executive ilk had his (her) desk imported from Italy in the free-market feeding frenzy around 1990.
Your suggestion should really be towards those like Travellerev who continue to post her odious and repugnant Conspiracy Theories on this blog.
[lprent: Provided people follow the rules, I really don’t care anymore than I do for what looks like similar opinions from a different angle from you. It can stay in the OpenMike, not spill into the other topics, not deteriorate into simple flames, and people will avoid or read as they prefer.
Besides, right or wrong, some of the discussion has actually been interesting to me – but probably not in a way that either ‘side’ would find interesting.
Ultimately the decision about ‘odious’ etc lies completely with the moderators, and we’re pretty jealous about it and do not respond well to people explicitly or implicitly telling us what we should do. So I’d suggest not going too far down this path or I might make a determination about what I find odious. People seldom enjoy that. ]
Both would be excellent electorale MPs .
Jacinda Ardern is a highly intelligent young lady ,with a most pleasing personality,.what is more she is the Chairperson of the Youth Branch of Socialist International meaning that her political education is of the highest standard. This, plus she has proved to be a most hard working list MP. making her an excellent choice for the people of Auckland Central. Having meet her on a number of occasions I can truthfully say she has impressd me with not only her intelllegence but her obvious commitment to caring Social Democratic ideals. If Jacinda Ardern is selected then I urge all Auckland Central Voters to get out and vote for an MP who would serve you well.
Bye the way I have been a member of the NZLP for nearly 50 years and before that a member of the Labour Party UK. I have meet many MPs and would be MPs this young lady does impress me..
[lprent: Why is that a big story? Oh because you think so, and what qualifications do you have to be able to understand anything that is in those e-mails? Nothing?
Probably why there hasn’t been much here about this. But I can imagine that the illiterate CCD’s are jerking off to it elsewhere.
Why don’t you do something useful – read RealClimate on the subject. ]
Mentioned in yesterdays open mike thread, of which to add to the mocking of Andrei, here’s a lovely deconstruction of CCD bs on the leaks from greenfyre: Climate change Deniers hoax themselves again.
And yes, when one is vexed and annoyed by morons, it’s rather human to morbidly laugh at their demise, whether it be via death or banhammer.
While I love a good argument and have somewhat fixed views,I have never in my life wished someone dead,even though at times I tell them to FRO and leave me alone.They just have different views thats all.
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Struts are an essential part of a car’s suspension system. They are responsible for supporting the weight of the car and damping the oscillations of the springs. Struts are typically made of steel or aluminum and are filled with hydraulic fluid. How Do Struts Work? Struts work by transferring the ...
Car registration is a mandatory process that all vehicle owners must complete annually. This process involves registering your car with the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and paying an associated fee. The registration process ensures that your vehicle is properly licensed and insured, and helps law enforcement and other authorities ...
Zoom is a video conferencing service that allows you to share your screen, webcam, and audio with other participants. In addition to sharing your own audio, you can also share the audio from your computer with other participants. This can be useful for playing music, sharing presentations with audio, or ...
Building your own computer can be a rewarding and cost-effective way to get a high-performance machine tailored to your specific needs. However, it also requires careful planning and execution, and one of the most important factors to consider is the time it will take. The exact time it takes to ...
Sleep mode is a power-saving state that allows your computer to quickly resume operation without having to boot up from scratch. This can be useful if you need to step away from your computer for a short period of time but don’t want to shut it down completely. There are ...
Introduction Computer-Assisted Translation (CAT) has revolutionized the field of translation by harnessing the power of technology to assist human translators in their work. This innovative approach combines specialized software with human expertise to improve the efficiency, accuracy, and consistency of translations. In this comprehensive article, we will delve into the ...
In today’s digital age, mobile devices have become an indispensable part of our daily lives. Among the vast array of portable computing options available, iPads and tablet computers stand out as two prominent contenders. While both offer similar functionalities, there are subtle yet significant differences between these two devices. This ...
A computer is an electronic device that can be programmed to carry out a set of instructions. The basic components of a computer are the processor, memory, storage, input devices, and output devices. The Processor The processor, also known as the central processing unit (CPU), is the brain of the ...
Voice Memos is a convenient app on your iPhone that allows you to quickly record and store audio snippets. These recordings can be useful for a variety of purposes, such as taking notes, capturing ideas, or recording interviews. While you can listen to your voice memos on your iPhone, you ...
