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Open Mike 30/03/2017

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  1. Tony Veitch (not the partner-bashing 3rd rate broadcaster 1

    The ultimate responsibility for the fiasco in Tirgiran lies with John Key!

    In a footnote at the end of Hager and Stephenson’s book ‘Hit and Run’:

    “In the case of the Tirgiran raid, it is likely Key could legitimately blame the SAS and Defence Force for not telling him everything. But he knew enough. When news stories appeared, one after another, with evidence that his decision had led to a disaster, the whole concept of accountability is that it was his duty to investigate and take action.”

    Further on: “He [Key] made the decision as prime minister to let the SAS go ahead with an attack in civilian villages. He appears not to have followed up properly when news of the tragedy emerged. He has shown a lack of interest and remorse.”

    Well, that’s what you can expect when you make a one-dimensional money-trader the leader of a democracy.

    • Adrian Thornton 1.1

      “Well, that’s what you can expect when you make a one-dimensional money-trader the leader of a democracy.”

      I agree with you here, however the bigger question is how has Labour become so discredited, so unloved by most NZ workers and the poor that it was completely and utterly powerless to combat a gambling addict like Key on any level? and still is….

      • Johan 1.1.1

        To Adrian Thornton:
        I don’t think that Labour has become so discredited, so unloved by most NZ workers and the poor. Typically, we in New Zealand vote political parties out!
        We are very kind people, we let a political party have-a-go and if they fuck-up, we vote them out.

        • Adrian Thornton 1.1.1.1

          Well if workers and the poor love Labour so much,as you assert, then why doesn’t that demographic vote vote for Labour in any kind of substantial numbers anymore?

          We are very kind people…what the hell does that mean, all counties in the world have kind people and people who are not kind, we are no better or worse than any other, so I fail to see how that statement has any relevance to this conversation.

          • Johan 1.1.1.1.1

            To Adrian Thornton:
            There are still many people who like Labour ( please let’s not use the words loved and unloved). The problem is that the leaders don’t always represent their party. eg. Douglas and Prebble. There is nothing wrong with Labour as a party, the problem lies with their representatives and how they project Labour Party philosophy.

        • One Two 1.1.1.2

          Do you understand the underlying issues if ‘voting out’ is ‘typical’

          It means the nation is without options and the those entities making up the government have become discredited in the eyes/mind of the electorate

          Your comment verifies what AT actually said

          NZLP is part of the problem and have little to no credibility..

          Gatekeepers!

      • Nic the NZer 1.1.2

        When Labour 4 started hacking into union laws and support they were badically gutting their voting base. At the time to maintain this group they needed to be developing a strategy to get similar support from the service industry which typically has lower union membership rates.

  2. AsleepWhileWalking 2

    This is were we’re heading (minus the paradise part). Here is DrBubb..

    http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/renters-paradise-half-of-large-us-cities-now-renter-households/

    The renterfication of the U.S.
    We have discussed the unrelenting trend of renter household formation for years largely because younger households are having a tougher time paying inflated prices for crap shacks. The flood of Millennials buying households just did not materialize. What did happen is that inventory remained tight, investors stepped in, foreign money hit, and a mania took place. Basically an artificially constrained market made crap shacks look attractive. Look, even old hardened bread must appear like paradise to the starving person. Still doesn’t change the fact that the bread is old and stale.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 2.1

      Many people including professional couple households are balking at paying ridiculous prices for dumpy old shacks just so they can say they own and “hey, now I can paint my wall magenta.”

  3. AsleepWhileWalking 3

    Sweden, despite the MSM attempt to shout down Trump is in fact a bit of a disaster.

    http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/sweden-forced-to-build-heavily-fortified-police-station-in-notorious-migrant-no-go-zone_03282017

    Sounds pretty terror like to me.

  4. Cinny 4

    The deputy prime minister faced a hostile crowd, fed-up with escalating crime, when she visited Thames.”

    The outgoing deputy PM is useless, she sympathised with those at the meeting but did not offer any help or solutions. No wonder she is not popular and is absent on the prefer PM polls.

    • Bearded Git 4.1

      Has the feeling of a change of regime in the air.

      • sabeasley@xtra.co.nz 4.1.1

        Could be – but look what they are asking for. More police, cracking down on the poor, criminal classes, the (mostly brown) people who are a threat to the rest of us decent people.
        There’s no desire to lift up rather than crack down, no asking of the ‘why’ questions. If that sort of voter is shifting they’re shifting to Winston, not to the social democratic left

        And of course Bubbles Bennett is just terminally incompetent and spouts constant drivel. And that makes people cross too.

