Open mike 26/09/2023

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  1. Dennis Frank 1

    Judging by this RNZ review, the young politicians debate was fun:

    Host Anna Harcourt from Re: News did a good job keeping them all focused and in line, making good use of the buzzer and unafraid to step in when necessary… Williams appeared reluctant to defend the GST off fruit and vegetables policy, turning instead to Labour's free dental for under-30s, saying it would "mean people won't have to put off their essential healthcare until they can afford it"… Stanford also pivoted when asked about National's tax cuts, saying "these are all just bandages, the key thing we have to do is actually attack cost of living".

    Donoghue said with immigrants all going to the main centres, housing was part of the cost of living problem – and NZ First was wanting to restrict the number of migrants coming in… His intro skated over the party's priorities of wanting to stand up against "woke extremism", say no to co-governance, "put the K back into iwi", protect assets, and incentivise careers for those who stayed in New Zealand.

    During the rainbow issues segment, he was asked about the party's policy of removing "gender ideology" from curriculum, challenged over whether it really was an important issue. He justified it by saying parents are very concerned about "complex, sexual, inappropriate discussions happening at school", and referred to warnings from a right-leaning lobby group about primary school children being disciplined if they did not affirm other children's gender: "we can't shut people up because it hurts our feelings".

    Swarbrick interrupted, saying "I think you're talking about consequences, bro". She said the data showed trans people and children were more highly represented in mental ill health and suicide statistics, "and mate, it's driven by rhetoric from the likes of your party," to applause from the audience. Donoghue responded that "more people are transgendering, or transitioning, than ever before", blaming Swarbrick's rhetoric, to boos. Van Velden said we have to "agree to disagree".

    Stanford said the bathrooms issue was not a problem, and no school she's been to around the country had a problem with it – a sentiment panellists later agreed with, India Logan-Riley saying the whole topic appeared to be a wedge issue targeted by NZ First to drive division and stoke votes. All parties agreed more needed to be done to support people's mental health, though each seemed to have different suggestions for how to do so.

    The next segment took a bizarre turn, with a question over whether each candidate feared being killed by extreme weather caused by climate change. Donoghue was the only one to not fully raise his hand, explaining he'd "been hit by lightning, but no I'm not afraid". He said this was after an Iron Maiden concert in Rome – though it was, as Harcourt noted, nothing to do with climate change.

    Rather unfair of the god of heavy metal to zap a fan like that, I thought. However, since the dude survived the test he's likely to prove himself staunch in politics…

    • bwaghorn 1.1

      more people are transgendering, or transitioning, than ever before", blaming Swarbrick's rhetoric,

      This is a topic that needs serious attention, pubity was confusing enough when I went through it , Im as hetero as they get but it still took me a while to be sure, that was before the internet and schools telling me I could possibly be a number of things gender wise now!

      • Dennis Frank 1.1.1

        I agree it's a trending up thing. I'm all for self-determination. Your point about developmental confusion is a good one too re adolescence.

        College in the '60s was macho & as a sensitive but feisty lad I acquired an ability to copy the cool guys somewhat. They call it mimesis nowadays – a biological skill. So many in my class were pretending to be gay which I thought peculiar & that they were all kidding. I was so naive!

      • Nic the NZer 1.1.2

        Teenagers to young adults have a period of development where they differentiate from their parents and family and start associating with their chosen friend groups instead. This is where they tend to highlight (or present) their individual personalities and how they are different from their immediate family. This is sometimes known as the rebellious teenage phase.

        I suspect a lot (though not all) of gender non-conforming behavior within this age range is an example of this developmental phenomena myself. Probably similar with the development of gay teenagers personalities at the time, but that trait usually persists into adulthood.

        Unfortunately I found out about this while reading how Stefan Molyneux had been using his wife's counseling qualifications to offer internet counseling, and pushing young adults into family separation in practice.

    • Molly 1.2

      "Swarbrick interrupted, saying "I think you're talking about consequences, bro". She said the data showed trans people and children were more highly represented in mental ill health and suicide statistics, "and mate, it's driven by rhetoric from the likes of your party," to applause from the audience."

      Data shows that those who declare a gender identity – often have co-morbidities that affect mental health. These are often not explored further when the approach is "gender affirming health care":

      The Sweden National Board of Health and Welfare are now revising their treatment guidelines and have released a preliminary report. News coverage of this report reports that:

      “…people with gender dysphoria, especially young people, have a high incidence of concomitant psychiatric diagnoses, self-harming behavior or suicide attempts compared with the rest of the population.

      The diagnoses that stand out are depression, anxiety disorders, ADHD and autism. In the group of 13–17-year-olds who were registered as girls at birth and who were diagnosed with gender dysphoria, the comorbidity is greatest.”

      Of these, had:

      • 32.4 percent anxiety disorder
      • 28.9 percent some form of depressive disorder
      • 19.4 percent adhd
      • 15.2 percent autism

      That such a large proportion have concomitant psychiatric diagnoses is a factor that needs to be considered in more detail during the investigation of gender dysphoria”

      Swedish link here:

      It dismays me to continually read the irresponsible reference to suicide that many people use, despite providing no data, and against suicide prevention guidelines.

      An article on this issue:

      In 2017, the Movement Advancement Project (an LGBT advocacy group), the Johnson Family Foundation, and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention coauthored a document titled “Talking About Suicide & LGBT Populations.” The nation’s leading LGBT advocacy groups officially endorsed it. These included the Human Rights Campaign, GLSEN, the Trevor Project (which focuses on suicide prevention), GLAAD, PFLAG, the Transgender Law Center, SAGE, the Center for American Progress, and the National LGBTQ Task Force. In a section titled “Guidelines for Talking About Suicide in Safe and Accurate Ways,” the document contains this recommendation:

      DON’T attribute a suicide death to a single factor (such as bullying or discrimination) or say that a specific anti-LGBT law or policy will “cause” suicide. Suicide deaths are almost always the result of multiple overlapping causes, including mental health issues that might not have been recognized or treated. Linking suicide directly to external factors like bullying, discrimination or anti-LGBT laws can normalize suicide by suggesting that it is a natural reaction to such experiences or laws. It can also increase suicide risk by leading at-risk individuals to identify with the experiences of those who have died by suicide.

      This recommendation couldn’t be clearer.

      • Dennis Frank 1.2.1

        Yes, you're quite right. More accuracy & care in diagnosis & treatment seems to be required. Folks are averse to complexity and will retreat into conventional simple-minded categorising given half a chance. It's normal to condone such human nature but public health necessitates transcendence of such trad normalcy.

      • psych nurse 1.2.2

        Where I practice five to ten percent of inpatients would be transgender at any given time.They all have commonalities. Female trans-gendering to male, Personality disorders, on the Autism spectrum, sexually abused as a child. Transitioning is simply a way of making yourself unattractive to predating males,

      • SPC 1.2.3

        That such a large proportion have concomitant psychiatric diagnoses is a factor that needs to be considered in more detail during the investigation of gender dysphoria”

        Can you cite any of the LGBTQIA+group where this is not also the case?