Laptop screens are essential for interacting with our devices and accessing information. However, when lines appear on the screen, it can be frustrating and disrupt productivity. Understanding the underlying causes of these lines is crucial for finding effective solutions. Types of Screen Lines Horizontal lines: Also known as scan ...
Right-clicking is a common and essential computer operation that allows users to access additional options and settings. While most desktop computers have dedicated right-click buttons on their mice, laptops often do not have these buttons due to space limitations. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on how to right-click ...
Powering up and shutting down your ASUS laptop is an essential task for any laptop user. Locating the power button can sometimes be a hassle, especially if you’re new to ASUS laptops. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on where to find the power button on different ASUS laptop ...
Dell laptops are renowned for their reliability, performance, and versatility. Whether you’re a student, a professional, or just someone who needs a reliable computing device, a Dell laptop can meet your needs. However, if you’re new to Dell laptops, you may be wondering how to get started. In this comprehensive ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
Te Pāti Māori is disgusted at the confirmation that hundreds are set to lose their jobs at Oranga Tamariki, and the disestablishment of the Treaty Response Unit. “This act of absolute carelessness and out of touch decision making is committing tamariki to state abuse.” Said Te Pāti Māori Oranga Tamariki ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and Mema Paremata mō Tāmaki-Makaurau, Takutai Tarsh Kemp, will travel to the Gold Coast to strengthen ties with Māori in Australia next week (15-21 April). The visit, in the lead-up to the 9th Australian National Kapa haka Festival, will be an opportunity for both ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
Ambassador Millar, Burgemeester, Vandepitte, Excellencies, military representatives, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen – good morning and welcome to this sacred Anzac Day dawn service. It is an honour to be here on behalf of the Government and people of New Zealand at Buttes New British Cemetery, Polygon Wood – a deeply ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
I was initially resistant to the idea often suggested to me that the Government should deliver an arts strategy. The whole point of the arts and creativity is that people should do whatever the hell they want, unbound by the dictates of politicians in Wellington. Peter Jackson, Kiri Te Kanawa, Eleanor ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anastasia Powell, Professor, Family and Sexual Violence, RMIT University It has been a particularly distressing start to the year. There is little that can ease the current grief of individuals, families and communities who have needlessly lost a loved one to men’s ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gregory Moore, Senior Research Associate, School of Ecosystem and Forest Sciences, The University of Melbourne Lichen, the first described example of symbiosis.AdeJ Artventure/Shutterstock Once known only to those studying biology, the word symbiosis is now widely used. Symbiosis is the intimate ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kim Hemsley, Head, Childhood Dementia Research Group, Flinders Health and Medical Research Institute, College of Medicine and Public Health, Flinders University Olena Ivanova/Shutterstock “Childhood” and “dementia” are two words we wish we didn’t have to use together. But sadly, around 1,400 ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Whiteford, Professor, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University The government’s Economic Inclusion Advisory Committee has just published its second report. It was set up by Treasurer Jim Chalmers and Minister for Social Services Amanda Rishworth in 2022 to provide: ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Election Analyst (Psephologist) at The Conversation; and Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne The Queensland state election will be held in October. A YouGov poll for The Courier Mail, conducted April 9–17 from a sample ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amin Naeni, PhD candidate at Alfred Deakin Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation, Deakin University There’s been much talk in recent months about what a possible second Donald Trump presidency in the United States could mean for Europe, Russia’s war in Ukraine, the ...
A brief round-up of submissions on the controversial proposed law. This is an excerpt from our weekly environmental newsletter Future Proof. Sign up here. Last week, submissions on the controversial Fast-track Approvals Bill closed just hours after the government released a list of stakeholder organisations who were sent letters advising how they could ...
A poem from Robin Peace’s new collection Detritus of Empire: feather / grass / rock. Cereal giving I see a woman’s hands, see her curious hands break a stalk as she walks through the tall prairie, the savannah, the steppe, wherever it was. See her idly bite the grass that ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Hemingway’s Goblet by Dermot Ross (Mary Egan Publishing, $38)A handsomely produced (debossed cover, lovely ...
