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Open mike 25/11/2020

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  1. Stuart Munro 1

    “I have been advertising for chefs and cooks for over a week now on various platforms and I have had zero applications,” Roper said.

    A week and her whinefest is in the papers? Entitled much?

    Employers have had unrestricted access to migrant visas for so long that they have lost essential skills like hiring.

    From real estate agents to pet groomers: These are the jobs that New Zealanders can't or won't do | Stuff.co.nz

    • Pataua4life 1.1

      i am in Queenstown at this very moment. Every second shop is advertising for staff so what the article says is very real.

      • Stuart Munro 1.1.1

        A week is not a very credible period to be complaining over looking for staff. And, for working people, Queenstown is damned inconvenient, with accommodation costs so high it's basically not worth considering. As with most other "labour shortages" it will prove solvable when remuneration sufficiently exceeds cost of living.

        You do wonder about these starry-eyed screw-ups though. Never thought to do any labour planning, but expect to fix everything in a week. Mark of what passes for professionalism in NZ – rofl.

      • Brigid 1.1.2

        If they're not getting applications the conditions they're offering are not meeting what the market demands.

        Funny that.

        • Graeme

          A couple of added dynamics in Queenstown are covid and economic effects of.

          Hospo workers aren’t that keen on working in an environment where they could contract it and have moved to safer jobs. The other is the economic health of the employer, the bar across the street from us has had more staff than punters during the day for the last few weeks. They can’t do that for long.

          Good stable employers don’t seem to be having too much trouble, a barista job went at the Resort College last month and they had plenty of applicants and got a very good appointment in the process

    • gsays 1.2

      Ms Roper is wanting cooks for a food truck.

      Full time work?

      Hours of work? Split shifts?

      Pay rate?

      Will Ms Roper be investing in her staff by upskilling, cross training, or help formalizing experience with courses?

      It is what is not said in these articles that is most interesting.

    • RedBaronCV 1.3

      What on earth do immigration think they are doing? I read page one and my jaw dropped. Accounting and clerical vacancies per the main websites are still running at around 60% of pre covid vacancies and there has been an abysmal training record in this area for years. This years grads plus some more training on the job for them would fill the bulk of this. Plus moving jobs outside Auckland instead of trapping them in the noe city. Plus these are female heavy occupations where unemployment has hit hard.

      As to aircraft engineers – Air New Zealand laid off some of those. Why not let the market sort out those who can't offer a viable job – isn't this how it is supposed to work. Plus anyone who wants a visa should have to prove that they have provided training to anyone who wants to upskill.

    • Treetop 1.4

      When a person has a work visa do they need to have that visa tied to just the one job and for a specific period of time?

      How long does the average worker last if not tied to the above?

  2. Jester 2

    There has been a few more of these landlord / tenant stories lately.

    Auckland tenant's sons got angry, put 41 holes in walls and doors of rental | Stuff.co.nz

    • greywarshark 2.1

      Addiction to electronic devices appears to be fuelling an increase in serious violence caused by young people within the family home.
      Triggered by disputes over devices, when parents put their foot down to limit access to the internet the reaction can be extreme – leading to property damage, serious assaults and threats to kill.

      Nelson lawyer John Sandston, who was formerly the New Zealand Law Society’s inaugural youth justice spokesperson and has been a youth advocate for 25 years, said the trend seemed to have “come out of nowhere”.
      “I can’t think of a case [in the Youth Court] in the past year or two where it hasn’t related to either a gadget such as a phone, or a game, or internet usage.

      And it's wise to be wary of adopting any of the technology being pushed at you.

      A recent report by the New York Times detailed examples of "technology-facilitated abuse".

      This involves devices being activated remotely in order to cause fear or confusion – such as remotely altering the temperature or locking doors.

  3. Ad 3

    In my post a few days ago I set out the buildup of political judgement against the Reserve Bank putting $28billion of untagged debt into our banks.

    Minister Robertson publically releasing his letter to the Reserve Bank yesterday is a hot political move.

