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Open mike 31/10/2011

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98 comments on “Open mike 31/10/2011”

  1. I see that if John Key is returned to power he intends to ring fence the power company share proceeds into a special fund that will be used to obtain productive infrastructure.

    I have just the investment for him to consider.  This investment is in an area that is strategically vital to the country.  Its value will only increase as the price of oil continues its irreversible path higher.  The investment will save overseas funds, and local control will benefit local industry as well as Kiwis personally.

    The return on this investment is very good and within nine years it will pay for itself.  From then on all income will be pure profit.  And there is no purchase cost, no risk and miraculously the cost of privatizing the power companies will disappear.

    The investment is to retain the power companies in public ownership.  This should be a very easy decision to make.

    • I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning…..
       
      If he is so keen to have an infrastructure fund then why not ring fence the revenue from the assets now?
      The problem he has is that he has taken out of the revenue $2 billion in tax cuts for the rich and he has failed to energise the economy in such a way that he could use the revenue to pay for standard budget items.
      Throw in the fact that he is trapped by promising sales to the RWNJs in National, who want wholesale asset sales, and you find  he is supporting an unpopular policy.

    • I see that the ‘ring fencing’ is in areas that National hopes to introduce greater private sector involvement.

      Apparently, there will be $400m for internet network between schools. I wonder who will get the contract to put that in and ‘maintain’ the system (perhaps with a rent).

      Key needs to be pushed on how this ring fenced money will actually result in publicly owned and operated assets, rather than just public money being put into projects for private companies to make a profit.

      If he wants to assuage concerns that there will be an overall loss of public ownership of assets then, presumably, he’d be happy to give assurances that none of this saved money will end up in private pockets?

    • Draco T Bastard 1.3

      The PM’s admission of failure

      Sending kids to school seems like a good idea to me. Having hospitals where sick people might be made better – that seems like a reasonable service in a modern economy too.

      Turns out the prime minister thinks services like schools and hospitals are optional extras. Families will only get education and health care if we go along with his plans to flog the power companies and Air New Zealand.

      Perhaps Mr Key could tell us what previous governments had to sell to pay for them? He might find that back in the old days before we began “modernising and transforming”, whatever that means, we didn’t sell our assets to pay our grocery bills.

      How does the prime minister propose to pay for schools and hospitals once the money from asset sales runs out?

      Remember, people on the prime minister’s income have received tax cuts worth a thousand dollars a week since he took office, and now on his own admission we don’t have enough money.

      That seems to sum it up well enough.

    • Vicky32 1.4

      Brilliant MS! Too simple for Key, but…

  2. Carol 2

    Ha! Ha! Jonkey is afraid to debate with Phil Goff on RadioNZ Morning Report this morning…. he needs “more time to prepare”…. He’s had 3 years?!!! So Shonkey will just do an interview next week. SHAME… is this the most inadequate PM NZ has ever had?

    • Bok bok bok…..
      It’s one thing not to have your picture on a billboard but a whole other thing to run from facing up in debates.
      What is he afraid of? Slurring his words? Not shaking Goff’s hand properly? People might say bad things about him and not give him the validation he craves?
      This is definitely a harm minimisation approach.
       
      I think today, every time John Key is mentioned I will let loose a “bok bok bok”.
      (Yes, my life is that sad but I will make me feel good – until the sun goes over the yardarm).

    • Vicky32 2.2

      I was made up with Phil Goff, he was awesome… despite the hostility of the 3 interviewers…

  3. ianmac 3

    Very hard to understand Key’s reluctance to front – unless he knows that to front is to expose his shallowness.
    I wonder if TV1 tonight will prevent shouting over the top of other speakers is controlled by switching off microphones, as they do in the House?

    • Tigger 3.1

      More likely Key can be wired with an earpiece for TV. I know he couldn’t for radio, or at least that’s my limited tech understanding, happy to be corrected.

      • just saying 3.1.1

        If that’s the case, Goff could win a point by mentioning that unlike Key, he can run his own lines.

    • Jenny 3.2

      Key’s reluctance to front may be part of National Party elections strategy.

      If you’re too frightened to speak because people might think you’re an idiot, best to keep quiet rather than confirm it.

      MANA MEDIA RELEASE

      31 October 2011

      PAULA BENNETT ON THE RUN?

      Mana’s Waitakere candidate Sue Bradford says Paula Bennett appears to be running away from public debates with her.

      “I know of several organisations now who have tried to organise public debates between the local candidates, including Paula Bennett, but she keeps backing out of them.

      “Waitakere residents want to hear what Paula has to say, particularly on issues like welfare where she is pushing a very controversial agenda.