The Commissioner's decision validates the longstanding efforts of the local community and ensures that Awataha Marae will be managed to serve the needs of the local community, particularly for hosting tangihanga. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tristan Salles, Associate professor, University of Sydney Examples of Australian landscapes.Unsplash Seventy thousand years ago, the sea level was much lower than today. Australia, along with New Guinea and Tasmania, formed a connected landmass known as Sahul. Around this time – ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Felicity Castagna, Lecturer, Creative Writing, Western Sydney University Day Day Market, ParramattaPhoto: Garry Trinh I live on the edge of Parramatta, Australia’s fastest-growing city, on the kind of old-fashioned suburban street that has 1950s fibros constructed in the post-war housing boom, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michael Ryan, Teaching Fellow in Economics, University of Waikato GettyImagesfatido/Getty Images There is an ongoing global debate over whether the high inflation seen in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic can be lowered without a recession. New Zealand is not ...
The ‘Wicked Game’ heartthrob is in his late 60s now. That didn’t stop him putting on a lively, goofy and very sparkly show. Apart from ‘Wicked Game’, which graces a sultry playlist of mine simply called 💋, my last sustained Chris Isaak listening session took place when I was about ...
Analysis - Two ministers were stripped of portfolios in a warning to Cabinet, drama broke out at the Waitangi Tribunal, and the gang patch ban bill ran into opposition. ...
Tara Ward makes an impassioned plea for some vital pop culture merch. In April 1999, I became obsessed with a new reality television show called Popstars. Every Tuesday night, five strangers transformed into music royalty before my very eyes as Joe, Keri, Carly, Erika and Megan were chosen to form ...
PNG Post-Courier In the early hours of ANZAC Day, aerial photographs captured an impressive gathering of Australians and Papua New Guineans at Isurava in the Northern (Oro) Province. The solemn dawn service yesterday was held at a site steeped in history, where some of the fiercest battles of World War ...
The PSA is shocked that Oranga Tamariki has used the cost cutting drive to downgrade its commitment to Te Ao Māori and remove many specialist Māori roles. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ian Kemish, Adjunct Professor, School of Historical and Philosophical Inquiry, The University of Queensland There can be no more powerful symbol of the relationship between Australia and Papua New Guinea than the prime ministers of these neighbouring countries walking together on the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sharon Robinson, Distinguished Professor and Deputy Director of ARC Securing Antarctica’s Environmental Future (SAEF), University of Wollongong, University of Wollongong Andrew Netherwood Over the last 25 years, the ozone hole which forming over Antarctica each spring has started to shrink. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Viktoria Kahui, Senior Lecturer in Environmental Economics, University of Otago Getty Images/Amy Toensing Biodiversity is declining at rates unprecedented in human history. This suggests the ways we currently use to manage our natural environment are failing. One emerging concept focuses on ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Timothy Colin Bednall, Associate Professor in Management, Swinburne University of Technology marvent/Shutterstock Finding the best person to fill a position can be tough, from drafting a job ad to producing a shortlist of top interview candidates. Employers typically consider information from ...
Wondering where to host your next BYO? Whether its a small gathering or a massive party, we’ve got some recommendations. I was first introduced to the concept of BYOs at Dunedin’s India Gardens, a legendary but sadly defunct establishment, which purveyed enormous quantities of mango chicken to Aotearoa’s drunkest future ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Julien Cooper, Honorary Lecturer, Department of History and Archaeology, Macquarie University Julien Cooper The hyper-arid desert of Eastern Sudan, the Atbai Desert, seems like an unlikely place to find evidence of ancient cattle herders. But in this dry environment, my new ...
The sector says it’s hopeful her replacement Paul Goldsmith will be able to throw it a lifeline, after six months with a minister deemed missing in action, writes Catherine McGregor in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign ...
The government can't just rely on axing public sector jobs and has to do more to cut spending, says the chief economist at a free market think tank. ...
Rock The Vote NZ, known for its advocacy for minor party unity and its role within the Freedoms NZ Coalition during the 2023 General Election, celebrates this merger as a strategic enhancement of its operational strength and outreach. ...
Nearly everyone has experienced the frustration of something you use breaking and being difficult or expensive to fix. Proposed legislation could change that. It’s been raining on and off all Sunday afternoon but people are lining up outside a building in a corner of Gribblehirst Park in Sandringham, Auckland. In ...
What does a forever relationship look like when you don’t believe in marriage? And how do you celebrate it? This essay is part of our Sunday Essay series, made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand.I’m going to do it, right now. I’m going to say ...