  5. Adrian Thornton 5

    Here is a letter I think Andrew Little and all members and supporters of The NZ Labour Party should read and deeply consider….

    Franklin D. Roosevelt Letter Criticizing Democratic Party and Declining 1940 Nomination

    While of course much of the letter doesn’t relate to our political situation in NZ, some parts are sadly, very relevant.
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021796184

    Here is a taste of the tone of that letter,

    “The Republican Party has made its nominations this year at the dictation of those who, we all know, always place money ahead of human progress.
    The Democratic Convention, as appears clear from the events of today, is divided on this fundamental issue. Until the Democratic Party through this convention makes overwhelmingly clear its stand in favor of social progress and liberalism, and shakes off all the shackles of control fastened upon it by the forces of conservatism, reaction, and appeasement, it will not continue its march of victory. ”

    “It is best not to straddle ideals. ”

    “I wish to give the Democratic Party the opportunity to make its historic decision clearly and without equivocation. The party must go wholly one way or wholly the other. It cannot face in both directions at the same time. “

  6. amirite 6

    Tucked safely aside on the NewstalkZB website is this little bit of news – SIS refuses to confirm or deny surveillance of NZ reporters http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/sis-refuses-to-confirm-or-deny-surveillance-of-nz-reporters/

    The silence in the media is deafening.

    • jcuknz 6.1

      Why should they? They are a ‘secret service’
      [maybe sarcastic … I can see two sides to the question.]

  7. ianmac 7

    Wayne Mapp speaks out:
    “Operation Burnham
    by Wayne Mapp

    We can honour both our soldiers and the Afghanis, but only by finding out what really happened on that August night in 2010… though that may not require a full inquiry….
    …As much as anything this explains why I agreed to be interviewed by Jon Stephenson. He has spent more time in Afghanistan than any other New Zealand journalist. As with many independent journalists reporting from war zones this has not been without controversy.

    In August 2010 when Operation Burnham took place I was in Afghanistan on a visit arranged months before. I understood that the operation was among the most significant operations that New Zealand had undertaken in Afghanistan.

    I had been fully briefed on the plan on the morning before it took place. Based on the briefing, and on the advice of the military professionals, I recommended that it proceed.”

    http://www.pundit.co.nz/node/4104

  8. Penny Bright 8

    Lawyers defending clients from Afghanistan spell out how the NZDF information relied upon to defend SAS actions during Operation Burnham is ‘plainly incorrect and unreliable’.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1703/S00363/further-information-on-operation-burnham.htm

    “….8. To summarise, the NZDF map relied on by the NZDF in its recent media release and media conference concerning “Operation Burnham – Area of Operation” labels three villages.

    One of those villages does not exist while the other two have been incorrectly named and mis-identified by the NZDF as our clients’ villages.

    It is unclear to us whether the creation of this flawed document has been the result of misunderstanding, error or otherwise.

    However, it is plainly incorrect and unreliable.

    It must follow that so too are the conclusions which the NZDF seeks to draw from this map, namely that they have never operated in our clients’ villages.

    Indeed on our instructions, the latest NZDF statements are effectively an admission that they did so.

    9. We reiterate that the villages of Naik and Khak Khuday Dad were raided by international forces on 22 August 2010, and that six civilians – non-combatants – were killed and fifteen were seriously injured.

    Our clients therefore stand by their claim that no other military operations took place in the area on that date (or indeed on any other date around that time).

    It follows that it is clear, for all of the reasons set out in our 2correspondence of 28 March 2017, that the NZDF’s Operation Burnham took place in our clients’ villages of Naik and Khak Khuday Dad.

    10. The flawed NZDF map and its derived conclusions therefore reinforce our view that it is untenable for the NZDF to assert that Operation Burnham was a separate operation on the night of 22 August 2010 to the military operation that was carried out that same night in our clients’ villages – or indeed that no NZDF military operations occurred in relation to our clients’ villages.

    11. For the sake of our clients and the New Zealand public, it is imperative that the truth of what happened during the military operation of 22 August 2010 in Tirgiran be established.

    Allegations of serious human rights violations have been made against the NZDF Operation Burnham.

    These must be addressed now and at the outset by way of a formal inquiry as outlined in our letter of yesterday.