        Historically it was because of the diagnosis by the profession and society that those not obedient to essential patriarchy in social and religious order of rule (cisgener heterosexual Pauline society) was abnormal.

        Alienation from land/mana and unemployment/poverty and related cycles of abuse and society gaslighjting have done the same for Maori.

    • Incognito 1.3

      Your lengthy but lazy copypasta, with selective parts left out without any indication for the unsuspecting reader, just to make an inane comment at the very end!?

      Lift your game!

  2. observer 2

    Another day, another ACT candidate showing how nasty they really are. How many is that now? It's hard to keep up.

    Unfortunately Stuff has removed easy access to many of its stories now, but here's a summary of their report:

    NZ election 2023 live: ACT's bad fortnight gets a bit worse as insiders lift lid on candidate process |

  3. Dennis Frank 3

    Zuck in 2021: "In the metaverse, you'll be able to do almost anything you can imagine".

    A moment of truth looms:

    On Wednesday the company holds its annual VR event called Meta Connect. It's a chance for Zuckerberg to again explain his reasoning for taking an extremely profitable social media company and diverting its focus to an extremely unprofitable VR venture.

    How unprofitable? Reality Labs – which as the name suggests is Meta's virtual and augmented reality branch – has lost a staggering $21 billion since last year… so far, there is very little evidence that this enormous punt will work. Horizon Worlds, a game published by Meta, is about as close as the company has got to creating a metaverse. Users can hop into different settings – cafes, comedy clubs, night clubs, basketball courts – to hang out and play games.

    Meta claims it has 300,000 monthly users: tiny when compared to the billions of people on Facebook and Instagram… User reviews complain of empty worlds, and say there simply aren't enough people to make it fun. Or if there are people, they're often children.

    Looks like a magical portal dysfunction. Enchanted users getting sucked thro is happening slowly. A design flaw, or technoklutz? We'll see I guess:

    In July, on an investor call, someone asked Zuckerberg why he'd spent all this money. "Help us understand," they said. Zuckerberg said he understood the frustration, and admitted: "I can't guarantee you that I'm going to be right about this bet. I do think that this is the direction that the world is going in."

    And so, on Wednesday, we'll hear from Zuckerberg as he attempts to breathe life into a concept in desperate need…

    • AB 3.1

      design flaw, or technoklutz?

      Both. The latter causing the former. Worse than a design flaw though – a moral/spiritual/intellectual flaw. Compelling evidence of why we should never allow anybody to become extremely rich, because otherwise our society gets dominated by the worst people in it.

      • Dennis Frank 3.1.1

        a moral/spiritual/intellectual flaw

        Yeah, good point. I believe humans have a spiritual drive within, as part of the psyche, separate from intellect. Morality seems to have biological roots – which evolutionary psych science has been exploring for decades (reciprocal altruism) which seems to interface with the spiritual drive via religion (in deep shit in western countries) but the person/group interface is the gut of the nexus.

        That's a triad (p/g, slash symbol=function) btw – Zuck, as avatar of jewish capitalism, may be on a steep learning curve…

  4. Dennis Frank 4

    So here's what our future hinges on:

    the country’s infrastructure deficit has been valued at $210b by Treasury – an ocean-sized gulf that will take more than five years to fix. It would be more like 15 years if Labour’s promised pace continues.

    The crown jewels of Labour’s infrastructure plan are a list of 14 transport projects, along with continuity for projects in a state of existential uncertainty like Auckland’s light rail.

    Roads like State Highway One from Auckland to Whangārei and from Cambridge to Piarere are on the list, as well as a second Mount Victoria Tunnel and rapid transit lines to Auckland’s rapidly developing northwest.

    Labour has spent $45 billion on infrastructure over the past five years and put $3.6b aside for the Climate Emergency Response Fund.

    So Labour in this term has spent enough to solve a quarter of the problem. That's better than a kick in the head, but probably a performance worth 6/10.

    Christopher Luxon has described the solution as “getting the economics right and having regulation that is fit for purpose” – what that means is a fast-tracking to the consents process, modelled on fast-tracking used under Covid-19. Meanwhile, National would require councils to immediately consent enough land capacity for 30 years’ worth of housing growth.

    So import so many foreigners that the country's infrastructure gets even less viable in the future, a performance worth 0/10.

    The Green Party’s approach to infrastructure focuses on equitable public transport and climate adaptation.

    Sensibly resilient: 8/10

    • Incognito 4.1

      Again, you try to re-write somebody else’s article to suit your own narrative, without making it clear to the unsuspecting reader, which is both intellectually dishonest and lazy.

      For example, this is how the original authentic text goes:

      Labour has spent $45 billion on infrastructure over the past five years and put $3.6b aside for the Climate Emergency Response Fund.

      Its campaign has promised to extend that even further, committing $71b over the next five years into infrastructure, schools, hospitals and public housing.

      Finance Minister Grant Robertson called this “the long-term nation-building a responsible government must do” when he announced it at Budget 2023. [my italics]

      However, the country’s infrastructure deficit has been valued at $210b [et cetera]

      I’m getting tired of your slippery behaviour.

  5. Tony Veitch 5

    An open letter from Gerald Otto to Christopher Luxon – containing some pertinent truths which should be more wide broadcast!

    • ianmac 5.1

      So powerful Tony. Thanks. What would happen if Gerald's letter was published as an opinion piece in the Herald or Stuff? He sums up the reality so well.

      Some wanted change for changes sake to settle some grudge they had with the pandemic response, but let's be clear about one thing.

      You've lost count because you were never counting and you are terrible with numbers. So terrible, you've no idea how bad Nicola looks every time she waves a bit of paper around and says that's our modelling on a single line at the bottom of the page.

      It's embarrassing and Jack pointed and laughed out loud.

    • yesLove reading Nick Rockel. He makes good points in an interesting way. Gerald Otto tells it how it is. On point.

    • National: 39.1 percent, down 1.8 points (49 seats)
    • Labour: 26.5 percent, down 0.3 points (33 seats)
    • Greens: 14.2 percent, up 1.9 points (18 seats)
    • ACT: 8.8 percent, down 1.3 points (11 seats)
    • NZ First: 5.2 percent, up 0.6 points (6 seats)
    • Te Pāti Māori: 2.2 percent, down 0.9 points (3 seats)
    • TOP: 1.9 percent, up 1.2 points
    • New Conservatives: 1.1 percent

    Latest Newshub poll last night. It's Left 42.9 Right 47.9 if NZF fail to reach the 5% threshold. Just five points in it and all to play for. I don't believe that TPM are on only 2.2%.

    The Greens are on a roll and ACT are in freefall. A friend of mine, a regular Labour voter, told me yesterday she would vote Green this time due to their Wealth Tax policy. Meanwhile yet another ACT candidate resigned in disgrace yesterday after making homophobic media posts and internal fighting within the party is flaring up.

    • Mike the Lefty 6.1

      You can add that the Greens consistently under poll, that is they get more votes on the day than expected, and they traditionally score well with ex-patriot voters overseas.