      Ms Bradford says the TV7 programme ‘Back Benches’ wanted to do a special programme with Labour candidate Carmel Sepuloni, herself and Paula Bennett last week.

      “However, it had to be cancelled because Bennett would not front,” she says

      Then last week the Minister of Social Development – and local member for Waitakere – pulled out of an NZEI West Auckland Election Forum due to be held 7.00pm this Tuesday 1 November, despite having told organisers that she would certainly attend.

      As soon as advertisements for the meeting appeared in local paper the Western Leader, Ms Bennett pulled out.

      ‘Nor have I seen Paula Bennett on the platform at other West Auckland candidate meetings – so far,’ says Ms Bradford.

      “The people of Waitakere deserve better. Paula will be implementing a big chunk of National’s War on the Poor if National returns to power.

      “If she is reelected as MP for Waitakere, the rest of the country are going to hold local voters here responsible for her actions.

      “It’s just not fair to them that she refuses to front in these circumstances.’

      Sue Bradford

      Mana candidate for Waitakere

      • vto 3.2.1

        Saisbury complaained of the same last week on closeup.

        Someone should maintain a register of each of his chickenshit no-shows. And publish it.

        book book book bok

      • Ianupnorth 3.2.2

        Had an appointment with Jenny Craig

  4. AAMC 4

    A brilliant look at the Anthropologist who was instrumental in the start of and the horizontal style of OWS…

    http://thebrowser.com/articles/david-graeber-anti-leader-occupy-wall-street

    And an interesting development, @occupymarines teaching tactics to protestors when faced with riot police..

    http://occupymarines.org/occupyomc-occupy-america/occupied-riot-resistance-orr/occupied-riot-resistance-1/

    • uke 4.1

      Thanks for the David Graeber article link – I will be looking out for his book “Debt: The first 5,000 years”.

  5. Colonial Viper 5

    The Decade Wall St Went Insane Pt 1

    And this is why the financial world is in the shit, and why worker pension funds are now under funded by hundreds of billions.

    These ‘traders’ decided to go to Las Vegas with other peoples’ money. This is John Key’s background.

    • In fact he was in that world right up until March 2001 and left after having helped Merrill Lynch set up their derivatives department and well after the repeal of the Glass Steagall and the housing bubble well on its way act mentioned in the second part of this nice little mini doco.

  6. just saying 6

    Sound track for a New Labour party ad featuring Phil, Trevor, the two Davids, Grant and Damien, full leathers, Harleys, high speed, an empty country road, and a town in the distance. Phil’s bike just out ahead and those pants are tiigght! Cut to shot of Key mincing in an all black Jersey……

  7. Kty 7

    The debate tonight at 7.00 on TV1 Should be good. Shonkey will not be able to hide behind his favourate game of blame shifting, and will have to be accountable, if he uses his normal method of debating, like he does in parlimentry question time he will only confirm that he and his mates are well and truly in the mire, and will have pressed the self destruct button.

  8. No Reason for Partial Privatization

    The National party would have us believe that without partial privatization of our power companies, we will not be able to fund new schools…

  9. Dv 9

    I like imperator fish take.
    Sell assets to pay for the schools leaky buildings. Who was it that changed the regs to allow leaky buildings?

  10. John Cleese had a problem. I have a similar sort of problem 🙂

    It”s just a fact of political life, the fruitier the loop the greater the media harvest.

    • Galeandra 10.1

      Not normal, PG, just stuffy. Face it, we’re part of yesterday’s generation. However, you do show occasional signs of fruitloopery, maybe because you’re tone deaf when it comes to yoof and their dis-ease with the sensible elderly types who’ve survived very nicely, thanks, on trying to keep the golden showers flowing. Only fruitloops jive to the band on the Titanic.

  11. Willie Maley 11

    Hooten just said on Nine to Noon that Key was mobbed in ChCh on Saturday, with people queuing for hours to have thier photo taken with him.
    Any truth in this? Or more deflecting BS from Hooten?

  12. joe90 12

    Peter Sinclair’s newest video looks at the fallout from UC Berkeley physicist Richard Muller’s research.

  13. Nationals Propaganda on Rena

    The NZ Herald has become a function of the current National government, providing spin to promote a regime of disinformation…

  14. Campbell Larsen 14

    The Sunday star times is running a 2011 elections banner across the top of political pages in National party blue complete with National party stars in the background.
    I think a complaint to the electoral commission is in order – the impartial colour for referencing the elections is the orange employed by the electoral commission itself.

    • Chris 14.1

      I haven’t seen the actual paper but going on your description and what they have as the banner on the stuff website isn’t that the NZ flag?