    12. As per our recent correspondence, we therefore repeat our request for an independent and full inquiry to commence into Operation Burnham.

    13. We await your response.
    Yours sincerely
    McLEOD & ASSOCIATES
    RICHARD McLEOD
    richard@mcleod.law.co.nz
    Cc:
    Hon. Gerry Brownlee
    Minister of Defence
    Parliament Buildings
    Wellington 6160
    New Zealand
    g.brownlee@ministers.govt.nz
    BY FAX: (04) 817 6502
    Cc:
    Wayne Eagleson
    Prime Minister’s Chief of Staff
    Parliament Buildings
    Wellington 6160
    New Zealand
    wayne.eagleson@parliament.govt.nz

  9. Penny Bright 9

    Read this?

    Eyes Wide Shut: The Government’s Guilty Secrets in Afghanistan

    by Jon Stephenson / 22 March, 2017

    http://admin.noted.co.nz/media/5713/eyes-wide-shut.jpg

  10. Muttonbird 10

    Oh crap. More alarming statistics indicating the worsening of social health in New Zealand.

    A record number of children have been taken into state care in the last year – a sign of serious underfunding as Child, Youth and Family (CYF) transitions into the new Ministry for Vulnerable Children, say the Greens.

    Figures released by CYF this week, show 5453 children were placed in the custody of the chief executive in the year to December 2016. It’s a leap of more than 300 on the 5139 children that were taken out of their families the year prior.

    “These figures show that we’re going the wrong way, that Child Youth and Family is having to pick up the pieces of a society that’s really struggling to get by and our children are suffering as a result,” Greens social development spokeswoman Jan Logie.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/90964435/record-numbers-of-children-in-the-care-of-cyf-as-govt-prepares-for-new-era-in-state-care

    No doubt our resident rwnjs will explain this away as kids not choosing their parents wisely, or something.

    • North 10.1

      Great last paragraph Muttonbird. Expect National Party government spokespersons increasingly to resemble the screechy/vacuous cackles types constantly deployed by the Republicans on US TV panels as apologists for the incompetent lout Trump. Like making the US presidency a laughing stock. Same as casting this nation’s child horror in blaming soundbites. Gee thanks Paula. Mum, onetime Social Welfare bludger, still troughing. Piece of crap.