      I was proud of my daughter because she told me that she and all her overseas based friends were all voting Green because "they are the only ones really serious about climate change".

      Not proud because she supports The Greens, proud because she is intelligent enough to look past the gold-plated promises and look to the future.

      • Bearded Git 6.1.1

        Mike: Yes late overseas votes may decide the election. NZF could be on 5.1 on election night and 4.9 after late votes are included. The Greens often pick up a seat as you say.

    • weka 6.2

      If NZF drop to say 4.8%, it becomes a 3 MP difference. How many votes is that?

      link to calculations

  6. tsmithfield 7

    My thoughts on the announced "Minister of Just Transitions" announced the other day.

    I think this title is very ambiguous. Firstly, the word "Just" could mean either "only" or "equitable". Secondly, the first thought that came to mind when I heard the word "Transitions" was that it was something to do with gender identity, since that topic has been in the public debate a lot lately.

    Reading further into the announcement, it appears to be to do with reducing emissions, and adapting to climate change and ensuring that the poor are not impacted unfairly in the process. From what I can see, it looks like a geeky, pc term for this role that is used internationally.

    But, that definition seems to be already covered within the scope of James Shaw's Minister of Climate Change role. Minister of Climate Change is a much better name anyway, I think. Because it is very clear and explicit what it is about.

    But the fact that the new title seems both ambiguous and appears to be highly pc geek speak seems only to reinforce the picture that opposition parties are trying to paint of Labour being pc and out of touch. It also seems that Labour assumes that people in the electorate are familiar already with this term (I wasn’t) and therefore should automatically know what it is all about. So, it comes across to me as a bit arrogant, and implying that people are stupid if they don’t get it.

    So, I am left scratching my head about why such a title would be chosen for the role.

    • Drowsy M. Kram 7.1

      So the Labour Party's promise of a "Minister for Just Transitions" comes across to you as "a bit arrogant, and implying that people are stupid if they don’t get it." Intriguing.

      How does the Nat's would-be Minister of Finance's refusal to show her working for the projected revenue from their much-touted foreign buyer tax come across to you? A bit arrogant, and implying that people are stupid if they don't get it?

      Willux can't show their working – you know why. It's a major concern, don't you think?

      A major concern

      Why was Max Rashbrooke’s article on the election (Roll up for this election’s beneficiary disappearing act, September 23) not front page news? I was shocked to find more than 350,000 New Zealanders are likely to find their benefits will be cut under some of the political parties if they win the election.

      I am fortunate not to belong to this group but as a New Zealander, I want all of us to be able to feed our children and live in reasonable comfort. I see from the article that the number of children who live in households where food runs short, for instance, has fallen from 20% in 2019 to 13% today.

      We should be continuing to pay beneficiaries enough so that percentage continues to fall, not increase. Where has our kindness and care to all our fellow New Zealanders gone? Surely the effect of the election on our poorest New Zealanders should be a concern to us all.

      • tsmithfield 7.1.1

        What more do you want exactly. They have provided the number of houses required to sell at above the threshold price to achieve the tax objective. So, the numbers are out there so far as I can see. The biggest area of contention is whether the numbers are realistic or not. And, there is obviously enough given for people to debate that point.

        • Drowsy M. Kram

          What more do you want exactly.

          Honesty. Economists say Willux's numbers have no basis in reality – can’t trust ’em.

          'Beyond comprehension': Economists lay into National's foreign tax plan [14 Sept 2023]
          Reddell told the New Zealand Herald it was "almost beyond comprehension how you can get to a number as high as they [National] do".

          I want to see the advice/analysis that shows their "number of houses required" is realistic. Either Willis and Luxon have been scammed, or they are scamming the voters.
          And why on earth do the Nats think that wealthy foreigners buying up NZ properties will be good for Kiwis anyway? Which Kiwis exactly?

          • Disinformation
            Information that is false and deliberately created to harm a person, social group, organization or country.
          • Misinformation
            Information that is false, but not created with the intention of causing harm.
          • Malinformation
            Information that is based on real facts, but manipulated to inflict harm on a person, organization or country.

          • tsmithfield

            I posted a link to an article in GD a week or so back of a stuff article I think of one economist who was basing his projected sales on last-years sales, at a time when the property market was in a major slump. If that is typical of the quality of analysis from economists, then the problem may be with them.

            I think projections should be based on sales volumes prior to Covid and the foreign buyer ban.

            According to Megan Woods, 4120 homes per year were sold to foreigners pa in previous years.

            Allowing for a lot of house inflation since then, it might not be unreasonable to project 1700 houses reaching the threshold for the tax.

            In the end, it is all just projections and assumptions to justify any of the promises political parties make. Labour seems to be splashing the cash with their promises like we have an endless money bucket. So, it would be interesting to see the basis of how they propose to pay for all that.

            • Drowsy M. Kram

              Labour’s housing spokesperson Megan Woods said that before the foreign buyer ban in 2018, an average of 4120 homes a year were sold to foreign buyers.

              National’s plan assumes 48.5% of those homes would be sold for over $2m , despite homes of that value being only 5% of the market,” Woods said.

              National has been approached about its policy’s tax-take projections.

              More pro-Nat scamming – disappointing.

              And why on earth do the Nats think that wealthy foreigners buying up NZ properties wouldl be good for Kiwis anyway? Which Kiwis? Exactly!

              • tsmithfield

                That is where Woods isn't particularly clear. Does she mean 5% of the whole housing market, or 5% of the houses sold to foreigners? Because it makes a big difference.

                And, if she was referring to the percentage of houses back in 2018 above that threshold, then house price inflation definitely hasn't been factored into her comment.

                Take a look at a histogram. Often it doesn't take that much movement in any factor to shift it from the extremes to more towards the centre.

    • AB 7.2

      The notion of a "just transition" from a high-emissions economy to a carbon neutral or carbon negative one has been around for ages. Bernie Sanders was banging on about it every day in the 2016 race. Like Luxo, Bernie stuck to his lines – but Bernie's lines actually had intellectual and moral content. (sigh – cést la vie)

      The name is simply a recognition that economic and social change on this scale cannot be left to the market – because if you do that it results in both undeserved suffering and undeserved accumulations of wealth. And probably inferior outcomes as well. A responsible government (i.e. a non-NACT one) actually knows that unless you address the very legitimate short-term fears people have for their livelihoods, they will be frightened off doing anything significant about climate change.

      • tsmithfield 7.2.1

        Yes, I do understand this. I think the main issue is that you shouldn't have to go into a detailed explanation for people to understand what the name means. The name itself should be self explanatory.

        • gsays

          At the heart of it, it's just another announcement, not worth the paper it's printed on.

          I forget which one of Hipkin's promises it was, maybe the dental one, but part of it was funded by taking from the CC fighting fund.

          All the neo-lib parties are paying lip service to CC.

  7. Mac1 8

    “When in Motueka shopping… a shop owner told me that his grandson has two kids in his class whom identify as cats and have water bowls on their desks,” one correspondent wrote.