      • Campbell Larsen 14.1.1

        Same stars as the NZ flag, but no union jack – looks like a national party banner flapping in the wind with the ‘N’ obscured to me.
        Either way the dominant presence of a colour block and stylistic features that match the branding of one of our political parties creates an impression of dominance or authority and this in turn influences opinion.
        This is why we have election orange for the electoral commission – because their voice must not endorse a particular political party. The Sunday Star Times is supposed to adhere to similar principles and not resort to cheap psych tricks to big up their buddies.

  15. joe90 15

    This makes me angry, pricks.

    U.S. had advance warning of abuse at Afghan prisons.

    KABUL — Across the street from U.S. military headquarters in Kabul, shrouded from view by concrete walls, the Afghan intelligence agency runs a detention facility for up to 40 terrorism suspects that is known as Department 124. So much torture took place inside, one detainee told the United Nations, that it has earned another name: “People call it Hell.”

    But long before the world body publicly revealed “systematic torture” in Afghan intelligence agency detention centers, top officials from the State Department, CIA and U.S. military received multiple warnings about abuses at Department 124 and other Afghan facilities, according to Afghan and Western officials with knowledge of the situation.

    Despite the warnings, the United States continued to transfer detainees to Afghan intelligence service custody, the officials said. Even as other countries stopped handing over detainees to problematic facilities, the U.S. government did not.

    U.S. Special Operations troops delivered detainees to Department 124. CIA officials regularly visited the facility, which was rebuilt last year with American money, to interrogate high-level Taliban and al-Qaeda suspects, according to Afghan and Western officials familiar with the site. Afghan intelligence officials said Americans never participated in the torture but should have known about it.

    When the United Nations brought allegations of widespread detainee abuse on Aug. 30 to Gen. John Allen, the top U.S. military commander here, he took swift action ahead of the public release of the findings. Coalition troops stopped transferring detainees to Department 124 and 15 other police and intelligence agency prisons. They also hastily began a program to monitor those facilities and conduct human rights classes for interrogators.

  16. A remodeled parable:

    A young woman was about to finish her first year of university. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be leftish/socialist, and she was very much in favour of higher taxes to support more government programs – in other words, the redistribution of wealth.

    She was ashamed that her father was a business owner, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had attended, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harboured a selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

    One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs.

    The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth, and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing at university.

    Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 90% average, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many university friends because she spent all her time studying.

    Her father listened and then asked, “How is your friend doing?” She replied, “She is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 50% average. She is so popular on campus; university for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.”

    Her father asked his daughter, “Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 20% off your average and give it to your friend who only has 50%. That way you will both have a 70% average, and certainly that would be fair and equal.”
    The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That’s a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!”

    The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “welcome to socialist reality.”

    • Campbell Larsen 16.1

      You should stick with bland non committal sanctimonious pronouncements Pete – they really are your forte.

      • Pete George 16.1.1

        I’m not surprised you don’t want to get it. You know what? Troll attacks don’t bother me.

        • Campbell Larsen 16.1.1.1

          What is United Futures position on retaining interest free student loans Pete?

          • Pete George 16.1.1.1.1

            No policy so intent is to leave interest as is – and to have zero fees and abolish student allowances to stop taking and giving money-go-round and abuse by business people.

            Student loans still for living expenses, but they will be substantially reduced.

            http://www.unitedfuture.org.nz/tertiary-education-1/

            • Campbell Larsen 16.1.1.1.1.1

              No policy = UF will not oppose interest on student loans – and not only that wants to remove student allowances as well.

              Some friend to students you are – first saddling them with debt and then bleeding them dry with interest.

        • mickysavage 16.1.1.2

          Pete do you always substitute parable for serious thought?
           
          And why post something you borrowed off the sewer?
           
          Wouldn’t you rather talk about policies or the ills of the world or what we should do to make the world a better place?

    • Uturn 16.2

      Would you say the attitude displayed by your fictional student could be found in any political group or any group at all? What would it’s name be and what are its causes?

      Have you demonstrated your character to be a Socialist as you say, or have you discovered that your evidence points elsewhere.

      Are you suggesting that educated people cannot be socialists?

      Are you saying that older people in business cannot be socialists? Where is the cut off age?

      What makes a socialist, Pete? Where’s the specific turning point?

      What indicators are there that she was ashamed of her Father?

      If the Father was already intending to trick his daughter, was he really listening to her ideas?

      What is a good definition of listening, Pete?

      Why was the daughter “taken aback” at her Father asking about her grades? Did he not usually speak to her?

      Are you suggesting that the only route open to humans is to “selfishly take” what one thinks to be their own?

      Evolutionary Altruism, Pete. Discuss and offer alternatives.

      • Pete George 16.2.1

        Socialist idealism usually falls over in the face of real life.