    The Reserve Bank was scheduled to hold its big media conference today. That makes this battle fully live.

    Orr will be forced to explain what he is going to do about rising house prices as requested by the Minister of Finance.

    Orr can continue to defend or demonstrate really clearly the positive effects of his policies.

    Tail, meet Dog.

    • Pat 3.1

      If Robertson wishes to force the RBNZ to do the governments job for them re house price inflation he in return will be forced to explain what alternative negative outcome the government prefers….be careful what you wish for.

    • Incognito 3.2

      A battle of egos? A battle for power? A PR battle, which pundits and MSM will love? I wonder on whose side the Opposition is …

    • Nic the NZer 3.3

      Orr should offer to just give Treasury a direct overdraft in future, rather than the effective equivalent of secondary market purchases. Its time, the public trusts the govt to fund itself.

      Then he could offer to "reverse" the QE by writing off all the govt debt it now holds.

      • Treetop 3.3.1

        Is there a difference between Treasury and the Reserve Bank and if so what is it?

        • Sacha

          They are obviously the same organisation with two totally different names to confuse the natives.

        • Pat

          The Treasury and the Reserve Bank have the following individual responsibilities:

          • the Treasury is the Government’s lead advisor on macroeconomics (other than on matters relating to the formulating and implementing of monetary policy), wider economic policy and all matters related to fiscal policy.
          • the Reserve Bank is New Zealand’s central bank. The Bank is the Government’s lead advisor on matters relating to the formulation and implementation of monetary policy, prudential supervision, macro-prudential policy and financial markets.


          • Treetop

            Thanks for the info.

          • greywarshark

            Must the government heed the Treasury? What sanctions would be on the government for not doing so? Is there no room for government to act independently and not be eviscerated by the usual suspects?

            • Pat

              Parliament is sovereign so no need to heed any body, but theoretically Treasury (or other departments) have the expertise that MPs dont necessarily have..however Governments are elected to govern so they have the obligation to make the decisions.

              Am unsure who the 'usual suspects' are in your post

              …oh, and would add theres no love lost between the RBNZ and Treasury and has been that way as long as I can remember

              • greywarshark

                Well the usual suspects would likely be, the Opposition, possibly business interests like NZ Initiative, the bank economists, the Property owners and renters bodies, and anyone who is having their gravy train pushed to a siding from the main line.

        • RosieLee

          I find it really offensive and insulting that this has become a stoush between Robertson and the Reserve Bank. If this Labour were worth its salt it would immediately curb rampant house price inflation by imposing CGT on all but the family home. Tax the shit out of residential property speculators. It's not about "mum and dad investors' or "getting on the property ladder."

          Get back into a huge state house building programme. Couple it with trade training schemes to upskill our own people. Invest in NZ firms which can provide modern spec, flat pack affordable houses.

          The cause of poverty in NZ is unaffordable rents, which take up so much of benefits and low wages.

          • RosieLee

            Oh, and get rid of landbankers, real estate agents, and property developers.
            Ie what’s happened to core Labour vision and principles?
            As a lifetime Labour voter, I’m struggling to make sense of it all.

          • Herodotus

            Yet a week ago our PM was justifying the independence of the reserve bank and having a go at the opposition for suggesting to give RB direction. How quickly things change especially as the govt has been caught out being totally ineffective. But don't worry after being the government for 3 years they are looking for "I have also sought advice on further demand side measures that can add to the initiatives that we have already taken". Do your 🤬 job you were elected


            "But Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is concerned about influencing the Reserve Bank, which operates independently of the Government.

            "That seems a significant departure for a political party in New Zealand to move away from what has been long-term consensus around the separation between politicians and the Reserve Bank," she said in response to National's suggestions.

            "I'd say that is concerning. There's very good reason we have those separations."


            • alwyn

              "There's very good reason we have those separations".

              Someone should ask her, at a Press Conference preferably, to tell us what those reasons are. The stuttering and waffling would be a marvel to behold.

              I don't believe she has the slightest idea what the reasons, if any, are.