    2 classmates say they are cats to a grandson who tells his grandparent shop-owner who tells shopper in Motueka who writes a letter which is reported in the Nelson Mail.

    Why 'hearsay' evidence is the stuff of gossips, social media reckoners, conspiracy theorists and some political candidates!

    • Peter 8.1

      It's a story about nuttery. It's a story about misinformation. It's a story involving Sue Grey. It's a story about sad cases of deluded, crazy people having their madness publicised.

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 8.1.1

        Sue Grey. Of the Liz Gunn variety of unbalance. It is sad…and you are so right about their media showing..I would think rational people just shake their heads. In disbelief !

        I did think the Principals of the schools concerned…were great in response : )

    • joe90 8.2

      Schools may well need litter boxes should Grey's mob ever have a say in firearms policy.

      Will you reintroduce Semi Automatic firearms.

      • We would reintroduce non sporting 5 shot firearms for hunting and sport. The reintroduction non sporting semi auto type rifles with accessories would come under stricter licensing endorsements and safety criteria. Similar to the requirements of owning pistols in this country. An E class licence with added security and restrictions.
      • Non-sporting firearms (including vintage and collectors’ firearms) should also be allowed. A C licence endorsements with extra precautions would apply that would also cover the Film industry requirements.

      Parents with students in Jeffco Public Schools may have seen some interesting items on their back-to-school shopping lists this year, including buckets and kitty litter.

      That’s because more teachers are opting to include “go buckets” in their classroom, to be used by students as toilets during prolonged lockdowns.

      • lprent 8.2.1

        non sporting 5 shot firearms

        Simple enough to bring in larger magazines. Hell it isn't even that hard to manufacture your own magazines. And that is before you consider the possibilities of 3d printing with metal or plastic.

        Basically a magazine is a container for rounds with a spring mechanism and a latching system. To think that you can limit by rounds in a magazine is the ravings of an idiot who doesn’t understand what they are and how they could be adapted.

        Besides it isn't the magazine size that is the issue. That is a just a rhetorical fig leaf for the stupid and those who haven’t used firearms a lot. For one reason or another, I have been.

        It is the semi-automatic mechanism, barrel length, the ease of changing magazines and how fast you can spray bullets at a that is the issue. The problem is that semiautomatic weapons are designed primarily for one and only thing – warfare against humans. If a non-professional hunter needs a semi-automatic weapon to make a kill, then they shouldn't be hunting because they are incompetent at using a weapon and evidently too lazy to learn how to shoot well.

        The only professional hunters we have in NZ are those keeping down our populations of rabbits, possums, and other such. Generally their role has steadily been superseded by the use of poisons and increasingly better fences in reserves.

        • joe90

          The only professional hunters we have in NZ are those keeping down our populations of rabbits, possums, and other such.

          And most are using pre-charged pneumatics with large capacity magazines.

    • AB 8.3

      Yeah. I find it a fascinating myth. It's invented by people who make that argument that if you can be (say) born female and think you are really a man, then you can theoretically think you are anything at all – a cat, a beetle, a cloud, a planet.

      But people don't do that. Some things are literally unthinkable, while others are not. There are boundaries to what we can think and presumably they come from our biology as homo sapiens. Our cognitive apparatus is therefore as biological as any other part of us – including, importantly for this debate, our reproductive systems.

  8. Mike the Lefty 9

    There is a curious indifference to last night's poll which showed NZ First in the kingmaker position (again).

    It also seems that some ACT supporters are now deserting the ship and either heading back to National or crossing to NZ First.

    The campaign thus far is quite startling by contrast between the attitudes of the left and right. The parties of the left – Labour, Greens, Te Pati Maori – have looked like a unified block focussed on government, whilst still maintaining their individualities. On the other side the parties of the right seem to be barely on speaking terms. Each of them is having to weed out the conspiracy theorists and nut jobs that are proving so embarrassing to their campaigns.

    I hope New Zealanders will wake up to what the reality of the Coalition of Division has in store for us or whether the "anything but Labour" mentality rules above all else.

    • Dennis Frank 9.1

      Coalition of Division

      Coalition of Crap sounds better but I bet Hipkins isn't man enough to use it!

      • Mac1 9.1.1

        The use of 'crap' defines a real man?

        'Coalition of Division' works very well. It has assonance and alliteration and secondly attacks both the divisive and divided nature of the coalition by using the very wording of the hoardings of its constituents.

        Indeed, the very divisive nature of their policies which reflect the politics of fear, division and hatred is what I am most concerned with should that coalition come about- poor government, policies, outcomes, consequences for us all.

        Contrast all that with the inclusiveness of the Labour hoarding slogan, 'In it for you.'

        • Dennis Frank

          In it for you

          My first reaction was that Labour has only been in it for me when Kirk sent the frigate to Mururoa & Lange went antinuclear. I do still credit Jacinda for working with James & the Greens though, gotta be fair.

          I suspect Luxon will have to grow a spine. If he can't corral them in the next couple of weeks, he'll seem a wimp in public. Could be fatal.

        • Barfly

          "The use of 'crap' defines a real man?"

          Certainly not a hill to die on but the use of 'blunt speak' can resonate with a hell of a lot of people IMO.

          • logie97

            Yes – Blunt and concise speak works.

            Remember the "Decent Ordinary Bloke" from Muldoon. He captured the heart of New Zealand – it covered a multitude of opinions.

      • Not man enough. That is poor Dennis. Chris Hipkins does not have to prove anything to you or others regarding his staunchness.

        • Dennis Frank

          You're right, he doesn't have to. Depends if he wants to win back the floating voters who have abandoned Labour or not. Dominant male stances may not be trendy but they work via tacit psychology since they are part of the evolutionary wiring of the species. That stuff is crucial for male leadership.

          I learnt it intuitively back when I observed Rowling in disbelief: presenting as a cross between a hamster & a sparrow. Have in recent years learnt about biological signalling from books on evolutionary psychology…

        • Belladonna

          Hipkins popularity dropping like a stone – even with the lacklustre Luxon as the opponent (19% to 24%)

          It's been a long time since a sitting PM was out-pointed by a leader of the opposition. Even the highly popular Ardern didn't manage it against the personality-challenged Bill English (although, to be fair, she might well have done so with a bit more run up time)
          I think we'd have to go back to 2008 – when the popular Key out-pointed Clark – to find an example (although that was 30s and 40s rather than the teens and 20s we're seeing with the current contenders)

          • Dennis Frank

            Check him out in the debate tomorrow night on 3 to see if he listens to all the Labour advisors telling him to go mongrel (just kidding). Gower is moderator. Will he show up in jackboots with horse-whip??

  9. Kay 10

    Quell surprise.

    All I can say is, at least they are honest and upfront about their intentions, and beneficiaries know full well in advance where they stand. Unlike with Labour, who have unfortunately had a history now since the 1990s of giving out signals they are on our side, only to either throw us under the bus completely (2000s), or play their games of the last few years of pretending to be kind but ignoring the Welfare working group report and doing bugger all, yet at the same time crowing about how much they've done.