        Apart from the common peril of power socialism never works due to inherent incentive lacking large scale laziness. Capitalism’s biggest problem is greed but that can be controlled if there is enough will.

        • Uturn 16.2.1.1

          Pete, please define:

          Socialism
          Real life
          Laziness
          modes of incentive
          will

          Please expand on your claim that greed can be effectively controlled. What methods exactly?

        • just saying 16.2.1.2

          So you’d be spending your twilight years staying in bed until noon and watching tele, were it not for the “incentive’ of a big fat politicians pay cheque for all this industrious campaigning, Pete? Not so much about a passionate desire to reeallllly represent people after all, Pete?

          I’m shocked, shocked!

        • KJT 16.2.1.3

          Capitalisms biggest failure is it has to be heavily socialistically regulated to work in real life.

          There. Fixed it for you! Again!

        • Ianupnorth 16.2.1.4

          Pete, many of us work very had for a wage that is far lower than we could command for less thrilling work in the private sector; your childish story is quite simply that, childish.
           
          Some of us actually do stuff that benefits others, not shareholders.

        • Puddleglum 16.2.1.5

          Here’s a ‘Epilogue’ to your morality tale, Pete George.

          And then she remembered. Her friend had just had her parents divorce after a long five years when her father was made redundant twice and her mother had been diagnosed with depression. On top of that the friend had had to take out a large student loan because her home was no longer a safe place for her.

          She turned to her father and said, “You’re just being heartless and taking no account of the circumstances that ordinary people have to deal with. That’s what makes you say such simplistic rubbish. Personally, I’d be happy to have my student fees go up if I knew that the University would provide more affordable, live-in accommodation, free health checks and the other supports to nurture those qualities that I see in my friend … and the reason I call her ‘friend’!

          You could learn a thing or two about reality, Dad. There’s still hope for you!!” 

        • KJT 16.2.1.6

          How does your laziness theory, explain that when the work was available, at a time when benefits were relatively a lot higher than now, the Prime Minister could say he knew every one of the unemployed by name.

    • joe90 16.3

      From that bastion of intelligent debate, conservapedia.

      Moron.

      • Uturn 16.3.1

        I like this one:

        “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”

        So now reading something makes you the thing described and understanding makes you anti? This could prove hilariously problematic.

    • KJT 16.4

      Like most right wing propaganda you forget the real story.

      At university it was the rich kids who were partying, infesting the ski-fields and having gap years.
      While investing their student allowance/loan. Their marks are generally not that good. But it doesn’t matter because they went to Kings with the right people.

      The kids with working class parents couldn’t afford to bag off and are in lectures every day after working a 10 hour shift at the supermarket.

      On average hard working business owners do not earn much more than wage earners.
      Dominance by big corporates of finance and markets ensures that.

      Most wealthy are people who do no work whatsoever while the accumulate more money, from pre-existing wealth, than they can ever spend in their lifetimes.
      Or business managers/directors who, in NZ anyway, have proved so incapable of actually running or starting a business they want to steal ours.

    • wtl 16.5

      So I take it from this ‘parable’ that you are against all forms of income redistribution?

      • Pete George 16.5.1

        Not at all, that’s a starnge conclusion.

        With money/tax/benefits ome redistribution is essential, it’s a matter of getting the right balance – and making everyone “equal” is not the right balance.

        Many people would work fine within socialism (I’m not particularly money driven), as many people work fine within capitalism. But significant numbers don’t.

        The commune experiments in the 70s often failed because a few hardworking idealists found couldn’t support (and eventually didn’t want to support) the number of freeloaders wanting an easy life for little input.

        • KJT 16.5.1.1

          Capitalism is failing now because we hard workers cannot support the financial system that is freeloading off our work.

          The system, that in the USA, now owes more money than US real productivity can repay in 1000 years.

          Actually, Anglo Saxon capitalism’s biggest mistake, IMHO, is that we let accountants off the stools in the back office and let them foster the delusion they can run anything.

          “Accountants know the cost of everything and the value of nothing”.

          Anyway. Who is arguing for making everyone’s income equal. I am not.

          However. There is no justification for someone earning 100’s of times more than someone else. No one works that much harder.

        • KJT 16.5.1.2

          Pete. If you are not money driven, why do you give so much support to those that are!

          • Pete George 16.5.1.2.1

            How much support do I give who KJT?

            Do you not support anyone who is driven to earn more?

            • KJT 16.5.1.2.1.1

              I applaud people who earn more from their own efforts and contribution to society.

              Unlike you, I do not support those who gain an income from society, out of all proportion to their contribution, simply because they have money capital. Or find ever more useless ways of increasing their share.