              • Pat

                to keep politicians (who are susceptible to public pressure) away from the levers

                • Herodotus

                  So how is our Finance minister writing a letter to the RB with suggestions on changing the remit regarding (un) affordability keeping politicians at arms length ? If we want the reserve bank distant from public pressure what then motivated our Min of Finance ?

                  "One proposal I am seeking advice from the Reserve Bank on is whether to include stability in house prices as a factor for consideration in the Remit when formulating monetary policy,"

                  • Pat

                    the 'note' written to the RBNZ Governor was explicit in noting the Act was not going to be changed….it was Robertson playing politics (badly)

                    Sadly this gov has squandered the previous 3 years in power and are now intent on wasting the opportunity that Orr has been telling them to seize

                  • alwyn

                    Did you notice the reply he got from the RBNZ?

                    In response to the query asking whether they could include house prices in their work the response was very simple. It was "We already do so"

                    • Herodotus

                      Yes read that and glad that the RB does pay attention – Think how the property market would be otherwise. Its not functioning for the benefit of the country currently and what of the social damage being caused as a unintended consequence of the policies put into place.

          • DanS

            Totally agree. I have no problem with speculators but they should pay tax on capital gains in the same way we pay tax on our salaries.

  4. Ad 4

    Is it still possible to BDM Sodastream now that SnoopDogg is their brand ambassador?

  5. Reality 5

    Though a frequent customer at a nice cafe, I wonder if the problem getting staff is that there are so many cafes in some places. Some may be struggling to cover costs. Is there a need for a food truck in Wanaka when there are likely to be several cafes already. Is accommodation hard to find there, which would deter some prospective chefs. Especially if the work is irregular.

    • Stuart Munro 5.1

      There may be some places for single staff. But your better cooks do marry, just like folk in other professions. A family home in Queenstown would use up a salary on a par with Adrian Orr.

  6. joe90 6

    The tRump bot.

    A coronavirus outbreak in Shanghai has been traced to two cargo handlers who cleaned a container that had just arrived from North America, Chinese health officials have said.

    Hundreds of flights were cancelled at Shanghai’s Pudong International airport, one of the world’s busiest transport hubs, amid chaotic scenes caused by a sudden decision to test airport staff on Sunday.


    • Ad 7.1

      They are welcome to apply for citizenship like anyone else.

      The skill criteria of what we need are published for all to see.

      With growing unemployment of our own people, we should hire our own people for our own stuff.

      • Phillip ure 7.1.1

        So ad..let's say you are a kiwi working in oz…and a local labour party supporter said that..what would your thoughts/reactions be..?..would you need those words and immediately decamp to the airport..?..or would you dismiss those words as xenophobic/nativist..?

      • Chris 7.1.2

        So do you agree with what Nash said about freedom campers? Your tone suggests you do, but you haven't addressed the point of Zoe Hannah's piece, which was a direct response to Nash's remarks. You could get a job in Judith Collins' comms team.

        • Ad

          Spaceships owner James Rolleston – who owns a fleet of 600 campervans with 0 toilets onboard, had the best subliminal line on this:

          "We have 15 years of operating that business and we've put a huge amount of focus into education about how to camp, where to camp, how to look after the environment. It's actually a complex issue… I think just cubbyholing a business like Spaceship rentals is a bit rough."


          James Rolleston gains millions in rent rent by selling 600 "cubbyholes" for over 1200 people to live and work in. He should be treated as a landlord and subject to the same quality standards as a landlord.
          He only gets away with being a slumlord by being classed a tourism operator.

          In fact James Rolleston has duped tens of thousands of Zoe Hannah's into being willingly oppressed and enjoying the scenery while they shit all over it.

          The Zoe Hannah's of this world should be stopped from entering at the border, and get in line for an actual sustainable job that is proven cannot be done by a New Zealander first.

  7. joe90 9

    Tens of millions suffering and the tRump gang blocks access to hundreds of billions of unspent relief appropriations.

    Cruelty is the point.

    Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin will put $455 billion in unspent Cares Act funding into an account that his presumed successor, former Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen, will need authorization from Congress to use.