    • Ad 10.1

      We've been at 3.4-3.6% unemployed and our under-utilised is down to about 300,000 people.

      From experience trying to hire people, this means those left are going to need more and more flexibility and support services and $$ to get them to work even part time.

      Would hate to see beneficiaries punished when it's clear those on benefits really need societal support not punishment.

      • bwaghorn 10.1.1

        Just saw luxon on te news 1, saying well kick benifits because we care,!!

        Ugly man

        Caught a glimpse of willis on last night’s debate saying they want people to be able to work more hours,

        The other day radeymane was mortified that taihape mc ds was only open 9 hours a day,
        The nats want there slaves whipped harder.

    • Anne 10.2

      …giving out signals they are on our side, only to either throw us under the bus completely (2000s), or play their games of the last few years of pretending to be kind but ignoring the Welfare working group report and doing bugger all,…

      Since Labour has done nothing of the sort – and since you have ignored the continuing years of extended global pandemic related economic and social interruptions… not to mention the big improvements they have made and plan to build on in the the next parliamentary term (should they be so lucky) – I think most of us will consign your prognosis to the nearest waste paper basket.

      • Kay 10.2.1

        Anne, we will have to beg to differ on this one. I'm not going to ask about your personal experiences with the welfare system because that's not my business. But I've unfortunately been dealing with them since 1990 so have a pretty good idea. And yes, I'm very aware there's been a pandemic going on.

        Life for us is infinitely better under a centre-left government, but Labour is NOT our friend. The rhetoric does not match the reality. Pandemic or not, there were reforms that could've easily been made that didn't even involve money, or much of it. The fact of the matter is, they're not interested in welfare reform, just glacial, incremental changes. So they don't scare their middle-class voters.

        Any improvements have been incredibly small, and financially inconsequencial to many of us (eg most increases meant clawbacks from supplements, so practically no one got the full increases, but the Government wasn't shouting that from the rooftops, were they?))

    • At least they are honest and upfront . What a crock. They are the most nasty exaggerating austerity driven fools Kay.
      Are you better off now than in 2016/17? Tell us what is so bad that wasn't put in place, granted slowly because of 6 unplanned serious calamities during the last 6 years? I agree you obviously need more help than what was provided, but do you really believe it is all “lip service”. That is a stretch.

      • Kay 10.3.1

        Actually Patricia, I am worse off financially than I was in 2016/17. Between the clawbacks to the supplements that go with core benefit increases, the free prescriptions cancelled out by losing it on disability allowance (otherwise a completely sensible policy), and skyrocketing rent, like most of us I've gone backwards in real terms, just like every year, under every government. Oh, and I STILL have to remain single because they are persisting with the 'relationship rule' which is apparently just too hard to change, ie they don't want to. So we continue to be punished for having the audacity to be disabled. Can't blame natural disasters for that one.

        I acknowledge the positives like the winter energy payment, although that surely is an indication that benefits/pension isn't high enough to cover the power bill? And half price bus fares, about time.

        My issue with Labour is really quite simple. National make it perfectly clear what their intentions are, and they carry through with those promises. Labour talk big (fix child poverty, biggest hike to benefits in forever, etc etc) and try to convince the general public how kind they are, but the rhetoric does NOT equal the reality.

        I am also not overly impressed with just how hard it's become to deal with WINZ, including little things with their IT system that could be easily fixed, but they just refuse to do it. If they insist on making everything online, they can bloody well let us do things online!

        • SPC

          Disability support should be at the super rate because it is long term.

          And yes, there needs to be an exception for those on disability, they should continue to receive support if they have a working partner – at the JS level.

          Greens policy atm is otherwise

          reforming ACC into a single system for all health and disability-related income support. (3.4)

          Ensure that all disabled people are housed in safe, accessible, affordable housing in the community of our choice (…). (5.10)

          5.10.1. Enshrining the right for all New Zealanders to housing in legislation and policy in line with the UNCRPD and NZ Disability Strategy, requiring the Government to ensure everyone is housed in safe, healthy, accessible, affordable housing, and requiring that disabled people can choose where and with whom they live ;
          5.10.2. Providing a housing-first approach with wrap-around services and support for people who have both housing needs and other complex needs;

          5.10.3. Adopting a public housing framework which ensures all new public housing meets universal design and accessibility standards which will particularly benefit disabled people, and existing public housing will be retrofitted to meet universal design standards over an agreed timeframe;

          5.10.4. Ensuring processes for housing modifications are timely, straightforward and transparent with eligibility and funding should be revised based on need, not arbitrary criteria;
          5.10.5. Providing disabled people with choices equal to others about where and with whom they live and the support they receive. This should include: the need for support to transition from residential services to living in the community; and modification funding for people living on papakāinga;

          5.10.6. Ensure the safety of disabled people in all new and existing housing, including processes so that those who cannot use stairs can evacuate in case of an emergency and visual fire alarms in all housing; and

          5.10.7. Acting to provide accessible housing, and mandating that disabled people must have an accessible house before ending a tenancy.

        • Barfly

          Kay I am getting the Supported Living Payment and I am financially far better off than at any point since becoming unable to work thanks to this Governments initiatives. I am sorry to learn that your circumstances are more difficult – I imagine that any system will have variations due to individual's being in different circumstances but that is little comfort for those in a diificult postion frown

          • Kay

            Barfly, yes it does come down to individual circumstances. I'd say mine was the skyrocketing rent, like many others. And it's pay what they want or be homeless, thanks to the 'market.' I do manage- just- but the only real major difference I've felt is not being treated like a criminal under a labour government.

    • SPC 10.4

      Have National costed their plans for W and I – because everything they mention costs more.

  10. weston 11

    Regardless of whether you consider Trudeau a slimy little weasel or a hero of liberal wokedumb it seems evident he runs a very united parliament !!

    What is the phenomena which explains how so many supposedly intelligent persons can rise to their feet as one and applaud in this case a literal Natzi ?

    On the occasion of Zelensky visiting Canada to gather yet more weapons pledges from wealthy countries its not supprising to see the leader of the particular country fawning all over him like a rash in fact i was supprised Trudeau didnt kiss him on the lips !!What did supprise/horrify me though was the total conformity of the members , united apparently in their collective ignorance and stupidity .

    Novara covers it reasonably

    • Ad 11.1

      Who exactly is a member of the NAZI Party?

    • Sanctuary 11.2

      "It is no surprise that Russian media has leapt on the footage as justification of the Ukrainian invasion" – Michael Walker in the very piece you link to.

      Fascist fanboi weston gives us all a fine example of quod erat demonstrandum!