        • wtl 16.5.1.3

          It’s not a strange conclusion. The comment above suggests income redistribution can never work because it will merely be providing money to those who are lazy and not working hard enough. It doesn’t go into the complexities of the real life situation at all. Thus, it seems to me that you think that redistribution is a load of crock and can never work.

          If you post simplistic comments, expect simplistic conclusions.

          • Pete George 16.5.1.3.1

            I didn’t say anything like that.

            • Draco T Bastard 16.5.1.3.1.1

              Yes you did, right here. Or are you now going to deny that you posted that simplistic clap trap?

            • vto 16.5.1.3.1.2

              Pete George your parable is a pile of shit with virutally zero features that are comparable with what you are trying to compare it to.

              I had some time for your relatively shallow musings before but this has really taken that esteem down a peg or three. All those cliches about the quality of our politicians srping to mind again thanks to this shit.

              Good luck in the election – I suspect that even with all the luck in the world it wont be enough …

              simple is as simple does

        • Colonial Viper 16.5.1.4

          91% income tax rate over 25x the median wage.

          Land taxes and estate taxes on net property over $2M.

          FTT @ 0.1%.

          And a universal income for all NZ citizens.

    • Draco T Bastard 16.6

      Except that’s not socialist but normal RWNJ stupidity.

    • Redbaron77 16.7

      This story says much about your lack of understanding about Socialism and it’s not particularly original either. If you wish to run a critique on Socialism by all means go ahead, but please do some basic research first before commiting keyboard to screen.

    • Vicky32 16.8

      The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “welcome to socialist reality.”

      Sigh, I first read a version of that in the Libertarian rag that briefly existed in 1984! The old-fashioned language is a dead giveaway…

  17. aerobubble 17

    Fish evolve immunity to toxic sludge, or rather they woke up a dominent
    more costly gene put to sleep. So what would Brash had done? Well
    fish were hurting and so Brash would have thrown them a life line,
    kept fish from toxic sludge and so left them better able to survive
    in clean seas. Well that doesn’t sound like free market theory, that
    sounds more like national socialism, protectionism, Australian,
    British companies directly competing with NZ companies pay
    CGT, have to pay more to attract those who can deal with the
    complexity, and they also don’t have to pay workers as much
    because workers get the first 5,000 off excempt of tax, and
    workers don’t pay tax on fresh food. But Brash can’t understand
    it, or can MSM, how could food being less than sugary drinks
    actually help the economy avoid costs like diabeties, poverty,
    obsecity.

    Whehn the MSM give these reckless right wing idiots too much
    time, they manufacture consent for inane seat warmers of the
    right, they do our economy a deep disservice. I have a really
    dim view of Victoria University, their economic department
    cannot serious condone what Brash says in any shape or form.

  18. randal 18

    red herring pete geroge. all societys except eastern despotisms and out and out tyranny’s are a mixture of socilaism/ capitalism. they are not mirro images or each other and neither are they an either or proposition. the major problem with capitalism is that it alloows the accumulators of capital to keep increasing their wealth without actually doing anything. then the f*ckers begin to think they did it all themselves. worst of all are the accountants who just want everything because they are like that. i.e. too much is not enough.

  19. Ianupnorth 19

    Admins – please do a Big Bruv on pete!!

    • Don’t you like anyone encouraging discussion? Or do you want just want restricted discussionto suot your preferences.

      Plenty of jumping to conclusion about my intent, you don’t even know what I think about the parable. Attack first, don’t think later seems to be a common theme here.

      • KJT 19.1.1

        I like discussion. Just prefer the RWNJ’s would come up with some original thought for us to get our teeth into.

      • Draco T Bastard 19.1.2

        You don’t encourage discussion – you seem to do your damnedest to undermine it with you puerile non answers and assertions.

      • Ianupnorth 19.1.3

        Pete, you just talk shit mate!

      • Uturn 19.1.4

        Instead of saying what you think about the parable, you take 7 posts to tell us we don’t know what you think? You’re a troll and have entered my ignore list.

      • marty mars 19.1.5

        snot your preferences pete you give the average troll a bad name

      • Uturn 19.1.6

        Reading through a Kiwiblog thread on tax cuts for the rich offered by Labour, today, and I find this:

        Pete George (11,634) Says:
        October 31st, 2011 at 1:16 pm
        Mark’s parable is very good, but it doesn’t just apply to staunch right versus left, most of the centre would probably also acknowledge the message in that.

        A comment in reply to the same parable you posted here 10 mins afterwards. So that’s what’s you think of it. It’s “very good” and since you identify with the centre on yours and UF blog, you agree with it’s message. You’re a troll. You come here to troll.