It’s not that long ago Eliza McCartney was seriously wondering if the Paris Olympics would be her pole vaulting swansong. After years of being hounded by injury after injury, the Rio Olympics bronze medallist was still confident she would compete at her second Olympics in Paris in July, unless something ...
FICTION 1 Take Two by Danielle Hawkins (Allen & Unwin, $36.99) There’s commercial fiction, like this book, and then there’s quality fiction, quality writers, quality literature; the forthcoming Auckland Writers Festival is full of quality, and ReadingRoom has two tickets to give away to the following events: Paul Lynch (Dublin ...
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You can’t have missed the Gallipoli story as the movies, documentaries, essays and books capture what it was like for New Zealand troops in their eight-month campaign on the Peninsula. But this Anzac Day the Auckland War Memorial Museum has published a book that sheds light on a little-known aspect of the ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra In the free-for-all between the Australian government and Big Tech boss Elon Musk this week, the government had to be on a winner. Most people would have little sympathy with Musk’s vociferous opposition to ...
Asia Pacific Report Chief Mandla Mandela, a member of the National Assembly of South Africa and Nelson Mandela’s grandson, has joined the Freedom Flotilla in istanbul as the ships prepare to sail for Gaza, reports Kia Ora Gaza. Mandela is also the ambassador for the Global Campaign to Return to ...
Pacific Media Watch Journalists who report on environmental issues are encountering growing difficulties in many parts of the world, reports Reporters Without Borders. According to the tally kept by RSF, 200 journalists have been subjected to threats and physical violence, including murder, in the past 10 years because they were ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards, Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)Political scientist, Dr Bryce Edwards. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has surprised everyone with his ruthlessness in sacking two of his ministers from their crucial portfolios. Removing ministers for poor performance after only five months in the job just doesn’t normally happen in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Hawkins, Senior Lecturer, Canberra School of Politics, Economics and Society, University of Canberra BagzhanSadvakassov/Upsplash, CC BY-SA Australia’s inflation rate has fallen for the fifth successive quarter, and it’s now less than half of what it was back in late 2022. ...
ACT's Rural Communities and Veterans spokesman Mark Cameron responds to cancellations and protests of ANZAC Day commemorations in Wellington. He says, "These pitiful attempts to detract from ANZAC Day are not at all indicative of the feelings of mainstream ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Meighen McCrae, Associate Professor of Strategic & Defence Studies, Australian National University American and Australian stretcher bearers working together near the front line during the Battle of Hamel in 1918.Australian War Memorial While the AUKUS alliance is new, the Australian-American partnership ...
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Oil + Drugs = 911. Someone, please, tell me it ain’t so.
It aint so
Oil and drugs would be the more menial bonuses.
I’m sure the NWO can get their hands on these goods at anytime.
It is more about ‘control’.
First you install fear into the lives of humans, then (as a humanitarian ruse) beef up the security, while at the same time you ‘prison’ the world population.
I doubt this is a ‘religious’ thing, even though Islamic extremists are involved, but then I can imagine so are the CIA.
The NWO don’t care about religion, they just use it, to trick people (the innocents and also- the foolish that are involved, with the crime itself)
I wonder what possible use Tony Ryall’s public release of DHB league tables could serve?
It wouldn’t be to get us ready for some post 2011 PPP action in our hospitals, surely?
How stupid do they think we are?
So are the people whose jobs entail putting all this information together in these pretty tables – are they ‘bureaucrats’ or a front line service?
Is filling out the paperwork a ‘front line service’ or part of bureaucracy.
Given that publishing the tables will create more of this type of work (more trying to comply = more reporting = more bureaucracy) how can Mr Ryall justify National’s ‘fewer bureaucrats’ billboard?
Oh if only National could string together a sentence like “Fewer bureaucrats”.
I know, the pedant in me couldn’t resist fixing it, hence the quotes… Of course, Labour is to blame for the poor education that lead to National’s atrocious billboard grammar…
The issue around the 9/11 Conspiracy movement that people face is about consistency in using scientific evidence to back up your claims.
If you are going to denounce climate change skeptics like Ian Wishart and Lord Monckton as misrepresenting the science and using dodgy studies to back up their claims you can’t expect to be taken seriously when you then use the same sort of tactics to support claims around the September the 11th attacks.
