Pragmatism and the limits of patience

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1. anarcho 1

   13 April 2011 at 10:00 am

   well said, and yes, we have been patient for long enough.
   • Tigger 1.1

     13 April 2011 at 10:09 am

     To be fair, some of us haven’t been patient at all – we’ve been mad as hell and doing our best to let everyone know how immoral this government is.
     • Jim Nald 1.1.1

       13 April 2011 at 10:23 am

       From the trustworthy mouth of Double Dipton, ‘pragmatism’ is a word to be used cynically to conceal his superb ability at mismanaging the country’s economy and finances 🙂
2. prism 2

   13 April 2011 at 10:04 am

   Great art!  And so graphically expressive of our situation.
   Where do you get your pics I wonder.  Is there a special pics person who sources the perfect one?
   • Jim Nald 2.1

     13 April 2011 at 10:27 am

     Ahem. There’s a female version as well (and I’m not talking about Collins, Tolley or Benefitformeandnotforyou). You can google for it: Jeanneke Pis
   • r0b 2.2

     13 April 2011 at 10:30 am

     There isn’t that level of organisation “behind the curtain” believe me!  We all source our own pics, I just use google images.  

     Of course, it helps to know what you’re looking for.  That statue (Mannequin Pis) is one I’ve seen “in the flesh” (so to speak), and it often comes to mind when I contemplate the way the Nats treat NZ.
     • Jim Nald 2.2.1

       13 April 2011 at 10:55 am

       Good Pis take.

       I saw both Mannequin and Jeanneke. I have a fridge magnet of the former.
        
       Any chance of photoshopping a contemporary Kiwi shonkey version?
        
       I might even ask my neighbour’s grandchildren to make a papier-mâché version with a newspaper picture of the Prime Micturate stuck to it.
3. ianmac 3

   13 April 2011 at 10:14 am

   When your job is at risk you are less likely to make a fuss, especially in a climate where unions and union membership is painted as slime.
   • Tigger 3.1

     13 April 2011 at 10:30 am

     Good point, many have been bullied or cajoled into silence – having your say has been painted as troublemaking or, that old chestnut, activism.
   • marsman 3.2

     13 April 2011 at 1:54 pm

     And many have been kept in the dark and or hoodwinked by our Crony Media.
     These NAct toads have been lying, bullshitting and bullying since before the last election and they are still at it. I have nothing but contempt for the self-serving, corrupt liars.
     • Carol 3.2.1

       13 April 2011 at 2:02 pm

       Yes they have failed to hold the government to account on this issue, peddled the Jackson-Warners-Government line on The Hobbitt issue, and endlessly spun lines that assist the governments diversions, distortions and anti-democratic, and anti-worker policies.
        
       And last night on TV3 6pm news, Gower yet again was foregrounding Labour leadership issues, saying a Little faction is unhappy with Goff. Is this how TV3 pays off the government for their unnecessary loan to MediaWorks?
4. Colonial Viper 4

   13 April 2011 at 10:43 am

   Now I’m starting to get pissed off with the performance of the last Labour Government.
    
   Who clearly failed to set expectations amongst the public as to what we deserve as a country and what it means to create and hold on to a robust social democracy. The opportunity was missed to bed in and reinforce these values and the confidence to demand them, in NZ society.
    
   How else can English and his crowd of upward wealth redistributing social engineers get away with this Tory agenda.
5. T 5

   13 April 2011 at 4:31 pm

   I think the apathetic sections of the public will usually take the middle position as a safe bet.  For that, you need two ‘mainstream’ extremes.  NACT give us one extreme.  Labour should be providing the other extreme.  I don’t really see them doing that.
   • Draco T Bastard 5.1

     13 April 2011 at 6:02 pm

     Labour is centre-right and NACT are extreme authoritarian-right. Reality is hard-left.
      
     So, which extremes are you looking for?
     • T 5.1.1

       13 April 2011 at 7:47 pm

       Labour is … NACT are

       What Labour and NACT actually are is irrelevant to my point (because it’s irrelevant to the apathetic sections of the public).  It’s the image the two sides project that matters.  Labour (under Goff) hasn’t planted its flag anywhere, or if it has, it’s too close to National’s flag (trying to out-JohnKey John Key).
       • rosy 5.1.1.1

         13 April 2011 at 8:11 pm

         “…it’s too close to National’s flag”

         Yep.
         • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1.1

           13 April 2011 at 9:34 pm

           Some of us are trying to sort it
           • rosy 5.1.1.1.1.1

             13 April 2011 at 9:40 pm

             I look forward to that. The fear is, of course, that it is too late for this election and the next 3 years will set up another neo-liberal disaster for another generation.
6. deservingpoor 6

   13 April 2011 at 8:01 pm

   I’m beginning to wonder if there really is anything they can do that will make the public turn on them. After all they’re actually campaigning on asset sales. The main reason I hate living in NZ under a NACT government and the reason so many of my friends got the hell out in the 90s is because NACT bring out the worst in people. Kiwis ultimately don’t mind getting screwed over as long as they think someone the don’t like (poor, brown, young, female) is getting screwed over more. It worked like that in the 90s, its the same way now and yes I think Labour blew a 9 year golden opportunity to change it.
   • RedLogix 6.1

     13 April 2011 at 9:11 pm

     Exactly. I’ve believed this for some years.
      
     The problem was not Labour’s alone. The problem in my view is the media in the broadest sense of the word. Everything in the MSM is dumbed down dreck; the dominant themes are oafish red-neckery and selfish gloating. All the dominant voices are either shrill conservatives or sly manipulative smear-jobs on the left.
      
     The whole idea IS to bring out the worst in people, so they will turn against themselves rather than their masters.

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