      • Vicky32 19.1.7

        Please do not jump to the conclusion that I agree with you in any way but this Pete George – but it’s sadly true that people here are very good at attacking first, and not asking questions later…

  20. Ianupnorth 20

    Hot off the Herald website
    Govt does not convince business
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10762942

    … it also found that while 98.4 per cent of respondents believed it was important for the Government to have a co-ordinated plan of action that raised New Zealand’s economic performance, only 34.5 per cent thought it had one.
    Deloitte chief executive Murray Jack said it was “disturbing” that the No.1 issue emerging from the survey was the lack of a “clear, well understood economic plan”.

    also

    The survey also showed only 19 per cent of respondents thought the Government’s current infrastructure spending plans would deliver the best economic outcomes for New Zealand against 23.6 per cent who thought they wouldn’t. But significantly, more than half – 57.4 per cent – were unsure.
     

    and (saving the best till last)

    Labour deserved credit for “grasping the nettle” by saying it would raise the eligibility for NZ Super and Mr Jack said he was encouraged there was now more debate on the issue.
    However, he said Labour’s policy was flawed, partly as the changes did not take effect until the baby-boomer generation had retired.
    Labour at least recognised the link between KiwiSaver and NZ Superannuation, he said.

    So, the business community is getting word about the Nats!

  21. vto 21

    Solid rumour around the traps down these parts is that Brownlee is threatening the Christchurch City Council with an Ecan-style sacking post-election.

    He needs to be called on it. Pre-election. Perhaps during the debate tonight with Key.

    If he does go through with this threat I predict all hell will break loose and it will leave the protests around the Ecan sacking looking like a picnic in the park in comparison.

  22. outofbed 22

    I haven’t decided who to vote for yet Mana or the Greens
    depends if hone looks like getting in, amongst other things
    Order at Moment
    Greens
    Mana
    Labour

  23. 2011 Election Debate Fail

    Despite John Key refusing to be a part of the actual debate, I thought the Native Affairs election kick off on Maori television was very good. Overall it was well produced and insightful, making me hopeful that this years campaigning would be worth watching…

  24. 3News tonight, (Patrick Gower’s article for those who want to see the vision), Key and Goff shake hands. Goff is genuine and makes eye contact. Key ducks and dives and scurries away.
     
    Hhmmm…..telling.

  25. millsy 26

    Ooooooooohhhhh crrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaapppppppppp

    John Key’s announcing the welfare changes tomorrow.

    The ones that will probably see mothers and their babies out on the street.