Mainstream science is solidly behind the official version of how the three WTC buildings collapsed. You might dredge up some largely discredited studies which you might calim suggests otherwise ,however it does not mean the Science is still undecided on this issue.
Given the Science is solidly behind the mainstream version then you should realise how repugnant and ridiculous the implications of the 9/11 Truthers actually are. A massive conspiracy by elements of the US administration which has been phenomenally successful at first pulling it off, and secong keeping it quiet as well as fooling, or controlling the mainstream scientific community.
If you truly believe that then noone is going to take you seriously if you try and push a science based approach to anything ever again.
Like Copernicus, you mean?
Wow! Because Compernicus lived in a time where his writings were subjected to intense scientific peer review and then his ideas were discredited didn’t he?
Oh no wait he didn’t. He lived in a time where the Church decided what made up the world view and his vies forceably supporessed. The scientific method wasn’t yet established and freedom of intellectual thought was not allowed.
Are you implying that we live in a similar time to Compernicus then? If so how can we trust any Science such as what comes through the IPCC?
Scientific method. Like climategate, you mean?
BTW BLiP I am still waiting for you to provide a single piece of evidence that I am a AGW denier.
Are you going to retract this claim?
Hold your breath.
I take it that is a ‘No I can’t find any evidence that you are a AGW denier’?
“Mainstream science is solidly behind the official version of how the three WTC buildings collapsed.”
And the television footage of the planes hitting the building… but hey, why let the truth get in the way of tin foil hat wearing nutters?
You got me very confused Gosman. Are you saying that mainstream science can be trusted on 911 but not on global warming? And that the rest of us are being inconsistent?
No, I am stating that if you argue that the mainstream scientific consensus should be used to determine whether or not AGW is actually happening you make yourself a hypocrite and a laughing stock if you then ignore the same mainstream scientific consensus when it comes to something as controversial as the September the 11th attacks.
Do you not agree with this position quenchino?
You haven’t even begun to demonstrate that “Mainstream science is solidly behind the official version of how the three WTC buildings collapsed.”
If you could, you’d have a point.
But if you could, you would have already done so.
Yesterday RedLogix wasted a lot of time trying to discuss the scientific implications of your assumtions and you did nothing but attack him as a kook, a nutjob, a conspiracy theorist etc.
As you’re not willing to have a science-based discussion it’s very hard to see any point engaging with you on any science-related matters at all.
I’m sure you’ll continue to yell and scream all day today about how everyone who doubts anything you say is insane, a conspiracy theorist or whatever the currently fashionable insult is, but once people realise (and they do seem to have realised) that you’re not really up for a discussion anyway, why would anyone bother?
The only thing of any interest to me is why do you do it? You seem to be starting these threads every day, here and elsewhere. Why would someone devote so much time and energy to what you’re doing, which is essentially the equivalent of standing on a street corner shouting “THERE ARE CRAZY PEOPLE EVERYWHERE!!!”
After a while most of us learn to walk past those people. We’ve seen the movie before. We know how it ends.
Obviously he is part of Bush’s intricate world wide web of deceit designed to cover up what really happened during 9/11. They have been mounting a blog campaign using people who aren’t scientists to discredit other people who aren’t scientists. Its all part of a brilliant bottom up strategy that has kept truther’s on the fringe for the last 8 years.
Oh my god.
(to be read in the voice of Stan Marsh)
LOL
Wait till you find out the rescission is actually Bush’s creation designed to discredit Obama thereby ensuring black presidents all over the world are ousted and replaced by Bush clones created in a secret lab that was UNDER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER DUM DUM DUM
I believe I have provided a number of links and made references to Scientific critiques of the 9/11 Truthers claims as well as the actual NIST reports, ( which is the most comprehensive scientific evaluation of the structural failings of the three WTC buildings to date). If you have chosen not to read these articles then that is your problem.
As for your claim I have started the debate take a look at how the debate developed here. It was Travellerev and RedLogix who broutght this topic up on yesterday’s Openmike, not myself. I in fact did not respond until well after the discussion had been going for quite a number of hours.
If you don’t want people responding to controversial topics like this then perhaps you should ask people not to raise them.
Oh come on Gosman, this “anti-troofer” stuff is your favourite little personal crusade at the moment. You’re all over the blogs doing the same thing.
I just don’t know why you give a shit.
