Rod Oram on the Brash report

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All the arguments in one handy location – thank you Rod Oram, who in his SSTimes column says:

…All it [the report] can say is: we’re not sure what the problems are or what we can do about them. But much lower taxes, government spending and regulation will do the trick. It offers no evidence or modelling for its lazy conclusion. Instead it devotes, for example, more than 30 pages to regulation, 100 times the space it devotes to human capital and skills.

The taskforce is devoid of new insight or useful new recommendations because its chairman’s skills are so limited. Brash is a very macro economist and, worse, one who is often highly theoretical.

Nonetheless, he and his political colleagues have done us a great service. They have shown they have nothing useful to say to people trying to progress New Zealand. Instead, they have locked themselves in the Isolation Booth and thrown away the key.

I just wish that their arguments were stuck in that isolation booth, never to see the light of day again!

20 comments on “Rod Oram on the Brash report”

  1. Draco T Bastard 1

    Likewise, it makes no attempt to analyse the strategies of Australia’s businesses and government. Yet, we need to know what we’re chasing. Australia plans to be in the top five of the OECD by 2025.

    As a result, the report’s quality of analysis is appallingly low.

    It could be a clever undergraduate’s review of 1980s and 1990s economic literature. But it would get only a D because it is shallow and historic, rather than deep and current. This is particularly evident in the report’s attempt to explain why we are so far behind Australia in GDP per capita terms. It considers 15 factors, ranging from isolation from markets and commodity exports, to regulation and cost of capital. On 14 it decides that the differences between the two countries are immaterial.

    It does acknowledge a big gap on one investment and physical capital stock. It points out that our investment per worker in plant, equipment and technology is way behind. For every $100 invested per worker on average across OECD countries over the past 15 years, Australia spent $120 and we spent $70.

    This is no new insight.

    The IMF told us so seven years ago, this under investment explained almost all the per capita income gap and 75% of the labour productivity gap.

    The reason why were so far behind is because we took the race to the bottom that is the effect of the “free-market” reforms of the 1980s and 90s seriously.

    • Daveski 1.1

      That’s lazy analysis DTB

      The critical issues include:
      1. Britain joining the EEC in the early 1970’s and NZ not being prepared for this especially given our almost total reliance on this market
      2. The oil shocks in the mid 1970s
      3. Muldoon’s failed efforts

      To then blame NZ’s economic performance on what happened in the 1980’s and 90’s is a case of blaming the medicine not the underlying problems.

      However, a couple of areas where we have undoubtedly failed is the area of R&D and education – we don’t encourage our albeit largely small firms to invest in R&D nor do we ensure that the right skills are coming out of our handful of universities.

      • Bored 1.1.1

        You might want to consider that the medicine of the eighties did not cure the affliction, it actually got worse. Which in medical terms might indicate that the either the prescription was wrong, or the patient’s condition so moribund as to make treatment impossible.

        I can state that the Keynesian economics that underpinned the social consensus of the post war years was definitely broken by the end of Muldoon’s time, I remember it well, stagflation, export market problems, rising unemployment etc. Enter Roger and total deregulation, end result no improvement except for those closely associated to the finance sector, and a state sector fire sale that to this day exports resultant capital profits from monopolies, impoverishing us further. Classic failure, from both the Keynesians and the Chicago school.

        To argue for one school of failure versus the other school of failure strikes me as lazy analysis at best, blind faith and ignorance at worst.

        • Daveski 1.1.1.1

          Quite different things bored.

          To blame policies from the 1980s and 1990s to explain why we are so behind Oz ignores the economic and political realities of the 1970’s. We put our eggs (and dairy and wool) in the one basket and paid for it. Muldoon made things worse.

          But you can’t blame the policies of the 1980s and 1990s for what happened in the 1970s.

          • Bored 1.1.1.1.1

            You miss the point, the policies of the 80s and 90s did not improve on matters, they were as dismal a failure as the prior policies, except perhaps in the way they made the rich richer. To me the widening of the income gap between the haves and have nots was the defining characteristic of Chicago school policies, classic drip up economics.

      • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2

        You forgot to mention that the post war boom was collapsing and started to in the 1960s. The problem we had was that we went with policy from the 4th Labour government on that rewarded people for cutting spending. That is an inevitable effect of free-market policies as profit will be cut under competition. To boost falling profit wages, capital investment and R&D were cut forcing us to depend upon out of date technologies and agriculture to try and maintain our living standards. As these couldn’t cope with the demands made of them we borrowed instead.

        To bootstrap ourselves back up we need to stop borrowing and stop selling off our successful businesses and our resources to foreign ownership and start investing in ourselves.

        • Daveski 1.1.2.1

          Actually, the issue of a post war boom ending is a valid point altho with due respect supports my point that the major long term issue has our long standing focus on primary production.

          Brash himself made some valid comments that our size, level of resources etc aren’t an issue.

          • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2.1.1

            The problem I find with the ending of the post war boom is that it seems that no one got around to figuring out why it ended and, IMO, it’s fairly obvious why – it ran out of market. Huge productivity increases, rising wages and everybody got what they wanted. Unfortunately, especially for a market economy, once everyone has what they want they don’t need, or want, to continue shopping and there was no point in exporting because all the markets that were available couldn’t afford to pay. At that point, profit declined, loans couldn’t be repaid and the Keynesian aspect of debt fuelled economic policy couldn’t keep the economy going (stagflation).