      • Francesca 11.2.1

        Nevertheless Sanc .No matter who relays the message

        It was an embarrassing spectacle that no doubt would have passed unnoticed by Russophobic fanbois and historic illiterates , had not Jewish organisations( less sanguine about Nazis as others it seems) raised their disgust

    • Francesca 11.3

      And then , as one they all professed to have no idea that this Ukrainian ex Waffen SS soldier had been in a unit that killed Jews and acted as concentration camp guards

      He was being lauded for fighting Russians in WW2.Are they all so incredibly ignorant of history that they didn’t twig that meant he’d teamed up with the Nazis?
      Or are all Russians fair game now, and whoever killed them now or in the past gets a free pass on slaughtering Jews .Pretty warped morality here , but widespread in the west .Jewish people however have not been quite so forgetful or forgiving

      • Barfly 11.3.1

        Would you have liked the choices you had as a Ukrainian in WW2.

        Fight with the Nazi's against the Russians even though they have an entire organisation dedicated to killing Jews

        Or fight with the Russians against the Nazi's while knowing a decade before that Russians Murdered millions of your fellow Ukrainians in the Holodomor

        Oh for a world of simple, clear-cut choices eh?

        • Francesca

          Ukrainians did have a choice. Those to the west sided with the Nazis, and enthusiastically took up killing Poles, Jews, Roma and Russians out of nationalistic zeal .

          Those more to the East, with generational ties to Russia , were strongly anti fascist and sided with Russia .

          The Holodomor affected those Ukrainians too.

          So I guess the Jewish people just have to shut the fuck up because …..Russia,…. Holodomor ?

          • Barfly

            Millions of Ukranians were murdered by Russians in the Holodomor but to some people only Jewish victims of genocide matter and other races and religions that suffer genocide are less worthy because they are not Jewish

            IMO F*** that for a belief system.

            • Francesca

              I agree, 27 million Soviets , many of those Russian were killed in WW2, but no one gives a toss.

              • Belladonna

                Do you think that the fact that Russians were killed by Germans during WW2, somehow gives them a free pass to slaughter anyone they please?

                AFAICS, the 'Ukrainian' being honoured by the Canadians – has been living in Canada since the end of WW2 – so for more than 3/4 of his life.

                I don't see how anyone can regard him as an example of the "Nazification of Ukraine" (although, you might argue for the Nazification of Canada)

                • francesca

                  Well perhaps you might want to take that concept up with those who feel because of Holdomor , those Ukrainians who threw in their lot with the Nazis were perfectly justified in killing , in a particularly savage manner,Poles,Jews,Roma along with Russians.

                  Tit for tat so to speak, but I didn't realize the former were responsible for Holodomor

                  The thread has been about a Waffen Ss vet being given standing ovations in the Canadian parliament

                  If you think that's OK, fine, your business.

                  Poles and Jews don't share that view

                  • Belladonna

                    Did I say the actions of the Canadian parliament were fine?

                    Do I think it excuses Russia's actions now? Also no.

                    Do I think that this Canadian bloke (having spent more than 3/4 of his life in Canada, I think he qualifies) – has *anything* to do with 'Nazism' in Ukraine. Also no.

                    But it seems as though you'll grasp at any straw to defend your beloved mother Russia.

                • Francesca

                  Do I think that because 27 million Russians were killed in WW2 it gives them carte blanche to kill anyone they like ?

                  No. I have never said that and nether have the Russians .It seems to be in your head only

                  And the nice Ukrainian fellow you refer to who has apparently been washed of his sins by living in Canada all these years ,has celebrated his time in the Galicia Unit on social media several times .That is why he was being given accolades in the Canadian Parliament for heavens sake …he allied with the Nazis and fought the Russians.His unit was responsible for outright atrocities .What an earth do you think the complaints from Poland and Jewish organisations have been about?Why do you think there have been such profuse apologies .?Why does Poland want to extradite him ?

                  And Zelensky would have known exactly what this guy had been involved in during WW2 when the speaker of the house introduced him as having been in the First Ukrainian Division .Zelensky stood up and applauded anyway, even though his grandfather and great uncles had been killed in the holocaust.

              • Barfly

                In the murderous dictators all time championship

                1 Mao Zedong

                2 Stalin

                3 Hitler

                Honorable mention to king Leopold the second of Belgium coming in at number 6 with an estimated 10 million murdered in the Congo


        • joe90

          In this 2011 blog post Hunka describes the disappearance of friends and acquaintances to Siberia at the hands of the NKVD. He recounts that Germany was reputed to be a highly civilised country, and recalls how no one could understood why so many Jews seemed to be fleeing, and about hopes of aid from the Germans to rescue them from Moscow communism.

          In 1941 when the Nazis did occupy Ukraine, many Ukrainians greeted them as liberators although Hunka hints that German occupation wasn’t much of an improvement over Soviet occupation but at least fewer people seemed to be sent to Siberia.

          And when the threat of another invasion by the Red Army he and many others from his school enlisted with the Nazis to fight against the Soviets.


          • Francesca

            Yeah the Nazis weren’t so bad huh?

            And the Jews, Poles, Roma were just untermenschen anyway.

            Ukrainian guards at German concentration camps were the most brutal and most feared, But it was all worth it for you lot because they were killing Russians as well !

            Nice revisionism there

            Thank goodness the UN is not so relaxed about Ukrainian Nazis

            • Barfly

              Francesca it is my understanding that you are regarded as a russophile (with good reason) on this site. In my understanding Russians regard as Nazi's anyone who doesn't like Russians – indeed it seems that is their primary consideration and all other things are incidental.

              If you wish to try to define 'Nazi' as perhaps anti-semitic, authoritarian, genocidal, murderous, torturing, sadistic psychopaths with a penchant for invading other countries and trying to destroy other peoples identities, cultures and history all of these characteristics except for the anti-semitism are boldy on display with the Russian war of conquest on Ukraine.

              I conclude that there are indeed an awful lot of 'Nazis' in Ukraine it's just that 99% of them are fighting in the Russian Military

              • francesca

                Whatever gets you through the long dark night barfly.

              • PsyclingLeft.Always

                Hey I dont know if you read history….but the ss…waffen or otherwise..were murdering pieces of shit. Being a member of same..and seemingly not shy about it..would make me wonder about that guy.

                In Canada, Hunka remained active in Waffen SS veterans circles and maintained a blog on the Internet where, in the early 2010s, he compared veterans of SS Galizien to Jews



                Hundreds in Ukraine attend marches celebrating Nazi SS soldiers

                President Vlodymyr Zelensky, who is Jewish, condemned the embroidery marches, which had been conducted legally.

                “We categorically condemn any manifestation of propaganda of totalitarian regimes, in particular the National Socialist, and attempts to revise truth about World War II,” he said Friday in a statement.


                And you or anyone else..I am on record here on the stating Putin is an absolute murdering psychopath.

                I also support Vlodymyr Zelensky.

                • joe90


                  Poland and Ukraine are actively reconciling with their bloody past.

                  It's telling that neither former Soviet Republics nor Warsaw Pact countries are engaging in reconciliation talks with Russia.


                  • PsyclingLeft.Always

                    As I say I dont like Putin…at all. Murderer. Beslan School massacre the one that proved to me. Have to say the History of Eastern Europe (like the Worlds ) just a sad and terrible fact..that Civilians : Poles, Jews, Russians, Ukrainians, Women,Children and the vulnerable were/are always the victims of power.