I’m highlighting a huge double standard when it comes to the use of Scientific evidence to support one’s position.
I find it morrally reprehensible that someone like Ms Fitzsimons of the Greens can claim to be promoting the Scientific mainstream view when it comes to AGW, (something I have no problem with BTW in case you join BLiP in trying to tar me with the Global Warming denier brush), but she and others completely jettison this sound and logical psoition when it comes to something as odious as the 9/11 Truther movement.
This is a topic that goes beyond a mere Left versus Right argument. You are either supportive of the Scientific method or you are like the looney radicals of the Anti-AGW and 9/11 Truther movement and cheery pick bad science to support your viewpoint.
I notice you have not disagreed recently with my asertion that the Science behind the claims made by Richard Gage and his ilk are seriously flawed. Does that now mean you can agree with me that supporting the aims of his movement and promoting it, as people like Travellerev do here, (without any prompting from me I might add), is deserving of a response?
Recently? I don’t think I ever have.
So what?
You mean like “stomach ulcers are caused by stress” or, perhaps, “smoking increases your lung capacity” ?
This in no way changes his point. You have people on one hand claiming that the accepted scientific opinion is that Global warming is real (which I agree with) so the minority of scientists who claim it isn’t are crazy. Then on the other hand even though the majority of scientific opinion is that 9/11 was carried out by terrorists doesn’t mean that the few scientists who claim it wasn’t are crazy.
To argue one then the other leaves you in a position where you seem to be someone who isn’t really interested in the science but someone who is interested in finding science that meets your needs.
“Then on the other hand even though the majority of scientific opinion is that 9/11 was carried out by terrorists”
I’m not convinced that this is a ‘scientific’ question in the same way that AGW is. Sure, science is involved but it’s not like there is a broadly accepted theory that when buildings collapse it’s because of terrorism and that truthers are denying the theory of terrorism.
We are talking about one data point, unrelated to any controversial theory.
Quite incorrect.
Both sides of the 9/11 debate claim they have the weight of scientific literature behind them.
The Truthers largely rely on the some misrepresentations on the Physics of Structural engineering and how free standing builds collapse plus a couple of incredibly dodgy studies by some Conspiracy Theorists ‘Scientists’ which supposedly show that Active Thermite particles were found in the debris.
The otherside of the debate relies on the very detail official scientific investigation by NIST, amongst others. This is generally accepted as the Mainstream view. On top of that there is the huge number of people out there that pull apart the 9/11 truthers so called Scientific studies.
This is firstly a simple case of where you are either for the Mainstream scientific view or against it. Whether you believe the particular theory that supports this comes after that.
“Both sides of the 9/11 debate claim they have the weight of scientific literature behind them.”
Bully for both of them. They can claim what they like as far as I’m concerned.
I’m just saying that it’s not even remotely like AGW, no matter how useful you find the comparison, rhetorically speaking.
I understand exactly what you are saying. However, it seems to me a bit of an apples/oranges fallacy. Unlike climate science, the 911 situation has only, about, half a dozen questions which need to be answered to reach a definitive conclusion.
There are a plethora of other questions surrounding motive and means which I would also like answered, but the science itself can be solved easily.
That’s a fair argument to make. The way I see it is there are motives for both sides. I however think that the conspiracy option is far harder to swallow. Bush was dumb and ignorant, but it’s a big step to sign off on faking the greatest terrorist attack on US soil. However I have no doubt that there are terrorist organizations out there who would want to make an impact such as this.
Just seems a bit far fetched to me.
Here is a link to a detailed analysis of the Controlled demolition theory. It is apparently written from someone who is opposed to the UK and US foreign policy decisions in the wake of September the 11th. So it just goes to show that you can still be a good left winger and support the official position on this subject.
http://www.jnani.org/mrking/writings/911/king911.htm#_Toc144445999
You love those modifiers. I note that the NIST report has been updated several times since the piece you link to was written.
So does that mean the NIST report or this analysis is flawed in any way BLiP?
Shall we take a look at the so called scientific studies that people like Richard Gage rely on to promote their odious conspiracy Theory?
Take Steven Jones’ study which supposedly ‘proves’ that Active Thermite was present in the dust particles. This site takes apart his study http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Steven+Jones
I especially like this bit about the Journal of 9/11 studies, where many of the studies supporting the Conspiracy Theories are published –
“However, it has been quite obvious from the very beginning, that most of the so-called peer-reviewers are none other than other members of the same organization. In other words, they are peer-reviewing each others’ papers.”