    Mnuchin plans to place the money into the agency’s General Fund, a Treasury Department spokesperson said Tuesday. Moving the funds, the bulk of which had gone to support Federal Reserve emergency-lending facilities, will make it virtually impossible for Yellen, if confirmed by the Senate as Treasury secretary, to deploy on her own.


    • JO 9.1


      A DOG was lying upon a manger full of hay. An Ox, being hungry, came near, and offered to eat of the hay; but the envious, ill-natured cur, getting up and snarling at him, would not suffer him to touch it, Upon which the Ox, in the bitterness of his heart, said, A curse light on thee, for a malicious wretch, who wilt neither eat hay thyself, nor suffer others to do it.

      C. Whittingham (1814)

      Envy is the most unnatural and unaccountable of all the passions. There is scarce any other emotion of the mind, however unreasonable, but may have something said in excuse for it; and there are many of these weaknesses of the soul, which, notwithstanding the wrongness and irregularity of them, swell the heart, while they last, with pleasure and gladness. But the envious man has no such apology as this to make; the stronger the passion is, the greater torment he endures, and subjects himself to a continual real pain, bv only wishing ill to others. Revenge is sweet, though cruel and inhuman; and though it sometimes thirsts even for blood, yet may be glutted and satiated. Avarice is something highly monstrous and absurd; yet, as it is a desire after riches, every little acquisition gives it pleasure; and to behold and feel the hoarded treasure, to a covetous man is a constant, uncloying enjoyment. But envy, which is an anxiety arising in our minds, upon our observing accomplishments in others, which we want ourselves, can never receive any true comfort, unless in a deluge, a conflagration, a plague, or some general calamity that should befal mankind: for, as long as there is a creature living, that enjoys its being happily within the envious man’s sphere, it will afford nourishment to his distempered mind: but such nourishment as will make him pine, and fret, and emaciate himself to nothing.


      • Phillip ure 9.1.1

        Fable: the new zealand labour party..

        application: smear/cake it with neoliberal-incrementalism..

  8. halfcrown 10

    Something I saw last year and worth repeating this year.

    Sorry can't locate the source.

    "Black Friday Discounts Save 100% Stay at Home"

  9. joe90 11

    Too funny.

    • arkie 11.1

      Possibly not troo funny.

  10. greywarshark 12

    'Social Capital' hasn't been in the talk for a while. I'm just reading Bowling Alone – The Collapse and Revival of American Community by Robert D Putnam. Big well backed with stats, good hypotheses, over 400 pages of good thinking. This updated version published 2000. Hopefully at a library near you – I had to request it.

    There are heavy stats on how television has diminished communities and co-operative society. You can't goggle and boggle at the same time – it doesn't give you time to think before the next amazing scene, tragedy, kitten, whale, comes before you. Passivity is the name of the game, unless the game is watching sport!

    • Phillip ure 12.1

      Have you just come back from some sort of timewarp..?…where the deleterious outcomes from watching television is the moral-panic du jour..?…oh..!..what we'd give for those much simpler times back/again..eh..?

      • greywarshark 12.1.1

        Almost spiteful Phillip Ure. Can you can the negative comments that I notice you specialise in amongst your so many contributions! I am looking for perspectives and solutions to our pressing problems in NZ and I don't need your superior opinions expressed in your sardonic way. They are not at all helpful.

        • Phillip ure

          If you leave doors wide open…I'm gonna walk right thru them…and that fretting over tv watching is such a door…you will be relieved to learn that the kids don't really watch much tv anymore….so your initial problem is no more…people now yearn for the times when families watched TV together…now everyone is in their own online world…but 'spiteful'..?..I really don't think so..

    • Stuart Munro 12.2

      It's a good read. Tends to debunk the melting pot story too.

  11. Koff 13

    Clever, funny skit in the Spinoff about JAs 'carnng' persona. I have to say that I can't bear to listen to any of Jacinda's Facebook stints that appear on my wife's Facebook page these days. They seem so insincere.

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