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  • Specialist alcohol and drug addiction services strengthened across New Zealand
    •    New funding for four beds at Napier’s Springhill Residential Addiction Centre •    A new managed withdrawal home and community service, and peer support before and after residential care at Tairāwhiti DHB  •    A co-ordinated network of withdrawal management services throughout the South Island •    Peer support in Rotorua and ...
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  • Coastal Shipping Webinar
    Introduction, seafarers and POAL Good morning everyone, I am delighted to be online with you all today. Before I begin, I have to acknowledge that COVID-19 has disrupted the maritime sector on an unprecedented scale. The work of seafarers and the maritime industry is keeping many economies around the world ...
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  • Support for resilient rail connection to the West Coast
    A $13 million investment from Government will create jobs and improve the resilience of the rail connection between Christchurch and the West Coast, Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones and Regional Economic Development Under-Secretary Fletcher Tabuteau say. The funding comes from the tagged contingency set aside in Budget 2020 for infrastructure projects ...
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  • Major investment in safe drinking water
    The Government is investing $761 million to assist local government upgrade under-pressure water services across the country, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today.  The announcement was made at the site of the water bore that was found to be the source of the fatal ...
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  • Supporting stranded seasonal workers to keep working with more flexible options
    Recognised Seasonal Employers and migrant seasonal workers stranded in New Zealand will be able to continue working and supporting themselves with more flexible hours and roles, says Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway. The time-limited visa changes are: Stranded RSE workers will be able to work part-time (a minimum of 15 hours ...
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  • Relief for temporary migrants, employers and New Zealanders who need work
    The Government is making immediate short-term changes to visa settings to support temporary migrants already onshore in New Zealand and their employers, while also ensuring New Zealanders needing work are prioritised, Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. We are: Extending temporary work visas due to expire by the end of 2020 ...
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  • Freshwater commissioners and fast-track consenting convenor appointed
    Professor Peter Skelton CNZM has been appointed as Chief Freshwater Commissioner and Alternate Environment Court Judge Craig James Thompson as Deputy Chief Freshwater Commissioner for the newly established Freshwater Planning Process (FPP). Environment Minister David Parker today also announced the appointment of Chief Environment Court Judge Laurie Newhook as the ...
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  • Appointment of Judge of the High Court
    Auckland Queen’s Counsel Neil Campbell has been appointed a Judge of the High Court, Attorney‑General David Parker announced today. Justice Campbell graduated with a BCom and LLB (Hons) from the University of Auckland in 1992. He spent two years with Bell Gully Buddle Weir in Auckland before travelling to the United ...
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  • Feedback sought – Commercial Film and Video Production Facilities
    The Associate Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration, Poto Williams, is seeking feedback on a proposal to better enable the development and operation of commercial film and video facilities in Christchurch. The Proposal, developed by Regenerate Christchurch in response to a request from Christchurch City Council, asks that powers under section ...
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  • Govt launches bold primary sector plan to boost economic recovery
    The Government has launched a bold plan to boost primary sector export earnings by $44 billion over the next decade, while protecting the environment and growing jobs. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern today released Fit for a Better World – Accelerating our Economic Potential, a 10-year roadmap to unlock greater value ...
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  • Wellbeing of whanau at heart of new hub
    A new approach to prevent family harm that encourages greater collaboration across government and community groups is being celebrated at the opening of a new facility in Auckland. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern today opened the Multi-Disciplinary Family Harm Prevention Hub Te Taanga Manawa in Lambie Road in Manukau. The facility ...
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  • New Report on Auckland Port Relocation
    The Government has released a major new report on the options for relocating the Port of Auckland’s freight operations while deferring any decision on the issue. “That decision needs to be informed by policy analysis that is still to be completed. As a result it will be up to a ...
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  • Dual place names for Te Pātaka-o-Rākaihautū / Banks Peninsula features
    The history of Rāpaki is being restored through the inclusion of te reo in thirteen official place names on Te Pātaka-o-Rākaihautū / Banks Peninsula and around Lyttelton Harbour/Whakaraupō, the Minister for Land Information, Eugenie Sage, announced today.   “I am pleased to approve the proposals from Te Hapū o Ngāti ...
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  • Government and Air New Zealand agree to manage incoming bookings
    Bookings for seats on Air New Zealand flights into New Zealand will be managed in the short term to ensure the Government is able to safely place New Zealanders arriving home into a managed isolation or quarantine facility, says Housing Minister Megan Woods.  “Last week Air Commodore Darryn Webb and I ...
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  • $80 million for sport recovery at all levels
    Grant Robertson has today announced the first major release of funding from the $265 million Sport Recovery Package announced at Budget 2020.  “Today we’re setting out how $80 million will be invested, with $54 million of that over the 2020/2021 financial year for organisations from community level through to elite ...
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  • Keeping ACC levies steady until 2022
    The Government is maintaining current levy rates for the next 2 years, as part of a set of changes to help ease the financial pressures of COVID-19 providing certainty for businesses and New Zealanders, ACC Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. “New Zealanders and businesses are facing unprecedented financial pressures as a ...
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  • Extended loan scheme keeps business afloat
    Small businesses are getting greater certainty about access to finance with an extension to the interest-free cashflow loan scheme to the end of the year. The Small Business Cashflow Loan Scheme has already been extended once, to 24 July. Revenue and Small Business Minister Stuart Nash says it will be ...
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  • New investment creates over 2000 jobs to clean up waterways
    A package of 23 projects across the country will clean up waterways and deliver over 2000 jobs Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Environment Minister David Parker announced today. The $162 million dollar package will see 22 water clean-up projects put forward by local councils receiving $62 million and the Kaipara ...
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  • Speech to Labour Party Congress 2020
    Tena koutou katoa  Nga tangata whenua o tenei rohe o Pōneke, tena koutou Nau mai, haere mai ki te hui a tau mo te roopu reipa Ko tatou!  Ko to tatou mana!  Ko to tatou kaupapa kei te kokiri whakamua  Tena koutou, tena koutou, tena tatou katoa   Welcome. I ...
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  • PGF top-up for QE Health in Rotorua
    The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing $1.5 million to ensure QE Health in Rotorua can proceed with its world class health service and save 75 existing jobs, Under Secretary for Regional Economic Development, Fletcher Tabuteau announced today. The PGF funding announced today is in addition to the $8 million ...
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  • Building a more sustainable construction sector
    A new programme, which sets a firm course for the Building and Construction sector to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions, has been announced by the Minister for Building and Construction Jenny Salesa. “A significant amount of New Zealand’s carbon emissions come from the building and construction sector.  If we’re serious ...
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