If this was an Anti-AGW organisation people would be all over this.
Face facts – the Science behind the 9/11 Truther movement is seriously flawed not to mention the bizarre implications of what they claim.
In that case, you can have no objection to the “truthers” being made to look like they fools they are at an open, independent investigation before the world’s media?
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That would be about as productive as David Bain’s retrial. A bunch of people with preconceived opinions deciding on a topic that was already judged by those who went into it with an open mind.
There already has been an investigation into what happened on September 11th 2001. In fact there are three separate official investigations. Just because the Truthers don’t like the outcome doesn’t mean that they should be humoured.
Also what new evidence is meant to be investigated? That Active Thermite was present in the debris? I have shown that the studies which suggest that are seriously flawed as well as being promoted by people with a particular agenda i.e. not independent Scientists. Perhaps it is that Controlled demolitions are the only way to explain how the three buildings fell? Didn’t the NIST report deal with this?
What new scientific evidence that is credible is going to be investigated BLiP?
Yes it would be. There are significant parallels.
Once again BLiP – What new credible scientific evidence is being presented that would justify a new investigation?
Just because Richard Gage and his band of nutjob Conspiracy Theorists jump up and down and quote copious amounts of bad science to support their claims doesn’t mean they deserve a hearing.
There are people out there who think the Moon landing was staged – Do they deserve an investigation as well?
To be perfectly honest, what does it matter these days?
The towers fell down and a whole bunch of war was made because of it. There is no way to take back that day or the years that have passed inbetween or the people killed in the fighting. It is wasted breath on both sides – be a 911 Truther and conspiracy theorist or just accept the official story, at the end of the day it just doesn’t matter at all.
So you think the 9/11 Truthers are wasting their time trying to reopen the investigation then Zorr?
A look at the NIST website is interesting, but their investigation of 911 is hard to compare with the IPCC AGW science. The biggest difference is the much smaller number of scientists named and the fact that almost no-one got to see or study any of the original building wreckage.
One report, even if it is a very thick one, from one group, that has not been subject to open review with all the source data is not the same as a consensus. 911 was a single event, and all the original evidence is now long gone, so it makes it very hard for anyone to prove anything that disagrees with NIST.
It’s a bit like someone wanting to discuss or challenge the claims of pro-global warming scientists, but none the temperature records being available to look at because they were destroyed years ago. No-one would be very satisfied with that.
Two different things however. Climate change is constantly happening allowing for constant collection of data that is available to anyone who wishes to use it. The 9/11 attacks were a single incident. Data was collected and analyzed by experts who came up with the final NIST report. The data they used for that incident is available to those who claim it was a conspiracy. They choose to cherry pick it and supplement their evidence with poor quality video and unsubstantiated eyewitness evidence and ignore any data which is counter to the findings the want. Just like any good conspiracy.
Here’s a page with a link to a peer reviewed scientific journal article on 9/11:
As much as the truthers like Redlogix want to claim that science is on their side they are wrong.
I am not sure if this is the right way to go about things, but I want to ask a question of someone who has better knowledge of economics than I have: In the business pages of this morning’s Herald, there was a claim from treasury that we need to cut government spending if we are to “close the gap” with Australia. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10610950
I am inclined to think that if it is true that the Australian Government spends a smaller portion of it GDP on welfare, etc, this is in part because Australian wages are not so far removed from what it costs to live. So they do not go so far in using welfare to bridge the gap between the fantasy of wealth and the reality of stagnation. Hence I am inclined to see treasury’s claim as getting things the wrong way round – that in reality Australia is not doing comparatively well because of less government spending, but rather their government needs to spend less because Australia is doing comparatively well. Am I wrong about this?
Key to meet the Queen. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3089023/John-Key-to-meet-the-Queen
It’s all about him of course…
“I think I am the first leader seeing the Queen, and I am doing the toast for the Queen as well,” Mr Key said on TVNZ’s Breakfast programme this morning.
“I must be teacher’s pet. I think it was something to do with bringing back the knighthoods.”
Titular honours were abolished by the Labour-led government in 1999, but Mr Key reinstated them.