            The market should have been allowed to slow down, working weeks dropping in hours so that repair and replacement could continue but that couldn’t be allowed to happen because most people live at subsistence level and on time wages so their very livelihoods would have been endangered. There would have been a revolution fairly quickly. On top of that, the wealthy would have lost a lot of money as loans were defaulted upon and, as it’s the wealthy that rule, that couldn’t be allowed to happen.

            We went through a decade of bad economic policy in the 1970s trying to shore up decreasing markets. Then we went into disastrous economic policy by trying to increase the size of the market by the free-market reforms 1980s by competing with countries that were poorer than us.

            Brash himself made some valid comments that our size, level of resources etc aren’t an issue.

            They are and aren’t. We have the resources needed to support ourselves but we’re to far away to compete effectively in the markets that we want to export to. On top of that, we’re sending a lot of the profits from the resources that we do use to foreign capital because we sold all the good stuff.

            • Zaphod Beeblebrox 1.1.2.1.1.1

              Why did the post-war boom end?

              How about lower govt spending in the US , UK and elsewhere, lower govt investment and increasing income disparities that began in the 1980s.

              The middle classes invest in consumer goods, services and manufactured products whereas the upper classes use the benefits of lower taxes to speculate on the share market, property and holidays which does little to encourage employment and so reduces the wages of the working and middle classes further.

              In the US especially decreasing levels of education (and increasing ghettoisation of the inner cities) contributed to rsising crime as well as lower national productivity.

              • Draco T Bastard

                No amount of government spending can maintain a market that is already saturated.

              • Quoth the Raven

                Zaphod – The post war boom ended in the early 1970s not the eighties. US government spending kept on increasing post war until the 90s not the eighties. Government spending actually rose under Reagan. Here’s a graph.

              • Bored

                Theres also a few extraneous issues that played to exascerbate the end of the post war boom. One primary factor was the cost of the Vietnam war and the resultant move by Nixon to break the international currency arrangements with a floating exchange rate. The merits can be argued but for small countries this has usually meant that their currencies become very vulnerable to speculation and exploitation.

              • Zaphod Beeblebrox

                True Quoth Reagan did not cut GDP spending like he said he would (he did cut taxes which had devastating effects on the current account), But what did he spend the money on- creating a new arms race.
                Government spending only helps the economy if it helps reduce social problems (like crime), helps educational outcomes (and worker productivity) and gives the middle class security to invest in educating their children and starting new businesses.
                Investing in the military and arms technology only really helps arms dealers and these living in the vicinity of military bases and arms factories- it does not have any long term benefits for the productive capacity of your economy.
                I see the beginning of the long decline coinciding with the decline of the the welfare state and the state as provider of infrastructure, education and health services This process did begin in the late 1960s when governments in the West started to invest in military technology which as the Cold War reached its peak.
                Meanwhile Japan and Germany did the opposite and started investing in education and technology, which coincided with the rise of their economies. Later the Scandinavian countries followed their lead.

        • prism 1.1.2.2

          DTB – Investing in ourselves. I thought that government was positive to an idea that I think Jim Anderton had about having venture capital funds to buy NZ businesses and keep them locally owned and here. That’s very roundabout but I haven’t heard much about it in recent times. I think one fund was to be called the Greenstone fund. Does anyone know what happened to this idea?

          Seems a good one. We could perhaps buy government bonds from central government suitable for ordinary citizens, or have local authority bonds that could help with infrastructure. I still like the idea of channelling some gst to the area where it was paid for this purpose.

  2. I disagree that such views should be “stuck in an isolation booth, never to see the light of day again”.

    While I totally disagree with the taskforce report, I think it is better for such views to be out in public so that they can be debated and discredited. I also think it is useful for the public to see what the agenda of the right is in this country and why it is so wrong on so many levels.

    I would like to see some compentators attack the whole concept of “closing the gap with Australia” though. Why has that become the measure against which we judge our success or failure?

    • r0b 2.1

      I would like to see some compentators attack the whole concept of “closing the gap with Australia’ though.

      Yes but not yet! National lived by that particular sword. Let them die by it. Then we can put it away.

    • Nick 2.2

      Because countries compete for people. It’s that simple. If all our people go to Australia we have no tax revenue; and therefore no public health, no public education and no nothing.

      Of course we can encourage immigration to stop the loss – you know Somali refugees and Iraqi taxi drivers.

      • felix 2.2.1

        Can you please go back to the other thread and reply to my question before you get banned for where you’ll inevitably take this one?

      • snoozer 2.2.2

        That Aussie report last week showed that it’s people from low skill jobs that go to aussie. If we want to keep them, we need to increase wages at the bottom end, not cut taxes at the top.

      • prism 2.2.3

        Somali and Iraqi would probably work just as hard as NZs, harder even. Not all Somalis will go over the top and attack someone. The woman who did that well you don’t know if she saw her parents murdered at age 5 and was raped at age 8 etc. I was just reading about Russians who managed to escape the great death and men became chauffeurs though they were better trained, linguists etc.

        NZs have been going over to Oz for ages and nothing will stop them except closed borders. The opportunities will always seem better over there because they have a bigger population. They would have the same opportunities per 1000 people as we do but there are just more people. Also our highly trained people can’t always get jobs to use their expertise, or companies are not willing to offer decent pay or permanent tenure.

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    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
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    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
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    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
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    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
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  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
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  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
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  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
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  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
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    The CivilianBy admin
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  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
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    The CivilianBy admin
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  • The coming resource war.
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    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
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  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • BORA reform is stalled
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
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    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago

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