  26. Draco T Bastard 27

    Recession – tick
    Wages decreasing in real terms – tick
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  • Govt to protect jobs and businesses with extra support
    In-principle decision to extend wage subsidy to support businesses and protect jobs Support will be nationwide in recognition of Auckland’s position in NZ economy and the impact of Level 2 Mortgage deferral scheme to be extended to support households The Government is taking action to support businesses and protect jobs ...
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  • National Does the Nation a Disservice
    Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters today called for National Party and Opposition leader Judith Collins to stop undermining democracy. “New Zealanders are sadly being fed a steady stream of misinformation about the pre-election period from the National Party,” said Mr Peters. “Its effect is to sow doubt about the legitimacy ...
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    2 days ago
  • Speech at the graduation of Wing 340
    Graduation of Wing 340 2pm, 13 August 2020, The Royal New Zealand Police College [CHECK AGAINST DELIVERY] Introduction Ladies and gentlemen, it is a privilege to be here today to celebrate the graduation of Wing 340. Let us begin by acknowledging the presence of Coalition Government colleague, Police Minister the ...
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  • More Police deployed for COVID efforts
    More Police are being deployed to the frontline to help manage the COVID response, after the graduation today of 56 new officers. “The ceremonies for the graduation of Wing 340 at the Royal New Zealand Police College were trimmed to take account of new Alert Level 2 restrictions in Wellington,” ...
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    2 days ago
  • Transitional housing provides much needed support for Taumarunui whānau
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    2 days ago
  • Government announces plan to tackle problem plastics and seven single-use plastic items
    Following the success of the phase out of single-use plastic shopping bags, the Government now has plans to phase out more single-use and problem plastics to reduce waste and protect the environment announced Associate Minister for the Environment Eugenie Sage. The proposals are to phase-out: some hard-to-recycle PVC and polystyrene ...
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    3 days ago
  • New opportunities for Kōpū marine facilities
    A commercial and industrial site in Thames-Coromandel will receive $8.2 million to revamp its marine-servicing infrastructure and create new economic development opportunities, Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones has announced. This project is being supported from the $3 billion ‘shovel ready’ fund set aside in Budget 2020 to kick-start the post COVID-19 ...
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    3 days ago
  • PM comments on Auckland COVID-19 case
    After 102 days we have our first cases of Covid-19 outside of a Managed Isolation or Quarantine facility in New Zealand. Shortly I will ask Dr Bloomfield to set out the details of the case. While we have all worked incredibly hard to prevent this scenario, we have also planned ...
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    3 days ago
  • Significant investment in Raukūmara Pae Maunga to prevent Raukūmara forest collapse
    An iwi-Crown approach programme to restore the Raukūmara forest on the East Coast of the North Island and boost employment opportunities for whānau, particularly rangatahi/young people, will receive $34 million funding, Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage has announced. “Raukūmara Pae Maunga is a partnership with Te Whānau-ā-Apanui, Ngāti Porou, and ...
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    4 days ago
  • New partnership central to delivering more Māori housing
    Government agencies and partners are working closer together to provide more Māori Housing through the Te MAIHI o te Whare Māori – the Māori and Iwi Housing Innovation Framework for Action (MAIHI). MAIHI is a kaupapa Māori approach that drives a system change to give effect and impact on Māori ...
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    4 days ago
  • Manawatū Gorge replacement highway drives forward
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    4 days ago
  • Pacific Ministers meet to discuss regional economic priorities
    The Pacific Islands Forum Economic Ministers Meeting (FEMM) begins today and will focus on the major economic and social impacts of COVID-19 on the Pacific.  FEMM is an important congregation of Economic Ministers and senior officials from around the region, and for the first time, the annual meeting will be ...
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    4 days ago
  • Formal apology and payment to George Nepata
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    4 days ago
  • Report into Iain Lees-Galloway’s expenditure
    A report undertaken by Ministerial Services into Iain Lees-Galloway’s ministerial expenditure has found no evidence of any inappropriate transactions or spending. Ministerial Services undertook a line by line review of all his expenditure, including staff and spouse expenses for the period 1 January 2019 to 30 June 2020.  “I commissioned ...
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  • Managed isolation charges to start 11 August
    Managed isolation charges for returnees will come into force from 12.01am Tuesday 11th August, after they passed their last cabinet milestone today, Housing Minister Megan Woods said. “The new charging system balances the rights of New Zealanders to return home and helps reduce pressure on the managed isolation and quarantine ...
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    5 days ago
  • Update on New Zealand and the Cook Islands travel bubble
    The Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern and the Prime Minister of the Cook Islands Henry Puna have welcomed the completion of phase one in the establishment of a travel bubble between New Zealand and the Cook Island. Negotiations on the text of an ‘Arrangement to Facilitate Quarantine-Free Travel ...
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  • One-stop ‘jobs and training’ shop goes live
    The Government has launched a new online, phone and onsite service to help New Zealanders connect to a range of employment support and products for workers and businesses affected by COVID-19, announced Minister of Education Chris Hipkins and Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni. Connected.govt.nz is a one-stop-shop for jobseekers, ...
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    5 days ago
  • MSD security guards to be paid Living Wage
    Security guards contracted to the Ministry of Social Development will be paid at least the Living Wage from next month supporting the Government’s commitment towards fair pay and employment conditions, announced Minister for  Social Development Carmel Sepuloni.   “MSD was  among the first government agencies to pay its employees the living ...
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    5 days ago
  • New strategy to ensure nature thrives
    The Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage today launched Te Mana o te Taiao, the Aotearoa New Zealand Biodiversity Strategy - a way forward that envisions Aotearoa New Zealand as a place where ecosystems are healthy and resilient, and people embrace the natural world. “Many of New Zealand’s plants and wildlife species ...
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    5 days ago
  • Provider Languages Fund will support Pacific Wellbeing approach
    “Pacific languages, cultures and identity are essential to the health, wellbeing and lifetime success of our Pacific peoples and their communities in Aotearoa. The strength and resilience of Pacific Aotearoa is not only vital to their own prosperity but integral to the prosperity of all New Zealanders, and is particularly ...