A spokeswoman for Mr Key said he was invited to make the toast at the Friday dinner hosted by the Queen – it is an honour given to the most recently-elected country leader.”
Pussy Nat, pussy Nat, where have you been?
I’ve been to London to visit the Queen
Pussy Nat, pussy Nat, what did you there?
I prostrated myself, in front of her chair
Pussy Nat, pussy Nat, why did you bother?
So I’d get the knighthood, instead of another!
Gold!! 🙂
Well said!
I was under the illusion that NOT all titular honours were eliminated in 1999. Did not parliament still keep their own e.g Honerable etc?
I’ll give it a go, Olwyn.
First up, Treasury are a bunch of dry right fossils whose default position on any given subject is ‘reduce government spending’.
Secondly, Australia has an extra level of government and taxation that we don’t; the states and territories. So I suspect they have more ‘government’ than we do. The country is significantly wealthier than NZ, both because of the raw materials boom and the scale factors between the two economies.
Australia collects more PAYE than we do, because more of them are in jobs (on average) than us and those jobs are better paid than us (by 25-30% apparently), so there is more tax money to be distributed.
All in all, I’d say the Treasury quote was the usual bollocks and your estimation of the situation is spot on.
Thanks for that, Voice of Reason.
Thanks for that VTR – Treasury would have required six months research and a big budget to come up with that summation (which they wouldn’t of course).
I wonder if we can pare Treasury’s costs down, sort of like politicians are now – they could pay for their own extravagant gear, furnishings etc. I think one of their executive ilk had his (her) desk imported from Italy in the free-market feeding frenzy around 1990.
A practical way of ending the comments on this subject is to stop replying, the topic will decline like a pricked waterbed.
I am referring to 9/11 debate.
Your suggestion should really be towards those like Travellerev who continue to post her odious and repugnant Conspiracy Theories on this blog.
[lprent: Provided people follow the rules, I really don’t care anymore than I do for what looks like similar opinions from a different angle from you. It can stay in the OpenMike, not spill into the other topics, not deteriorate into simple flames, and people will avoid or read as they prefer.
Besides, right or wrong, some of the discussion has actually been interesting to me – but probably not in a way that either ‘side’ would find interesting.
Ultimately the decision about ‘odious’ etc lies completely with the moderators, and we’re pretty jealous about it and do not respond well to people explicitly or implicitly telling us what we should do. So I’d suggest not going too far down this path or I might make a determination about what I find odious. People seldom enjoy that. ]
Are you saying that if she stops commenting, you’ll go away?
Is that blackmail?
So any thoughts towards Twyford likely to stand for Waitakere and Ardern standing for Auckland Central?
New right wing New Zealand capitalist blog involved in “comments for chocolate scandal” learn more at:
http://www.democracymum.co.nz
Both would be excellent electorale MPs .
Jacinda Ardern is a highly intelligent young lady ,with a most pleasing personality,.what is more she is the Chairperson of the Youth Branch of Socialist International meaning that her political education is of the highest standard. This, plus she has proved to be a most hard working list MP. making her an excellent choice for the people of Auckland Central. Having meet her on a number of occasions I can truthfully say she has impressd me with not only her intelllegence but her obvious commitment to caring Social Democratic ideals. If Jacinda Ardern is selected then I urge all Auckland Central Voters to get out and vote for an MP who would serve you well.
Bye the way I have been a member of the NZLP for nearly 50 years and before that a member of the Labour Party UK. I have meet many MPs and would be MPs this young lady does impress me..
Hi
No one here has mentioned the big story of today.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26386792-401,00.html
[lprent: Why is that a big story? Oh because you think so, and what qualifications do you have to be able to understand anything that is in those e-mails? Nothing?
Probably why there hasn’t been much here about this. But I can imagine that the illiterate CCD’s are jerking off to it elsewhere.
Why don’t you do something useful – read RealClimate on the subject. ]
Mentioned in yesterdays open mike thread, of which to add to the mocking of Andrei, here’s a lovely deconstruction of CCD bs on the leaks from greenfyre:
Climate change Deniers hoax themselves again.
And yes, when one is vexed and annoyed by morons, it’s rather human to morbidly laugh at their demise, whether it be via death or banhammer.
We will see i guess?.Soon I would think!
While I love a good argument and have somewhat fixed views,I have never in my life wished someone dead,even though at times I tell them to FRO and leave me alone.They just have different views thats all.