                • Barfly

                  I consider myself to be fairly well read on WW2 history and frankly all this talk of Nazism in Ukraine in 2023 is just utter f***ing garbage.

                  I absolutely agree that the Nazi regime were collectively a bunch of deranged murdering lunatics…but they sure as hell weren't the only ones. That some people want to argue that what occurred in a World War 80 years ago is at all relevant to modern day Ukraine is bonkers.

                • Barfly

                  "Hundreds in Ukraine attend marches celebrating Nazi SS soldiers "

                  ffs I doubt anyone is carrying a picture of Hitler or Himmler – I suggest they may be celebrating Ukranians who fought against the Russians. Here’s a newsflash there was no Ukrainian military they could join in WW2 plus they could not join the German Army because they weren't German – literally the only way for a Ukrainian to fight Russians in WW2 was to join the Waffen SS and after millions of Ukrainians were murdered in the Holodomor by Russians I can easily imagine people who had to watch their relatives starve to death look for payback against their Russian overlords.

                  Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia also had many citizens join the Waffen SS – Now was this because they knew Hitler's 'agenda' and wanted in on some mass murder or was it because USSR had invaded all of them and moved in their usual style of killing the intelligentsia, community leaders and brutally repressing their people?

                  The war that was fought between USSR and Germany was fought between two horrendously evil totalitarian states – there were no 'White Knights' and to pretend there was is simply delusion IMO.

  11. bwaghorn 12

    What 2.1 million has?? Is these a full frontal attack on farming??

  12. Ed1 13

    The usenet group nz.general is something of a cess-pit on politics – a post this morning titled "New Service for those escaping overseas" gave the url:

    A later post identified that the website was registered to The New Zealand Taxpayer Union, with the contact email starting with jordan, and gave a url for the international tax competitive index as evidence that Australia does not give lower taxes than NZ.

    "Dirty Tricks" is still alive and well in the ACT/Nat world . . .

  13. logie97 14

    Law and Order.

    Has anyone asked Mitchell if he will pursue the white-collar criminals as strongly as he will the Gangs and violent offenders. I understand that a former prime minister has just been found guilty of a crime and is up for a $5 million penalty. (I understand however that any wise directorship takes out indemnity insurance to cover such eventualities.) So powerful frauds can do as they please.


    I believe Damien Grant recently opined that we should keep the taxman away from productive income. Couldn't agree more. So why is he keen to reduce Bright Line threshold back to 2 years. Investing in and profiteering from sales of existing homes is not productive money. In fact, perhaps all investment income should be taxed at a higher rate – Could probably be directed at the banks as well (particularly the foreign owned ones that operate here in NZ.)