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  • COVID-19: More funding for schools and boost to construction sector
    ·       $38 million to help schools cover unexpected costs related to COVID-19 ·       $69 million upgrade for online learning ·       $107 million contingency funding to support school construction suppliers facing additional costs due to the lockdown. The Government is releasing $214 million from the COVID-19 response and recovery fund to ...
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    5 days ago
  • Stay safe on the tracks – Rail Safety Week
    Despite the Government installing safety upgrades around the country, people should still take care around rail crossings, said Transport Minister Phil Twyford launching Rail Safety Week. Phil Twyford said installing safety infrastructure is crucial, but we are encouraging people to be more careful around trains too. “We’re making good progress ...
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  • Government backs Manawatū social housing project
    The Government is providing a cash injection to help Palmerston North City Council complete a programme to provide 78 social housing units for vulnerable tenants. The $4.7 million to build 28 units in the Papaioea Place redevelopment comes from the $3 billion set aside for infrastructure in the Government’s COVID-19 ...
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    5 days ago
  • Major funding boost for Predator Free Banks Peninsula
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    6 days ago
  • Major investment for indoor sports in Hawke’s Bay
    A Government grant of $6.4 million will expand the Pettigrew Arena in Taradale with new indoor courts of national standard. “The project is likely to take 18 months with approximately 300 people employed through the process,” Grant Robertson said. “The expansion will increase the indoor court space up to 11 ...
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    6 days ago
  • New infrastructure for Far North tourist town
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    7 days ago
  • Government remains committed to Women’s Cricket World Cup
    The Government has re-affirmed its commitment to supporting the hosting of the ICC Women’s Cricket World Cup, which the ICC has delayed from 2021 to 2022. “This is obviously a disappointing decision for cricket players and fans around the world and for the White Ferns and their supporters here at ...
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    7 days ago
  • Green light for Te Awa River Ride in $220m nationwide cycleways investment
    Cyclists and walkers will now have a safer way to get around Taupō, Tūrangi, and between Hamilton and Cambridge, with funding for shared paths and Te Awa River Ride, Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter announced today. “The Te Awa River Ride is the latest part of massive growth ...
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    7 days ago
  • Six major ‘shovel-ready’ cycleways funded in Christchurch
    Six major cycle routes will be completed in Christchurch thanks to funding from the Government’s investment in shovel-ready infrastructure as part of the COVID-19 recovery Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter announced today. $125 million will be invested to kick-start construction and fund the completion of the following cycleway ...
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    7 days ago
  • New Police facilities for Whanganui
    Plans are underway for a brand new state-of-the-art hub for Whanganui’s justice and social agencies, following confirmation the ageing Whanganui Central Police Station is to be replaced. Police Minister Stuart Nash has announced $25 million in new infrastructure spending to improve facilities for the wider community, and for staff who ...
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    7 days ago
  • Relativity adjustment for Waikato-Tainui and Ngāi Tahu
    An adjustment payment has been made to Waikato-Tainui and Ngāi Tahu under the relativity mechanisms in their 1995 and 1997 Treaty of Waitangi settlements, Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Andrew Little announced today. The latest payments to Waikato-Tainui and Ngāi Tahu are $2,700,000 and $2,600,000 respectively to ensure the ...
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    1 week ago
  • Auckland rail upgrades pick up steam
    Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Transport Minister Phil Twyford today kicked off the start of the Auckland NZ Upgrade Programme rail projects which will support over 400 jobs and help unlock our biggest city. Both ministers marked the start of enabling works on the third main rail line project ...
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    1 week ago
  • PGF support for Wairoa creates jobs
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    1 week ago
  • Public and Māori housing to trial renewable energy technology
    Tenants in public and Māori housing may be benefiting from their own affordable renewable energy in future – a fund to trial renewable energy technology for public and Māori housing has today been announced by Energy and Resources Minister Megan Woods and Associate Minister for Housing (Māori Housing) Nanaia Mahuta. ...
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    1 week ago
  • $2.7m for Hokianga infrastructure
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    1 week ago
  • New fund to support housing and construction sector
    A $350 million Residential Development Response Fund is being established to support the residential construction sector and to minimise the economic impact from COVID-19, the Housing Minister Dr Megan Woods has announced. “The Residential Development Response Fund will help to progress stalled or at-risk developments that support our broader housing ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government investment to boost Auckland’s community recycling network
    As part of a broader plan to divert waste from landfill, the Government today announced $10.67 million for new infrastructure as part of the Resource Recovery Network across the Auckland region. “This key investment in Auckland’s community recycling network is part of the Government’s Infrastructure Reference Group ‘shovel ready’ projects ...
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    1 week ago
  • Te Papa transformation starts at Cameron Road
    The Government is investing $45 million in the first stage of an ambitious urban development project for Tauranga that will employ up to 250 people and help the region grow, Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says the funding has been allocated out of the $3 billion ...
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    1 week ago
  • PGF supports Hawke’s Bay community and environmental projects
    The Government is investing more than $1.6 million from the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) for a wide range of community and environmental projects in Hawke’s Bay, Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau announced today. These announcements today are part of the Government’s commitment to supporting regional economies in the ...
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    1 week ago
  • Low-emissions options for heavy transport a step closer
    Getting low-emission trucks on the road is a step closer with investment in infrastructure to support hydrogen vehicles, the Energy and Resources Minister Megan Woods has announced. The Infrastructure Reference Group has provisionally approved $20 million for New Plymouth company Hiringa Energy to establish a nationwide network of hydrogen-fuelling stations. ...
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    1 week ago