PM announces plan to tackle graffiti

Written By: - Date published: 11:21 am, February 15th, 2008 - 25 comments
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Helen Clark has just announced a range of measures aimed at cutting down on graffiti vandalism.

Presumably the initiative will be supported by the Nats.

Who knows about the Free Speech Coalition though – their position on free speech seems remarkably dependent on who’s doing the speaking.

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(From yesterday’s Southland Times)

25 comments on “PM announces plan to tackle graffiti”

  1. Damn! I’m in Invercargill next week and that particular piece of graffiti was on my schedule. Great minds think alike I guess…

  2. Sam Dixon 2

    Are you taking the hookers down to Shads now, ‘sod? Instead of him flying up to Auckland to them?

  3. Nah bro, it’s blow this time…

  4. Santi 4

    Apparently they saw someone in a Labour Party t-shirt running away from the scene immediately after the graffiti was discovered.

    Ah, the joy of freedom of speech!

  5. insider 5

    Good to see HC giving priority to one of the most significant issues facing our country at present.

  6. Matthew Pilott 6

    Yeah Santi, and when I go out to commit crimes, I wear a t-shirt with my name and address on it.

    Good call insider, something that costs several hundred million a year – best swept under the carpet. In case the rock you hide under doesn’t have broadband, there have been the odd policies about school and housing lately, so go have a cry over there, there’s a good dog.

    Ah, the joy of mocking idiots.

    Anyway this whole plan is a crock of shit – the Free Market will decide how much graffiti we need won’t it?

  7. insider 7

    Matthew

    Funny how tagging has been around for years (thousands if you want to be pedantic) but now it is election time that the crocodile tears spout forth and it is a major priority.

    I challenge your hundreds of millions cost. If it cost $100 an incident to deal with that would be 2700 incidents per day per $100 million. That is highly unlikely. And gioven you said it is several hundred million, it is even less likely.

  8. Matthew Pilott 8

    It’s election year, but given the homicide in ‘church it has become far higher profile lately – but I agree, the ban on spraypaint should have happened a long time ago. Honestly, is there anyone out there who uses the stuff legitimately?

    And that’s a serious question. I know it’s used in construction and road works, and the odd real artist uses it, but I’d guess 90% ends up as KILLA G 4da HOODZ and so on 😛

    I meant to write either hundreds of thousands, or millions, and eventually decided on a compromise, evidently 🙂 One that was well wrong.

    NZHerald gives a figure of $3 million for Auckland-Manakau combined, which has got to be the lion’s share of the costs. I think there’s another one or two mil down here in ’04 (Wellington), not to mention the Police time.

    If it costs six million in the short term (that was the cost of the new programmes combined) and saves that over a few years, the idea will have been worth it – if somewhat overdue.

    But as I always say – the electorate can have a short memory, so don’t be surprised when such positive action is taken in election year – it’s a very systemic problem.

  9. insider 9

    MAtthew

    You should see the grafitti at Pompeii. Some of it dates back to Roman times. Talk about systemic! (Speaking of things Roman – and no I am not channelling DPF – if you haven’t watched Rome, you should just for the opening credits. Stunning art work created and a lot of funny stuff for us Classics students.)

    What Clark missed is an opportunity to start targeting those niggly little antisocial things that really get on decent tax payers tits. Tagging is only one. I think she could have positioned it as part of a determined strategy to focus on dealing with those ‘gateway’ offences that can provide either entry into lawlessness or personal danger (as has been demonstrated recently).

    Captcha – yesterday Scolding

  10. Steve Pierson 10

    insider. not to be picky, but considering Pompeii was covered by the volcanic explosion in roman times, it’s not surprising that’s when the graffiti there comes from.

    Apperently, there’s some bishop’s tome in England that is covered in graffiti carvings in old english, walsh, latin. that’s pretty cool.

  11. Matthew Pilott 11

    Insider – I’d hope a good education policy would do that instead of taking the crime and punishment view. The idea of apprenticeships, vocational training and so on could do more to cut juvenile crime than any punishment regime will.

    What have you got in mind though? I’m instinctively against broad sweeps against percieved or real minor crime problems. Just upping the punishment doesn’t work, history has shown.

    With tagging, it’s specific, and there are specific solutions that can be augmented as the PM has done.

  12. Uroskin 12

    We could just stab the taggers. Talkback radio would appreciate a real National policy like that.

  13. Uroskin 13

    Oh, and regards “Rome”, loved how the boyz in da hood dealt with rivals. None of that namby pamby tagging on each others’ patch, but head down the toilet and a good rogering up the a*** instead. Those were the days when joining a gang was fun. Can’t remember learning about that in Latin lessons though. A classical education is still recommended.