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  • KARL DU FRESNE: Media and the new government
    Two articles by Karl du Fresne bring media coverage of the new government into considerations.  He writes –    Tuesday, November 28, 2023 The left-wing media needed a line of attack, and they found one The left-wing media pack wasted no time identifying the new government’s weakest point. Seething over ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago
  • PHILIP CRUMP:  Team of rivals – a CEO approach to government leadership
    The work begins Philip Crump wrote this article ahead of the new government being sworn in yesterday – Later today the new National-led coalition government will be sworn in, and the hard work begins. At the core of government will be three men – each a leader ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago
  • Black Friday
    As everyone who watches television or is on the mailing list for any of our major stores will confirm, “Black Friday” has become the longest running commercial extravaganza and celebration in our history. Although its origins are obscure (presumably dreamt up by American salesmen a few years ago), it has ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    3 days ago
  • In Defense of the Media.
    Yesterday the Ministers in the next government were sworn in by our Governor General. A day of tradition and ceremony, of decorum and respect. Usually.But yesterday Winston Peters, the incoming Deputy Prime Minister, and Foreign Minister, of our nation used it, as he did with the signing of the coalition ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Tuesday, Nov 28
    Nicola Willis’ first move was ‘spilling the tea’ on what she called the ‘sobering’ state of the nation’s books, but she had better be able to back that up in the HYEFU. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • PT use up but fare increases coming
    Yesterday Auckland Transport were celebrating, as the most recent Sunday was the busiest Sunday they’ve ever had. That’s a great outcome and I’m sure the ...
    3 days ago
  • The very opposite of social investment
    Nicola Willis (in blue) at the signing of the coalition agreement, before being sworn in as both Finance Minister and Social Investment Minister. National’s plan to unwind anti-smoking measures will benefit her in the first role, but how does it stack up from a social investment viewpoint? Photo: Lynn Grieveson ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Giving Tuesday
    For the first time "in history" we decided to jump on the "Giving Tuesday" bandwagon in order to make you aware of the options you have to contribute to our work! Projects supported by Skeptical Science Inc. Skeptical Science Skeptical Science is an all-volunteer organization but ...
    4 days ago
  • Let's open the books with Nicotine Willis
    Let’s say it’s 1984,and there's a dreary little nation at the bottom of the Pacific whose name rhymes with New Zealand,and they've just had an election.Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, will you look at the state of these books we’ve opened,cries the incoming government, will you look at all this mountain ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Stopping oil
    National is promising to bring back offshore oil and gas drilling. Naturally, the Greens have organised a petition campaign to try and stop them. You should sign it - every little bit helps, and as the struggle over mining conservation land showed, even National can be deterred if enough people ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Don’t accept Human Rights Commission reading of data on Treaty partnership – read the survey fin...
    Wellington is braced for a “massive impact’ from the new government’s cutting public service jobs, The Post somewhat grimly reported today. Expectations of an economic and social jolt are based on the National-Act coalition agreement to cut public service numbers in each government agency in a cost-trimming exercise  “informed by” head ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago
  • The stupidest of stupid reasons
    One of the threats in the National - ACT - NZ First coalition agreements was to extend the term of Parliament to four years, reducing our opportunities to throw a bad government out. The justification? Apparently, the government thinks "elections are expensive". This is the stupidest of stupid reasons for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A website bereft of buzz
    Buzz from the Beehive The new government was being  sworn in, at time of writing , and when Point of Order checked the Beehive website for the latest ministerial statements and re-visit some of the old ones we drew a blank. We found ….  Nowt. Nothing. Zilch. Not a ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago
  • MICHAEL BASSETT: A new Ministry – at last
    Michael Bassett writes – Like most people, I was getting heartily sick of all the time being wasted over the coalition negotiations. During the first three weeks Winston grinned like a Cheshire cat, certain he’d be needed; Chris Luxon wasted time in lifting the phone to Winston ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • Luxon's Breakfast.
    The Prime Minister elect had his silver fern badge on. He wore it to remind viewers he was supporting New Zealand, that was his team. Despite the fact it made him look like a concierge, or a welcomer in a Koru lounge. Anna Burns-Francis, the Breakfast presenter, asked if he ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • LINDSAY MITCHELL:  Oranga Tamariki faces major upheaval under coalition agreement
     Lindsay Mitchell writes – A hugely significant gain for ACT is somewhat camouflaged by legislative jargon. Under the heading ‘Oranga Tamariki’ ACT’s coalition agreement contains the following item:   Remove Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 According to Oranga Tamariki:     “Section ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • BRIAN EASTON:  Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record. Brian Easton writes – 1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • Cathrine Dyer's guide to watching COP 28 from the bottom of a warming planet
    Is COP28 largely smoke and mirrors and a plan so cunning, you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel? Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: COP28 kicks off on November 30 and up for negotiation are issues like the role of fossil fuels in the energy transition, contributions to ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Monday, Nov 27
    PM Elect Christopher Luxon was challenged this morning on whether he would sack Adrian Orr and Andrew Coster.TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am on Monday November 27, including:Signs councils are putting planning and capital spending on hold, given a lack of clear guidance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the new government’s policies of yesteryear
    This column expands on a Werewolf column published by Scoop on Friday Routinely, Winston Peters is described as the kingmaker who gets to decide when the centre right or the centre-left has a turn at running this country. He also plays a less heralded but equally important role as the ...
    4 days ago
  • The New Government’s Agreements
    Last Friday, almost six weeks after election day, National finally came to an agreement with ACT and NZ First to form a government. They also released the agreements between each party and looking through them, here are the things I thought were the most interesting (and often concerning) from the. ...
    4 days ago
  • How many smokers will die to fund the tax cuts?
    Maori and Pasifika smoking rates are already over twice the ‘all adult’ rate. Now the revenue that generates will be used to fund National’s tax cuts. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The devil is always in the detail and it emerged over the weekend from the guts of the policy agreements National ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • How the culture will change in the Beehive
    Perhaps the biggest change that will come to the Beehive as the new government settles in will be a fundamental culture change. The era of endless consultation will be over. This looks like a government that knows what it wants to do, and that means it knows what outcomes ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago
  • No More Winnie Blues.
    So what do you think of the coalition’s decision to cancel Smokefree measures intended to stop young people, including an over representation of Māori, from taking up smoking? Enabling them to use the tax revenue to give other people a tax cut?David Cormack summed it up well:It seems not only ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #47
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science  Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Nov 19, 2023 thru Sat, Nov 25, 2023.  Story of the Week World stands on frontline of disaster at Cop28, says UN climate chief  Exclusive: Simon Stiell says leaders must ‘stop ...
    5 days ago
  • Some of it is mad, some of it is bad and some of it is clearly the work of people who are dangerous ...
    On announcement morning my mate texted:Typical of this cut-price, fake-deal government to announce itself on Black Friday.What a deal. We lose Kim Hill, we gain an empty, jargonising prime minister, a belligerent conspiracist, and a heartless Ayn Rand fanboy. One door closes, another gets slammed repeatedly in your face.It seems pretty ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago
  • “Revolution” is the threat as the Māori Party smarts at coalition government’s Treaty directi...
    Buzz from the Beehive Having found no fresh announcements on the government’s official website, Point of Order turned today to Scoop’s Latest Parliament Headlines  for its buzz. This provided us with evidence that the Māori Party has been soured by the the coalition agreement announced yesterday by the new PM. “Soured” ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago
  • The Good, the Bad, and the even Worse.
    Yesterday the trio that will lead our country unveiled their vision for New Zealand.Seymour looking surprisingly statesmanlike, refusing to rise to barbs about his previous comments on Winston Peters. Almost as if they had just been slapstick for the crowd.Winston was mostly focussed on settling scores with the media, making ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago
  • When it Comes to Palestine – Free Speech is Under Threat
    Hi,Thanks for getting amongst Mister Organ on digital — thanks to you, we hit the #1 doc spot on iTunes this week. This response goes a long way to helping us break even.I feel good about that. Other things — not so much.New Zealand finally has a new government, and ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    6 days ago
  • Thank you Captain Luxon. Was that a landing, or were we shot down?
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Also in More Than A FeildingFriday The unboxing And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago
  • Cans of Worms.
    “And there’ll be no shortage of ‘events’ to test Luxon’s political skills. David Seymour wants a referendum on the Treaty. Winston wants a Royal Commission of Inquiry into Labour’s handling of the Covid crisis. Talk about cans of worms!”LAURIE AND LES were very fond of their local. It was nothing ...
    6 days ago
  • Disinformation campaigns are undermining democracy. Here’s how we can fight back
    This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article. Misinformation is debated everywhere and has justifiably sparked concerns. It can polarise the public, reduce health-protective behaviours such as mask wearing and vaccination, and erode trust in science. Much of misinformation is spread not ...
    6 days ago
  • Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record.1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is not even an entry in Wikipedia. ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    7 days ago
  • The New Government: 2023 Edition
    So New Zealand has a brand-spanking new right-wing government. Not just any new government either. A formal majority coalition, of the sort last seen in 1996-1998 (our governmental arrangements for the past quarter of a century have been varying flavours of minority coalition or single-party minority, with great emphasis ...
    7 days ago
  • The unboxing
    And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the tree with its gold ribbon but can turn out to be nothing more than a big box holding a voucher for socks, so it ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    7 days ago
  • A cruel, vicious, nasty government
    So, after weeks of negotiations, we finally have a government, with a three-party cabinet and a time-sharing deputy PM arrangement. Newsroom's Marc Daalder has put the various coalition documents online, and I've been reading through them. A few things stand out: Luxon doesn't want to do any work, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Hurrah – we have a new government (National, ACT and New Zealand First commit “to deliver for al...
    Buzz from the Beehive Sorry, there has been  no fresh news on the government’s official website since the caretaker trade minister’s press statement about the European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement. But the capital is abuzz with news – and media comment is quickly flowing – after ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 week ago
  • Christopher Luxon – NZ PM #42.
    Nothing says strong and stable like having your government announcement delayed by a day because one of your deputies wants to remind everyone, but mostly you, who wears the trousers. It was all a bit embarrassing yesterday with the parties descending on Wellington before pulling out of proceedings. There are ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • Coalition Government details policies & ministers
    Winston Peters will be Deputy PM for the first half of the Coalition Government’s three-year term, with David Seymour being Deputy PM for the second half. Photo montage by Lynn Grieveson for The KākāTL;DR: PM-Elect Christopher Luxon has announced the formation of a joint National-ACT-NZ First coalition Government with a ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • “Old Coat” by Peter, Paul & Mary.
     THERE ARE SOME SONGS that seem to come from a place that is at once in and out of the world. Written by men and women who, for a brief moment, are granted access to that strange, collective compendium of human experience that comes from, and belongs to, all the ...
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand welcomes European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement
    A significant milestone in ratifying the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) was reached last night, with 524 of the 705 member European Parliament voting in favour to approve the agreement. “I’m delighted to hear of the successful vote to approve the NZ-EU FTA in the European Parliament overnight. This is ...
    1 week ago
  • Further humanitarian support for Gaza, the West Bank and Israel
    The Government is contributing a further $5 million to support the response to urgent humanitarian needs in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, bringing New Zealand’s total contribution to the humanitarian response so far to $10 million. “New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of civilian life and the ...
    2 weeks ago

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