  14. insider 14

    MAtthew

    I think the first thing is for the police to take such offences seriously and act on them – there can be a fine line with harassment I accept. That does not mean harsher penalties – diversion and a good talking too is a great tool.

    But it means investigating and following up those incidents and being seen to do so, rather than just filling in a form. Consequences is another. I would like to see those doing the offences wearing the full cost of any repairs/clean up so that they feel the impact of what they have done. Often these things are done not out of spite but out of thoughtlessness. You don;t want to kill kids spirit but they also need to learn about their impact on their neighbours.

    Steve

    The point was, the Romans tagged their buildings too meaning it’s not a new issue.

    Captcha – green direst (take that frogblog)

  15. NEWSFLASH

    John Key has defied the critics and released TWO of his party’s policies. Mr Key announced today that National will do the same, but fine taggers $2001

  16. Matthew Pilott 16

    Insider – it’s then a resourcing problem – the 1000 NewCops will help, but it seems in every modern society such crimes are all too infrequently investigated, and reported for insurance purposes only.

    Give ’em all pink jumpsuits to wear when they’re cleaning their mess up too, while I’m at it.

    So, (big philospohical question to contemplate over a beer) if I were to tag today, in Latin, would it be art or a crime?

    And don’t ask Turia.

  17. The Double Standard 17

    I wonder where the poor taggers are going get $2000 from – will they apply for a special grant from social welfare?

    After all, fines are so ineffective against boy racers that they are now being replaced…

    Large fines were also ignored until they were wiped by the courts because young people could not pay them.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4332997a6427.html

    Still I suppose they have to be seen to be doing something in election year.

  18. Matthew Pilott 18

    That’s better TDS – linking a story to the topic!

    Fortunately, like boy racing, people can be made to suffer other punishments. In this case, it’s cleaning the mess up in a rather public fashion and so on, and with boy racers, tehy can lose their cars much more easily now than they did a few years back.

    There’s also a ban on spraypaint, which may or may not be effective, so it’s a bit more than being “seen to be doing something in election year”

    See, this is how most people post on blogs – they say something relevant, which may or may not be refuted, to which another relevant reply may be posted.

    [lprent: Good to hear. I was considering contributing against tagging myself.]

  19. Matthew Pilott 19

    lprent – I hadn’t picked you for a vigilante 🙂

    [lprent: I scan this stuff looking for behaviour that might attract my attention. I’m developing a sympathy for the ‘Bastard Operator From Hell’ – thanks to rOb for reminding me about lusers]

  20. shadders 20

    Meanwhile, in Invers, chinless secretive sectarians have been seen furtively hiding their lack of chin behind scarves (why didn’t they paint it over – it was there for a week, or was nobody looking at the idiotic billboard?)

  21. The Double Standard 21

    Presumably the initiative will be supported by the Nats.

    Well, maybe, although it is odd that Hawkin’s private members bill from 1985 restricting spray paint sales to 18 wasn’t supported well by Teh Party.

    They may have a few problems with support from the left though, with both Turia

    “Harsher penalties no cure for tagging”

    and Tanczos

    “The Prime Minister’s anti-tagging stance is just more scapegoating. Anyone would think that spray cans are the most dangerous devices in the country”

    Also, it is interesting that Hawkins’ members bill on this same basic topic has been around since 2005, and didn’t exactly get a glowing endorsement from the select committee

    Although we do not believe that this bill is the right solution..

    Obvious, Benson-Pope, Burton, Hobbs, and Mackay weren’t so keep on the policy in 2006. I wonder why they changed their minds?

    And the MOJ found that the bill breached the bill of rights in two ways.

    Sadly it looks like Teh Party doesn’t have much respect for rights these days.

  22. Shucks no TDS – that’s why they’ve decided to disappear you in the middle of the night, oh hold on they haven’t – I guess this isn’t Nth Korea after all.

    If you want no respect for rights bro then I suggest you look across the chamber. Oh the stories I could tell you, you young National research whippersnapper…

  23. r0b 23

    I’m developing a sympathy for the ‘Bastard Operator From Hell’ – thanks to rOb for reminding me about lusers

    BOFH! That sure takes me back…

  24. dave 24

    Obviously Labour supporters from the NCEA school did this tagging. Exclusive has a capital E. At least we know it wasnt Chris Carter. He spells Esclusive “Exulcive”.
    We know it wasnt Robinsod. “Brethren” is spelled correctly. It wasn`t Tane – as ” bro” is not there.
    Perhaps it was David Benson Pope. Perhaps he tagged out the word “Kinx” on the bin as well.

  25. Hey steady on, I’ve can’t recall ever having spelled brethren wrong. I see you’ve misspelled “exclusive” though. Glass houses bro, glass houses…

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    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
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  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
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  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
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  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
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  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
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    RedlineBy Admin
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  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
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  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
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  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago

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